Considering how Boba Fett mentioned that Mandalore was turned into glass, I think most of the galaxy would assume it was completely uninhabitable, creating the perfect place for Thrawn to hide out. There's a Chinese saying: the most dangerous place would be the safest place. Thrawn could be hiding under their noses the whole time
I love how Mount Tantiss is like Area 51 but in Star Wars. A secret research complex with secret vaults containing artifacts, documents, technology and laboratories. I hope we get to see some weird stuff being held and studied there. I think it'd even be a fun idea to tie in some loose ends pertaining to the Zillo beast arc of the Clone Wars.
I had the same idea when I watch that scene the mountain was clearly big enough to house one if not use it’s armor to make storm trooper armor as some secret force of the empire that would hunt down the remaining Jedi.
@@Jediwhoever1 I have a feeling the new canon is trying to justify the whole existence of the First Order and Snoke/survival of Palpatine and how it swiftly took over the Galaxy after 30 years (or after 50 years, from the perspective of the end of the Clone Wars). The amount of sheer power the Empire secretly had in form of housing technology and studying ancient science could've gone completely under the New Republic's radar. It would even add up to Beaumont Kin's line in the Rise of Skywalker: "Dark science, cloning...". Granted, the Kaminoans were the true pioneers in cloning technology but ultimately the Sith were the ones to research it thoroughly through research facilities and complexes like these. And to think the Rebel Alliance had many chances to uncover some of these mysteries, like when Rogue One infiltrated the vault on Scarif. I feel like one of those project names like Pax Aurora or Mark Omega could've unveiled what the hell was going on behind the curtains.
@@matheuss886 Slight correction: Kin is not saying cloning was Sith knowledge, he is listing possibilities as to how Palpatine returned. Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. All three are unrelated.
I think what LucasFilm is doing is a reworked & canonized interpretation of the Heir to the Empire Trilogy using Clone Wars + the Bad Batch, Rebels, The Mandolorian, Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka as "Prologues." It accomplishes two things. The first is that it gives a more satisfying sequel series to the Original Trilogy for those disappointed by the actual Sequel Trilogy. The second, answering unanswered questions and adding lore that make the existing sequels more palatable. It's honestly a win/win.
Exactly this. I don't know why a lot of people seem to be annoyed that disney are working on making the sequels tie into the plot 'better'; I want to enjoy all star wars and if they can make the sequels more enjoyable (much like the clone wars did for the prequels) then I am all for it.
If it wasn't good enough for them to keep the way it was...DON'T USE IT AND BASTARDIZE IT!! Make your own ideas and Lucasfilm now that you threw out the original EU...that's rightt... your original new stuff SUCKS and Filoni cant atorytell without ripping off the old
@@Mandalorian_of_Christ "Make your own ideas" but also "your original new stuff SUCKS". Have you considered moving away from star wars for something you actually like doing?
@@e115mastery to be fair there is key moments in The sequel trilogy that bastardised the whole plot, such as Luke’s character being unforgivingly horrible, but plot devices that obstruct the writing going forward, I think it’s best if it gets decanonised and they move forward with the plot with the recent content
At first I was like that's mount tantiss, but then I thought what if this is just another Kamino facility in another biome. So glad that they named it!!
They could put the orignal Snoke in the same role that Joruus C'boath had. Palpatine's wording in Episode IX is very vague "I made Snoke." This could be a chance for Star Wars to take a mulligan on Snoke and actually flesh him out as a character.
@@lineclosed1576 This is what I have been trying to say to some people who are persistent haters on the Sequel Trilogy. Look I enjoyed it for the most part and think all the characters had some good and bad and at first I was excited for the Palpatine return (I loved the Dark Empire Comics and still own some original prints) but thought it fell a little flat when they shoehorned it in but yes this is a way to help correct that and flesh out the story the way the Clone Wars did. And I think that was always in the cards for them all along. I don't try and scream and yell at Disney the way people do for "ruining" Star Wars." Yes they are a monopoly and mega-corporate conglomerate, but that is a whole other fight. I genuinely think that while yes some poor planning had its hand in the way the ST panned out, I also think they took a queue from George and said "well even if we don't tell the viewer everything, George didn't, and he was able to get spin off shows and more material out there to help supplement and expand on that character people seemed to like but wasn't developed very well," in shows like the Clone Wars and Books. And they were dealt a bad hand when Carrie died that soooo many people don't take into consideration. Force Awakens was a rehash a little, but introduced some exciting new themes and characters and paid homage to the Expanded Universe us older geeks felt nostalgic about (Kylo being the heir that turned to the Dark side etc.). And people can say what they will about Last Jedi, I'm not here to argue that point. But Ep. IX I think was them trying to honor Carrie's legacy, make her a Jedi (essentially) and give her a lightsaber (posthumously) and have that saber and her on-screen brothers, be the thing that ultimately was what brought the Emperor down. Yes it was shoehorned in there but give them a break. It was a good concept that would have been better if Carrier were alive but now at least we can play fill in the blanks a little. My head cannon would love for them to now introduce the escaped clone of Palpatine who will someday grow up to be Rey's dad. And maybe we see an Emperor's Hand be the one to help him escape ala Mara Jade, Rey's mom. See that would help make things interesting for the Bad Batch and again satisfy some of the purists while help add some substance to the story that originally was interesting but fell flat.
I would think it would probably be more important to the mandalorian's story rather than the bad batch. Yes it's still possible Tanis could bring a huge challenge to the batch but given the timeline, it makes more sense for the mandalorian. We don't know what quality of cloning the empire had before the original trilogy but based on what we've seen in the mandalorian and episode 9, it's not great but I'm sure it's better than what they started off with. The empire could have some pretty messed up bad clones running around during this series, rebels, and the original trilogy but I think this will impact the mandalorian more than the batch. Plus as u mentioned, it'd be a great Segway to reintroduce Thrawn in the mandalorian. I feel while including him in the bad batch would be epic, it wouldn't mesh well. It would be more appropriate to include him in the mandalorian. But I trust Filoni either way
I suspect there's probably a mix. The Bad Batch probably have to assault or infiltrate the facility at some point, rescue or kill Nala Se and perhaps destroy some Imperial cloning projects, dealing Imperial cloning science a blow that it never truly recovers from. Then it can come up again in the Mandalorian, since the Empire can always just clean up the corpses and get the facility working again.
I’ve been saying since the end of mando s2 that they’re slowly moving towards a thrawn trilogy adaption. The deepfake guy being hired, deepfake Luke, tantiss, thrawn building a fleet, etc.
I was going to say, since Tarkin okayed the destruction of Kamino, I'd be interested in seeing Palp's reaction to finding out, but he may have ordered it. Although he may not have, and this is a move by Tarkin to eradicate cloning altogether, without the Emperor's knowledge. Schemes and plans and such.
So excited for this reveal. I love the original Thrawn Trilogy so much, it got me into the EU and just reading in general. I really hope they do something like that with Thrawn in the live action shows. It would be great to see him present a challenge rather than the super weapon obsessed First/Final Order.
Leave it out of the new canon....they'll just basterize it like everything else they've taking from old EU. It wont be the same just like their Thrawn is just Thrawn in name only.
As someone who considers the original Thrawn trilogy one of the best Star Wars stories ever (and am currently re-reading it for the nth time), this news has me incredibly excited!
I really do forsee the bad batch going to Tantiss to break Nala Se out. That seems like something Omega would get the batch to do. But one of my hopes is that while there they have an actual encounter with the dark side, maybe Palpatine himself. Im talking about like the observatory on the planetoid in Shadowfall with Yrica Quell. And maybe when faced with the ture evil of the empire and its leader that will convince Crosshair to leave the empire or sacrafice himself for the bad batch
Why can't it be both? This is clearly meant to setup what's happening in Mando and sequel trilogy Palpatine snoke plot. It's a great way to include all fans to be invested in the story. So for anyone who hated the sequels, all this setup won't be a huge waste of time for them. It's a win win for all imo.
I was convinced that we were going to see Kamino in Mando S3 so I bet now that Din will search for answers regarding grogu's experiments and end up on Mt Tantiss
Alan Alda Maybe the whole reclaiming of mandalore is just a plot from Thrawn to find the perfect template for his clone army. And maybe it will be Din Jarin ... vor 1 Minute
I can honestly see Thrawn going to the facility, grabbing secret tech, maybe some of the clone technology, and pretty much discarding the rest. If we are going to see a clone jedi, I hope it is something the current audience would more recognize. Otherwise, there could be strong hints of cloning being used to make Snoke or Palpatine but Thrawn misses them before he ever arrives to planet Weyland.
I have a strong suspicion that Lucasfilm is very much setting up the pieces for their canon version of the Thrawn trilogy. The Mando-verse shows may very well culminate in an all-out war with Thrawn and cloning tech subplots revolving around Palpatine....all through the lens of Din, Ahsoka, and Bo rather than Luke, Han, and Leia. And I'm soooo hyped for it.
The Katana fleet was made up of Dreadnaught class cruisers, which were a popular design when the fleet was created. Maybe the design was updated by the Empire and used in a similar role to the Gozanti class cruiser.
I would love to see elements of the Thrawn Trilogy make it onto the big screen. Thrawn is definitely one of the most underrated of all the villains, he just provides entertainment, and he's just a brilliant leader. However, I don't think Thrawn would personally want to fight the New Republic, as in canon he is more loyal to his people than the Empire. He regards the Empire as an "asset" to the Chiss. Maybe Thrawn is using whatever is left of the Imperial remnants to gear up for the Grysk?
I don't know where this is all headed, I don't want to overextend my hand on saying all this is building towards Thrawn creating a clone army to take on the New Republic in The Mandalorian or Sidious creating clones and/or Snoke or both. I personally didn't read Heir to the Empire but I know the story and about Wayland and Mt. Tantiss so I am excited to have more Legends elements coming back into canon. I actually have the same feeling I did when they revealed Thrawn was coming back in Rebels and I loved that return. Whatever is going on, I'm interested to see what Nala Se will be doing for the Empire AND I have no doubt that at least for the moment, whatever she's working on will have Sidious' fingerprints all over it and he will be directly involved although I do think it would be a nice touch if there was an acoylte of his monitering the operation for him like there was in Legends or maybe even Joruus C'baoth could return, some Force sensitive being overseeing everything. Maybe it could even be an Inquisitor, they report to Vader and therefore the Emperor as well so it would make sense to have one of them keeping an eye on things, especially if Palpatine is looking into creating Force-sensitive beings.
Don't forget, there's one other famous clone we know of in canon. Well its not exactly a clone, but something we know they wanted to clone, perhaps there's one or more zillo beasts down inside that mountain as well.
So that Mountain is pretty big right? Could have a lot of big chambers that they’d use for cloning right? This got me thinking about something from an old Clone Wars episode. What if Palpatine had the Zillo Beast’s body moved inside that mountain and has that other doctor there as well still trying to clone it so they could use it’s scales for improved TK trooper armor, or even starship hull armor? That’s still an unresolved plot thread from Clone Wars that hasn’t been brought up in ages.
Okay, we've got Thrawn, we've got Noghri, we've got Mt. Tantiss, now we just need Joruus C'boath, Talon Karrde, and Mara Jade to have everything important from Heir to the Empire canon. Mostly Mara Jade and Talon Karrde, though.
Consider this: what if Thrawn, or some other high ranking imperial, cloned not only troops, but also tried to create a way for Luke to have a son rather than a pure genetic clone. As we all know, one of the conditions put forth by Jango Fett was an unaltered clone for himself. This is how Boba Fett came to be. I theorize that in the Star Wars universe, it is easier to breed a force sensitive person rather than create a purely unaltered clone.
I don’t think we are getting Thrawn as a villain like old canon. He’s been portrayed more as an anti hero in his two trilogies. The Empire was a means to an end, and he didn’t want to take over the galaxy. His books CLEARLY define this. I don’t see them reverting his character back to his old canon counterpart.
@@tanner5809 In complete contrast to the CANON books we've gotten of him. Rebels is a kids show, so of course they made Thrawn just a bad guy, because in kids show's morally grey characters don't exist. In the Thrawn books we have, he sees the empire as a means to an end to help his people fight what they're fighting, he's never cruel, never cold, and his crew respect him not out of fear but out of reverence.
@@tanner5809 While this is true from THEIR point of view, from what we personally know of him, his intentions, and his morality (as seen in his two trilogies of books), he is very much not.
He is making a bunch of MCU super villains to aid him in his fight against the new repiblic and thus Darin has to make a bunch of Avangers to stop them. And then they create a Jedi superhero in MCU. Or wait, to much meta? Johan.
I figured I would be getting confused by all these different connected shows coming up with Thrawn involved. Good to know they are keeping it simple by bringing Bad Batch into the mix too...
If the Empire is interested in continuing cloning (aside from the uber top secret Palpatine clones) then I would think they'd be trying to create an obedient version of Clone Force 99/The Bad Batch. They were the only clones Tarkin seemed at all interested in as they're basically super soldiers, but their ability to question orders was a big negative for him.
A terrible possibility, but, do you think there may be something special about Omega which might make her a test subject to throw Emperor Palatine's essence or spirit (for lack of better term) into?
This is what I have been trying to say to some people who are persistent haters on the Sequel Trilogy. Look I enjoyed it for the most part and think all the characters had some good and bad and at first I was excited for the Palpatine return (I loved the Dark Empire Comics and still own some original prints) but thought it fell a little flat when they shoehorned it in but yes this is a way to help correct that and flesh out the story the way the Clone Wars did. And I think that was always in the cards for them all along. I don't try and scream and yell at Disney the way people do for "ruining" Star Wars." Yes they are a monopoly and mega-corporate conglomerate, but that is a whole other fight. I genuinely think that while yes some poor planning had its hand in the way the ST panned out, I also think they took a queue from George and said "well even if we don't tell the viewer everything, George didn't, and he was able to get spin off shows and more material out there to help supplement and expand on that character people seemed to like but wasn't developed very well," in shows like the Clone Wars and Books. And they were dealt a bad hand when Carrie died that soooo many people don't take into consideration. Force Awakens was a rehash a little, but introduced some exciting new themes and characters and paid homage to the Expanded Universe us older geeks felt nostalgic about (Kylo being the heir that turned to the Dark side etc.). And people can say what they will about Last Jedi, I'm not here to argue that point. But Ep. IX I think was them trying to honor Carrie's legacy, make her a Jedi (essentially) and give her a lightsaber (posthumously) and have that saber and her on-screen brothers, be the thing that ultimately was what brought the Emperor down. Yes it was shoehorned in there but give them a break. It was a good concept that would have been better if Carrier were alive but now at least we can play fill in the blanks a little. My head cannon would love for them to now introduce the escaped clone of Palpatine who will someday grow up to be Rey's dad. And maybe we see an Emperor's Hand be the one to help him escape ala Mara Jade, Rey's mom. See that would help make things interesting for the Bad Batch and again satisfy some of the purists while help add some substance to the story that originally was interesting but fell flat.
I hope they do not try to retcon/explain Luke in TLJ by doing the "certain point of view" thing. The Luke we met felt off for a lot of fans and even Mark Hammel dubbed him Joe Skywalker (or something like that). I hope they do not go back and say that the Luke we saw in the sequel trilogy was actually a clone from Tantiss. Completely different easter egg nod, was Weyland named after the corporation from Blade Runner and Alien? If so, that's a good meta nod for a place that spawns "replicants".
Just had a thought. Though unlikely, do you think it's possible that the Luke we saw in the mandalorian season 2 was actually "Luuke". I think that would kinda make sense. Din somehow finds out that jedi was a fake working for the empire and has to go try and retrieve Grogu again from the clutches of this imperial fake and from there on out keeps Grogu for good. Give him an excuse to fight with that shiny new darksaber he just got too. I may be reaching but he, who knows!
I'm sure I'm not the only one running wild with speculations but what if the severed hand of Luke served to make Rey's father, making her in a way a Skywalker by blood?
Personally I would not like that, the Found Family theme is one of the few things in TROS that works imo, and Rey's bloodline is already convoluted enough as it is :P
Disney is trying to slowly make the sequels make sense with these shows, sorta like how the prequels are remembered more fondly because of TCW. The problem is the prequels we’re always one story in George’s head that took decades to be fully realised, the sequels are spin-off cash grabs that Disney’s trying to shoe horn in
Okay but what if this version of Luuke (please don't call him that Disney) has accelerated aging and is played by Mark Hamill🤩 It would be so cool to be recast-Luke interacting with Mark Hamill as a dark side Luke clone.
Could Ezra become some kind of Jorus C'baoth, but without being ultimately evil? Maybe Thrawn uses the Wayland Base to prepare for Palpatines Return and Ezra is willing to help him? *edit: I meant Thrawn preparing to fight Palpatine when he returns, not helping him to do so.
@@SWFT_edits Oh my bad, wrong wording. I meant that Thrawn, might be a Enemy to Palpatine by now and tries to take control over the Imperial Remnant to stop him, since the new Republic does not seem to do anything about it. Could be a good Way to combine the Hero Thrawn from the Books with the Villain Thrawn from Rebels, he would use harsh methods but his end goal would be understandable. *sorry for bad english, its my second language
No. We already saw Ezra’s use of the dark side in seasons 2 and 3 of Rebels. This would be a ripoff of Ezra and Maul. He rejected Palpatine and Maul’s offers Also, let’s make it clear. Only sith or dark jedi can turn someone to the dark side. Thrawn is not a force user, so he can’t do it. Ezra may have already been a Jedi Knight or Master during his jump to the UR.
@@gavintheman856 Good point actually! But I still think it would be interesting if Ezra was working with Thrawn in some capacity, doesn't necessarily mean, that he has fallen to the dark side
I expect there will be horrific failed attempts at cloning. I think we'll see the remaining clone babies, but not in a good way. We might see the Emperor, but I'm hoping we don't see or hear Vader. We might see captured Jedi and other force sensitives being experimented on. Lots of Jedi & Sith Artifacts. And I want to see Nala Se running things but manipulating things so there isn't too much success, and the failures are so terrifying that even the Emperor agrees they must be destroyed. Ultimately, realizing what Palpatine is after, she causes something severe to happen that will force the base to be abandoned.
I think that they would be fools not to try and adapt the thrawn trilogy. let us all look at what star wars has done so far -after the disaster of the sequel trilogy the well received rogue one and the tepid solo movie then the success of the mando shows and the obiwan series that what people want is 3 things, one -war is hell and covert ops stuff, 2 jedi doing jedi things and bounty hunters, and the thrawn trilogy could be the perfect blending of these 3 elements, first consider that the millitary elements and tactics are exactly what thrawn is known for second jedi being jedi like obi wan and luke could be done by ashoka and ezra plus mandalorians were part of the republics clone army you could weave thse together any way you like it combined on top of which you could have elements like talon kard and bounties on his crew ect. i think its the logical plan and choice and this means we might get some more characters like peleon and even a mad jedi master like cubouth
Yeah and where do you think the Sith Eternal got all of the cloning tech and massive fleet? From the Empire, or that’s how it seemed to be explained in episode 9 lol
Can we give Timothy Zahn some credit for all this? Guys like Dave Filoni seem to get all the credit but now they're literally taking his idea and copying it. Exceptional writer
Dave Filoni gets all the credit because he and his team bring in legends material and adapt it for animation to fit whatever story they want to tell, they’ve been doing this sorta thing for years with clone wars, Rebels, and Mando. I agree Timothy Zahn should get praise too because his books are amazing
I really hope they don't botch Thrawn just to appeal to his legends lore, because the current crop of Thrawn books we have don't paint him in an evil light, more of as a brilliant military leader who sees the empire as the best bet for helping his people fight what they are fighting. Disney said that moving forward everything would be canon, and if I read those Thrawn books, and fell in love with the characterization of the character only to have him turn up being a downright bad guy just because it will be very disheartening.
I really hope its nothing about snoke and "the emperor" clone. I like to pretend those (especially the emperor) didnt exist... I try not to think those last 2 movies are at all canon lol
With Weyland being so close to Mandalore mean that people's theories about Thrawn being in control of Mandalore holds a lot more weight to it now.
Considering how Boba Fett mentioned that Mandalore was turned into glass, I think most of the galaxy would assume it was completely uninhabitable, creating the perfect place for Thrawn to hide out. There's a Chinese saying: the most dangerous place would be the safest place. Thrawn could be hiding under their noses the whole time
I’m thinking the Mandalorians may also replace the role of the Noghri being used by the Empire.
@@henryhammond7393 There's no need since the Noghri are canon. Thrawn had one as a bodyguard in Rebels.
@@Dayummmsalt I mean wasn't it all already glass lol, did it get even glassier?
@@aaronkatzke7320 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mandalore more sand like than glassy?
To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics. But their history, philosophy, art.
Thrawn speaks!
Thanks grand admiral
maybe
Indeed. I still use that now. My work requires me to think in this way.
Prove it. In a motion picture format, preferably.
I love how Mount Tantiss is like Area 51 but in Star Wars. A secret research complex with secret vaults containing artifacts, documents, technology and laboratories. I hope we get to see some weird stuff being held and studied there. I think it'd even be a fun idea to tie in some loose ends pertaining to the Zillo beast arc of the Clone Wars.
I had the same idea when I watch that scene the mountain was clearly big enough to house one if not use it’s armor to make storm trooper armor as some secret force of the empire that would hunt down the remaining Jedi.
@@Jediwhoever1 I have a feeling the new canon is trying to justify the whole existence of the First Order and Snoke/survival of Palpatine and how it swiftly took over the Galaxy after 30 years (or after 50 years, from the perspective of the end of the Clone Wars). The amount of sheer power the Empire secretly had in form of housing technology and studying ancient science could've gone completely under the New Republic's radar. It would even add up to Beaumont Kin's line in the Rise of Skywalker: "Dark science, cloning...". Granted, the Kaminoans were the true pioneers in cloning technology but ultimately the Sith were the ones to research it thoroughly through research facilities and complexes like these. And to think the Rebel Alliance had many chances to uncover some of these mysteries, like when Rogue One infiltrated the vault on Scarif. I feel like one of those project names like Pax Aurora or Mark Omega could've unveiled what the hell was going on behind the curtains.
@@matheuss886 Slight correction: Kin is not saying cloning was Sith knowledge, he is listing possibilities as to how Palpatine returned. Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. All three are unrelated.
@@comicop2513 Sith Alchemy 🪄, Dark Science 🧪 and Cloning 🧬 are unrelated but all three was used.
@@comicop2513 Oh I actually haven't heard that interpretation. Good one
I think what LucasFilm is doing is a reworked & canonized interpretation of the Heir to the Empire Trilogy using Clone Wars + the Bad Batch, Rebels, The Mandolorian, Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka as "Prologues." It accomplishes two things. The first is that it gives a more satisfying sequel series to the Original Trilogy for those disappointed by the actual Sequel Trilogy. The second, answering unanswered questions and adding lore that make the existing sequels more palatable. It's honestly a win/win.
Exactly this. I don't know why a lot of people seem to be annoyed that disney are working on making the sequels tie into the plot 'better'; I want to enjoy all star wars and if they can make the sequels more enjoyable (much like the clone wars did for the prequels) then I am all for it.
If it wasn't good enough for them to keep the way it was...DON'T USE IT AND BASTARDIZE IT!!
Make your own ideas and Lucasfilm now that you threw out the original EU...that's rightt... your original new stuff SUCKS and Filoni cant atorytell without ripping off the old
@@Mandalorian_of_Christ "Make your own ideas" but also "your original new stuff SUCKS".
Have you considered moving away from star wars for something you actually like doing?
@@e115mastery to be fair there is key moments in The sequel trilogy that bastardised the whole plot, such as Luke’s character being unforgivingly horrible, but plot devices that obstruct the writing going forward, I think it’s best if it gets decanonised and they move forward with the plot with the recent content
"Heir to the Empire" is also responsible for "Coruscant".
This is true
And Kashyyyk (unless you count the Holiday Special’s Kazook).
@@JahillMC we don't talk about that
At first I was like that's mount tantiss, but then I thought what if this is just another Kamino facility in another biome. So glad that they named it!!
Thrawn :"My time has come"
My prediction is the zilo beast clone that we never got to see.
That would be the biggest comeback ever, haha. Would love to see it though.
@@SWFT_edits yeah
Well, you were right
"Oh, crap. We needed those." Yes, but not under the Kaminoans.
They could put the orignal Snoke in the same role that Joruus C'boath had. Palpatine's wording in Episode IX is very vague "I made Snoke." This could be a chance for Star Wars to take a mulligan on Snoke and actually flesh him out as a character.
They're going to spend the next 5 years trying to make sense of SW IX
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 The sequel trilogy desperately needs it lol
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 Go for it! If we're stuck with those movies let's try to make them better. Like what Clone Wars did for the prequels.
to this day "I don't like sand" is a cheesy phrase, whole SW IX is that, but at least something will be done to make it easier to swallow
@@lineclosed1576 This is what I have been trying to say to some people who are persistent haters on the Sequel Trilogy. Look I enjoyed it for the most part and think all the characters had some good and bad and at first I was excited for the Palpatine return (I loved the Dark Empire Comics and still own some original prints) but thought it fell a little flat when they shoehorned it in but yes this is a way to help correct that and flesh out the story the way the Clone Wars did. And I think that was always in the cards for them all along. I don't try and scream and yell at Disney the way people do for "ruining" Star Wars." Yes they are a monopoly and mega-corporate conglomerate, but that is a whole other fight. I genuinely think that while yes some poor planning had its hand in the way the ST panned out, I also think they took a queue from George and said "well even if we don't tell the viewer everything, George didn't, and he was able to get spin off shows and more material out there to help supplement and expand on that character people seemed to like but wasn't developed very well," in shows like the Clone Wars and Books. And they were dealt a bad hand when Carrie died that soooo many people don't take into consideration. Force Awakens was a rehash a little, but introduced some exciting new themes and characters and paid homage to the Expanded Universe us older geeks felt nostalgic about (Kylo being the heir that turned to the Dark side etc.). And people can say what they will about Last Jedi, I'm not here to argue that point. But Ep. IX I think was them trying to honor Carrie's legacy, make her a Jedi (essentially) and give her a lightsaber (posthumously) and have that saber and her on-screen brothers, be the thing that ultimately was what brought the Emperor down. Yes it was shoehorned in there but give them a break. It was a good concept that would have been better if Carrier were alive but now at least we can play fill in the blanks a little. My head cannon would love for them to now introduce the escaped clone of Palpatine who will someday grow up to be Rey's dad. And maybe we see an Emperor's Hand be the one to help him escape ala Mara Jade, Rey's mom. See that would help make things interesting for the Bad Batch and again satisfy some of the purists while help add some substance to the story that originally was interesting but fell flat.
I would think it would probably be more important to the mandalorian's story rather than the bad batch. Yes it's still possible Tanis could bring a huge challenge to the batch but given the timeline, it makes more sense for the mandalorian. We don't know what quality of cloning the empire had before the original trilogy but based on what we've seen in the mandalorian and episode 9, it's not great but I'm sure it's better than what they started off with. The empire could have some pretty messed up bad clones running around during this series, rebels, and the original trilogy but I think this will impact the mandalorian more than the batch. Plus as u mentioned, it'd be a great Segway to reintroduce Thrawn in the mandalorian. I feel while including him in the bad batch would be epic, it wouldn't mesh well. It would be more appropriate to include him in the mandalorian. But I trust Filoni either way
I suspect there's probably a mix. The Bad Batch probably have to assault or infiltrate the facility at some point, rescue or kill Nala Se and perhaps destroy some Imperial cloning projects, dealing Imperial cloning science a blow that it never truly recovers from. Then it can come up again in the Mandalorian, since the Empire can always just clean up the corpses and get the facility working again.
I’ve been saying since the end of mando s2 that they’re slowly moving towards a thrawn trilogy adaption. The deepfake guy being hired, deepfake Luke, tantiss, thrawn building a fleet, etc.
I’d love them to Cast Sebastian Stan as Luuke and explain the different look as part of the cloning process.
@@cm275 I don’t even know they need to do that, he looks almost identical already, they can just use a bit of cgi or something.
I truly believe that the Filoni tv-verse will lead to some remaker of the original Thrawn trilgoy, perhaps with Ezra in the role of Joruus C'baoth
Maybe a loose adaptation, but I doubt it will be very similar
That’s sick. I was just thinking how Taron malicos reminded me of cboath.
They're going to spend the next 5 years trying to make sense of SW IX
I believe that this is happening Dave is a huge heir to the empire fan
I think Ezra will become starkiller and that’s who they name the completed base after
Remember when in the Clone Wars Palpatine tasked the doctor to clone the Zillo beast and then never touched the topic again?
Well.........
I was going to say, since Tarkin okayed the destruction of Kamino, I'd be interested in seeing Palp's reaction to finding out, but he may have ordered it. Although he may not have, and this is a move by Tarkin to eradicate cloning altogether, without the Emperor's knowledge. Schemes and plans and such.
The emperor is behind everything
So excited for this reveal. I love the original Thrawn Trilogy so much, it got me into the EU and just reading in general. I really hope they do something like that with Thrawn in the live action shows. It would be great to see him present a challenge rather than the super weapon obsessed First/Final Order.
Leave it out of the new canon....they'll just basterize it like everything else they've taking from old EU. It wont be the same just like their Thrawn is just Thrawn in name only.
As someone who considers the original Thrawn trilogy one of the best Star Wars stories ever (and am currently re-reading it for the nth time), this news has me incredibly excited!
I love the look of that place
Alex boutta have to rush to make a new video for that Visions trailer lmaooo
Worth it tho
Who is boutta?
@@backtothefutureman1 not a person, boutta means 'about to' lmaooo
@@dtoonergames7450 sounded like a surname to me.
I really do forsee the bad batch going to Tantiss to break Nala Se out. That seems like something Omega would get the batch to do. But one of my hopes is that while there they have an actual encounter with the dark side, maybe Palpatine himself. Im talking about like the observatory on the planetoid in Shadowfall with Yrica Quell. And maybe when faced with the ture evil of the empire and its leader that will convince Crosshair to leave the empire or sacrafice himself for the bad batch
plot twist: it’s actually clone luke that stole grogu in mando s2
This would blow absolutely everyone's minds! Maybe a retcon to account for Luke's VFX?
Nah I hope that the sequel trilogy Luke is the clone
Luuke did not have a green lightsaber. The real one did.
That would be absolutely nuts
So R2 is also an imposter?
Why can't it be both? This is clearly meant to setup what's happening in Mando and sequel trilogy Palpatine snoke plot. It's a great way to include all fans to be invested in the story. So for anyone who hated the sequels, all this setup won't be a huge waste of time for them. It's a win win for all imo.
I was convinced that we were going to see Kamino in Mando S3 so I bet now that Din will search for answers regarding grogu's experiments and end up on Mt Tantiss
I don’t want to see a “Clone Luke”, I really hope that Thrawn uses the facility to create a clone army and fight the New Republic.
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Maybe the whole reclaiming of mandalore is just a plot from Thrawn to find the perfect template for his clone army. And maybe it will be Din Jarin ...
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I can honestly see Thrawn going to the facility, grabbing secret tech, maybe some of the clone technology, and pretty much discarding the rest. If we are going to see a clone jedi, I hope it is something the current audience would more recognize. Otherwise, there could be strong hints of cloning being used to make Snoke or Palpatine but Thrawn misses them before he ever arrives to planet Weyland.
I had no idea Mount Tantiss was a Legends location too. Cool!
I wonder if this will tie in to more of Project Harvester
I have a strong suspicion that Lucasfilm is very much setting up the pieces for their canon version of the Thrawn trilogy. The Mando-verse shows may very well culminate in an all-out war with Thrawn and cloning tech subplots revolving around Palpatine....all through the lens of Din, Ahsoka, and Bo rather than Luke, Han, and Leia. And I'm soooo hyped for it.
I agree and I hope so.
The Katana fleet was made up of Dreadnaught class cruisers, which were a popular design when the fleet was created. Maybe the design was updated by the Empire and used in a similar role to the Gozanti class cruiser.
Thanks, Alex! ⛰️
I would love to see elements of the Thrawn Trilogy make it onto the big screen. Thrawn is definitely one of the most underrated of all the villains, he just provides entertainment, and he's just a brilliant leader. However, I don't think Thrawn would personally want to fight the New Republic, as in canon he is more loyal to his people than the Empire. He regards the Empire as an "asset" to the Chiss. Maybe Thrawn is using whatever is left of the Imperial remnants to gear up for the Grysk?
I don't know where this is all headed, I don't want to overextend my hand on saying all this is building towards Thrawn creating a clone army to take on the New Republic in The Mandalorian or Sidious creating clones and/or Snoke or both. I personally didn't read Heir to the Empire but I know the story and about Wayland and Mt. Tantiss so I am excited to have more Legends elements coming back into canon. I actually have the same feeling I did when they revealed Thrawn was coming back in Rebels and I loved that return.
Whatever is going on, I'm interested to see what Nala Se will be doing for the Empire AND I have no doubt that at least for the moment, whatever she's working on will have Sidious' fingerprints all over it and he will be directly involved although I do think it would be a nice touch if there was an acoylte of his monitering the operation for him like there was in Legends or maybe even Joruus C'baoth could return, some Force sensitive being overseeing everything. Maybe it could even be an Inquisitor, they report to Vader and therefore the Emperor as well so it would make sense to have one of them keeping an eye on things, especially if Palpatine is looking into creating Force-sensitive beings.
Don't forget, there's one other famous clone we know of in canon. Well its not exactly a clone, but something we know they wanted to clone, perhaps there's one or more zillo beasts down inside that mountain as well.
I love the old thrawn trilogy. As a German, I have the advantage that we have an audio book with the original german voice actors on CD
So that Mountain is pretty big right? Could have a lot of big chambers that they’d use for cloning right? This got me thinking about something from an old Clone Wars episode. What if Palpatine had the Zillo Beast’s body moved inside that mountain and has that other doctor there as well still trying to clone it so they could use it’s scales for improved TK trooper armor, or even starship hull armor? That’s still an unresolved plot thread from Clone Wars that hasn’t been brought up in ages.
What if Luke skywalker in the final Episode was clone luke and the Real luke will appear in the first Episode of the mandalorian?
Okay, we've got Thrawn, we've got Noghri, we've got Mt. Tantiss, now we just need Joruus C'boath, Talon Karrde, and Mara Jade to have everything important from Heir to the Empire canon. Mostly Mara Jade and Talon Karrde, though.
In the episode. Does it say anything about the mountain if you turn on subtitles or audio description or something?
Great video.
It would be ballsy to bring back Luuke
A real power move tbh
I really hope we see Thrawn again in the Bad Batch, we haven’t had enough of him in cannon yet.
Consider this: what if Thrawn, or some other high ranking imperial, cloned not only troops, but also tried to create a way for Luke to have a son rather than a pure genetic clone. As we all know, one of the conditions put forth by Jango Fett was an unaltered clone for himself. This is how Boba Fett came to be. I theorize that in the Star Wars universe, it is easier to breed a force sensitive person rather than create a purely unaltered clone.
I don’t think we are getting Thrawn as a villain like old canon. He’s been portrayed more as an anti hero in his two trilogies. The Empire was a means to an end, and he didn’t want to take over the galaxy. His books CLEARLY define this. I don’t see them reverting his character back to his old canon counterpart.
If you’ve seen Rebels, Thrawn is the main villain for seasons 3 and 4
@@tanner5809 In complete contrast to the CANON books we've gotten of him. Rebels is a kids show, so of course they made Thrawn just a bad guy, because in kids show's morally grey characters don't exist. In the Thrawn books we have, he sees the empire as a means to an end to help his people fight what they're fighting, he's never cruel, never cold, and his crew respect him not out of fear but out of reverence.
@@tanner5809 While this is true from THEIR point of view, from what we personally know of him, his intentions, and his morality (as seen in his two trilogies of books), he is very much not.
He is making a bunch of MCU super villains to aid him in his fight against the new repiblic and thus Darin has to make a bunch of Avangers to stop them. And then they create a Jedi superhero in MCU.
Or wait, to much meta? Johan.
Much love ❤️
I still don’t think Snoke is a Palpatine clone. For one simple reason his name wasn’t Paalpatine.
Or Palpaatine. Or Palpatiine. So clearly, Snoke is not an Emperor clone.
Does it have to be a double vowel, or is Biggs Darklighter a clone of some guy named Bigs?
I figured I would be getting confused by all these different connected shows coming up with Thrawn involved.
Good to know they are keeping it simple by bringing Bad Batch into the mix too...
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If the Empire is interested in continuing cloning (aside from the uber top secret Palpatine clones) then I would think they'd be trying to create an obedient version of Clone Force 99/The Bad Batch. They were the only clones Tarkin seemed at all interested in as they're basically super soldiers, but their ability to question orders was a big negative for him.
I really thought the thumbnail was a picture of the dulce base
A terrible possibility, but, do you think there may be something special about Omega which might make her a test subject to throw Emperor Palatine's essence or spirit (for lack of better term) into?
This is what I have been trying to say to some people who are persistent haters on the Sequel Trilogy. Look I enjoyed it for the most part and think all the characters had some good and bad and at first I was excited for the Palpatine return (I loved the Dark Empire Comics and still own some original prints) but thought it fell a little flat when they shoehorned it in but yes this is a way to help correct that and flesh out the story the way the Clone Wars did. And I think that was always in the cards for them all along. I don't try and scream and yell at Disney the way people do for "ruining" Star Wars." Yes they are a monopoly and mega-corporate conglomerate, but that is a whole other fight. I genuinely think that while yes some poor planning had its hand in the way the ST panned out, I also think they took a queue from George and said "well even if we don't tell the viewer everything, George didn't, and he was able to get spin off shows and more material out there to help supplement and expand on that character people seemed to like but wasn't developed very well," in shows like the Clone Wars and Books. And they were dealt a bad hand when Carrie died that soooo many people don't take into consideration. Force Awakens was a rehash a little, but introduced some exciting new themes and characters and paid homage to the Expanded Universe us older geeks felt nostalgic about (Kylo being the heir that turned to the Dark side etc.). And people can say what they will about Last Jedi, I'm not here to argue that point. But Ep. IX I think was them trying to honor Carrie's legacy, make her a Jedi (essentially) and give her a lightsaber (posthumously) and have that saber and her on-screen brothers, be the thing that ultimately was what brought the Emperor down. Yes it was shoehorned in there but give them a break. It was a good concept that would have been better if Carrier were alive but now at least we can play fill in the blanks a little. My head cannon would love for them to now introduce the escaped clone of Palpatine who will someday grow up to be Rey's dad. And maybe we see an Emperor's Hand be the one to help him escape ala Mara Jade, Rey's mom. See that would help make things interesting for the Bad Batch and again satisfy some of the purists while help add some substance to the story that originally was interesting but fell flat.
I hope they do not try to retcon/explain Luke in TLJ by doing the "certain point of view" thing. The Luke we met felt off for a lot of fans and even Mark Hammel dubbed him Joe Skywalker (or something like that). I hope they do not go back and say that the Luke we saw in the sequel trilogy was actually a clone from Tantiss.
Completely different easter egg nod, was Weyland named after the corporation from Blade Runner and Alien? If so, that's a good meta nod for a place that spawns "replicants".
Can someone explain the difference between clones and strandcasts?
Just had a thought. Though unlikely, do you think it's possible that the Luke we saw in the mandalorian season 2 was actually "Luuke". I think that would kinda make sense. Din somehow finds out that jedi was a fake working for the empire and has to go try and retrieve Grogu again from the clutches of this imperial fake and from there on out keeps Grogu for good. Give him an excuse to fight with that shiny new darksaber he just got too. I may be reaching but he, who knows!
I'm sure I'm not the only one running wild with speculations but what if the severed hand of Luke served to make Rey's father, making her in a way a Skywalker by blood?
Personally I would not like that, the Found Family theme is one of the few things in TROS that works imo, and Rey's bloodline is already convoluted enough as it is :P
No intro!?
Could this be project harvester????
We have to be getting Mara jade soon with all these heir to the Empire references
It can't have anything to do with thrawn at this point because thrawn hasn't left the Chiss Ascendancy at this point when the bad batch takes place
I think the planet was Daro.
That cloning aspect could explain why all of a sudden the final order exists.
The system of Exegol probably has plenty of Humans on the planet from the Former Sith Empire.
If the empire has Luke's hand how did maze Kattana get the lightsaber?
That is a story for another time.
Disney is trying to slowly make the sequels make sense with these shows, sorta like how the prequels are remembered more fondly because of TCW. The problem is the prequels we’re always one story in George’s head that took decades to be fully realised, the sequels are spin-off cash grabs that Disney’s trying to shoe horn in
Okay but what if this version of Luuke (please don't call him that Disney) has accelerated aging and is played by Mark Hamill🤩
It would be so cool to be recast-Luke interacting with Mark Hamill as a dark side Luke clone.
2:24 where is this fact of Palpatine having Luke’s hand from
Can someone tell me how they found Luke’s hand? I still don’t know how they found the lightsaber from cloud city after his hand got severed.
Yeah but did you see the Visions trailer?
Could Ezra become some kind of Jorus C'baoth, but without being ultimately evil? Maybe Thrawn uses the Wayland Base to prepare for Palpatines Return and Ezra is willing to help him?
*edit: I meant Thrawn preparing to fight Palpatine when he returns, not helping him to do so.
Why would Ezra be willing to help Thrawn resurrect Palpatine?
@@SWFT_edits Oh my bad, wrong wording. I meant that Thrawn, might be a Enemy to Palpatine by now and tries to take control over the Imperial Remnant to stop him, since the new Republic does not seem to do anything about it.
Could be a good Way to combine the Hero Thrawn from the Books with the Villain Thrawn from Rebels, he would use harsh methods but his end goal would be understandable. *sorry for bad english, its my second language
No. We already saw Ezra’s use of the dark side in seasons 2 and 3 of Rebels. This would be a ripoff of Ezra and Maul. He rejected Palpatine and Maul’s offers
Also, let’s make it clear. Only sith or dark jedi can turn someone to the dark side. Thrawn is not a force user, so he can’t do it. Ezra may have already been a Jedi Knight or Master during his jump to the UR.
@@gavintheman856 Good point actually! But I still think it would be interesting if Ezra was working with Thrawn in some capacity, doesn't necessarily mean, that he has fallen to the dark side
@@LordNaverDrol If Thrawn and Ezra actually separated, it would be more challenging
I expect there will be horrific failed attempts at cloning. I think we'll see the remaining clone babies, but not in a good way. We might see the Emperor, but I'm hoping we don't see or hear Vader.
We might see captured Jedi and other force sensitives being experimented on. Lots of Jedi & Sith Artifacts.
And I want to see Nala Se running things but manipulating things so there isn't too much success, and the failures are so terrifying that even the Emperor agrees they must be destroyed.
Ultimately, realizing what Palpatine is after, she causes something severe to happen that will force the base to be abandoned.
I think that they would be fools not to try and adapt the thrawn trilogy. let us all look at what star wars has done so far -after the disaster of the sequel trilogy the well received rogue one and the tepid solo movie then the success of the mando shows and the obiwan series that what people want is 3 things, one -war is hell and covert ops stuff, 2 jedi doing jedi things and bounty hunters, and the thrawn trilogy could be the perfect blending of these 3 elements, first consider that the millitary elements and tactics are exactly what thrawn is known for second jedi being jedi like obi wan and luke could be done by ashoka and ezra plus mandalorians were part of the republics clone army you could weave thse together any way you like it combined on top of which you could have elements like talon kard and bounties on his crew ect. i think its the logical plan and choice and this means we might get some more characters like peleon and even a mad jedi master like cubouth
The Emperor’s clone was created by the Sith Eternal, not the Empire. Completely different faction. The Empire is doing something else.
Yeah and where do you think the Sith Eternal got all of the cloning tech and massive fleet? From the Empire, or that’s how it seemed to be explained in episode 9 lol
Clone Luke was silly? How dare you slander Luuuuuuuke!
I'm calling her Dr. Bowlcut
I have a crazy thought. What if the Luke who took Grogu isn't real Luke? What if it's clone Luke that Thrawn had already made?
Can we give Timothy Zahn some credit for all this? Guys like Dave Filoni seem to get all the credit but now they're literally taking his idea and copying it. Exceptional writer
Dave Filoni gets all the credit because he and his team bring in legends material and adapt it for animation to fit whatever story they want to tell, they’ve been doing this sorta thing for years with clone wars, Rebels, and Mando. I agree Timothy Zahn should get praise too because his books are amazing
Its Either Hier To The Empire Or It is Starkiller.
Awesome
We shall soon see an army of clone baby today!!!
I don't think we will see luuke but we will see ezra as some sort of C'boath
Dark Empire, got it.
They wouldn’t drop Mount Tantiss if it wasn’t going to play a larger role later on. It’s too big of a deal to the fans.
What?! Clone Luuuke is kinda silly?!?! How DARE you!!? 😀
Din Djarin may have handed Grogu to Luuke.
I really hope they don't botch Thrawn just to appeal to his legends lore, because the current crop of Thrawn books we have don't paint him in an evil light, more of as a brilliant military leader who sees the empire as the best bet for helping his people fight what they are fighting.
Disney said that moving forward everything would be canon, and if I read those Thrawn books, and fell in love with the characterization of the character only to have him turn up being a downright bad guy just because it will be very disheartening.
Long live the empire
I really hope its nothing about snoke and "the emperor" clone. I like to pretend those (especially the emperor) didnt exist... I try not to think those last 2 movies are at all canon lol
The answer: Secret Tunnel!!!!
Beware of the old man at the foot of the mountain. Lord Joruus C'baoth 🤪
Either it Tantiss or Tant-isn’t, am I right?......... I’ll see myself out...
I don't see WHY we couldn't have like the first crossover event of this new Thrawn trilogy be the Katana Fleet, just saying 😉
What if the emperor Cloned Darth maul
Cloning continues to fascinate me.
Prolly a jet pack.
Heir of the Empire live action cross over event, featuring Mandalorian and Rebels character coming 2024. Just saying.
Grandad Miral Thrawn
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Core name: Dadmiralt.
Me who knows Star wars heirs of the empire
Filoni is the true heir.
Hopefully, this new timeline will veer away from the sequel trilogy and back toward the Expanded Universe.