How To Play Fast Hi-Hat in Drum Grooves (Moeller Technique)
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2016
- Using Moeller Technique to play accented notes and facilitate speed on the hi-hat and ride when playing drum grooves.
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OHHH SO THATS HOW YOU DO IT I totally didn’t spend about 5 months trying to do this
Ah, glad if this was helpful - thanks for watching man! :)
Wow I’ve gone to grade 5 and then I learn this, Jesus it’s so much easier now damn
Haha, thanks for watching and commenting Rosa - yes this is dynamite once you internalize it! 👊🏻
My drum instructor suggested that I check youtube to review the Moeller technique before my next lesson. I have tried to watch four other videos that either took too long or were too esoteric in their explanation of the technique. Thank you, thank you, thank you for this clear and effective demo.
Ha no worries David, thanks for watching and so glad it was helpful. Cheers man!
Agreed. The idea of imagining a piece of string pulling the wrist up is perfect.
Thank you for this video. So far one of the best I've seen on the Moeller technique
Cheers!
Fellows, We have an authentic drummer teacher here... Mr. Mike Barnes! Simple & Solid, Thanks a million Mike!! 💪🏼🥁🎶
Sure thing man
This video did it for me. For the longest time, I couldn’t get the technique right but the way you explained it on the snare just worked for me. Huge Thank You!!!
Well I've instantly become a better drummer. Thanks.
Ha cool!
Thank you 😀 I was searching for this technique, and you explained it really good 😊
Thank you sir for the clear explanation of the moeller technique...
I really appreciate
Mike thank you so much for this Video . I love the way how you brake it down into details explain and demonstrating it....that's a awesome excersice. Thank a lot 👍🙋♀️
This really helped me thank you very much !!
Yasmine Bannoura cool, I glad!
Hi- I struggled to learn the Moeller technique from other videos - You helped me make a breakthrough.
Thanks ! And Yes, I subscribed !
Great! Really glad if this was helpful, thanks for watching! :)
Mike Barnes Drums
Is the hit first or the tap first on the hats? You do the opposite on snare when compared to your demo on the hats- I’m confused!
@@PBrown-zr3lf I noticed this too: I believe on the hihat he played it the other way around, to ensure the accent is on the beat and the tap is on the 'and'. He explains this at 3:05. Doing it the other way around could be nice too, in more specific scenarios, when you would like the accents to be off beat.
your description and hand movement was exactly what i needed thanks!
That’s an awesome video, super helpful on learning the technique!
Cool, glad you found it useful :)
As usual, Mike Barnes proves to be the best teacher ever! Thanks a lot!
Cheers Russ!
Excellent! 👍
Loved the rigid playing of the hihat on 1/16ths! Great tutorial - can't wait to put it into action
Glad it was helpful, have fun!
Nice! This is very well done, simple to understand, great for me, a first time Moeller learner.
Andrew Maxwell cool!
best tutorial on this technique yet, thanks!
DJ Keltech thanks man!
thanks lots Mike. really helpful !
Happy to help!
Hey thanks for the video mate ! I was looking for a proper explanation to it ! Back to practice now, hopefully I'll get to use this to bring some sweet funky accents to my drumming :)
Great video, exactly what I was looking for.
Great, happy to hear it, cheers Marcel!
This was extremely helpful. Thanks soo much for this tutorial
Cool, thanks for watching :)
thank you sir. that is very helpful.
Great man I'm glad!
Always wondered about this, thanks alot
Very helpful, thanks man.
Cool, glad it helped!
So many over complicated videos on this technique! Thank you for keeping it simple.
Great man, thanks for watching and glad you found it useful! :)
Mike good morning! Thank you for the effort to explain the technique, have a good day Mike
Cool, thanks for watching and glad if it was helpful. Cheers!
Thank you for posting this!
Sn00ze Cool! Glad if it was useful :)
Great explanation 👍 loving the vids.
Ah cheers Luke!
Thank you!
Thanks for the video, it was really useful!
Sure thing man, thanks for watching! :)
You have a great teaching presentation - clear, punchy, enthusiastic. Excellent. Thanks
Appreciated and thanks for watching! 👊🏻
Excellent explanation and demonstration 10/10!!! 👍😁
Cheers!
Thanks for this tip
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
Great lesson ,
Fresh thanks!
Just found this video, but it really helped! Thanks!
Henz Cool! Thanks for watching :)
Great explanations
Cheers Matt, thanks for watching and glad it was helpful!
Finally someone explaining the technique! Thanks.
Thanks for watching man!
Very very much helpfull
Just brilliant...Six years ago Mike .
Col
nice technique
Thank you man
edward the great No worries man, thanks for watching!
I found this video really helpful... I was trying to play bullet the blue sky song... I was playing with a wrong technique and my right hand was paining... After applying the moellee technique I could correct it... The use of elbow is very equally important as wrist movement... Initially my wrist was correct but elbow motion was not correct..... Thanks Mike for this useful tutorial
Nice one! Glad you dig. Bullet the Blue Sky video here if you need: ruclips.net/video/Z_nFuXnyVAM/видео.html
Cheers!
nice i have also played this with just the tip of the stick u know depending on the sound u trying to achieve keep drummin
Cheers for watching Kenneth!
i really appreciate this video. i'm going to work on it straight away, as you say in the UK!
KPEC3arrival Cool man, go for it. Thanks so much for watching and really glad if the video was helpful.
Mike Barnes Drums Definitely it was! Your drums sound amaz!
Thanks man!
Mike Barnes Drums You are welcome! I pray in Jesus name for your continued success, a multitude of paying gigs, and the health and safety of you and yours!
Nice one
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
Whenever I do this method, my stick always hits the drum/pad with the wood of the stick, halfway down the shaft. I can't get it to hit with the tip of the stick when I do the whipping motion. What the hell am I doing wrong?
I've been able to do it perfectly wind right hand for a while but it's so hard with the left hand
Thank You Mike God Bless
Sure man
Praise allah...
Now than I know.so easy.thanks.so good.you are.i want to call you.teacher's.....of drums works.....
I watched many videos on this topic, this one was the most helpful for sure.
Although I needed to activate the CC because the speech was quiet. Still, thank you very much! Subscribed!
Cheers man! Glad you found it useful :) 👊🏻
Finally not to much talking cute and clear! You rock!
Cheers Saskia! 🙏🏻👊🏻
You looks like my cousin :) thanks for video. (Now i can play sultans of swing :D)
Hi Mike, that was a really helpful video. I was struggling with this, my speed have really improved on high tempo songs.
Request: Can you make one about Kicks in between fills. Whenever i add an offbeat kick in a fast fill, it doesn't go right, however, it is okay with slow tempo.
Cool! Glad it was helpful. Will do some kick drum videos soon! I always feel the key to getting something like that going is nailing it at slow speed, and gradually increasing tempo over time. It takes work but worth it to sound great!
nice explanation
Cheers man!
Thank you! Funny enough, I came to this video because I was watching a drum tutorial DVD where the instructor said to 8th notes on the hi hat with the "4 on the floor" groove. He sped it up, but I was only seeing his hand come down on quarter notes while hearing 8th notes. I wish he had explained that technique. I was doing it punk rock style and wearing out. Lol
Misha Hinton ah cool, glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Should you use this in “ghost town” for grade 6?
Mike. What method would you use on hi hats for songs like Stevie Wonder- Superstition, Sir Duke, etc. ? Thanks
On those ones, wrist movement and fingers helping out on the quicker notes.
Superstition: ruclips.net/video/SHsaiyJ8uQ4/видео.html
Rockschool Grade 6 Superstition: ruclips.net/video/ED4_IKrWkV0/видео.html
Trinity Rock and Pop Grade 5 Sir Duke: ruclips.net/video/X43nggbooac/видео.html
Naisu thanks men
Bokoblin Bobo Very welcome, really glad if it was useful! :)
holy shit this is a good explanation
Spook404 Cheers man, thanks for watching!
Hmm, I do a weird drag motion to hit my accents and play faster hi hat. I kind of come in with the stick coming toward myself to ease my forearms up a bit. And i change up where I hit the hi hat to give it a more authentic sound. Side, side, top, side, side, side, top etc.
Cool man, thanks for watching 👊🏻
Is there anotations on the drum music sheet for the hi hat Moeller Technique ?
Alexandre Coupal no not usually, although the hi-hat/ride/floor tom part may have accents written over the quarter notes, or it may say “strong four feel” or something like that. Or it may not be notated on the music at all, it could just be something the drummer does to facilitate speed and give the groove some momentum. Cheers!
I've just started on this Mike....wow its tricky
Give it time man! All things come good with time, consistency and repetition.
Thanks for watching as always Dave!
Great video, I'm a beginner and have the most trouble syncing the kick drum with the hat when playing "busy patterns" like you described. I end up going back to solid 8th note hi hat hits when I have to focus on my footwork. I know it takes practice and I'm practicing, but just curious, do you get to a point where you're so fluid with it that changing up the kick drum pattern to make it busier or off time no longer matters, i.e., your hi hat hand and kick drum foot operate independently and you don't really need to practice syncing the light hi hat hit with a certain count of the kick followed by heavy hi hat with the next kick, etc.? Hope my question makes sense. Thanks!
Jonathon Baker Jonathon Baker Hi Jonathan - your questions makes perfect sense! Yes that’s what will happen with practice and experience - you’ll be able to separate the movements of your stick and foot and they won’t influence each other. It’s a gradual process and takes time. Enjoy the journey of improving and thanks for watching!
Mike Barnes Drums good to know, looking forward to that day. Thanks very much for the reply. I subscribed!
How's it going with this? I bet it didn't take too long
do you have any tips for doing this fast?, i cant seem to do a fast tempo with out my arm and wrist getting very stiff
Start slow, make the movement big and bold, stick at it and give it time to develop. Consistent practice and time man, it's the only way! Cheers
What technique would you use for a single handed 16th note hi hat groove at tempos above 105ishbpm?Would you use fingers?
Hi there, depends on the music you're playing and the feel you want to produce. My thoughts here: ruclips.net/video/UsZI_jVFhPc/видео.html
Cheers!
@@MikeBarnesDrums thanks!
I've been struggling with this for so long and still am. I cant get the wrist motion down and stop my wrist from cramping up. the stick bounce/rebound is all over the place as well
Lots more guidance on my playlist for Moeller-style technique: ruclips.net/p/PLcfoni8UPb9rUS7tWtaJKi22SgSZmt2cR
Thanks for watching man, hope that'll help you get it going! :)
Hi Mike, I am an intermediate drumming who like to play a lot of rock music, I loved your video on the Mouller method, I am working on playing Let there be rock (AC/DC), am I correct in saying the drummer is using this method throughout the entire sone, man it is hard work, any tips from you would be really appreciated. Cheers Wayne
Hi Wayne, thanks for watching man. On the original recording, yes I'd say Phil Rudd is emphasizing the quarter notes within the eight note groove he's playing on the hi-hat - so yes, this sort of movement. On the official video it looks like he is making that sort of movement on the hi-hat too. Worth noting that on the "Live At River Plate" version which is a bit faster still, he dispenses with the eight notes altogether and just plays quarter notes on the hi-hat. for that tune. Cheers!
Mike Barnes Drums, thanks Mike, can you give me any tips on playing Are you gonna be my hit by Jet, during the intro when there is on,y snare and base drum all is fine, it’s not until I start playing the hi hat that things go wrong. It is an independence thing, the base pattern interrupts my hi hat, any tips ? Have you ever posted a video of this song?
Cheers Wayne
Actually an amazing teacher. The ribbon string thing is an eye opener. Not sure about the angle and height of those toms though 😜.. each to there own I suppose.
Thanks for watching! Really glad if it was was helpful!
I have one more follow up question. The whip and ribbon is grand. The whole vid. I just need to clarify something which seems almost commonsensical. When whipping down do I allow the stick to be lose in my grip, and on the string pull do I also use my fingers to snap the stick back up with the wrist. Not sure if everything is all from the wrist or a combo of both. Seems like maybe I have to keep my grip tighter to reduce bounce and use only the wrist to stop myself from doing a double instead. Is that right? Thanks a lot for this.
@@michaelcooper2840 Interesting question! I like to keep my thinking clean and simple, and think of this mostly as a wrist technique - with the grip loose but secure and consistent throughout.
There are plenty of times of course when finger control is useful, see here: ruclips.net/video/awx9FDedInE/видео.html
Thanks for watching man and have fun!
The tom angle is similar to mine, so that the head is in an ergonomic position that provides a maximum playable surface area without the stick hitting the rim (too shallow) or poking into the head and glancing off (too steep). This is from the height of the player and their reach and also includes taking taking the bottommost edge of the large tom clearance above the bass drum and then matching the two toms’ surfaces at that same top-edge height. So it’s overall effect is that their is no arm overstretch or raising of the shoulders to allow a smooth rotation through the snare to the high then low toms in an arc. If you position the heads flat like Ginger Baker then you may rely more on wrist action at the tom end. Whereas a steeper angle like Nicki McBrain allows speedier rebound for running fills. Like Simon Phillips’ set-up, each of the frontal toms is fairly equally reachable and it’s only when you start to rotate towards the floor toms and almost rearward gong drum that the core position is altered.
Hi Mike
Great tutorial. I get what you're saying. I have always struggled to get songs like Tom Sawyer from Rush. How in the name of the drum God can Neil Peart get his high hats going to damn fast? Point me in the right direction? Thanx bud.
Cheers Diego! The truth is consistent practice is what's going to do it. For me I always think finding the "sweet spot" tempo to practice at where you're being stretched at bit but it's not unrealistic is the thing to go for. Then build the speed bit-by-bit and you'll get there. I see lots of guys just trying to bash along at full speed and it isn't effective practice. Use that metronome! Or the slow-down apps such as anytune are superb for slowing down the music you're playing to then building up a bit at a time. Cheers!
PS I'm going to do a Tom Sawyer video very soon!
if i practice this on a pad is the skill transferrable to high hat?
Yeah, I think on the whole it is - practice pads are a great tool. But you do still need to spend time doing it on the real thing too, it does feel slightly different in my opinion. Thanks for watching!
Hi Mike good video thanks I’m rewatching these as I want to cover some songs which are around 170bpm and now I’m totally getting found out for never learning and practicing drums properly haha. Also, why do you have two watches on? Was there a time in your life when you were really really late for everything?.. 😂👍
Cheers! One watch, one Soundbrenner pulse wearable metronome!
@@MikeBarnesDrums 👍Haha niceone, I actually thought that was the case, -coincidentally I have recently been looking at buying one via Amazon!
Thanks for that Mike. By the way I think you were ahead of your time three years ago by inventing the lockdown haircut. Haha 😂 only kidding. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
Cheers Bob! Although based on your profile pic I'm thinking you may not be the go-to guy for haircut advice 😂Ha, cheers man :) 👊🏻
Mike Barnes Drums Haha 😆 not many know my dad was a Minion and that’s my Apocalypse haircut😁. Thanks again for all the online lessons, I do appreciate them. I’m waiting for my three-monthly treatment (I’ve had none since before Christmas) to start back, in London, as I have a neurological disability that prevents my eyes from opening. In the meantime I’m cataloging your lesson so I can get back to meaningful practice. Regards, Bob M.
Could you practice this on your practice pad and see results from it?
Yes! Thanks for watching Lizo :)
I keep hitting the shaft of my stick on the edge of the cymbal, and it’s deadening my momentum, how do i get it to be more fluid? it feels unnatural as apposed to natural
I’m also hitting the shaft of the stick on the edge of the hi-hat (on the down stroke, tip of the stick on top of the hi-hat on the up stroke). Gives a nice fat sound, and I don’t feel it’s prevents momentum. With practice and repetition you’ll get nice and smooth. Cheers man and thanks so much for watching :)
Mike Barnes Drums How do I develop fluidity? Is there anything you recommend I do when I practice it?
@@natestrayhorn1578 Keep loose, practice daily! :) And record yourself and listen back! Cheers man.
I just donr understand how you get a strike on the first up stroke where the strinf is pulling your wrist UP ..feels totally unnatural to me and like i cant do it..maybe im used to the reverse method?
The tip of the stick acts as if it's heavy, so touches the drum head/cymbal as the wrist gets pulled up. Check out my full playlist about this motion here: ruclips.net/video/6NKOVT80FnU/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Thanks for watching!
@@MikeBarnesDrums thank you!
For some reason when I learn this technique and when I practice it on the drum kit I forget it. Its Sol annoying
Ah! Keep at it man, you'll get there - keep practising!
great video. I am gonna wear watches at both my wrists to be as good as you.
Ha ha, my secret is out! Thanks for watching man!
Is this what Ringo used on help?
Hi, thanks for watching! Yes could well have been. Looks like he's doing a version of it here - ruclips.net/video/CTsB-llTzyc/видео.html
He may not be specifically thinking of it in terms of Moeller motions though! He may just be doing what works or what he's seen others do. Either way he's the don!
Mike Barnes Drums cheers for the reply man 👍
Mike Barnes Drums here is another good one ruclips.net/video/YrdqfNGAmRY/видео.html
I've seen rocket science videos that are shorter and more informational. Good God, man.
😂Fair enough, thanks for watching anyway man :)
Should they technique be used all the time?
Hi, no! I'd say use it to fit the situation you're in! If you want an accent in your hi-hat part, use it. If not, don't! Cheers!
@@MikeBarnesDrums that helped me too lol
Really easy to do as long as you start slow. The toughest part is it throws your right foot off when you first start playing this way
Cool man, thanks for watching Curt! :)
usegul technique. thank you
Can you actually show it at speed?
Hey Kerry, thanks for watching! Check out the other vids on my channel, use this technique a lot :)
I have to play Help! by The Beatles and it absolutely kills my hand and forearm because it's SO fast on the hi-hat. This will help so much, thanks!
Great man, glad if this helped!
Look at da flika da wrist
Hi . thank you its cool video.. i got new video hope you will like it too...
you kinda look like wojak
i did not learn anything wtf
Thanks for watching anyway and sorry it wasn't helpful. Good luck man!
I found this very funny Mike. I am going to London, with my wife, (05.10 from Neath 🥱) for my usual medical appointment, the first video I see on the train is this Haha. Thanks again for sharing your skills. Bob M
Good stuff Bob, I’m unavoidable! All the best for the appt.
Isn’t this technique used by Neil Peart in Tom Sawyer?