How Rogue Squadron CAPTURED a SSD at Thyferra! - Star Wars Battle Breakdown

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024

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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  3 года назад +365

    Y'all asked and I delivered. Let's get this video to 100k and I'll do another breakdown this coming week!

    • @thetexanjedi95
      @thetexanjedi95 3 года назад +3

      I remember reading this years ago as a kid! The Alderaanian cruisers were always so cool to me.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 3 года назад +2

      @9:00 "Immediately noticing the new Republic Presence." You meant to say Thyferra Liberation Fleet, right?
      Edit: @10:35 "and to the surprise of the Empire..." You meant to say surprise to the Admiral of the Lusyanka and his staff, right?
      Edit 2: You keep talking about Rogue Squadron, but they had the Twi'leks, the Gand, and the fighter compliment from the Freedom as support. That's enough fighters to provide escort for the torpedo raids (and for the freighters), and the Tie Bombers probably did damage themselves, with freighters possibly using their telemetry too.

    • @SunSheepOfLight
      @SunSheepOfLight 3 года назад

      Justin can you please do a Super Star Destroyer vs The Earth? I mean like all of the Earth’s Military combined against a Super Star Destroyer.

    • @ChosenUndead0
      @ChosenUndead0 3 года назад +1

      Hey eckhart what do you use to create the maps of the battles?

    • @421rationalargument4
      @421rationalargument4 3 года назад +3

      Is that the Battlestar Galactica I see at 5:53

  • @stormchaser4249
    @stormchaser4249 3 года назад +654

    Isard: *takes over Thyferra and the bacta supply*
    New Republic: *refuses to do anything*
    Rogue Squadron: Fine, we'll do it ourselves.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 3 года назад +26

      They refused to do anything... because... politics. (Also, the author needed Rogue Squadron to do it on their own... plot holes exist... some can't be ignored.)
      I think the plot holes in the four books were created because the author was rushed into writing the plot and the books to meet the deadline he didn't know existed as he wasn't informed that he won the bid to write the first four novels until Lucasfilm reached out to him and informed him they there were a few days before the deadline.

    • @antonioabreu5736
      @antonioabreu5736 3 года назад +7

      *Fine, we'll do it ourselves, AGAIN

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 3 года назад +5

      And then New Republic takes all credit.

    • @Werrf1
      @Werrf1 3 года назад +17

      @@aralornwolf3140 They refused to do anything ...because...politics. And because they knew that Rogue Squadron, who had just finished taking down Coruscant from the inside using a bit of slicing and a handful of Z-95s, would do it for them off the books. I mean, come on - they're _rebels._

    • @BennyLlama39
      @BennyLlama39 3 года назад +4

      Also Rogue Squadron: And then we'll replace the entire ineffective "government". : )

  • @RoTenken
    @RoTenken 3 года назад +84

    Freedom Officer: "They aren't paying us enough for this".
    Freedom Captain: "Then let's survive so that we demand more"
    God, I read this almost 20 years ago and I remembered vaguely some of the details. But you summed them up perfectly. Thanks for the trip back in time.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 2 года назад +6

      So really, Freedom isn't Free.

  • @Mashtorful
    @Mashtorful 3 года назад +73

    This is epic Eck!
    One of my favourite bait & heists of the Legends era, with my favourite pilots - so happy you covered this one!

  • @TheJaniebear
    @TheJaniebear 3 года назад +2

    This might be one of Michael Stackpole's best novels. He did a really good job setting up the surprise, for both Imperials and the readers. That is also one of my favorite battles. Awesome job explaining everything.

  • @AgnesIona
    @AgnesIona 3 года назад

    Thanks for this. The X-Wing series are my favorite Star Wars books, and among my favorite books of all time. Thanks for visual representations. It makes me very happy.

  • @herbertphillips1383
    @herbertphillips1383 3 года назад +7

    I like to think you look my comment(on the last video) to heart. THANK YOU!!!❤️

  • @jacobhouse1521
    @jacobhouse1521 3 года назад

    Yes a new Battle Breakdown video it's been along time since you made one.
    I hope you keep making alot more in the future.

  • @csxfan_
    @csxfan_ 3 года назад

    I love the use of silhouettes from other videos and franchises for the freighter fleet. I see a UNSC frigate, either a UNSC Halcyon or Marathon class, the Galactica, a klingon bird of prey, the Millennium Falcon, possibly a ship from babylon 5? Cool little easter eggs

  • @VegetaLF7
    @VegetaLF7 3 года назад

    One of my favorite moments about one of my favorite ships from one of my favorite book series. I fucking love the Lusankya and the X-Wing series.

  • @razgriz501
    @razgriz501 3 года назад

    Battle breakdown of an X-Wing series novel? Yes please!

  • @millenniumf1138
    @millenniumf1138 3 года назад

    Huh, I had no idea the Galactica and the Galaxy Gun were present as part of the ragtag fleet of freighters... they no doubt benefited from Admiral Adama's venerable command experience.

  • @timderoche7838
    @timderoche7838 3 года назад

    The book I'm about to read has this in it XD love the series, I just took a break from rogue squadron to read my newest acquisition, Tarkin

  • @scoman91
    @scoman91 3 года назад

    I remember reading in my own research that the reason the New Republic was reluctant to pursue military action against Isard was because Zsinj was an active threat and would pounce on Coruscant if the NR fleet moved out in any significant force. Though I've never actually read the books themselves so it could be another one of those retroactive explanations done to correct plot holes.

    • @Vnx
      @Vnx 3 года назад

      I have read the books, and I don't specifically remember that being mentioned but it is possible I forgot. Zsinj was definitely seen as a major threat by the New Republic at that point, and it was specifically mentioned that Zsinj was why the New Republic had to figure out how to take Courscant with minimal damage to its defenses, lest Zsinj try to take the planet in turn from the New Republic.

    • @AgnesIona
      @AgnesIona 3 года назад

      There were a lot of imperial warlords, including Zsinj. More importantly, at least from the Rogues point of view, there was a lot of political infighting happening within the New Republic high command. The NR was also becoming extremely drained as it dealt with the galaxy-wide bio-virus and the panic that went along with it; and a whole other wasp nest's of political issues that came from factions created from dealing with the bio-virus.
      The rogues actually have fun with the "freedom" they gain by going rouge (resigning) because they don't have to deal with the politicians for awhile. (Among other things, they all get their x-wings personalized paint jobs and new identification codes--a small fun thing that turns into a much larger funnier thing later.)
      If you only have time or motivation to read only one series or book of the EU, I recommend picking the X-wing series. (There are technically two arcs, each by different authors, both good. This all happens in the first arch.)

    • @scoman91
      @scoman91 3 года назад

      @@AgnesIona I was more commenting on the fact that the Republic's non-intervention reason that's apparently given in the books is really flimsy and I'd found alternative explanations. I used Zsinj since he was the strongest single warlord at the time and had his own SSD. I don't really count Kaine and the PA because they were isolationist.

    • @AgnesIona
      @AgnesIona 3 года назад

      @@scoman91 Yeah. I can see that.

  • @jordanpeterson2001
    @jordanpeterson2001 3 года назад

    6:00 Can anyone else see the battlestar Galactical in the group directly above the station or is it just me?

  • @minizimi3790
    @minizimi3790 3 года назад

    With the Battlestar Galactica in your fleet, any Imperials don't stand a chance.

  • @TalosCreations
    @TalosCreations 3 года назад

    Anyone else notice the Battlestar, Halo Frigate and others at 7:58

  • @jackm.7094
    @jackm.7094 3 года назад

    God I love the X-Wing series so much

  • @benwarren4228
    @benwarren4228 3 года назад

    Admiral thrawn vs admiral Cole. Who would win

  • @davidhollenbeck9227
    @davidhollenbeck9227 Год назад

    Is it me or does the silhouette of one of the freighters look suspiciously like a Battlestar?

  • @awesomesharkguy
    @awesomesharkguy 3 года назад

    Very enjoy, much like

  • @Ajhale12
    @Ajhale12 2 года назад

    What do you use for your the videos. As like the layouts

  • @M26IsBestTonkFightMe
    @M26IsBestTonkFightMe 3 года назад

    Wow i didnt know the galaxy gun was a freighter

  • @phalanx3803
    @phalanx3803 3 года назад +193

    they way the captain died made me laugh the guy was probably like " OH HELL NO! i ain't dieing for your power trip"

    • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
      @grandadmiralzaarin4962 3 года назад +32

      It's funny as Admiral Drommel's subordinate killed him for similar reasons and turned over the Super Star Destroyer Guardian to the New Republic, so the New Republic got both its Star Dreadnoughts because a sane subordinate executed their insane commander and surrendered the ships rather than kamikaze pointlessly.

    • @demi-femme4821
      @demi-femme4821 3 года назад +21

      Just imagine that guy shouts "all in favour of mutiny?" and everyone raises their hands.

    • @ZKP314
      @ZKP314 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@demi-femme4821The Captain: Ooooohhh Noooooooo

  • @Jessie_Helms
    @Jessie_Helms 3 года назад +436

    A: “Are we the baddies?”
    B: “no, don’t be ridiculous. Why would you ask that?”
    A: “well, I’m a _storm trooper_ working on a star _destroyer_ named _The Corrupter”_
    B: “yeah I don’t see it.”
    Edit:
    A: “you’re right, let’s go back to guarding this ship so we can withhold medical supplies from trillions of people who’re suffering from our bio weapon :) “
    *whistles imperial march*

    • @DraconimLt
      @DraconimLt 3 года назад +46

      C: ''Why are you asking this now? Why didn't you ask this question when you were posted on the Avarice, Devastator or the Death Star?''

    • @TheNobleFive
      @TheNobleFive 3 года назад +19

      tHE emPiRe diD nOTHinG WrONg

    • @Jessie_Helms
      @Jessie_Helms 3 года назад +18

      @@TheNobleFive ikr.
      _An empire_ may have been best for the galaxy _in hindsight_ knowing about all the extra galactic threats, but _the Empire_ was irredeemably evil, founded upon a false war, built on the bones of a religious genocide, and ushered in by a slave army which kept power through fear and was run by space-satan.

    • @simonnance
      @simonnance 3 года назад +11

      There is an in-universe explanation for this in one of the Legends books (can't for the life of me remember which).
      Basically Palpatine did it deliberately. The outwardly "for the good of the galaxy" spin on Imperial actions through propaganda with the undertone of evil from things like ship names etc provided a dark side twist to the entire imperial armed forces that pleased him.

    • @wilhufftarkin8543
      @wilhufftarkin8543 3 года назад +17

      To be fair, destroyer is a ship class. A star destroyer is not a destroyer of stars but a destroyer in the stars. Like star cruiser or starfighter.

  • @ades4life797
    @ades4life797 3 года назад +133

    Yes!!!! Battle Breakdowns are the reason I started watching this channel. Great work Eck!

  • @mrmacguff1n
    @mrmacguff1n 3 года назад +120

    The OG Stackpole Rogue Squadron books were always my favorite Star Wars stories

    • @timberwolf1575
      @timberwolf1575 3 года назад +8

      They are good, clean action novels. I think they are the novel equivalents of very good popcorn movies. Very entertaining and easy to read, but not necessarily pinnacles of literary art.

    • @eruk4678
      @eruk4678 3 года назад +3

      same bro

    • @mrmacguff1n
      @mrmacguff1n 3 года назад +4

      @@timberwolf1575 fair point, and since I was ten when I started them, it was a good fit. Same with his Battletech series

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 года назад +3

      I slightly prefer Allston's. Better funny moments, better sad moments.

    • @miserychickadee
      @miserychickadee 3 года назад +6

      ​@@timberwolf1575 In other words, they perfectly encapsulate the spirit of the Star Wars movies themselves. There's no shame in doing something simple exceptionally well, and I think most people looking for "pinnacles" in some high art sense probably aren't going to be looking for that in something called "the X-wing series."
      Like, "oh, this taco is good, but it's not a $100 aged steak."
      Why does it have to be? Why even bring that up? Why can't it just be a really good taco?

  • @everythingiscool6228
    @everythingiscool6228 3 года назад +224

    This series is back yes I’m fees much nostalgia

  • @cmangus8139
    @cmangus8139 3 года назад +221

    I see the Galactica managed to sneak it’s way into the freighter group…

    • @AesonDaandryk
      @AesonDaandryk 3 года назад +12

      Came here for this!

    • @acephantom903
      @acephantom903 3 года назад +8

      Saw that too. Glad someone else saw it. lol

    • @Lambomurcielago670
      @Lambomurcielago670 3 года назад +17

      I see she also has backup with the Forward Unto Dawn and a klingon bird of prey?

    • @AC4ace
      @AC4ace 3 года назад +13

      @@Lambomurcielago670 Forward Unto Dawn? Yes. Bird of Prey? No, you're seeing either a Marauder-class corvette or the Ebon Hawk from KOTOR. But somehow the Rogues got their hands on the Galaxy Gun, even though it wouldn't be built for several years.

    • @seankean4101
      @seankean4101 3 года назад +1

      @@AesonDaandryk so did Adama

  • @jackbinkleymusic
    @jackbinkleymusic 3 года назад +50

    ITS BACK! I love this series so very much and I can’t express how utterly ecstatic I am that this has made a return!

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 3 года назад

      Not just the books, supposedly it's getting the live action treatment too. 🤞

  • @bennychesney7185
    @bennychesney7185 3 года назад +19

    Who can name all the ships in the representation box for the freighter fleet? I see a few ships from other series and I love it!

    • @seawind930
      @seawind930 3 года назад +5

      He had what looked like a miniature Galactica, the Ebon Hawk, a Frigate from Halo, a Marauder class corvette, a Rendilli Drive yards Dreadnought and the Millennium Falcon. Sos if I missed one.

    • @iamaveryepicman771
      @iamaveryepicman771 2 года назад +1

      @@seawind930 Im sure that i see the galaxy gun

  • @userequaltoNull
    @userequaltoNull 3 года назад +118

    Honestly, I think that Star Wars has a real problem with "good guy" factions making *really* bad strategic decisions.
    "We just won the latest in a millennia-long series of brutal wars against an evil and powerful enemy. We should immediately dismantle the military"
    "We just won a costly war against a powerful and evil enemy, which lurked under our noses for the last 1000 years. Let's dismantle our military"
    Lots of other bad decisions.

    • @Verbose_Mode
      @Verbose_Mode 3 года назад +15

      A lot of the time, they need to scale back their military so they don't become an echo of the very faction they just defeated, but they often go to far and don't take any measures to prevent another group from militarizing and radicalizing.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 3 года назад +21

      Honestly, until Sequel Trilogy, Star Wars didn't have a problem with overly downgrading their navies post war.
      Maintaining a navy is expensive... and when one doesn't have a foe to combat, then the extra ships are a drain of financial, material, and population resources.
      Look at what the vast majority of nations did with their navies post WWI and WWII.
      After WWI, there was a treaty signed by the participants which reduced the size of their fleets and mandated a maximum ship size for capital ships (ignore the false classifications in Star Wars, capital ships are battlecruisers and larger).
      The outliers of that trend (post WWII) were the belligerents of the Cold War... even then, only the USA has maintained a War Fleet while being relatively at peace on the seas... Aircraft Carrier groups make for expensive anti-piracy task groups. Which is why the complaints about USA military spending is very vocal by the civilian population.
      In Legends, the Old Republic won a war... and then had a 1,000 years of peace, so it didn't need a navy with large amounts of capital ships... it just needed enough of them in strategic locations (shipyards, supply depots, fleet bases, important systems, etc.) to be able to respond to any threat quickly with just the available capital ships.
      Most of the navy would be corvettes, frigates, and destroyers which are the ships designed for anti-piracy patrols and they call in cruisers when they identify pirate bases. Only pirates with strong financial backing (being used as mercenaries/privateers) would be able to have ships capable of seriously threatening medium combatants (light and heavy cruisers). The expense of maintaining a capital ship would be beyond them.
      When the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo, which was an act of war, the Chancellor didn't involve the Republic Navy because he wanted to end the conflict with negotiations (a settlement to end the crisis peacefully) instead of dealing with civil war.
      In the aftermath of the Trade Federation's failure, their droid command ships were removed from their possession by the Republic (later used by Admiral Tarkin to assault a neutral planet... which escaped into hyperspace) stripping them of their ability to protect many of their installations.
      At the start of the Clone Wars the Trade Federation convinced thousands of other systems to cede from the Republic, while they were building new droids and droid command ships. This violation of the treaty forced the Republic to declare the CIS to be a threat and mobilized their navy to deal with them... although the Republic was caught by surprise, it still had enough capital ships that the two sides had parity. Once the Republic started to get new ships, new soldiers trained, the war was going to be lost by the CIS, so they attacked Coruscant (which ended the Clone Wars and the Republic).
      The Galactic Civil War ended, which lasted for more than 15 years, with a peace treaty between the much reduced Empire and the New Republic. The only opponents the New Republic had were minor War Lords which they didn't need a large fleet to crush so they reduced their fleet strength to a much more reasonable level.
      The only time the New Republic reduced their fleet strength too much was at the time of Ambush at Corellia when a third of their commissioned "in service" ships were in dock hands. They weren't available to squash that rebellion promptly. Added to the complication was a system wide (light month+ wide) interdiction field and systems with habitable planets were being destroyed (which tied up the Republic's resources as the ships they used to get refugees out of those systems were the same ships required to service a fleet they needed to deal with the threat).
      However, after several months, certainly less than a year, the Republic did have a fleet large enough to destroy/capture the rebel's ships at Centerpoint Station.
      Looking at the Sequel Trilogy...
      The Empire was utterly defeated, due to Operation Cinder and ships heading off to form the First Order, in a single year. The remaining Imperial holdouts surrendered and they signed a peace treaty drastically reducing the fleet strength and prohibiting proton torpedoes (instead of "death star tech"). After about 30 years of peace and totally ignoring the First Order's activities, and the materials the First Order needed to build a fleet, let alone a planet sized super weapon, the New Republic Navy was utterly destroyed with Not-Coruscant. Leaving the Resistance, with 1 capital ship, to defeat the First Order by itself.
      Then, a year later, they find out that the Final Order also built thousands, possibly tens of thousands of ships, each using "death star tech" and are capable of destroying entire planets. They simply sat around in a planetary atmosphere so that JJ Abrams can have a climatic victory by the Rebels 2.0 over Palpatine against all rationally written odds.
      But, who knows what happens after this... as the entire galaxy was destroyed by fans everywhere.

    • @CABRALFAN27
      @CABRALFAN27 2 года назад +10

      @@michaelandreipalon359 Eh, you say "war allergic civvies", but I mean, they're pretty justifiable in being anti-war. The whole point of the Rebellion was to destroy the Empire and restore the Republic, and besides, like other people have said, maintaining a standing army/navy that big can't be cheap. If there was no immediate need to have a standing army, and it was unpopular with the people, any decent government would downscale it at least.

    • @ImThePerson0
      @ImThePerson0 2 года назад +1

      The demilitarization in canon I found even more silly. Like, why would they even do that at all? It’s so stupid.

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul Год назад

      The Ruusan Reformation dismantled a central Republic fleet in exchange for lots of large planetary defence forces, which made sense when trying to defend against a overwhelming Sith fleet, but it also made it easier for individual planets and systems to secede, and limited the Republic's offensive capabilities. But it did make some sense in light of what happened during the New Sith Wars.
      The New Republic's strategy of complete demilitarization and turning a blind eye to everything is basically a trauma effect of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, but it was idiotic strategically.
      These two are very different.

  • @carternorton2682
    @carternorton2682 3 года назад +25

    I appreciate that you gave a lot of the context around just battle instead of just jumping in, especially cause it’s legends and I don’t now that stuff in depth

  • @evandealy3493
    @evandealy3493 3 года назад +19

    after so many years..my favorite series is back!!

  • @antonioabreu5736
    @antonioabreu5736 3 года назад +20

    I was expecting it to be cool but this was a whole other level. Amazing battle and even better video!

  • @awatermelone
    @awatermelone 3 года назад +16

    It is awesome to see more of this content from you, I am so happy. BTW, the battle-star Galactica is in one of the fleet box things I find that pretty cool.

  • @Excalibur01
    @Excalibur01 3 года назад +9

    This story makes more sense than "The Resistance" in the sequel movies. Or Rogue squadron is doing what the lore of the sequel movies is telling us instead of showing us.

  • @Dreadnaught1070
    @Dreadnaught1070 3 года назад +11

    I loved the battle at Alderaan in the book. The appearance of the Valiant and the destruction of the Corrupter had me whooping and hollering when I first read it. I also loved the wordplay of the capital ship names with Wedge having the final killing blow to the Corrupter!

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 3 года назад +13

    Fleet battle
    Rebel fleet at Endor vs. Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand

  • @yamureska
    @yamureska 3 года назад +9

    I really love the contrast between Sair Yonka (Freedom) and Joak Drysso (Lusankya). Both Captains refuse to surrender despite their ships taking beatings, but Yonka convinces his Men that they’re fighting for their lives and Freedom (Pun intended), whereas Drysso is obsessed with Personal glory and doesn’t care about his Men. Yonka wins but Drysso gets mutinied.

  • @UnintentionalSubmarine
    @UnintentionalSubmarine 3 года назад +4

    5:48
    Hah I see what you did there, Galactica and a Vor'cha. Surely some of the others are also out-of-universe ships. :D

  • @andycopeland7051
    @andycopeland7051 3 года назад +4

    The X-WING books are some of the finest works of the EU. Great video man keep it up

  • @SeanMather
    @SeanMather 3 года назад +9

    Great choice of battle. I’d love for Booster to make a return, he was a blast, and the idea of a civilian ISD is too good not to use.

  • @anshpatel7719
    @anshpatel7719 3 года назад +7

    Hey I have a question could you do a battle breakdown of the battle of Cato Nimodia

  • @willowlucey893
    @willowlucey893 3 года назад +4

    Wait! When did Rogue Squadron get a Battlestar?

  • @Vermilionleader
    @Vermilionleader 3 года назад +8

    As a fan of the rogue squadron book series, I have BEEN waiting for years for this scenario to be explained!

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 3 года назад +27

    Fleet battle between
    Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin
    Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.

    • @allnamesaretakenful
      @allnamesaretakenful 3 года назад

      Is Thrawn in possession of Human Art?

    • @patrickmcginty3234
      @patrickmcginty3234 3 года назад +1

      @@allnamesaretakenful I'm pretty sure Thrawn would be able to acquire examples of it relatively easily.

    • @TheWingland
      @TheWingland 3 года назад

      @@allnamesaretakenful it’s a one off battle with neither admiral knowing anything about the other.

    • @scoman91
      @scoman91 3 года назад +2

      I feel like it would only be a matter of how long before the battle devolved into Ender ramming his ships into Thrawn's. That was pretty much his defining genius tactic.

    • @thelordofcringe
      @thelordofcringe 3 года назад

      @@scoman91 yeah. OSC couldn't write space battles, idk why. I haven't read more than the next 2 or 3 books but I don't remember him improving in that respect.

  • @lieutenantdan9337
    @lieutenantdan9337 3 года назад +10

    Anything involving SSDs on this channel brings back tons of nostalgia.

  • @atreinero
    @atreinero 3 года назад +3

    Did the Rogues also have access to a Battlestar? Because I see a Jupiter-Class

  • @hummerskickass
    @hummerskickass 3 года назад +117

    This strategy was tactically brilliant. You could not have asked for a better outcome. The empire lost 2 ISDs and one Super Star Destroyer, an absolutely massive material and military loss for the empire. One that drastically increased the power of the new republics military in turn. I love these battle breakdowns.

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 3 года назад +7

      The strategy was based on (what happens too often) imperial incompetence, thus it was actually bad. Your strategy should never rely on your enemy doing only as you want them to.
      That it worked was down to a heavy dose of plot armour and imperial incompetence.
      So you have a fleet of small ships, none of which can stand up to an ISD in a direct firefight, and you put them up against something that out guns an ISD 50 to 1, and your entire plan is "I hope they keep switching targets". It could have just targeted the entire fleet at once and finished them off without any effort really. On the occasions it focussed fire on a ship, it would have melted that ship in a single volley, your talking about over (saying only 25% of weapons can target a ship at once) 500 turbolasers, 500 heavy turbo lasers, 60 ion cannons, that volley would kill an ISD (and the 2 more behind it).
      Also hiding near the engines, the engines are covered by more firepower than an ISD can bring to bear. A SSD is litterally covered in guns and has no real blind spots unlike ISD's, size let's you fix those issues.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 3 года назад +1

      @@cgi2002 Well, it was obvious that either A) it didn't matter all that much, because SSDs just aren't that impressive, or B) the Imperials screwed up by the numbers.
      Either way, the idea that it 'drastically' increased the power of the New Republic's military is silly; they got one _Imperial_ out of the tens of thousands in service and a crippled _Executor_ that probably would take almost as long to repair as a new build would take (although, admittedly, I don't think the Republic had a shipyard capable of building an _Executor_ hull from scratch at that point.)
      Then again, IIRC, the _Lusankya_ wasn't built in a shipyard but by the power of urban renewal, so...

    • @SWY1356
      @SWY1356 2 года назад

      @@boobah5643 even then the lusankya was still fully repaired and even upgraded, it helped alot in the battle against the yuuzhan vong war, SSD's are that impressive as they need an insane amount of firepower to take down, and high risk strategies, and are even more dangerous when accompanied by a fleet, rogue squadron was lucky that the 2 isds that the lusankya once had were on their side

    • @robland3253
      @robland3253 Год назад

      @@boobah5643 it was built in a shipyard (both fondor and kuat claimed to have built the executor) fondor version was then renamed, buried via sith majic??? And was supposed to be palpatines getaway ship

    • @AAhmou
      @AAhmou Год назад

      @@robland3253 Maybe the Super Star Destroyer has been secretly assembled ? The books do point out that the Empire has been remodeling the place left and right. One way to do it is to sneak the parts needed, and build them down there. Like for example by repurposing those massive skyscraper building drones.
      The big plot hole either way is how could it have been kept as a complete secret considering the possible amount of people involved.

  • @9skyman945
    @9skyman945 3 года назад +3

    0:35 Hello, Battlestar there at the top there, in that group the Falcon is with

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie 3 года назад +4

    The Bacta War is my most favourite plotline in the Rogue Squadron series, second only to Wraith Squadron. So much planning and tactics and also multiple returning characters and places from earlier in the books

    • @paulrasmussen8953
      @paulrasmussen8953 3 года назад +1

      I add Iron Fist there to

    • @bitharne
      @bitharne Год назад +1

      @@paulrasmussen8953 razors kiss was a great plot line; especially with the Wraiths involved (love that crew).

  • @meepmeep8035
    @meepmeep8035 3 года назад +6

    I especially enjoy these legends battle breakdowns. Because we see canon battles on a screen already, but in legends we only have books.

  • @nobleman9393
    @nobleman9393 3 года назад +2

    Video Idea: CSA-Assault Carrier vs Ori Mothership(Halo vs StarGate)

    • @Arashmickey
      @Arashmickey 3 года назад

      Mr. Eckhart, listen to the Duke of Wellington, or else he might punch you softly.

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 3 года назад +2

    #AskEck
    *Ship vs ship battle:*
    The Retribution-class battleship *(Warhammer 40k)* vs the UNSC Infinity *(Halo)*

  • @carlos_takeshi
    @carlos_takeshi 3 года назад +3

    I was glad to see this video. I've been re-reading the series. I just got to Isard's Revenge. It's been super fun to dip back into the stories and visit old friends again.

  • @ulriccsilber173
    @ulriccsilber173 3 года назад +2

    Damn Rouge was even able to secure a Battlestar and a UNSC frigate.

  • @johnj.spurgin7037
    @johnj.spurgin7037 3 года назад +3

    Yeah, the NR,'s refusal to pursue ANY public and official action against Isard after her deployment of hyper-virulent biowebiowr against numerous civilian populations is one of their first big failings as a government. It was shameful.

    • @jayvhoncalma3458
      @jayvhoncalma3458 3 года назад

      What did you expect the head of state is damn pacifism

    • @SudrianTales
      @SudrianTales 2 года назад

      That or there was a fear Isard would bombard Thyfera if anything turned against her burning the bacta

  • @Phoenix1Leader
    @Phoenix1Leader 3 года назад +4

    I have waited for years for you to finally breakdown what’s possibly my favorite battle from my all-time favorite book series!!

  • @renderproductions1032
    @renderproductions1032 3 года назад +2

    Damn I love Star Wars
    (The sequels aren’t truly Star Wars in my eyes.)

  • @Donkringel
    @Donkringel 3 года назад +2

    Man it's so weird hearing other people pronounce words you've only read in books.

  • @jasonbond4591
    @jasonbond4591 3 года назад +2

    LOVED the Rogue Squadron books growing up as the star fighter battles were always one of the best parts of Star Wars. Coran Horn was a badass and his trip to becoming a Jedi was awesome to see. Time for a reread!

  • @Speedster___
    @Speedster___ 3 года назад +1

    For those who don’t know Pash Cracken is the son of Aiden Cracken who’s essentially the NR head of CIA. He’s an A-wing ace.
    He also was briefly a Rogue Squadron member as he wanted to test himself.

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 3 года назад +1

    #AskEck
    *(876)*
    *Factions versus battle:*
    The Imperium of Man -
    *(Warhammer 40k)*
    Vs.
    The Forerunners -
    *(Halo)*

  • @Werrf1
    @Werrf1 3 года назад +4

    The text battles in Star Wars always feel more epic to me. I think it's because they actually show extensive damage to the ships, while the films generally just have the ships randomly blow up in one go.

    • @theevildrummingsithlord1492
      @theevildrummingsithlord1492 Год назад

      Films are limited by the budget; books are limited by the imagination of the authors.

    • @bitharne
      @bitharne Год назад

      Kell Tainer trying to rescue Admiral Ackbars niece was the pinnacle for me. One of the best scenes in a Star Wars book from an action angle seeing what a determined pilot could do; and an emotional aspect of just how utterly decimating it can be to fail when doing everything right (Picards, legendary, line to Data in TNG).

  • @legolegion9007
    @legolegion9007 3 года назад +2

    Did anyone else think they stole a solid state drive?

  • @singletona082
    @singletona082 3 года назад +1

    With all the stupidity that was the new republic in legends...
    I have a feeling disney sequel era would have actively sabotaged rouge squadron's efforts, denied the krytos virus was a thing, and done other things to make it even HARDER to fix the problem.

  • @SRXofChaos
    @SRXofChaos 3 года назад +1

    Technically while officially later was backed by the New Republic The Bacta War was fought by Rogue Squadron who had entirely Resigned there commissions after the Government refused to go after Isard who was now the defacto Ruler of Thyferra as the House that backed the Empire looked to her for advice it's been a few years sense I last read the Rogue Squadron books (as I prefer the Wrath Squadron Trilogy more) but I remember this quite well as The Bacta War was the first book I collected in the series

  • @jcastagnetta
    @jcastagnetta 3 года назад +2

    This was the book series that got me into the star wars expanded universe so many years ago. Thanks for this video Ecks, well done.

  • @jonathansevier1988
    @jonathansevier1988 3 года назад +4

    The rogue squadron series is still one of my fav sagas from star wars to this day. I love the non Jedi perspectives and fighter jock attitude. Would love to see you do more battle breakdowns from this series

    • @jonathansevier1988
      @jonathansevier1988 3 года назад

      Additionally have you ever thought about doing ground battle breakdowns or Lightfights as Corran calls them in Rouges squadron

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 3 года назад +2

    Vs matchup Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)
    Johnson gets Br 55, 1 m6 sidearm and marine BDU
    Rex gets DC 15 rifle his pistols and phase 2 clone armor

  • @Tomreese130
    @Tomreese130 3 года назад +3

    Love the battle breakdowns especially from Legends! Bravo Eck!

  • @angry_eck
    @angry_eck 3 года назад +1

    I'm sorry but why is there the Galactica a Paris class and the ebon hawk in the still of the empress station

  • @jeffbrewer1580
    @jeffbrewer1580 3 года назад +2

    I kinda hate these warlord series as an adult. In most of the books the enemy is dumb/unimaginative and the good guys don't ever loose or even take significant losses. Not how a war works at all.

    • @seawind930
      @seawind930 3 года назад

      Yeah but then I watch things like the Clone Wars and Rebels and I realize that's just how Star Wars is. It's not very intelligent or thought provoking but the explosions are cool.

    • @jeffbrewer1580
      @jeffbrewer1580 3 года назад +1

      @@seawind930 i know and I loved the books as a kid, but it gets old as an adult. It's why i loved the yuuzan vong series for the most part. When they killed off chewbacca i knew ish got real

  • @robbievulcan9564
    @robbievulcan9564 3 года назад +2

    This was a difficult one to explain and I think you laid it out as well as one could hope for in a short video.

  • @Yoko_Grim
    @Yoko_Grim 3 года назад +1

    Lusankya: "It's over! You can't survive for much longer! You can't defeat me!"
    Rogue Squadron: "Well, he can!"
    *Virulence Appears, escorted by A-Wings*
    Lusankya: "No! It can't be!"

  • @gabrote42
    @gabrote42 3 года назад +1

    Now THIS is my content
    12:46 MVP Officer

  • @zacrussell609
    @zacrussell609 3 года назад +1

    Man i so wish you could capture SSD's in Thrawns revenge, in my most recent New Republic Campaign i killed 4 in the space of three game weeks (2 generic, Zinji and Issard) and i am just sitting here going man this would be so much easier if i had my own Executor

  • @darthrizzen9349
    @darthrizzen9349 3 года назад +1

    I've got to re-read the Rogue Squadron books now. Thanks!😁

  • @bradhedgehog12
    @bradhedgehog12 3 года назад +2

    Hey! Isn’t that the SSD I have Well we have on The Game Mod Thrawns Revenge?

  • @eddieram435
    @eddieram435 3 года назад +1

    Uncessesary plot armor is the answer...Some of these EU elements sound so dumb and stupid. Rather have the warship scuttled before handing it over to the Vietcong as Commie George once compared the rebels in one of his interviews.

  • @xxvaltielxx1789
    @xxvaltielxx1789 3 года назад +1

    All this nostalgic crap from the EU makes me want to see how factions from the different universes would fare against each other, Disney's New Republic Vs an organized Imperial Remnant, i think putting Thrawn in charge would be overkill AND a properly established EU's New Republic Vs the First Order
    Hopefully Eck gets the idea one day, i don't remember if he has done this

  • @thecelestialpoet6169
    @thecelestialpoet6169 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for a battle breakdown Eck! :)

  • @ewok40k
    @ewok40k 3 года назад +1

    Rogue Squadron series was my fave after Thrawn Trilogy.
    Plenty of ship and starfighter action, awesome characters, and much of the story of how Empire lost Coruscant and Rebels started setting up New Republic for good.

  • @Excalibur01
    @Excalibur01 3 года назад +1

    It would be nice if they made a Rogue Squadron movie based on this plot

    • @AgnesIona
      @AgnesIona 3 года назад

      If done well, the X-Wing Series made into a "TV" or movie series would make my decade. So much good stuff. Could easily make each book into its own mini series.

  • @alexanderleach3365
    @alexanderleach3365 Год назад +1

    I'm surprised how even the Rogue Squadron captured a mass super star destroyer with a crew hundreds of thousands.

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 Год назад

      The ship was pounded into submission and surrendered. The Rogues didn't take the ship, Wedge's coalition did.

  • @davidduggan6391
    @davidduggan6391 3 года назад +1

    did everyone miss the battlestar in the image

  • @Sporz18
    @Sporz18 3 года назад +1

    No offense but… hanged in the balance

  • @ryangarcia985
    @ryangarcia985 3 года назад +2

    YES! MORE BREAKDOWNS!!!!

  • @Blaze-sy5ue
    @Blaze-sy5ue 3 года назад +2

    Now THIS would make a interesting Star Wars game

  • @koopanique
    @koopanique 3 года назад +1

    What a great breakdown! This is awesome content. I wish we could have witnessed this battle in live-action

  • @oldrelic2690
    @oldrelic2690 3 года назад

    Why is a Columbia class Battlestar and also a Paris class frigate part of the fleet at yag'dhul?

  • @DraconimLt
    @DraconimLt 3 года назад

    I always pronounced them THy- ferra not Ty-ferra, Lusank-I-ah not Lusank-ee-ah and Yh-sann not Eye-san-ay, have I been wrong all these years?
    You called the 'Lusankya' the 'Executor' at 12:09 😅 and kept swapping between calling the Valiant an Alderaanian and Corellian ship, it was Alderaanian, a Thranta-class War Cruiser.

  • @asherailevant9485
    @asherailevant9485 3 года назад +2

    You kept saying Rogue, but weren't they Wraith at this point?

    • @TheDrag0nsoldier
      @TheDrag0nsoldier 3 года назад +1

      Nope. Wraith squadron was formed in the aftermath of the tyfera incident

    • @Its_Dave_Just_Dave
      @Its_Dave_Just_Dave 3 года назад +1

      Wraith was the opposite of Rogue iirc, ground specialists with a secondary in fighter squadron. They were the second of Wedges squadrons and trained by Rogue Sq Vets

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  3 года назад +1

      No, though this was a very wraith-like mission.

    • @asherailevant9485
      @asherailevant9485 3 года назад

      @@EckhartsLadder and this is why I watch your channel. To get accurate info!

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 3 года назад +1

      @@EckhartsLadder In fact it was this very mission that inspired Wedge to create Wraith Squadron. The Rogues were a X-Wing unit that happened to be able to do ground commando raids if needed. He wanted an inverse of this, a commando team that just happened to have X-Wings.

  • @nickjames9743
    @nickjames9743 3 года назад +1

    Yesss more of thisss plzzzz

  • @lightspeedvictory
    @lightspeedvictory 3 года назад

    #askeckseptember if the galaxy’s supply of stygium crystals was exhausted by the Battle of Endor, what powered the cloak on the Anakin Solo?
    Lore Versus video request:
    Resurgent vs. Starhawk
    Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
    World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
    Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
    Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
    Keldabe vs. ISD II
    MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
    Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
    Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
    FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
    Praetor vs. Subjugator
    EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent

  • @sylquinn4075
    @sylquinn4075 Год назад

    Couldn't help but notice that the "freighters" are small versions of the Galaxy Gun, the Battlestar Galactica, the Millenium Falcon, the Ebon Hawk, some sort of Dreadnaught-ish cruiser, a ship I can't identify, and a UNSC Paris-class frigate from Halo.

  • @nomar5spaulding
    @nomar5spaulding 3 года назад

    LOL I like your icon for the freighters. Let me see... a Jumpmaster 5000, the Battlestar Galactica, the Galaxy Gun, a Dreadnought Class, a Marauder Class, I think a YT-1300, and a Hardcell? Nice.

  • @IrrelevantNPC
    @IrrelevantNPC 3 года назад +1

    Excellent, as always.

  • @simonnance
    @simonnance 3 года назад

    A couple points:
    Return time for the Lusankya was 24hrs, not 12, p280-81 discusses this and that the X wings would arrive 12hrs faster than the Lusankya.
    Instead of flying in their cockpits, the X wings embarked the Freedom and arrived with it, *after* the arrival of the Lusankya (p293)
    It was 3 squadrons of A-Wings not one (Commander Varth's wing, p11, p337)