THE OTHER BIG BLOCK-MILD & WILD 460 FORD
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2020
- FULL DYNO RESULTS-MILD & WILD JUNKYARD 460 FORD BUILDS. We Show You How To: (DIY) Mild & Wild Building The Other Big Block. Mild 1968 460 build included 262 cam, pocket-ported stock heads and Weiand aluminum intake with 750 Holley. Wild build included MPG solid flat-tappet cam, fully ported stock heads, single-plane intake and 1050 Dominator carb. Choose Your Other BBF Weapon!
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I worked for a machine shop many years ago and did a lot of port and polishing cylinder heads but one time a set of 69 429 cobra jet heads came to me they had cobra jet cast into the heads. I finished porting out the intake ports beautifully " At that time I was using a hand held die grinder" as C N C was just some bodys dream. I started grinding in the exhaust ports as any ford guy knows the exhaust ports are quite small I tried to enlarge the ports and ended up into the water jacket. My boss was furious. At that time those heads were very scarce. I ended up in some junkyard in duanesburg N.Y I've never been there in my life. I started praying for a miracle, and relieved that miracle when I found a set of 429 4bbl heads in a scrap pile. Miracles do happen. I ended up porting the " new heads on my own time and was careful in the exhaust ports. A lesson that I Learned the hard way. It still amazes me that I found replacement heads. Truthfully an answer to prayer.
Yes Richard please show us the big block Ford strokers. U said u had a set of afr's for the bbf. Put'em to use buddy.
AFR for your BBF
We want more BBF.
Yep. I wanna see a single turbo 460 combo.
@Donald Rowen no I dont care
@Markus Achilles and youre a fake reply. Wtf is this doing on a engine show?
Why?
@@rjmzz430cause we not all LS fan boys😂
One of the most impressive things about this channel is the incredible record keeping. These tests have obviously been done over many years, and Richard can not only find the files, he remembers what they did. Remarkable
I spent lots of time organizing the dyno runs and photos-so even an idiot like me can find them
Great job!
@@richardholdener1727 You also remembered the sound with the impeccable rendition of it on the dyno!
@@richardholdener1727 would love to see how much power the sbe and stock heads with a big turbo at 6k rpm. Or even nitrous 150+
Rule #1 never believe you can memorize all the specs...if caught doing this around the pros you will be fired
The ford 460 is the best ford for power potential that’s overlooked
The amount of cubic inches from a stroker is incredible
The 400M is overlooked a lot too, until whoever discovers it realizes its the worktruck big brother of the Cleveland 😎
LF X yeah buddy that attempt to get people to not shit on v6 mustangs failed
THANKS, Rich....
Are you open to suggestions?
How about a 'Bossed' Kaase 460 based 557 with Kaase top end?
The 'free-no Chebby' world Would like to NO!!!
BRIAN.
@@jessedeeton7434 The Modified small block deserves more love. As a typical 1970's block, it didn't always have the nickel content of earlier blocks, but a 400 cid Cleveland, geez that should send mice running. It had a big block bolt pattern, but there were a few C4 transmissions with that pattern, too.
But then, the 351 Windsor also got ignored until the 1980's.
Loved this episode of (the other guys) blue oval builds to the front. Yes to more 460 builds!!
Been watching three or four of these Ford vids now. Time to take a long bath and hug my BBC. I feel so dirty...
Please bring on the big power bbf
Yes more Ford please best videos yet
Thanks for the BBF video
You bet
I second that!
Finally, the real big block. Lol
Hah! got em
Yup!
Lies
460 is better in more ways then the 454 is
Is there a big block other than the 429/460?
DEFINITELY bring on more of the BBF tech - I suspect that the 30,000 mile $200 '97 BBF that we picked up for my nephew's Fox body will end up looking pretty similar to one of your big power combos(and we plan on adding a giant single turbo in the future); it's almost too easy with these monsters!
Such an underappreciated engine, with just absurd amounts of potential...
Too heavy...
Flat tappet cam, cast iron heads and over 600 HP. Imagine a good solid roller and some good Aluminum heads. 600 HP is just the beginning.
Imagine modern efi and two snails
Imagine being someone that knows EFI is only better in a daily driving aspect.
@@jamesharris5232 Yes, because that guy would have to imaginary....
James Harris ummmmm
The Horsepower guys built a 460 using newer stuff plus punched and stroked it to I think 525ci. If I remember it ran 800+ HP and then with a 100 shot over 1000.
Ole 460 ain't no slouch boys don't underestimate them.
Love the 385 series big block Ford and the FE series!
@Joey Balas debateable. there is no best.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 really as de boss is da boss as is the last of its kind ..so if you think this is debatable , you can only be refering to all before that came apart . Blown engines cannot win! But at ford racing built the BOSS to win as it still does today ..just like when henry told everyone at ford that ford wins LeMans in sixty six ..and Carroll Shelby said alright just give me the money and i'll make it happen .. So is history
Oh yea shall we talk about what happened at NASCAR and the misunderstanding with Roush/Yates? Seems at one time Roush/Yates were 60 horsepower above everything else on the track due to their cylinder heads on the BOSS 351 that is NOT debatable at all as chevy fan boys were not only butt hurt but butt fucked ! And just like the hemi story NASCAR told Roush/Yates to take their tricked out heads home or give them to everybody ! And that is why you chevy fan boys have staggered valve arrangement allowing much bigger intake and exhaust of the small block chevy called the "LS" as all you chevy fan boys ranting and raving and claim ford sucks ...is why your LS sucks way more air than a Zora arkus-duntov small block ever did proven beyond all doubts on the big banks 4 wide where they claim they see elvis in turn four
I've found the FE engines have a love'm or hate'm following. Everyone I've ever spoke with was either a die hard FE guy or they would never touch one! Can't say I've ever met a Ford guy that didn't have a bias one way or the other! I prefer using the 460 for my big block needs.
I grew up around FE series Fords. Dad had a ‘67 pickup with a 352 and a ‘66 wagon with a 390 that proved to be very durable engines. Although they did have the performance of a small block Chevys of the same era, the FE big blocks were much better suited and lasted much longer in a truck application. The only 385 series engine that I had any dealing with belonged to a friend in high school. He had a ‘69 Thunderbird with a 429. That was an awesome engine!
The 460 Ford is the monster Cleveland
RICHARD, YOU DA MANNN! THANKS FOR A GREAT VIDEO.
I like how you do dyno runs starting at bone stock and doing a run after each change watching the power step up. It would be good to see the Kease heads on that 460. Stoker kits, too. When I am on RUclips, I always look for your videos.. Keep it up..👍
557 Kasse heads
Add turbos
I like these built up junk yard engines. Love to see some 403 425 or 455 olds stuff at some point
When I was dead broke, I raced a '71 Cutlass with a custom 403 running a 330 steel crank, 40 over 460 Ford forged flat top pistons, and Olds 5.7" diesel rods. Also running 455 F heads (mildly ported) with W30 specs and a sheet metal tunnel ram intake. I worked in an engine machine shop grinding cranks back then and used to come up with some really creative combos.
403s are neat cause they have a big bore and short stroke, with the 455 heads tend to rev good. Darn windowed mains tho
How about an Olds 350 diesel with a .250 bore and a 425 crank with cut down counter weights. I did this in that late 80's and put my Omega in the low 11's with a 125 shot.
I loves me a tall deck Olds with that boat in the water idle. But the factory oiling set up is just a hot brown steamer. My pick would be to replicate a ram rod short deck with good heads and an intake and see what that stock cam does when it is allowed to flow air.
dude yes. i looove 403 olds motors.
Thanks for the Ford and Chrysler big block content. I like seeing different information.
I love ford BBs they make great heavy boat anchors.
Your engine sounds had me laughing especially the one of it shifting gears on the Dyno
I missed a shift
@@richardholdener1727 It happens. Especially under the pressure of getting a good dyno run in.
Definitely the best motor sounds I was rollin lol
😂😂😂
WAAAAA .. LOL Crack me up every time !! you're a mad genius Richard !
A friend of mine won a 460 from Hot Rod, and he. put it in a 70 1/2 Falcon and it made 600plus hp and ran it at Bonneville. It was excellent!
Thanks for doing the Ford blue oval today
If u have done more testing on the 460.... we DEFINITELY wanna see it!
I'm admittedly one of those guys who assumes Chevy when you say big block. But... this early 460 really surprised me, even stock. Nice power, nice build Richard!
I have a 1970 460 in my 73 Continental. The 10.5 compression ratio (over the stock 8.5 compression from the 1973 engine that was smogged down) the factory engine would run about 76 mph in the quarter consistently (never went to the track to get a time slip just a quite industrial street where my buddies and me measured a quarter mile), just swapping to the 1970 engine and setting the timing by ear the car would pull 88 MPH... Pretty quick for a 5500lb car that rides like a sofa. Then I did dual 2.5 exhuast with a cross over and it went to 90MPH, swapped to an edelbrock 1411 carb over the FoMoCo carb and got 92 mph then my buddy tuned the carb on his dyno and I got about 94 MPH, next was a simple pertronix and that gave me another 1 mile per hour. Now I am going to go to the next level without rebuilding it (hence why I watched the video) and that will be a cam swap and a port match head job to match the gaskets on the stock intake and head and I am thinking traction might start becoming a problem so far it hasn't been on a good surface from all the weight transfer but the hubcaped 235 thin white wall tires I would imagine are getting close to turning into asphalt crayons lol... So I think a factory limited slip with 3.23 gears might also be in the near future over the 2.73 open diff that's in it now.
The worst thing about the car is in the 21 years I have owned it I drive the hell out of it here in so Cal, it really is a nice driving boat of a car that stops well (for the era of car) and is comfortable for road trips to vegas or the beach) it gets 10.5 MPG now and from the factory it was about 12mpg and now it runs on premium where it used to run on regular. Oh and it wants to run warm now in traffic and that's with the AC off so I was also thinking of hiding a pusher fan that is thermostaticly controlled but I would imagine that when the cam wakes it up a bit it will even be worse for heat. That car's engine compartment looks huge but that 460 takes almost every inch of it with all the accessories bolted to it and vacuum canisters on the fender Wells.
I'm very familiar with the 429/460 and the stock numbers didn't surprise me, but the fact that MPG managed to get 600 hp out of a set of iron heads on a flat tappet cam 😮 That's incredible. The exhaust ports on big block Fords absolutely suck from the factory compared to the intake side, so I'm surprised it could pull it off. That being said I would love to see what a set of AFR heads would do on this engine with no other changes!
I love my sbc in my 1976 El Camino and my 460 in my 1958 Ford tow truck :)
@@SuperchargedSupercharged swap them. That el Camino will really Cary the mail. lol
I know this is an older video but I just found your channel. Great information!! I will be binging.
Welcome!
I like BBF's. They make great power.
Big fan of ford’s 385 series big block lots of potential
I just came across this now, so keep that in mind lol. I'm a Ford guy all the way, just preference lol. Instead of the 460cid, I built a 429cid, the reason being just faster spool up of the rotating assembly. My built is really close to the last parts you guys used, the motor was balanced and blueprinted, crower custom grind camshaft, ported and polished heads, msd distributor with a Jacob's ignition. I did this built 2002, still run it in my 72 Mustang Grande with zero issues. The car was different story, welded subframe connectors and adjustable Monty Carlo bar set under the hood. 4:11 gears with a mildly built C6. It's a reliable fun car. I still like the idea of the 429cid, I think people overlook this motor altogether.
the 429 is a good motor
Love the blue oval.
Have I mentioned that you are my hero? That 56 F100 I mentioned in another of your videos that came with an M series engine... Well I also bought a 460 to swap into it. Thank you again...so many options.
Love the Ford stuff!
Omg i love this guy... BBF for the win💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Hmmmm hunting the junk yard for American V-8s, porting production iron heads, solid lifter cams, MPG involved, (and its hard to get him involved in anything) I think I like your video series A LOT!
I definitely want more 460 content
Hello Richard thankyou so much for all the awesome videos its really nice to see that you give every engine attention thank you again
Junk yard special effects, LOL! LOVE IT!
that's all I can afford
@@richardholdener1727 🤘🤣🤘
Hell yeah. Respect for big block fords. Do a 500+ cubic inch stroker kit, a badass roller cam and set of aluminum heads from trick flow or Jon Kaase and push it past 700hp.
A 514 with a solid roller and 11:1 on a 200 shot is a smile everytime
I have no idea why, I've never owned or had anything to do with a 460 but I love them! Can't wait to see the next step!
What an eye opener. Glad I saw this and thought about changing up the cam and intake on my 460 out of an old RV. Im putting it in my 79 F-350 4x4 with 410 gears. The Torque is what I need most for hulling my truck camper and now plan on only porting and headers. The RPMs on the highway at 70mph is 3000, so there really isn't any need for many mods from stock if it will heart torque. Thanks!
Wow I'm same situation 460 in RV banks power and headers cam and heads. Fun times. Gotta find a ford truck or car now. My 40!,ft RV flies on hiway I do 100 mph no prob. Torque monster. 460 are real gems. Good luck thanks for share.
Love the big block 460 I'm a Ford guy
Im a ford man so I love it.
I have a 460 that was professionally built 15 years ago by Roush mechanics and never started. I would love to ship it to you to see what it does.
Thank you Richard. I've been binge watching your videos. I've enjoyed the LS stuff, but it sure is nice to see some other motors. I worked in speed shops most of my life and one thing I have learned. That air and fuel can't read the name on the valve cover! The sound effects are a nice touch too.
Sweet! A different big block! Awesome video! The 403 and 455 olds were good too... Everyone used to make a big block.
They all still do.. Chevy 427 , 454, 502, 572. Ford has one over 600 cu. In. But they wont say if it will stay together .. There is some of over 500 cu . In. That are reliable .... There is a machine shop in Indy called Indy Heads who cast brand new all aluminum Hemis and 440's and sponsor an all Mopar day at Indianapolis home of NHRA Lucas Oil Raceway
Cool man can't wait to see the next video!!!!!!! Love the 385 Ford stuff.
Big Bang 460!!
I’ve always loved 460’s, they’re definitely the under appreciated Big Block. I would like to see an endurance/power test, working and going to the local drag track I’ve always heard stories and seen cars with basically stock block/bottom end making 1200-1500 HP and have always been told that it’s one of the stoutest big blocks with its larger size and larger displacement capability in comparison to a 454 Chev.
I’ve loved this “other guys” series thanks!
YES we need more Ford Big Block testing and fun!!
MORE POWER, MORE POWER, MORE POWER, MORE POWER, MORE POWER
I always look forward to your videos, from unleashing boost, wild to mild cams, and just showing how to make easy power with proven mods! This channel is a game changer for engine testing and performance no matter what engine you got on that dyno you show what works without trying to sell people on parts and eye candy!
I want all of em Rick, i used to love my ranchero with a 460 in it. would love to see what a 557 would do
I love Ford big blocks! More 460 stuff please
I'd like to see all the 460 stuff! SR71 heads? Yeah!
Richard keep going with these please. And some blow through carb stuff on the mild to wild build would really get many of the 385 crowd excited.Thanks for all the effort keep it up!!!
Richard thanks for all the builds! For a car guy this is a must watch channel.
Just post anything and everything Richard! The way you test and go through it all so thoroughly means no matter what the motor is it’s always interesting and super informative! 👍
ABSOLUTELY bring on more BBF stuff.
Finally, a real engine!!
Huh? Where, what, how???
@Thomas Campbell Don't take yourself so seriously. Lighten up. The car world would be utterly boring without the banter between the big three.
Now go and do your daily repair:D
Nice builds, something for everyone. Always learn something of ya.
Them junkyard sound effects!
Excellent-!! BBF are just beasts..... 400. 500. 800 plus easy hp out of bbf
Hey Richard, I'm a big block Chevy guy myself! But love horsepower, bring on the big block Ford! I like the dyno sound quality ! LOL!
Waaaah waaaaah that was the best part of the whole video
Points
Yes, we want to see more on the 460. I will be building one for my hot rod. I was going to use forged rods and crank but after watching this, I think I may get the stock bottom end refurbished. Find a nice head, intake and cam combo and go have fun!
Great 460 Richard keep up the Ford videos.
We want the stroker video! Love the videos Richard. The data is awesome. Nice to find someone unbiased when it comes to engines
Build us a caddy 500. I’d love to see what it can make.
power nation did a caddy motor
ruclips.net/video/QgRNf5Ie8II/видео.html
This Ford is much better in every way. I think the 460 only has 3.85 stroke. You could make it much larger than the Caddy if you wanted.
Sprinkle some aftermarket parts and hot rodding into a 500 caddy engine and it can make a lot ! Even on 87 octane unleaded.
500 caddy block is sturdy !
Bruce Hardy yea they did but it didn’t get any eBay boost
Certainly a great display of turning the sow's ear into a silk purse and more importantly, affordable and accessible for those who want old school powe on a budget
Oh yeah Richard we want the 500+ big block Ford content!!!!
Awsome videos man!
Richard: Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful analysis of the ignored performance engines. Love your 500CAD stuff too!
I'd like to see how far a stock BBF bottom end will go before it grenades. I've spent a lot of time and money over the years on parts that really didn't make much of a difference- in durability and in power. In my mind cheap power is king. Anybody can throw $25K at a motor and make power, but what about all us regular guys who have about 5 or 6 grand to spend (which takes most of us a year or more to scrounge up!) ?
I'd also like a thoughtful comparative analysis on FE vs. 385 series Ford BBs. I have a soft place in my heart for the FE since FoMoCo stomped Enzo's ass with them and made Americans so proud of our Detroit iron. Sadly there is very little info out there on how to turn a plain jane FE into a killer.
Thanks again for the hard work!
I can't wait for this 8.1 build.
Love it I built a Maverick with a mild 460 with ported smog heads and a Detroit diesel turbo that ran 6.5@106 10 years ago
Thank you Richard for remembering our behemoth favorite engine! It's so entertaining all the engines you test and in various configurations, blowers, turbos , single quads, tunnel rams, and even imports. Can't wait to see you turbocharge a stroker 557 of our beloved 460. U DA MAN! Best wishes.
Thank you Richard! Now it’s proven you can make pretty easily +600hp on ported stock head early 460 ford.
Just what I needed!👍🏻
I like the 500hp combo that actually made over 500hp! Bang for the buck!!! I know so good old boys that raced Lincoln motors in old 70's f100s and a 66 Falcon. Recycled parts!! Got a 94F150 flareside I'd like to try!
That was a lot more power then I thought could happen. 50% more.....you have my full attention N/A
This is nothing. Over 800 NA is easily achievable with a 460
Pretty much any v8 can make over 800hp with enough displacement, headflow, and camshaft.
@@s0meguy809 Yea, if you just pretend like we're including used NASCAR engines, and not just budget junkyard combos...
I get that all
The time. Nope just a regular Drake Olson that is really excited to get into this Turbo world!!👍🏻
I really like these 385 series engines. In 2000 we found a 1968 Thunderbird with a 429, reconditioned the block/rods/crank, big lift hyd cam, pistons, and great set of Pro worked iron heads, MSD ign. and a dual quad Blue thunder intake. My boys and I built it for my 1940 Ford coupe, that I had already built a custom chassis for. Power wasn't an issue cause she'd smoke the tires ..forever.
Very cool!
So glad you did this video as my 1970 460 needed a real known combo to make the 500-600HP level that you have proven is possible with my heads and bottom end. Your the best channel on youtube! Whaaaa....Whaaa...whaa!
Thank you Richard! The 385 series is the best. That’s impressive junk yard power too. I’d like to see stroker kit with boost. It seems You see one or the other but not both. I’ve built a few of theSe and have a BW 480 sitting around I’m thinking of putting on my 472 that has AFR 315s on it about 9.8-1 compression
YES YES and YES!!! I want to see that A460 Tunnel Ram Combo!!!
Richard, wow the sound of a big block Ford, banging the rev. Limiter.
Awesome
Also like shifting gears ⚙, on the DYNO 🤔
it was VTEC
@@richardholdener1727
😀🤣🤣
more awesome content thanks richard
Go for it, this is total entertainment!!!
You guys are straight up awesome! Love it!
thnx
Thank you for showing off some of the old Ford classic motors. Great work, you're the man!
Bring all the BBF stuff you can, we love it
Great video I have a similar build to the mild version with more porting on the exhaust side can't wait to see how it does before the afr heads 👍
And yes to more power always!
Really liking the 'other guys' stuff!👍
Yes! More 429/460 please!
Love the low speed torque, would be a lot of fun on the street for cheap. 👍🏻 I would like to see a late model 460 with the same testing.
I would love to see more BBF stuff. Big stroker with Kaase SR71 heads and Boost!
460 is a silent killer!!!! Since it was born
Great video
We want all the 460 videos
The "other" big block has more 1st than any other big block. 385 series Big block ford has been kicking ass since the 70s. I believe first in the 9s, 8s, and 7s. Erica Ortiz tbird with the "other big block" somewhere in the sixes or 5s, and with a stock block.
not on the street it dont. dont give a damn what they run in the 1/4 mile.
The 429-460 Fords are So Underrated, can easily make over 1000 HP N/A and have Super Strong Bottom Ends. I built my 521 Stroked BBF about 10 Years Ago. Going Low to Mid Nines on 275/60 Drag Radials, N/A through a 1000cfm Holley 4150, Nice Solid Roller, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads, Scat Forged Rotating Assy. 4.30" Stroke, H-Beam Rods, C-4 Auto No Brake, 8.8 with 3.90 Gears, Very Streetable, 10.4:1 Compression. The 460 wasn't produced as a High Performance Engine, was put in Heavy Lincoln's and Trucks. These Engines have So Much Potential. Can easily Compete with any Big Block Chevy. Can make Over 1000 hp N/A with a Nice Stroker Kit and Good Heads like Trickflow A460 or Kaase SR-71 Heads. I ran Clevelands for years in my 86 Mustang, about 10 Years Ago is when i built the Stroked 460. My Favorite Engines are the 351 Cleveland, and the 429-460 Ford. I also have alot of respect for the Buick 455 Stage 1, aka The Hemi Killer ! The Only GM engine i would own.
My dad had the 460 in his f250. You could pull a house with it. Lot of torque/power