@@JustJoshTech The quiz says there is no recommendable laptops despite any combination of criteria i choose. I chose highest budget and answered yes/no to the 2 graphical needs questions and it is always returning "Unfortunately, right now we do not have a new laptop to recommend."
If you go into engineering, absolutely DO NOT buy an Apple laptop. Many engineering applications do not run on them, the best example of which is solidworks.
Yes, back in the day, MS would allow BootCamp, but now, even with a VM, the Macs would be stuck with WOA and rely on native ARM versions of these specific software requirements (no guarantee). So sadly, MacBooks are no longer viable for some courses.
Yikes, I never knew SOLIDWORKS couldn't run directly on it, that is probably the most well known engineering software. I understand something like Ansys not working, but SOLIDWORKS is shocking.
@@cameronbosch1213yes I would consider an Apple MacBook or a good windows laptop. And it’s worth spending the extra money if the kid needs it for college. A brand new M2 or M3 MacBook will get them through all 4 years or 6+ easy. Getting the $300-500 might start falling apart by year 3 or 4. For a high school I would do it but not a college student who heavily relies on their computer for pretty much everything
I finished university about a month ago but I just wanted to say DO NOT get a MacBook Air if you are planning to use Excel. The app crashes frequently, can't handle large datasets, lacks certain features and the shortcuts are really confusing. I literally had to use my old windows laptop to submit my assignments because my mac couldn't upload documents on safari or chrome.
I bought the Zenbook 14 for my son when he went off to college in Australia. He likes it. I got a very good deal from BestBuy @$749. The price fluctuates often so wait for a sale. It comes with the Core Ultra 7 155H, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. The laptop is quite fast and my son can play some of his favorite games on it. It also runs Jupyter Notebooks well. Battery life was pretty good. We left it on playing the RUclips favorite Costa Rica in 4K. After an hour, the battery was only down 9%. So I have confidence this could last all day long if starting a 100% battery. So far he's pretty happy with it.
@@premprakash2297 i am studying comp sci. the zenbook 14 is on sale right now it has twice the ram and HDD for less than the zenbook X but less resolution (its 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA)). What do you think is better ??
If you're in Finance, stay away from a Mac. Finance classes often teach Excel based on PC shortcuts. You'd like to think it's just a simple swap of the Ctrl key for the Cmd Key but it's not. You WILL be lost.
@joyals2811 Either a refurbished Thinkpad T14s G4 or refurbished Dell Latitude 7440/7450. If you are short, Dell XPS 13 9340 with a $20 dongle to compensate for limited port selection.
@@joyals2811 Dell laptops are amazing. Especially higher tier inspirons, and then xps or latitude. But even other Dells can be amazing depending on each model. Thinkpads are great but many times have bad screeens and missing other things, but Thinkpad X1 csrbons are great and if used at great prices.
My nephew is starting university this fall. He's not a PC gamer and isn't going to study anything that requires a lot of computing resources. However, based on what he tried, he wanted a 16-inch laptop. We chose a 2023 LG Gram 16 with an i7-1360p CPU, 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB of storage, and a 1600p touchscreen that was on clearance for $750 from Costco so it fit perfectly into his $800 maximum budget.
I saw someone commenting on engineering softwares not running on mac. As a computer engineering student with an M1 Mac I can add my experience to that. First off, you can run Windows on ARM using a VM but the only way of the experience being minimally usable is for the engineering software to have a Windows ARM version, which almost all don't. Softwares I had troubles with: Softwares with limited functionality compared to Windows: LTSpice, Autocad, Visual Studio, Excel, Matlab Softwares unavailable on mac: SolidWorks, PTC Creo, Altium, PSPice, Intel Quartus Prime, Mikro C for Pic
I picked up the HP Pavilion 14 from Microcenter for $440 after tax. I don't think there's a better deal. OLED and AMD 7840U alone are easily worth the price, and it still has 1TB of storage and 16GB of RAM. Before the fall semester starts, students really should look out for particularly good sales.
Yup! Got the pavilion 14 plus for 750 last year, and it's an insane deal. I recommend it to everyone I know going to school. The battery life is good (9 hours of actual usage), the screen is amazing, the weight is light at 3lbs, and the performance is stellar! 16GB of ram with 1tb of storage?? Thus laptop came out in 2023 and is still unbeaten in all these metrics. Best bang for your buck!
If you're going into molecular biology, pharmacology, biochemistry or bioinformatics, x86 Windows is the only option. There are so many programs (particularly lab equipment-specific software from like the early 2000s) that simply will not run on anything else. Also if you're doing any sort of genomic or data work, CUDA is extremely useful and only available on x86 devices with nvidia GPUs.
If you study architecture or anything engineering, forget about using a mac, unless the specific field you study won't require anything that doesn't run on it. I've researched into getting a cheaper gaming desktop with sufficient processing power, and then get a tablet like the S9 FE to mirror the screen, it's much lighter, the battery lasts longer, and it's great for taking notes, then rendering when needed, just connect to the pc. In the long run it's cheaper as you can upgrade the pc, the only downside is a bit of latency for the mirroring. This of course will be a bit more expensive at first, but you never risk damaging your main machine because of spills and drops on the go, had to learn that the hard way, and every project i was working on was also lost.
I am using the HP Spectre X360, 2024 model, with Wi-Fi 6/Bluetooth 5.4, 32 GB RAM/1 TB SSD, and an i7-155H processor. I purchased it from their website for $1350, which is not too bad for such a laptop. It has good battery life, while doing basic tasks, and performs well. Also, I did not have any heat issues or fan noise when running a virtual macOS. As someone who is sensitive to fan noise, especially while recording vocals, I believe this laptop handles that well. So I do recommend this laptop. MacBooks are also great!
I am currently using M1 Air base model and was thinking of getting a refurbished 14 inch M1 MacBook Pro. But I am worried of how long it will be supported as I might need one for next 5 years with the same performance. SO I thought of the 1 inch M2 pro but it more expensive by 400 USD. Which one should I get?
I’m still using my 2019 MB Air with 8GB of RAM, and its performance seems to be decreasing everyday lol. I’m researching laptops for almost 6 months now though I haven‘t found anything perfect yet - I feel it’s best for me to wait as there’s so much going on in the laptop world right now, and new processors around the corner! Also, I’ll go and take the new quiz on the website - really appreciate the effort you guys are putting in!
If you can, then you should wait. I think new CPUs will be released around September. Of course, the laptops will take more time to release, and even more to go on sale. But as you said, I don't think you are in dire need of a replacement. So yeah, waiting will be a nice thing to do.
Me from less developed country where student usually can only afford 300 to 400 USD for laptop with Core i3 or Ryzen 3 even Celeron watching recommended laptop for developed country student laptop that cost 3-4 times our laptop, interesting...
trust me, a large portion of students in the US can also only afford 300-400 for a laptop. we just have access to more refurbished options and discount stores. to a lot of us, these laptops aren’t realistic unless we find an amazing deal on a used one.
@@Elvxn13 are you talking about university student ? 600$ is a budget laptop category for American people on college. unlike on third world country where 600$ considered upper mid range
Last time I was a student, I didn't need cutting-edge performance, just something that wouldn't choke on large PDFs, had good battery life, a solid keyboard, was robust enough to handle some rough use, and was easy to repair in case something happened. I went with a used Thinkpad T480. If you get the variant with the large external battery, you get a total of 96 Wh, which gives outstanding battery life even with a less-efficient 8th-gen Intel CPU. It's also the last T-series Thinkpad with two SO-DIMM slots, though later models still have one slot. It runs Debian stable, and does so flawlessly. My only real complaints are the screen's aspect ratio (give me 16:10, or even better, 4:3) and brightness (250 nits), and the overall weight of the laptop (1.8 kg). That and I still can't find a Markdown editor that I like as much as the one I used on my decade-old Macbook. If you just need to open PDFs, web browse and write essays, secondhand is definitely the way to go.
The reality is you should be recommending all of these windows laptops that are frequently on sale for like $500 with 16GB of RAM. Best Buy throws devices like the HP Envy and others on sale all the time. Only very very specific majors need to spend $1,000 or more
Not at all. The reason you shouldn't cheap out on your laptop like the ones you're describing is becacuse it's an investment into your education and will be with you for 3-4 years. Those Windows laptops have dreadful battery life and performance and saving a bit more money to get something >$1,000 will be worth it. Believe me, as someone that used to buy inexpensive tech, I save more money buying quality stuff that will last a long time
I bought the HP Envy 16 (it cost me 1300 dollars with i7 16gb RAM 1TB storage and Intel Arc with 120 hz 2.5K panel). I don't recommend the x360 versions at all, or else gl with the hinges lol
There's a difference between cheap and actually decent quality, durable, reliable hardware. Extremely few of the $500 laptops I've ever seen have risen above trash tier.
Short-termism is only suggested if your finances as such cannot stretch to a >$1000 laptop, then there is no other way. But if you have the budget, better to buy something with headroom and quality as your future is dependent on a reliable performant PC.
9:07 correct me if I'm wrong but the 780m actually does out perform arc graphics in real world games, while losing in synthetics like time spy. my theory for this is that despite arc being out as long as it has been, the drivers are still nowhere as mature as the AMD drivers for the 780m and thus does not deliver as much gaming performance for the same wattage. (The MSI claw with arc graphics for example are considerably less efficient and less performant at games compared to the Z1 extreme handhelds.)
They're mostly on par, with a lot of games having an advantage on the newer Intel ultra chips and some games being more optimised for AMD's since they've been here for longer than arc gpus. So just check that based on your specific apps/games
@@Jackofafewtrades Like i said, it's newer so it has issues, just check before you buy 🤷♂️ besides they're not unfixable issues, but it's upto you if you want fo deal with them
@@elderman64 for a laptop that's supposed to last 4 years, not to mention 4 very formative years in your life (during which time your tastes may change drastically - I basically stopped playing MOBAs and MMOs during uni and switched to story and puzzle games, for example) why take that risk? Plus, they're not really issues that users can fix. You're basically waiting for Intel to patch in better support via a driver update. Again, why bother for an extra 5% in a few games?
Framework AMD 13 or 16. Upgradable RAM up to 64gb currently that you can buy for yourself. I'm coming from 14" m1 MacBook Pro but need windows for engineering apps, but mostly also I'm excited by having upgradability
Great video but after much research I bought for my daughter (who starts college in the fall) a Lenovo Ideapad Slim 7i with the Intel Core Ultra 7 155H, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and a 14” 1920 x 1200 OLED Touch display. Hopefully it lasts her all 4 years of her Supply Chain Management major. It is replacing her Lenovo Yoga C740 with an Intel 10th Gen i5, 8 GB of RAM, 256 GB SSD and a 14” 1920 x 1080 IPS Touch display that got her through all of High School and still works perfectly, so Lenovo gets my money again. Also, I rock a 14” MacBook M2 Pro and sometimes I need programs that only run on Windows. Even the Mac versions of MS Office (industry standard) sometimes are missing features that the Windows versions do have. I don’t want my daughter dealing with any of that.
After doing a lot of research, I recently purchased the Asus Zenbook 14 OLED in preparation for my studies in Computer Systems Technician. I'm glad to see this video reaffirm my decision in my purchase. Your reviews and videos played a big part in my research. Thank you for making such in-depth videos and giving real-world examples rather than just listing off a spec sheet.
I'm a little miffed Asus all too often uses glossy displays with no anti refletive coating (which really pi55es me off), but apart from that the range of Asus laptops between 800 to a grand are pretty much the best value for money laptops on the market, & have been for the last couple of years. The 2022 S13 (with the AMD 6800U) was an incredible laptop, & I got one new for 750.
@Lee.S321 Yeah, I did see quite a few complaints about that in my research, but considering all factors, I was willing to deal with the reflection issues to get some of the other feature I needed/wanted. I have to say though that, as of right now, I haven't experienced really any issues with reflections in the screen, but this could change once school starts up and I am using the laptop more and in different environments.
@@NinjaDogLCT It comes down to your use case whether the reflections bother you or not, but apart from the reflections many ASUS laptops give you the best bang for your buck you could hope for. Similar thing is happening with the new Qualcomm Surface Pro/laptop. Pretty much the only major complaint I hear is the highly reflective display (but Microsoft products are unlikely to beat ASUS in value for money any time soon).
212 @star-shine0 I don't play any games on it. I use it strictly for school work and browsing the web. For gaming, I have a dedicated gaming laptop. However, my gaming laptop is a few years old now, and if I remember correctly, I believe the on paper specs of my gaming laptop and the Zenbook are not far off from each other. Obviously, the gaming laptop is optimized for gaming, but I see no reason why games like Roblox and Minecraft wouldn't run fine on the Zenbook since they run fine on my gaming laptop. But I know there is a lot more to consider than on paper specs, and I don't want to promise you anything since I have not actually tested it myself. Sorry in advance if this wasn't really helpful.
Josh, as a current user of legion slim 14/uni student studying Compsci, I thought it was worth mentioning that the quite mode on this laptop is awesome! It does not lose that much performance compared to balanced or boost mode and the noise is very minimal. So I was never distracted by the fan noise for this laptop and I believe most legion 14 users will be on quite mode when they game. The biggest downside for me was the bad speakers. The speakers on this laptop is indeed terrible. I think your current opinion about this laptop is much better than what you initially reviewed this laptop, and this is me coming from watching basically all your laptop reviews. I think It would be awesome if you provide another in depth review for this laptop comparing it to other laptops from 2024!
I bought my Galaxy Book 2 Pro last year at a big 50% off and it is an awesome laptop. The only problem I found with it and that it has not been solved is that it randomly resets while on sleep mode. Apart from that, I love it. Awesome video as well
Do not buy a Mac if you are studying finance or something that will frequently use Excel/ MS Office. It has limited functionality and all of your courses will follow windows shortcuts and assume windows features.
I graduated with a degree in Info Sec 5 years ago. In my opinion, for an IT degree you need: 1. A 1920 x 1080p or 1920 x 1200p non-touch screen display. 2. Minimum 16 GB ram 3. At least 2 USB C (At least 1 being Thunderbolt) 4. At least 1 USB A 5. At least 6hr battery life 6. At least 512 GB SSD 7. Minimum Quad core CPU 8. Backlit keyboard 9. Windows OS 10. Less than 5 lbs 11. 13”-16” screen -HDMI and Ethernet port are nice, but not required -Touch screens and 2-in-1s are gimmicky -Higher res is nice, but you may experience scaling issues (especially with VMs). Battery life is also worse -Software compatibility on a Mac is a nightmare unless you run Bootcamp It may be ugly, but the Thinkpad is still one of the best business laptops on the market.
Great video, you make very good points! Earlier this year I picked up the G16 2024 (Core Ultra 9, 32GB, 4070). I went with a 16-inch model instead of a 14-inch model because due to having to live at two separate places (parents), I don't want to have 2 monitor+keyboard setups. It has been working very well for me as an engineering student!
How are you getting this benchmark that Intel is beating amd when it comes to gaming every benchmark I see has 780m significantly out performing the Intel arc, does timespy hugely favor Intel? How about a different you benchmark?
I would recommend the Acer Swift Go 14 Ryzen 7. The price and build quality is insane for the price range, and it has a 1440 webcam with plenty of ports. It weighs 1.32 kg so it’s definitely on the lighter side too. Not recommended for students who has to program heavy stuff, but for casual use.
@@shilpamehta964 it costs a bit more because of the multi-control touchpad. Kind of gimmicky if you ask me🤷♂️. 200$ more just to pause a video isn’t really worth it.
Got myself a lenovo years back, then Asus, then back to lenovo legion. I can say Legion line up is the best for performance and cooling. If you can tolerate the weight (+ power brick is huge) + low battery time, it's perfect for gamer student
99% of college programs don't require Windows specifically. Most computer science students even roll with a MacBook whereas you might need a Windows machine for stuff like CAD or other engineering programs but it's really more program specific
A MacBook Pro with an M2 Pro and 16 GB RAM and 1 TB storage is the best laptop choice for students. You probably have to install Parallels VM with Windows so you can run Windows-only software. Software such as Solidworks will run in the VM. Not sure about games; if gaming is important, then maybe not Apple. Otherwise, the weight, size, battery life, and ecosystem are worth the cost.
Minor note - Though perhaps not for brand new Linux users, Asahi Linux does run on Apple Silicon Macs. Devs have been able to (and continue to work on) reverse engineering Apple's hardware. In regards to Framework 13 - The AMD variant would be for almost everybody the much smarter choice over Intel 13th gen (or Core Ultra, which isn't shipping yet) - The main draw being better battery life, less heat, and overall better performance vs Intel.
The framework is a bit expensive in the UK, £1400 for the Ryzen 7/16GB/512GB, and with the new AMDs coming next month, that is poor value compared to what I can buy on Amazon with the same specs and OLED instead of LCD, which is close to half the price. I think Framework is a lifestyle choice that is not of value to a student.
@@andyH_England Careful using OLED with office-type apps. The burn in issues are better than they used to be but not fully solved. The value in Framework is in being able to actually repair and upgrade the thing. Yeah it costs a bit more up front... What's it going to cost to repair/upgrade most other 2024 models (assuming its even an option)? Are they all easy to disassemble, easy to obtain proper parts, when the stupid kid in in class walks by and knocks a laptop off a table? Or you get dumb and dump coffee on the thing? Its sad seeing so many people spending $750, $1000, $1500 every 2 or 3 years because they went with poorly built machines, completely soldered/glued junk, etc. No reason to keep needing to buy the same perfectly working components over and over again, even if only to upgrade a processor/motherboard.
@@andyH_EnglandThe thing is that you can actually run Linux on Framework laptops officially, which can be huge for CS students. Heck, that's a huge reason I went for them.
Thanks for the great video! I also saw your video about the 9i 2 in 1, sadly it is out of my budget. So what do you think about the yoga 7 2 in 1, especially the AMD version?
Josh and team - first, awesome review and advice - thank you! I keep wondering why the G16 4080 isn't highlighted more - is it because it is out of the price range for an average student machine? The yoga is amazing, but is lacking the battery. The G16 lasts 9-10 hours, and offers better graphics. Any feedback on the G16 4080? -- I believe you recommended it over the G16 4070, but haven't heard more on it. Thanks again for any feedback - and love the content!
I will be studying both ecology and data science this year. Therefore I assume that I will need at least 16 GB RAM, an Intel Ultra 7 processor, 1 TB memory, and an RTX 4050 graphic card all in a laptop of less than 2 kg (since I might need to bring the laptop to the field). Hence, my eyes are set on the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 with an ultra 7 processor, 1 TB memory, an RTX 4050 graphics card, and 32 GB RAM. It is by far the best value for price (instead of MacBook Pro with M3/M2 Pro chip). The only concern I have is the battery life. Is there any tips to get a longer battery life with a Windows laptop and keep the battery health in check?
I am working as a software engineer, for any one in software get any old i5 or i7 or similar ryzen put a ssd into it and upgrade the ram to a minimum of 16 gigs and install Linux you will face a lot of software related issues which will make you a better engineer.(note if you want to develop software for ios u need a mac also do not get 13th and 14th gen intel processors)
Thanks for mentioning about your website, I've looking for a best Laptop guide website but didn't even exist, until now. I'm a big fan JoshTech, keep up the good work.
For a business or an econ student, the best blind pick would be a x series thinkpad. For about a 1000 dollars you would get a portable powerhouse which would fulfill all ur needs with the added reliability of a thinkpad. Sure you compromise a bit on screen size but it shouldn’t hurt that much as you are getting world class battery life. And let’s be honest it’s a thinkpad so it’s gonna easily last 5 6 yrs without any problem. It’s like the MacBook for business n eco students or anyone whose course load isn’t tht much
Not necessarily in big assembly you need a strong GPU for example 1 part doesn't need much processing power but in a assembly there are more then 100 to 150 parts without GPU your cad software would not be able to process and it would lag like crazy 2 to 4 fps which is not suitable for performance and quality that is needed. And I am a cad designer So I am speaking with experience.
Yes. Finally!!! I needed this Also what would be a your recommendation for: student, prefers windows, lasts 5 years in school which isn't anything to professional (all round high school subjects), can stretch to a bit above 1k, your quiz I wasn't entirely sure wether it was in order of most viable to least in your recommendation, I got the framework as first, then sl7, what's your thoughts
The SL7 will be perfect in your usecase honestly. Amazing build quality, longer battery life and most of the apps you need are supported. The only thing running for the framework is its upgradability
@@wanttywontty yeah, I definitely was ignoring that, didn't really want it, do you think it would be better for my use case than hp spectre 14, I could possibly deal with MacBook though
This is the first year after graduating and it feels SO wrong watching this video and thinking I could afford the highest laptop in this list with my own money haha
@Josh, great idea for a database of laptops and their specs/performance. In the old days, Anandtech's Bench database (for CPUs, GPUs) was great, but it died out, not being maintained anymore to the level of before. So something like that for laptops seems like a great idea. If benchmarks are standard and are being run on any platform/system, it's a great source of usefull information for someone looking to buy a personal laptop based of.
Hey josh, great well reasoned video. I was just wondering what your opinion on the 2024 g14 against the 2023 razer blade is? In the UK the g14 in the 4070 config goes for ~£2300 Vs the blade 2023 goes for £1700. Do you feel at these prices the g14 is significantly better?
Well it isnt $600 better. However buy the g14 if you want better screen, speakers, lighter laptop with more key travel and better touchpad. The G14 also runs longer and can be customised (i.e using G-helper and turning off dgpu if on battery). These things really help with the thermals. However the blade has the better build quality (G14 uses lighter aluminium)and upgradability. Meaning you can upgrade the ram(which will be slower than a soldered one). The question is do you want to pay $600 more for these perks?
You mentioned the Yoga Pro 9i 16" as an option but what are your thoughts on the Yoga 9i 2-in-1 14". Was considering purchasing it with the Ultra 7, 32gb ram, and 1tb ssd config since I prefer 14" form factors and the specs did seem to beat the alternatives presented by Lenovo for my use case (programming / VMs / etc. planning on doing a 700gb/300gb partition dual boot between linux and windows).
The Yoga Pro 9i is a laptop with a lot of potential, but the battery life, according to real-life users, is pretty poor, especially considering it got a bigger battery and theoretically more efficient Intel Core Ultra chip this year. I was seriously considering it but now have to look at other options for my needs. Plenty of other good recommendations in this video though, as always from Josh and the team.
The Spectre 14 (2024) and the Asus Zenbook S 16 (Zen 5) are similarly priced where I live. I'm not too fussed about the size of the screen or 2-in-1 capability. In view of their relative efficiency, performance, battery life and heat and fan noise, which do you think is a better buy? Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you. I have two sons looking to buy laptops right now. 👍🏽 ideally they can hold out for AMD Strix Point but Lunar Lake may be too far a stretch…
Hello, Josh. Thank you for your wonderful video. I am un undergraduate student who will be studying computer science and artificial intelligence. Which laptop would be the best option for me?
TBH, I think the best laptops for coding are either the M1 MacBook Air with 16gb of ram if you are on a budget, or the M3 Pro MacBook Pro 16. I don't mind the 16" size as it allows me to view a lot more code, although it is a pain sometimes to carry it around, it is a trade off I will take any day the week
@@JustJoshTech I liked this one because of the character comparisons, because of my major i fall into the business and comp sci category and I thought they were a cool addition that you should keep for the future
i love my macbook air m2 with 16gbs of ram and 512 gbs of storage i basically falls into the harvey's team and im trying to get into trinity team as well personally i was contemplating wether to buy a zenbook 14 or this and after using some of my fri's windows i cannot vibe with it so going with luxury feel it is! also my last laptop is also a mac and yeah if you're already in the apple ecosystem, just get the m2 it'll be worth it trust me.
Congratulations on your work my dear, I really want a suggestion for a 4080 gaming notebook with the coldest processor so far, thank you very much in advance and all the best to you.
Hi Josh please do another video: Best Laptop for Business guys. Top priority is battery life. Business app should run data should not get lost. don't care if they run in emulation.
Please review ASUS - ProArt P16 16" 4K Touch Screen Laptop - AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 - 32GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 - 1TB SSD that was just released. Looking for laptop for video and photo editing Lightroom.
Hello Josh, thanks a lot again, Alex. What I need is a laptop that is great for typing and doesn't have any touchpad problems like the HP Spectre x360 14-inch Intel U5. Has HP fixed this issue? I saw your great review of the Asus ProArt Studiobook 13 OLED (PX13). Which is the better choice between them, and can you suggest a few other recent Windows 13-14 inch laptops for students that can also meet this goal?
I want to buy a Mac book but I’ve been watching a lot of videos on which computer to buy for a Computer Information Systems(CIS) major and a lot of people are saying different things and I don’t know what to get. Is a Mac book good for CIS?
I’m going back to school to get my BSN. A lot of research and paper writing. I’m considering HP Spectre 360, the Yoga 7i or 9i 2-1 for note taking, or the Surface 7. Which would you recommend?
As a student should I wait for the new core ultra laptops. As it seems it’s gonna improve efficiency and enough gaming capability for some light gaming. Or is better not to wait and get it anyways?
I recently bought xps 14 with core ultra 7 at 1625 with rtx and oled at 1625. it is surely a smooth and good enough laptop for programming use. its battery life is good with old.
Framework made a mistake going for the 13” form factor, I called it when they first released. The main issues are fan noise and battery life which would have been easy to solve in a 14” size. Personally I think 13” is not enough to be productive.
It's 13.5 inches; that's closer to 14 inches than 13. And that's not the problem. Framework is pretty much your only option for a good Linux laptop; most of the Linux first competitors like Tuxedo, Slimbook, or System76 all have generally worse build quality, worse screens, and worse port selections (they're often older).
@@cameronbosch1213 Holy shit 14" with the same screen aspect ratio would equate to 14.5" and yes it's a problem because 13.5" 3:2 is not enough, just like 16:9 14" is not enough to be productive/low multitasking.
i don't understand why you are making 1200p resolution look like a downside especially on a laptop. i have a 25 inch 1080p monitor and it is perfectly sharp
I make tones of music cover on my other channel with fl studio and guitar amp sim vst, from my experience cpu is the the most important thing for that, so i recommend a windows laptop with h series cpu that able to sustain Its performance .so basically similar thing as hardcore user on this video but gpu does not matter at all
I appreciate your recommendation for an external monitor. It's the same use-case I've chosen for my G14 from a couple years ago. And to anyone reading this and considering the G14, yes, it does get very hot to the point of being uncomfortable. Even with power tweaks. And given all the recent stuff with Asus customer support I would choose the Lenovo Legion this time around.
Wow. From multiple users i heard the 2024 is cooler when you undervolt it, download g-helper and disable the dgpu when on battery. However due to physics there is no way that thing is gonna be cool to the touch in that chasis when the gpu is on and on load
@@wanttywontty Sorry! My comment is in reference to my 2022 G14 model which despite undervolting and so on, *still* gets way too hot. Even in random light use imo. I'm intrigued by the other options in this video for their better temps.
I will start studying computer science next month so I want to buy a laptop. I want to buy Mc air 15 inch ( M2) but from comments I saw that it won't be good choice for computer science. So can anyone suggest a good laptop. My budget is 1k$
The yoga pro 9i is what I'd want man.. Getting that now and later a snapdragon surface laptop or tablet for on the go would be the best combo for me.. But man.. $1600 at best... That's a lot of money for me now.. I really would love to.. But man.. Wow.. These things are expensive.. I'd have to check your site for a 2022 laptop model that's cheaper.. Even refurbished.. I heard the 12th gen cpus are a great option...
Not sure about the wisdom of recommending macs considering how heavily windows and office is part of learning. And especially because of the time lost if you need servicing and total loss of machine from accidental damage or repair of internal components that are soldered on.
I think the new generation might be amazing for students. camm ram giving both performance and battery life without sacrificing upgradability and both intel and amd being laser focussed on beating arm battery life. I think waiting will be incredibly smart.
Now that all the 2024 models out, there should be some good deals on 2023 or 2022 laptops. "Best Budget Laptops" page on the website is very limited. Can you do a video that shows more options of marked down laptops from prior years? I a lot of people do not have $700+ to spend on a laptop for school. There must be more options in the $400-$500 range.
I will say, relying on a monitor to game as a student sounds like a bad idea. I frequently gamed in the meeting spots and while visiting other people, which you cant really do with a docking setup. If you do not plan on any of that than i guess it can be a good idea
What's the best laptop with an i7 or ryzen 7 and min 16 gb for between 600 and 1200 bucks? Doing masters on Machine learning for specifics. Won't be gaming on it really
If you want to train small neural nets - pick something with Nvidia GPU for CUDA, 3060 will likely be enough for many usecases, but large scale models will likely require way more vram, so dont bother going too high-end (impractical on laptops). You can skip the Nvidia gpu and use the money you saved on stuff like google colab credits for much better performance. I'd recommend 32 gb of ram if possible (likely will be more impactful than the gpu) - I run out of my 16GB regularly doing mlops (not even training models). Source - been in ml and adjacent areas for 5+ years.
Hi! The website states that there is a HP Pavillion 14 Plus available at 739$, but the link redirects me to a 999$ offer. Is the discounted price still available?
FWIW, If you want linux, macs arent an awful options - fedora Asahi is pretty complete, even has openGL and planed vulkan support, and supports most of the hardware like camera and trackpad.
Best buy has the spectre 14 for 1k 16gb ram 1 TB or double that for 1400. Got the 16gb model myself to hold me out until grad school in hopes of an OLED macbook pro by then and better optimized apps
Have you guys checked out the new MSI Prestige models? (16inch model) Has a nice screen, superb battery and pretty decent performance. Price is ok as well.
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The quiz seems to not work right now....
@@randomProducerMelon Can you recheck? It works for us. What did you try? Where does it break?
@@JustJoshTech Your website is down
@@agrisimfarming I've had tons of people try it and its working. What computer are you trying it from?
@@JustJoshTech The quiz says there is no recommendable laptops despite any combination of criteria i choose. I chose highest budget and answered yes/no to the 2 graphical needs questions and it is always returning "Unfortunately, right now we do not have a new laptop to recommend."
If you go into engineering, absolutely DO NOT buy an Apple laptop. Many engineering applications do not run on them, the best example of which is solidworks.
Extremely helpful. I'll mention this in our follow up live stream
I second that. Siemens NX, Creo, Catia, Solid Edge, Inventor or Ansys for example is only available for windows.
Yes, back in the day, MS would allow BootCamp, but now, even with a VM, the Macs would be stuck with WOA and rely on native ARM versions of these specific software requirements (no guarantee). So sadly, MacBooks are no longer viable for some courses.
Yikes, I never knew SOLIDWORKS couldn't run directly on it, that is probably the most well known engineering software. I understand something like Ansys not working, but SOLIDWORKS is shocking.
Would it run on the new surface laptops?
“Yes mom I need an rog strix for college work”
Lmao
will work on me if my kid studies computer graphics or game dev
Else, mcbook air xD
@@rafaelmateodev Macbook Air seems like a default choice for non-engineering and non-business courses.
What does ROG stand for, son?
@@jntechreviewrepublic of gamers
Mom: alright, how much is it?
You need to do a video for laptops under $800 because a lot of these are not in a college kid’s budget
Sadly, I would try to save up for at least $1000 because below that price point, you might have to accept serious compromises.
or a high school kid’s budget.
@@cameronbosch1213i need to use google classroom not 4k gaming
@@cameronbosch1213yes I would consider an Apple MacBook or a good windows laptop. And it’s worth spending the extra money if the kid needs it for college. A brand new M2 or M3 MacBook will get them through all 4 years or 6+ easy. Getting the $300-500 might start falling apart by year 3 or 4. For a high school I would do it but not a college student who heavily relies on their computer for pretty much everything
@@cameronbosch1213 dumb reply
I finished university about a month ago but I just wanted to say DO NOT get a MacBook Air if you are planning to use Excel. The app crashes frequently, can't handle large datasets, lacks certain features and the shortcuts are really confusing. I literally had to use my old windows laptop to submit my assignments because my mac couldn't upload documents on safari or chrome.
I bought the Zenbook 14 for my son when he went off to college in Australia. He likes it. I got a very good deal from BestBuy @$749. The price fluctuates often so wait for a sale. It comes with the Core Ultra 7 155H, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. The laptop is quite fast and my son can play some of his favorite games on it. It also runs Jupyter Notebooks well. Battery life was pretty good. We left it on playing the RUclips favorite Costa Rica in 4K. After an hour, the battery was only down 9%. So I have confidence this could last all day long if starting a 100% battery.
So far he's pretty happy with it.
Yes best collage laptop in indeed zenbook 14 series.
Is it good for someone who studying architecture?
@@AlanHernandez-hy9sd I think if you heavily use 3d modeling software, you may want something with a discrete GPU.
@@premprakash2297 i am studying comp sci. the zenbook 14 is on sale right now it has twice the ram and HDD for less than the zenbook X but less resolution (its 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA)). What do you think is better ??
I'm not the only one who test new hardware with Costa Rica 4K?
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If you're in Finance, stay away from a Mac. Finance classes often teach Excel based on PC shortcuts. You'd like to think it's just a simple swap of the Ctrl key for the Cmd Key but it's not. You WILL be lost.
Yep! Also, additional software like Power BI that doesn't work on MacOS.
My advice: if shortcuts are your major problem, don't go into finance.
so what laptop do you recommend?
@joyals2811 Either a refurbished Thinkpad T14s G4 or refurbished Dell Latitude 7440/7450.
If you are short, Dell XPS 13 9340 with a $20 dongle to compensate for limited port selection.
@@joyals2811 Dell laptops are amazing. Especially higher tier inspirons, and then xps or latitude. But even other Dells can be amazing depending on each model.
Thinkpads are great but many times have bad screeens and missing other things, but Thinkpad X1 csrbons are great and if used at great prices.
My nephew is starting university this fall. He's not a PC gamer and isn't going to study anything that requires a lot of computing resources. However, based on what he tried, he wanted a 16-inch laptop. We chose a 2023 LG Gram 16 with an i7-1360p CPU, 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB of storage, and a 1600p touchscreen that was on clearance for $750 from Costco so it fit perfectly into his $800 maximum budget.
LG Gram 16-inch is criminally underrated for general use, finance, and programming.
I didn't realize grams were sold at that low of a price. That's fantastic for a high end consumer thin and light
Get a galaxy book or MacBook
@anetizen6404 Why? Galaxybooks aren't as good, and Macbooks are more expensive.
@@akin242002 And they run macOS.
I bought a refurbished thinkpad t480 and a well used ipad 9th gen with apple pencil for reading. Couldnt be happier for uni work. Cost less than £350
I saw someone commenting on engineering softwares not running on mac. As a computer engineering student with an M1 Mac I can add my experience to that. First off, you can run Windows on ARM using a VM but the only way of the experience being minimally usable is for the engineering software to have a Windows ARM version, which almost all don't.
Softwares I had troubles with:
Softwares with limited functionality compared to Windows: LTSpice, Autocad, Visual Studio, Excel, Matlab
Softwares unavailable on mac: SolidWorks, PTC Creo, Altium, PSPice, Intel Quartus Prime, Mikro C for Pic
Facts. That's why I'm switching to the Framework Laptop
I picked up the HP Pavilion 14 from Microcenter for $440 after tax. I don't think there's a better deal. OLED and AMD 7840U alone are easily worth the price, and it still has 1TB of storage and 16GB of RAM. Before the fall semester starts, students really should look out for particularly good sales.
Yup! Got the pavilion 14 plus for 750 last year, and it's an insane deal. I recommend it to everyone I know going to school.
The battery life is good (9 hours of actual usage), the screen is amazing, the weight is light at 3lbs, and the performance is stellar!
16GB of ram with 1tb of storage?? Thus laptop came out in 2023 and is still unbeaten in all these metrics. Best bang for your buck!
Hello what is the batterie life please ?
Im sure you don't need a whole fucking gaming laptop for studies, if its for studies just buy a 70$, old and good Sony Vaio for fucks sake
@@deletriz ooh , I didn’t notice it was a gaming laptop, i don’t know much about laptop
@@deletriz Ahaahahhahahhahhh, It's like you think as a parent and try to protect your wallet.....
If you're going into molecular biology, pharmacology, biochemistry or bioinformatics, x86 Windows is the only option. There are so many programs (particularly lab equipment-specific software from like the early 2000s) that simply will not run on anything else. Also if you're doing any sort of genomic or data work, CUDA is extremely useful and only available on x86 devices with nvidia GPUs.
Thank you 😭 I’ve been finding suggestions from biology perspective for quite a while
From my intership, all PhD and post doc have a mc.
Also we don’t use notebooks just to collected data that were analyse by powerful tools?
Same here. Everybody in that area work with a Mac
If you study architecture or anything engineering, forget about using a mac, unless the specific field you study won't require anything that doesn't run on it. I've researched into getting a cheaper gaming desktop with sufficient processing power, and then get a tablet like the S9 FE to mirror the screen, it's much lighter, the battery lasts longer, and it's great for taking notes, then rendering when needed, just connect to the pc. In the long run it's cheaper as you can upgrade the pc, the only downside is a bit of latency for the mirroring. This of course will be a bit more expensive at first, but you never risk damaging your main machine because of spills and drops on the go, had to learn that the hard way, and every project i was working on was also lost.
I am using the HP Spectre X360, 2024 model, with Wi-Fi 6/Bluetooth 5.4, 32 GB RAM/1 TB SSD, and an i7-155H processor. I purchased it from their website for $1350, which is not too bad for such a laptop. It has good battery life, while doing basic tasks, and performs well. Also, I did not have any heat issues or fan noise when running a virtual macOS. As someone who is sensitive to fan noise, especially while recording vocals, I believe this laptop handles that well. So I do recommend this laptop. MacBooks are also great!
I am currently using M1 Air base model and was thinking of getting a refurbished 14 inch M1 MacBook Pro. But I am worried of how long it will be supported as I might need one for next 5 years with the same performance. SO I thought of the 1 inch M2 pro but it more expensive by 400 USD. Which one should I get?
@@henrywamala What about an open box, or refurbished M2 Pro, so you can get a laptop in pretty much new condition, but save a decent bundle?
I’m still using my 2019 MB Air with 8GB of RAM, and its performance seems to be decreasing everyday lol. I’m researching laptops for almost 6 months now though I haven‘t found anything perfect yet - I feel it’s best for me to wait as there’s so much going on in the laptop world right now, and new processors around the corner! Also, I’ll go and take the new quiz on the website - really appreciate the effort you guys are putting in!
If you can, then you should wait. I think new CPUs will be released around September. Of course, the laptops will take more time to release, and even more to go on sale. But as you said, I don't think you are in dire need of a replacement. So yeah, waiting will be a nice thing to do.
@@kanishkbanker Thanks for the advice!
Framework 13 AMD is peak
These reviews are insanely valuable and I appreciate the side by side testing. Thank you 🙏🏾
Me from less developed country where student usually can only afford 300 to 400 USD for laptop with Core i3 or Ryzen 3 even Celeron watching recommended laptop for developed country student laptop that cost 3-4 times our laptop, interesting...
same bro, I'm from Nepal. Even the U type processors, 8gb ram ones cost more than these laptops mentioned here. 😅
Ryzen 3 should be fine as long the ram is more than 8gb and no cpu overheating
trust me, a large portion of students in the US can also only afford 300-400 for a laptop. we just have access to more refurbished options and discount stores. to a lot of us, these laptops aren’t realistic unless we find an amazing deal on a used one.
@@Elvxn13 are you talking about university student ? 600$ is a budget laptop category for American people on college. unlike on third world country where 600$ considered upper mid range
ipad + pc + spacedesk
Last time I was a student, I didn't need cutting-edge performance, just something that wouldn't choke on large PDFs, had good battery life, a solid keyboard, was robust enough to handle some rough use, and was easy to repair in case something happened.
I went with a used Thinkpad T480. If you get the variant with the large external battery, you get a total of 96 Wh, which gives outstanding battery life even with a less-efficient 8th-gen Intel CPU. It's also the last T-series Thinkpad with two SO-DIMM slots, though later models still have one slot. It runs Debian stable, and does so flawlessly. My only real complaints are the screen's aspect ratio (give me 16:10, or even better, 4:3) and brightness (250 nits), and the overall weight of the laptop (1.8 kg). That and I still can't find a Markdown editor that I like as much as the one I used on my decade-old Macbook.
If you just need to open PDFs, web browse and write essays, secondhand is definitely the way to go.
The reality is you should be recommending all of these windows laptops that are frequently on sale for like $500 with 16GB of RAM. Best Buy throws devices like the HP Envy and others on sale all the time. Only very very specific majors need to spend $1,000 or more
Not at all. The reason you shouldn't cheap out on your laptop like the ones you're describing is becacuse it's an investment into your education and will be with you for 3-4 years. Those Windows laptops have dreadful battery life and performance and saving a bit more money to get something >$1,000 will be worth it. Believe me, as someone that used to buy inexpensive tech, I save more money buying quality stuff that will last a long time
I bought the HP Envy 16 (it cost me 1300 dollars with i7 16gb RAM 1TB storage and Intel Arc with 120 hz 2.5K panel). I don't recommend the x360 versions at all, or else gl with the hinges lol
There's a difference between cheap and actually decent quality, durable, reliable hardware. Extremely few of the $500 laptops I've ever seen have risen above trash tier.
@@adequatequalityexactly. This is a 4 year investment and well worth it to buy a machine you won’t rip your hair out while using
Short-termism is only suggested if your finances as such cannot stretch to a >$1000 laptop, then there is no other way. But if you have the budget, better to buy something with headroom and quality as your future is dependent on a reliable performant PC.
I usually go for 16" laptop with numpad keys, have all ports (HDMI, USB 4, Type C) and must support both touch and stylus.
What brand and model can you recommend me with i7, 4.7GHZ, win11, touch screen?
What laptops have that?
9:07 correct me if I'm wrong but the 780m actually does out perform arc graphics in real world games, while losing in synthetics like time spy. my theory for this is that despite arc being out as long as it has been, the drivers are still nowhere as mature as the AMD drivers for the 780m and thus does not deliver as much gaming performance for the same wattage. (The MSI claw with arc graphics for example are considerably less efficient and less performant at games compared to the Z1 extreme handhelds.)
Yeah arc's support is currently too spotty for it to make sense for non-techy users anyway.
They're mostly on par, with a lot of games having an advantage on the newer Intel ultra chips and some games being more optimised for AMD's since they've been here for longer than arc gpus. So just check that based on your specific apps/games
@@elderman64 yes some games do run faster on intel arc, but there are still games that just don't run at all on arc. That's a bigger deal imo.
@@Jackofafewtrades Like i said, it's newer so it has issues, just check before you buy 🤷♂️ besides they're not unfixable issues, but it's upto you if you want fo deal with them
@@elderman64 for a laptop that's supposed to last 4 years, not to mention 4 very formative years in your life (during which time your tastes may change drastically - I basically stopped playing MOBAs and MMOs during uni and switched to story and puzzle games, for example) why take that risk?
Plus, they're not really issues that users can fix. You're basically waiting for Intel to patch in better support via a driver update. Again, why bother for an extra 5% in a few games?
This is one of the most underrated RUclips channels. For computer reviews it’s the best. Honest reviews with a engaging voice
Framework AMD 13 or 16. Upgradable RAM up to 64gb currently that you can buy for yourself. I'm coming from 14" m1 MacBook Pro but need windows for engineering apps, but mostly also I'm excited by having upgradability
Great video but after much research I bought for my daughter (who starts college in the fall) a Lenovo Ideapad Slim 7i with the Intel Core Ultra 7 155H, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and a 14” 1920 x 1200 OLED Touch display. Hopefully it lasts her all 4 years of her Supply Chain Management major. It is replacing her Lenovo Yoga C740 with an Intel 10th Gen i5, 8 GB of RAM, 256 GB SSD and a 14” 1920 x 1080 IPS Touch display that got her through all of High School and still works perfectly, so Lenovo gets my money again. Also, I rock a 14” MacBook M2 Pro and sometimes I need programs that only run on Windows. Even the Mac versions of MS Office (industry standard) sometimes are missing features that the Windows versions do have. I don’t want my daughter dealing with any of that.
That makes sense
Very little known Laptop but brings tons of bang for your buck:
Lenovo Thinkbook 13x Gen4.
This checks all the boxes for a student except gaming.
Is this laptop compatible with the desktop version of Microsoft 365?
After doing a lot of research, I recently purchased the Asus Zenbook 14 OLED in preparation for my studies in Computer Systems Technician. I'm glad to see this video reaffirm my decision in my purchase. Your reviews and videos played a big part in my research. Thank you for making such in-depth videos and giving real-world examples rather than just listing off a spec sheet.
I'm a little miffed Asus all too often uses glossy displays with no anti refletive coating (which really pi55es me off), but apart from that the range of Asus laptops between 800 to a grand are pretty much the best value for money laptops on the market, & have been for the last couple of years. The 2022 S13 (with the AMD 6800U) was an incredible laptop, & I got one new for 750.
@Lee.S321 Yeah, I did see quite a few complaints about that in my research, but considering all factors, I was willing to deal with the reflection issues to get some of the other feature I needed/wanted. I have to say though that, as of right now, I haven't experienced really any issues with reflections in the screen, but this could change once school starts up and I am using the laptop more and in different environments.
@@NinjaDogLCT It comes down to your use case whether the reflections bother you or not, but apart from the reflections many ASUS laptops give you the best bang for your buck you could hope for.
Similar thing is happening with the new Qualcomm Surface Pro/laptop. Pretty much the only major complaint I hear is the highly reflective display (but Microsoft products are unlikely to beat ASUS in value for money any time soon).
If you play any games like Minecraft or Roblox, do they run well on it?
212 @star-shine0 I don't play any games on it. I use it strictly for school work and browsing the web. For gaming, I have a dedicated gaming laptop. However, my gaming laptop is a few years old now, and if I remember correctly, I believe the on paper specs of my gaming laptop and the Zenbook are not far off from each other. Obviously, the gaming laptop is optimized for gaming, but I see no reason why games like Roblox and Minecraft wouldn't run fine on the Zenbook since they run fine on my gaming laptop. But I know there is a lot more to consider than on paper specs, and I don't want to promise you anything since I have not actually tested it myself. Sorry in advance if this wasn't really helpful.
Josh, as a current user of legion slim 14/uni student studying Compsci, I thought it was worth mentioning that the quite mode on this laptop is awesome! It does not lose that much performance compared to balanced or boost mode and the noise is very minimal. So I was never distracted by the fan noise for this laptop and I believe most legion 14 users will be on quite mode when they game. The biggest downside for me was the bad speakers. The speakers on this laptop is indeed terrible.
I think your current opinion about this laptop is much better than what you initially reviewed this laptop, and this is me coming from watching basically all your laptop reviews. I think It would be awesome if you provide another in depth review for this laptop comparing it to other laptops from 2024!
Bro should I buy a lenovo legion slim 5i with i5 13450hx rtx 4050. The lenovo legion slim 5 14 one is not available in my country.
@@adityajha9070 haven’t used that one so can’t make the call
I bought my Galaxy Book 2 Pro last year at a big 50% off and it is an awesome laptop. The only problem I found with it and that it has not been solved is that it randomly resets while on sleep mode. Apart from that, I love it. Awesome video as well
Do not buy a Mac if you are studying finance or something that will frequently use Excel/ MS Office. It has limited functionality and all of your courses will follow windows shortcuts and assume windows features.
As always solid content. Fav review channel!
I graduated with a degree in Info Sec 5 years ago. In my opinion, for an IT degree you need:
1. A 1920 x 1080p or 1920 x 1200p non-touch screen display.
2. Minimum 16 GB ram
3. At least 2 USB C (At least 1 being Thunderbolt)
4. At least 1 USB A
5. At least 6hr battery life
6. At least 512 GB SSD
7. Minimum Quad core CPU
8. Backlit keyboard
9. Windows OS
10. Less than 5 lbs
11. 13”-16” screen
-HDMI and Ethernet port are nice, but not required
-Touch screens and 2-in-1s are gimmicky
-Higher res is nice, but you may experience scaling issues (especially with VMs). Battery life is also worse
-Software compatibility on a Mac is a nightmare unless you run Bootcamp
It may be ugly, but the Thinkpad is still one of the best business laptops on the market.
Great video, you make very good points!
Earlier this year I picked up the G16 2024 (Core Ultra 9, 32GB, 4070). I went with a 16-inch model instead of a 14-inch model because due to having to live at two separate places (parents), I don't want to have 2 monitor+keyboard setups. It has been working very well for me as an engineering student!
How are you getting this benchmark that Intel is beating amd when it comes to gaming every benchmark I see has 780m significantly out performing the Intel arc, does timespy hugely favor Intel? How about a different you benchmark?
I would recommend the Acer Swift Go 14 Ryzen 7. The price and build quality is insane for the price range, and it has a 1440 webcam with plenty of ports. It weighs 1.32 kg so it’s definitely on the lighter side too. Not recommended for students who has to program heavy stuff, but for casual use.
What About The Acer Swift Go 14 Core Ultra 5 125H OLED?
@@shilpamehta964 it costs a bit more because of the multi-control touchpad. Kind of gimmicky if you ask me🤷♂️. 200$ more just to pause a video isn’t really worth it.
Got myself a lenovo years back, then Asus, then back to lenovo legion. I can say Legion line up is the best for performance and cooling. If you can tolerate the weight (+ power brick is huge) + low battery time, it's perfect for gamer student
Many times the college will specify Windows.
Gehen they should pay
99% of college programs don't require Windows specifically. Most computer science students even roll with a MacBook whereas you might need a Windows machine for stuff like CAD or other engineering programs but it's really more program specific
@adequatequality buy a mac book run windows virtual machine
Thinkpad T14 AMD Gen 5
easy
@@DJNuckChorris T14s Gen 4 (AMD). No recall included.
A MacBook Pro with an M2 Pro and 16 GB RAM and 1 TB storage is the best laptop choice for students. You probably have to install Parallels VM with Windows so you can run Windows-only software. Software such as Solidworks will run in the VM. Not sure about games; if gaming is important, then maybe not Apple. Otherwise, the weight, size, battery life, and ecosystem are worth the cost.
That's why I said it is the GOAT
Minor note - Though perhaps not for brand new Linux users, Asahi Linux does run on Apple Silicon Macs. Devs have been able to (and continue to work on) reverse engineering Apple's hardware. In regards to Framework 13 - The AMD variant would be for almost everybody the much smarter choice over Intel 13th gen (or Core Ultra, which isn't shipping yet) - The main draw being better battery life, less heat, and overall better performance vs Intel.
The framework is a bit expensive in the UK, £1400 for the Ryzen 7/16GB/512GB, and with the new AMDs coming next month, that is poor value compared to what I can buy on Amazon with the same specs and OLED instead of LCD, which is close to half the price. I think Framework is a lifestyle choice that is not of value to a student.
@@andyH_England Careful using OLED with office-type apps. The burn in issues are better than they used to be but not fully solved. The value in Framework is in being able to actually repair and upgrade the thing. Yeah it costs a bit more up front... What's it going to cost to repair/upgrade most other 2024 models (assuming its even an option)? Are they all easy to disassemble, easy to obtain proper parts, when the stupid kid in in class walks by and knocks a laptop off a table? Or you get dumb and dump coffee on the thing? Its sad seeing so many people spending $750, $1000, $1500 every 2 or 3 years because they went with poorly built machines, completely soldered/glued junk, etc. No reason to keep needing to buy the same perfectly working components over and over again, even if only to upgrade a processor/motherboard.
@@andyH_EnglandThe thing is that you can actually run Linux on Framework laptops officially, which can be huge for CS students. Heck, that's a huge reason I went for them.
@@cameronbosch1213 Yes, nothing against Framework. If you can afford the extra cost then it is definitely shortlist material.
As usual great vid. I like the studio with the white board.
Thanks. We are constantly trying to improve here :)
Nice vid!!! Can you try to get the Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 (Intel and AMD) and review them?
Thanks for the great video!
I also saw your video about the 9i 2 in 1, sadly it is out of my budget. So what do you think about the yoga 7 2 in 1, especially the AMD version?
Definitely saving the list of your recommended laptops when shopping for a new laptop.
Love the video and your content. How would you compare the HP Pavilion Plus 14 to the Asus Zenbook 14?
Ethan has tested both side by side Pav Plus gets alot warmer. Other than that somewhat similar.
@@JustJoshTech thanks so much
I bought the 360x specter a few months ago totally loved it
Hi, congrats! Is it 1 or 2 TB? Any issues with palm rejection while typing? Do you know of a solution for the haptic touchpad?
Best regards, 😊
Josh and team - first, awesome review and advice - thank you! I keep wondering why the G16 4080 isn't highlighted more - is it because it is out of the price range for an average student machine? The yoga is amazing, but is lacking the battery. The G16 lasts 9-10 hours, and offers better graphics. Any feedback on the G16 4080? -- I believe you recommended it over the G16 4070, but haven't heard more on it. Thanks again for any feedback - and love the content!
I will be studying both ecology and data science this year. Therefore I assume that I will need at least 16 GB RAM, an Intel Ultra 7 processor, 1 TB memory, and an RTX 4050 graphic card all in a laptop of less than 2 kg (since I might need to bring the laptop to the field). Hence, my eyes are set on the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 with an ultra 7 processor, 1 TB memory, an RTX 4050 graphics card, and 32 GB RAM. It is by far the best value for price (instead of MacBook Pro with M3/M2 Pro chip). The only concern I have is the battery life. Is there any tips to get a longer battery life with a Windows laptop and keep the battery health in check?
Yes! I used the 2024 g14 with 4070 and to be honest when you tweak that thing you can get 8-9 hrs of battery life doing light tasks.
I am working as a software engineer, for any one in software get any old i5 or i7 or similar ryzen put a ssd into it and upgrade the ram to a minimum of 16 gigs and install Linux you will face a lot of software related issues which will make you a better engineer.(note if you want to develop software for ios u need a mac also do not get 13th and 14th gen intel processors)
Great as always! Curious which hub you are using with the Zephyrus G14 at 16:49?
Would you advise against getting a refurbished laptop from apple or bestbuy?
Thanks for mentioning about your website, I've looking for a best Laptop guide website but didn't even exist, until now.
I'm a big fan JoshTech, keep up the good work.
For a business or an econ student, the best blind pick would be a x series thinkpad. For about a 1000 dollars you would get a portable powerhouse which would fulfill all ur needs with the added reliability of a thinkpad. Sure you compromise a bit on screen size but it shouldn’t hurt that much as you are getting world class battery life. And let’s be honest it’s a thinkpad so it’s gonna easily last 5 6 yrs without any problem. It’s like the MacBook for business n eco students or anyone whose course load isn’t tht much
Hi Josh, when can we expect the Zenbook S16 reviews to come out, quite excited for that model and curious where it would fit in this video!
Well detailed video.Appreciate your hardwork🎉
Zenbook 14 or vivobooks14 2024?????
What a coincidence! I just gained admission to a university in Germany today. It can't be better, i guess😅
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You dont need an external gpu for engineering. CAD programs are pretty much only using the cpu anyways.
True
Not necessarily in big assembly you need a strong GPU for example 1 part doesn't need much processing power but in a assembly there are more then 100 to 150 parts without GPU your cad software would not be able to process and it would lag like crazy 2 to 4 fps which is not suitable for performance and quality that is needed.
And I am a cad designer
So I am speaking with experience.
@shaivalnathwani3370 its enough for learning and flr students.
@puschi1563 Are students in that major leveraging the cloud for the GPU intensive work?
@@irfanmohd091 yeah there no denying on that but if they are going to use for long then there should be a GPU doesn't matter which series.
Yes. Finally!!! I needed this
Also what would be a your recommendation for: student, prefers windows, lasts 5 years in school which isn't anything to professional (all round high school subjects), can stretch to a bit above 1k, your quiz I wasn't entirely sure wether it was in order of most viable to least in your recommendation, I got the framework as first, then sl7, what's your thoughts
The SL7 will be perfect in your usecase honestly. Amazing build quality, longer battery life and most of the apps you need are supported. The only thing running for the framework is its upgradability
@@wanttywontty yeah, I definitely was ignoring that, didn't really want it, do you think it would be better for my use case than hp spectre 14, I could possibly deal with MacBook though
This is the first year after graduating and it feels SO wrong watching this video and thinking I could afford the highest laptop in this list with my own money haha
@Josh, great idea for a database of laptops and their specs/performance. In the old days, Anandtech's Bench database (for CPUs, GPUs) was great, but it died out, not being maintained anymore to the level of before. So something like that for laptops seems like a great idea. If benchmarks are standard and are being run on any platform/system, it's a great source of usefull information for someone looking to buy a personal laptop based of.
Hey josh, great well reasoned video. I was just wondering what your opinion on the 2024 g14 against the 2023 razer blade is? In the UK the g14 in the 4070 config goes for ~£2300 Vs the blade 2023 goes for £1700. Do you feel at these prices the g14 is significantly better?
Well it isnt $600 better. However buy the g14 if you want better screen, speakers, lighter laptop with more key travel and better touchpad. The G14 also runs longer and can be customised (i.e using G-helper and turning off dgpu if on battery). These things really help with the thermals. However the blade has the better build quality (G14 uses lighter aluminium)and upgradability. Meaning you can upgrade the ram(which will be slower than a soldered one). The question is do you want to pay $600 more for these perks?
You mentioned the Yoga Pro 9i 16" as an option but what are your thoughts on the Yoga 9i 2-in-1 14". Was considering purchasing it with the Ultra 7, 32gb ram, and 1tb ssd config since I prefer 14" form factors and the specs did seem to beat the alternatives presented by Lenovo for my use case (programming / VMs / etc. planning on doing a 700gb/300gb partition dual boot between linux and windows).
The Yoga Pro 9i is a laptop with a lot of potential, but the battery life, according to real-life users, is pretty poor, especially considering it got a bigger battery and theoretically more efficient Intel Core Ultra chip this year. I was seriously considering it but now have to look at other options for my needs. Plenty of other good recommendations in this video though, as always from Josh and the team.
THANK YOU JOSHHHH!!!!! I like quizesssss hehe
Thank you for your videos. Is it still worth to buy an old laptop such as elitebook 830 g7?
The Spectre 14 (2024) and the Asus Zenbook S 16 (Zen 5) are similarly priced where I live. I'm not too fussed about the size of the screen or 2-in-1 capability. In view of their relative efficiency, performance, battery life and heat and fan noise, which do you think is a better buy? Thanks!
what do you say to the lenovo yoga pro 7 gen 9 with ryzen 7 8845HS? worth getting? With discount i d be paying 900...
Awesome! Thank you. I have two sons looking to buy laptops right now. 👍🏽 ideally they can hold out for AMD Strix Point but Lunar Lake may be too far a stretch…
Hello, Josh. Thank you for your wonderful video. I am un undergraduate student who will be studying computer science and artificial intelligence. Which laptop would be the best option for me?
TBH, I think the best laptops for coding are either the M1 MacBook Air with 16gb of ram if you are on a budget, or the M3 Pro MacBook Pro 16. I don't mind the 16" size as it allows me to view a lot more code, although it is a pain sometimes to carry it around, it is a trade off I will take any day the week
If you need an OS other than macOS, unfortunately, Macs are pretty useless.
I will be studying computer science however I am really leaning towards the new surface laptops
I'm so glad to have found you guys
I literally was just rewatching last years video right before this was uploaded, super clutch
Could you let us know which video you liked better and why? :) Feedback is helpful
@@JustJoshTech I liked this one because of the character comparisons, because of my major i fall into the business and comp sci category and I thought they were a cool addition that you should keep for the future
i love my macbook air m2 with 16gbs of ram and 512 gbs of storage i basically falls into the harvey's team and im trying to get into trinity team as well personally i was contemplating wether to buy a zenbook 14 or this and after using some of my fri's windows i cannot vibe with it so going with luxury feel it is! also my last laptop is also a mac and yeah if you're already in the apple ecosystem, just get the m2 it'll be worth it trust me.
Congratulations on your work my dear, I really want a suggestion for a 4080 gaming notebook with the coldest processor so far, thank you very much in advance and all the best to you.
Hi Josh please do another video: Best Laptop for Business guys. Top priority is battery life. Business app should run data should not get lost. don't care if they run in emulation.
MacBook + old hard disk for Time Machine backup? Or Framework + System Restore on hard disk?
Please review ASUS - ProArt P16 16" 4K Touch Screen Laptop - AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 - 32GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 - 1TB SSD that was just released. Looking for laptop for video and photo editing Lightroom.
Hello Josh, thanks a lot again, Alex.
What I need is a laptop that is great for typing and doesn't have any touchpad problems like the HP Spectre x360 14-inch Intel U5. Has HP fixed this issue?
I saw your great review of the Asus ProArt Studiobook 13 OLED (PX13).
Which is the better choice between them, and can you suggest a few other recent Windows 13-14 inch laptops for students that can also meet this goal?
I want to buy a Mac book but I’ve been watching a lot of videos on which computer to buy for a Computer Information Systems(CIS) major and a lot of people are saying different things and I don’t know what to get. Is a Mac book good for CIS?
I’m going back to school to get my BSN. A lot of research and paper writing. I’m considering HP Spectre 360, the Yoga 7i or 9i 2-1 for note taking, or the Surface 7. Which would you recommend?
As a student should I wait for the new core ultra laptops. As it seems it’s gonna improve efficiency and enough gaming capability for some light gaming. Or is better not to wait and get it anyways?
I recently bought xps 14 with core ultra 7 at 1625 with rtx and oled at 1625. it is surely a smooth and good enough laptop for programming use. its battery life is good with old.
Framework made a mistake going for the 13” form factor, I called it when they first released. The main issues are fan noise and battery life which would have been easy to solve in a 14” size. Personally I think 13” is not enough to be productive.
It’s tiny
It's 13.5 inches; that's closer to 14 inches than 13. And that's not the problem. Framework is pretty much your only option for a good Linux laptop; most of the Linux first competitors like Tuxedo, Slimbook, or System76 all have generally worse build quality, worse screens, and worse port selections (they're often older).
@@cameronbosch1213 Holy shit 14" with the same screen aspect ratio would equate to 14.5" and yes it's a problem because 13.5" 3:2 is not enough, just like 16:9 14" is not enough to be productive/low multitasking.
i don't understand why you are making 1200p resolution look like a downside especially on a laptop. i have a 25 inch 1080p monitor and it is perfectly sharp
Josh i beg you kindly make a video on the best laptop for music composition , softwares used FL studio, abeleton live
I make tones of music cover on my other channel with fl studio and guitar amp sim vst, from my experience cpu is the the most important thing for that, so i recommend a windows laptop with h series cpu that able to sustain Its performance .so basically similar thing as hardcore user on this video but gpu does not matter at all
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Yea also a high end amd laptop will do. However you shall be sacrificing thunderbolt (USB 4 is ok )
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 can you please mention the laptops
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 please mention those laptops which are better value for buck
I appreciate your recommendation for an external monitor. It's the same use-case I've chosen for my G14 from a couple years ago. And to anyone reading this and considering the G14, yes, it does get very hot to the point of being uncomfortable. Even with power tweaks. And given all the recent stuff with Asus customer support I would choose the Lenovo Legion this time around.
Wow. From multiple users i heard the 2024 is cooler when you undervolt it, download g-helper and disable the dgpu when on battery. However due to physics there is no way that thing is gonna be cool to the touch in that chasis when the gpu is on and on load
@@wanttywontty Sorry! My comment is in reference to my 2022 G14 model which despite undervolting and so on, *still* gets way too hot. Even in random light use imo. I'm intrigued by the other options in this video for their better temps.
@@wanttywontty I'd like to buy it but it scares me?
I will start studying computer science next month so I want to buy a laptop. I want to buy Mc air 15 inch ( M2) but from comments I saw that it won't be good choice for computer science. So can anyone suggest a good laptop. My budget is 1k$
The yoga pro 9i is what I'd want man.. Getting that now and later a snapdragon surface laptop or tablet for on the go would be the best combo for me..
But man.. $1600 at best... That's a lot of money for me now..
I really would love to.. But man.. Wow.. These things are expensive.. I'd have to check your site for a 2022 laptop model that's cheaper.. Even refurbished.. I heard the 12th gen cpus are a great option...
Not sure about the wisdom of recommending macs considering how heavily windows and office is part of learning.
And especially because of the time lost if you need servicing and total loss of machine from accidental damage or repair of internal components that are soldered on.
I think the new generation might be amazing for students. camm ram giving both performance and battery life without sacrificing upgradability and both intel and amd being laser focussed on beating arm battery life. I think waiting will be incredibly smart.
With this video, I feel like Josh and team read my mind. I'm in the market for a laptop and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you guys!♥️
Now that all the 2024 models out, there should be some good deals on 2023 or 2022 laptops. "Best Budget Laptops" page on the website is very limited. Can you do a video that shows more options of marked down laptops from prior years? I a lot of people do not have $700+ to spend on a laptop for school. There must be more options in the $400-$500 range.
I will say, relying on a monitor to game as a student sounds like a bad idea. I frequently gamed in the meeting spots and while visiting other people, which you cant really do with a docking setup. If you do not plan on any of that than i guess it can be a good idea
What's the best laptop with an i7 or ryzen 7 and min 16 gb for between 600 and 1200 bucks? Doing masters on Machine learning for specifics. Won't be gaming on it really
If you want to train small neural nets - pick something with Nvidia GPU for CUDA, 3060 will likely be enough for many usecases, but large scale models will likely require way more vram, so dont bother going too high-end (impractical on laptops). You can skip the Nvidia gpu and use the money you saved on stuff like google colab credits for much better performance. I'd recommend 32 gb of ram if possible (likely will be more impactful than the gpu) - I run out of my 16GB regularly doing mlops (not even training models).
Source - been in ml and adjacent areas for 5+ years.
Hi! The website states that there is a HP Pavillion 14 Plus available at 739$, but the link redirects me to a 999$ offer. Is the discounted price still available?
What’s the best laptop for gaming that runs at least 6GB and for schooling ?
I have a zenbook 14 with 16gb ram 1t storage and higher resolution sm like 2880 by ... and its great i love it
Hi!! Is yours the Zenbook 14 OLED? Are there any issues with the screen (like breaking/cracking)? Or issues with the battery life?
FWIW, If you want linux, macs arent an awful options - fedora Asahi is pretty complete, even has openGL and planed vulkan support, and supports most of the hardware like camera and trackpad.
I appreciate the time and dedication you put into testing all these options, you really helped me find a good choice for the best school laptop.
Best buy has the spectre 14 for 1k 16gb ram 1 TB or double that for 1400. Got the 16gb model myself to hold me out until grad school in hopes of an OLED macbook pro by then and better optimized apps
Have you guys checked out the new MSI Prestige models? (16inch model)
Has a nice screen, superb battery and pretty decent performance. Price is ok as well.
Fan noise is rough we have it. If you use it in a loud environment or with headphones then it's good
Any thoughts on the HP envy 360? I am curious how it stacks up against these