Nick Murray You can have the Backfire in Individual Mode if you configure it in the Menu in the Bord Computer to use "Sport" as Engine baseline. Greetings from Weissach!
Have you guys driven a 991.2 S with the PSE that was driven for like 15000 KM? its exordinary loud/ much better exhaust note compared to no pse.... but each on their own
Just came back from a test drive and spent the entire time in sport with PSE on and thought the burbles were soo annoying! Had me thinking aftermarket exhaust was the only way to get rid of it. Extremely helpful!
For what it's worth here's my opinion as stranger on the internet: you made the right decision Nick, 4 pipe exhaust looks better and honestly it sounds a bit better to me, you can hear more of intake sound instead of wooshing of the exhaust. Just sounds more natural to me. Nice!
Wow, the sound of the Non PSE sounds quite similar to my 997.2 Turbo, like an angry vacuum cleaner (got some clips on my channel). Hoping to fix that with this new exhaust I got coming in! The sound of the PSE on the 4S sounds pretty sweet as far as turbo Porsches go
Absolutely agree. Whenever I'm on the Porsche configurator (because this is as close as I'll ever get to owning one) I keep the standard exhausts as it looks so much better and you're right, it does make it look wider. Maybe an aftermarket one would be the way to go.
Great video. Have to say visually quad wins. It does look wider on camera. Noise sports exhaust wins. The crackle and pop are intoxicating outside. I think the best alternative is aftermarket with valves. Win win
You made the right choice on the exhaust. Looks so much better. Sound difference is negligible inside cabin which is what matters for the driver. Your car would be perfect with the PDK. Oh well. As they say at the end of Some Like it Hot "Nobody's perfect." Cheers.
Sport exhaust is the way to go, because of the insane exhaust note. You don't have that on yours. The sound change is huge...can't believe you are saying its minor!
Thank you, Nick. As someone who is currently in the market for 991.2 S, this certainly helps. Visually, quad looks great and after this video, I dont think I’ll need the PSE. Cheers from North America
I have a 991.1 with PSE, but I never knew that Sport Mode produced that beautiful crackly on deceleration. I learned a great lesson here, I will drive in Sport Mode for the rest of my days! Thanks.
Jerry Mabary, i have a 991.1 and the crackle in Sport Plus mode (if you have Sport Chrono) is even louder and more exciting than in Sport mode. Make sure you place the car in Sport Plus and manual modes (if you have PDK). The crackles when you accelerate from first to, say 15 mph, and then let go of the pedal while staying in first gear are really loud and enjoyable.
sunnyboy8644, pdk is the most intelligent transmission there is. The way it rev matches, the way it goes up the gears, is a really special experience. I must point out that my 991.1 911 has a clunky pdk. Three different dealers have told me that this is how pdk’s are. On the other hand, I have heard of other owners who report smooth transmissions.
As always, great review Nick ! However, in my experience, in a 991.2 4S cabriolet, the PSE definitely IS a huge step forward from the standard exhaust and worth every penny. You should try it some day... switch the car into Sports mode and give it a serious go with the top down. You'll love it !
My car is manual transmission with PSE and Sport Chrono, giving sport and Sport plus modes. In any mode, PSE does not sound much different when the engine is unloaded and revving freely. The difference really makes itself felt when accelerating hard, when the open valves make the exhaust sound much fuller and raspier. Engaging sport mode adds beautiful pops and crackles especially on a trailing throttle at 3k RPMs. Sport plus adds rev matching which means it's even easier to drop gears as you shed speed when approaching an intersection and that in turn means you'll hit the sweet spot for best trailing throttle pops and crackles much more often. I love it so much that I habitually drive in sport plus mode with PSE on, although on my car it also puts PASM into sport chassis mode and I switch it back to comfort mode before I drive off.
I find it funny how people come across as being such an authority on certain things, like for example, the sport exhaust. The reality is they have never driven, nor owned either of the two cars (with and without the option) to make the comparison. Enjoy your 911.
Roman Teslya I don't get it. How exactly will it "help a lot"? With what? Why is everyone so bloody excited over the _exhaust_ system? It's where the exhaust comes out, that's all there is to it! It's not magic. This is snake oil, just like when hardcore (read: gullible idiot) audiophiles buy speaker cables of pure gold blessed by Tibetan monks and chemically treated with yak's pee for hideous amounts of money. Of course they _have_ to love the rich dynamic sound afterwards, to justify their investment... even though it's the same as before. The emperor still has no clothes...
Benny Löfgren Cayman GTS here. No offense but it’s far from snake oil. Drive a Porsche like you stole it with revs way above 3500 and you hear the magic, also in the overrun, it’s sublime and puts a smile on your face. Go and test drive one, you have to experience it to understand.
Ralf Peppekus Yeah, I know it sounds a little different. Big deal. It won't drive any different. It won't handle better. It won't go faster. It won't brake better. It won't corner better. It won't be better in any way whatsoever. It is just a gimmick to trick people out of their money. People who, just like those pathetic audiophiles by the way, won't ever be caught alive admitting they're spending thousands of dollars on placebo.
The sport exhaust makes a MUCH BIGGER difference in the Cabriolet. Even with the top up, you still get more exhaust note into the cabin. AND, with the top down, it is HUGE difference. Much more than the coupe with the windows down.
FML I clicked on this very video from my RUclips home page about a week ago and now i've just watched most of your videos from 2013... and have grown to love your stupid accent for some reason... This doesn't happen to me very often, and I'm not gay. Great content and the way you present and deliver them to us is even better! Brilliant work Nick. much love from London.
I have bought a Quicksilver titanium exhaust - made by my good pal Paul Goddard. You then get the quad exhausts and a banshee at the upper end. You have spent one fifth of the price and got a better exhaust (rather than the OEM). Great piece Nick Murray.
Totally agree Nick. 4 pipes look (and to my ears sound) so much better. Every time I see a PSE 911 I can't stop myself from thinking VW Beetle (the original rear engined version)! Looks better and saves over £1800 (UK). That's a win-win in anyone's book!
The standard exhaust still sounds like a Porsche flat six, but the so-called sports exhaust, while slightly louder, sounds more like a flat four. You made the right decision, Nick.
I"m looking to get a 991.2 C2 base and seeked one out without the sport exhaust. I find the sport exhaust way to annoying. The pops and burbles just make it sound like an internally broken exhaust. I don't want it in any way, shape or form on my car. The quad tips look so much better too. This video just cemented the decision. Thank you Nick!
I'd like to add that in my experience, the cabin sound in a non-PSE car is actually sweeter and louder than that of a PSE equipped car (both in Sport mode). That "sound symposer" seems to be stronger for non PSE. PSE is for the outside world to hear you coming.
Yes I agonised over this decision due to the look. I agree with you, in fact I asked could the standard base exhaust be converted to sport! Alas no. What I find is the cold start deep bark even without selecting sport creates a sense of warming the beast for the journey ahead.
The button you are showing and pressing at 0:46 is the same button I have in my 2015 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS, yet I have the same exhaust configuration as in your car; the dual pipes on the left and the dual pipes on the right. And you are right, it does look a lot better. What I don't like on the newer 911s are the vertical fins on the engine lid. The horizontal ones look so much better and they make the car look wider.
Nick, I own a 2017 Macan GTS and the sport exhaust "crackle" definitely happens in Sport Plus mode. In fact, the exhaust, steering and suspension are all sharper as you progress from Normal, Sport and Sport Plus.
I'm not sure if you mentioned it or not but the big difference between the .1 and .2 is the turbocharged engine, they just mute exhaust notes. Your .1 sounded incredible with the PSE...
Very useful, Nick. One thing that you didn't pick up on...I think....which serves to consolidate the case for staying well away from the PSE on Gen 2 is that its actual 'volume' of noise cancels out the classic induction sound you still get with the Gen 2 further up the rev range. That classic flat-6 induction (admittedly more muted but in 'quality terms' still present & correct) is now masked by a nondescript racket: aka high volume PSE exhaust 'thrash'. Therefore, what exactly is the point in cancelling out the very sound you really want ? ....And note, I said 'sound', not just 'noise'. Combine that with the visually sad piece of 'stuck-on' plastic between the 2 central pipes on the Gen 2 PSE (Message to AG: centrally-exiting exhausts on Gen 2s should be close together like the GT cars....or quad pipes as on 997 and Gen 1s) as well as the optical illusion of 'narrowing' the car, you've got good reason to AVOID the Gen 2 PSE. Sad though...... if your heart's set on a GTS.... Get a 4S and add a Powerkit, maybe ? ;-) So, this only goes to show some folks out there continuously confuse 'more' with 'better': for 'sound enhancement' this is not the case.
Interestingly, in the non-PSE car, you can hear the wail of the intakes more, it sounds more like it does in the cabin. The PSE car sounds louder but has less of the classic porsche howl/wail
Dear Nick, Thank you for your helpful Videos. I have seen all of your Porsche Videos and last week I ordered my first 911. It is a carmine red Carrera 4s. Your explainations made it much more easier to me to configurate the best 911 for me. I had to wait till November, then a dream comes true. Regards from Aachen, Germany 😀😀😀🙋🙋🙋
Actually im not sure if the sports exhaust sounds better. It gives a more aggressive sound in de midrange compared to the standard one. The standard exhaust gives a more 'progressive' sound to my ears(more sound en different sound in higher rpm). And with the better looking 4 tailpipes i'll choose the standard one.
I allways thought the normal exhaust sounds better on Porsche - and it does! Your car sounds much better because the exhaust doesn't drown the original flat six sound. I drive a Cayman S, and I have the normal exhaust system and won't replace it. Keep up the good work 👍😎
Thanks Nick, I've been waiting for this video comparison ever since you brought this car. I agree, the look of the quad-exhausts looks better, & the sports exhaust adds a little bit of a deeper sound. The next 911 (992) the sports exhaust will be louder & worth spending the extra $3000 USD. It will also look wider at the front & rear with a similar interior to the new Panamera. Q: Nick, will you consider buying the new 992?
Thanks a lot for this vid, very nicely answered all possible PSE questions a potential 911 owner could have. Also I was not aware of that 3rd mode topic. When shopping our Macan my Porsche SA pointed out that a P-car already sounds good enough without PSE - I was actually quite surprised about his statement but it eventually gave me the impression that he's the down to earth type of guy, which is good. After 11 months ownership I have to say, below 3k rpm I don't want to hear much of the car, perfectly happy without PSE, while totally understanding why others get it. Same here, wouldn't have gotten it for a 911 just because of the looks.
thanks for the video. I was already leanign towards the quad-pipe for my (first) 911.... now i know that not just looks it is better, but also the sound is better with the standard exhaust.
I'm with you on the esthetics Nick. The quad pipes spread to the outside look nicer than the dual pipes down the center. I do like the chrome tips on the PSE, and the aural effect of the PSE is gorgeous too. Shame you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Individual mode needs to be programmed to the driver's preferences. I ticked the sport mode and sports exhausts boxes when programming mine so when I drive in individual mode (which is most of the time, but only after the engine comes up to operating temperature) it burbles away as you would expect. Ordering sports exhausts was the right decision for me. In saying that I am also glad I ordered keyless entry and drive as I appreciate being able to pop the boot open by placing my hand on the front bumper under the crest. I think many people will disagree with me on this point also and consider it an unnecessary expense. I would be pleased to have other subscribers view on the light design package.
Hey Nick. Another great video, as usual. Someone may have already commented on this (I didn't read all the comments) but I wanted to correct one thing in your video. Based on my experience with my GTS, if you choose the Sport Mode as the driving mode in your Individual setting, you will get the crackles and pops the same as if you just manually select the Sport mode.
To me the sports exhaust was worth it and made such a huge difference on the 991.1. However on the 991.2 it doesn't seem to make a big difference and still isn't loud enough to mask the turbo whistle.
I love the look of the quad but the 911 just sounds so good with a nastier exhaust note. I recently drove Matt Moreman's GT3 and I would have to say it is the best sounding car I have ever had the privilege of driving. The 911 is an amazing car in every level it can be purchased. I will own one. Great video Nick!!
Really useful blogg as I have just configured my wife’s car and like you opted for the better looking quad pipes, she had an F type SVR before and that was louder than my Ducati, so loud was not a priority. Also love the wiz of the turbo.
Greetings from downunder! I agree that the PSE on the 991 appears to have a minimal impact on the sound and I probably wouldn't spec it for that reason..quite apart from the NON PSE quad pipes which I also agree look better. Having said that a standard 997.2 S is much quieter and as result I've fitted PSE and a backbox bypass....which sounds wonderful and also has the burbling on the overrun.
I think u did right. 4 pipes look much better then 2 and u save 3k $. For 3k $ u can burbling all day when u drive it. I must admit that we have the same taste about configuring P911 and that's why i like your videos.
The quad exhausts look much much better imo! I love the PSE Sound however, more than I love the look of the quad exhaust! I think Porsche should have made the dual exhaust the standard and the quad for the models that spec PSE then the better looking 991.2‘s would also be the louder ones.
Hi Nick, I think the perception of width has more to do with the colour of the car than the number/location of the exhaust outlets. Having said that, I prefer the looks of the quad exhausts. Regardless of how many outlets, I'd also choose to go without the PSE - your car makes enough noise without it.
Hi Nick! Thank you so very much! Your videos are entirely amazing and really beautiful in production quality, and the information presented, especially on the Porsche brand, so dearly needed and so very much appreciated! ... P.S. I agree with you, I think that the BEEG bum of the Carrera 911 991.2 4S with the four exhaust pipes, is entirely gorgeous :)!... P.P.S. I think the T-shirts from "Nick's Silly Shop" to be entirely great too :)!
If anyone is interested in great sounds, a Cayman/boxster S (none 718) or higher with PSE is exhilarating in cabin and outside. No arguments. But for 911s I can see the debate on whether or not to get PSE (or maybe after market). The engine sounds quiet a bit further away (obviously) and the exhilaration is more diminished (obviously again, since Mid engine Vs rear engine and maybe even natural aspirated vs turbo). I have not driven a 911S, but I did heavy compare my Cayman GTS with a high specced base 991.1 that had sports exhaust and more comfort features, with the exhaust on it still sounded less exhilarating than the Cayman and sounded more tamed in cabin (cabin only). Cayman obviously destroyed the base 911 in terms of emotions, exhilaration, and well pretty much everything, then again, it also is supposed to be a bit more raw feeling than a comfort specced base 911 and costed quiet a bit more than the 911 I was looking at.
Your decision was right. The serial exaust fits much better to the car and even the sound of the sport exaust isn't very impressive compared to the standard one ;) I ordered some weeks ago a BMW M140i (hatch version of M 240i but not available in the US). The standard exaust of this car is OK but I guess I will go to a complete exaust system from Remus or Akrapovic later. It is not the " level of noise" but the volume of the sound what makes them interesting (and by the way these kind of exaust systems bring around 15 HP more and also more Nm). Maybe that kind of stuff could be an option for your 911 too ;)
I also prefer the look of the stock system. And if the sound is not loud enough, there are after market systems that will sound much better and louder than the expensive PSE system of Porsche. But I still think the 991 without turbo sound better...
If you have the 991.2 in sport mode it will turn on the exhaust as well as give you lots of nice pops and bangs, if you only have the exhaust on its not as interesting.
I agree quad exhaust makes the car look better and wider
Can we please appreciate the way Nick compares the volume of the different cars. Well done! Love your videos! Greetings from The Netherlands.
Nick: you did a fantastic thing that nobody else ever does- manual gain. Really great job!
I think the PSE sounds better at standstill but the non PSE sounds better on the move. The quad pipes also look better on the car. Good review thanks
Nick Murray You can have the Backfire in Individual Mode if you configure it in the Menu in the Bord Computer to use "Sport" as Engine baseline. Greetings from Weissach!
Nick, I love your attention to detail. Somehow you pull it off without being pedantic and nauseating.
Yes! Nick's so refreshingly non-anal and relaxed for a true car nerd, yet attentive to detail! Some just take themselves waaay too seriously...
PSE does not make a huge difference and the quad tips look much better. I'd much rather put that $3k towards an aftermarket exhaust system.
Hayden Yeah the quad looks 1000000x better and Fabspeed has upgrades for the quad
Totally agree. The quad pipes look so much better and 3k could get them sounding bigger and better than the PSE
Have you guys driven a 991.2 S with the PSE that was driven for like 15000 KM? its exordinary loud/ much better exhaust note compared to no pse.... but each on their own
Bad idea with Porsches new 0 tolerance policy on aftermarket parts. The moment you change the car, goodbye warranty. Even if its just cosmetic.
+Baerzilla That's not how it works... At least not in the US.
Anyone else who just love the chat bubbles from William haha ?
Just came back from a test drive and spent the entire time in sport with PSE on and thought the burbles were soo annoying! Had me thinking aftermarket exhaust was the only way to get rid of it. Extremely helpful!
For what it's worth here's my opinion as stranger on the internet: you made the right decision Nick, 4 pipe exhaust looks better and honestly it sounds a bit better to me, you can hear more of intake sound instead of wooshing of the exhaust. Just sounds more natural to me. Nice!
Wow, the sound of the Non PSE sounds quite similar to my 997.2 Turbo, like an angry vacuum cleaner (got some clips on my channel). Hoping to fix that with this new exhaust I got coming in! The sound of the PSE on the 4S sounds pretty sweet as far as turbo Porsches go
Absolutely agree. Whenever I'm on the Porsche configurator (because this is as close as I'll ever get to owning one) I keep the standard exhausts as it looks so much better and you're right, it does make it look wider. Maybe an aftermarket one would be the way to go.
"Sweating like a rapist"?
I've never heard that expression before? Is it a NZ thing?
Wrinkledlemon It's a rapist thing.
Willy Willy well played.
Willy Willy haha!!! It's a rapist thing. 😂
Willy Willy funny!
Wrinkledlemon What do you mean by NZ?? Nick is 100% USA.
As someone shopping for a 991.2, and wondering about the sports exhaust, this was fantastic! Thanks very much for posting
Great video. Have to say visually quad wins. It does look wider on camera. Noise sports exhaust wins. The crackle and pop are intoxicating outside. I think the best alternative is aftermarket with valves. Win win
You made the right choice on the exhaust. Looks so much better. Sound difference is negligible inside cabin which is what matters for the driver. Your car would be perfect with the PDK. Oh well. As they say at the end of Some Like it Hot "Nobody's perfect." Cheers.
Why PDK?
Sport exhaust is the way to go, because of the insane exhaust note. You don't have that on yours. The sound change is huge...can't believe you are saying its minor!
Thank you, Nick. As someone who is currently in the market for 991.2 S, this certainly helps. Visually, quad looks great and after this video, I dont think I’ll need the PSE. Cheers from North America
I have a 991.1 with PSE, but I never knew that Sport Mode produced that beautiful crackly on deceleration. I learned a great lesson here, I will drive in Sport Mode for the rest of my days! Thanks.
Jerry Mabary, i have a 991.1 and the crackle in Sport Plus mode (if you have Sport Chrono) is even louder and more exciting than in Sport mode.
Make sure you place the car in Sport Plus and manual modes (if you have PDK). The crackles when you accelerate from first to, say 15 mph, and then let go of the pedal while staying in first gear are really loud and enjoyable.
I shall try this straight away. Thanks!
@Trucho i dont know how to drive the PDK, is it similar to automatic ?
sunnyboy8644, pdk is the most intelligent transmission there is. The way it rev matches, the way it goes up the gears, is a really special experience. I must point out that my 991.1 911 has a clunky pdk. Three different dealers have told me that this is how pdk’s are. On the other hand, I have heard of other owners who report smooth transmissions.
As always, great review Nick ! However, in my experience, in a 991.2 4S cabriolet, the PSE definitely IS a huge step forward from the standard exhaust and worth every penny. You should try it some day... switch the car into Sports mode and give it a serious go with the top down. You'll love it !
My car is manual transmission with PSE and Sport Chrono, giving sport and Sport plus modes. In any mode, PSE does not sound much different when the engine is unloaded and revving freely. The difference really makes itself felt when accelerating hard, when the open valves make the exhaust sound much fuller and raspier. Engaging sport mode adds beautiful pops and crackles especially on a trailing throttle at 3k RPMs. Sport plus adds rev matching which means it's even easier to drop gears as you shed speed when approaching an intersection and that in turn means you'll hit the sweet spot for best trailing throttle pops and crackles much more often. I love it so much that I habitually drive in sport plus mode with PSE on, although on my car it also puts PASM into sport chassis mode and I switch it back to comfort mode before I drive off.
You're absolutely correct. The sports exhaust looks awful. The stock one looks a million times better.
I find it funny how people come across as being such an authority on certain things, like for example, the sport exhaust. The reality is they have never driven, nor owned either of the two cars (with and without the option) to make the comparison. Enjoy your 911.
The world is an expert : )
Nick, you have to install something aftermarket, it will helps a lot ) 4 pipes a lot bettre looking, but PSE sound's also a lot better
Fabspeed offers upgrades that retain the quad exhaust
Roman Teslya I don't get it. How exactly will it "help a lot"? With what? Why is everyone so bloody excited over the _exhaust_ system? It's where the exhaust comes out, that's all there is to it! It's not magic. This is snake oil, just like when hardcore (read: gullible idiot) audiophiles buy speaker cables of pure gold blessed by Tibetan monks and chemically treated with yak's pee for hideous amounts of money. Of course they _have_ to love the rich dynamic sound afterwards, to justify their investment... even though it's the same as before. The emperor still has no clothes...
it is just your opinion )
Benny Löfgren Cayman GTS here. No offense but it’s far from snake oil. Drive a Porsche like you stole it with revs way above 3500 and you hear the magic, also in the overrun, it’s sublime and puts a smile on your face. Go and test drive one, you have to experience it to understand.
Ralf Peppekus Yeah, I know it sounds a little different. Big deal. It won't drive any different. It won't handle better. It won't go faster. It won't brake better. It won't corner better. It won't be better in any way whatsoever. It is just a gimmick to trick people out of their money. People who, just like those pathetic audiophiles by the way, won't ever be caught alive admitting they're spending thousands of dollars on placebo.
The sport exhaust makes a MUCH BIGGER difference in the Cabriolet. Even with the top up, you still get more exhaust note into the cabin. AND, with the top down, it is HUGE difference. Much more than the coupe with the windows down.
The four pipes look sooooo much better! But I like the sound of the sport exhaust.
FML I clicked on this very video from my RUclips home page about a week ago and now i've just watched most of your videos from 2013... and have grown to love your stupid accent for some reason... This doesn't happen to me very often, and I'm not gay.
Great content and the way you present and deliver them to us is even better! Brilliant work Nick.
much love from London.
Thanks Oli!
I have bought a Quicksilver titanium exhaust - made by my good pal Paul Goddard. You then get the quad exhausts and a banshee at the upper end. You have spent one fifth of the price and got a better exhaust (rather than the OEM). Great piece Nick Murray.
Totally agree Nick. 4 pipes look (and to my ears sound) so much better. Every time I see a PSE 911 I can't stop myself from thinking VW Beetle (the original rear engined version)! Looks better and saves over £1800 (UK). That's a win-win in anyone's book!
The standard exhaust still sounds like a Porsche flat six, but the so-called sports exhaust, while slightly louder, sounds more like a flat four. You made the right decision, Nick.
Since you mentioned the aesthetics of the pipes now I can't unsee it, and I totally agree.
Agree, prefer the look of the quad pipes, love the sound of the PSE.
I"m looking to get a 991.2 C2 base and seeked one out without the sport exhaust. I find the sport exhaust way to annoying. The pops and burbles just make it sound like an internally broken exhaust. I don't want it in any way, shape or form on my car. The quad tips look so much better too. This video just cemented the decision. Thank you Nick!
The sports exhaust sounds amazing when you break and downshift the PDK to 2nd in the middle of traffic, and hear the rattles echo.
I'd like to add that in my experience, the cabin sound in a non-PSE car is actually sweeter and louder than that of a PSE equipped car (both in Sport mode). That "sound symposer" seems to be stronger for non PSE.
PSE is for the outside world to hear you coming.
Yes I agonised over this decision due to the look. I agree with you, in fact I asked could the standard base exhaust be converted to sport! Alas no. What I find is the cold start deep bark even without selecting sport creates a sense of warming the beast for the journey ahead.
The button you are showing and pressing at 0:46 is the same button I have in my 2015 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS, yet I have the same exhaust configuration as in your car; the dual pipes on the left and the dual pipes on the right. And you are right, it does look a lot better. What I don't like on the newer 911s are the vertical fins on the engine lid. The horizontal ones look so much better and they make the car look wider.
I went for the quad pipes in my 2017 991.2 Cab (same external color as Nick's) - no regrets!!
Nick, I own a 2017 Macan GTS and the sport exhaust "crackle" definitely happens in Sport Plus mode. In fact, the exhaust, steering and suspension are all sharper as you progress from Normal, Sport and Sport Plus.
You should get a Sharkwerks-exhaustsystem so you can have your quadpipe-look with a great flat6-sound! Their systems sounds great imo.
I'm not sure if you mentioned it or not but the big difference between the .1 and .2 is the turbocharged engine, they just mute exhaust notes. Your .1 sounded incredible with the PSE...
Nick Zarnetske exactly true. My 991.1 GTS is phantastic
The best exhaust comparison online, Nick. Thank you! Please do it for the NA engines, too!
Very useful, Nick.
One thing that you didn't pick up on...I think....which serves to consolidate the case for staying well away from the PSE on Gen 2 is that its actual 'volume' of noise cancels out the classic induction sound you still get with the Gen 2 further up the rev range. That classic flat-6 induction (admittedly more muted but in 'quality terms' still present & correct) is now masked by a nondescript racket: aka high volume PSE exhaust 'thrash'. Therefore, what exactly is the point in cancelling out the very sound you really want ? ....And note, I said 'sound', not just 'noise'.
Combine that with the visually sad piece of 'stuck-on' plastic between the 2 central pipes on the Gen 2 PSE (Message to AG: centrally-exiting exhausts on Gen 2s should be close together like the GT cars....or quad pipes as on 997 and Gen 1s) as well as the optical illusion of 'narrowing' the car, you've got good reason to AVOID the Gen 2 PSE. Sad though...... if your heart's set on a GTS.... Get a 4S and add a Powerkit, maybe ? ;-)
So, this only goes to show some folks out there continuously confuse 'more' with 'better': for 'sound enhancement' this is not the case.
Interestingly, in the non-PSE car, you can hear the wail of the intakes more, it sounds more like it does in the cabin. The PSE car sounds louder but has less of the classic porsche howl/wail
"I like a big butt." - Nick Murray
Very good observation, and explanation on the 'Snap, Crackle, and Pop' mode.
Yes! Such a good idea to set a benchmark this is missing from every exhaust video everywhere
Dear Nick,
Thank you for your helpful Videos. I have seen all of your Porsche Videos and last week I ordered my first 911.
It is a carmine red Carrera 4s. Your explainations made it much more easier to me to configurate the best 911 for me.
I had to wait till November, then a dream comes true.
Regards from Aachen, Germany 😀😀😀🙋🙋🙋
Actually im not sure if the sports exhaust sounds better. It gives a more aggressive sound in de midrange compared to the standard one. The standard exhaust gives a more 'progressive' sound to my ears(more sound en different sound in higher rpm). And with the better looking 4 tailpipes i'll choose the standard one.
Always great when Nick uploads!!
I allways thought the normal exhaust sounds better on Porsche - and it does!
Your car sounds much better because the exhaust doesn't drown the original flat six sound.
I drive a Cayman S, and I have the normal exhaust system and won't replace it.
Keep up the good work 👍😎
I agree with your comment on it does look wider with the 4 pipes and it does look better than the 2 pipes.
Thanks Nick, I've been waiting for this video comparison ever since you brought this car.
I agree, the look of the quad-exhausts looks better, & the sports exhaust adds a little bit of a deeper sound.
The next 911 (992) the sports exhaust will be louder & worth spending the extra $3000 USD.
It will also look wider at the front & rear with a similar interior to the new Panamera.
Q: Nick, will you consider buying the new 992?
Thanks a lot for this vid, very nicely answered all possible PSE questions a potential 911 owner could have. Also I was not aware of that 3rd mode topic. When shopping our Macan my Porsche SA pointed out that a P-car already sounds good enough without PSE - I was actually quite surprised about his statement but it eventually gave me the impression that he's the down to earth type of guy, which is good. After 11 months ownership I have to say, below 3k rpm I don't want to hear much of the car, perfectly happy without PSE, while totally understanding why others get it. Same here, wouldn't have gotten it for a 911 just because of the looks.
thanks for the video. I was already leanign towards the quad-pipe for my (first) 911.... now i know that not just looks it is better, but also the sound is better with the standard exhaust.
I'm with you on the esthetics Nick. The quad pipes spread to the outside look nicer than the dual pipes down the center. I do like the chrome tips on the PSE, and the aural effect of the PSE is gorgeous too. Shame you can't have your cake and eat it too.
quad exhaust is a must, and aftermarket piping with pops n crackles the best solution.
Individual mode needs to be programmed to the driver's preferences. I ticked the sport mode and sports exhausts boxes when programming mine so when I drive in individual mode (which is most of the time, but only after the engine comes up to operating temperature) it burbles away as you would expect. Ordering sports exhausts was the right decision for me. In saying that I am also glad I ordered keyless entry and drive as I appreciate being able to pop the boot open by placing my hand on the front bumper under the crest. I think many people will disagree with me on this point also and consider it an unnecessary expense. I would be pleased to have other subscribers view on the light design package.
Hey Nick. Another great video, as usual. Someone may have already commented on this (I didn't read all the comments) but I wanted to correct one thing in your video. Based on my experience with my GTS, if you choose the Sport Mode as the driving mode in your Individual setting, you will get the crackles and pops the same as if you just manually select the Sport mode.
Yes you are correct!
P.S. I agree with your opinion. The four pipes look way better! Great post, Nick! :)
To me the sports exhaust was worth it and made such a huge difference on the 991.1. However on the 991.2 it doesn't seem to make a big difference and still isn't loud enough to mask the turbo whistle.
I love the look of the quad but the 911 just sounds so good with a nastier exhaust note. I recently drove Matt Moreman's GT3 and I would have to say it is the best sounding car I have ever had the privilege of driving. The 911 is an amazing car in every level it can be purchased. I will own one. Great video Nick!!
Yeah I'm with you on this one, has the 997 c4s rear look which I like a lot
Great video, Nick. The quad exhaust looks much more menacing and muscular. It's the one I'd pick too!! Keep up the good work!!
How about an aftermarket 4-pipe exhaust for your car?
Really useful blogg as I have just configured my wife’s car and like you opted for the better looking quad pipes, she had an F type SVR before and that was louder than my Ducati, so loud was not a priority. Also love the wiz of the turbo.
Greetings from downunder! I agree that the PSE on the 991 appears to have a minimal impact on the sound and I probably wouldn't spec it for that reason..quite apart from the NON PSE quad pipes which I also agree look better. Having said that a standard 997.2 S is much quieter and as result I've fitted PSE and a backbox bypass....which sounds wonderful and also has the burbling on the overrun.
The quad looks soo much better than the sports, and if the quads aren't loud enough Fabspeed has your answer
nice. I have a 335is and love the sound of the PE. 911's sound great.
I think u did right. 4 pipes look much better then 2 and u save 3k $. For 3k $ u can burbling all day when u drive it. I must admit that we have the same taste about configuring P911 and that's why i like your videos.
Fabspeed have a interesting aftermarket exhaust for the 991.2 where you get the quad pipes and all the crackle you want.
Sport Exhaust sounds better and is cheaper than after market. Also I love the twin pipes close together make it look like a GT-3!
Quad exhausts look way better, should of been the other way around with the sport option having them.
4 will always be better than 2! 4 looks better, I'd save the cash tbh. Great video as always, and William.
The quad exhausts look much much better imo! I love the PSE Sound however, more than I love the look of the quad exhaust! I think Porsche should have made the dual exhaust the standard and the quad for the models that spec PSE then the better looking 991.2‘s would also be the louder ones.
Why am I only seeing oval dual exhaust instead of the quad exhaust tips on the non sport exhaust ?
I have the sports exhaust on mine... = happy camper too! Love the clapback sound too!
Sport Exhaust sounds better but looks worse, what about an aftermarket system like Akrapovic ?
Like the sound of PSE but the look of the standard exhaust. It's just such as expensive option, which I know I should be used to with Porsche
No Nick you picked the best exhaust, looks wise, that sport exhaust hasn't grown on me at all but I still like your friends car🤗
Agree, looks so much better with quad. Wish sports came in quad, think it does now for 2021
Hi Nick, I think the perception of width has more to do with the colour of the car than the number/location of the exhaust outlets. Having said that, I prefer the looks of the quad exhausts. Regardless of how many outlets, I'd also choose to go without the PSE - your car makes enough noise without it.
Those "burbles and crackles" should be the engine delaying ignition to keep pressure in the turbo, the sport exhaust just makes them more audible
I believe you're secretly in love with the PSE...
IM A BIG FAN OF YOR CHANNEL NICK!!! I AGREE THE STANDARD EXHAUST IS MUCH MORE BEST LOOKING
Yup, standard exhaust looks better sports exhaust sounds better. What about upgrading to a aftermarket exhaust that looks similar to the stock one?
Win win for nicks car. Quad exhaust looks the best. And Nicks car sounds betyer imo. Clean note. You can really hear the famous porsche flat 6 hum.
It does work on individual if you set it to be sport. the individual mode you set it how u want it, it's not a default mode.
Quad aftermarket exhaust would probably sound better and still look good
Hi Nick! Thank you so very much! Your videos are entirely amazing and really beautiful in production quality, and the information presented, especially on the Porsche brand, so dearly needed and so very much appreciated! ... P.S. I agree with you, I think that the BEEG bum of the Carrera 911 991.2 4S with the four exhaust pipes, is entirely gorgeous :)!... P.P.S. I think the T-shirts from "Nick's Silly Shop" to be entirely great too :)!
Thank you : )
The sound of the standard exhaust may not be as loud, but it's better sounding than the artificial mechanical farts from the sports exhaust.
I don't know, Nick, from the outside, yours sounded better, imo. The four pipes also make a huge difference. Good choice :)
The comparos between 911's is like trying to decide between two supermodels. It's win-win.
If anyone is interested in great sounds, a Cayman/boxster S (none 718) or higher with PSE is exhilarating in cabin and outside. No arguments. But for 911s I can see the debate on whether or not to get PSE (or maybe after market). The engine sounds quiet a bit further away (obviously) and the exhilaration is more diminished (obviously again, since Mid engine Vs rear engine and maybe even natural aspirated vs turbo). I have not driven a 911S, but I did heavy compare my Cayman GTS with a high specced base 991.1 that had sports exhaust and more comfort features, with the exhaust on it still sounded less exhilarating than the Cayman and sounded more tamed in cabin (cabin only). Cayman obviously destroyed the base 911 in terms of emotions, exhilaration, and well pretty much everything, then again, it also is supposed to be a bit more raw feeling than a comfort specced base 911 and costed quiet a bit more than the 911 I was looking at.
Your decision was right. The serial exaust fits much better to the car and even the sound of the sport exaust isn't very impressive compared to the standard one ;) I ordered some weeks ago a BMW M140i (hatch version of M 240i but not available in the US). The standard exaust of this car is OK but I guess I will go to a complete exaust system from Remus or Akrapovic later. It is not the " level of noise" but the volume of the sound what makes them interesting (and by the way these kind of exaust systems bring around 15 HP more and also more Nm). Maybe that kind of stuff could be an option for your 911 too ;)
I also prefer the look of the stock system. And if the sound is not loud enough, there are after market systems that will sound much better and louder than the expensive PSE system of Porsche. But I still think the 991 without turbo sound better...
I fully agree, the regular (four pipes) version looks much better. I love the sound of the sport exhaust but wouldn’t take it for its looks.
I actually like the way the normal exhaust sounds but I like the way the sports exhaust looks. idk I guess i'm weird
If you have the 991.2 in sport mode it will turn on the exhaust as well as give you lots of nice pops and bangs, if you only have the exhaust on its not as interesting.
For the 3k you can get a exhaust system that’s really sounds like one and the 4 exhausts make the car look way wider and better imo