There's Something In The Attic: Hinterkaifeck killings | Detective Ridiculous
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The Hinterkaifeck murders occurred on the evening of 31 March 1922, when six inhabitants of a small Bavarian farmstead, located approximately 70 kilometres (43 mi) north of Munich, Germany, were murdered by an unknown assailant.
Prior to the incident, the family and their previous maid reported hearing strange sounds coming from the attic, which led that maid to quit. The case remains unsolved to this day. 
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Murder-suecide accident theory has one small problem... He tripped on the pickaxe and burried himself with his family under the hay?
exactly what I was thinking. Now MAYBE they moved his body to hide it with the rest, but seems off since the og villagers that found the bodies claimed they were all there.
When he tripped he really tripped like some slapstick kinda shit
@@lliamdavis6950 i mean. In this version of the story villagers are innocent so they have no reson to lie about what they found even if they did move it later.
And while the autopsy report might Nov be exactly perfect quality I doubt they would miss three days worth of corpse decay between the bodies
@@Azrael178 the german police claims to have solved the crime but keep it classified to protect living relatives of the murderer/s. So yeah i dont think he tripped
@@mememachine6022 isnt there a time limit where it has to go public or am i thinking of autopsy reports?
51:44 "You utter fool! German fairy-tales are the most grimdark in the world!" *Summons the Scissorman from "Little Suck A Thumb" as his stand*
what if:
andreaz did the murders, lorenz went to see his child, discovered what andreaz did and killed him out of grief.
he tended to the farm for days as a way to cope/denial, but when the reality settled in, he sent the search party
I think the whole family got murdered by the major. There could be other people involved but the guy even went on record to say they deserved it and god judged them
If that were the case, I don't think Lorenz would care to place Andrez alongside the rest of the family.
I had a thought along this line. Andreaz murdered his family and the maid before going on with regular farm work, buisness as usual. When Lorenz comes over to visit he discovers that his lover and two children were murdered brutally and brutally murders Andreaz in turn.
Holes still exist in this theory though; who was skulking around the farm and why was Lorenz so bold with his actions leading up to and after the official discovery of the crime?
Oh damn i think you're on to something
This hold the most water
When I was 10 years old my uncle discovered a man living in our crawlspace, so this is already creepin' me out
this is probably my worst nightmare
Another reason as to why you guys need to build your houses differently.
@@rayvg7709 Try telling that to housing companies here
Damn, I'd barricade such crawlspaces like Fort Knox and a heavy lock.
No way I could live with that possibility :')
my grandparents house had a basement and crawlspaces and closets and hideyholes. As a kid it was fun. Imagining living there now would be terrifying.
Since DK is starting to learn about German murdercrimes, I can't wait until he ever stumbles upon the origins of the vampire of Düsseldorf
Or Armin Meiwes. That would a doozy of a case to cover.
Hey, I just watched the movie that "wasn't" based on that case!
Seany bean
wonder if theyll ever go over that psycho woman from america who tortured and killed dozens of slaves in her attic and then fled to france.
Or any of the other vampires. We got a bunch of them
I can’t believe you were planning the first episode as a one off. This series is so amazing.
The real April Fools joke was that stories we learned along the way
SOOOO AMAZING!!! All of these stories I’ve heard before but so many details and theories I’ve never even heard of!!!
It's better than normal adeptus ridiculous and literally the only reason I still watch lol
@@TheKlawwGang888 that's going in the book of grudges
What's worse than warhammer lore tragedies? Real life lore tragedies now presented by the brickman, lower case donkey kong, and a mute psychopath angel
Isn't "real life lore" just called history?
@@Ian.420 lore sounds cooler but yes
Hey hitler, how are you doin today
Thanks hitler
Tonite on Ridiculous gear: Bricky is inside the attic, DK becomes maidenless and Shy pretends she is columbo
what you mean "pretends"
@@forkittens Just one more thing sir
How can one "become" maidenless when one is maidenless to begin with?
@@IdioticSynergy "What are you getting at Columbo?"
Too fast!
DK is a good friend for helping Bricky out when he forgot what the poster was. Kind of embarrassing that he didn't know what the content of his own merch was, but luckily DK had his back.
a cursed item that need to be purged
@@ryanadams0922 yes brother we need everyone we can get to try and purify the wrongs they have committed
@@NightMeteor21 would you believe me if I told you that I had just properly finished listening to this podcast 2 minutes ago and wondered if anyone had commented to OP and saw no one and than your comment came up? Spooky
Not saying that the neighbour wasn't sketchy as hell, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Assuming Joseph was his kid, I can 100% believe he would brazenly go into the house to find his son. I helped my ex fiance raise her son while we were together, and if I went to her house, and saw some shit like that, I'd be running straight in there to find him
What if the grandfather did murder his family but was discovered later by the neighbour who killed him for his son.
Not a bad idea
I had the same thought
...and decided to use the same murder weapon, and hide the body in the same place?
@@cavenoises3891 you could write it off as the work of a serial killer that Noone found if they knew he killed the father then the cops may lump him in for killing the whole family
Easily one of my favorite mysterious cases, extremely eerie and it plays into that fear of someone being in your home without you i knowing. Can’t wait to watch this !
as the guy that lives in your walls, I'll have you know we are not all murdering psychos. don't judge us all on the actions of the crazy outliers.
I love how someone is like "Let me tell you about how an entire family was brutally murdered," and you're like "Yay, I love this story!"
Maybe the neighbour is the father of the child & is concerned about Victoria & the child. He tells his sons that he's going to town for a few days, but instead goes to the farm, breaks the lock, sneaks in, steals keys & hides in the attic, to listen in. After several days all is quiet. He goes down to investigate & finds Andreas has killed everyone. He kills Andreas, waits a couple of days, then goes home to his sons. Then comes back with them to 'find' the bodies.
DK should do a Detective Ridiculous on The Missoula Mauler. Mainly because of how his murder streak ended.
Idk who that is and am too lazy to research it myself, so I do hope he covers it.
Look, let's be honest, Missoula needs a win right now.
@@joshua41175 It's Missoula's only claim to fame, it's not interesting enough to be Great Falls or the capital like Helena
Tonite on DeRic: Shy got a hold of a blunt weapon in form of a skull still attached to the spine. DK hides under the table to find comfort in anime waifus on his iPad. Bricky is in your walls... RUN NOW
if bricky is in your walls all you have to do is give him a bane blade and you get three free wishes
Honestly one of my favorite creepy unsolved mysteries, partly for the "killer living in the house" twist and partly for being how I learned what a mattock was, among other reasons. Really hope that one day they will cover the Keddie Cabin murders. If you think this is creepy imagine a brutal murder happening while you're asleep in literally the next room.
I thought it was solved but the identity is hidden to prevent the family to get targetted
imagine applying to the German police force and getting turned down, then finding out it's because they suspected your grandpa of beaning a whole family to death
Hinterkaifeck is a great word in scrabble and is also my safe word...Maybe that's why I keep ending up unconscious
*Slow clap*
@@burstingwizard975 That's what she gave me
@@IdioticSynergy 🤣
@@IdioticSynergy Well played, very well played
@@burstingwizard975 cheers mate
I like to imagine the killer didn't live in the house after the murders and it was the townsfolk that ate the food while snooping around. With the excuse being it would be a crime to let this food go to waste.
Bad dum tss
This one was really good! I've begun looking forward to these a lot more, they sort of bookend each month for me. Great work guys!
chilluminatti is a similar show. i use it to keep me sated between these episodes.
@@forkittens Wow! I've never heard of that channel before, thank you for the recommendation!
As much as I enjoy hearing about unsolved cases, I hope there will be some stories on this show where the crime was solved, but the solution was absolutely mindblowing. Bricky's reactions to that would be amazing.
Apparently people are saying it was solved but german police are hiding the identity to protect the family. I could be wrong tho
What about multiple murderers? That would solve the "Murder suicide" theory. What I think it sounds like is that the old man killed his family with the mattock and then continued living in the house for a while, not sure what to do, when the neighbour found out and killed him. It's a theory that uses the most bits of evidence that I could, I think. Though mainly it covers how the old man could have done most of the murders, but not then committed this weird suicide that doesn't entirely add up.
I kind of wonder if someone may have been "squatting" on their property, hence all the stuff with the newspaper, attic, and such. It could have been the previous husband of Victoria, or maybe the guy doing repairs... Could even be a complete stranger, who was just squatting long enough to grow familiar with them, and even resent them. I also find it strange how the previous maid, and any connections she may have had, didn't seem like they were actively sought after. Maybe she, a boyfriend, or other friend or relative, harbored a grudge against the family due to what she kept witnessing during her employment. Mostly I find the timing strange, because the whole family, and even the new maid, got killed shortly after the previous one left.
I thought that horror stories had made me numb. But listening to this episode on a late night drive home freaked me out more than I've been freaked out in fucking YEARS. Good job. This and the Mittank disappearance are my favorite episodes in the series.
This series started as a joke but I make sure not to miss a single episode.
I’ve heard of murders where the suspect assumed the family life living alongside the corpses for a short time. I believe it often has something to do with creating the “perfect home life” in order to experience it themselves? Can’t have family arguments where everyone is dead, and the killer can just be one of the family since no one can object to their presence…
If I recall correctly. Germany was doing very poorly economically at this time, having lost the war and having to pay impossibly large war reparations and an already damaged economy to begin with. Maybe the cops doing the autopsy on scene and only taking 5 photos had something to do with the probably very limited budget and massive inflation. Probably also why the home invader never took the money, because it would have been losing its value by the second. The food and shelter was probably more valuable to them at the time, maybe they stayed while processing what they did, or Maybe he was in the attic the whole time and trying to abuse some sort of squatters rights.
I love these so much! Please don't stop making them!
I love these videos so much, im glad that they became a regular thing
In Germany we actually have our own Alabama, it’s called Saarland
So they can hear the animals being disturbed but no screams or murder noises coming from the same area?
Infrasound carries farther
@@Si_Sireeni what would make animals being disturbed as infrasoun
@@ColdNorth0628 I'm thinking these were cattle making the noises, and they can go pretty low when they're distressed. Of course, we can't hear the infrasound, but the waves in a similar free can go for a pretty long distance
"fallen on" may also mean that he purposefully fell on the weapon to kill himself, but yeah if we assume that the dads body was also hidden in the hay with the rest of the bodies BEFORE being played with by the onlookers it would be weird for it to be him, since how could he hide his own dead body?
Something worth to be noted is that a majority of the files were destroyed due to bombings in 1944.
I completely forgot today was the upload for Detrctive Ridiculous. I hope DK hosting bleeds over into more regular episodes though. I know it's sorta hard, since Bricky is a meganerd and already knows the basic gist of most of 40k. Maybe a few more spinoff episodes like the squats, or maybe DK can dive into something like Star Wars or Star Trek for a few one offs. Either way, I fucking love this podcast
Ahh I know this'll be good! I first heard of this from Bedtime Stories and now you're doing it! Awesome!!
It's just a hypothesis, but what if Andreas took the women to the barn, killed them, killed the other two same time or later, then Lorenzo found the murder scene, kills Andreas, then says nothing afterwards?
The thick plottens...
Maybe with the other two guys being in on it.
@@mapleflag6518 I think the two guys where there as a cover up for Lorenzo. Maybe they figured He kill this ass hat old man for his kid vengeance we should turn a blond eye and cover for him. Also pile them all up just so that's confusing
37:29 I’m making a guess now, since they were hearing footsteps from the attic, all were murdered and the guy stayed at the house, I think it was a deserter who did it.
The guy is not afraid to kill, could hide well, and since if he is discovered he’ll be shot so you have a good reason behind it.
Love the episode! Still holding out hope that they will cover cryptids at some point!
14:38 ....ok so this IS the story I thought it was! I’ve looked Thai up before and had NO IDEA all this other stuff happened too.
Great episode and love the ones that you pick DK they are interesting
You should do ghosts for the October episode.
Aw hell yeah I love these segments
A man who falls on his own murder weapon, cannot bury themselves in hey after the fact.
The Andreas theory seems weird because he was under the hay with the other bodies
It's due to the Townsfolk tampering with THE CRIME SCENE.
Very intresting to hear DK And Bricky discuss Hinterkaifeck. I actually live about 15 minutes away from the crimscene.
the Story has been told to us a Like a spooky tale as Kids And later in we learned it was a real Thing that happened.
As Teens we went there to have a Look but its Just a barren field now... Its so wierdly awesome to see all sorts of Podcasts from the US Cover it now
Nice overview of the case. Also, Kilroy should show up on the corkboard behind DK some time.
Finally its that time!! Detective episode wooo
I know that story about murder of a whole family is an awful, terrible thing. Yet i feel so giddy as i witness Massive Lad at 1:03:11. My happiness is immeasurable, and my day is saved.
7:46 there’s a archer quote that fits perfectly with this
“What is it, the Alabama of Europe?”
"He's in the walls, HE'S IN THE GODDAMN WALLS!"
I've seen what I did at 120lbs whilst swinging a mattock at concrete. Now I'm 225lbs Im horrified to think of what I could do to a human being with one 😬
1:02:22 Fürstenfeldbruck Police Academy clearly disagree with this theory since they believe the person who did it went on to have descendants... so who still actively has grandchildren?!?!?!
It's the last name association. A person who had *sons.* We all know who actually did it, but we're not allowed to say due to legal repercussion, and let's face it... he himself tried suing the media before for defamation of character.
I might like this spin off more than Adeptus. Damn. He is such a good host
i feel like it was probably just a crazy guy that lived in their roof who killed them all and left
"I can't think of a German joke for food." ..... Seinfeld, "No soup for you!"
Why should we have no soup?
So maybe the old guy both killed someone and then was murdered himself perhaps?
Take their heads.
What?!
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SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
BLUT FÜR DEN BLUTGOTT!
@@xaga8794
Schädel für den Schädelthron!
Lorenz claimed the key was already in the door when he got there.
It could be that the father did it, stayed for a few days, and then the neighbor came by and stumbled across what happened and killed the father.
6:02 You missed the obvious, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!"
For April first, they should do an Ace Combat lore dump while pretending it’s a 40k video
Also it would be cool if you did an episode on the mad gasser of mattoon, an incident in my local area from the 1940’s about an alleged attacker who would induce paralysis and hallucinations with gas.
native german speaking dude confirms (almost) correct pronunciation :D
I would absolutely love it of DK looked up up Khamar Daban incident where a group fo hikers all died save one. The story the surviver tells raises WAAAAYY more questions than it answers and to this day no one knows what the cause of death was. The RUclips Wendigoon has an amazing video on it and goes in depth on alot of the theories about what happened
To me it feels like there were two killers. The father killed his family and then a few days later the neighbor found the scene and killed the father.
1:01:32 Then why even make an announcement saying they were gonna look into it if they weren’t going to reveal who the suspect is in the first place!?
Those first two children who presumably died actually hid in the attic. Family thought they ran away and being ashamed, they said they died. When the children from the attic were discovered by Grubers, kids killed them.
Beginning of the episode: All those stereotypes of Bavaria being the Alabama of Germany make a lot more sense now.
End of the episode: Munich Mattoch Massacre.
Eh Saarland is Alabama. Bavaria is from wha to got told California or Texas
I wonder if they will cover the Appin murders, it'll be weird to hear the go over my family history but still interesting
what.
@@cavenoises3891 the actual fuck?
Next time, can yall cover the Cleveland Torso Killer, or perhaps the Axman of New Orleans?
are you guys gonna do an episode on the raven guard?
I think dude tripped and fell on his pickaxe, just because one household was wiped out doesnt mean cousins arent out there...or the neighbor, probably the neighbor.
Another big thing that's being left out of this is how different German culture is and Culture is in the 20s. Germans valued stoicism and tended to be very brazen in their ideas of what masculinity is. It's quite fascinating
You guys ever going to talk about Skidmore, Missouri and the murder of Ken Mcelory?
Slightly missed detail here to clear the father. Weren’t they all stacked under a pile of hay? How would he have gotten there if he fell on the murder weapon
Combined the theories, Krueger kill his family in the neighbor, killed Gruber in response. Also, sidenote, the neighbor had people living with him and they would’ve noticed if he had been at the house for the last three days or so.
The idea that the family would have known them doesn't make a lot of sense with all of the potential attic-movement and secret break-in sort of stuff.
It doesn't fit schluttenbauer, because we know he has a revolver. There may be obvious reasons he didn't use it (sound for one), but it is an argument against.
Honestly the psycho killer kind of makes more sense than the rest in my eyes.
LOVE THE INTRO song!!!!!
Do the Bloody Benders of Kansas
Is bricky going to make a bad joke at the end of an episode?
y e a h
I'm waiting for the day these three end up solving one of these somehow.
1st episode of detective ridiculous: haha, what crazy bikinis that cooped fellow got up to.
6th episode: this is the story of how an entire family was murdered.
I think DK and Bricky don't understand that they talk about not abstract Germany but Weimar Republic right after WWI. No wonder there was so many "lacklustering".
How about this? The father kills the family then someone walks in and sees what the bastard did and kills him. Someone who would be enraged by such an action. Someone who had easy access and could slip away only to return when things had started to get suspicious enough he had to do something to hide how he murdered a murderer and then hide what he knew so he wouldn't get blamed for the deaths he didn't do.
Possibly that other dude being Lorenzo.
@@mapleflag6518 and the people knew enough history of him and Victoria and just did a community effort of contaminating and arranging the bodies in odd ways to threw off the cops and help Lorenzo Scot of. Like imagine this guy lost his lover, and son, now his losing his other sons and by far worse may be executed cause the government probably don't care shit anyways cause of budget restraint and would rather hang people straight up, so the town figure they help lorenzo off his crime tracks and make a ludicrous theory and still put the blame on Andreas just to spite for a prick he was
@@stalinsoulz7872 Or how about this? On that fateful March night, Andreas was drunk and was coming back in from planting crops using the mattock because It was the beginning of the agricultural season in Germany when he got into an argument with his wife and Andreas eventually got sent into a rage and killed her. Everyone heard her screams and rushed in to find see Andreas standing over the body of his wife Andreas, not wanting anyone to report him to the police, then proceeded to kill everyone else in the house. Then the next day: Lorenz entered the house perhaps coming to pay his illegitimate son a visit when he found a grisly sight with almost everyone lying dead and Victoria’s daughter in pain slowly dying. and when Andreas was confronted by Lorenz, Andreas begged Lorenz not to tell anyone probably even offering him money. To which Lorenz agreed. Lorenz and Andreas would take the bodies and put them in the
hay But as soon as they were done, Lorenz, Absolutely furious about what had happened to his son, proceeded to use the mattock to bludgeon Andreas to death and then Lorenz put his body in the hay.
Sweet home Bavaria!
Could you do the killing of Ken Rex McElroy? I think that would make for an interesting episode!
I think I read an SCP article partially based on something like this. Only the killer was a Krampus like figure. Killed all the family and cared for the animals.
You should talk about The Man From The Train next.
When Bonnie and Clyde were killed people were try to cut off hair touch there blood and take there fingers. That's what the town folks sound like in this episode.
Also the main reason why the Valisca Axe Murders were unsolved was because the local authorities didn’t secure the scene and allowed people to HANDLE THE AXE USED IN THE MURDERS.
Wasnt a bloke who took a piece of skull of one victim? Or was it another one?
46:41 you also have the food and stuff and someone living there AND taking care of the animals.
.... and the old guy was definitely dead around the same time as the others.
You guys should at one point do the real blue beard from austria at some point
my only issue is with any suspect having a grudge or a thing with the family is the MAID has no ties to any of that so why kill her with the 2 year old and just not leave after the 4 killings and leave the maid and the 2 year old alive cause the 2 year old is in the same boat as the maid no beef with the rest of the family since you said from the house you couldn't hear the screams.
To me the killing of the maid and the 2 year old makes me believe it wasn't any of the suspects you named. and more that likely had no prior contact with the family until the killings.
What if it was a two parter, Andreas kills family and neighbor comes by after to end the old man?
I can't wait until we get the episode where DK describes how Shy murdered him and Bricky!
1:02:40 DR2 Case 5 LET'S GO
This sounds very similar to the murder cases of Belà Kiss.
A Few cases id love to see Bricky react to: Ken Rex McElroy, Keddy cabin and Lake Bodom. I had been hoping for Hinterkaifeck and am so glad to see it.
was ken's murder justified?!
@@mattus3157 The guy was a pedo, so yes it was justified.
deff a stalker staying in their home/land
they thought there was ghosts and felt eyes on them, some snow trail directly to but not away from home, and a buncha other signs of familiarity with the location from the killer
deff someone living in their home/land that they didnt know existed in my opinion, they'd know whats up and where things are and potentially have reasons to kill everyone beyond random acts of violence even if those reasons are a bit cray and not fully sound
plus its in the years before forensic analysis so the party at the crime scene isnt much of a surprise but the catalog of who tampered with the scene is kind of strange and may potentially be evidence added after the fact because again its before locking down crime scenes to avoid contamination was a thing at a place where locals arrived before the police and basically put together a potluck on the scene
I don’t necessarily believe the theory that the dad did it, but just here to point out that “falling” on the weapon was a way of unaliving yourself pre-firearm or where firearms weren’t common, since it prevented your brain from doing that thing where it doesn’t let you use a lot of force against yourself. Hence the ye olden insult of telling someone to “fall on your sword” being the same as someone today saying to kys. So in that case the farher would have killed his family, kept living for a while, then himself when he couldn’t live with it
Ngl, I had to remind the intro because I thought it was shy laughing.