514 FORD-THE OTHER CRATE MOTOR
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- MANY UPGRADES-FULL RESULTS-SCJ HEADS, 3 CAMS, NOS, WE TEST IT ALL! WE SUBJECTED THE 514 STROKER 460 CRATE MOTOR FROM FORD RACING TO A WHOLE SLEW OF PERFORMANCE MODIFICATIONS. WE RAN THREE DIFFERENT COMP ROLLER CAMS, WE REPLACED THE ALUMINUM COBRA JET HEADS WITH SUPER COBRA JET HEADS. WE EVEN ADDED A 150-HP SOT OF NITROUS? HOW WELL DID OUR OTHER STROKER RESPOND TO THE MODS?
King of big blocks!!! Period!!
Behind the fe. Duh
@@mattshansen9814 Nah man, the FE is so limited, there's just not nearly as much support for those as exists for the 385 series big blocks. Consequently, the amount of power you can milk out of them is likewise limited. Not to take anything away from the FE family, theres just only so much you can do with one is all.
I was around the shop near Atlanta that Kasse was working in back in 1992 when he and Allan Root, whom cast the first set of Cobra jet heads, did the testing of those heads on a Ford 460 crate marine motor. They were worth 100 hp on the first runs with all the low performance stuff on the boat motor. After changing cams and intake like you have done that engine went from 360 hp stock to over 700 hp at the end. Those early heads were great by any measure, they provided the Ford guys a viable cylinder head that would be an easy upgrade and not cost too much. The factory Ford heads were a disaster due to the abrupt turn down the exhaust port had to make because all the older cars had shock towers that intruded into the engine compartment and a normal port would not clear. Kasse sought to straighten out this port problem by moving everything around and he did an admirable job. All the later heads, Super Cobra Jet and P 51's were refinements of that first head. Kasse is a perfectionist and a constant thinker. He is always thinking about ways to improve what exists. He did the same with his Boss 9 heads and intakes for the Boss engine. He is a master in his field and a nice person to boot. Your test shows just how good the first head was as power kept improving as you installed more cam. If the head was a restriction then the gains would have tapered off sooner. It was major step forward for the Ford engine builders. This was a great test that you did here.
Exact crate motor and SCJ combo I ran in my fiberglass 34 ford roadster altered. I don't remember the cam I used but it was from Isky. I was hunting for 9.90's when I built it but was very surprised with easy 9.20's
Big block Fords ROCK ! With an Aluminum Top end they weigh around 550lbs and can make low rpm power a small block can only dream of !
Richard...i just love ❤ Your Big Block Ford Dyno Thrashes....The numbers are Real...almost identical to my dyno Runs...Love the "Other Guy" engine builds as well...👍
Love these stroker BBF engines. I have a couple of 460s on the shelf, so this data was very relevant to me.
3:14 this test was so long ago Richard had hair!! :D
You sir have beat the internet.
WOOOOO more big block Ford love!
Hopefully everyone will start waking up to how downright affordable raw horsepower is from these giants! Basically the same size & weight as a BBC, but more cubes, and with killer cylinder head options from Kaase, Blue Thunder, Trick Flow(can NEVER go wrong with a set of A460s...), AFR... dollar for dollar, might be hard to beat for NA power, all you need is off the shelf parts, 4.5" cranks can drop right in without any grinding even.
And, of course, we know what more NA power means - that much more power with boost or nitrous!
Ported A460 trickflows will put down almost a full 150cfm more than the SCJ shown. The Eliminator RCV heads 580cfm at .700 and 645 @ 1.0.
The Ford A460 iron block or the Eliminator block, 598 rotating assembly and that 292 cam Richard had. Put the A460 on it and get a really good intake, itll make 900 to the tire. With the RCV head there are 632s that make over 1400 on E85.
I ran the A460s on a 557-they work well
Another example of what you can do with a BBF(with a little boost this time)...
ruclips.net/video/-p20GBfjV3c/видео.html
Erica Ortiz, pass from 12 years ago in her 2600lb T-bird chassis car - production 460 block(converted to splayed 4-bolt caps I believe), cast crank, 498" combo, SCJ heads, twin 76s
6.85 at 207 - had to be making 1650-1750HP, production block and cast crank!
Would love to see another BBF stroker test with current parts offerings!
Meeeee tooooo!
I would love to build a 545+C.I. ford. High compression N.A. e85 with some Kaase heads. Great vids, love your channel.
Love seeing BBF builds. Lots of hp people don't realize
Love seeing BBF builds that don't short the 460. Seen some comparisons with BBCs where the Chevy gets the best heads, huge intake, big roller, and the Ford gets street heads, a dual plane and a fairly mild cam, and they call the Chevy the winner.
I wanna hear it run !!!
I built a 429 back in the day. Installed it in an F-150 step side.
What a fun truck. Sounded just like NASCAR and loved to rev.
I love it man.. BBF lover here👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I’d like to see that again with some truck flow heads and a different cam now
Great video! I’m still rockin the old school Cobra Jets on my 514! I could only imagine how much more power some new Kaase or AFR heads would make. Thanks for the video.
Can you get a lot of miles out of the stroker builds?
I'd love to see how the newer Kaase P51 and now SR71 heads would compare on this 514 BBF.
The SR71s would be sick!
I do know that the P51 heads on a 466 with 256 degrees of duration and .650 lift makes 700 horsepower. So on a 514 it should be considerably stronger
@@brandonhumphries3377 ...Ive run the P51s on a 514 in my Lincoln...made 730hp....at flywheel...and my newest Combo has the SR-71s...and its considerably stronger in the higher RPMs...over 600rpm...Didn't get it on the dyno because of a Time crunch...My guess is 770hp...with a 545 short block...
@@brandonhumphries3377 I believe the p51 are the same as the super cobra jet
P51's are a cast version of a fully ported SCJ head. The SR71 head have a raised intake port with valley spacers for the front and back of the intake manifold. Kaase has made 1,100 on a 598 with a TFS intake and single dominator I believe.
@@frankieford7668 have dynoed you new setup yet Frankie,interested in seeing what it made
I love the big block Ford content! Keep it coming!!
Finally! More BBF content!!!
I love the BBC
@@GroovesAndLands I feel Bad for you. Thank the Lord for the Big Block FORD !!!
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Maybe he means the other BBC . . .
@@tatehalpin5686 I'm thinking so.
Nicely done, now you need to bring it back so it can be boosted 3 different ways.✌😁
had one of those 514's in a bracket racing fox body. Picked up about 90hp by changing fuel only (gas to methanol) and a lot of torque down low as well.
In my neighborhood growing up there was a 1st gen rx7 painted purple, tubbed with big Hoosier tires with a 460 shoehorned into it. Well someone eventually bought it and brought it to my friends shop then bought a 514 crate motor for it because the 460 had an oil pressure problem. Clearly the 460 was installed with the trans attached and possibly on a lift with the k member out from the bottom but we didn't change it that way. The water pump almost touched the rad and it used a pusher fan because it was all that fit. A few access holes in the fire wall and some gentle persuasion and the engines was swapped. Apparently the car only ran 13 seconds and couldn't keep the big tires from spinning. But I'm sure it made an impression anywhere it went so long as it didn't over heat.
Thank you for mixing it up Richard!!!
My brother ran one for five years right out of the crate no problem 😊 my brothers and I build a 67 mustang ran 6s in one eight of mile 💪
I wonder what Kase Boss9 heads would have made on that combo if they were available back then.
Jon wrote about the early heads he made and used them on the first engine he did. He bought a new 2008 ( I believe ) Mustang GT and removed the drivetrain. He installed the Boss with the original transmission and used it as a test mule. He would drive it back and forth from his home all the way out to the shop in Winder, about a 2 hour drive. The engine was tested with a couple of different cams and I think it made in the area of mid to high 800's. He had to dial the cam down a bit to make it more streetable but it still made 800 HP. He used to have all the pictures and other details on his web site and might still. It's a great article and goes into detail what they had to do to get the engine to fit well in the car. He finally sold the car to someone that wanted that special car. He would always remark that the car was always headed for a ditch because it had too much power. He makes the current Boss heads able to fit a normal 460 block and use regular head gaskets, not the Cooper rings that the original used. It's easy to make a Boss now, as long as your money holds out. The cylinder heads have tremendous power potential and need a large cubic inch short block to show their real stuff.
The other guys need some boost! This engine needs it the most!
ABSOLUTELY - let's see how big of a turbo this many cubes can spool!
Imagine the torque numbers with boost lol Be like diesel torque lol Accelerate be much quicker than a diesel. I think anyway.
no compression twenty year old stuff.
That was beautiful man!!
I d still love to see what an FE can do.:After Blair Patrick hit 600 with 400 ci with iron 352 heads, I have really wanted a peak behind the curtain. Jay Brown is making some killer FE heads with rectangular ports and TP spacing and offset intake rockers.
What Beast! I might actually look forward to the ride to work.
Cool to see BBF testing, it will be awesome to see more newer product testing on BBF, Kaase came out with new cylinder heads, his engines are now around 1000+HP but they are purposely build engine, for the common guy that have no big pockets and are more about doing more with what you have or find it will be awesome to see BBF parts testing and performance increase.
Great video and education!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!! I learned soo much111
BBF are absolute monsters. Always loved the 385 Series, always felt there was lots left on the table, specially with the 460 "Truck & Land Yacht" variant.
Too bad all I had around me while learning was SBC & BBC.
I'd say out of all the big blocks the Ford was the most crippled by 70s emissions, but at the same time probably on of the best at responding to mods.
Love ford 460 big blocks the are a beast
What a beast, shame it didn't have Boost. Great work Mr Holdener.
Yep the BBF and 351 Cleveland are killer motors
Excellent video
Impressive results
Now imagine domed pistons to tighten up the chambers in the heads and throw in a 750 lift solid roller with a 1050+ dominator and zeee best heads you can bolt on made, N/A animal...
Oh and might as well take it to the max, 557? Cemented to the neck lol.
Love the big block strokers👍
When 514 cid was big and Grandma wasn't old and 600 hp to the tires would make one a ruler!
My friend put one of those engines in a superformance AC cobra. It was insanely fast on the street!
I just picked up a s300a t6 for my 460. Excited to see how it goes.
Awsome video. Thank you. Much appreciated.
I've always been a bang for the buck guy. I like to see cars, and trucks that run really respectable number that are back yard builds! You did a show with a 600hp pump gas 460! A machine shop in Charlotte NC had a heads and cam package. I'd consider selling all my Windsor stuff and and make the jump, but I don't have name and phone number for the machine shop! Really appreciate it if you drop me the name of the shop so I can Google them!
mpg heads
@@richardholdener1727 thanks, no many guys would've took the time. Waiting on ur next video!
I have the 514 with the super cobra jet heads in my 70 fastback. Might have to change cams in it now lol
My Dad had a 1969 AMC AMX, with the 390 go package, in the early 70's and he said the only car that ever smoked him off the line was the Cobra Jet Mustang. Apparently it just walked away from him like it was no biggie. Considering the size and weight difference between those two cars that 429 SCJ was well and truly underrated.
@@Parents_of_Twins Between the Cleveland headed Boss 302 & Boss 351, the 385-family(429/460), and the CJ/SCJ, Ford really came on strong right at the end of the muscle car era. I think, as a result, a lot of the most notable Fords(outside of the exceptions like the Thunderbolts & Boss 429s) have been overlooked as GM stuff and especially Mopars have risen in popularity.
The reality is that they ALL put out some killer stuff back then though; even those AMC guys! BTW, it seems like Javelins have begun to get a little more attention these days too.
With that said, I think today is the REAL golden age for gearheads though - whether brand new cars like the absurd 760HP dual clutch sequential GT500, or even building old school stuff with off the shelf heads & intakes for brands like Pontiac, AMC, Olds, etc., you really can build just about anything without needing to jump through too many hoops.
@@RyTrapp0 I agree.
@@RyTrapp0 Sad thing about the 335 and 385's, when Ford pulled out of racing there was virtually NO information on these combo's. In 1975 I started building a jet boat motor that started as a 460, then offset ground the crank to get 490, then found a set of iron CJ's that I ported. The heads did not have the rockers when I got them and the dealers could not even tell me what went on them. They sold me 'rail rockers', a huge mistake. With a tunnel ram and 2 660 Holleys it never got touched by the meanest BBC or Mondello Olds in the day.
what do mean might? you should've done it the weekend after watching this video with proof like this.
More Ford stuff. 👍 Thank you. Any idea of the compression with the dish piston on the last test?
That would be a hell of a fun motor in an old Galaxie or Strainer.
Apparently your spellcheck does not recognize the word "Starliner", lol.
Lots of tire smoke, that's for sure.
Fuck! I tried to fix it twice and it still got me! LOL
That would be awesome in anything.
@@donellmuniz590 you should see these guys out of my area.
reincarnation-automotive.com/contact_us
Wrote the book on duraspark recurving and do ported iron headed efi 460s
Richard..... always the best vídeos!!!!!!! Keeps Up the great Work!!!!!!
I'm a chevy man, but I appreciate seeing a ford on the dyno
Looking at the torque with those super cobra jets heads it could even take more cam and make more power. Impressive for the time.
Back when I got my learner's permit, one of the cars in my family was a '76 Mercury Grand Marquis with a 4-bbl 460 and dual exhaust. As I recall from what I've read it made all of 201 hp. If it had made the sort of power your various stroker combos made, I probably wouldn't have lived to graduate high school! I stomped on the throttle every time I could, just because I loved the sound of the secondaries opening.
Sad fact is, my 1990 Miata, despite having only 116 hp (but only 2200 lb curb weight, vs. around 5K) would beat that old Merc in a straight line. And it would flat out stomp the Merc around a corner.
I’m waiting to see mazda B series motors on this channel (B6 from the 90-93 cars, B8 for 94-97, BP4W from 99/00, BPZ3, BP5A, etc) because I want some different ideas for my 99 miata (94 block bored to 1.9L with flyin miata turbo 9:1 forged pistons and forged rods, 10.8lb flywheel, 99 stock head)
SR71 heads then turbo(s)!
I think it was good keep on telling showing, do it to it see ya next time see ya bye bye.
Great results! Great video! Thanks!
I’ve built quite a few 514s and they are very durable motors.
One of "The Other Guys" engines that I'd like to see would be a 440 BB Mopar. Should be right in the ball park with similarly sized BOP engines. 440 Six Pack would be really cool to see with an aluminum head swap and some modern cams with the faster ramps they have today. I'd love to see a test with a 426 Hemi, but those engines come with prices that are from fantasy land. "I heard it from the guy I bought it from who was told by the guy he bought it from that it ran when they pulled it. I only want $20K for it. No lowballers, I know what I got." 🤣
there are 440 vids up
Bbf everything!
I am all in with the turbo set up
Latest Kasse BBF heads are called SR71s. As usual, they kick ass.
MXS
Richard as you installed the bigger cam the hp and torque increased significantly. There was no compromise with the bigger cam on low end torque? The NA torque on the big blocks is insane.
I love your videos man keep up the good work
Richard you showing yo ass off now buddy.... and I'm not a ford guy.... But I'ma Power Guy🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
And now we have the 572 Ford Crate Engine that makes insane power.
That’s what I want in my 79 2whl drv F-150 long box some day!
I have a super Cobra jet heads highly ported opened up triple springs think the spring pressure is like 600 and something pounds it's been 18 years ago flat top Ross Pistons eagle rotating assembly cast iron heads seem to have flowed by 10% more than any of the aluminum supporting took time to get the right angle flow to make it like had to run stud girdle bars 1250 dominator spraying 200 shot of nitrous in a mud truck when the tires would unload in midair motor would hit 10,000 was running 8,000 RPMs the largest majority of the time coming out of the end of the track 250 ft track clocked us at 110 mph
Yes more bbford testing
Love the older stuff you're doing. How about a 390 FE with Chinese twins?
I´m waiting for that one as well.
@@billashe2108 I've got a running driving 390 with sniper efi and have been eyeing the 171cc Chi Chi's. Then add a VS China boi FTW
Yessss some FE Love maybe take "Grandpas ol 360" and see how much air you can shove down her throat before she heads to the scrap bin
That thing needed a PT106 .150ar and some alcohol!
I loved it !
Guy named Joe mayhab built a 514 aluminum head aluminum rod motor made 850 hp at 6500 on pump gas my buddy drove it 60 miles to the drag strip every weekend
I ran those heads.. Had the same issues with valve relief. The cam I chose wasn't as big as I thought.
More cam next time and AFR heads. I also stuck with the 385 stroke. It's a very light car. Don't really think a longer stroke is necessary
I love, the other guys stuff! One question. Why didn’t you spray, the super cobra jet heads?
An often overlooked engine, and probably forgotten is the 534, would like to see you make one of those breath, as they were meant for low rpm tq.
Modern motors might make more power with less weight for less money, but there's just something about a big block that everyone perks up when they hear those words.
A proper LS swap would be removing the LS motor and installing a Big Block FORD!
I really like your channel and your comparisons i give you a lot of information from the different parts that you use i'd like to see you do some testing on compression from 8.5 to max compression with some different heads cams valve trains and induction manifold
I say when you have less than .700 lift on a big block stick with a hydro roller.
Parkland performance around my area in Seattle Everett tacoma wrote the book on recurving duraspark distributors. Check them out the do a lot of ported big block iron heads and EFI setups for people that'll go in anything including boats.. Made a 70s LTD tank run 12.9s with a EFI 460
Got me thinking what the Godzilla might do with a stroker kit. Might be the all time stump pulling contest winner.
That big Ferd makes some stomp. Curious to see what you have on your mind for the Big Daddy Caddy bruh ? Blackwing
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Rich, I feel like your videos need a companion booklet. This is only youtube material I feel compelled to take notes on. Couple of questions.
1) Might you consider a extended length Q&A where your soon to be 100K subscribers can send in questions? (There are a hundred things I would love to hear your opinion on).
2) Understanding there are so many GM and Ford motors out there, will you on occasion be getting into some of the import engines?
3) Are you looking for more hardware to test and if so, is there a way we (the audience) can help get that hardware or provide access to it?
yes-looking into 100K fun stuff (will have video coming up on how you can help
I think I remember this from car craft magazine. I wanted that exact combo back then
3:11 IT'S RICH WITH HAIR!
Compression ratio?? This thing is a beast!!
I know it’s kinda contrary to the point of these high performance builds, but I would really like to see a hauler build especially a BBF. You know pulls from way down low and street/tow type builds for pulling our toys around.
For instance I have a BBF dually 460efi for towing it does ok, but peters out at 4k rpm and could be much stronger down low. No doubt because of head flow. So what does a set of cobra jets look like at say 1500 or 2000 rpm? Or maybe what cam would really give them some stink out of the hole.
Test the SR-71 Kaase heads on the 572 ford crate motor!!! PUHLEEZE!!!
i tested his heads
The SR-71'S? .... & do you still have the fox body from the first RSE? lol
I would love to put a 514ci upgraded crate engine in my 2003 Terminator Cobra!
Hey Richard! You should test a single plane intake vs a dual plane with a Holley TBI on a mild small block! Its a big debate online on which is better!
521 afr heads in a 2950 lb fox with me in it c4 3.80 gear runs 9.35 with a off the shelf crane flat tappet cam motor only
pretty good stuff...but i would like to see the other other guys...a y block build
I love BBF
Richard every body sprays right out of the hole.
Do a big block Mopar stroker! With trickflow heads and Edelbrock Victor heads. Please!!
Huge power! Have you ever tested a police interceptor heads?
NO SIR
616 was the rated HP for the SOHC 427 crate motor.
And 657 hp with 2x4 carbs. You could buy a 427 Cammer over the counter in 1968 for $2395.
Lorenzo Maximo Yeah, and you could buy a new Torino for 3500.
There indeed were reliability issues with these engines. I can remember a few bracket guys I knew that went thru several of these. Whatever the deal was, ford actually replaced them. Ultimately I think a local engine shop went thru and corrected whatever the issues were and they ended up staying together.
More other guy's! Shelve the ls stuff for a while
Junkyard prices goin up.
A roots blower and mechanical fuel injection would be sweet
Great video!! Man where were you 3 weeks ago when I was choosing a cam! I got this exact engine at the machine shop right now. Looks like I’m going to be spraying nitrous!
Your channel does what we all wished we could get paid to do! How about you be the first to push the new ford 7.3 to a maximum effort. It’s Destin to be the next best thing. Why not lead the charge?
I double dog dare ya to do the “other BBF”. Yea, the FE. Your typical mild to wild combo.
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And talking about the other guy Engine, what about AMC, what about the a AMC 360 very common and popular engine, these engines came with very good characteristics like larger diameter cylinders, large cylinder head valves 2020" int/ 1.680exh, share the same Rocker arm dimensions as FORD so there is some playing to do with rocker ratios, boring the cylinders out too 4.100" and using Chevy pistons in them, whey came with bigger diameter bolts on the main caps than FORD and CHEVY, they are quite expensive on aftermarket parts because they are less mass produce as FORD and GM but still after fixing there Oiling problems, they are pretty decent engines, I like to see Mechanical roller camshaft test on them, if I remember right GM .904" lifters work on them not 100% sure if height is a problem, there are plenty camshaft options in the market, unfortunately not so much intakes, Edelbrock makes cylinder heads for them but I heard that a good porting job on the OEM's makes good power because they already have large valves. I had a AMC 360, I only had the money to put a RPM intake, a 600Cfm carb with 1" spacer, Comp Cams Steel full roller rockers, a shorty header with a X-pipe to try to help it a bit, Edelbrock camshaft kit with hydraulic lifters and springs, and a MSD ignition system, I cleaned a little the cylinder heads valve ports, obviously the engine woke-up a lot but never knew what was the HP/TQ gain, I believe it was no more than 235HP but it is something I was always curious of how much It really was making.
@richardholdener if you see this, PLEASE do a video on transmissions. i know you do videos on cams and boost and engines. but it'd be nice if you did a video of how these transmissions are able to handle your engines kind of torque.
I'm not a transmission guy
@@richardholdener1727 Well, can you do some Hemis? How about testing all three generations.
Love the BBF engines! There's so much potential there. Plus they fit my Ford cars and trucks, lol! So who's ass did Brule kick for the nitrous mishap?!!
we didn't tell him about it til now
@@richardholdener1727 Hey Richard, I have looked through your playlist and cannot find something I’m looking for: Can you do a video on a junk yard 460 low compression engine (1979 up?) with the usual ring gap, cam upgrade, carbed tunnel ram, then carbed tunnel ram AND turbo? I am interested in how the charge cooling effect will do. I can’t find anything on that combo! Thanks for the always epic vids!