Did We Push Our Upgraded Turbo 460 BBF TOO FAR on the Dyno?!?! - Engine Power S11, E1
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Pat and Frankie upgrade some internal components to make our blue oval beast more durable under boost. When it’s back together we will see what our changes make on the engine dyno, but when we turn up the power on our 460 Big Block Ford, things don’t go as smoothly as they would like!
Follow POWERNATION Everywhere:
www.powernationtv.com
/ powernationtv
/ powernationtv
/ ucqxdmmwjfxlcpq65m-8mbyg
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE
Summit Racing: Summit Racing Performance Connecting Rods
pntv.us/pn_pt_23366_65830f35e...
Summit Racing: Cometic MLS Head Gaskets
pntv.us/pn_pt_23374_65831d88d...
Summit Racing: COMP Cams Keyway Adjustable Billet Timing Set
pntv.us/pn_pt_23371_65831c414...
Summit Racing: ICON Premium Forged Pistons
pntv.us/pn_pt_23367_65830f5b2...
Summit Racing: Milodon 4x4 Truck & Off-Road Oil Pan
pntv.us/pn_pt_23372_65831d468...
Summit Racing: Milodon Oil Pump Pickup
pntv.us/pn_pt_23373_65831d602...
Summit Racing: Scorpion Race Series Rocker Arms
pntv.us/pn_pt_23376_65831e291...
ARP: ARP Bolts
Comp Cams: COMP Cams Retro-Fit Hydraulic Roller Lifter Set
Comp Cams: COMP Cams Xtreme Energy Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
CVF Racing: CVF Ford 460 Serpentine System
CWT Industries: CWT Multi-Bal 5500
Edelbrock: Edelbrock Performer RPM Air-Gap Intake Manifold
Holley: Sniper EFI X-Flow 
Авто/Мото
My turbo EFI 460 F250 is currently getting a 6R80 swap but recently made 844whp and well over 1000wtq at 18psi on E85, for anyone interested I have a small RUclips channel with some videos of it 🤙
WOW John! Why are you running so much boost? Thanks.
Sounds wicked ,definitely better than the industrial 460 turbo that put out 160hp @ 1800.
😄
@@robertclymer6948 just for fun 😂 it was my dad's truck, he bought it new and it was used to haul hay/horses. Now it's just a weekend warrior but so much fun to drive!
What ecu are you using to run the efi?
@@randallmason9687 it's a plug and play MS3 ECU made by Stinger Performance, called a pimpxs. It runs fully sequential fuel and spark with LS coils on each plug. The ECU is plug and play with most for EECIV vehicles.
I swear the chemistry with Pat and Frankie is awesome!
Yeah, I’m starting to wonder about those two.
Suspect
This is the pinnacle of entertaining educational shows. The rest of the world should be taking notes from you guys!
You guys are hilarious. Ever since Pat came on years ago, and eventually Frankie, the show has gotten better and better. More jokes. more wit and a not so serious but serious engine building vibe. I'm always super stoked to see what shenanigans you guys are up to and which awesome build is going to be featured. You've set the bar. Keep it up guys!!
P.S: You guys should really broaden your scope. I'm a Ford guy through and through but here's a whole lot of import engine power that you could show as well. The 2J (for a very well known example) is one that no domestic homer can ever say is not powerful/interesting enough for a show like this.
Oh yes. Those two guys are great on the show and make it fun to watch.
Na ford and chevys are good
I would love to see a 1UZFE build.. it's a solid V8 and I would love to see what they could come up with.
No. No foreign shit. MURICA!
Love to see the build that aren’t small/big block Chevy/LS or new gen hemi. They’re over done. Especially love ford 460 stuff👍
Wy mean new gen hemi is overdone? I've been watching for years and have seen maybe 3? New Gen hemi builds.
@@robwebster1098there's plenty of new Gen Hemi videos all over RUclips.
@@erikturner5073 not on powerblock shows
@@robwebster1098 there's other channels on the subject you want. Watch them.
Yep, that's right: Anything you do to a BBC, SBC, RB Mopar of any type, SBM, Buick, Olds, Caddy, Pontiac, none of it matters. If you apply any of the upgrades applied to any American classic-era V8, the BBF wins all horsepower and reliability wars. It's been the elephant in the room since some hungover UAW workers started throwing 460s into Continentals instead of 462s. That was 1967. In 1967, the world has designed the most powerful engine architecture that would still fit in a car. You can get a Marine QC engine which Kaase also likes of course. THAT engine wins ALL engine competitions by architecture. The whole thing never started. Someday I will do a cast on this.
Really!
Its 2024... any 540 BBC will do circles on any Ford BBC 😂😂😂 lol
Have you been drinking or were you dropped on your head. I'm a Ford guy and know what you just said is definitely not reality
Not gonna lie... That was one of the funniest post I've ever read. That level of delusion should be in the Guinness book of world records!
If I wanted a big, strong, reliable, powerful, durable engine I would buy a PSI 8.8L Gen7 BBC for $1,000-1,500 used, work the heads, cam, springs, boost and put a hurting on a Ford 429/460 dollar for dollar.
What I really like about this episode is that it show the Potential of the base level product of summit. Everybody can't afford them high price parts. Go Summit
Life wouldn't be right without engine power show,,,
I did 20 pounds of boost on an identical setup 12 years ago. Never had a problem still going strong today
All fun and games until Rocky chews the plug wires off! We are going to the local U-pull-it today looking for a 460. Going in my uncle's 71 Ford F-100.
Nice to find you here Josh.
Came for the Ford. Stayed for the Activities!
Great show guys. Keep it up
460 has always been sort of a secret usually glossed over.
Ppl just don't know how great that engine is.. They coulda made it a stroker n got way more power out of it..
Awesome! I can’t wait for the next step with this thing. When you guys put a decent set of heads on it, and swap out the little baby cam… 👍🤘👏
Send those heads to MPG for porting, and matching camshaft!
All of your viewers are nerds that love anything with an engine!!! ... thats why I'm watching 😅
@21:19 : Borat quote to close it out. Classic.
Smokey Dyno Disaster? The people who watch this channel don’t require the standard RUclips description lies.
My spam blocker had to block dozens of spam attempts. These weasels aren't too shameless to clickbait.
My spam blocker had to block dozens of spam attempts. These weasels aren't too shameless to clickbait.
lol no sheeeet
😂
But there was a small disaster? And nowhere does it say "smokey dyno disaster" in the title or description
Needs a set of aluminum heads next : )
A pair of p51's
And better headers.
More cam and a single plane.
And a second turbo
I love these shows! I can remember watching these series that were a part of power block that came on on the weekend mornings in the late 90s they were my favorite shows back then being a early teen (12-13) they were a suporting modification to me being a gear head to this day....
Goes to show: one of the best things you can do to a 460 is re-balance it. Most weren’t balanced worth a sh*t from the factory, and many seem to miss they’re both internal and external balanced. Seen/heard of it so many times where someone re-balances one, and OMG! It’s spins past 5500 now! choked at 4500 before 😂
This job has been great for Pat! His health looks good! 👏🏽✊🏽
Is he in bad health?
This show never gets old
I'd love to see this short block with a set of Kasse Boss heads! I bet it would be shocking!😂😅
Still love this show. Keep it up
The new look and shop refresh are awesome!! Torque monster 460!!
Looking forward to the new season!!! Love this show.
The way you two interact with each other, it has me convinced that this has to be some kind of uncle/nephew situation.
You're working on one of my favorite engines to build.....a well-built 460 engine never disappoints a customer. They can be killed by an idiot but, in general, if the guys keeps up with maintenance and watches the revs, these babies will move the load. The heads do not look like fuel-injected heads but must be with some porting. Balancing always makes the revs feel good and live longer.
DEFINITELY EFI HEADS ... Look at the adapters for the intake and valve covers
Awesome first episode of the new season. Keep it up you guys
Tiny cam and the log manifolds are serious restrictions! The manifolds alone are a 50+ horse power waste!
It doesn't matter when running boost. Richard Holdener mentioned this in one of his turbo LS videos. He's ran plenty of stock manifolds on the turbo LS videos.
@@erikturner5073you are 99% right
@@erikturner5073 it does matter when it comes to cylinder back pressure. There's significantly more back pressure in those manifolds that the exhaust stroke has to fight against. Resulting in less horsepower due to higher pumping loss.
@@ScottHBrown yes it does matter on ultra builds when your going above 800hp or so, I'd agree. Average builds below 800hp, it really doesn't matter. No sense in spending money you don't have to. It's like when dudes put big dollar AFR heads on a 302 just to make 400hp, when instead you can reach the same goal with a nice prep set of GT40's, 9.5, or 9.8 compression and a very mild cam.
Nice work guys. One comment , cool to see a 7875 on that thing but it's not nearly enough turbo for an engine that size. Maybe Viren can hook you up with an S480 or 488, something with the 96/88 exhaust wheel. All the comments about better heads is pretty hilarious, won't make a bit of difference with that turbo. But it would be a good experiment to show the merits of a properly sized turbo.
Glad you're back..
that opening was wild lmao
5:36 super awesome part of the engine upgrades
Love ya videos ! Learnt so much watching them ! Built my own clevo 408 .
Love your work hopes this helps the algorithm
Great success
Love these shows!
Perfect tow rig engine!
Very awesome video I would love to see you guys do a build like this with a 427 Tall Deck the TD has forged crankshaft and rods It would be very interesting to see what you can build and add boost to it stock and built
It would be easier to buy a used PSI 8.8L Gen7 BBC industrial engine for $1,000-1,500.
Love this show, love this dynamic duo, they mingle and work well and just have me itching to see what’s there gunna build next and it gets me amped up to start buying parts for my 5.3 swapped 96 Camaro keep at guys much love from Texas 👍🏽🌮🥓 🇺🇸
Love this comment and would like to start a petition with you to name these guys the “dynomic” duo
Y'all are living the dream.
Love the new show 👍
That Intro! 🤣 Nice work overall, dudes. Given the teasers at the beginning coupled with both of you having considerable expertise in engine building, I was suspicious if the smoke was due to an install error, which is doubtful.
Would make a kick ass tow pig!
So awesome 😮 I need this in my bronco
Great video guys, glad y’all are back for another season. Can you do a video explanining more into degreeing the cam, I still don’t totally get that.
The man made patina look, is why that bbf wasn’t happy!!!
LOVE the step brothers reference!
There is no blah blah blah. I drive one everyday. 20lbs of boost from an s475, 100% bone stock shortblock. Trick flow 325 heads and a offy tunnel ram. You boys need to push harder. It's 2024.
A turbo and a tunnel ram? That plumbing must be interesting.
I mean, they had a stock iron heads, small cam, dual plane, only one smaller turbo on a 472ci (0.060" over)BBF, it wouldn't be wise to force the setup too far.
@@JeffKopis I have a lot of videos of it. Pretty cool to see and offy with injector ports and boost.
I’m still wanting and waiting and challenging @EnginePower to build a boosted north star. I suggest the L47 as it was used in lemans
This is a great show nice to see an update.
367 HP & 480 TQ with EFI heads and iron EFI exhaust manifolds is pretty INCREDIBLE
Making all that power @ 3500 is a sweet motor, as most people will be shifting there normally (for manuals). It'll be allot of fun with just regular cruising. Well done.
These with the new 6r80 adapters are insane.
Pound feet of torque still makes me think of Fred Flintstone and the family pounding their feet to get the car moving. I’m a Chrysler performance dyno operator and we didn’t use inch lbs we Foot lbs. to measure torque. I ran so many tests in Ft. lbs I just can’t use to the new words.
Put it on e85 to lower the cylinder temps and add a scooch more timing which should bring it back into more of a boosted setup
Good thing those dyno rollers are close to that door. When a car breaks loose, it can head out the door.
Genuinely enjoy the direction the show is going (and continuing). The antics are nice as well. Pat, Frankie, y’all are great.
Great video ! Where did you get the adapter plates for the new intake? More information on where you get parts please!
Your best 460’s to find are manufactured from 1973-1978 if I’m not mistaken. The 1979-1997 I remember not as good from what I’ve read.
Best show on youtube.
In all the 20+years watching power nation ive never seen a dyno accident.
Happy new year team 🤘🤠👍🏞️🌄☮️
pat and frankie thank goodness the engine didn't blow up, but keep up the good work and continue to bring good projects
At 12:50 into the video and just as the new cam is being inserted into the block, I noticed a opening directly behind the front cam support. It runs from 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock (EST) and appears to be about 1.25 " wide by 2.5 " tall. It seems that a portion
of the top back opening may have been broken off prior to block prepping /finishing or maybe it's just a casting burp. In any event, what purpose does the opening serve? Any explanation would be appreciated.
Thank You,
Sam Davis
Needs alot more horse torques
Great video! Looks like some of the head gasket water holes were plugged with rust. What is going on there? Thanks :)
This is just like watching a Motortrend episode except it's on RUclips... and there's no 5 minute long commercial breaks.
I love this show
What a torque monster, but most bbf are torque monsters
Would love to see them put a Weiand dual carb tunnel ram on that 460 with turbo and watch it eat!!!
EFI is better for turbos
@@SldgeHammr true. They could use dual quad holley efi's or dual blow through carbs. Something to really challenge their skills
@SldgeHammr - EFI is less work to tune than a carb but that doesn't mean it's better.
@@eddiehennig7835 but it does? It allows you to specially control fuel based on boost and/or egt/wideband. You’re not having to change jets to get you close to a proper afr both at idle and at boost. What if your boost pressure changes, or you’re at a different altitude? Computer handles the changes while others are rejetting
@SldgeHammr - EFI is more convenient to tune but it's also more expensive than a blow-through carb for the average guy running a turbo car on the street that isn't changing wastegate springs and tuning all the time. Dyno testing shows engines with EFI vs a properly sized carb are within 3-5hp of eachother so I don't think one is better than the other, just a matter of preference.
Is that stock crank cast or forged? How much boost would y'all say to use for a 1997 F350 DRW tow rig with a 460 for max "safe" torque?
The only bloke on planet earth to carry every pocket tool in one pocket daily 🤙🏼 always been intrigued to know what he has in his top right pocket
He has a hostler pocket too...a true nerddd
nice video, great info.... got a bigger turbo?
Love that mill,and is that the automatic draw bar swap out stuff on it? We had one guy who would always over tighten draw bars and shear the pin right off... Especially when using an end mill, cause the r8 collets will tighten till the pin just lets go, and he always tried to run the feed way too fast and pull the end mill right out of the collet,and blamed the drawbar every focking time...
FYI, the shop is located in the smoky mountains
I love your channel.
Я из России и у нас нет такого чистого помещения для сборки двигателя и после просмотра ваших видео я еще больше полюбил V8 спасибо вам за ваши труды с Уважением из России
Ill come work for you for a few days for that opd intake....
Never thought I would see a blower on a truck only 460 EFI torque head. Not bad for a head that flows 240 CFM maybe. One set only has like a 2.0 intake valve. JS.
What is the purpose behind the Carb to EFI adapter having a long oval slot on one side and two holes on the other?
Why not a divided or open adapter instead?
Thanks in advance.
i like it , now an all aluminium 302 forced induction
Once you have a solid bottom end then the head gaskets become a real issue on them older designed engines unless you O ring it
You need to go live with a balcony gallery for hecklers to throw popcorn.
Needs more cow bell . . . and Pat's suspenders could use some more florescence under the black light. But, yes . . . when's the tour?
Were the spacers between the intake and those EFI heads custom made or did they come with the air gap intake?
Im not a ford guy but couldn't love a modified 460. Remember big foot with the 460 an 2 predator carbs
Hmm, i like the new look
As a ford guy myself, if you watch this video, and still don't get why people are doing ls swaps, then there may be no help for you. Lol
You aint a Ford guy then if you saying this
LS are the trailer court of engines. Bye Felicia.
@@NomadGringo trailer court?
In case that confuses you, they're low budget garbage.... 😂😂😂
@@NomadGringo look, it's okay if you don't understand about engines. But in that case, you should probably just keep your mouth shut. There's a million LS engines on the road that are doing amazing things with major longevity. But if you want to explain how they're garbage please be my guest.
seems like the oem parts be fine all day its not like a lot of turbo engine have forged pistons and its a 460 so 8 psi of boost ios very safe .they are over stating the need for new stuff now rods ill agree with and water injection if one needs to boost more
I am surprised that you decided to go with a Dual Plane intake and that small of a cam. I would generally guess a guy who was running a turbo 472ci BBF would go with a Single Plane intake and a bigger cam. The loss of low rpm tq would be considered acceptable and prefered to nerf cylinder pressure during the TQ spike and then have it pull harder upstairs with the boost and the single plane would likely have better AF distribution cyl to cyl keeping it safer with boost. Any losses down low can always be made up with a little more boost and some E85 and will make even more peak hp.
With those parts 15 psi is easy and you can put more timing in it
Would have liked to have seen the stock heads ports cleaned up would have helped a lot
Are you using 0w20 oil since tolerances are so tight on new engines that only 0w20 will flow?
Needs a better set of heads!
You guys should build a 6.2 detroit diesel
This engine will be great for towing heavy loads and over taking on hills while towing
This is how you know they had to move to the new age RUclipser level to increase views. 😂. Witch is not wrong. I love PowerNation and especially the engine power channel
I need that in my motorhome 😅
Rave Party, LOL!
😂 rave party dance dance 💃