Considering this and the confirmation Thrawn's still kicking in the Mandalorian, you'd think they're starting to make connections and we'll be seeing Tantiss in some of the new shows.
@@silentxero5955 Excluding that very stupid sentence.... Given on how much Legends being slowly integrated or re-shaped into canon.. well who knows, It'll be interesting to see it in Shows but there's a likelyhood that it'll be put into Books or Comics. *there's alot of SWTOR Stuff Canonized in Books and Comics*
@@silentxero5955 Why? Luke was still a Sith Lord in Legends and why the fuck Yoda would talk with some random clone of Emperor? Luke in TLJ simply "went Yoda" as hater mob in they bottomless ignorance seams to not know that he was acting like crazy gnome, when Luke encountered him and Luke always drink blue milk as a moist farmer. TLJ is nowhere near as bad as babies claim. It is jut that people were disappointed that they ridiculous fan theory of Rey being Obi Wan doughtier (like WTF?) was not true.
Filoni and Favreau really doing the best they can to bring back legends. I love them for it. As soon as I saw that base I immediately thought of Mount Tantiss
@@jackdubz4247 I'm sure he knows that, he is just appreciating one of its aspects and remarking on how he wishes there was more of that aspect in the show.
I wish Disney would make up its mind and either move in to Legends stories or make its own universe instead of taking from Legends everytime it needs something to satisfy fans or can't come up with something.
I'm fine with taking the great stuff from legends. Why leave it in a shadowy corner when you can use it to appease old fans and at the same time introduce it to new fans?
I really hope we get to see more of Tantiss and Thrawn. Imagine a Snoke alpha version in the form of C'baoth, a cloned Jedi, who survived Order 66 as a prisoner or such.
@@SWFT_edits neither did I, so someone has to enlighten us, I'd say c.f. Not sure if he was a part of the Empire already but I wouldn't be shocked if we'll see some captured Jedi on whom they experimenting on.
@@SWFT_edits In the new canon Thrawn books, Thrawn was still with the Chiss Acendancy at the end of the clone wars, and didnt get discovered by the Empire on his exile world until a couple years before he appears in Rebels...So he's probably not going to appear in Bad Batch
And make armor from it? Clone armor for clone troopers? I think a discarded idea for proto Star Wars was for troopers to have armor grow with them. This venture would really be helped if there was some Vong bio tech lying around, waiting to be salvaged and reverse engineered.
Trust me, it'll come. Dave Filloni leaves no stone unturned. Sometimes it may take 10 years for us to finally get an answer, like with what happened to Cad Bane, but we will eventually learn. God I can't believe it's been almost 10 years since we last saw Cad Bane. It's mind blowing that I've been invested in something for this long, and how im old enough to actually say that now.
as a structural engineer it amazes me how a facility like that is able to hold the weight of the top of the mountain without some modifications to the shape and materials. but I know its a kids tv show so I just ignore it lol
Well the entire thing wouldnt just be one big empty room. If they really did hollow out the whole thing and then filled it in with however many rooms and hallways and all that I would assume the entire structure has dozens or hundreds of massive supports and thousands of smaller ones. The Empire is capable of some pretty incredible feats of engineering after all
I really like the explanation that the Empire nationalized the Kaminoan cloning technologies and moved them to the Mount Tantiss facility, then put Nala Se to work on making the improved Spaarti cloning system better than the Empire making a new cloning system from scratch.
Don’t forget that Wayland is currently canon! In the Oculus VR game Vader Immortal, you can find a holographic display of planets. Your droid co-pilot ZO-E3 calls one of the planets Wayland and cites rumours of a secret Imperial storehouse…
personally, this is what Disney should have done when they acquired Star Wars before making a trilogy that failed hard. They should have taken some time to sort themselves out, figure out how and what parts of the previous continuity they wanted to keep or adapt into their own before jumping into the deep end of the pool and making an entire trilogy. It may have made the sequel trilogy good. Not sure about anyone else, but I think their first successful movie was Rogue One and the next one was Solo. Though they may not have been AAA movies they were certainly better than the B movies that were the sequel trilogy
Imagine if the hints towards the Empire trying to create cloning technology were slowly built up across various shows, books, games, etc., setting up a grand mystery. Then that years-long, cross-era mystery finally culminates in Episode IX revealing that a Force-sensitive Palpatine clone has been created! The downside would be that people who mainly watch the movies wouldn’t get the full explanation… although that wouldn’t be much different than what TROS gave us anyway
Yep, back in the seventies my friends and I came up with our own backstory. The Sith used fast grown clones to attack the Republic. Due to them being cloned as full grown adults, they were abominations to the Force and the Force drove them crazy.
Ya know, an idea like that could still be salvaged. Palpatine could’ve made failed experiments with cloning. Instead of just wasting the psycho rabid clones, he would unleash them on a planet that was iffy about joining the empire. The planet would be desperate for protection from rabid clones, and the empire would “save” them from the problem they created by annexing them. If the planet still refused the empire, we’ll the clone uprising would soften them up for invasion. It would also reinforce why only the Empire should have the right to clone, and why private clones would be criminalized. It would allow the empire to nationalize and monopolize all such practices and tech, and it would probably look good to imperials who were human supremacists or otherwise wary of clones. It would reinforce the idea that everything related to the Old Republic was bad, and that the empire saved them from a darker time, the clone wars (more than one, this is a lesser one), further lionizing it’s image as savior.
Oh one other thing, Palpatine didn’t make C’bath, however you spell that, the “protector” of the mountain. Jorus killed the dark side user and took his place.
If all of Filoni's hints about a large, top-secret Imperial cloning project are leading up to Joruus C'baoth instead of Snokatine, I'll be as happy as a Mandalorian in a gun shop. Of course, Disney could still do both, but let me hope.
@eckhartsladder here's a good question for another vid. How did the Palpatine fund/pay for the creation all these facilities without it being noticed or avoid the risk of losing the clones wars inadvertently with this diversion of such vast resources/budget? I get they weren't discovered because they are in far off reach's of space. but removing credits, fleets, troops and materials from an active military without notice is different.
I think it's base on Mount Tantiss in the very least. I also think it will be a major plot point on Bad Batch, like the last mission for the free clones to take down, ending in a devastating victory that causes there to be very few clones left (and likely cost the life of most, if not all, of the Bad Batch themselves) to justify there being only three left somewhat willing to help by the time of Rebels.
I am glad that I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of Mount Tantis from the Thrawn Trilogy, and I was reading the book Dark Force Rising when the episode came out, so it was certainly nice to see the parallels.
Weird that you call Joruus C'baoth the protector. I'd always read it that he was a cloning "accident" that killed the actual protector sometime after the events of RotJ. Hence why there's a tomb that C'baoth refers to as the protector's grave.
Dave Filoni is such a HUUUUUUGE nerd, and that is what the franchise really needs! I love him for re-canonizing so many beloved things from Legends. I hope he and Jon Favreau can incease their influence at Lucasfilm 🤞🤞🤞
Regarding the guardian of the mountain. Did joruus cbaoth not state that he killed the guardian?therefore he was not the originsl one. Just a minor observation.
I think they will call the planet itself Tantis and since there seems to be multiple mounts they would just call them the twin peaks of tantis or just the mountain peaks of tantis, if they do decide to go that route
My money is it is Mount Tantiss (or at least represents Mount Tantiss) and there the Empoeror had multiple "cloning" related research projects, to include the testing and creation of the Dark Troopers. Phase 0 Dark Troopers semi-suits for the old clones that were commissioned for testing and experimenting on. Clones were eventually melded with machines to make the transition to what the Dark Trooper is now known as now; a war droid with a far more sentient ability to combat. Dr. Pershing even noted that the last weakness in the Dark Trooper research was the "human factor" which was eventually removed. I think what we'll see are the origins of the Dark Trooper Project, among other experiments: Palpatine's Clones, Snoke's clones, maybe even collection of the Force (like in Jedi Academy) to redistribute into Imperial Assassins (Inquisitors).
They are starting to put the pieces in play. They have Thrawn, they have an Imperial facility (Mt. Tantiss perhaps?) with cloning technology, and they have a show(s) in the timeline after RotJ. What we need to look for now is a legend of a missing Imperial fleet (The Katana Fleet) and the introduction of Ysalamiri into canon and you can see where they are going.
That would solidify his storyline, and seeing as how he is super devoted to the empire. He would probably be the first one. But notice how throughout the final episodes, he was kind of struggling to make a decision in favor or against The Batch, which makes me think, his inhibitor chip wasn't removed yet. So if he does become a phase 1 dark trooper, he might change sides for the better at one point.
@@stevenblankenheim4016 I don't think so, I'm pretty sure by The Mandalorian, the empire was using Phase 2 dark troopers, which stopped using humans all together, and started using highly trained robotic brains. Though the ones in The Mandalorian, look like phase 3s so who knows.
@@0013bluejay right, but given the timelines, is it not possible Crosshair became a prototype for Phase 1 Dark Troopers, if he didn't end up being a Death Trooper as seen in Rogue One, Rebels and finally the Mandalorian?
@@stevenblankenheim4016 oh yeah, it is completely possible for him to become a phase 0 prototype dark trooper or even a death trooper. I thought you meant, that he might have been present during the Mandalorian episode.
Something that I've thought of is that because of the fact that the Bad Batch's mutations, while being spontaneous at first, were artificially enhanced, so it could be safe to assume that Nala Se knows how to make Clones with those specific mutations, so potentially we could see an Anti-Bad Batch of sorts, or maybe a clone who has not one, but all of the Bad Batch's mutations put into a single Clone
Any chance the cloning could bring up the Zillo beast from clone wars? Palpatine asked at the end of its' story if the scientist was capable of cloning it after it died
I can think of a couple of reasons why the clones are considered as being the enemy in Legends. The planets that belonged to the Confederacy of Independent Systems would definitely consider the clone troops as the enemy, and a huge portion of the Outer Rim. And the clones led to the fall of the Republic, to the rise of the Empire, and to the destruction of the Jedi Order, which would definitely make many people hate them.
Mount Tantiss seems to be inspired by Palpatine’s master, Plagueis’s, research and storage facility, Aborah, which was located on an island on Muunilist. There are a lot of similarities in terms of purpose between Mount Tantiss and Aborah.
I'm still positive that this is the same planet where Gregor was imprisoned on previous episodes, he said that him and a lot of CC were gathered there, maybe these are not the same facilities but it could be the same planet.
Quick correction, around 4:18 you said Joruus C'baoth was the Emperor's appointed Guardian, when in fact, Joruus killed the Guardian appointed by Palpatine and usurped his title.
While it’s 100% possible that this is Filoni just “teasing” those of us who know the old Thrawn books, I’d say: “If it walks like a Tantiss, and quacks like a Tantis....it’ll crew up your Katana fleet in mere months!
It is my thought that the facilities that we see in the Bad Batch is not Mt Tantis from the books. The reason I say this is that Darth Sidious likes to build things in secret. He would never keep his deepest secrets in a facility with so many personnel, especially this early after taking over. It would take him a few years before he becomes overconfident to the point of openly showing his hand. While this facility looks like it could hold cloning equipment, we saw a lot of other equipment, including cloning tanks, destroyed in the last two episodes of the Bad Batch. This facility will most likely be a bit of everything including troop training and new R&D, possibly even the Dark Trooper project. Theory: Mt Tantis is still undisclosed. When/if it is discovered it would more than likely hold equipment from the abandoned Kamenio installation that we saw mid-season of TBB. To me this seems more likely since we do not know how long that facility had been or why it was abandoned. Sidious likes to play the long game so he would have been working on phase 3 before the end of phase 1 of his master plan. This could mean that Mt Tantis could still be a viable location in a new show or re-vamped sequel trilogy.
It is Mount Tantiss. This Concept Arts from the official star wars website says Mount Tantiss at the bottom www.starwars.com/series/the-bad-batch/kamino-lost-episode-guide
Hey so I've been getting into the old Legends books, starting with the Thrawn trilogy and then going in chonological order ig. Where do the Dark Empire comics fit into the timeline of books? Like, should I read it before the Jedi Academy trilogy, or the Black Fleet Crisis, etc
I'm rereading the Thrawn trilogy right now and it's a bit sad we didn't get movies made of them right after release. I feel like we would have gotten better prequels as a result and come on, the og Legends post-Endor timeline is infinitly better than what Disney gave us.
The Episode Guide concept art does clearly note these sets as Mt Tantiss on the developers' artwork title plates. www.starwars.com/series/the-bad-batch/kamino-lost-episode-guide
it does seem to be mount tantiss it fits description wise. i feel like they have been dropping thrawn related hints on the bad batch with this mountain facility as well as the pet lizard and the dog like creatures they used to track that escaped trooper. they just ring a bell for some reason.
Hey I don't think Palpatine left C'Baoth to guard the mountain. My memory of the novel was that Joruus C'baoth killed the dark Jedi that Palpatine had guarding it and had unofficially become the new guardian.
Doing my own research, I discovered that Wayland is Canon because its mentioned and shows up as a hologram in Vader Immortal Episode I. So this really could be Mount Tantiss
7:37 The portrayal of Dark Troopers is actually evidence they will randomly change Mount Tantiss' name. In the show, they appeared to be Phase II Dark Troopers, but were called "generation 3" for no reason. Also they randomly inverted what used to be early Dark Trooper being droids, and the final phase being suits, to now early Dark Troopers being suits and "third generation" being droids. Those arbitrary changed did nothing for the story, and only disconnected it from previous lore
While I may agree about the generation thing, the security droids we see in Rebels (which are clearly related to the training droids from BB) were used in the show years before they decided to have dark troopers in the Mandalorian. But at that point it was done, no changing the past. I think we should interpret them just as an estetic baseline for imperial combat droids and not as dark trooper precursors.
Not related to this video but why did unsc ships carry so few star fighters and marines? Especially compared to other franchises like star wars. Was it the lack of technology or were things just to big
Imagine if an adapted version of the Thrawn Trilogy actually happens in canon, with Thrawn creating a new Clone Army to war with the New Republic (either with a new template, or he somehow acquires a perfect sample of Jango Fett's DNA, which The Bad Batch established can only be acquired from either Boba Fett or Omega)
Update from 16 August 2021: the concept art portion of the "Kamino Lost" episode guide on SW dot com CONFIRMS it's the planet Weyland, with "weylandMtTantiss" being the asset name
I think seasons 2 will be; Bad Batch gets a mission from Sid to rescue someone or they stumble across Grogu being held at the facility in a suspended state. Omega wants to save him so the mission changes. They get Grogu off the planet by sacrificing themselves. I have a feeling later in the Thrawn related films that its discovered Omega is alive and was the new clone template.
No offence but I don't like the idea of The Bad Batch sacrificing themselves for Grogu🤷 Rex, omega or crosshairs is understandable or fighting against another powerful opponent but not for someone they barely know and just meet🤷 I don't care how cute he is
@@JR-eu8ck ** sorry I meant Omega. Echo is just a more catchy name I could see the Bad Batch sacrificing themselves for Omega and Grogu but in the last line of defense she sacrifices herself for Grogu.
@@polishfinnish3066 I don´t think they have to sacrifice themselves. They could save him at some point though. I have an unsettling feeling these mysterious guys who had Grogu at the very beginning of The Mandalorian weren´t actually the bad guys. They could be the good guys who tried to protect him from Gideon and whoever else wanted him.
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i love how the republic shuttle is slowly becoming the lambda shuttle
As well as the Republic Fighters are slowly becoming TIE fighters. :)
@@BorgAssimilator yes i love it but i mainly love the shuttle with that extra wing on the top and it looks longer than the original republic shuttle
It might not be Mount Tantiss, but one thing is certain: that imperial base looked so cool.
But Wayland in heir to the throne with thrawn goes to mount tantiss because he created the new empire fro the ashes their
Episode guide confirms. Mount Tantiss!
Considering this and the confirmation Thrawn's still kicking in the Mandalorian, you'd think they're starting to make connections and we'll be seeing Tantiss in some of the new shows.
Maybe they can retcon the sequels by doing the clone Luuke was the one in The Last Jedi.
@@silentxero5955 Excluding that very stupid sentence.... Given on how much Legends being slowly integrated or re-shaped into canon.. well who knows, It'll be interesting to see it in Shows but there's a likelyhood that it'll be put into Books or Comics. *there's alot of SWTOR Stuff Canonized in Books and Comics*
I fully expect to see Tantiss in live action inside of 3 years
@@silentxero5955 Why? Luke was still a Sith Lord in Legends and why the fuck Yoda would talk with some random clone of Emperor? Luke in TLJ simply "went Yoda" as hater mob in they bottomless ignorance seams to not know that he was acting like crazy gnome, when Luke encountered him and Luke always drink blue milk as a moist farmer. TLJ is nowhere near as bad as babies claim. It is jut that people were disappointed that they ridiculous fan theory of Rey being Obi Wan doughtier (like WTF?) was not true.
@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff The EU has a lot of good stuff, but overall it's a complete mess that needs to be untangled.
Filoni and Favreau really doing the best they can to bring back legends. I love them for it. As soon as I saw that base I immediately thought of Mount Tantiss
I love how the facilities are built naturally into the mountains, empire cares about nature confirmed.
If it is Mount Tantiss? It’s an old republic facility recommissioned by Palpatine.
And will destroy an entire planet full of nature. 🙃
Rather Empire cares about camouflaging their bases.
How cool cloning facilities are on the high ground.
Yes vry epic
Star Wars fans make an original joke challenge (impossible)
I think it's time to change your name to just Ben Kenobi
How did you even manage to get that name
@@bimss7969 Why make an original joke when the copies are so good?
Next we’ll end up with a rogue force-user and a Chiss admiral working together against a band of rebels…
Oh wait….
@@ArtgangAmadeus Yup Ezra may well be the new Joruus C'baoth
@@LordOceanus I fully believe that.
@@LordOceanus Now that would be interesting, especially since Ahsoka and Sabine were both out searching for him after the Empire fell.
Ezra
really hope we get to focus more on the building of the empire, since, in my opinion, it’s the most interesting part of the show so far
Yeah, definitely something that does not get enough attention.
I really hope we see the Empire begin development of things like the TIE Fighter and Imperial Class Star Destroyer
The show is called The Bad Batch, not The Galactic Empire.
@@jackdubz4247 I'm sure he knows that, he is just appreciating one of its aspects and remarking on how he wishes there was more of that aspect in the show.
If they do it then people will complain about Filler episodes or cameos like possibly seeing victory sds and etc
To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art.
Sun Tzu has nothing on you
I immediately thought of Mount Tantiss when I saw the end scene, I’m hyped that I’m not the only one, keep it up Eck! You’re killing it!
Really hoping to see more of the Empire and more hinting to the Thrawn trilogy. What's left? The Katana fleet? Really hope they do it.
Now ya got me speculating that thrawn and Ezras jump had them come across the Katana fleet unexpectedly.
Oh yeah, the Katana fleet would be fun.
I wish Disney would make up its mind and either move in to Legends stories or make its own universe instead of taking from Legends everytime it needs something to satisfy fans or can't come up with something.
I'm fine with taking the great stuff from legends. Why leave it in a shadowy corner when you can use it to appease old fans and at the same time introduce it to new fans?
@@Vornskrofmyrkr that would be awesome
I really hope we get to see more of Tantiss and Thrawn.
Imagine a Snoke alpha version in the form of C'baoth, a cloned Jedi, who survived Order 66 as a prisoner or such.
Wait, could we see Thrawn in the Bad Batch? I've not read the books so not quite sure where he is canonically around this time.
@@SWFT_edits neither did I, so someone has to enlighten us, I'd say c.f.
Not sure if he was a part of the Empire already but I wouldn't be shocked if we'll see some captured Jedi on whom they experimenting on.
@@SWFT_edits In the new canon Thrawn books, Thrawn was still with the Chiss Acendancy at the end of the clone wars, and didnt get discovered by the Empire on his exile world until a couple years before he appears in Rebels...So he's probably not going to appear in Bad Batch
@@MayfWasHere Ah okay, thank you for the clarification! Would've been cool but I hope they don't retcon any more books.
Cringe. Don't connect it to the Sequels.
fan from the future, here. it is mount tantiss, and its really big
The emperor would never throw away the ability to just make death squads in secret xD
Maybe they will finally clone the Zillo Beast.
And make armor from it? Clone armor for clone troopers? I think a discarded idea for proto Star Wars was for troopers to have armor grow with them.
This venture would really be helped if there was some Vong bio tech lying around, waiting to be salvaged and reverse engineered.
Trust me, it'll come. Dave Filloni leaves no stone unturned. Sometimes it may take 10 years for us to finally get an answer, like with what happened to Cad Bane, but we will eventually learn. God I can't believe it's been almost 10 years since we last saw Cad Bane. It's mind blowing that I've been invested in something for this long, and how im old enough to actually say that now.
They did and we see the Zillo beast in this new episode of the bad batch
as a structural engineer it amazes me how a facility like that is able to hold the weight of the top of the mountain without some modifications to the shape and materials. but I know its a kids tv show so I just ignore it lol
You must've lost your shit during the kamino structure underwater scenes
they have drives that can fling ships halfway across the galaxy in days, holding the top of a mountain up should be trivial in comparison.
To be fair, other Star Wars content has some crazy architecture too.
Maybe it's hollowed out a bit.
Well the entire thing wouldnt just be one big empty room. If they really did hollow out the whole thing and then filled it in with however many rooms and hallways and all that I would assume the entire structure has dozens or hundreds of massive supports and thousands of smaller ones. The Empire is capable of some pretty incredible feats of engineering after all
I really like the explanation that the Empire nationalized the Kaminoan cloning technologies and moved them to the Mount Tantiss facility, then put Nala Se to work on making the improved Spaarti cloning system better than the Empire making a new cloning system from scratch.
I was super stoked thinking about mount tantiss when I watched the episode, the notification for this video got me so excited!!!
As a fan of Karen Traviss's Clone Commando novels, seeing all the Clone Commandos in Bad Batch has been cool.
I know! I hope to see more of the commando’s
It already looks like the Filoniverse will be the New Thrawn Trilogy, so this may very well be Mount Tantis.
It's not the Filoniverse. It's Star Wars.
@@jackdubz4247 In Filoniverse we trust
So thrawn might be building a clone army in canon. How very intriguing.
Could Baron Fel make an appearance? He is the template for the fighter pilots.
Ezra is the clone maybe
I just read the thrawn trilogy. This is so exciting to see it come back.
Don’t forget that Wayland is currently canon! In the Oculus VR game Vader Immortal, you can find a holographic display of planets. Your droid co-pilot ZO-E3 calls one of the planets Wayland and cites rumours of a secret Imperial storehouse…
personally, this is what Disney should have done when they acquired Star Wars before making a trilogy that failed hard. They should have taken some time to sort themselves out, figure out how and what parts of the previous continuity they wanted to keep or adapt into their own before jumping into the deep end of the pool and making an entire trilogy. It may have made the sequel trilogy good.
Not sure about anyone else, but I think their first successful movie was Rogue One and the next one was Solo. Though they may not have been AAA movies they were certainly better than the B movies that were the sequel trilogy
Imagine if the hints towards the Empire trying to create cloning technology were slowly built up across various shows, books, games, etc., setting up a grand mystery. Then that years-long, cross-era mystery finally culminates in Episode IX revealing that a Force-sensitive Palpatine clone has been created!
The downside would be that people who mainly watch the movies wouldn’t get the full explanation… although that wouldn’t be much different than what TROS gave us anyway
@@Booksds still bad idea to bring back Palpatine, but this would have been great execution and would have needed a plan
Yep, back in the seventies my friends and I came up with our own backstory. The Sith used fast grown clones to attack the Republic. Due to them being cloned as full grown adults, they were abominations to the Force and the Force drove them crazy.
Ya know, an idea like that could still be salvaged. Palpatine could’ve made failed experiments with cloning. Instead of just wasting the psycho rabid clones, he would unleash them on a planet that was iffy about joining the empire.
The planet would be desperate for protection from rabid clones, and the empire would “save” them from the problem they created by annexing them.
If the planet still refused the empire, we’ll the clone uprising would soften them up for invasion.
It would also reinforce why only the Empire should have the right to clone, and why private clones would be criminalized. It would allow the empire to nationalize and monopolize all such practices and tech, and it would probably look good to imperials who were human supremacists or otherwise wary of clones.
It would reinforce the idea that everything related to the Old Republic was bad, and that the empire saved them from a darker time, the clone wars (more than one, this is a lesser one), further lionizing it’s image as savior.
Oh one other thing, Palpatine didn’t make C’bath, however you spell that, the “protector” of the mountain. Jorus killed the dark side user and took his place.
I think Canon c'boath is ezra
If all of Filoni's hints about a large, top-secret Imperial cloning project are leading up to Joruus C'baoth instead of Snokatine, I'll be as happy as a Mandalorian in a gun shop.
Of course, Disney could still do both, but let me hope.
As long as I don’t need to think about the sequels at all, I’ll be happy
@eckhartsladder here's a good question for another vid. How did the Palpatine fund/pay for the creation all these facilities without it being noticed or avoid the risk of losing the clones wars inadvertently with this diversion of such vast resources/budget? I get they weren't discovered because they are in far off reach's of space. but removing credits, fleets, troops and materials from an active military without notice is different.
The original palpatine clone cloning facility is it?
Nice was just reading the thran book and this mountain is mentioned in it( idk the English title of this book)
Heir to the Empire
@@ImTheReverse could be the title
I think it's base on Mount Tantiss in the very least. I also think it will be a major plot point on Bad Batch, like the last mission for the free clones to take down, ending in a devastating victory that causes there to be very few clones left (and likely cost the life of most, if not all, of the Bad Batch themselves) to justify there being only three left somewhat willing to help by the time of Rebels.
Honestly, I just assumed the planet was Daro from episode 14.
I am glad that I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of Mount Tantis from the Thrawn Trilogy, and I was reading the book Dark Force Rising when the episode came out, so it was certainly nice to see the parallels.
Weird that you call Joruus C'baoth the protector. I'd always read it that he was a cloning "accident" that killed the actual protector sometime after the events of RotJ. Hence why there's a tomb that C'baoth refers to as the protector's grave.
Yeah but you read a book not just a wiki
It's now confirmed as "Mount Tantiss" and Wayland
Bad Batch ep 16 episode guide on sw website
I flipped when I first saw it. This is exactly what I thought it was.
Thanks for the video...I immediately thought Mount Tantiss when watching the episode...
Dave Filoni is such a HUUUUUUGE nerd, and that is what the franchise really needs! I love him for re-canonizing so many beloved things from Legends. I hope he and Jon Favreau can incease their influence at Lucasfilm 🤞🤞🤞
Cool to see it I wonder if Thrawn use it or the first order
Absolutely agree with you, an excellent video today Eck!!!!!!
Im guessing that the name of the Planet Wayland in legends is a refrence to Wayland Yutani from the Aliens movies
Regarding the guardian of the mountain. Did joruus cbaoth not state that he killed the guardian?therefore he was not the originsl one. Just a minor observation.
I think they will call the planet itself Tantis and since there seems to be multiple mounts they would just call them the twin peaks of tantis or just the mountain peaks of tantis, if they do decide to go that route
Very nice. My best guess, it's a similar mountain base, and if it is the base in question, great reference.
The shape of those mountains are eerily similar. They might be massive facilities covered over to look like mountains.
I was immediately wondering if this was Wayland/Mount Tantiss or at least a reference to such a place.
i’m so proud of myself for recognizing that as a “mount tantiss reference”
My money is it is Mount Tantiss (or at least represents Mount Tantiss) and there the Empoeror had multiple "cloning" related research projects, to include the testing and creation of the Dark Troopers. Phase 0 Dark Troopers semi-suits for the old clones that were commissioned for testing and experimenting on. Clones were eventually melded with machines to make the transition to what the Dark Trooper is now known as now; a war droid with a far more sentient ability to combat. Dr. Pershing even noted that the last weakness in the Dark Trooper research was the "human factor" which was eventually removed. I think what we'll see are the origins of the Dark Trooper Project, among other experiments: Palpatine's Clones, Snoke's clones, maybe even collection of the Force (like in Jedi Academy) to redistribute into Imperial Assassins (Inquisitors).
They are starting to put the pieces in play. They have Thrawn, they have an Imperial facility (Mt. Tantiss perhaps?) with cloning technology, and they have a show(s) in the timeline after RotJ. What we need to look for now is a legend of a missing Imperial fleet (The Katana Fleet) and the introduction of Ysalamiri into canon and you can see where they are going.
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Speaking of dark troops, could it be possible that crosshair get turned into one in season two?
That would solidify his storyline, and seeing as how he is super devoted to the empire. He would probably be the first one. But notice how throughout the final episodes, he was kind of struggling to make a decision in favor or against The Batch, which makes me think, his inhibitor chip wasn't removed yet. So if he does become a phase 1 dark trooper, he might change sides for the better at one point.
"The problem was the human inside" in the Mandalorian.... perhaps Crosshair was "the problem"???
@@stevenblankenheim4016 I don't think so, I'm pretty sure by The Mandalorian, the empire was using Phase 2 dark troopers, which stopped using humans all together, and started using highly trained robotic brains. Though the ones in The Mandalorian, look like phase 3s so who knows.
@@0013bluejay right, but given the timelines, is it not possible Crosshair became a prototype for Phase 1 Dark Troopers, if he didn't end up being a Death Trooper as seen in Rogue One, Rebels and finally the Mandalorian?
@@stevenblankenheim4016 oh yeah, it is completely possible for him to become a phase 0 prototype dark trooper or even a death trooper. I thought you meant, that he might have been present during the Mandalorian episode.
Something that I've thought of is that because of the fact that the Bad Batch's mutations, while being spontaneous at first, were artificially enhanced, so it could be safe to assume that Nala Se knows how to make Clones with those specific mutations, so potentially we could see an Anti-Bad Batch of sorts, or maybe a clone who has not one, but all of the Bad Batch's mutations put into a single Clone
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Mount Tantiss was located on the planet Wayland Smithers, and was said to grow whenever Burns's comet passed by.
Any chance the cloning could bring up the Zillo beast from clone wars? Palpatine asked at the end of its' story if the scientist was capable of cloning it after it died
they may be going to do in season 2 possible earlier phases of dark troopers where it is a clone soldier inside the darktrooper armor.
Was there another Kamino facility? The abandoned one in Bad Batch. The cloning equipment could have come from there?
I can think of a couple of reasons why the clones are considered as being the enemy in Legends.
The planets that belonged to the Confederacy of Independent Systems would definitely consider the clone troops as the enemy, and a huge portion of the Outer Rim.
And the clones led to the fall of the Republic, to the rise of the Empire, and to the destruction of the Jedi Order, which would definitely make many people hate them.
Mount Tantiss seems to be inspired by Palpatine’s master, Plagueis’s, research and storage facility, Aborah, which was located on an island on Muunilist. There are a lot of similarities in terms of purpose between Mount Tantiss and Aborah.
I love how he did this video because he mentioned it in the last one.
"Here's an explanation of what I think this other thing is!"
WAYLAND POG!
Can you explain the empire using more clones still after the clone wars I didn't know in Canon that was a thing
I'm still positive that this is the same planet where Gregor was imprisoned on previous episodes, he said that him and a lot of CC were gathered there, maybe these are not the same facilities but it could be the same planet.
Already confirmed from the episode guide that it isn’t.
Quick correction, around 4:18 you said Joruus C'baoth was the Emperor's appointed Guardian, when in fact, Joruus killed the Guardian appointed by Palpatine and usurped his title.
While it’s 100% possible that this is Filoni just “teasing” those of us who know the old Thrawn books, I’d say: “If it walks like a Tantiss, and quacks like a Tantis....it’ll crew up your Katana fleet in mere months!
It is my thought that the facilities that we see in the Bad Batch is not Mt Tantis from the books.
The reason I say this is that Darth Sidious likes to build things in secret. He would never keep his deepest secrets in a facility with so many personnel, especially this early after taking over. It would take him a few years before he becomes overconfident to the point of openly showing his hand.
While this facility looks like it could hold cloning equipment, we saw a lot of other equipment, including cloning tanks, destroyed in the last two episodes of the Bad Batch. This facility will most likely be a bit of everything including troop training and new R&D, possibly even the Dark Trooper project.
Theory: Mt Tantis is still undisclosed. When/if it is discovered it would more than likely hold equipment from the abandoned Kamenio installation that we saw mid-season of TBB. To me this seems more likely since we do not know how long that facility had been or why it was abandoned. Sidious likes to play the long game so he would have been working on phase 3 before the end of phase 1 of his master plan. This could mean that Mt Tantis could still be a viable location in a new show or re-vamped sequel trilogy.
I think it's the dark troopers thing zero phase
It is Mount Tantiss. This Concept Arts from the official star wars website says Mount Tantiss at the bottom www.starwars.com/series/the-bad-batch/kamino-lost-episode-guide
Still crossing fingers for them doing Phase 1 Darktroopers, with Crosshair being the first. Might be too dark though 🤣
The mountain looks pretty
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Hey so I've been getting into the old Legends books, starting with the Thrawn trilogy and then going in chonological order ig. Where do the Dark Empire comics fit into the timeline of books? Like, should I read it before the Jedi Academy trilogy, or the Black Fleet Crisis, etc
I'm rereading the Thrawn trilogy right now and it's a bit sad we didn't get movies made of them right after release. I feel like we would have gotten better prequels as a result and come on, the og Legends post-Endor timeline is infinitly better than what Disney gave us.
I could've sworn that Mount Tantiss was on Endor as it was in a forest setting.
Reminds me of tannis root from Rosemary’s Baby… possible connection?
I think there is a strong possibility of it being Mt. Tantis since they have confirmed that Wayland exists in Cannon.
There was a Thrawn Trilogy comic!? I need to find this.
The Episode Guide concept art does clearly note these sets as Mt Tantiss on the developers' artwork title plates. www.starwars.com/series/the-bad-batch/kamino-lost-episode-guide
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I think the planet was Daro.
it does seem to be mount tantiss it fits description wise. i feel like they have been dropping thrawn related hints on the bad batch with this mountain facility as well as the pet lizard and the dog like creatures they used to track that escaped trooper. they just ring a bell for some reason.
Those dog creatures made me think of the ones talon kaarde used at his hideout as well
@@jasonv7151 yeah me too and they never explained what kind of lizard that the boss lady was keeping as a pet.
Hey I don't think Palpatine left C'Baoth to guard the mountain. My memory of the novel was that Joruus C'baoth killed the dark Jedi that Palpatine had guarding it and had unofficially become the new guardian.
My first thought when those mountains was -are they on wayland?????
I truly believe they are setting up a retcon of the Sequels and replacing it with a version of the orginal Thrawn Trilogy.
Doing my own research, I discovered that Wayland is Canon because its mentioned and shows up as a hologram in Vader Immortal Episode I. So this really could be Mount Tantiss
i wonder if we'll see cbaoth
highly doubt it but possibly someone similar to him. Maybe a new inquisitor?
7:37 The portrayal of Dark Troopers is actually evidence they will randomly change Mount Tantiss' name. In the show, they appeared to be Phase II Dark Troopers, but were called "generation 3" for no reason. Also they randomly inverted what used to be early Dark Trooper being droids, and the final phase being suits, to now early Dark Troopers being suits and "third generation" being droids. Those arbitrary changed did nothing for the story, and only disconnected it from previous lore
While I may agree about the generation thing, the security droids we see in Rebels (which are clearly related to the training droids from BB) were used in the show years before they decided to have dark troopers in the Mandalorian. But at that point it was done, no changing the past. I think we should interpret them just as an estetic baseline for imperial combat droids and not as dark trooper precursors.
Not related to this video but why did unsc ships carry so few star fighters and marines? Especially compared to other franchises like star wars. Was it the lack of technology or were things just to big
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Imagine if an adapted version of the Thrawn Trilogy actually happens in canon, with Thrawn creating a new Clone Army to war with the New Republic (either with a new template, or he somehow acquires a perfect sample of Jango Fett's DNA, which The Bad Batch established can only be acquired from either Boba Fett or Omega)
Would be a cliff hanger if at the end of book of boba fett boba gets kidnapped by the empire.
Why does that mountain look like Mount. Kilimanjaro in Africa?
Because it's just a general volcano. Look at any of them (high enough, of course) and you will see similarities in all of them.
Calling it now, Snoke is the new Joruus C'byoth but he's a Palpatine meat puppet, and that's what they wanted Grogus blood for.
what if sequal trilogy luke was actually just a more chill luuke
🤔 Season 2, I predict that we will get a glimpse at Thrawn and be introduced to a scout Yuuzhan Vong ship.
Update from 16 August 2021: the concept art portion of the "Kamino Lost" episode guide on SW dot com CONFIRMS it's the planet Weyland, with "weylandMtTantiss" being the asset name
Cbaoth may or may not have been the actual guardian since he said he killed the original one
There are way more Clone Commandoes than I was led to believe
Does this video contain spoilers?
I think seasons 2 will be;
Bad Batch gets a mission from Sid to rescue someone or they stumble across Grogu being held at the facility in a suspended state. Omega wants to save him so the mission changes. They get Grogu off the planet by sacrificing themselves.
I have a feeling later in the Thrawn related films that its discovered Omega is alive and was the new clone template.
No offence but I don't like the idea of The Bad Batch sacrificing themselves for Grogu🤷 Rex, omega or crosshairs is understandable or fighting against another powerful opponent but not for someone they barely know and just meet🤷 I don't care how cute he is
@@JR-eu8ck ** sorry I meant Omega. Echo is just a more catchy name
I could see the Bad Batch sacrificing themselves for Omega and Grogu but in the last line of defense she sacrifices herself for Grogu.
@@polishfinnish3066 I don´t think they have to sacrifice themselves. They could save him at some point though.
I have an unsettling feeling these mysterious guys who had Grogu at the very beginning of The Mandalorian weren´t actually the bad guys. They could be the good guys who tried to protect him from Gideon and whoever else wanted him.
Is it any coincidence that the mountains look a bit like the Kaminoan facilities?
So originally it was thought the Clone Wars was the clones attacking the galaxy?