Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars. I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
I've seen people drifting their awd cars so I am thinking that it is still possible to drift the 4S but maybe harder to do. The current 4S has about 50bhp more than the 2 also so you aren't just paying for awd but better engine performance that brings the two within 0.1sec at 0-60mph.
I could never do a 4 wheel drive 911. The ability to throw a 911 around, that quick spin on its axis defines the 911 driving experience. If you get rid of that capability, you kill what really is the heart & soul of the 911. We love the VW Beetle because it's simple. Reliable simplicity defines the Beetle. Nobody would buy, or love, a complex Beetle. We love the 911 because of the driving experience. When you master the handling of the lopsided barbell it's a magical experience that allows you to do things no other car is capable of doing. Taking that ability away is like making a complex Beetle. You are robbing the car of the characteristic that makes them so lovable.
hi nick, i was worried when i choose my new porsche (i had one of the first models cayman s), i choose the 991.2 gts. I was worried because i like track days (i live in italy and go around monza, imola, vallelunga and mugello) and thought about something happening on old awd 911: the understeer in the exit phase of the turn. I said maybe new models don't have that problem any more...But i have chosen the nornal 911 gts...with the extra money spared i put the rear axle steering and pdk...i was worried about losing that beautiful oversteer in the turn. I'm happy to know by an awd owner the pro and cons, i think i did the best chose for me(not so much rain and snow around where i live). thk you so much for your informative videos
Isn't torque steer what you get in front wheel drive cars - when the power going through the front wheels affects the steering inputs? Never heard it used to describe a cornering technique in a rwd car.
Same principle in a way, as too much power is applied to the rear wheels you get over steer and you can steer the car with power instead of steering input
What you are referring to is power oversteer, not torque steer, which, as I said above, is the term used for FWD cars when the engine's torque interferes with the steering inputs. This is not at all the same thing as power oversteer which can, used judiciously, help a car turn into a corner.
AWD is nice if you are too lazy to put snow tires on for the winter. Spares the expense of an extra set of wheels and tires. Frees the storage space for said tires. And, unless you go the the track, how often can you push the car that hard? No question, RWD is lighter, simpler, and occasionally more fun
Easy solution Nick.You own a VW golf as another daily right? Why not replace the golf with something AWD , use that all year round.Get yourself a RWD 911 like your heart knows you want.I know you want to daily your 911 in snow too but be honest when summer comes like now, you really want that RWD 911.
You should smuggle in a real gorilla and replace it with the stuffed one you have without informing anyone. I would love to see a real life gorilla in the back seat.
Why wouldn't Porsche make the 4wd system engage with a switch? Cost? No. Complexity? No. Weight? Maybe.....Make filthy rich people buy both? Oh hell yeah! ALSO : When ordering any 911 be sure to specify "Rear window wiper DELETE" . See 2:01 ...ugh.
I've never fully understood the logic of making the 4wd version wider. It's got more overall grip already, the 2 wheel drive version would benefit more from wider tires. Them Germans are backwards lol.
unlimited possibilities including a toyota sienna to throw all your crap in or an FJ cruiser used for some off road antics, a nissan xterra is cool too
The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
Neal P, I'll chime in on this one... because I actually made a Facebook post about this, kind of. People at Chevy, Ford, Toyota dealerships dress like normal working class people. At Audi, BMW, and MB people dress really nice... like saying I'm successful and buying a nice car to show it. At the Porsche dealer I see lots of men in t-shirt, shorts, and sneakers or sandles. Apparently when you're buying a "dream car" you dress like you're on vacation living the good life. ☺
Neal P ..991 c2s here in socal. I wear an old weather beaten t-shirt and old faded naturally ripped blue jeans when I take my toy out on weekend drive. no fancy porsche logo clothings. I've seen porsche drivers with porsche patches and logos all on their clothes that you can see it from all angles and dont forget the porsche hat.
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
Nick, I know that it's a Porsche and all (new one under warranty @ that) but, is it possible to disconnect the front drive physically or with a tune for those fun summer days or not? Thanks.. Stan from Fort Wayne, Indiana
There was a trick in older '4' models where you could engage the park brake and decouple the front drive shaft, well I have been told, never actually seen it done. These days no such luck.
Stan Chase I know people who disconnect their AWD Volvo XC driveshafts during summer so their cars are FWD. 911s have the engine in the back so turning AWD in RWD is so dumb idea that it may work but no one would or should do it in a new car full of electronics. But funny concept.
I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
I've heard the AWD is faster on the track too. More stable in the turns so it carries higher speeds and can put the power down sooner. I'd love the see a Motor Trend Head 2 Head of the 911 C2 and 911 C4. Being honest, I'd never track a new 911... I don't have that kind of money to piss away if something went wrong. IF I was going for speed the new Camaro ZL1 would be on my shopping list, or even the SS 1LE.
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
3:04 The larger gas tank is due to the extra 4cm space robbed from the trunk by the front drive. On top of it the tank can be made larger The larger rear body of the "4" is also less aero at high speeds, thus the lower max velocity. The sills on the "4" minimize the disturbance in the air flow caused by the wider rear body. I guess it better channels the side flow and stops it from getting under the car at the rear (in front of the rear wheels) and generate high speed lift at the back axle.
Were you comparing the same model year cars? Just wondering because the Porsche website lists the standard 2017 Carrera, Carrera S and Carrera 4S as all having a 16.9 gallon gas tank. The Turbo is listed with a 17.9 gallon fuel tank. I thought maybe that's why there's a difference in the size of the trunk but they list them all as having the same size as well at 9.1 cubic feet but with only an inch or so difference I don't think it would change the cubic feet that much. www.porsche.com/all/comparemodels/CompareNew.aspx?selectModel=991110&model1=991420_480&model2=991120_480&model3=991110_250&pool=usa&language=none&compTab=4
AWD any day! Its better looking it faster true the corners in any conditions. And its rear axel byest.. so push it 8/10 in the corner and it will drift believe you me:) If I could bay RWD 30K less I would definitely go for it and drive family wagon AUDI in winter:)
Absolutely you can drift a C4 I have drifted my 996 C4, but it takes a shed load more commitment to break traction and keep it sliding. But no way with PSM on you will get it sliding ever.
More than having fun the other advantage of having a two wheel drive system is its greater fuel economy , as you said the 4WD system delivers more torque to the front if it were to sense the rear is sliding outwards bringing down the efficiency to deliver this additional power. But nonetheless it all comes down to the conditions and each one has its own plus points.
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
Lol. I see Franny asked the same question I would have, because we take off the traction control if we want to with our Turbo. What can I say Nick. You need a lift and both cars! Heidi
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars.
I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
I did not know that the 4s had a wider body. You learn something everyday, except when you dont.
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
Some days two things!
And thanks to you I can now fake being a Porsche guy in casual coffee break conversations. =)
+Bowshould, so the GTS is still in the mid body category isn't it?
GTS is wide body
I drove the 991.1 C4S @ the Porsche Experience Centre Silverstone UK three years ago and was just blown away with it. What an amazing car!
NIKI ROSBERG PORSHE EXPERIENCE AT SILVERSTONE
thank you, I'm selling my Geo Metro and getting both, the C4S and the C2S
With the remaining balance you can also add 1 Bugatti to the cart!
Bless you for including the metric measurement in this video.
Living in Canada I don’t understand imperial, what’s a quart
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
I've seen people drifting their awd cars so I am thinking that it is still possible to drift the 4S but maybe harder to do. The current 4S has about 50bhp more than the 2 also so you aren't just paying for awd but better engine performance that brings the two within 0.1sec at 0-60mph.
100% you can, just takes bigger balls to get it sliding than the 2wd as the limits are so much higher.
Another great video Nick. Especially since I have been debating between 2 and 4 S models.
I could never do a 4 wheel drive 911. The ability to throw a 911 around, that quick spin on its axis defines the 911 driving experience. If you get rid of that capability, you kill what really is the heart & soul of the 911.
We love the VW Beetle because it's simple. Reliable simplicity defines the Beetle. Nobody would buy, or love, a complex Beetle.
We love the 911 because of the driving experience. When you master the handling of the lopsided barbell it's a magical experience that allows you to do things no other car is capable of doing.
Taking that ability away is like making a complex Beetle. You are robbing the car of the characteristic that makes them so lovable.
Great Video and it proofs what i thought. Happy to have a RWD (Cayman)
hi nick, i was worried when i choose my new porsche (i had one of the first models cayman s), i choose the 991.2 gts. I was worried because i like track days (i live in italy and go around monza, imola, vallelunga and mugello) and thought about something happening on old awd 911: the understeer in the exit phase of the turn. I said maybe new models don't have that problem any more...But i have chosen the nornal 911 gts...with the extra money spared i put the rear axle steering and pdk...i was worried about losing that beautiful oversteer in the turn. I'm happy to know by an awd owner the pro and cons, i think i did the best chose for me(not so much rain and snow around where i live). thk you so much for your informative videos
Thanks for sharing your practical insight. This will help me in the search for my next 997.2. And the sarcastic gorilla is fun as always: )
Isn't torque steer what you get in front wheel drive cars - when the power going through the front wheels affects the steering inputs? Never heard it used to describe a cornering technique in a rwd car.
Same principle in a way, as too much power is applied to the rear wheels you get over steer and you can steer the car with power instead of steering input
You guys are confusing torque steer (what Craig is saying) with throttle steering (what Nick's saying.) Those are two completely different principles.
What you are referring to is power oversteer, not torque steer, which, as I said above, is the term used for FWD cars when the engine's torque interferes with the steering inputs. This is not at all the same thing as power oversteer which can, used judiciously, help a car turn into a corner.
Craig Yirush correct
Clear comparison, thanks !
great advice, video exactly i was looking for, thank you sir
AWD is nice if you are too lazy to put snow tires on for the winter. Spares the expense of an extra set of wheels and tires. Frees the storage space for said tires. And, unless you go the the track, how often can you push the car that hard? No question, RWD is lighter, simpler, and occasionally more fun
would be interesting to see a roll on race between the two. And also discuss engine differences between the S and non S version. Cheers :)
Those video are coming.
i know you reviewed the previous gen cayman/boxsters, but would love to see you do the new 718s!
Easy solution Nick.You own a VW golf as another daily right? Why not replace the golf with something AWD , use that all year round.Get yourself a RWD 911 like your heart knows you want.I know you want to daily your 911 in snow too but be honest when summer comes like now, you really want that RWD 911.
Reon Storm well I want to drive the 911 in the snow every day. It is much joy.
this video definitively answers the question "how to make a boring video about a great car"
Oh thank you for taking the time to throw some hate around.
2 wheel drive if you want to have fun, 4 wheel drive if you want to live, simple
RUclips!! Stop with the double commecials with the guido bragging about his $20 car insurance
You should smuggle in a real gorilla and replace it with the stuffed one you have without informing anyone. I would love to see a real life gorilla in the back seat.
It is so difficult to get a real Gorilla, I have been working on it for years!
is there ever gonna be a passenger airplane review?? I really want to see airbus a320
I'm curios can you get the back to mimic the RWD if you shut the PSM off? I'd imagine that u could get the back to swing out and have fun.
How do you explain all Turbo S cars being 4 wheel drive only, if its not such a great thing?
"a little more fun...." Im SOLD! ....RWD!
Can I turn off all wheel drive on a 911 4s?
@Nick Murray: I believe you use the expression "torque steer" in other ways than it was coined in the first place. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_steer
Why wouldn't Porsche make the 4wd system engage with a switch? Cost? No. Complexity? No. Weight? Maybe.....Make filthy rich people buy both? Oh hell yeah!
ALSO : When ordering any 911 be sure to specify "Rear window wiper DELETE" .
See 2:01 ...ugh.
No burnouts with AWD!
I've never fully understood the logic of making the 4wd version wider. It's got more overall grip already, the 2 wheel drive version would benefit more from wider tires. Them Germans are backwards lol.
Any thoughts on the difference in engine character twixt the S and the basic?
I'll take that $11200 C4S from you Nick! (at 3:34)
you pay a 20-30K premium for the c4s...you could have just used that money to buy a beater for 14-15K for bad weather...
some people prefer driving their good car even in the winter.
Gerry Khurl wouldn't have to be a beater, a used 2010 Impreza 2.0 would be perfect
The best part of bad weather is driving a 911!
unlimited possibilities including a toyota sienna to throw all your crap in or an FJ cruiser used for some off road antics, a nissan xterra is cool too
IT IS!, i haven't driven my 991.1 c2 in the snow but drove thru a terrible rain storm and it is unbelievably stable even more so than my 4wd m56....
Autoevolution used your video.
The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
I think I rather wait for a fwd cvt 911.
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I know this is a joke, but it still hurts...
If that happens(which will not obv), that'll be like an April Fools joke come true.
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
you forgot a naturally aspirated diesel engine!
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
venom5809 The GTS is RWD with 4S widebody.
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
Might be able to find and pull a fuse somewhere under the frunck?
991.1 50th Anniversary was a C2S with wide body. The ideal car for me.
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
50AE is awesome but the premium for it is a bit over the top
Same! That’s my favorite one
Can you please do a video on how to dress like a Porsche owner?
I do think this is important information the public needs to know
Neal P, I'll chime in on this one... because I actually made a Facebook post about this, kind of. People at Chevy, Ford, Toyota dealerships dress like normal working class people. At Audi, BMW, and MB people dress really nice... like saying I'm successful and buying a nice car to show it. At the Porsche dealer I see lots of men in t-shirt, shorts, and sneakers or sandles. Apparently when you're buying a "dream car" you dress like you're on vacation living the good life. ☺
Neal P ..991 c2s here in socal. I wear an old weather beaten t-shirt and old faded naturally ripped blue jeans when I take my toy out on weekend drive. no fancy porsche logo clothings. I've seen porsche drivers with porsche patches and logos all on their clothes that you can see it from all angles and dont forget the porsche hat.
Pleated khakis, Peter Millar polo shirt, Weejuns, Trump National golf cap; substitute white pleated Nike golf skorts for khakis in case of Boxster.
Very observant and there is truth to what you say and humor also imo.
All i know is your concave wheels > those flat spokes on the C2.
The quad exhausts look so much better in my opinion. How much more are they?
The quad exhaust is the free option, the twin exhaust known as the Porsche Sport Exhaust is $3,000
Quad exhaust is standard on the "S" models, and is $950 extra for the non-"S" models
Joel Efraimsson they are the cheap option dumbo
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
Excuse my language but this video was so fucking informational and I thank you for that Nick! Great video dude
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
porsche should be rwb... if you want awd get a subaru.
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
If you like the widebody but want 2wd, consider the GTS.
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
Nick, I know that it's a Porsche and all (new one under warranty @ that) but, is it possible to disconnect the front drive physically or with a tune for those fun summer days or not? Thanks.. Stan from Fort Wayne, Indiana
There was a trick in older '4' models where you could engage the park brake and decouple the front drive shaft, well I have been told, never actually seen it done. These days no such luck.
Stan Chase I know people who disconnect their AWD Volvo XC driveshafts during summer so their cars are FWD.
911s have the engine in the back so turning AWD in RWD is so dumb idea that it may work but no one would or should do it in a new car full of electronics. But funny concept.
Keksi the Labrador I wouldn't consider it "dumb" but hey, to each there own...
are going to race it? if yes RWD. if its your daily then AWD
I'd buy the C4S just for that red line connecting the rear lights. That makes the car so much more beautiful!
Porsche seems to have realized that fact as well, a la 992 ;)
That’s exactly what swung it for me. I ended up with a 2019 C4 GTS.
I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
I think I will buy the AWD since it has been snowing a lot here. Thank you for the video Nick.
Global warming
4WD is heavier, most importantly. Also, 4WD saps more power due to drivetrain loss than C2S.
KLRGT500KR, but the AWD is faster due to increased traction.
Only to 60 mph. The RWD is quicker at higher speeds.
I've heard the AWD is faster on the track too. More stable in the turns so it carries higher speeds and can put the power down sooner. I'd love the see a Motor Trend Head 2 Head of the 911 C2 and 911 C4.
Being honest, I'd never track a new 911... I don't have that kind of money to piss away if something went wrong. IF I was going for speed the new Camaro ZL1 would be on my shopping list, or even the SS 1LE.
PLAY_HRD thanks motortrend
Faster. Planted. Year-round daily driver.
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
Lest be real life is all about horsepower and long legs
Haha I have no idea what you mean by legs but somehow I love that comment
chicks;)
Does the 2WD have the graphite blue interior?
3:04 The larger gas tank is due to the extra 4cm space robbed from the trunk by the front drive. On top of it the tank can be made larger
The larger rear body of the "4" is also less aero at high speeds, thus the lower max velocity.
The sills on the "4" minimize the disturbance in the air flow caused by the wider rear body. I guess it better channels the side flow and stops it from getting under the car at the rear (in front of the rear wheels) and generate high speed lift at the back axle.
Great info. Thanks
It was the reason why the RUF CTR was using the "narrow" body of the Carrera 3.2 and not the 930 wide turbo body.
The only time people go with RWD is when they can’t afford AWD.
Were you comparing the same model year cars? Just wondering because the Porsche website lists the standard 2017 Carrera, Carrera S and Carrera 4S as all having a 16.9 gallon gas tank. The Turbo is listed with a 17.9 gallon fuel tank. I thought maybe that's why there's a difference in the size of the trunk but they list them all as having the same size as well at 9.1 cubic feet but with only an inch or so difference I don't think it would change the cubic feet that much.
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AWD any day! Its better looking it faster true the corners in any conditions. And its rear axel byest.. so push it 8/10 in the corner and it will drift believe you me:)
If I could bay RWD 30K less I would definitely go for it and drive family wagon AUDI in winter:)
"The weight difference is approximately one wife."
Correction: "One newly-wed wife. About half a 20-year wife!"
OMG, did I just SAY that?!!!!
Nick, I disagree, I can and have all wheel drifted my 996 4S.
Absolutely you can drift a C4 I have drifted my 996 C4, but it takes a shed load more commitment to break traction and keep it sliding. But no way with PSM on you will get it sliding ever.
Nice video, I often ponder the relative merits of 2wd and 4wd.
Chuck another shrimp on the barbie Bruce.
Two shrimp going on for you my friend
More than having fun the other advantage of having a two wheel drive system is its greater fuel economy , as you said the 4WD system delivers more torque to the front if it were to sense the rear is sliding outwards bringing down the efficiency to deliver this additional power. But nonetheless it all comes down to the conditions and each one has its own plus points.
I thought the S Models (C2S & C4S) got the wide body, and the non S Models (C2 & C4) got the narrower body... am I wrong??
997 4s is the car I want!
is there a reason why I shouldn't get it and instead buy a newer model?
Really like your vlogs and videos for porsche. Is there any change you can fit your road bike into a 911? What about a 28" baggage?
Realistically speaking though, you’re not going to be in a track everyday so I’d always opt in for all wheel drive.
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
00:53 Toyota Corolla was rear wheel drive for many early years . Just sayin.
Toyota Corrolla was for it's first half of life- rwd, so many of them 40million are rwd models.
This is an excellent point. I will tell that smart ass Gorilla.
Corilla? Gorolla?
Indeed
Arayig1982 dont leave your day job to become a comedian
There's been better ones with less success.
those 911 porsche's can't turn good with awd, this is why Porsche GT RS turns so well
There's only one solution, Nick: Have both! In all seriousness, really neat to hear about the little differences and your wheels are amazing!
And hey Nick! Buy a new 911 so that we can see more serious videos and not you flying around or on cars that none of us could care less ;)
4S all the dah for me. I want a car I can drive every day in ang condition without the worry that that beast will throw me off the track
What years 911 AWD get the wider body in back like you mentioned ? If you know ?
Ok all i know is, that thing doesn't drive like a frickin audi.. even awd porsche drives like a porsche..
Is it a way to deactivate the 4 wheel drive on the front and just have the rear wheel drive by choice?
The wider hips is really nice to have!
AWD wide body looks much better. Never noticed/knew that. Thanks for the informative video....
If you can't slide a C4S you either don't know what you're doing or you're not trying hard enough...
I do think it's better to have a C2 and run snow tires than the c4 or save the money and buy a winter beater.
Lol. I see Franny asked the same question I would have, because we take off the traction control if we want to with our Turbo. What can I say Nick. You need a lift and both cars! Heidi
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
Nicky. Will you ever take this thing to a track? That would be a great video. PCA has great events at NJMP for example.
Great review, Ill go with the 2WD, many thanks for this excellent analysis.
dont say 4 wheel drive it is completely different from all wheel drive
Can’t you adjust how much torque you send to the front wheels?
Either get a RWD 911 or get an Audi
Test drive your friends with the smaller engine and give some impressions...
I plan to do a video on this but frankly there is very little difference between the power of the 370 engine and the 420 engine.
ya i know u just said it may be more responsive, smaller turbo, more natural feel, etc
I would take you much more seriously if you wore a sateen Porsche jacket.
C4S: worth it even just for the cosmetic differences.
That stuffed monkey isn't buying what you're talking about
Answer-where do you live? I need AWD because winter.
It looks like that gorilla is silently disagreeing with everything he is saying.
Entertaining as usual. Love your videos
Really good video. Conclusions based on solid personal experience. Thanks.