@@Just-a-human-being-d2tof course, it's all a question of your performance needs and whether you'd rather experiment with ARM. I'm fact I'd recommend x64 machines like Intel or AMD unless you REALLY want to tinker with Windows in ARM explicitly or have very light computing needs (like mostly just using web browsers for example).
I think some of macbook advantages are from integrated design, which Microsoft and especially its partners have trouble replicating. For example, I bet that even the displays on macbooks have higher-than-average-efficiency LEDs. You can do that when your product line is limited so you have very high LCD volumes. The MacBooks skimp on memory and that saves A LOT of power. But as a result, they go to extreme lengths to un-do the RAM shortages and provide enough memory (like virtual memory and in-memory compressed virtual memory) to try to un-do the losses from skimping on RAM. Most importantly, Macs just don't have power profiles. They are efficient ALL the time, not when you shift gears into low-power mode, and that REALLY MATTERS A LOT. Overall, it seems the ex-server chips from Nuvia that Qualcomm is using for its snapdragon products are not nearly as power-efficient as Mac in-house-designed M1-M4 chips, probably 10-15% less efficient. So the snapdragons are 10-15% more efficient than x86, but 10-15% less efficient than ARM. And the snapdragons have EXCELLENT low-power video decoding so video playback is almost 3x longer than x86 machines.
@@systemBuilder Skimping on memory definitely does NOT save power as it has to compensate by constantly compressing data and swapping to and from SSD. All of that obviously consumes more so it wastes power if anything.
@@yurymleh you really don't have a clue do you? They run virtual memory and it only gets used when you switch between applications, or if both applications happen to be writing to the screen at the same time, which is rare. This is power draw only once every several minutes. The overhead of compression or flash-based paging systems pales in comparison to the constant power draw and DRAM refresh current needed for a second bank of RAM!
@@systemBuilder If that were true MBA with 16 and 24GB would have worse battery life times than MBA with 8GB which they don't. So who is clueless again?
It’s so nice to see reviews that don’t just go into what a content creator uses. I’d imagine far more workers are using virtual desktop interfaces to access applications than use video editing software
@@64bitmodels66 There are many major companies running most of their applications on some sort of a VDI, especially in heavily regulated industries. In my previous company alone there are more people using a VDI than professional video editors in the USA according to the BLS. Not having something like Citrix running smoothly can be a massive deal breaker when purchasing a laptop.
Im so glad im watching this video before i do one of those moments where i buy something and somehow theres a video that says why the product in question isnt effective.
Just feels like a chromebook as of now. Maybe that will change when more apps become avail, but can't see any reason to buy this when thin and light laptops already exist with good battery life.
It also seems like they're dipping their toes in ARM bit don't want to take a foot out of x86. They're gonna walk down the middle of the road until they are squished like a grape and forced to make a choice and lean hard into it.
Your experience with the Samsung Book4 Edge is strange. I wonder if your first one was simply a dud. There's always a percentage of a product that slip through QA and fail, sadly. It's also interesting to me that you've heard fan noise on yours. If it was the 16, I can't comment (though I realize it's a higher binned processor capable of higher clocks than the 14 inch) but on the 14 I've yet to hear the fans come on. Also, one very important benefit: sleep actually works properly. I can close the lid and not worry about it waking itself and turning it on the next morning will only see it loose 2-5% battery.
This is the most in depth overview of the Snapdragon laptops I've seen since launch. Thank you for this! As an architect, I am a little more confident with these devices but usability would be better if these mature more next year.
I would guess this is mostly about adapting software for this processor type. Overall, I do think snapdragon laptops are probably best for most people. After all, it gives lower temps and longer battery life. Most people just need their laptop for editing documents, or using some web app or relatively lightweight business related app. I do hope they actually bring out low cost pc's exactly for this case. It would transform laptops businesses could use and you can recommend to relatives and friends that just need basic laptop. Pretty sure these are going to become mainstream laptop processors, and we are just waiting for software to catch up.
I too find the Surface Laptop to be the most compelling of the new Snapdragon lineup, and for the casual user it most likely boil down to which OS is preferred.
I'm an ex-Microsoft employee (retired) and I've not enjoyed the (other) apple-using tech journalist take on Snapdragon laptops. HOWEVER, in the case of Josh, in this video, I have to give him a big THUMBS UP! I own the Surface Laptop 7, and for my needs (casual + light software dev) it is lifechanging, but it might not work for others, depending on what their use cases are. Josh did a great job on this review! I hope that things improve over time, as they did with Apple Silicon (M1), but as of right now, Josh's take is spot on. Great job, Josh and team!
@@MichaelGGarry Uh, yeah! That's what I was pointing out at the beginning. I worked for Microsoft and still thought that his review was fair and balanced. I thought that was clear by admitting my bias and still applauding his review. I wish that he was wrong, and that the devices were perfect, but as of this date, they are not. Just as he pointed out.
Josh has been testing these laptops for 10 days. I knew that the next video would give a total review about the laptops. Turned out it isn't as great as it seemed. I'll be waiting for the Intel Lunar Lake chips. Thanks Josh, you are my fav laptop and now also business channel. I only trust your advise.
Hi. Can you tell why is so many people waiting for Lunar lake? Are they gonna make some very significant jump? I am gonna purchase a meteor lake laptop soon (confused between Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i or Ideapad pro 5), but people waiting for Lunar lake are making me nervous.
@@narutokunn uses a more advanced node from TSMC, on-package memory, low power design, next gen integrated graphics (around rtx 3050 in benchmarks). Multi threaded performance won't be anything special tho.
Thanks for the review. Much more nuance video with the target user group and respective user experience for different user cases. Did see a whole bunch x elite laptop reviews from multiple channels already. This one is not among the first wave of reviews, but is the best and most informative review so far.
It's much appreciated to see an honest evaluation of the laptops, well done! I had to laugh about the female Netflix/office and two male power users though...
It's even more funnier because I'm eyeing to purchase a snapdragon laptop for my wife for her simple browsing use-case. Whereas I am a software developer who uses docker and other development tools mentioned, so I will stick to AMD/Intel laptops for now. 😂
I'd better buy cheaper prev gen x86 laptop if it just for casual use, heck even maybe used ones. Some can last 10+ hr on battery at just half the price.
buying new computers is dumb anyway. desktops offer far more performance for the same price, and if you need a laptop, buying a used apple silicon macbook would be almost as powerful as the newest laptops, but would barely cost you money as its resell value barely drops at that point, making its usage actually much, much cheaper than any other high performance laptop. for casual use anything thats 2020 or newer will do, you could either buy a used thinkpad for 300 bucks, or a used macbook air. nobody needs to buy the newest models, its just a gigantic waste of money and the people buying those only do so because they want the feeling of getting something new, cause it makes no sense at all
People miss the point of these laptops, the majority of buyers are looking for an office suite, basics machine, that is fast, reliable and has great battery life. Your typical mom and pop or corporate giving a powerpoint presentation to off-site clients isn't going to be using Matlab. They wan't a Windows platform machine with tablet-like battery and portability in a traditional form factor. For that, the Snapdragon machines seem like a fantastic option if you have to buy now.
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 I still find it hilarious that people pay anything at all for a laptop to play games on them. Sure, maybe if you're on travel and it's all you got...
These ARM laptops are NOT a good choice for any of the 3 types of users that this vide mentions in the beginning. The RUclips addict should get a chromebook and for the other two - an Intel-based machine is a no-brainer. If these Windows-on-ARM laptops were anything close to affordable, you could argue that they are would be a good fit in some other use cases - students, bloggers, etc. But they are not. And in what universe are these more affordale than a MacBook Air?
Developers are not in a rush because Microsoft did not commit to ARM. It’s just a side project and everyone is just waiting to see how it goes, including consumers and developers. Sheer poison for sales.
Agreed. Windows won’t allow developers to code binary directly to ARM CPU. MSFT wants TurboTax, Citrix, AutoCad, & so on to go through the Windows store. Garbage move!!!
What, I think they are basically all in on arm. They haven't released a consumer intel product this year! Surface pro 10 was a business limited production with no marketing.
You can get a Asus Zenbook 14 with Core ultra 9 32gb 1tb for 900 usd nowadays, and the battery life is not much shorter than snapdragon ones, almost half the price.
I am using Surface Laptop 7 with X Elite 80-100, man I have to say its very great, I get more battery life than my Macbook Pro M1 und extremely great performance.
It looks like Jim Keller really knows how to save power. 6:01 - this scatter plot shows 4 types of processors. The yellow and blue ones did NOT have Jim Keller leading the design teams. The red and black ones DID have Jim Keller working to lead some iterations of the design teams! See the difference! I thought you would !!!!
Stop comparing them to a early 2000 PC WITH NO TOUCHSCREEN or pen support. WHO THE HELL BUYS A LAPTOP THESE DAYS WITH NO TOUCHSCREEN? My issue is Windows, not an operating system for servious work. It's crapware & vaporware. The problem isn't the hardware. IT'S THE SOFTWARE. I'VE BEEN RESETTING MY PC FOR OVER AN HOUR TO GET THAT NONFUNCTIONAL CRAPWARE OFF IT.
After seeing your videos as well as some actual QUALITY reviews that arent just influencer ads, I am definitely SKIPPING Snapdragon/Windows on Arm laptops. I can buy an OLED Intel Core Ultra 185H laptop for $800 which is 90% as good with zero issues. OR I can just wait a couple months for next gen Intel Lunar Lake and Zen 5 which are expected to be better than Snapdragon. In no world does buying a $1300 Snapdragon laptop with all its software issues make sense.
Yeah, it's good for casual user But like, there is no clear slice of cake for it If I am casual user, Says, I don't have any specific software, I want battery life, and I want to use ARM. I can always use Apple Macbook. Sure, it's not Windows, but software support is much better at this point. If I play games or have any specific software, x86 is always the choice. Windows on Arm is the 3rd branch after x86 and Apple, any software support or official release will be behind. It really is overhyped, there is no real reason to use it now or soon. Unless things changed in next 10 years, but Intel/AMD is not gonna watch and do nothing.
Okay hopefully someone will help me understand this. I don't fully understand this laptop. Is it just over hype of arm laptops because I feel like for value you can get the surface laptop with 256GB for $1900 AUD but for the same around you can get a pretty good gaming laptop or a ultra book with good hardware in it and a good graphics as well. Even for doing light task I feel like you can just get a much cheaper laptop and you will be fine. The only true positive I seen is the good battery life, apart from that it's kinda ehh compare to other laptops for the same amount. Kinda want to hear other peeps thoughts since I am plaining to buy a new laptop in the next few days.
Best professional review hands down. I guess these are over-hyped and half-booked as usual from Microsoft. Intel will probably offer similar efficiency & superior compatibility with Lunar Lake in September.
These are a solid 1st gen. Also, why are we blaming Microsoft for third party software incompatibilities. M1 had a ton of software issues as well. In exactly the same way it had to happen with Apple, the dev community needs time to catch up and create native arm applications.
@@Kyt2024 It is because this is not the first gen by Microsoft & Qualcomm. They have been releasing ARM products for years now and this generation was supposed to be similar to the M1 moment Appl had but it clearly is not.
@@A15689 it’s very similar to M1 actually. And yes Microsoft and Qualcomm have done some other work on arm over the years but the x elite is a completely new initiative. It IS first gen. Like M1 this is the first moment now today where arm builds are worthwhile to make for windows. Things will improve significantly from here to their “M2” like they did with Apple. The only major difference tbh is Qualcomm did not focus on their GPUs enough for this first gen X elite, that’s going to be moved forward in the 2nd gen according to Qualcomm.
7:35 & 11:35 *_This is the moment of revelation,_* *Snapdragon X ELITE's are more of INTEL than they are APPLE* 🍎, until they figure out how to beat APPLE 🍎 in this, they are NO better than an incremental improvement on INTEL, which is more like a continuity than a disruptive change.
ignore these first generation products...wait for 2nd generation chips Software support is not ready Chip is originally designed for servers but Qualcomm rushed it to work in mobile devices. GPU is weak they will add better GPU in next generation. As seen in benchmarks architecture is great they just need to refine it to work in lower wattage that will improve power efficiency or maybe they add efficiency cores But it's positive start for ARM for Laptops
I appreciate your attention to detail with all of these programs. But it's pretty obvious that 95% of these issues will be fixed within a few months, and at that point these laptops will indeed be great for professionals too. And because it's just the start of Windows on arm we should expect arm to get better, while amd and Intel will be behind. It's true. I think you are under hyping the progress, simply looking at initial things without seeing the big picture
Office work tasks are "professional" tasks. Perhaps what you were looking for was media creation tasks, which are important and professional, but not inherently more so than somebody who lives in desktop publishing suites or project management software.
You're correct. I didn't even realized that. I think he wanted/meant that office work tasks are low to medium in "heavyness" or "demandingness". As in, as a benchmark, they're not overly useful for determining how powerful a CPU is. Hence the need to put them in a separate category.
There are so many professions and "professional" tasks - given what you know now, how do you differentiate the varieties? Josh's approach is valid to me and not quite misleading as he explains the typical office work apps.
Seems little biased and hateful on snapdragon chips. When the M1 was introduced everybody on that bandwagon that calling the ARM was the future, even though there were a lot of compatibility issues with many applications. But most of these reviewers were appreciating (praising) battery life & benchmark results. Nobody cared about app compatibility, (8 GB so-called unified RAM) and now some company has come up with a solution for Windows so many Apple Sleeper cells were just woke up and bashing the Snapdragon X series. Yes, if you can wait for the apple solution, so wait a little for the Windows (Qualcomm's) updates. It will be improved and outperform Apple's useless (8 GB/256 GB) hardware in the price-to-performance ratio.
These are big fat expensive chromebooks rushed to market. They don't edit video or play games very well, but they do browse the web and play videos and have good displays & sound.
@wandering-jew go watch a video about arm gpus. These people can explain it better than me, but basically, the circuits around the CPU are very smushed together in a complex way for better performance.
@@luigidabro thats bs. arm is just a cpu architecture, it has nothing to do with where the graphics card is located or how it is connected. putting an integrated graphics cards into them is a choice independent of them being arm cpus.
@@maurizio835 Intel always has laptops ready on launch, unlike AMD. While youre right we wont see every laptop design ready, there will DEFINITELY be more designs in the first few weeks than Snapdragon will have all year, so people wont really have to wait.
Great review as always, though the title and thumbnail are very misleading... for example, something like the Humane AI pin is useless now, whatever updates they give, it will still not match a smartphone with ChatGPT 4o or Gemini or the latest Siri. But most of the issues in SDX devices can and will be fixed in a few months. And the video could have mentioned that, i guess it was not in Josh's intention to support Windows on ARM. so I feel the title and thumbnail are misleading.
lying that you are x86_64 even if you are aarch64 is very standard practice for almost all browsers. that's why websites won't detect you that you are using aarch64 device. this alone will confuse many casual users who just clicks download button without thinking about their cpu architecture.
Finally, a honest review of these laptops. I believe the emulation layer for snapdragon is gonna be slow or nonexistent. I doubt that native programs will be available for a long time, as most windows programmers will look at the current user base X64, and realize that its not reaaly worth it to port these to windows ARM. That is where Apple has the big advantage, their developers are all on Apple silicon. Microsoft can't have a forked version of windows for both. It's either gonna be ARM from now on if they want this to succed. This won't happen! Businesses that use windows are not gonna spend billions on chaging their whole infrustructure.
@@EibrahamCx It really has nothing to do with 4 years of optimization. The experience was already extremely polished when the first M1 laptops hit the market. For instance, all the applications Josh identified as incompatible with Snapdragon, like the audio software, worked perfectly on M1, even though many of them did not have native ARM versions at the time.
@@boshi9 exactly; Apple was way more hush-hush about the M series prior to them hitting shelves, and yet everything was so much more polished on release Most of the issues listed in this video are only from the maker's preliminary testing. That's disturbing. There must be many more teething issues he hasn't even come across yet on those machines The release feels under-baked and rushed to get to market before Apple's M4 and AMD Strix Point release
I commented in a couple other reviews that I was going to wait a while until they work the kinks out and also to see what Lunar Lake and whatever AMD has in the pipe will be like and I got some pretty negative replies, some of which weren't very nice at all. I'm still going to wait and as far as I'm concerned, the astroturfers can enjoy their fake lawns. I do like to play some games but Geekbench and Cinebench aren't on my game list. As a Steam friend once told me, "You can't win those games".
Tbh, with mobile phones this good I don't need the laptop for casual stuff at all. I even bought my home with it. For those that are not professional or don't high end excel work, do you really need one? If you feel you do for the sake of it or for the option just get a decent one for £700 as that will be medium future proof as well.
if you get a used macbook air, it might be over a thousand, but its resell demand is so high that is barely looses value by using it and it also has the highest efficiency, so this would actually be the cheapest option, cheaper and better and nicer than laptops with a lower cost of purchase. getting new tech is dumb anyway no matter what
I feel Snapdragon is sadly a lot of compromises for a not so significant advantage. For example the fact that you have to throw out gaming almost completely means that it's arguably not a complete computer. Not to mention the risk of general compatibility and translation issues. The more reviews I watch, the more interesting Intel Ultra 7 seems for a universal Windows device, with its significantly better Arc graphics.
Thank heavens for this video, just recently watched Max Tech and the clear apple bias was so bad it pisses me off, so great job on making an actually objective review
@Riyoe *"clear apple bias"* LOL clear Apple bias from Max Tech? He's generally the Apple trasher of all reviewers. If he has any praise for Apple's products he's being honest because he can't find a reason to lie. Apparently you want to hear nothing but Apple trashing to make you happy, so be honest you're simply an Apple hater because Apple silicon Macs are the best computers all around, and if it hurts you to admit that then....SMH
I guess we can wait for like a year at most until all these issues are ironed out. It was the case with the first Apple Silicon laptops as well. What Microsoft and Qualcomm have achieved is truly a marvellous step forward in Windows computers and it is certain that they will very soon fully replace x86 CPUs
We can all deduce that the problem lies in Bloatware called Windows OS. Similar work if went on optimizing Linux for Arm, I am sure that would be as performant/efficient as Macbook.
you know if and when linux works for arm, it might have better support for it compared to something like windows since there have been arm versions of the repos on linux for several years at this point
@@David-Zita nah, windows is successful because it comes from microsoft and microsoft is a huge company with lots of resources,and it came first, so most people used it, so most companies developed their apps for it because of that, and so on. apple is not a competitor cause it has a different user base, and linux is open source, so it has no resources to compete, and because it became viable much later, most professional apps are already developed for windows. most people also do not want to learn a new OS, they want to stick with what they are used to. windows is crap, it just has no real competitor given the circumstances.
So my question is…seeing as they are trying to compare it to the MacBook Air… do they have plans to make a more beefed up version that can challenge the MacBook Pro? I really want to switch over to windows full time…but there’s nothing premium at that level and quality from widows laptops. The new surface laptop looked nice…still not there though in terms of performance
@@Just_a_random_birb Both will. But the second X Elite series is something I am looking forward to as well, as this series was delayed and not supposed to launch this late lol
Lunar Lake TDP is 17W with boost up to 30W. If the Geekbench results are to be believed, the Lunar Lake processors will smash Qualcomm X Elite in efficiency which regularly goes up to 40-50W. Altogether, with a much better CPU+GPU+NPU plus better IO.
Given that no-one will buy those, application compatibility won't improve at all. No developer will spend time optimizing for this, especially since they changed the APIs for ARM, it's not as easy at just compiling for different CPU, as it was with apple's transition to ARM. I expect stuff to "improve" a bit in the next couple of months, and then just plateau. I don't expect games to be compiled for ARM, maybe even less than for macOS.
Its interesting. Windows users normally makes fun of gaming on apple computers. Any 4 years old M1 apple computer CRUSHES these new arm pcs in gaming in every possible way (what games can run and how they run)
So, if you use special professional applications, get Intel. If you play games, get AMD. If you want the best battery life, get a Mac. If you just need an laptop, all these Qualcomm models are probably more expensive than you want to spend.
I just bought one and am using it for full stack development and its great. Excited about the ARM architecture and NPU. Looking forward to doing AI development on the platform.
Excellent. Besides, Snapdragon chipsets do not run Windows Pro to the best of my knowledge. Surface Laptops with Snapdragon Elite is available only with Windows Home Edition which is a stripped down OS with no security feature and very limited networking feature.
Qualcomm and Microsoft really screwed this launch, this the first review to actually do an evaluation of how these laptops in varied scenarios. So it seems like these have marginal benefits and huge disadvantages, and backwards compatibility, windows's most defining feature, takes a hit in both hardware and software. So modern light tasks is what this seems to be design for, which means the battery life is most important aspect of this, and it seems to be a marginal advantage which is very disappointing (only standby battery drain seems to be a big advantage). I hope Qualcomm and Microsoft focus on that aspect more if they hope for this to actually be worth it.
@@BurnsRubberMajor tech companies are going to release support for Qualcomm laptops for their applications, so going forward ARM is the future of mobile computing or will compete alongside Intel, AMD, and Mac.
@@LetsGoBowlingNiko We’ll see. This transition won’t be simple or easy. Corporate IT departments would need to buy in along with all x86 software companies. The launch of these Qualcom (Nuvia) SoCs has been a disaster. They offer similar performance to current Gen Intel/AMD with substantial bugs, compatibility and performance limitations at similar prices. They might have a role for limited functionality low end laptop but won’t compete in the longterm with Intel and AMD. Competition between Intel and AMD is fierce right now.
It's not sure, it's far away in efficiency (if you compare with the oher ARM chip), so if the AMD and Intel answer will have better efficiency, why would you do all the reworks if the result even inferior like you don't do anything just stick to the newer x86 model?
Aren't these also being compared to the current/last gen Intel and AMD CPUs? We should get the next gen ones soon. The X Elite should be compared to those
It's weird that a macbook gives you like everything, which snapdragon laptops selectively gives you some pros and some cons compared to x86. i will definately buy one, because i dont like macOS and for my everyday tasks it is awesome.. i still have to edit videos sometimes and hope the support for ARM will improve. my old intel laptop doesnt work at all after many years and i think this is future-proof.. still wish it would be the same "wow" effect like with apples silicone where everything was improved compared to intel
@@Rascate81 New windows in those laptop eat upto 8 GB of ram and when MS will add more AI features it will eat more so 16 in windows full of bloatware is not enough
10:55 yes, NVidia will be much faster, but will eat your battery. NPUs are for power efficiency for very long running inference workloads, not top performance and huge workloads.
Review is spot on. I bought a surface laptop 7 after returning a MacBook Air. I use it for media consumption, misc business tasks, file management on local server shares and a lot of remote connections to other computers. I love it so far. I realized that most of the things I do are cloud based or on other servers. I don’t need a laptop that does heavy lifting. And battery life has been night and day vs other windows laptops. But it’s not a gaming pc and there’s definitely growing pains with software compatibility. I appreciate a review that can convey that without trashing what the devices are.
He may have a few women locked up in his mother’s basement against their will, but he’s arguably the best laptop reviewer on the planet! Love you, bud 👀
For me, my Surface Pro with Snapdragon Elite rocks for video editing. I'm using a 10 year old version of PowerDirector (15) and it's almost as fast to render 4k video as my i7-10700 desktop with Radeon RX550 GPU (9 minutes for a 5m41s video).
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Can i buy Ultra 9 185H processor laptop instead of Snapdragon X?
I'd love to help you make a comparison of more of these awesome Snapdragon PCs.
@@Just-a-human-being-d2tof course, it's all a question of your performance needs and whether you'd rather experiment with ARM.
I'm fact I'd recommend x64 machines like Intel or AMD unless you REALLY want to tinker with Windows in ARM explicitly or have very light computing needs (like mostly just using web browsers for example).
Surface Laptop 7 is so good
X86 is better
Amazing to finally have a reviewer with consistent focus on software development workloads across multiple devices.
Also Alex Ziskind
I think some of macbook advantages are from integrated design, which Microsoft and especially its partners have trouble replicating. For example, I bet that even the displays on macbooks have higher-than-average-efficiency LEDs. You can do that when your product line is limited so you have very high LCD volumes. The MacBooks skimp on memory and that saves A LOT of power. But as a result, they go to extreme lengths to un-do the RAM shortages and provide enough memory (like virtual memory and in-memory compressed virtual memory) to try to un-do the losses from skimping on RAM. Most importantly, Macs just don't have power profiles. They are efficient ALL the time, not when you shift gears into low-power mode, and that REALLY MATTERS A LOT. Overall, it seems the ex-server chips from Nuvia that Qualcomm is using for its snapdragon products are not nearly as power-efficient as Mac in-house-designed M1-M4 chips, probably 10-15% less efficient. So the snapdragons are 10-15% more efficient than x86, but 10-15% less efficient than ARM. And the snapdragons have EXCELLENT low-power video decoding so video playback is almost 3x longer than x86 machines.
@@systemBuilder Skimping on memory definitely does NOT save power as it has to compensate by constantly compressing data and swapping to and from SSD. All of that obviously consumes more so it wastes power if anything.
@@yurymleh you really don't have a clue do you? They run virtual memory and it only gets used when you switch between applications, or if both applications happen to be writing to the screen at the same time, which is rare. This is power draw only once every several minutes. The overhead of compression or flash-based paging systems pales in comparison to the constant power draw and DRAM refresh current needed for a second bank of RAM!
@@systemBuilder If that were true MBA with 16 and 24GB would have worse battery life times than MBA with 8GB which they don't. So who is clueless again?
Finally a proper indepth review. Most reviewers would just show some synthetic benchmarks and some Photoshop and figma benchmarks and call it a day.
It’s so nice to see reviews that don’t just go into what a content creator uses. I’d imagine far more workers are using virtual desktop interfaces to access applications than use video editing software
@@whenhen Right? I use android studio, pytorch, and mathlab. All that on a linux distro (Arch). 99% of all reviews never cover these.
@@whenhen also Im learning ethical hacking using kali linux. Would have been a total waste when it comes to this laptop.
@@whenhentf is that last sentence? Video editing software is widely used
@@64bitmodels66 There are many major companies running most of their applications on some sort of a VDI, especially in heavily regulated industries. In my previous company alone there are more people using a VDI than professional video editors in the USA according to the BLS. Not having something like Citrix running smoothly can be a massive deal breaker when purchasing a laptop.
Im so glad im watching this video before i do one of those moments where i buy something and somehow theres a video that says why the product in question isnt effective.
This is really outstanding. Really appreciate the effort on Linux too!
Just feels like a chromebook as of now. Maybe that will change when more apps become avail, but can't see any reason to buy this when thin and light laptops already exist with good battery life.
Yep, they are rushing an unfinish product
It also seems like they're dipping their toes in ARM bit don't want to take a foot out of x86. They're gonna walk down the middle of the road until they are squished like a grape and forced to make a choice and lean hard into it.
come on, I don't think many people got fooled... most of us we knew what was about to happen
Your experience with the Samsung Book4 Edge is strange. I wonder if your first one was simply a dud. There's always a percentage of a product that slip through QA and fail, sadly.
It's also interesting to me that you've heard fan noise on yours. If it was the 16, I can't comment (though I realize it's a higher binned processor capable of higher clocks than the 14 inch) but on the 14 I've yet to hear the fans come on.
Also, one very important benefit: sleep actually works properly. I can close the lid and not worry about it waking itself and turning it on the next morning will only see it loose 2-5% battery.
This is the most in depth overview of the Snapdragon laptops I've seen since launch. Thank you for this! As an architect, I am a little more confident with these devices but usability would be better if these mature more next year.
Always buy 2nd generation of anything. I've decided to wait for Surface Pro 12 with X Elite 2.
If lunar lake delivers I think you should stay on x86 why put on Jeopardy your work?
@@jorge86rodriguez I already have my PC for that, I just need a laptop that has good battery life haha
100 years later lol
I would guess this is mostly about adapting software for this processor type. Overall, I do think snapdragon laptops are probably best for most people. After all, it gives lower temps and longer battery life. Most people just need their laptop for editing documents, or using some web app or relatively lightweight business related app. I do hope they actually bring out low cost pc's exactly for this case. It would transform laptops businesses could use and you can recommend to relatives and friends that just need basic laptop.
Pretty sure these are going to become mainstream laptop processors, and we are just waiting for software to catch up.
i could never buy a laptop without seeing joshes opinion it
I'm paying the price. I bought this over an iPad thinking that this would have more compatibility with audio applications. 😂
@@sasmitha8446There’s probably a lot of USB devices without the right drivers :/ Not sure how long it would take.
Could you buy a desktop?
@@sasmitha8446 you're still in the return period
@@mechanicalmonk2020 i mean i already have the knowledge required to get the parts
I too find the Surface Laptop to be the most compelling of the new Snapdragon lineup, and for the casual user it most likely boil down to which OS is preferred.
no its not
The Lenovo is better
I like the Samsung for its great integration with my other Samsung devices. But I realize not everyone is in that boat.
Another great option is the Book4 Edge, since is the only one that supports the top SKU of the X Elite
You need a $1,000 machine for casual things? My Chromebook does just fine in Casual Video Playing.
I'm an ex-Microsoft employee (retired) and I've not enjoyed the (other) apple-using tech journalist take on Snapdragon laptops. HOWEVER, in the case of Josh, in this video, I have to give him a big THUMBS UP! I own the Surface Laptop 7, and for my needs (casual + light software dev) it is lifechanging, but it might not work for others, depending on what their use cases are. Josh did a great job on this review! I hope that things improve over time, as they did with Apple Silicon (M1), but as of right now, Josh's take is spot on. Great job, Josh and team!
Because you are biased?
@@MichaelGGarry The poster was at least polite enough to list their bias. What's your excuse?
What does being an ex-Microsoft employee have anything to do with your experience?
@@MichaelGGarry Uh, yeah! That's what I was pointing out at the beginning. I worked for Microsoft and still thought that his review was fair and balanced. I thought that was clear by admitting my bias and still applauding his review. I wish that he was wrong, and that the devices were perfect, but as of this date, they are not. Just as he pointed out.
@@maxweinbach3996 Acknowledging my implicit bias (because I am), but still appreciated his fair & accurate review.
The only channel that covered linux support! 🎉🎉 Thanks.
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Josh has been testing these laptops for 10 days. I knew that the next video would give a total review about the laptops. Turned out it isn't as great as it seemed. I'll be waiting for the Intel Lunar Lake chips.
Thanks Josh, you are my fav laptop and now also business channel. I only trust your advise.
yup, Lunar Lake it will be for me as well :).
Hi. Can you tell why is so many people waiting for Lunar lake? Are they gonna make some very significant jump? I am gonna purchase a meteor lake laptop soon (confused between Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i or Ideapad pro 5), but people waiting for Lunar lake are making me nervous.
Idk about the performance uplifts but wait for a while if u can@@narutokunn
@@narutokunn I would wait for Lunar Lake. I believe it's faster, and most important more energy efficient
@@narutokunn uses a more advanced node from TSMC, on-package memory, low power design, next gen integrated graphics (around rtx 3050 in benchmarks). Multi threaded performance won't be anything special tho.
Thanks for the review. Much more nuance video with the target user group and respective user experience for different user cases. Did see a whole bunch x elite laptop reviews from multiple channels already. This one is not among the first wave of reviews, but is the best and most informative review so far.
It's much appreciated to see an honest evaluation of the laptops, well done! I had to laugh about the female Netflix/office and two male power users though...
It's even more funnier because I'm eyeing to purchase a snapdragon laptop for my wife for her simple browsing use-case. Whereas I am a software developer who uses docker and other development tools mentioned, so I will stick to AMD/Intel laptops for now. 😂
Clicked as soon as the video appeared on my feed.. You guys are the best
I'd better buy cheaper prev gen x86 laptop if it just for casual use, heck even maybe used ones. Some can last 10+ hr on battery at just half the price.
buying new computers is dumb anyway. desktops offer far more performance for the same price, and if you need a laptop, buying a used apple silicon macbook would be almost as powerful as the newest laptops, but would barely cost you money as its resell value barely drops at that point, making its usage actually much, much cheaper than any other high performance laptop.
for casual use anything thats 2020 or newer will do, you could either buy a used thinkpad for 300 bucks, or a used macbook air. nobody needs to buy the newest models, its just a gigantic waste of money and the people buying those only do so because they want the feeling of getting something new, cause it makes no sense at all
Linus tech tips once again showing why they are irrelevant in the tech review space
They are the absolute worst, and they think they are funny and entertaining.
Did they release a review on this?
People miss the point of these laptops, the majority of buyers are looking for an office suite, basics machine, that is fast, reliable and has great battery life. Your typical mom and pop or corporate giving a powerpoint presentation to off-site clients isn't going to be using Matlab. They wan't a Windows platform machine with tablet-like battery and portability in a traditional form factor. For that, the Snapdragon machines seem like a fantastic option if you have to buy now.
We are definitely aware of this and agree with you
Was waiting for the video eagerly and... i guess I'll wait for the upgrade :(
Snapdragon X Elite delivers exceptional performance, but improvements are needed for the engineering software and GPU.
yup, people laugh at arc igpu (me as well), but it turns out it's even better than this :/.
no one's gonna buy a 1000 dollar laptop that can only play games at 36 fps 😢
because of the x86 translation, those programs need to get ported to work on ARM and they will work much better, I think.
@@efeloteishe4675 Which isn't going to happen...
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 I still find it hilarious that people pay anything at all for a laptop to play games on them. Sure, maybe if you're on travel and it's all you got...
These ARM laptops are NOT a good choice for any of the 3 types of users that this vide mentions in the beginning. The RUclips addict should get a chromebook and for the other two - an Intel-based machine is a no-brainer. If these Windows-on-ARM laptops were anything close to affordable, you could argue that they are would be a good fit in some other use cases - students, bloggers, etc. But they are not. And in what universe are these more affordale than a MacBook Air?
Yes, we should have considered Chromebooks, you are right. We will in future
Developers are not in a rush because Microsoft did not commit to ARM. It’s just a side project and everyone is just waiting to see how it goes, including consumers and developers. Sheer poison for sales.
Agreed. Windows won’t allow developers to code binary directly to ARM CPU. MSFT wants TurboTax, Citrix, AutoCad, & so on to go through the Windows store. Garbage move!!!
What, I think they are basically all in on arm. They haven't released a consumer intel product this year! Surface pro 10 was a business limited production with no marketing.
bullshit. Microsoft is all in on ARM so much so that Intel looks like a Motorola right now.
@@tringuyen7519 Either they'll back track on this move or just fail with arm, again.
source?
there haven't been so many apps ported to arm in a long time
You can get a Asus Zenbook 14 with Core ultra 9 32gb 1tb for 900 usd nowadays, and the battery life is not much shorter than snapdragon ones, almost half the price.
I am using Surface Laptop 7 with X Elite 80-100, man I have to say its very great, I get more battery life than my Macbook Pro M1 und extremely great performance.
The scatter-plot at 6:02 is epic. A real eye-opener!
It looks like Jim Keller really knows how to save power. 6:01 - this scatter plot shows 4 types of processors. The yellow and blue ones did NOT have Jim Keller leading the design teams. The red and black ones DID have Jim Keller working to lead some iterations of the design teams! See the difference! I thought you would !!!!
Stop comparing them to a early 2000 PC WITH NO TOUCHSCREEN or pen support. WHO THE HELL BUYS A LAPTOP THESE DAYS WITH NO TOUCHSCREEN? My issue is Windows, not an operating system for servious work. It's crapware & vaporware. The problem isn't the hardware. IT'S THE SOFTWARE. I'VE BEEN RESETTING MY PC FOR OVER AN HOUR TO GET THAT NONFUNCTIONAL CRAPWARE OFF IT.
This guy is amazing he bought these laptops with his own money 😳 and did a fair review highlighting the positives and negatives too!
He's a legend
@@IvoPavlikhe’ll be returning them right after the video lol
@@sirrabhsurya5087 I don't think he will... because of he might want to test new features as they get updated.
@@sirrabhsurya5087maybe not return, but he'll definitely write them off as a business expense
After seeing your videos as well as some actual QUALITY reviews that arent just influencer ads, I am definitely SKIPPING Snapdragon/Windows on Arm laptops. I can buy an OLED Intel Core Ultra 185H laptop for $800 which is 90% as good with zero issues. OR I can just wait a couple months for next gen Intel Lunar Lake and Zen 5 which are expected to be better than Snapdragon. In no world does buying a $1300 Snapdragon laptop with all its software issues make sense.
The most honest review I've watched so far! Thank you for being the honest voice of reason for consumers
You got it
@@JustJoshTechthank you for your work it really helps
he just copied what linus said
@@drinkwater9891 the same linus that made this paid marketing video? ruclips.net/video/C0bEew9dqNs/видео.htmlsi=yPqNPfkqbx5f8-z1
Yeah, it's good for casual user
But like, there is no clear slice of cake for it
If I am casual user,
Says, I don't have any specific software, I want battery life, and I want to use ARM. I can always use Apple Macbook. Sure, it's not Windows, but software support is much better at this point.
If I play games
or have any specific software, x86 is always the choice. Windows on Arm is the 3rd branch after x86 and Apple, any software support or official release will be behind. It really is overhyped, there is no real reason to use it now or soon. Unless things changed in next 10 years, but Intel/AMD is not gonna watch and do nothing.
Thank you Josh and team! Your honesty and straight forwardness is highly appreciated
Okay hopefully someone will help me understand this. I don't fully understand this laptop. Is it just over hype of arm laptops because I feel like for value you can get the surface laptop with 256GB for $1900 AUD but for the same around you can get a pretty good gaming laptop or a ultra book with good hardware in it and a good graphics as well. Even for doing light task I feel like you can just get a much cheaper laptop and you will be fine. The only true positive I seen is the good battery life, apart from that it's kinda ehh compare to other laptops for the same amount. Kinda want to hear other peeps thoughts since I am plaining to buy a new laptop in the next few days.
Best professional review hands down. I guess these are over-hyped and half-booked as usual from Microsoft. Intel will probably offer similar efficiency & superior compatibility with Lunar Lake in September.
These are a solid 1st gen. Also, why are we blaming Microsoft for third party software incompatibilities. M1 had a ton of software issues as well. In exactly the same way it had to happen with Apple, the dev community needs time to catch up and create native arm applications.
@@Kyt2024 It is because this is not the first gen by Microsoft & Qualcomm. They have been releasing ARM products for years now and this generation was supposed to be similar to the M1 moment Appl had but it clearly is not.
@@A15689 it’s very similar to M1 actually. And yes Microsoft and Qualcomm have done some other work on arm over the years but the x elite is a completely new initiative. It IS first gen. Like M1 this is the first moment now today where arm builds are worthwhile to make for windows. Things will improve significantly from here to their “M2” like they did with Apple. The only major difference tbh is Qualcomm did not focus on their GPUs enough for this first gen X elite, that’s going to be moved forward in the 2nd gen according to Qualcomm.
ruclips.net/video/nDRV9eEJOk8/видео.htmlsi=820bL_GKLhFmy_4p
@@Kyt2024 What makes this a completely new initiative versus the previous 8cx chip ?
7:35 & 11:35 *_This is the moment of revelation,_* *Snapdragon X ELITE's are more of INTEL than they are APPLE* 🍎, until they figure out how to beat APPLE 🍎 in this, they are NO better than an incremental improvement on INTEL, which is more like a continuity than a disruptive change.
Genuinely, thank you, I know we are asking a lot but next time trying to cover C/C++ compiling, and huge huge thank you for covering Linux support
ignore these first generation products...wait for 2nd generation chips
Software support is not ready
Chip is originally designed for servers but Qualcomm rushed it to work in mobile devices.
GPU is weak they will add better GPU in next generation.
As seen in benchmarks architecture is great they just need to refine it to work in lower wattage that will improve power efficiency or maybe they add efficiency cores
But it's positive start for ARM for Laptops
so damn glad someone is giving software dev specific info about these, thanks for the video josh
I appreciate your attention to detail with all of these programs. But it's pretty obvious that 95% of these issues will be fixed within a few months, and at that point these laptops will indeed be great for professionals too. And because it's just the start of Windows on arm we should expect arm to get better, while amd and Intel will be behind. It's true. I think you are under hyping the progress, simply looking at initial things without seeing the big picture
MS has been suggesting this for 10+ years, tomorrow, tomorrow, but we are still waiting; "assumptions are the mother of all mistakes".
Cudos to the graphics in this video, the visuals are very nice and streamlined :)
Office work tasks are "professional" tasks. Perhaps what you were looking for was media creation tasks, which are important and professional, but not inherently more so than somebody who lives in desktop publishing suites or project management software.
Exactly what I thought!
I agree 100 per percent and is a serious blind spot in many reviews
You're correct. I didn't even realized that. I think he wanted/meant that office work tasks are low to medium in "heavyness" or "demandingness". As in, as a benchmark, they're not overly useful for determining how powerful a CPU is. Hence the need to put them in a separate category.
There are so many professions and "professional" tasks - given what you know now, how do you differentiate the varieties? Josh's approach is valid to me and not quite misleading as he explains the typical office work apps.
@@xiangli2452 I can guarantee that every company uses Office, and just a very small % of professionals are making videos.
Seems little biased and hateful on snapdragon chips. When the M1 was introduced everybody on that bandwagon that calling the ARM was the future, even though there were a lot of compatibility issues with many applications. But most of these reviewers were appreciating (praising) battery life & benchmark results. Nobody cared about app compatibility, (8 GB so-called unified RAM) and now some company has come up with a solution for Windows so many Apple Sleeper cells were just woke up and bashing the Snapdragon X series.
Yes, if you can wait for the apple solution, so wait a little for the Windows (Qualcomm's) updates. It will be improved and outperform Apple's useless (8 GB/256 GB) hardware in the price-to-performance ratio.
These are big fat expensive chromebooks rushed to market. They don't edit video or play games very well, but they do browse the web and play videos and have good displays & sound.
In short, get a macbook and give no complain. My macbook air m1 is still as fast as nowdays todays laptop
and even beats them
Why hasn't someone combined these laptops with Nvidia GPUs
Bucz you can't
Arm gpus don't work like that... They are integrated.
@@luigidabro why can't they have dedicated GPUs
@wandering-jew go watch a video about arm gpus. These people can explain it better than me, but basically, the circuits around the CPU are very smushed together in a complex way for better performance.
@@luigidabro thats bs. arm is just a cpu architecture, it has nothing to do with where the graphics card is located or how it is connected. putting an integrated graphics cards into them is a choice independent of them being arm cpus.
Please create a video showing the performance of Autocad. This will help a lot of architects in the world. Thank you!
It's a great idea and I'd love to do a video on it. Hopefully next month
@@JustJoshTech thank you so much!
I'll be waiting for Intel Lunar lake based on 3nm, should be out in one or two months.
earliest september. but finishing the chip does not mean OEMs are ready. You have to wait end of year / 2025 for a full release of laptops.
@@maurizio835 Intel always has laptops ready on launch, unlike AMD. While youre right we wont see every laptop design ready, there will DEFINITELY be more designs in the first few weeks than Snapdragon will have all year, so people wont really have to wait.
Great review as always, though the title and thumbnail are very misleading...
for example, something like the Humane AI pin is useless now, whatever updates they give, it will still not match a smartphone with ChatGPT 4o or Gemini or the latest Siri.
But most of the issues in SDX devices can and will be fixed in a few months. And the video could have mentioned that, i guess it was not in Josh's intention to support Windows on ARM. so I feel the title and thumbnail are misleading.
But no real user wants to own an apple. They're restrictive, expensive, and ugly.
Great review as always. For windows power mode, did you run it at balanced, high performance, or best efficiency?
lying that you are x86_64 even if you are aarch64 is very standard practice for almost all browsers. that's why websites won't detect you that you are using aarch64 device. this alone will confuse many casual users who just clicks download button without thinking about their cpu architecture.
0:05 they're all Windows... I think you meant X86?
Finally, a honest review of these laptops. I believe the emulation layer for snapdragon is gonna be slow or nonexistent. I doubt that native programs will be available for a long time, as most windows programmers will look at the current user base X64, and realize that its not reaaly worth it to port these to windows ARM. That is where Apple has the big advantage, their developers are all on Apple silicon. Microsoft can't have a forked version of windows for both. It's either gonna be ARM from now on if they want this to succed. This won't happen! Businesses that use windows are not gonna spend billions on chaging their whole infrustructure.
The problem here is windows
MacOS i well integrated to the M series its not even close
Probably because macOS has been optimizing for M chips for 4 years, while Windows with Qualcomm is still working on it.
@@EibrahamCx It really has nothing to do with 4 years of optimization. The experience was already extremely polished when the first M1 laptops hit the market. For instance, all the applications Josh identified as incompatible with Snapdragon, like the audio software, worked perfectly on M1, even though many of them did not have native ARM versions at the time.
@@boshi9 exactly; Apple was way more hush-hush about the M series prior to them hitting shelves, and yet everything was so much more polished on release
Most of the issues listed in this video are only from the maker's preliminary testing. That's disturbing. There must be many more teething issues he hasn't even come across yet on those machines
The release feels under-baked and rushed to get to market before Apple's M4 and AMD Strix Point release
@@EibrahamCxthat is not optimization its tailored to the hardware.
@@EibrahamCxwhile advanced users at the aircraft engineering industry will be still using windows.
damn, use of ai photos was lame. these laptops areeeee underwhelming too.
Hopefully these arm chips age like fine wine from compatibility aspect because , competition always good thing for consumer
I commented in a couple other reviews that I was going to wait a while until they work the kinks out and also to see what Lunar Lake and whatever AMD has in the pipe will be like and I got some pretty negative replies, some of which weren't very nice at all. I'm still going to wait and as far as I'm concerned, the astroturfers can enjoy their fake lawns.
I do like to play some games but Geekbench and Cinebench aren't on my game list. As a Steam friend once told me, "You can't win those games".
people hear ARM, associate it with apple silicon and think x86 is toast because it's old even tho ARM is old too
Tbh, with mobile phones this good I don't need the laptop for casual stuff at all. I even bought my home with it. For those that are not professional or don't high end excel work, do you really need one? If you feel you do for the sake of it or for the option just get a decent one for £700 as that will be medium future proof as well.
if you get a used macbook air, it might be over a thousand, but its resell demand is so high that is barely looses value by using it and it also has the highest efficiency, so this would actually be the cheapest option, cheaper and better and nicer than laptops with a lower cost of purchase. getting new tech is dumb anyway no matter what
Wow this is a superior video to the terrible LTT one, subscribed
Awesome video! I just have a question: is there going to be a separate review for each of those laptops?
I feel Snapdragon is sadly a lot of compromises for a not so significant advantage. For example the fact that you have to throw out gaming almost completely means that it's arguably not a complete computer. Not to mention the risk of general compatibility and translation issues. The more reviews I watch, the more interesting Intel Ultra 7 seems for a universal Windows device, with its significantly better Arc graphics.
You literally just shat all over every other laptop reviewers. Your massive amount of work put into this video shows.
Basically you are buying a problem with money.
Thank heavens for this video, just recently watched Max Tech and the clear apple bias was so bad it pisses me off, so great job on making an actually objective review
MAXTECH is a clown. Why people trust what he says if he doesnt have a tech degree?
@@sergioyichiong7269 you don't need a tech degree you just need to be objective and well he honestly isn't
@Riyoe *"clear apple bias"*
LOL clear Apple bias from Max Tech? He's generally the Apple trasher of all reviewers. If he has any praise for Apple's products he's being honest because he can't find a reason to lie. Apparently you want to hear nothing but Apple trashing to make you happy, so be honest you're simply an Apple hater because Apple silicon Macs are the best computers all around, and if it hurts you to admit that then....SMH
@@BlendingWithHenry nice rage bait, literally everything max tech says is meatriding apple lmao bro has not watched any of his videos
@@Riyoe You're full of crap. Typical PC fanboy.
I guess we can wait for like a year at most until all these issues are ironed out. It was the case with the first Apple Silicon laptops as well. What Microsoft and Qualcomm have achieved is truly a marvellous step forward in Windows computers and it is certain that they will very soon fully replace x86 CPUs
We can all deduce that the problem lies in Bloatware called Windows OS. Similar work if went on optimizing Linux for Arm, I am sure that would be as performant/efficient as Macbook.
Stupid comment.
you know if and when linux works for arm, it might have better support for it compared to something like windows since there have been arm versions of the repos on linux for several years at this point
your hate for windows is the reason windows is successful and linux is free but no one wants it. Linux users are so annoying.
@@David-Zita nah, windows is successful because it comes from microsoft and microsoft is a huge company with lots of resources,and it came first, so most people used it, so most companies developed their apps for it because of that, and so on. apple is not a competitor cause it has a different user base, and linux is open source, so it has no resources to compete, and because it became viable much later, most professional apps are already developed for windows.
most people also do not want to learn a new OS, they want to stick with what they are used to.
windows is crap, it just has no real competitor given the circumstances.
So my question is…seeing as they are trying to compare it to the MacBook Air… do they have plans to make a more beefed up version that can challenge the MacBook Pro? I really want to switch over to windows full time…but there’s nothing premium at that level and quality from widows laptops. The new surface laptop looked nice…still not there though in terms of performance
Intel Lunar Lake is going to destroy Snapdragon X
Depends on how it's executed :(
I am betting on AMD.
@@Just_a_random_birb Both will. But the second X Elite series is something I am looking forward to as well, as this series was delayed and not supposed to launch this late lol
Lunar Lake TDP is 17W with boost up to 30W. If the Geekbench results are to be believed, the Lunar Lake processors will smash Qualcomm X Elite in efficiency which regularly goes up to 40-50W. Altogether, with a much better CPU+GPU+NPU plus better IO.
@@ashar8192lmao, snapdragon x was a big failure
Watched your videos many times but just now realized I wasn’t subscribed my bad
& rectify the problem
Thank you
Let's say it together folks... Laptops STILL suck in 2024! Have a nice day.
@@curio78Cope
Windows only. Yes
@@curio78 Lunar lake garbage and AMD will not be able to meet the demand even at 10%.
Given that no-one will buy those, application compatibility won't improve at all. No developer will spend time optimizing for this, especially since they changed the APIs for ARM, it's not as easy at just compiling for different CPU, as it was with apple's transition to ARM. I expect stuff to "improve" a bit in the next couple of months, and then just plateau. I don't expect games to be compiled for ARM, maybe even less than for macOS.
Wow, what a freaking video. Subscribed
you have more integrity than all the undercover QC/MS marketing clowns and puff piece content producers on RUclips together!
Thank you!
Its interesting. Windows users normally makes fun of gaming on apple computers. Any 4 years old M1 apple computer CRUSHES these new arm pcs in gaming in every possible way (what games can run and how they run)
Crushes , lol what a shill , and what games ? 30% of my game library?
So, if you use special professional applications, get Intel. If you play games, get AMD. If you want the best battery life, get a Mac. If you just need an laptop, all these Qualcomm models are probably more expensive than you want to spend.
I just bought one and am using it for full stack development and its great. Excited about the ARM architecture and NPU. Looking forward to doing AI development on the platform.
Almost like you didn’t watch the video, if you want to do AI dev, even the lowest line nvidia card blows these out of the water in terms of TOPs.
So moral of the video, wait for the next generation
Excellent. Besides, Snapdragon chipsets do not run Windows Pro to the best of my knowledge. Surface Laptops with Snapdragon Elite is available only with Windows Home Edition which is a stripped down OS with no security feature and very limited networking feature.
BS. what a lie. It performs amazing. Typing on a Slim 7x Win 11 Pro 32 GB Ram ;).
oh man
i dead ass wanted to switch my laptop only for matlab!
Qualcomm and Microsoft really screwed this launch, this the first review to actually do an evaluation of how these laptops in varied scenarios. So it seems like these have marginal benefits and huge disadvantages, and backwards compatibility, windows's most defining feature, takes a hit in both hardware and software. So modern light tasks is what this seems to be design for, which means the battery life is most important aspect of this, and it seems to be a marginal advantage which is very disappointing (only standby battery drain seems to be a big advantage). I hope Qualcomm and Microsoft focus on that aspect more if they hope for this to actually be worth it.
I'm pretty sure that ARM will be the way to go for all laptops in a few years
i hope not
Doubtful. We’ve seen this before. Just more hype this time.
@@BurnsRubberMajor tech companies are going to release support for Qualcomm laptops for their applications, so going forward ARM is the future of mobile computing or will compete alongside Intel, AMD, and Mac.
@@LetsGoBowlingNiko We’ll see. This transition won’t be simple or easy. Corporate IT departments would need to buy in along with all x86 software companies. The launch of these Qualcom (Nuvia) SoCs has been a disaster. They offer similar performance to current Gen Intel/AMD with substantial bugs, compatibility and performance limitations at similar prices. They might have a role for limited functionality low end laptop but won’t compete in the longterm with Intel and AMD. Competition between Intel and AMD is fierce right now.
It's not sure, it's far away in efficiency (if you compare with the oher ARM chip), so if the AMD and Intel answer will have better efficiency, why would you do all the reworks if the result even inferior like you don't do anything just stick to the newer x86 model?
Thanks for testing Linux compatibility, I was curious about that.
Can't use Clonezilla I guess.
0:11 what a line *"They're Hyped like there the second coming of JESUS* 😂😂😂
Aren't these also being compared to the current/last gen Intel and AMD CPUs? We should get the next gen ones soon. The X Elite should be compared to those
100% agreed
Excellent analysis, thanks.
It's weird that a macbook gives you like everything, which snapdragon laptops selectively gives you some pros and some cons compared to x86.
i will definately buy one, because i dont like macOS and for my everyday tasks it is awesome.. i still have to edit videos sometimes and hope the support for ARM will improve. my old intel laptop doesnt work at all after many years and i think this is future-proof.. still wish it would be the same "wow" effect like with apples silicone where everything was improved compared to intel
I've never clicked so fast
They are not as good as apple, yeah we know but they are way cheaper, an do not sholder ssd and ram
He doesn’t even say which Mac’s they went up against. Maxed out or entry level.
Good step forward, but ARM chips have a long way to go to match performance per watt of Apple silicon
I'll stick with my M3 MacBook but I'm really glad Windows laptops are catching up... If only they didn't have to run Windows...
mac is terrible
Please tell me you got the 16GB
@@raminMTL have you used it, ever?
@@Rascate81 New windows in those laptop eat upto 8 GB of ram and when MS will add more AI features it will eat more so 16 in windows full of bloatware is not enough
@@scientist30 I was talking about the MacBook. If it were for windows get the 32 GB if possible haha
10:55 yes, NVidia will be much faster, but will eat your battery. NPUs are for power efficiency for very long running inference workloads, not top performance and huge workloads.
Review is spot on. I bought a surface laptop 7 after returning a MacBook Air. I use it for media consumption, misc business tasks, file management on local server shares and a lot of remote connections to other computers. I love it so far. I realized that most of the things I do are cloud based or on other servers. I don’t need a laptop that does heavy lifting. And battery life has been night and day vs other windows laptops.
But it’s not a gaming pc and there’s definitely growing pains with software compatibility. I appreciate a review that can convey that without trashing what the devices are.
He may have a few women locked up in his mother’s basement against their will, but he’s arguably the best laptop reviewer on the planet! Love you, bud 👀
Excellent review. This channel always puts tremendous effort and care into their work
For me, my Surface Pro with Snapdragon Elite rocks for video editing. I'm using a 10 year old version of PowerDirector (15) and it's almost as fast to render 4k video as my i7-10700 desktop with Radeon RX550 GPU (9 minutes for a 5m41s video).
Fantastic review! Very informative 👍 thanks a lot ❤
First generation X Elite still need more Windows ARM improvement and more software polishment but MS will get there running Windows ARM