Correction at 1:50: We say that AMD doesn't really make Ryzen 3 or 5 Chips anymore then immediately install a Ryzen 5 Chip and call it a Ryzen 7. Fix Incoming
"He's been wanting to upgrade his PC, but the people around him keep saying it isn't a good time for it. This has gone on for four years" kinda paradox.
@@ccibinel Nice argument, however: *You own a 1080.* I used to game on a 970 for years before upgrading to a 3070 Ti and the difference was huge, as for the rest - CPU seems not to be to consequencial, and RAM is fine if you get 16 gigs anyway.
@@Box-O-Soldier Depends on what kinds of games you play games with what is commonly refered to as "good graphics" often rely more on GPU than CPU so the CPU is less important but there are many games (simulations and city builders mostly everything that needs to calculate a lot of internal systems) which rely a lot on the CPU to run those and for those it can be rather important.
I'm not a fan anymore of thinking about the upgrade path. I just replace the whole system every 5-10 years depending on how demanding the games got I like to play.
Upgrading has always been a myth. Yes you can make small upgrades like buying more ram etc. But you can't go and buy the latest graphics card 4 or 5 years later because your mother board won't support it, or some other part will be incompatible and suddenly you have to replace everything anyway.
Yup, I always buy the best of what I can afford, wait 8-10 years, and then do it again. Definitely saves more money over the long-term than upgrading piecemeal over and over again throughout a decade.
I mostly agree but it's still something worth considering even for used builds, I started with a used ryzen 3600 a little before the price started to drop to $100 then a couple years later got a 5800X also for around $100, not be the greatest jump but still pretty good and since all I had to replace was the CPU it was far cheaper and more cost effective than jumping into AM5.
"Should I upgrade / Buy a PC" is really nothing but a comparison between "What do you actually do with your PC" versus "Epeen Reasons". - If you spend 95% of your time playing Indie Steam games, watching RUclips, and checking email... You don't need half of what you think you do. - If your stuff is old, but it still does everything fine "As far as you can tell"... Let it go. You're fine for now. Wait for the deals.
Yeah pretty much, back when it was new I used a radeon 7850 until about 2018 (so 5 or 6 years), had to turn settings on low sometimes but it still ran the majority of games and everything else fine. Although I only agree with "Epeen Reasons" if you're referring to people who say they need a top of the line system for something ridiculous, however sometimes you just really want something nice, like I wanted an ROG phone, I didn't have to have a gaming phone and I could find similar options for about $300, but I paid an extra $100 for it to get what I truly wanted rather than settle.
if you just watch Linus tech tips. A 100$ rk3588 SBC will work miracles for you. Especially on your electricity bill. The same is true if you just want to watch videos.
@@sureberferber9101 that's not true either. Plenty of indie titles are pushing the limits of old hardware, because old hardware doesn't have access to technologies that are now available to indies. My PC is 7 years old, 1070, 16gb i7-8700k and in quite a few indie titles I have to lower shit down. Straight exemple, currently playing Vintage Story with a friend (a heavily inspired Minecraft game) and I have to turn render distance, SSAO, Ray tracing etc way down. I can still play fine at 60+ FPS, but it's definitely hurting my gaming experience
I basically built the old PC a few months ago. same 5700X3D, asus prime MOBO, 32GB ram, Only major Diff is i bought a Used 3080 and a bigger Power Supply.
Do you think the 3080 is a better choice? Also is that cpu worth planning a build around? Im new to pc building and comparing those 2 things keep confusing me.
@lilmancc35 5700X3D is essentially end of life for the socket, so if you go that route keep that in mind that if you want to upgrade the CPU you'll need a new mobo, and ram at least, AM5 will be supported longer but by the time you want to upgrade from the 5700X3D there may be a new socket anyways. For the price the 5700X3D is pretty nuts
@@lilmancc35 i love the CPU. If all your doing is gaming i think the savings of going AM4 to get a better GPU is the way to go. and i think the used 3080 was good, but it did die after a month and i had to buy a new card. i think that just goes to show the trade off with buying used. you can get a much better card but you are on your own if it kicks the bucket.
I just built my first pc over the weekend. I watched MANY of your videos and others to help me learn about computers. Just wanted to say the build was a success, and thanks for your help along the way!
@devranjan665 just wanted to add that the performance is everything I expected. I don't play extremely demanding titles, but I do play on max settings in 1440p and I can still upgrade in the future.
It wasn't even the ti which is and odd choice because you can fit a 7800 XT in a new 1k budget so you could also fit a 4060 ti or 7700 XT which is the better choice in one too still worse but, uh better then 4060......
I have a Gigabyte Rx7800xt and it's one heck of a good deal for the money. It runs a 32" 4k 144HZ screen and a 34" 1440p very well for my needs and most games don't even need upscaling
@@mightyakkylex ohh man, i want one so bad. i have a rx 6600 and its pretty good since i have a 1080p monitor and i dont care about upscaling and ray tracing.But 1440p, thats the dream🤝🤝
Hardware barely depreciates in price anymore and the used market here is dead and buried because of the former. Those old X3D CPUs are already marked up now and are soon to become unobtanium for real.
Exactly, I’m planning to use a new gen 9700X bc the poor launch has led to a fall from 360 to 325, while inflating 7800X3D from 360 to 430 over the same period.
Companies treat gaming hardware as a side business. Datacenter and AI is where the real profit is. There's no point in releasing good affordable hardware anymore.
Yeah I don't understand how they don't realize that whenever a big youtuber makes a video like this it ALWAYS makes the prices of said things go up, even with brand new products companies will raise the MSRP
With my friend we had created a cascade upgrade pattern: I need better component for my job (lot of 3D rendering) and my company pays me for hardware upgrade every couple of year, so I buy the latest tech and hand down my old to my friend, rotating between them. So every 2/3 generation every one gets an upgrade.
This is how my father and I have done it for decades. It used to be him handing down parts to me from his IT job, now it's me handing down my old rig to him in his retirement years. Every 5-10 years he gets a upgrade that is at most only a generation behind.
I'm also trying to build a PC for my grandson Paul, he's 15 right now, but I'm a bit lost, not sure about a graphic card or where to get Windows/Office? could somebody give me advice? thank you.
Ma'am, I guess it's a gaming PC you want to build, you should get help from an expert, try RADEON, and BNH Software for the rest, if not just buy a new PC, not sure how tech savvy you are, well... you might pull it off...
@@nocoverchargee I would go to the nearest tech store, and get advice from people who are experienced in computers, or watch a RUclips guide on a build that fits in your budget. I would recommend finding a video that includes a build tutorial, so he can build it himself, or you can build it with him to have some fun!
@@paulpietschinski3282I think you meant "points out serious flaws and tries to hold a media company accountable for errors in their coverage and mishandling of valuable items that aren't their property".
@@AgencyNighthawkminus the part that they gave LTT the prototype and then got butt hurt and asked for it back. Yea they shouldn't have auctioned it but billet labs should never have told them they could keep it...
They probably do that as an easy way to correct something during editing or after a video comes out without having to keep fetching Linus to record a line.
The best way to spec your computer is to know what you are going to use it for. Experience already owning and using a PC to do your tasks is a must. Then you need to investigate what is holding you back from doing more. Is it a slow or too small ssd, is it slow or not enough ram, or Gpu, cpu? Then build one specifically to overcome that issue, and find the next thing holding you back. This is the evolution of all of my PCs over 30 years. I haven't overspent but I'm getting 80-90% of the performance of the top tier new stuff.
And also how long you think you are likely to use it for... is it for 5 years or till it rots... (you might only be planning to play only that one game even in your grandparent years...)
@@PrograError I rarely keep my PCs asembled for more than a year, or two, between upgrades or rebuilds. I use them until they are useless. Even my 12 year old said that there are so many games already released it would be impossible to play them all. You have to pick what you like to do and focus on that. There is no point in splurdging on the best RT Card if you mostly play a game like Rocket League or Counterstrike. If you're after FPS for example but have a 60Hz monitor you will stay disappointed no matter what the rest of the system can do. Find what's holding you back, and beat it. Then do it again. it's simple
@@MrOnepiece14 I've got Skyrim VR with the HIGGS mods, smacking Thalmor around with the back of my hand and grabbing their weapons before they atttack is glorious. It remakes the unarmed class, I've uppercutted enemies to defeat them. Have fun.
I don't like that approach. Yall expect every PC user will be the nerd and expert in his own hardware. The truth is, if system is well balanced, rarely you'll see CPU bottlenecking without GPU or vice versa. With well balanced build, parts will be equal, and also upgrading will be useless since improvement would requires to upgrade all parts as well.
This is a strategy I’ve used for the last 15 years or so when building gaming rigs. Without breaking the bank getting the most performance out of the machine, takes some creative theory crafting from time to time. Lovit this type of builds, thanks for the video!
@@Dantetheoneatpinnacle Think about Consoles like PS5Pro that GTA6 will be made to be played on. It's CPU is around Ryzen 3600 and GPU is around RX7700. So if you can easily get a far better CPU for cheap. Also GPU prices will fall after RTX5000 gets released. So if you find RTX4070 for cheap it would be a deal. But we don't know what the RTX5060 will offer. Only time will tell.
Still running a Frankenstein build for several years, where at least one component or more is from my previous systems. Pc after pc with same pattern of reusing what I can. Saves tons of money!
Buitl a pc since 2017 still uses a 1070 gpu with a updated mother x570 and a update cpu which I upodated since 2020. Still using my old hdd assweell and psu no need to upgrad emight do it for 5090
Same here. Recycle what you can, carry forward the bits and pieces that are still "working fine". My fractal case has survived 3 updates and my 1060 is still ticking along just fine. It really depends on what you use your PC for, and as I get older, games have been pushed out in favor of productivity and video playback. You don't need to chase the tech dragon to be happy with your experience.
but why x870 on the new mid tier pc though? i guess even if i was building a new mid tier pc using brand new components with the ryzen 9600x i wouldve gone with the b650m or equivalent and spent the savings on gpu. X870 for a mid tier pc is very overkill
People were saying "AM4 is dead, get AM5 and the 7600". Problem with doing that is AM5 is far more expensive for the same tier of product, and the money that wasn't spent could be instead spent on a higher end second hand videocard. RX 6600XT would have been far out of reach if I'd gone AM5.
@@hrishikeshkudva4379 technically, B650 is last gen. But seeing as B850 will be almost exactly the same, down to the same chipset, it's a distinction without a difference
My reply seems gone, but I agree, for 1018$, you can build a 7600 am5, with the 7600 xt. (according to PC part picker). 16gb cl36, 5600, the same SSD (NV3), B650 motherboard (with m2 wifi support, which is like 5-10$ on aliexpress), and then you got latest tech and it would be similar to the 5700x3d or beat it.
@@john_gohan I agree that 5600 is not a lot, but that's what LTT put in, I at least went down to cl36. My own pc which was 750€ got 16gb 6800 cl 30, because somehow that's only 69€ in my country and 5600 was 61€. But yeah the 5700x3d for example is even 220€ here and the 7600 is 190€. I'd argue the b650 from asrock at 100$ is quite decent value, offers basically everything you need for budget gaming. The nv3 is also just what LTT put
In 2017 I've scrapped some used parts together using the same philosophy. This is what I came up with: - cheapest 1155 MOBO - i5 3750K - 16 GB DDR3 - 450W beQuiet Power Supply - GTX 770 Ti The whole thing have cost me around 300$ and gave me good straight 7 years of gaming on 1080p. Witcher 3, cs:go, Starcraft 2, Prey, Apex Legends all smooth, zero problems. But its time has come. In some newer games, such as Hell Let Loose, it can achieve playable FPS on really low settings only. Thanks Linus for keeping the spirit of resourcefulness alive!
@@123mirc Hm, I guess it depends on where you live - somebody would say it's cheap, somebody would say it's expensive. Just to make sure - is the 2k EUR the price for both setups, or just the new one?
@@filipswacha5460 2K EUR for the brand new setup with a Ryzen 9 9900X, 4070 Super, 32 GB of ram, X870 chipset motherboard, Noctua NH-D15 cooler and an ASUS 1000 Watt Power Supply.
i bought the old but gold system - upgrading after 14 years from my Phenom II 1100T to Ryzen 7 5700X3D :) - Asus Rog Strix B550 F and a 3060 GPU for around 600€ - and now im set up for the next 10 years to go.
I was lucky with a relative that sold his pc to me, i7-8700k, 2080 GPU, 16GB of RAM, water cooled processor, compact case (almost looks like an Xbox X). 600€ for this
@raulv98 I'm sorry for being a horrible person, but the 4060 is faster and costs £260 new. For the remaining £340, you can get a much better CPU and the rest of the system. 16GB of RAM is barely enough for today too. Performance-wise, this is worth a maximum of £400/£500, and being used, I'd take at least 40% off. 😅 Unless he threw in a really good monitor and peripheral setup, he overcharged you 😅
Still running AM4 with an AMD 5900X CPU. Last year I upgraded my Radeon 6800XT to a 7900XTX and what a huge difference that made. And yes my GPU does run up to 100% in top tier games No bottleneck with an old Asus X470 motherboard with PCIe 3.0 x16 slots, because I game at 1440p super ultra wide, not 1080p. I have no intention of upgrading for years.
That's the way and mentality that many more should have and/or adopt in all honesty. I wish I had that years ago rather than spending unnecessary money for no real benefit really.
@@Dawelio it is very easy to feel the need to upgrade every generation but if you have a decent system, you usually only see small benefits. Add to this, with power requirements going through the roof for new GPUs, I probably won't ever buy anything high end again until they can get those down. My 850 watt power supply is at the upper end I am willing to run for a computer. We are in microwave oven realms and electricity costs have skyrocketed.
@@Toutvids Oh absolutely dude, completely agree with you and also the same mentality that I've gotten this year. This along with the insane prices that we have today as well as all the issues with new "standards". Most notably the new 12VHPWR controversy/scandal.
I bought a new 5700x3d, b550 mobo, and ram on a newegg special for ~300$. I feel like that combo is legendary for the price and over my 8 years of building pcs, I feel like the x3d series cpu is one of the best upgrades I've ever done. The increase in 1% lows from the cpu is VERY visible and a very welcome benefit, even if it is an "old" CPU
Nice to see this, just did a final upgrade of my 2020 AM4 build by getting the 5700X3D and 7800XT, plus 16GB of extra RAM for 32GB total. It runs great! Wouldn't buy AM4 new though...
Probably because when they were playing the games, they had to look at the monitors, so they put the camera behind the monitors, instead of in front, so you were looking at their faces instead of the back of their heads.
Because they also switch the camera perspective. It's matching how the camera is at that point because they are filming the gameplay and the hosts at the same time.
@@lmcgregoruk Makes sense, but for the video topic and user interpretation, it's not ideal. Usually you put things in reading order (for western, left to right), and you put first the expected or normal, and then the new/unexpected/groundbreaking one. In this case, the new medium should be on left and the old but gold on the right. Also, switching sides is a bad idea whichever layout you picked at the beginning.
4:35 Quick word of advice to people wanting to put together a budget build: external (USB, generally) wifi dongles for your PC work great, especially because they can be placed pretty far away from your PC instead of being crammed up against the wall. This is more important than ever, given how much trouble the most modern wifi standards can have getting through walls. So basically, if you can save some money by skipping the on-board wifi? Don't hesitate to do so.
Nah, USB WiFi is usually worse than internal PCIe WiFi, just buy an antenna with an extended wire and a magnetic base, stick it to the bottom of your desk's opposite corner or on top of the PC, then you can have the best of both worlds.
@@abdullahcfix No, so long as it can keep up with the data transfer rate there isn't going to be any difference. If the spectrum is noisy enough that a USB wifi dongle with a 6' cable is failing to get the data back to the PC... then an antenna with an "extended wire" is going to be pretty much totally overwhelmed.
Another word of advice: Increase your budget by working a couple of weekends for overtime pay. Remember, you will be stuck with this PC for years to come. You can make those future years better by putting in the extra time today. A couple of weekends isn't that much, don't betray your future self for years by being lazy today.
I'm just running a PCIe wifi board with a magnetic extended base that I can place wherever there's better signal. For me, it's the gold standard since my life requires relocating every few months to yet another inexpensive hotel near whichever new industrial construction project my partner's working at--I've got a higher antenna power than most dongles, and the ability to move my antennae to get the best signal I can through, and that's usually enough to be able to raid in my preferred MMO.
@@Ryan-093 X670E already had USB4 native if you wanted it - spoiler: no one did. All AMD did with X870(E) was take B650E/X670E and force manufacturers to include a bad USB4 controller - that nobody wanted in the first place - and integrate it in the worst way imaginable - taking 4 PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU permanently (said controller not even being capable of PCIe 5.0 speeds btw).
You can still buy AM4 new. A 5700X3D with 32GB is still very good for gaming. It is 229$ (with free 32GB RAM) at newegg and an average AM4 B550 board costs
if you are already on a budged and the 7800xt is over budged why you mention the 4070 that is already over the budged of a 7800xt but deliver less performance ? makes no point to me and before you come here and say "but raytracing" guess what... 4070 is as bad in Raytracing as the 7800xt is and most games you will play and are played by the people nowdays does not even support raytracing.
@@allxtend4005 theres nvidia exclusive rendering and production programs, and many that simply perform better on a nvidia card... but sure gaming amd takes the crown for fps/$
I've been trying to select parts for a gaming PC for my daughter for a few weeks now. I really like the tradeoffs you made with the Old but Gold system. It's a big help. Thanks!
The whole draw with upgradeability on the CPU/chipset really only makes sense if you upgrade often and hop on the new gen at the beginning. I upgraded my PC 2 years ago but that was the first time in 10 years. Upgrade paths don't matter on that timescale
Exactly. This whole "upgrade path" line is fear mongering. If you wait the right amount of time, you STILL save money even if you replace your entire rig.
yeah on a time scale of 10 years, thats fine, but on a 5 year timescale ( which imo is still a very reasonable time between upgrading a pc) or even three year timescale, an upgrade path seems worth it. I have a asrock b450 mobo that i bough in 2019 with a ryzen 5 1600 and rx 570 4gb and since then i have been able to go to a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 3070 and still have the ability to get a big performance upgrade while staying on AM4. And i can achieve this by buying a ryzen 7 5700x3d. Having a long upgrade path made this possible and is one of the main reasons why AM4 is beloved.
The whole it's upgradeable/you don't need a new motherboard/long socket support is AMD marketing talking. By the time the CPU needs upgrading you will want a new motherboard not for the new CPU but for everything else that has advanced. Memory, PCI-E and USB being the biggest changes that should happen during a CPU's lifespan... gen 1 AM4 motherboard did it have M.2 when you bought it or was that one the top end and only 1 slot? It is PCI-E gen 3. Upgrading a Gen 1 Ryzen you would still upgrade the motherboard and RAM even though the CPU will work after a BIOS update if you are lucky and the motherboard has a new bios for such an old board. A good lifespan/upgrade cycle rule of thumb is to upgrade the GPU every other generation and consider the CPU on the second upgrade cycle of the GPU, that's ~8 years. 8 years ago M.2 didn't exist, 8 years from today and maybe better storage will exist but for sure memory, USB, and PCI-E will have advanced so a new motherboard should be a part of the build even if the socket is still AM5 and that's what you have.
Once the restrictions of the "new" system are removed, if you can somehow buy a B650 motherboard and get its BIOS updated to support the 9000 series, you'd take off a huge chunk of the budget and invest that to a better GPU, a better case, a better PSU, etc.
I just built a B650 system, that does support up to a 9950X, it's the ASRock B650M PG Lightning Wifi. Highly budget but the only real downfall would be VRM and PCI-E 4.0, but one of the M.2 slots is indeed PCI-E 5.0 which is a nice bonus. I personally for now coming from an FX-8370 went with a Ryzen 5 8600G and already it's a massive improvement, and seems to benchmark closely with an i9 11th gen, to me that's not bad honestly since I don't crave latest and greatest like I used to. The upside is I went with socket AM5 to futureproof to an extent, and the mainboard does handle 48GB DIMMs, so I have up to 192GB RAM capability. To me this isn't a bad built considering it was downright a budget build. The main hiccup I have with the 8600G choice right now, is my 1080 Ti (taken from the FX machine it replaced to save on cash), is only running in x8 at PCI-E 3.0 speeds, but considering the FX pushed it at 2.0 x16 speeds, sure that works for now. A better CPU will gain me that x16 later, perhaps when I do upgrade the GPU (both will be upgraded at the same time). All in all, yes a B650 isn't entirely bad for a budget build if you get a motherboard getting proper BIOS updates. My new build which consisted of the case, CPU, motherboard and 32GB of 2x 16GB DDR5 RAM, was around $400, with the PSU, GPU and SSD's harvested from the FX machine. As for why I chose an APU, because the 1080 Ti is getting a little old at 7yrs old now, any bit of assistance helps if it means taking the load off of it, so using Hybrid graphics in reverse (monitor on the 1080 Ti, but delegating the low power apps to the iGPU instead in Windows manually since Auto will use the 1080 Ti even if it claims 760M), it helps with the micro stuttering quite a bit, especially if I want to have RUclips up in a PiP over the game itself, as the iGPU will handle the PiP, while the 1080 Ti focuses on the game itself. This surprisingly has gone a long way.
the most important part ist the GPU. 9600x vs 5700x3D and then its like on par, some games are better for 9600x and some for 5700x3D. But here is the hack. You take the weaker Ryzen 5 7500F. Then you can buy the same GPU. This would have been a much better build for "new mid", even though its a little worse than "old", but you have an AM5, that you can easily upgrade in the future.
I just finished building an "old but gold - older but gold''er?" system for a good friend's son. Since this is his first one, I had to get ALL the stuff, but was limited to 500 "European freedom units". The result is a weird Frankenstein, containing new and used parts .. but it's alive...! 😅 - Lenovo M720t with i5-9400 - 32GB RAM (upgraded from 4GB) - Geforce 1080 FE - 350W TFX PSU (the included one was way too weak) - 250GB NVME + 1TB SATA SSD - 3 new fans for better heat dissipation (and noise reduction) - Full RGB (yeah, it makes you play better 😂 ) Mouse and Keyboard from Corsair - acer FullHD monitor (60Hz only) It runs Win11, can play casual and newer games .. what else do you need. Limit "slightly" busted, and the keyboard I got was basically broken (it was for free, so whatever). However, I upgraded him to a brand new one without charging. All for about 520 € material only. Oh, and I had to modify the case to make everything fit .. but as said: Franky is alive!! 😂
Wow, kind of curious why bumping up to 32GB RAM that's quite a lot the 10 series without any frame generation will really hurt in some game thoughts, just like it showed in the video, sometimes it's playable vs unplayable
@@chrisdt2297 the RAM question is quite easy to answer: because I was able to. someone sold a 4x8GB kit for 50€ .. so why should I say no? Also it is a little more future proof. Well, as proof as this can be.
When I built my new PC, I was upgrading from a system that was 8-9 years into service, with the only upgrade being a "new" GTX 1660 and some more DDR3 ram. It was pretty good for what it was. For the new build, I went all next gen, bar the GPU because the 40 series just released at the time, and I managed to scoop up a 3080 for cheaper than a 2080. I wanted to try and future proof it and, hopefully, get another 8-9 years out of the new system. Which should be far easier than it was back then. I do mostly game dev stuff and gaming, and it's performed incredibly well for me. It's an investment, and I hope to not have to upgrade it any time soon.
@pixels_per_minute solid, same. Hoping the X3D chips get a bit cheaper over the coming months. If so I might grab a 7800X3D but I just can't justify $450-500 for a CPU lol
@@johnreeves1257 That's fair. I kinda just bit the bullet and got a 7950x. It was expensive, like 800 AUD, but it runs great, and I haven't had any issues so far. I knew it ran hotter than most CPUs going in, so I made sure to pick up a good water cooler and thermal paste as well. Other than that, I've got 2x32 GBs of DDR5 ram, an RTX 3080, and 6.5 TBs of storage. However, I may need more.
i dont think theres one out there, but id love to see a 'How to buy a PC" episode kinda like the how to build a PC video. super long dumbed down and just plain informative for all the people that know its cheaper to build your own but dont really know how to start and where to look
11:54 Correction to the video thing. The game cutscenes are 99% of fully in game cutscenes. Only 1 or 2 in the whole game are actual pre-rendered videos and the game has like 12 hours of cutscenes in. The cutscenes are capped to 60fps, but with a simple drop in mod, you can unlock that as well. With my 7800x3D and 3080 i still had to play the game (with high settings tho) with DLSS with performance mode to get that 80+ fps and still some places dropped to 60.
Let's be real, DDR5 probably won't matter for consumer desktops until late 2020s, if then, and PCIe 5.0 definitely won't benefit consumers until after 2030. I mean, the 4090 JUST broke the PCIe 3.0 x16 bandwidth cap. That means unless we go back to something like SLi, where we're breaking up a single PCIe 5.0 x16 lane into two x8 lanes for dual GPUs, it really won't matter. And frankly, we're already seeing that THAT is major goal with consumer desktop SSDs, splitting up high end PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 x4 lanes into dual x2 lanes so we can have more SSDs with essentially the same usable bandwidth for consumer tasks. Granted I'm not super in the know about DDR5, and while I'm more than happy to see new tech, so far I'm not jumping to replace my AM4 platform anytime soon. Frankly, besides maybe upgrading the CPU (since AMD seems to be releasing more AM4 CPUs?) and the GPU (thinking of upgrading to either the 5090-ish series or the 6090-ish series from my rtx 3090 ftw3 ultra), and then likely a PSU upgrade if needed, I don't even really see the worth in upgrading from my motherboard or RAM situation. Yes, I could try to track down super well binned, ultra fast DDR4 and track down an even better board and OC it, but that'd probably cost me like a grand on old parts... I could be totally off, but DDR5, PCIe 5.0, all that stuff seems far more important in the server and workstation market as of now, and besides synthetic benchmarks, I just can't imagine what benefit to even high end gaming either really has as of yet.
The problem is that gaming is not everything DDR5 plays a huge role in workload and there are tons of applications that benefits from that and better CPU architecture and numbers of cores.
false, DDR5 matters now, it depends on game and resolution/refreshrate. If you want to stay 1080p or 1440 with 120htz then yeah won't matter until late 2020s but a 2k with 240htz or something massive like that would need ddr5 to access all that info
I'm still rocking a B450 and R5 2600 from 2019. Only swapped out my GPU a few years ago because of some hardware issues. I still have drives from 2014 as well.
Ha same, except I'm still rocking a 2070 Super I bought around the same time. My SSD is also more recent as it's a NVMe SSD. My displays are laughably old though, the youngest display I own is an Element LCD TV from 2012. 💀
@@Timmycoo My first pc was a ryzen 3600x with 1660 super, still good for 1080p gaming. Upgraded to a ryzen 7 7800x3d and 4080 super now I play everything in 4k at 100+ fps. Could never go back. I will just be building a new high end PC every 6 years or so now. Good until 2030 for now.
Not from this generation , b850 isn't out but if you are willing to go last gen (You should do that) You can get a cheap b650e or even b650 , this isn't new vs used , this is current gen vs older gens .
I built a $600 PC recently, AMD 5600, 16GB ram, rtx 3070. I havent seen a better bang for buck yet. Even 3080 is twice the price for 50% more performance.
@jeanytpremium I can still get down with 60fps on certain types of games (jrpgs, some adventure games, and old stuff). But for anything with a lot of movement (fps and such), the high fps is preeeety key.
The motherboard choice was pretty weird tbh. Cutting there and maybe finding some good deals, you could probably find a way to squeeze a 7700xt for the "new pc" and it would've been way more of a competition.
Finally, someone with some sense lol. I loved a lot of the series they're bringing back. Onimusha (3) was one of the first times an actor (Jean Reno) was in a video game.
I spent around 400-500 USD (depending on the conversion rate) and a month ago I went from a decade-old i5-4690K, DDR3 PC to one with a R7 7700 (that's already been boosted to 7700X level), 16GB 6000MHz DDR5, an AM5 mobo, an 500GB M.2 gen 4 SSD and a new Fractal case with RGB. All of those purchases (except mobo) were deals cobbled together from outlets, used parts and sales (I got directly inspired to do all of this because of the latest Scrapyard Wars). From the old PC I transferred over an aftermarket CPU cooler (that was letting me keep my i5 at a stable 4.5GHz and also meant I could get a deal on a new CPU with no cooler included), HDDs/SSDs, a case fan, PSU (80+ gold XFX 650W that's been going for years with absolutely zero issues) and an RTX 2070 which I got dirt cheap when my cousin upgraded his PC. Considering my usage and requirements this will keep me going probably another 10 years and even if I decide to upgrade earlier the AM5 board means I can just buy a new CPU without replacing anything else. The 2070 Super is a beast and is more than enough for my 1080p 75hz needs. Not to mention my PC in both it's forms also did/does productivity, video editing, music production and so much more besides gaming that they easily payed/are paying for themselves. Also it's not like the 4th gen i5 PC was unusable and I was forced to upgrade, it still handled modern workloads relatively well, I was regularly playing games like Stellaris, CS2, MW2019, BF V, Assetto Corsa smoothly and did video editing in Premiere and music production in Ableton 12. During it's tenure the i5 saw 3 different GPUs (R9 280X, 1060TI, 2070 Super) and only really started to be a serious bottleneck on the last one, it also only got a cooling upgrade in the past year, which means it's been overclocked to 4.0GHz on the stock cooler for around 8 years with zero complaints or issues. Absolute beast of a CPU. They don't make 'em like they used to. Not to brag but how's this for making the most of your purchase and being frugal?
I'm on a 4690k gtx 1070 32gb ram 1tb m2 for games Old 60gb ssd foe windows And you aren't wrong about that cpu mate , been happily gaming on it for 8 years and now looking to upgrade to a new system as I want better visuals and high fps nowadays
I did the same. I upgraded my PC from I7 7700k to AMD R7 7700x because of the discounts I could get. I do not want the newest new, because I use my PC with Debian stable (it takes time for the drivers to get to Debian stable).
My old gaming pc (that I will be upgrading soon) has an overclocked water cooled i5 4690k at 4.5ghz. And the MSI 970 Gaming GPU haha, played RDR2 just fine on good graphics settings. Those old cpu's were beasts at stable 4.5ghz
People look at PC specs > game-required specs. As long as your hardware survives the journey, 5-plus-year-old hardware is good enough for Rocket League, WoW, Valheim, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Baulders Gate and many modern games. If you want modern AAA games, maybe less so, but that is only a requirement IF you want to play them at all. Personally, the only reason I upgraded my 2015 PC build's GPU from a 970 to a used 3060ti was so I could couch co-op with my wife and play Elden Ring with a bit more detail.
still have a 2nd gen ryzen with a 1060 that's useable with most of the games i play. the only reason im thinking about building a newish system is so i can give this system to my dad.
If you dont need 4K and you are on budget and have/buy nice 1080p 60Hz screen you dont need much even for AAA games. Its all about preferences. If you need highest details on 4K, then you have to spend a lot of money.
It all depends on how much money u earn. The people saying they're "fine" and "chilling with my wife playing elden ring" have never played on a 4k 240hz oled monitor with HDR, maxing out games and getting 200+ fps with a 4090 (with frame gen for demanding games). Its just a completely new world of gaming. If ure used to 1080p 60 fps, u'll never know the glory. But ofc, good things cost money. U gonna have to cough up at least like 2k to experience that. U dont need a 4090, a 4070 super can do the job on a budget. U also dont need oled or 240hz, there are some great 4k 144hz monitor for like 400-450 bucks. And the acer nitro mini-led for about 650 bucks. Still, around 2k on the lower end. Then as u get more money, u upgrade to a 1k+ monitor and 1.6k+ gpu, with bigger psu, bigger case and 4tb ssds, eventually reaching watercooled 4090 for a total cost of 5-6k. Past 6-7k theres nothing u can buy thats worth the money. Edit: i was wrong, u can buy high end 9.2.4 speaker setups that cost tens of thousands, with speakers all around u, hanging in the air etc. Still, the benefits of any speaker setup past 5.1 or 7.1 diminishes greatly, at least for gaming, and those can be had for a few thousand bucks. Now if u wanna make a home theater setup, u can spend hundreds of thousands on a good one.
Just bought Cyberpc I5 3600, Radon RX 7600, 16g ram, 850+ power supply, 1tb ssd, For $600 at walmart (advertised for $799). Upgraded to 48g ram (DDR5) for $115 (added 32g) at best buy. Looking into upgrading the CPU to another AM4 chip. Runs great so far, UNDER $1000 ! ! ! Oh, and came with windows.
It means that David wrote the script and Linus is the eye candy..... David is known to be more of a old school games connoisseur and with him having recently had to sell off half of his prized gaming collections, I think he fumbled the script a bit. I am not sure what he meant by AMD no longer provides Ryzen 3 or 5 cpus? Maybe he means that the availability was difficult to source. I am not sure. I think he just made a mistake.
A month ago, I built a system for $1015 with a Ryzen 7 5700X, RX 6800, B500 gigabyte board, 32gb DDR4 3600, and a 750w PSU with a Zalman case. Its a pretty banger setup and has handled everything Ive thrown at it, especially since my monitor is 1080p
i just upgraded too, AMD 7950X3D, ASUS B650-A ROG Strix, Zotac NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity, DeepCool AK620, T-FORCE DELTA RGB 32GB, ASUS TUF Gaming 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold - fully capable for 4k, i always game at 1080p high refresh rate no overclocking. always a joy to game.
@@critiedo you use this for any professional work that requires this many cores? Otherwise getting cheaper CPU and motherboard with better GPU would be a much better choice for gaming
@@coden4tv617 I didnt want an Nvidia GPU for Linux compatibility, and iirc its slightly faster than the 4070 in raw performance. Plus the two extra cores is nice, I do heavy multitasking across numerous screens.
In the past there used to be some difference between AMD and NVIDIA in contrast and colors in games and sharpness on desktop. You can find all kinds of old forum threads about it. At 13:26 it looks like this may still be true. Maybe an investigation topic for a new video?
I'm definitely in the "old but gold" camp. Currently rocking a Ryzen 3700X and RTX 2060 that were already previous gen when I built my rig (and I was even considering the venerable 1000 series, likely a 1070 or 1080). That rig is still going strong both for gaming and software like Blender and SolidWorks. My main bottleneck is that my monitor "only" runs at 1080p 60hz; not cutting edge anymore but still a perfectly fine standard. My library isn't the most demanding (except maybe Flight Sim 2020) but I have yet to play a game I can't get to maintain a stable 60 fps with good visuals (usually high or high-medium settings)
4:20 wow that voice over sounded weird. I guess That was a brief snipet of AI voice? Edit: And 5:03? Personally i would prefer a real voice, even if its just an editor, but I can understand if some might prefer the AI.
Did they just use TTS to fill a gap ? and made a wrong statement about AMD "AMD doesn't release Ryzen 3 and 5 parts anymore" even though they are using a Ryzen 5 9600X in this video ? come on LTT
@TechMeldOfficial he referred to the 9600x as ryzen 7 in this video and a previous one. Which left me confused because from what I know, they are ryzen 5 instead. Right?
@@morrisshaye6994 yes, here is a simple explanation to not get confused anymore: 400 or lower in the SKU number is for Ryzen 3, 500 and 600 is for Ryzen 5, 700 and 800 is for Ryzen 7 and 900 and 950 is for Ryzen 9
This is a fun concept but I won't bother watching because the most sensical is to just look at a price-performance chart based on your local available stock when you're building up your list parts to order. Other considerations are that second-hand prices allow potentially better parts at the risk of wear and tear and loss of warranty
Ive got a 5700x3d w/ a Peerless Assassin, RX6800, 2x 16GB sticks 3200MHz ram, Samsung 980 pro 2TB w/ heatsink ( snagged it almost 2 years ago new on sale for $93, hell of a deal), MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk Max WiFi, and an 850W Corsair 80+Gold PSU. I built it like 1.5 years ago, minus the 5700x3d ( i got that on sale for $181 this year, and I wanted to try and x3d chip). It kicks ass at 1440p
Nice, mine that is almost exactly the same except I have a 6800 XT that got on sale last year. Crazy to me to think I upgraded to a 3 now almost 4 year old card that still is more than enough for 1440p for me.
@@gazehound 5800x3d rx6800xt and 32gb ram, and its been hobbled together over the years. The mobo is from 5 or 6 years ago. The AM3 was a GOAT of architecture for CPUs.
With the upgradability, you have to consider too that the GPU in the older system is far better and will likely last much longer. That should make up for the fact that you gotta replace your Mobo and RAM later. Additionally, AM5 and DDR5 will also get cheaper in the future (albeit not by as much as recently) so this older system may end up only losing you a few bucks over time, if it loses any at all.
@@vista9434 exactly. And you could 1080 that PC with the 7800xt for a good while. I don’t play newer games all that often though, mostly racing and Minecraft so I’m not the ideal example.
Yeah they should also make some possible upgrades to each of those systems - like buying current used parts in few years for 50% of its price. I wonder which would come up cheaper, then add some graphs with FPS. It would have been nice. With older system it would be mobo/cpu/ram, but with new system it would be CPU and GPU which could be even cheaper. I know I know that you dont buy what a promise of what will you do in next 5years. But many ppl do that, including myself... Sadly win11 requirements forced me to throw out perfectly fine i7-7700k :(
What’s not discussed is the upgrade path which has lead me to a near exact match of your old system with the cost spread over many years. I’m still very happy with it.
Just THIS YEAR, I helped my grandson build a gaming rig for under $500!! WE started with a used computer that already had a case and a decent power supply! We THEN upgraded the motherboard, and added a graphics card, CPU, RAM and LED lights plus a spare hard drive I had kicking around!! He was STUNNED that a computer, desktop, could be built so cheaply!!!
Just built one of my first systems. Half used half new, 5700x3d was where i ended up. I tried getting a 7600xt but it had savage coil whine i couldnt deal with, sent it back and got a 4060ti fe for a few more bucks because i like how they look. Way better performance and it is WAY quieter. It fits my requirements fully and after my case i spent around 1100 cad
My friend has a mini pc, its an asrock a520i, amd 5600gt, adata xpg 3200mhz cl16 16gb x 2, zotac rtx4060 with a 600 watt enhance platinum psu. runs cyberpunk 2077, 1080p raytracing high with frame gen, 90-120fps build budget: $900 Pcie: Gen 3
My most recent build is a mix of both. New case, new ram, new cpu, new psu. Used mobo, used gpu. I wanted to buy a used case and used psu, but the ones I wanted weren’t readily available. My build was around $1200 on AM5. I’m very happy with the performance. I will likely upgrade in 7-10 years with a used CPU and GPU. I anticipate that being the last DIY PC build I’ll make as mini PCs and SOC devices are making significant strides.
What games? I haven't personally experienced any issues that haven't already been fixed by updating the frame gen DLL or waiting for the developer to do it. Meanwhile, FSR Frame Gen has ghosting and fizzling in every game its in.
The worst part about Frame generation by far, is that you are still interacting with the mouse on the screen at the framerate that you get without frame gen. So, basically say you have frame gen off, and you get 30 fps; if you turn frame gen on, and you get 60 fps, you will have what feels like 30 frames of latency between when you act, and what you actually see on screen. It's a huge scam, you are basically feeling the 30 fps, while SEEING the 60 fps with strange graphical anomalies.
@@kerkertrandov459 Okay, two things. First: If you’re already getting 60 fps prior to frame gen, why would you even care to turn it on? Second: Even if you are getting 60 fps once you turn it on, and get 100 fps, you’re still only feeling 60 fps. The problem doesn’t cap out at 60 fps. It’s entirely relative. Since this is the case, why in the heck would anyone who actually wants higher than 60 fps, want to be restricted to having the tactile feeling of 60 fps in the first place? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. Your logic, it doesn’t make any sense at all.
my friends KEEP fucking saying they cant afford a PC and buy console slop year after year. I point them to used parts and they go full "Patrick Star Orb Of Confusion" mode.
You should ask them how many consoles they've bought in the past 2-3 years alongside the other stuff like controllers/games/services and maybe itemize them all then compare it to a used system today!
@@superhotwasabi1044I think typically you only buy a PlayStation or Xbox. You don’t need to buy both and the controller kinda goes for PC as well. If you want to play a console single player it comes with a controller. I’d say the biggest savings on PC are the sales on digital PC games vs digital console games and that it can be used for work/school related items as well
@quatjohn4375 Usually a console generation or new version would take that long to come out, plus the 2-3 years is also applying to games and other stuff, not just the console
@@superhotwasabi1044 Xbox 360 was 2005 to 2013 and Xbox one was 2013 to 2020. I think typically 5 years per generation is expected but recently it’s been longer.
@quatjohn4375 Xbox One, 2013. Xbox One S, 3016. Xbox One X, 2017 PS4, 2013. PS4 Slim, 2016. PS4 Pro, 2016 different models with better specs than the previous releasing within a fairly short period in between
When Monster Hunter Wilds is almost here or even shortly after it releases, I'd like to see a build guide comparison of budget vs performance made to run it. Currently the specs required for such mediocre quality settings has made a LOT of people concerned lately. Hoping to see what kind(s) of part combinations work with the varying levels of success people may want/need for it.
I just spent about $2200 on a new build (excluding mouse, keyboard, monitor, and speakers which I already had). Upgraded from an Intel 4th gen (2013/2014) to a Ryzen 9000 series (2024). NO RAGRETZ
Made similar jump in 2023. 13700k with 4070ti. I really love when you can feel how much better it is in every single game or even loading crap in windows.
1:49 WTF is Linus saying about AMD not doing Ryzen 5 and where did he get Ryzen 7 9600X from? It is Ryzen 5 9600X, isn't it? Even on processor in this shot it is labeled Ryzen 5 not Ryzen 7. EDITED after finishing watching: The general Idea of video is pretty interesting especially since usually you suggest to buy used, when on low budget, but a lot of people do not like that (do not have good second market in their area or just want to have warranty). Edited even late: Now there is a pinned comment from LTT about that mistake
Great video! Makes me even more happy with my decision to pick up a build that has a 5800x3d and 6700xt in it. I was a little worried that my $700 investment might have been a bit foolhardy, however I've been overall Thrilled with it thus far...and seeing this just reinforces that I made the right choice. I can still upgrade the gpu later if I find a need..but so far nothing I play requires it. The 6700xt is a beast of a card and the cpu has been exactly the monster I'd hoped!
I might be wrong but it feels like getting the (somewhat) latest for laptops does make more sense than a desktop, especially if you’re looking at efficiency gains that will directly affect battery life.
A good thin and light is amazing if u have a use case for it. Definitely go for a new or at the least a refurb current gen. For desktops and phones I find last or even 2 gen old flagships is the sweet spot.
Plus loads of bloatware, nonstandard case and shitty motherboard and powersupply, probably! And bo upgradability, meaning if one part becomes outdated, the whole machine turns e-waste
Correction at 1:50: We say that AMD doesn't really make Ryzen 3 or 5 Chips anymore then immediately install a Ryzen 5 Chip and call it a Ryzen 7. Fix Incoming
Thanks guys, mistakes happen, you guys rock! Keep up the great work.
Maybe I should upgrade my ryzen 3 then…
why 4060
Instead of the 7800XTX You guys could have bought a 3080 (10GB) or 3080 (12GB) and have Nvidia Frame Gen on the older System as well.
@@wick3dkatanad593 Yeah, it might be more interesting to see some latest gen AMD card there.
"He's been wanting to upgrade his PC, but the people around him keep saying it isn't a good time for it. This has gone on for four years" kinda paradox.
I feel you
my system hasn't changed since 2017 and still does everything i want
My 7 year old machine with a i7-8700, 32GB of ram and 1080 still runs everything ok and it paid for itself running nicehash back when it was viable.
@@ccibinel Nice argument, however: *You own a 1080.*
I used to game on a 970 for years before upgrading to a 3070 Ti and the difference was huge, as for the rest - CPU seems not to be to consequencial, and RAM is fine if you get 16 gigs anyway.
@@Box-O-Soldier Depends on what kinds of games you play games with what is commonly refered to as "good graphics" often rely more on GPU than CPU so the CPU is less important but there are many games (simulations and city builders mostly everything that needs to calculate a lot of internal systems) which rely a lot on the CPU to run those and for those it can be rather important.
I'm not a fan anymore of thinking about the upgrade path. I just replace the whole system every 5-10 years depending on how demanding the games got I like to play.
@demacherius1 right, just buy a high end and wait for it to become low end. It could last you 10 years easy.
Upgrading has always been a myth. Yes you can make small upgrades like buying more ram etc. But you can't go and buy the latest graphics card 4 or 5 years later because your mother board won't support it, or some other part will be incompatible and suddenly you have to replace everything anyway.
So do I, used to upgrade parts, but it's very expensive, so just buy a $1500-$2000 PC instead that is balanced.
Yup, I always buy the best of what I can afford, wait 8-10 years, and then do it again. Definitely saves more money over the long-term than upgrading piecemeal over and over again throughout a decade.
I mostly agree but it's still something worth considering even for used builds, I started with a used ryzen 3600 a little before the price started to drop to $100 then a couple years later got a 5800X also for around $100, not be the greatest jump but still pretty good and since all I had to replace was the CPU it was far cheaper and more cost effective than jumping into AM5.
"Should I upgrade / Buy a PC" is really nothing but a comparison between "What do you actually do with your PC" versus "Epeen Reasons".
- If you spend 95% of your time playing Indie Steam games, watching RUclips, and checking email... You don't need half of what you think you do.
- If your stuff is old, but it still does everything fine "As far as you can tell"... Let it go. You're fine for now. Wait for the deals.
yeah, I was using a 1060 up until a couple months ago and it worked great for pretty much everything
Yeah pretty much, back when it was new I used a radeon 7850 until about 2018 (so 5 or 6 years), had to turn settings on low sometimes but it still ran the majority of games and everything else fine.
Although I only agree with "Epeen Reasons" if you're referring to people who say they need a top of the line system for something ridiculous, however sometimes you just really want something nice, like I wanted an ROG phone, I didn't have to have a gaming phone and I could find similar options for about $300, but I paid an extra $100 for it to get what I truly wanted rather than settle.
@@starsalmon1 yeah i was using celeron and intel sd graphics, im fine, it runs rdr2 fine at 240p.
if you just watch Linus tech tips. A 100$ rk3588 SBC will work miracles for you. Especially on your electricity bill.
The same is true if you just want to watch videos.
@@sureberferber9101 that's not true either. Plenty of indie titles are pushing the limits of old hardware, because old hardware doesn't have access to technologies that are now available to indies.
My PC is 7 years old, 1070, 16gb i7-8700k and in quite a few indie titles I have to lower shit down. Straight exemple, currently playing Vintage Story with a friend (a heavily inspired Minecraft game) and I have to turn render distance, SSAO, Ray tracing etc way down.
I can still play fine at 60+ FPS, but it's definitely hurting my gaming experience
Hey someone's gotta buy the new pc for me to buy it cheap in the future!
@@jashelps 27 minutes ago?
How did you comment 27 minutes ago when you're not a member
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was it from 5:03 to 5:10 or the whole CPU section??
Damn, good ears! Didn’t realise it at all until you pointed it out
@@boltez6507 just 5:03 to 5:10
AI?
no way.. i didnt even notice
I basically built the old PC a few months ago. same 5700X3D, asus prime MOBO, 32GB ram, Only major Diff is i bought a Used 3080 and a bigger Power Supply.
Do you think the 3080 is a better choice? Also is that cpu worth planning a build around? Im new to pc building and comparing those 2 things keep confusing me.
@@ryanwaddington4896 would you recommend that build? I’m thinking about building my first PC
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@lilmancc35 5700X3D is essentially end of life for the socket, so if you go that route keep that in mind that if you want to upgrade the CPU you'll need a new mobo, and ram at least, AM5 will be supported longer but by the time you want to upgrade from the 5700X3D there may be a new socket anyways. For the price the 5700X3D is pretty nuts
@@lilmancc35 i love the CPU. If all your doing is gaming i think the savings of going AM4 to get a better GPU is the way to go. and i think the used 3080 was good, but it did die after a month and i had to buy a new card. i think that just goes to show the trade off with buying used. you can get a much better card but you are on your own if it kicks the bucket.
I just built my first pc over the weekend. I watched MANY of your videos and others to help me learn about computers. Just wanted to say the build was a success, and thanks for your help along the way!
@@colbysayre8097 bro imma about to get started this weekend literally😩 wish me luck
Can you please share your new built PC's specs and the total cost?
@devranjan665 sure thing
Case- corsair 4000d = $100
Psu- corsair e750w = $100
Mobo-msi pro b760wifi=$140
Ram- corsair vengeance 2x32= $100
Memory- crucial p3 2tb nvme = $100
Cpu- intel i5 12400f = $100
Gpu- msi rtx 3060 12gb = $265
Keyboard-Logitech k120 = $12
Monitor- acer nitro 27" 1440p 180hz = $200
*All prices were roughly rounded
@devranjan665 just wanted to add that the performance is everything I expected. I don't play extremely demanding titles, but I do play on max settings in 1440p and I can still upgrade in the future.
the moment he pulled out the rx 7800 xt to compare with the rtx 4060 it was game over😂
bro its not even close in traditional rendering
It wasn't even the ti which is and odd choice because you can fit a 7800 XT in a new 1k budget so you could also fit a 4060 ti or 7700 XT which is the better choice in one too still worse but, uh better then 4060......
@@labiates lol ikrr
how those two cards even compare(when considering the gaming aspect uk)
I have a Gigabyte Rx7800xt and it's one heck of a good deal for the money. It runs a 32" 4k 144HZ screen and a 34" 1440p very well for my needs and most games don't even need upscaling
@@mightyakkylex ohh man, i want one so bad. i have a rx 6600 and its pretty good since i have a 1080p monitor and i dont care about upscaling and ray tracing.But 1440p, thats the dream🤝🤝
Hardware barely depreciates in price anymore and the used market here is dead and buried because of the former. Those old X3D CPUs are already marked up now and are soon to become unobtanium for real.
Exactly, I’m planning to use a new gen 9700X bc the poor launch has led to a fall from 360 to 325, while inflating 7800X3D from 360 to 430 over the same period.
Companies treat gaming hardware as a side business. Datacenter and AI is where the real profit is. There's no point in releasing good affordable hardware anymore.
It's only that AM4 is a dead platform, and there's a huge demand for existing AM4 systems to upgrade, arguably more so than the 7000 series X3D chips.
@@LuximosTG The 9800X3D should release on November 7th, so the prices *should* drop
Yeah I don't understand how they don't realize that whenever a big youtuber makes a video like this it ALWAYS makes the prices of said things go up, even with brand new products companies will raise the MSRP
With my friend we had created a cascade upgrade pattern: I need better component for my job (lot of 3D rendering) and my company pays me for hardware upgrade every couple of year, so I buy the latest tech and hand down my old to my friend, rotating between them. So every 2/3 generation every one gets an upgrade.
If you ever need to expand your circle I'd absolutely be interested.
Thats how Ive been with my brother, I got into building but he didnt, I just put my old cards to him which are an upgrade
This is how my father and I have done it for decades. It used to be him handing down parts to me from his IT job, now it's me handing down my old rig to him in his retirement years. Every 5-10 years he gets a upgrade that is at most only a generation behind.
@@jskop566This is not a circle, this is a waterfall!
You're one heck of a good friend
I'm also trying to build a PC for my grandson Paul, he's 15 right now, but I'm a bit lost, not sure about a graphic card or where to get Windows/Office? could somebody give me advice? thank you.
Ma'am, I guess it's a gaming PC you want to build, you should get help from an expert, try RADEON, and BNH Software for the rest, if not just buy a new PC, not sure how tech savvy you are, well... you might pull it off...
You need to give us more information, about the budget you have at least, graphic card: GeForce, the rest anywhere...
@@nocoverchargee I would go to the nearest tech store, and get advice from people who are experienced in computers, or watch a RUclips guide on a build that fits in your budget. I would recommend finding a video that includes a build tutorial, so he can build it himself, or you can build it with him to have some fun!
I think you might as well buy one
@@nocoverchargee a microcenter store has the tech & people to help with any build you might want.
Failing that B&H camera is a really helpful place.
Ai Linus for the motherboard and CPU edits cracked me up lol
Thats what happens when someone whines and makes a whole video about false info and tries to cancel you.
@@paulpietschinski3282I think you meant "points out serious flaws and tries to hold a media company accountable for errors in their coverage and mishandling of valuable items that aren't their property".
@@AgencyNighthawkminus the part that they gave LTT the prototype and then got butt hurt and asked for it back. Yea they shouldn't have auctioned it but billet labs should never have told them they could keep it...
Man i couldn't figure out the CPU one.
I was like "wait, what?"
4:19 That sounds like AI Linus. Is it AI Linus?
it is
yeah same like at 5:03 really weird.
It is. I dub him Ainus.
They probably do that as an easy way to correct something during editing or after a video comes out without having to keep fetching Linus to record a line.
yeah i thought that too, kinda sucks that a huge company can't be bothered to get there products right without it
The best way to spec your computer is to know what you are going to use it for. Experience already owning and using a PC to do your tasks is a must. Then you need to investigate what is holding you back from doing more. Is it a slow or too small ssd, is it slow or not enough ram, or Gpu, cpu? Then build one specifically to overcome that issue, and find the next thing holding you back. This is the evolution of all of my PCs over 30 years. I haven't overspent but I'm getting 80-90% of the performance of the top tier new stuff.
And also how long you think you are likely to use it for... is it for 5 years or till it rots... (you might only be planning to play only that one game even in your grandparent years...)
@@PrograError I rarely keep my PCs asembled for more than a year, or two, between upgrades or rebuilds. I use them until they are useless.
Even my 12 year old said that there are so many games already released it would be impossible to play them all. You have to pick what you like to do and focus on that.
There is no point in splurdging on the best RT Card if you mostly play a game like Rocket League or Counterstrike.
If you're after FPS for example but have a 60Hz monitor you will stay disappointed no matter what the rest of the system can do.
Find what's holding you back, and beat it. Then do it again. it's simple
@@PrograError lmao skyrim for me
@@MrOnepiece14 I've got Skyrim VR with the HIGGS mods, smacking Thalmor around with the back of my hand and grabbing their weapons before they atttack is glorious. It remakes the unarmed class, I've uppercutted enemies to defeat them. Have fun.
I don't like that approach. Yall expect every PC user will be the nerd and expert in his own hardware. The truth is, if system is well balanced, rarely you'll see CPU bottlenecking without GPU or vice versa. With well balanced build, parts will be equal, and also upgrading will be useless since improvement would requires to upgrade all parts as well.
This is a strategy I’ve used for the last 15 years or so when building gaming rigs.
Without breaking the bank getting the most performance out of the machine, takes some creative theory crafting from time to time.
Lovit this type of builds, thanks for the video!
Bro any idea what type of pc build will be able to play gta 6 at high settings at 1080p
@@Dantetheoneatpinnacle Think about Consoles like PS5Pro that GTA6 will be made to be played on. It's CPU is around Ryzen 3600 and GPU is around RX7700.
So if you can easily get a far better CPU for cheap. Also GPU prices will fall after RTX5000 gets released. So if you find RTX4070 for cheap it would be a deal. But we don't know what the RTX5060 will offer. Only time will tell.
@AmigoAmigo-w5p if I'm getting a pre built pc with rx 6800 xt 16 gb then it's more than enough?
Still running a Frankenstein build for several years, where at least one component or more is from my previous systems. Pc after pc with same pattern of reusing what I can.
Saves tons of money!
@@Untun Theseus' pc
Buitl a pc since 2017 still uses a 1070 gpu with a updated mother x570 and a update cpu which I upodated since 2020. Still using my old hdd assweell and psu no need to upgrad emight do it for 5090
I've only upgraded my PC once in the 7 years since I first built it, but all I was really able to keep was my 7200 RPM HDD and the case💀
The Rig of Theseus
Same here.
Recycle what you can, carry forward the bits and pieces that are still "working fine".
My fractal case has survived 3 updates and my 1060 is still ticking along just fine.
It really depends on what you use your PC for, and as I get older, games have been pushed out in favor of productivity and video playback.
You don't need to chase the tech dragon to be happy with your experience.
but why x870 on the new mid tier pc though? i guess even if i was building a new mid tier pc using brand new components with the ryzen 9600x i wouldve gone with the b650m or equivalent and spent the savings on gpu. X870 for a mid tier pc is very overkill
People were saying "AM4 is dead, get AM5 and the 7600". Problem with doing that is AM5 is far more expensive for the same tier of product, and the money that wasn't spent could be instead spent on a higher end second hand videocard. RX 6600XT would have been far out of reach if I'd gone AM5.
@@hrishikeshkudva4379 technically, B650 is last gen. But seeing as B850 will be almost exactly the same, down to the same chipset, it's a distinction without a difference
@@rashidal-suwaidi I mean technically, it's not though since B50 aren't out yet it, so B650 should still be the current gen for this chipset.
My reply seems gone, but I agree, for 1018$, you can build a 7600 am5, with the 7600 xt. (according to PC part picker). 16gb cl36, 5600, the same SSD (NV3), B650 motherboard (with m2 wifi support, which is like 5-10$ on aliexpress), and then you got latest tech and it would be similar to the 5700x3d or beat it.
@@john_gohan I agree that 5600 is not a lot, but that's what LTT put in, I at least went down to cl36. My own pc which was 750€ got 16gb 6800 cl 30, because somehow that's only 69€ in my country and 5600 was 61€.
But yeah the 5700x3d for example is even 220€ here and the 7600 is 190€.
I'd argue the b650 from asrock at 100$ is quite decent value, offers basically everything you need for budget gaming.
The nv3 is also just what LTT put
0:36 Chicken Linus
Lol that's so funny. I keep on tapping the timestamp to hear the chicken sound 😅
😂
Straight out of MGSV
Thank you..sir i have been tapping it for past 12min...😂
actually foul... rather, fowl.
In 2017 I've scrapped some used parts together using the same philosophy. This is what I came up with:
- cheapest 1155 MOBO
- i5 3750K
- 16 GB DDR3
- 450W beQuiet Power Supply
- GTX 770 Ti
The whole thing have cost me around 300$ and gave me good straight 7 years of gaming on 1080p.
Witcher 3, cs:go, Starcraft 2, Prey, Apex Legends all smooth, zero problems.
But its time has come. In some newer games, such as Hell Let Loose, it can achieve playable FPS on really low settings only.
Thanks Linus for keeping the spirit of resourcefulness alive!
7 years of gaming w no issues for $300 is fantastic. Congrats
I've bought some components in 2018 (upgraded MB, GPU, PSU and RAM) for 800-ish bucks:
- Ryzen 7 2700
- 16 GB DDR3 2667 Mhz
- 850 watt Corsair CX850M PSU
- GTX 1070
Now I've decided to upgrade everything besides the case and storage.
SO i've spent 2k euros lol.
@@123mirc Hm, I guess it depends on where you live - somebody would say it's cheap, somebody would say it's expensive.
Just to make sure - is the 2k EUR the price for both setups, or just the new one?
@@filipswacha5460 2K EUR for the brand new setup with a Ryzen 9 9900X, 4070 Super, 32 GB of ram, X870 chipset motherboard, Noctua NH-D15 cooler and an ASUS 1000 Watt Power Supply.
i bought the old but gold system - upgrading after 14 years from my Phenom II 1100T to Ryzen 7 5700X3D :) - Asus Rog Strix B550 F and a 3060 GPU for around 600€ - and now im set up for the next 10 years to go.
This is the way. Buy what you need, plus a little bit of headroom. You won't need to upgrade for many years.
I was lucky with a relative that sold his pc to me, i7-8700k, 2080 GPU, 16GB of RAM, water cooled processor, compact case (almost looks like an Xbox X). 600€ for this
A 3060 won't last you ten years, but the rest of it just might. Figure on a new GPU half way through.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 Their 5700X3D is more than ready to handle a GPU upgrade, which makes it a nice long-term build. +1 to just changing the GPU later.
@raulv98 I'm sorry for being a horrible person, but the 4060 is faster and costs £260 new. For the remaining £340, you can get a much better CPU and the rest of the system. 16GB of RAM is barely enough for today too. Performance-wise, this is worth a maximum of £400/£500, and being used, I'd take at least 40% off. 😅 Unless he threw in a really good monitor and peripheral setup, he overcharged you 😅
Still running AM4 with an AMD 5900X CPU. Last year I upgraded my Radeon 6800XT to a 7900XTX and what a huge difference that made. And yes my GPU does run up to 100% in top tier games No bottleneck with an old Asus X470 motherboard with PCIe 3.0 x16 slots, because I game at 1440p super ultra wide, not 1080p. I have no intention of upgrading for years.
That's the way and mentality that many more should have and/or adopt in all honesty. I wish I had that years ago rather than spending unnecessary money for no real benefit really.
Mine was 5600x and 3070. Yes its showing its age for 1440p at newest triple a's game, but still perfectly fine
@@Dawelio it is very easy to feel the need to upgrade every generation but if you have a decent system, you usually only see small benefits. Add to this, with power requirements going through the roof for new GPUs, I probably won't ever buy anything high end again until they can get those down. My 850 watt power supply is at the upper end I am willing to run for a computer. We are in microwave oven realms and electricity costs have skyrocketed.
@@Toutvids Oh absolutely dude, completely agree with you and also the same mentality that I've gotten this year. This along with the insane prices that we have today as well as all the issues with new "standards". Most notably the new 12VHPWR controversy/scandal.
@@Dawelio yes prices have become stupid. I won't ever touch the new 12VHPWR connector. What a joke.
I bought a new 5700x3d, b550 mobo, and ram on a newegg special for ~300$. I feel like that combo is legendary for the price and over my 8 years of building pcs, I feel like the x3d series cpu is one of the best upgrades I've ever done. The increase in 1% lows from the cpu is VERY visible and a very welcome benefit, even if it is an "old" CPU
Nice to see this, just did a final upgrade of my 2020 AM4 build by getting the 5700X3D and 7800XT, plus 16GB of extra RAM for 32GB total. It runs great! Wouldn't buy AM4 new though...
10:08 Why would you have the old PC on the left for the entire first half of the video, just to put it on the right in the gameplay footage.
@@WumbologyPHD cancel Linus, false advertisement, he's paid actor, smegma
Those gosh darn editors!
Probably because when they were playing the games, they had to look at the monitors, so they put the camera behind the monitors, instead of in front, so you were looking at their faces instead of the back of their heads.
Because they also switch the camera perspective.
It's matching how the camera is at that point because they are filming the gameplay and the hosts at the same time.
@@lmcgregoruk Makes sense, but for the video topic and user interpretation, it's not ideal. Usually you put things in reading order (for western, left to right), and you put first the expected or normal, and then the new/unexpected/groundbreaking one. In this case, the new medium should be on left and the old but gold on the right. Also, switching sides is a bad idea whichever layout you picked at the beginning.
4:35 Quick word of advice to people wanting to put together a budget build: external (USB, generally) wifi dongles for your PC work great, especially because they can be placed pretty far away from your PC instead of being crammed up against the wall. This is more important than ever, given how much trouble the most modern wifi standards can have getting through walls.
So basically, if you can save some money by skipping the on-board wifi? Don't hesitate to do so.
I noticed the newer boards don't have optional wifi anymore, its just standard
Nah, USB WiFi is usually worse than internal PCIe WiFi, just buy an antenna with an extended wire and a magnetic base, stick it to the bottom of your desk's opposite corner or on top of the PC, then you can have the best of both worlds.
@@abdullahcfix No, so long as it can keep up with the data transfer rate there isn't going to be any difference.
If the spectrum is noisy enough that a USB wifi dongle with a 6' cable is failing to get the data back to the PC... then an antenna with an "extended wire" is going to be pretty much totally overwhelmed.
Another word of advice: Increase your budget by working a couple of weekends for overtime pay. Remember, you will be stuck with this PC for years to come. You can make those future years better by putting in the extra time today. A couple of weekends isn't that much, don't betray your future self for years by being lazy today.
I'm just running a PCIe wifi board with a magnetic extended base that I can place wherever there's better signal. For me, it's the gold standard since my life requires relocating every few months to yet another inexpensive hotel near whichever new industrial construction project my partner's working at--I've got a higher antenna power than most dongles, and the ability to move my antennae to get the best signal I can through, and that's usually enough to be able to raid in my preferred MMO.
0:11 I never noticed how Linus is like Doctor Who, they both have an amazing screwdriver
BitFenix Comrade and MSI Z370-A Pro since 2018 😂 Upgraded CPU once, GPU twice, and just bought my first NVME SSD 55€. A lot of money saved!
"Should you stop buying the latest stuff?" - immediately goes to the sponsor segment for an X870E mobo...
I’ve noticed that too
X870E is a scam, it's just downgraded X670E.
@@MajinOthinus LMAO
@MajinOthinus it has USB4 native. if u don't need that then don't buy 800 series motherboard.
@@Ryan-093 X670E already had USB4 native if you wanted it - spoiler: no one did.
All AMD did with X870(E) was take B650E/X670E and force manufacturers to include a bad USB4 controller - that nobody wanted in the first place - and integrate it in the worst way imaginable - taking 4 PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU permanently (said controller not even being capable of PCIe 5.0 speeds btw).
You can still buy AM4 new. A 5700X3D with 32GB is still very good for gaming. It is 229$ (with free 32GB RAM) at newegg and an average AM4 B550 board costs
if you are already on a budged and the 7800xt is over budged why you mention the 4070 that is already over the budged of a 7800xt but deliver less performance ? makes no point to me and before you come here and say "but raytracing" guess what... 4070 is as bad in Raytracing as the 7800xt is and most games you will play and are played by the people nowdays does not even support raytracing.
@@allxtend4005 Because some people just prefer Nvidia.
@@allxtend4005 theres nvidia exclusive rendering and production programs, and many that simply perform better on a nvidia card... but sure gaming amd takes the crown for fps/$
Old but Gold!!!
For sure. I've built a few of those since 2011, for my friends and I.
I've been trying to select parts for a gaming PC for my daughter for a few weeks now. I really like the tradeoffs you made with the Old but Gold system. It's a big help. Thanks!
The whole draw with upgradeability on the CPU/chipset really only makes sense if you upgrade often and hop on the new gen at the beginning. I upgraded my PC 2 years ago but that was the first time in 10 years. Upgrade paths don't matter on that timescale
Exactly. This whole "upgrade path" line is fear mongering. If you wait the right amount of time, you STILL save money even if you replace your entire rig.
yeah on a time scale of 10 years, thats fine, but on a 5 year timescale ( which imo is still a very reasonable time between upgrading a pc) or even three year timescale, an upgrade path seems worth it. I have a asrock b450 mobo that i bough in 2019 with a ryzen 5 1600 and rx 570 4gb and since then i have been able to go to a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 3070 and still have the ability to get a big performance upgrade while staying on AM4. And i can achieve this by buying a ryzen 7 5700x3d. Having a long upgrade path made this possible and is one of the main reasons why AM4 is beloved.
The whole it's upgradeable/you don't need a new motherboard/long socket support is AMD marketing talking. By the time the CPU needs upgrading you will want a new motherboard not for the new CPU but for everything else that has advanced. Memory, PCI-E and USB being the biggest changes that should happen during a CPU's lifespan... gen 1 AM4 motherboard did it have M.2 when you bought it or was that one the top end and only 1 slot? It is PCI-E gen 3. Upgrading a Gen 1 Ryzen you would still upgrade the motherboard and RAM even though the CPU will work after a BIOS update if you are lucky and the motherboard has a new bios for such an old board. A good lifespan/upgrade cycle rule of thumb is to upgrade the GPU every other generation and consider the CPU on the second upgrade cycle of the GPU, that's ~8 years. 8 years ago M.2 didn't exist, 8 years from today and maybe better storage will exist but for sure memory, USB, and PCI-E will have advanced so a new motherboard should be a part of the build even if the socket is still AM5 and that's what you have.
Once the restrictions of the "new" system are removed, if you can somehow buy a B650 motherboard and get its BIOS updated to support the 9000 series, you'd take off a huge chunk of the budget and invest that to a better GPU, a better case, a better PSU, etc.
I just built a B650 system, that does support up to a 9950X, it's the ASRock B650M PG Lightning Wifi. Highly budget but the only real downfall would be VRM and PCI-E 4.0, but one of the M.2 slots is indeed PCI-E 5.0 which is a nice bonus. I personally for now coming from an FX-8370 went with a Ryzen 5 8600G and already it's a massive improvement, and seems to benchmark closely with an i9 11th gen, to me that's not bad honestly since I don't crave latest and greatest like I used to. The upside is I went with socket AM5 to futureproof to an extent, and the mainboard does handle 48GB DIMMs, so I have up to 192GB RAM capability. To me this isn't a bad built considering it was downright a budget build. The main hiccup I have with the 8600G choice right now, is my 1080 Ti (taken from the FX machine it replaced to save on cash), is only running in x8 at PCI-E 3.0 speeds, but considering the FX pushed it at 2.0 x16 speeds, sure that works for now. A better CPU will gain me that x16 later, perhaps when I do upgrade the GPU (both will be upgraded at the same time).
All in all, yes a B650 isn't entirely bad for a budget build if you get a motherboard getting proper BIOS updates. My new build which consisted of the case, CPU, motherboard and 32GB of 2x 16GB DDR5 RAM, was around $400, with the PSU, GPU and SSD's harvested from the FX machine.
As for why I chose an APU, because the 1080 Ti is getting a little old at 7yrs old now, any bit of assistance helps if it means taking the load off of it, so using Hybrid graphics in reverse (monitor on the 1080 Ti, but delegating the low power apps to the iGPU instead in Windows manually since Auto will use the 1080 Ti even if it claims 760M), it helps with the micro stuttering quite a bit, especially if I want to have RUclips up in a PiP over the game itself, as the iGPU will handle the PiP, while the 1080 Ti focuses on the game itself. This surprisingly has gone a long way.
the most important part ist the GPU. 9600x vs 5700x3D and then its like on par, some games are better for 9600x and some for 5700x3D. But here is the hack. You take the weaker Ryzen 5 7500F. Then you can buy the same GPU. This would have been a much better build for "new mid", even though its a little worse than "old", but you have an AM5, that you can easily upgrade in the future.
@@rilokiley3731 Yeah except the 7500F isn't new, which was the entire premise of the video.
@@beirchin overall video bad timing :)
imagine if 5800x3d was still on sale :) and then compare to 7600x or smth.
I just finished building an "old but gold - older but gold''er?" system for a good friend's son.
Since this is his first one, I had to get ALL the stuff, but was limited to 500 "European freedom units".
The result is a weird Frankenstein, containing new and used parts .. but it's alive...! 😅
- Lenovo M720t with i5-9400
- 32GB RAM (upgraded from 4GB)
- Geforce 1080 FE
- 350W TFX PSU (the included one was way too weak)
- 250GB NVME + 1TB SATA SSD
- 3 new fans for better heat dissipation (and noise reduction)
- Full RGB (yeah, it makes you play better 😂 ) Mouse and Keyboard from Corsair
- acer FullHD monitor (60Hz only)
It runs Win11, can play casual and newer games .. what else do you need.
Limit "slightly" busted, and the keyboard I got was basically broken (it was for free, so whatever). However, I upgraded him to a brand new one without charging.
All for about 520 € material only.
Oh, and I had to modify the case to make everything fit .. but as said: Franky is alive!! 😂
bro summoned Frankenstein for $500
Legend.
Wow, kind of curious why bumping up to 32GB RAM
that's quite a lot
the 10 series without any frame generation will really hurt in some game thoughts, just like it showed in the video, sometimes it's playable vs unplayable
@@chrisdt2297 the RAM question is quite easy to answer: because I was able to. someone sold a 4x8GB kit for 50€ .. so why should I say no?
Also it is a little more future proof. Well, as proof as this can be.
The intro animation and music takes me back to 2017😊
When I built my new PC, I was upgrading from a system that was 8-9 years into service, with the only upgrade being a "new" GTX 1660 and some more DDR3 ram. It was pretty good for what it was.
For the new build, I went all next gen, bar the GPU because the 40 series just released at the time, and I managed to scoop up a 3080 for cheaper than a 2080. I wanted to try and future proof it and, hopefully, get another 8-9 years out of the new system. Which should be far easier than it was back then.
I do mostly game dev stuff and gaming, and it's performed incredibly well for me. It's an investment, and I hope to not have to upgrade it any time soon.
Hell yeah, are you on AM5 now?
@@johnreeves1257 I am, yes.
@pixels_per_minute solid, same. Hoping the X3D chips get a bit cheaper over the coming months. If so I might grab a 7800X3D but I just can't justify $450-500 for a CPU lol
@@johnreeves1257 That's fair. I kinda just bit the bullet and got a 7950x.
It was expensive, like 800 AUD, but it runs great, and I haven't had any issues so far. I knew it ran hotter than most CPUs going in, so I made sure to pick up a good water cooler and thermal paste as well.
Other than that, I've got 2x32 GBs of DDR5 ram, an RTX 3080, and 6.5 TBs of storage. However, I may need more.
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@@Noah321... MVP
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Add the strat timestamp too
@@Noah321... Is it actually q good motherboard tho? I am looking for a new one?
Robot linus at 4:20 nice
Yeah its pretty noticable hey
There was no point in them doing that! They would save more time using Linus' voice than trying to clone it using AI
@@undercatviperyeah but it caught me off guard + funny number
Also 5:03...
If they're starting to do corrections with that in post rather than annotations, then it's still an improvement.
I love these type of videos. I'm currently pricing up my second pc build in 20 years 😅
i dont think theres one out there, but id love to see a 'How to buy a PC" episode kinda like the how to build a PC video. super long dumbed down and just plain informative for all the people that know its cheaper to build your own but dont really know how to start and where to look
How to build a PC has that in it. -LS
Amazon, Best Buy
11:54 Correction to the video thing. The game cutscenes are 99% of fully in game cutscenes. Only 1 or 2 in the whole game are actual pre-rendered videos and the game has like 12 hours of cutscenes in. The cutscenes are capped to 60fps, but with a simple drop in mod, you can unlock that as well.
With my 7800x3D and 3080 i still had to play the game (with high settings tho) with DLSS with performance mode to get that 80+ fps and still some places dropped to 60.
12:14 Hardware list
Let's be real, DDR5 probably won't matter for consumer desktops until late 2020s, if then, and PCIe 5.0 definitely won't benefit consumers until after 2030. I mean, the 4090 JUST broke the PCIe 3.0 x16 bandwidth cap. That means unless we go back to something like SLi, where we're breaking up a single PCIe 5.0 x16 lane into two x8 lanes for dual GPUs, it really won't matter. And frankly, we're already seeing that THAT is major goal with consumer desktop SSDs, splitting up high end PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 x4 lanes into dual x2 lanes so we can have more SSDs with essentially the same usable bandwidth for consumer tasks.
Granted I'm not super in the know about DDR5, and while I'm more than happy to see new tech, so far I'm not jumping to replace my AM4 platform anytime soon. Frankly, besides maybe upgrading the CPU (since AMD seems to be releasing more AM4 CPUs?) and the GPU (thinking of upgrading to either the 5090-ish series or the 6090-ish series from my rtx 3090 ftw3 ultra), and then likely a PSU upgrade if needed, I don't even really see the worth in upgrading from my motherboard or RAM situation. Yes, I could try to track down super well binned, ultra fast DDR4 and track down an even better board and OC it, but that'd probably cost me like a grand on old parts...
I could be totally off, but DDR5, PCIe 5.0, all that stuff seems far more important in the server and workstation market as of now, and besides synthetic benchmarks, I just can't imagine what benefit to even high end gaming either really has as of yet.
The problem is that gaming is not everything DDR5 plays a huge role in workload and there are tons of applications that benefits from that and better CPU architecture and numbers of cores.
false, DDR5 matters now, it depends on game and resolution/refreshrate. If you want to stay 1080p or 1440 with 120htz then yeah won't matter until late 2020s but a 2k with 240htz or something massive like that would need ddr5 to access all that info
@@Tyler-nh6op true, but that probably isn't a $1k build either.
@@lir4e fair, but considering the benchmarks presented, gaming is obviously the focus of the video.
I'm still rocking a B450 and R5 2600 from 2019. Only swapped out my GPU a few years ago because of some hardware issues. I still have drives from 2014 as well.
lol same. 1660 super with that same hardware. Haven't needed to upgrade. (Yet)
My SSD from 2010 is in an external USB enclosure and my PSU from 2011 is powering my home server. Does that count?
Ha same, except I'm still rocking a 2070 Super I bought around the same time. My SSD is also more recent as it's a NVMe SSD. My displays are laughably old though, the youngest display I own is an Element LCD TV from 2012. 💀
Yeah, you can get a pretty hefty update for 70$ by getting a 5600 or 150$ with a 5700x3d without having to upgrade a bunch at once too
@@Timmycoo My first pc was a ryzen 3600x with 1660 super, still good for 1080p gaming. Upgraded to a ryzen 7 7800x3d and 4080 super now I play everything in 4k at 100+ fps. Could never go back. I will just be building a new high end PC every 6 years or so now. Good until 2030 for now.
Weird choice for the new pc motherboard imo, wasn't there something cheaper for am5?
Not from this generation , b850 isn't out but if you are willing to go last gen (You should do that) You can get a cheap b650e or even b650 , this isn't new vs used , this is current gen vs older gens .
Why is Linus denying a kiss from Linus.
I mean he's technically in his own marriage so it'd be morally ethical right
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@@MasterCraft_48 "morally ethical"
Tautology.
I built a $600 PC recently, AMD 5600, 16GB ram, rtx 3070. I havent seen a better bang for buck yet. Even 3080 is twice the price for 50% more performance.
I still have a 6700k and a 1080ti. Considering I spend so much of my time playing snes games, it's still complete overkill for my needs.
its ok to play ps4 games too
@@aBetoneiraCromada Once you go 144fps anything below 120fps feels terrible honestly.
@jeanytpremium I can still get down with 60fps on certain types of games (jrpgs, some adventure games, and old stuff). But for anything with a lot of movement (fps and such), the high fps is preeeety key.
@@QuestForTacos 60 feels like 30 to me so more power to ya
The motherboard choice was pretty weird tbh. Cutting there and maybe finding some good deals, you could probably find a way to squeeze a 7700xt for the "new pc" and it would've been way more of a competition.
Yeah but with a lower tier mobo you loose the upgrade potential
@adrianosiciliano they could have just got a x670 or b650 chipset and still upgraded to zen 6 when it comes out or a zen 5 x3d chip
Didn't need to spend $280 on the CPU either, they could have spent about $200 on a 7600x
The exercise was to buy the latest and show the premium that comes with. -LS
@TheStatisticalPizza I agree but I think they were going for the "newest" parts for the sake of the video
*...So the older machine has a current gen mid range GPU?*
Finally, someone with some sense lol. I loved a lot of the series they're bringing back. Onimusha (3) was one of the first times an actor (Jean Reno) was in a video game.
I spent around 400-500 USD (depending on the conversion rate) and a month ago I went from a decade-old i5-4690K, DDR3 PC to one with a R7 7700 (that's already been boosted to 7700X level), 16GB 6000MHz DDR5, an AM5 mobo, an 500GB M.2 gen 4 SSD and a new Fractal case with RGB. All of those purchases (except mobo) were deals cobbled together from outlets, used parts and sales (I got directly inspired to do all of this because of the latest Scrapyard Wars). From the old PC I transferred over an aftermarket CPU cooler (that was letting me keep my i5 at a stable 4.5GHz and also meant I could get a deal on a new CPU with no cooler included), HDDs/SSDs, a case fan, PSU (80+ gold XFX 650W that's been going for years with absolutely zero issues) and an RTX 2070 which I got dirt cheap when my cousin upgraded his PC.
Considering my usage and requirements this will keep me going probably another 10 years and even if I decide to upgrade earlier the AM5 board means I can just buy a new CPU without replacing anything else. The 2070 Super is a beast and is more than enough for my 1080p 75hz needs. Not to mention my PC in both it's forms also did/does productivity, video editing, music production and so much more besides gaming that they easily payed/are paying for themselves. Also it's not like the 4th gen i5 PC was unusable and I was forced to upgrade, it still handled modern workloads relatively well, I was regularly playing games like Stellaris, CS2, MW2019, BF V, Assetto Corsa smoothly and did video editing in Premiere and music production in Ableton 12. During it's tenure the i5 saw 3 different GPUs (R9 280X, 1060TI, 2070 Super) and only really started to be a serious bottleneck on the last one, it also only got a cooling upgrade in the past year, which means it's been overclocked to 4.0GHz on the stock cooler for around 8 years with zero complaints or issues. Absolute beast of a CPU. They don't make 'em like they used to.
Not to brag but how's this for making the most of your purchase and being frugal?
The patient gamer's life is the comfy life isn't mate?
I'm on a 4690k
gtx 1070
32gb ram
1tb m2 for games
Old 60gb ssd foe windows
And you aren't wrong about that cpu mate , been happily gaming on it for 8 years and now looking to upgrade to a new system as I want better visuals and high fps nowadays
I did the same. I upgraded my PC from I7 7700k to AMD R7 7700x because of the discounts I could get. I do not want the newest new, because I use my PC with Debian stable (it takes time for the drivers to get to Debian stable).
My old gaming pc (that I will be upgrading soon) has an overclocked water cooled i5 4690k at 4.5ghz. And the MSI 970 Gaming GPU haha, played RDR2 just fine on good graphics settings. Those old cpu's were beasts at stable 4.5ghz
People look at PC specs > game-required specs. As long as your hardware survives the journey, 5-plus-year-old hardware is good enough for Rocket League, WoW, Valheim, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Baulders Gate and many modern games. If you want modern AAA games, maybe less so, but that is only a requirement IF you want to play them at all. Personally, the only reason I upgraded my 2015 PC build's GPU from a 970 to a used 3060ti was so I could couch co-op with my wife and play Elden Ring with a bit more detail.
Agreed, the best games often have the lowest requirements. I have an RTX 3060 laptop and use it to play TF2 and Factorio
Exactly. The only reason to upgrade is for technical requirements.
still have a 2nd gen ryzen with a 1060 that's useable with most of the games i play. the only reason im thinking about building a newish system is so i can give this system to my dad.
If you dont need 4K and you are on budget and have/buy nice 1080p 60Hz screen you dont need much even for AAA games. Its all about preferences. If you need highest details on 4K, then you have to spend a lot of money.
It all depends on how much money u earn. The people saying they're "fine" and "chilling with my wife playing elden ring" have never played on a 4k 240hz oled monitor with HDR, maxing out games and getting 200+ fps with a 4090 (with frame gen for demanding games). Its just a completely new world of gaming. If ure used to 1080p 60 fps, u'll never know the glory. But ofc, good things cost money. U gonna have to cough up at least like 2k to experience that. U dont need a 4090, a 4070 super can do the job on a budget. U also dont need oled or 240hz, there are some great 4k 144hz monitor for like 400-450 bucks. And the acer nitro mini-led for about 650 bucks. Still, around 2k on the lower end. Then as u get more money, u upgrade to a 1k+ monitor and 1.6k+ gpu, with bigger psu, bigger case and 4tb ssds, eventually reaching watercooled 4090 for a total cost of 5-6k. Past 6-7k theres nothing u can buy thats worth the money.
Edit: i was wrong, u can buy high end 9.2.4 speaker setups that cost tens of thousands, with speakers all around u, hanging in the air etc. Still, the benefits of any speaker setup past 5.1 or 7.1 diminishes greatly, at least for gaming, and those can be had for a few thousand bucks. Now if u wanna make a home theater setup, u can spend hundreds of thousands on a good one.
5:03 Sounds a bit like AI? Like Linus meant to say something different, and instead of rerecording they put it into a voice AI thing?
Just bought Cyberpc I5 3600, Radon RX 7600, 16g ram, 850+ power supply, 1tb ssd, For $600 at walmart (advertised for $799). Upgraded to 48g ram (DDR5) for $115 (added 32g) at best buy. Looking into upgrading the CPU to another AM4 chip. Runs great so far, UNDER $1000 ! ! ! Oh, and came with windows.
1:58, it says Ryzen 5 9600X. What do you mean AMD doesn't do new Ryzen 5s?
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he meant ryzen 5000, but I think AMD does have some new am4 CPU's they will release next generation
It means that David wrote the script and Linus is the eye candy.....
David is known to be more of a old school games connoisseur and with him having recently had to sell off half of his prized gaming collections, I think he fumbled the script a bit. I am not sure what he meant by AMD no longer provides Ryzen 3 or 5 cpus? Maybe he means that the availability was difficult to source. I am not sure.
I think he just made a mistake.
@@TruthDoesNotExist bro what are you talking about
A month ago, I built a system for $1015 with a Ryzen 7 5700X, RX 6800, B500 gigabyte board, 32gb DDR4 3600, and a 750w PSU with a Zalman case. Its a pretty banger setup and has handled everything Ive thrown at it, especially since my monitor is 1080p
i just upgraded too, AMD 7950X3D, ASUS B650-A ROG Strix, Zotac NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity, DeepCool AK620, T-FORCE DELTA RGB 32GB, ASUS TUF Gaming 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold - fully capable for 4k, i always game at 1080p high refresh rate no overclocking. always a joy to game.
@@katsumi_neko_ if its for gaming, then you could have really balanced it better with 5600 and RTX 4070 within the same budget
@@critiedo you use this for any professional work that requires this many cores? Otherwise getting cheaper CPU and motherboard with better GPU would be a much better choice for gaming
@@coden4tv617 I didnt want an Nvidia GPU for Linux compatibility, and iirc its slightly faster than the 4070 in raw performance. Plus the two extra cores is nice, I do heavy multitasking across numerous screens.
In the past there used to be some difference between AMD and NVIDIA in contrast and colors in games and sharpness on desktop. You can find all kinds of old forum threads about it. At 13:26 it looks like this may still be true. Maybe an investigation topic for a new video?
I was noticing that too, and honestly it seems the new gen system color is more vibrant..?
I'm definitely in the "old but gold" camp. Currently rocking a Ryzen 3700X and RTX 2060 that were already previous gen when I built my rig (and I was even considering the venerable 1000 series, likely a 1070 or 1080). That rig is still going strong both for gaming and software like Blender and SolidWorks. My main bottleneck is that my monitor "only" runs at 1080p 60hz; not cutting edge anymore but still a perfectly fine standard. My library isn't the most demanding (except maybe Flight Sim 2020) but I have yet to play a game I can't get to maintain a stable 60 fps with good visuals (usually high or high-medium settings)
The AI voiceovers are incredibly jarring, they're not ready for primetime just yet
@@cianmawhinney6448 the ai voice stuff was very strange
What AI voiceovers 😳
Its really not jarring at all though.
@@AbcDef-xs8xi I watch on 2x speed. I can't tell difference
Not sure if that's AI, maybe just recorded afterwards on a different mic
With these two builds being explained in parallel, it'd be really nice to have an "old"/"new" or "system A"/"system B" visual indicator
no they should have done "mid tier new" and "old but gold"........wait
4:20 wow that voice over sounded weird. I guess That was a brief snipet of AI voice?
Edit: And 5:03?
Personally i would prefer a real voice, even if its just an editor, but I can understand if some might prefer the AI.
Oh ok so I'm not losing my mind. It does in fact sound like AI. I don't mind it if it's for short corrections but it definitely sounds off
I love the return of the intro. Thank you!!
Did they just use TTS to fill a gap ? and made a wrong statement about AMD "AMD doesn't release Ryzen 3 and 5 parts anymore" even though they are using a Ryzen 5 9600X in this video ? come on LTT
@TechMeldOfficial he referred to the 9600x as ryzen 7 in this video and a previous one. Which left me confused because from what I know, they are ryzen 5 instead. Right?
@@morrisshaye6994 yes, here is a simple explanation to not get confused anymore: 400 or lower in the SKU number is for Ryzen 3, 500 and 600 is for Ryzen 5, 700 and 800 is for Ryzen 7 and 900 and 950 is for Ryzen 9
Thumbnail is really romantic, Linus Sex tips took "love thyself" literally
💀
It's a reference of a commercial
☠️☠️☠️💀
8:07 why david looks huuuuuge in this frame ?????????
DADDY DAVID YUMMM!
because he is 😉
Because Linus is very smol
Steroids in the new office chairs
This is a fun concept but I won't bother watching because the most sensical is to just look at a price-performance chart based on your local available stock when you're building up your list parts to order. Other considerations are that second-hand prices allow potentially better parts at the risk of wear and tear and loss of warranty
Ive got a 5700x3d w/ a Peerless Assassin, RX6800, 2x 16GB sticks 3200MHz ram, Samsung 980 pro 2TB w/ heatsink ( snagged it almost 2 years ago new on sale for $93, hell of a deal), MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk Max WiFi, and an 850W Corsair 80+Gold PSU.
I built it like 1.5 years ago, minus the 5700x3d ( i got that on sale for $181 this year, and I wanted to try and x3d chip).
It kicks ass at 1440p
Goated build. I have an extremely similar one, 5800x3d, rx6750xt, same RAM. These will last us years.
Nice, mine that is almost exactly the same except I have a 6800 XT that got on sale last year. Crazy to me to think I upgraded to a 3 now almost 4 year old card that still is more than enough for 1440p for me.
try tarkov,, then say that
@@gazehound 5800x3d rx6800xt and 32gb ram, and its been hobbled together over the years. The mobo is from 5 or 6 years ago. The AM3 was a GOAT of architecture for CPUs.
@@fearfulSPARTAN the Difference between the 6800xt and 6800 / 6750xt is Huge, belive me it is huge.
At 4:55 is that AI Linus correcting the sinkhole vuln not supporting 3000 series chips?
With the upgradability, you have to consider too that the GPU in the older system is far better and will likely last much longer. That should make up for the fact that you gotta replace your Mobo and RAM later. Additionally, AM5 and DDR5 will also get cheaper in the future (albeit not by as much as recently) so this older system may end up only losing you a few bucks over time, if it loses any at all.
Looking at its current performance, I think that AM4 build could ride someone out to AM6 before needing to upgrade.
It's the better build.
@@vista9434 exactly. And you could 1080 that PC with the 7800xt for a good while.
I don’t play newer games all that often though, mostly racing and Minecraft so I’m not the ideal example.
@@vista9434 I just upgraded from a 3600X to a 5700X3D; I definitely won't be upgrading until AM6 at the earliest.
The year is 2029. The world teeters on the brink, and hope is a distant memory. AMD announces a new CPU for the AM4 socket.
Yeah they should also make some possible upgrades to each of those systems - like buying current used parts in few years for 50% of its price. I wonder which would come up cheaper, then add some graphs with FPS. It would have been nice. With older system it would be mobo/cpu/ram, but with new system it would be CPU and GPU which could be even cheaper. I know I know that you dont buy what a promise of what will you do in next 5years. But many ppl do that, including myself... Sadly win11 requirements forced me to throw out perfectly fine i7-7700k :(
What’s not discussed is the upgrade path which has lead me to a near exact match of your old system with the cost spread over many years. I’m still very happy with it.
what is with the low level annoying bee buzzing all over in the background like at @3:56?
8:45 give us the numbers
Just THIS YEAR, I helped my grandson build a gaming rig for under $500!! WE started with a used computer that already had a case and a decent power supply! We THEN upgraded the motherboard, and added a graphics card, CPU, RAM and LED lights plus a spare hard drive I had kicking around!! He was STUNNED that a computer, desktop, could be built so cheaply!!!
Just built one of my first systems. Half used half new, 5700x3d was where i ended up. I tried getting a 7600xt but it had savage coil whine i couldnt deal with, sent it back and got a 4060ti fe for a few more bucks because i like how they look. Way better performance and it is WAY quieter. It fits my requirements fully and after my case i spent around 1100 cad
5:16 AMD is still selling zen2 as brand new with 7000 naming they better fix those security flaw.
My friend has a mini pc, its an asrock a520i, amd 5600gt, adata xpg 3200mhz cl16 16gb x 2, zotac rtx4060 with a 600 watt enhance platinum psu.
runs cyberpunk 2077, 1080p raytracing high with frame gen, 90-120fps
build budget: $900
Pcie: Gen 3
hey LMG I'm a bit confused at 4:25. Is the motherboard good on sale for 100$ or 90$...?
My most recent build is a mix of both. New case, new ram, new cpu, new psu. Used mobo, used gpu.
I wanted to buy a used case and used psu, but the ones I wanted weren’t readily available. My build was around $1200 on AM5. I’m very happy with the performance. I will likely upgrade in 7-10 years with a used CPU and GPU.
I anticipate that being the last DIY PC build I’ll make as mini PCs and SOC devices are making significant strides.
5:03 AI Linus?
NVIDIA Framegeneration causes some pretty horrible ghosting in SOME games.
And in some games it completely fails making performance worse :|
What games? I haven't personally experienced any issues that haven't already been fixed by updating the frame gen DLL or waiting for the developer to do it. Meanwhile, FSR Frame Gen has ghosting and fizzling in every game its in.
The worst part about Frame generation by far, is that you are still interacting with the mouse on the screen at the framerate that you get without frame gen. So, basically say you have frame gen off, and you get 30 fps; if you turn frame gen on, and you get 60 fps, you will have what feels like 30 frames of latency between when you act, and what you actually see on screen. It's a huge scam, you are basically feeling the 30 fps, while SEEING the 60 fps with strange graphical anomalies.
@@brando3342 ure supposed to get at least 60 fps base before turning on frame gen, ure using the technology improperly
@@kerkertrandov459 Okay, two things.
First: If you’re already getting 60 fps prior to frame gen, why would you even care to turn it on?
Second: Even if you are getting 60 fps once you turn it on, and get 100 fps, you’re still only feeling 60 fps. The problem doesn’t cap out at 60 fps. It’s entirely relative.
Since this is the case, why in the heck would anyone who actually wants higher than 60 fps, want to be restricted to having the tactile feeling of 60 fps in the first place?
That makes absolutely ZERO sense. Your logic, it doesn’t make any sense at all.
1:48 the 9600x is literally a ryzen 5….
Love this kind of content where you "open consumer's eyes" Keep up LMG!
my friends KEEP fucking saying they cant afford a PC and buy console slop year after year. I point them to used parts and they go full "Patrick Star Orb Of Confusion" mode.
You should ask them how many consoles they've bought in the past 2-3 years alongside the other stuff like controllers/games/services and maybe itemize them all then compare it to a used system today!
@@superhotwasabi1044I think typically you only buy a PlayStation or Xbox. You don’t need to buy both and the controller kinda goes for PC as well. If you want to play a console single player it comes with a controller.
I’d say the biggest savings on PC are the sales on digital PC games vs digital console games and that it can be used for work/school related items as well
@quatjohn4375 Usually a console generation or new version would take that long to come out, plus the 2-3 years is also applying to games and other stuff, not just the console
@@superhotwasabi1044 Xbox 360 was 2005 to 2013 and Xbox one was 2013 to 2020. I think typically 5 years per generation is expected but recently it’s been longer.
@quatjohn4375 Xbox One, 2013. Xbox One S, 3016. Xbox One X, 2017
PS4, 2013. PS4 Slim, 2016. PS4 Pro, 2016
different models with better specs than the previous releasing within a fairly short period in between
When Monster Hunter Wilds is almost here or even shortly after it releases, I'd like to see a build guide comparison of budget vs performance made to run it. Currently the specs required for such mediocre quality settings has made a LOT of people concerned lately. Hoping to see what kind(s) of part combinations work with the varying levels of success people may want/need for it.
Was that motherboard voiceover @4:19 AI?
@@hydrobud89 my immediate thought too
Noticed that too. Newscaster Riley would have been preferable to Uncanny Linus
5:00 The Sinkclose backtrack think has an AI insert too
Yes I heard that too and was about to comment. Now we see a use for an AI Linus as discussed on WAN.
I had recently gotten the ryzen 7 5700x3d from a 2700x and im happy to see it included in the video 😁
5:05 Are those just out of sync voiceovers I hear, or is that an AI Linus filling in adjustments or gaps that IRL Linus couldn’t do? 😂
I just spent about $2200 on a new build (excluding mouse, keyboard, monitor, and speakers which I already had).
Upgraded from an Intel 4th gen (2013/2014) to a Ryzen 9000 series (2024).
NO RAGRETZ
10 year jump is insane
@@gazehound lol honestly it's still working fine, but I wanted better graphics and figured I should just upgrade everything now.
Made similar jump in 2023. 13700k with 4070ti. I really love when you can feel how much better it is in every single game or even loading crap in windows.
1:49 WTF is Linus saying about AMD not doing Ryzen 5 and where did he get Ryzen 7 9600X from? It is Ryzen 5 9600X, isn't it? Even on processor in this shot it is labeled Ryzen 5 not Ryzen 7.
EDITED after finishing watching:
The general Idea of video is pretty interesting especially since usually you suggest to buy used, when on low budget, but a lot of people do not like that (do not have good second market in their area or just want to have warranty).
Edited even late:
Now there is a pinned comment from LTT about that mistake
You are way too sensitive about this, do you work for AMD?
Great video! Makes me even more happy with my decision to pick up a build that has a 5800x3d and 6700xt in it. I was a little worried that my $700 investment might have been a bit foolhardy, however I've been overall Thrilled with it thus far...and seeing this just reinforces that I made the right choice. I can still upgrade the gpu later if I find a need..but so far nothing I play requires it. The 6700xt is a beast of a card and the cpu has been exactly the monster I'd hoped!
6:19 They see me holdin', they waitin'
I might be wrong but it feels like getting the (somewhat) latest for laptops does make more sense than a desktop, especially if you’re looking at efficiency gains that will directly affect battery life.
A good thin and light is amazing if u have a use case for it. Definitely go for a new or at the least a refurb current gen. For desktops and phones I find last or even 2 gen old flagships is the sweet spot.
Ballsy for a 500 usd motherboard and a 3k usd laser projector for sponsoring a video about not wasting your money on the latest shiny new thing
Upgraded mine after waiting about 8 years, couldn't be happier.
AI Linus isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
Meanwhile, AI Linus: 5:03
Not dumb when Alienware just has r16 i7 1400k 4070 ti super 32 gigs ddr5 1000wat plat etc for 1399.00 is a insane steal u can't build for that
Well, im not shure about the R16, but anything alienware is pretty trash in the past. Watch Gamer Nexus review of it.
@@MAINTAKECOMPUTERS my aw3423dw is solid
Plus loads of bloatware, nonstandard case and shitty motherboard and powersupply, probably!
And bo upgradability, meaning if one part becomes outdated, the whole machine turns e-waste
Can you send me the link
@@namegoeshere197 Alienware/Dell monitors are great, prebuilt pcs not so much
I'm still rocking a Ryzen 5 3600, what a little beast this chip is!
@@Rozzachu w
Salem Techsperts went in ham touching up on this! I think would be great if you guys collaborated!