I teach ~45 students on a weekly basis and describing these techniques to them has always been a challenge because I hadn't yet thought of a solid set of exercises to differentiate. Subscribed instantly.
@@lrngMathcom would listen to jazz and just explore the world of drumming with websites like drumeo and that guy. Also try to play jazz licks and fills could be really progressive.
I am a beginner, I have been playing for not even 6 months. I'm on day 4 of doing this exercise twice a day and it's unbelievable how effective this is. I'm only playing american grip and aim for consistency and endurance, I can't go fast at all but in 4 days I added 10bpm (from 70 to 80) and the consistency of the stroke skyrocketed. This exercise is really giving me the time to focus on how the left hand feels and getting it up to speed to the right hand. Amazing!
Awesome! It is a game changer for sure... It just makes me a little nervous when a beginner talks about American grip. It’s easy to do that wrong. Please just watch that form and stay relaxed. If you have a private teacher show him/her to make sure your form is good to avoid injury. Let me know how it goes. I’d love to hear about it!
@@Thedrummersalmanac yes, I go to a teacher once a week so I have someone who keeps an eye on my form. I also played the piano for many years so I can spot tension in arms, shoulders and wrists. Out of curiosity what grip would you suggest to learn first? Thank you so much
@@teidenzero I would recommend the Natural Germanic form... then a slow switch to American over time. I still do my pad work in the German form. Generally Americanized on the kit.
Good question. Great answer. I really like that you talked about and demonstrated the difference in sound & feel between the techniques. I've watched a lot of drum tutorial videos on hand/stick technique and you're the first one to talk about it. And it's pretty important if you're a working drummer playing different styles of music.
Thanks for your kind words, Mike... that means the world to me. Yeah, with technique, you always have to think of the end result, which is "how will this feel when I'm performing it live?" So many players are so wrapped up in technique that guilty of not doing that.
@@Thedrummersalmanac - Yes and I think it's b'cuz many players are only interested in technique for the purpose of playing faster. This is the 1st video of yours I've seen and you quickly & easily earned a like & subscribe!
this is great, i have a friend whos new into drums and im trying to get him into improved technique and this is definitely the most clear video i have found!
my compliments towards you, very clear and good explanation, very , very, very good, even i am playing drums for about 45 years i still learn a lot of things on youtube, this one is really a good clear one, thank you very much dude
Wow, I always considered myself a shit drummer because I couldn't ever go passed 80 BPM. I did those exercises every day this week and my 90 BPM is almost effortless!
Great great lesson Jay ... bringing up some vital techniques. Your quote "The more technique you have the more tools you have in your tool shed to express yourself comfortably" ... is Awesome. One of my all time favorite grooves growing up as a young teen was "I Keep forgettin' " by Michael McDonald .. the drummer was the great Jeff Porcaro. In the groove he plays one handed 16th notes throughout. It's nowhere near 120 bpm .. it's only 95 bpm but so smooth.
Thanks John... 95bpm is nothing to balk at... I used to hold down the groove to "Kiss Of Life" by Sade'... to practice endurance.. which is also at 95, I believe. It's a workout. especially lefty!
@@johndiraimo1444 Totally, I think my whole young education about learning to work with a rhythm section came from Sade's band. I could do a whole lesson series just on 'Sweetest taboo' and 'No Ordinary Love.'
Hi Jay. I found your video really informative. I have been playing drums for a living for 20 plus years and i have used all 3 of these techniques at one time or another. I also use fingers/finger control as well. Here is something i thought you would be interested in. If i have to play 16ths on the bell of the ride cymbal i was finding it a little hard to control the stick on the bell. The stick sometimes would bounce away from the bell. After thinking about this and experimenting what i did was instead of angling my ride cymbal i made the ride cymbal flat and lowered it a bit to where it almost resembled a hi hat. Sure enough when i went to play 16ths on the ride and bell i didn't have any problem controlling the stick. The reason why i did this is i didn't have a problem playing one handed 16ths on the hi hat and i think playing down into the cymbal made my arm relax. I figured if it works on the hats why not the ride? Songs like Tarkus from Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Green Grass and high times by the Outlaws have quick constant 16th note ride cymbal. On Green Grass after the 2nd verse there is a long 8th note ride cymbal pattern but then there is a long consistent 16th note ride pattern. By making this adjustment i have no problem playing these patterns. Thank you again for posting this video up and i would like your opinion on this. Anthony L.
The In Tune Show ...Hey Anthony. Great comment. And I am all about changing your set up to accommodate your form. All to often I see drummers just set up drums and cymbals in awkward position because they either don’t think about it... or worse... they think it looks cool. If you have found a way to position your ride cymbal to work better for your form then that is the key to any technique. Also If you are using a lot of rebound, then a flatter surface will always be more responsive. Good for you man! I’d love to check out your playing if you have any vids.
Your video is very informative. When I first started, it was more out of curiosity -- and quickly found that I didn't have to use my arm all the time -- instead, I found I could play must faster and accurately by manipulating my fingers and controlling the "bounce back"; and never told anyone that I was "cheating" :) esp. for songs that didn't need that full on punchy sounds.
Great lesson Jay. I kind of lost track of you till this popped up. Another valuable in depth lesson. Back when I learned the Nellie groove “Hot in Herre”, I still think you had the best teaching system going and I worked on every one of those lessons. Always useful information , well done.
buddyrichable1 Wow that video is going back a while. Thank much the kind words and for tracking me down again! Stay in touch... I play on rolling out tons of new lessons.
Thanks for checking out the video. I am curious to see some of your results... pop in from time to time and let me know how it's going. I'd love to hear about it.
Well explained video. Todd Sucherman teaches a variation on the push/pull that's more of an in/out. He describes it as the motion of shooting pool. I guess it all depends on which method gives you the sound you're looking for in a given situation.
Absolutely. I love Todd's playing... and his teachings. Every person I've seen do the push/pull seems to do it slightly differently. I say, look at everyone's take and then do whatever you have to do to make it work for you...
Great lesson and comparative elaboration. Reminder to all who practice.... don’t forget the BREATHE. May sound silly, but I’ve learned that lesson. This video illustrates how a great passes on knowledge without ego. Well done indeed. Skillfully presented.
Thanks Deano... and Breathing is one of those things, that a lot of drummers forget to do. Holding your breath comes from tension... and deprives your muscles of oxygen while you are playing... which brings more tension. Good point! Thanks again for being here.
I like the way you put the lesson together. Todd Sucherman explains his approach in terms of a in-and-out motion. This could be another avenue to explore. The lines between this techniques are not at all sharp, meaning you can easily morph from one to the other even between sections of the same song.
Absolutely... there is never just one way... take from as many people as you can find and make your own way that works for you. Being able to shift gears is crucial.
Thank you, My friend... I've been taking a break from youtube while since I've been renovating my new drum studio... but I am just about ready to start with new lessons again so keep in touch!
nice tutorial. I am working on a song that needs 1 hand 16ths . I have been looking at the techniques I can apply here and this was a good reminder that in fact I can muscle it out, but im going to need to build it up. I have been using Moeller to start learning the song. Good Stuff
I thought it was a good lesson - I've not really seen many lessons that compare the different techniques on the hi-hat, and how they could be applied in different musical settings. Often people will just demonstrate how to play something just using their preferred technique. I'm interested how these different techniques translate to shuffle patterns on the hi-hat. I've seen different people apply so many different techniques (particularly when it comes to the half time shuffle) and each one gives a subtle difference in terms of dynamics and gets a different lope out of it (as Jeff Porcaro would put it). I've never personally liked using push/pull technique on the hi-hat as it requires some rebound to work - so generally has to be played on the top of the hi-hat where there is more rebound. This gives a lighter touch, and doesn't create the same sort of sound like digging in to the side of the hi-hat does. I prefer to use a 'Moeller two' technique (as you put it), which becomes very subtle and condensed into the wrist as it speeds up - it doesn't need as much rebound to work.
Thanks for checking out the video, Ben. The shuffle obviously has a different feel since you are swinging the 8th notes... but it does employ a lot of the same techniques. For example you can do a pull-pull shuffle if the tempo is really fast... but the more common way to do it is the pull out with the wrist. Maybe I can address that for you in a future lesson.
Wow Jamie... I could do a whole video around that question. Of course, toms have less rebound, so you need to be more physical when you move to a tom... and the bigger the tom, the more physical you need to be. Overall, things like Stick Control exercises from George L Stone's book, are great for developing that, because it focuses on getting you in and out of each sticking "feeling." As far as doubles on the toms... practicing pull/outs to really strengthen your doubles will help with the toms. Once you have that, you should be able to execute fast doubles on any service regardless of bounce.
Mário Lindberg ...thank you sir. That depends on how strong your doubles are... but I would agree. When the tempo is faster, doubles have their own sound.
Very well explained 👏🏻 I avoid technique #1 as it has injured my hand/wrist multiple times as you also said it takes a lot of muscle repetitions. Molar 2 works best for me😊
I'm glad I found your channel!!. Drums...either you got it..or you don't. Developing proper playing techniques is sooo very crucial to learning and understanding drums and the drum set. I'm a hobby drummer that discovered he has taught himself incorrectly over time. Music has always been easy for me.....its when life gets involved....thats when it becomes difficult. The drums have always centered me and brought me back. Discovering vids like yours inspires n drives me to practice correctly!!!!. Tyvm!!!!!...am a sub now and look forward to more vids!!👍👍
Thanks for checking out the video and for your kind words. I truly appreciate it and welcome to the TDA community! If you wanna delve deeper... I have a really cool challenge on my website, that I think would really help you, in your situation (being self-taught)... and it's totally free. To check it out, go to thedrummersalmanac.com and join the mailing list, you'll get instant access to the challenge. It's a 10-video test, should take you around 20 minutes to complete... and it will really help you get on the right track. Let me know if you decide to take it and what you think.
Great video..I'll use it to help develop 16th notes with one hand. I have a CD by King Crimson..'King Crimson USA' which is a live album recorded around 2002. On one tune: 'Asbury Park': the drummer Bill Bruford is playing a steady 16th note ostinato on closed hi-hats and cross-stick backbeats on 2 and 4, which means he's playing the hi-hat 16ths with one hand. Tempo is about 92 bpm. I've had trouble keeping up steady 16ths with one hand at that tempo, so I'll try following the exercises on this video to see if that helps. Thanks great video.
Thanks for sharing!... that's a great example. I was talking to another guy on this thread... He mentioned "I Keep forgettin' " by Michael McDonald (Jeff Porcaro on drums) ...My "tune" back in the day was 'Kiss Of Life' by Sade' About 95 on the metronome. I love how we all have "That one song."
Can somebody help me the Moeller pumping motion is it better to use an index fulcrum or the middle finger folk from I find you have more bounce with the middle finger more control with the index could somebody just let me know what's better are more common
mike r ...I don’t think either is more common. It’s more of a preference thing. I personally default to the middle finger for most technique, but there are situations where I still use the index. If you are looking for it to work better with one over the other, that’s really a matter of practice. I’ve seen guys do it great with both fulcrums.
That's a complicated answer... I actually have a whole lesson on the Natural germanic form... but it was only available to my subscribers on my main email list. I will release that lesson series again if you wanna get on my email list at thedrummersalmanac.com... but in a nutshell, you want to start with a natural form... not necessarily a comfortable form. As far as fingers, I am a fan of developing each fulcrum against the thumb individually. Index+thumb middle+thumb ring+thumb and pinky+thumb... I also think of each muscle group in your fingers, wrists and arms as gears like in a car or bicycle. Each group is utilized for different things and you should be able to move across them fluidly.
thedrummersalmanac that would be great. I would like to see that particular lesson. I have been drumming for a long time and just kind of lived with some flaws in my playing. Now I am at the point of “screw it” learn to do it right. In particular is my left hand with double strokes. I can get a nice rebounded roll, but when it comes to a nice controlled roll without relying so much on rebound, the wheels fall off. The same can be said for very fast single stroke rolls..... I like what your saying about the finger control and I have been specifically working on left hand finger dexterity and coordination with the thumb. Tougher than I thought. Enjoy your teaching style and enthusiasm. Thanks very much.
I really like the accent every four beats methods. Being blessed with broad shoulders I have always managed quite well muscling it out and with not great technique. So - with years of doing it wrong - the up and down motion every strike was very difficult for me. Whereas the energy of one strike equally three more bounces is much easier to execute.
Hey! I almost didn’t recognize you by face! It is crazy how much time has flown by since your “Spain” video. I discovered that video at a time when I was really trying to develop some of the concepts that you demonstrated so well in that performance (clean, open, fluid, rolls across the kit being one of the obvious ones from that particular video). That must have been at least a decade ago, right? Crazy.... Anyway, great lesson man!! Appreciate you sharing your insight and advice.
Ha... didn’t even realize I did that. I’m sure I can put something together for you. Stay tuned! Maybe, I can do something quick on Instagram or TikTok for ya. What’s you instagram screen name?
Would Moeller 2 be similar technique to the shank tip method? It is used by Todd Sucherman and others. The pumping motion seems similar. Thanks, this was great overview.
Michael Amira Ya know... I have never heard of the shank tip method... I will be sure to check it out ad get back to you. Thanks for the comment... I love learning new stuff!
Deth Meddl That’s why most of them don’t make any progress in developing technique during tours. The music is static so they can’t vary in tempo and exercises. Most of the skill developing by pro’s happens off stage, in the remaining 1400 minutes of the day.
i know who can do 140+ BPM with one hand for about 2-3 or even 5 minutes. his name is Ramon Montagner of Brazil. he right now practices with 2 drumsticks with one hand, but his right hand alone, he can easily do 160-180 BPM while he's practically asleep. he's i think about twice as fast as JoJo Mayer. See him on RUclips. I ain't lying. He's beyond amazing and incredible. My opinion. Ramon Montagner, push & pull technique labeled "Crazy Speed"
pnsmexico I love Ramon’s playing. I subscribe to his channel. He doesn’t have enough subs in my opinion. Truly amazing player. He has some of the most developed push/pull I have ever seen. I’d love to pick his brain about that. I still don’t think he could muscle out 16ths with one hand at 140bpm. With push/pull... easily... but just muscling is a very different thing. If you find a vid of him doing something like that, I’d love to see and be happy to be proven wrong... because he is a beast!
@@Thedrummersalmanac right on. I hyperbolized to get someone's attention and get him some views, but i didnt know it'd be the channel's author himself! Yeah, i knew exactly what you said, but didnt want to under credit Ramon's incredible push/pull & double stick ability. And you sir, you are a great teacher and so sincere! Thank you for such informative and honest video! I'll be watching all of your vids!
I stumbled onto this video coincidental to something I'm going to need to woodshed soon... so I thought I'd look. At some point, I am going to need to "teach" myself to belt-out +100BPM 16th-notes on a semi-open hihat for Van Halen's "Mean Streets". It became clear to me upon a more critical examination that Alex Van Halen is absolutely single-handing those 16ths and you can hear it playing-through each snare backbeat. I got some practicing to do! :) EDIT: I had considered doing alternating L+R sticking, but tripple'ing-up on the left hand for the R-hand snare backbeat, but I'd rather learn "the right way". :) No shortcuts.
You can definitely get it there! …I remember, for me it was “Kiss of Life” by Sade.’ Keeping the 16ths against a cross stick through the entire tune while maintaining the groove, was a bear!
@@Thedrummersalmanac - difference is, you're a good drummer. I am a hack who never took lessons, and an "old dog" resistant to learning new tricks. :) Peace
@@hsfinlayson age doesn’t matter… it’s all about nurturing the habit. I have some students in my app that are in their 70s and still doing this stuff, every day. You got this, my man!
Very helpful. Thank you that you stress that some styles come with physical power. You only know If you have to play against those 4x12s. And these are not beat measures 😅
Thank you thank you thank you for this video!! I'm a new drummer. The way you explain things here will definitely help me work through some techniques that will make me a better drummer! ps: this is the first video I've watched from you. I am now a subscriber. You did a great job for a person who relies on the visuals. :D
i cam never get that push pull technique down and it bugs me. lots of people have told me to let the stock bounce when playing 16th notes and never knew what they meant cuz there was never any "bounce" from my sticks
I teach ~45 students on a weekly basis and describing these techniques to them has always been a challenge because I hadn't yet thought of a solid set of exercises to differentiate. Subscribed instantly.
Stephen Utterback so glad I could help! Steal it, use it, teach it ...make it your own, my brotha.
finally, yt recommendation knows what i really need
It’s weird that the RUclips gods decided to start pushing this vid. In any case... so glad it landed on your page! Welcome.
Hey all... I added an "endurance chart" download link in the description... for those of you who were requesting that.
been drumming over 50 years,,thanks for making sense and not showing off
Chuckie Drums thanks for checking it out!
I agree. This teacher is so humble. And I'm not even a drummer hahahah
I died
Any advice ? I'm been drumming for almost one year,.
@@lrngMathcom would listen to jazz and just explore the world of drumming with websites like drumeo and that guy. Also try to play jazz licks and fills could be really progressive.
Really nice instruction, no wasted self indulgent staging at all, just really generous. Thanks!!!
Lucas Rooney Im glad you dug it, Lucas. Thanks for checking it out.
I am a beginner, I have been playing for not even 6 months. I'm on day 4 of doing this exercise twice a day and it's unbelievable how effective this is. I'm only playing american grip and aim for consistency and endurance, I can't go fast at all but in 4 days I added 10bpm (from 70 to 80) and the consistency of the stroke skyrocketed. This exercise is really giving me the time to focus on how the left hand feels and getting it up to speed to the right hand. Amazing!
Awesome! It is a game changer for sure... It just makes me a little nervous when a beginner talks about American grip. It’s easy to do that wrong. Please just watch that form and stay relaxed. If you have a private teacher show him/her to make sure your form is good to avoid injury. Let me know how it goes. I’d love to hear about it!
@@Thedrummersalmanac yes, I go to a teacher once a week so I have someone who keeps an eye on my form. I also played the piano for many years so I can spot tension in arms, shoulders and wrists. Out of curiosity what grip would you suggest to learn first? Thank you so much
@@teidenzero I would recommend the Natural Germanic form... then a slow switch to American over time. I still do my pad work in the German form. Generally Americanized on the kit.
@@Thedrummersalmanac thank you
This comment is now 3 years old! Do you still play drums?
Good question. Great answer. I really like that you talked about and demonstrated the difference in sound & feel between the techniques. I've watched a lot of drum tutorial videos on hand/stick technique and you're the first one to talk about it.
And it's pretty important if you're a working drummer playing different styles of music.
Thanks for your kind words, Mike... that means the world to me. Yeah, with technique, you always have to think of the end result, which is "how will this feel when I'm performing it live?" So many players are so wrapped up in technique that guilty of not doing that.
@@Thedrummersalmanac - Yes and I think it's b'cuz many players are only interested in technique for the purpose of playing faster.
This is the 1st video of yours I've seen and you quickly & easily earned a like & subscribe!
Mike Connors ... I truly appreciate that. Welcome to the community!
this is great, i have a friend whos new into drums and im trying to get him into improved technique and this is definitely the most clear video i have found!
The introduction first minute showed mastered thee techniques….very motivating. Thanks.
You have by far taken to number 1 spot for me as the best teacher on youtube.
my compliments towards you, very clear and good explanation, very , very, very good, even i am playing drums for about 45 years i still learn a lot of things on youtube, this one is really a good clear one, thank you very much dude
Thank you very much! I am so glad you dug the lesson. Thanks for letting me know.
Wow, I always considered myself a shit drummer because I couldn't ever go passed 80 BPM. I did those exercises every day this week and my 90 BPM is almost effortless!
Nice!!! Yeah, those exercises are life-changing. Glad I could help you 😉 Feel free to spread the love!
i dont even play drums but i love 16th notes on the hihat. Too much groove with them rnb vibez
So much to learn. Me that is. I've played for a number of years and still learn something new every time I watch one of these videos.
Great great lesson Jay ... bringing up some vital techniques. Your quote "The more technique you have the more tools you have in your tool shed to express yourself comfortably" ... is Awesome.
One of my all time favorite grooves growing up as a young teen was "I Keep forgettin' " by Michael McDonald .. the drummer was the great Jeff Porcaro. In the groove he plays one handed 16th notes throughout. It's nowhere near 120 bpm .. it's only 95 bpm but so smooth.
Thanks John... 95bpm is nothing to balk at... I used to hold down the groove to "Kiss Of Life" by Sade'... to practice endurance.. which is also at 95, I believe. It's a workout. especially lefty!
@@Thedrummersalmanac .... that's a great tune to woodshed with Jay. She has a bunch of similar tunes in her repertoire that would work as well.
@@johndiraimo1444 Totally, I think my whole young education about learning to work with a rhythm section came from Sade's band. I could do a whole lesson series just on 'Sweetest taboo' and 'No Ordinary Love.'
A great lesson that breaks down the various methods available for playing 16th notes with one hand - FAST! Nice work.
ShKott Rendezvous I’m glad you dug it! Thanks for the comment.
90,000 views! Thank you everyone... I am truly humbled...
Wow! You are a fantastic instructor! This video is solid stuff. Thanks! I'm going to practice my one handed 16th notes right now.
Thank you... and AWESOME!! Go do that. 😃
@@Thedrummersalmanac Could you apply this video to triplets, e.g (Rosanna, Fool in the Rain) or is the technique a a little different?
@@onebadhombre7158 Yes you can... It's a very similar technique... The straight 8ths are just in swing time when you do a shuffle.
Hi Jay. I found your video really informative. I have been playing drums for a living for 20 plus years and i have used all 3 of these techniques at one time or another. I also use fingers/finger control as well. Here is something i thought you would be interested in. If i have to play 16ths on the bell of the ride cymbal i was finding it a little hard to control the stick on the bell. The stick sometimes would bounce away from the bell. After thinking about this and experimenting what i did was instead of angling my ride cymbal i made the ride cymbal flat and lowered it a bit to where it almost resembled a hi hat. Sure enough when i went to play 16ths on the ride and bell i didn't have any problem controlling the stick. The reason why i did this is i didn't have a problem playing one handed 16ths on the hi hat and i think playing down into the cymbal made my arm relax. I figured if it works on the hats why not the ride? Songs like Tarkus from Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Green Grass and high times by the Outlaws have quick constant 16th note ride cymbal. On Green Grass after the 2nd verse there is a long 8th note ride cymbal pattern but then there is a long consistent 16th note ride pattern.
By making this adjustment i have no problem playing these patterns. Thank you again for posting this video up and i would like your opinion on this. Anthony L.
The In Tune Show ...Hey Anthony. Great comment. And I am all about changing your set up to accommodate your form. All to often I see drummers just set up drums and cymbals in awkward position because they either don’t think about it... or worse... they think it looks cool. If you have found a way to position your ride cymbal to work better for your form then that is the key to any technique. Also If you are using a lot of rebound, then a flatter surface will always be more responsive. Good for you man! I’d love to check out your playing if you have any vids.
I will be having my first drum workshop this coming nov at our church. This is a big help for me!!! Thankyou!!!!
This dude is good....wish my teachers were this good 50 yrs ago and had utube.
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Great breakdown of the various techniques and a good process on how to get results.
Thanks David. Glad you dug it.
Your video is very informative. When I first started, it was more out of curiosity -- and quickly found that I didn't have to use my arm all the time -- instead, I found I could play must faster and accurately by manipulating my fingers and controlling the "bounce back"; and never told anyone that I was "cheating" :) esp. for songs that didn't need that full on punchy sounds.
James ... the faster you go, the less you need to move. 👍🏻
Great lesson Jay. I kind of lost track of you till this popped up. Another valuable in depth lesson. Back when I learned the Nellie groove “Hot in Herre”, I still think you had the best teaching system going and I worked on every one of those lessons. Always useful information , well done.
buddyrichable1 Wow that video is going back a while. Thank much the kind words and for tracking me down again! Stay in touch... I play on rolling out tons of new lessons.
This is a unique lesson. Learned some new practice ideas!
Thanks for checking out the video. I am curious to see some of your results... pop in from time to time and let me know how it's going. I'd love to hear about it.
Well explained video. Todd Sucherman teaches a variation on the push/pull that's more of an in/out. He describes it as the motion of shooting pool. I guess it all depends on which method gives you the sound you're looking for in a given situation.
Absolutely. I love Todd's playing... and his teachings. Every person I've seen do the push/pull seems to do it slightly differently. I say, look at everyone's take and then do whatever you have to do to make it work for you...
Most usable video lesson I've come across. Wow, thanks for this J
Matt Musician X ...you are most welcome.
I've come to learn this after watching Louis Cole fast single hi-hat ghost note on his short video. Great help
Great lesson and comparative elaboration. Reminder to all who practice.... don’t forget the BREATHE. May sound silly, but I’ve learned that lesson. This video illustrates how a great passes on knowledge without ego. Well done indeed. Skillfully presented.
Thanks Deano... and Breathing is one of those things, that a lot of drummers forget to do. Holding your breath comes from tension... and deprives your muscles of oxygen while you are playing... which brings more tension. Good point! Thanks again for being here.
I had a brother who forgot to breath... I'm an only child now
@@ancientmonkey5327 damn... that's dedication if you suffocate yourself while playing drums...
@@Thedrummersalmanac hahh
Tom-Tom Tom agreed... it makes you subconsciously tense up.
I like the way you put the lesson together. Todd Sucherman explains his approach in terms of a in-and-out motion. This could be another avenue to explore. The lines between this techniques are not at all sharp, meaning you can easily morph from one to the other even between sections of the same song.
Absolutely... there is never just one way... take from as many people as you can find and make your own way that works for you. Being able to shift gears is crucial.
Very nice lesson. Don't know why anyone would give this a thumbs down.
Me neither!!! Especially since the dude in the video is so good looking. lol... Thanks for checking it out.
I know why I’m watching...
This guys on it Thanks for sharing the love of 16
Great lesson Great instructing
Thanks Tim!
Great player, great teacher, very knowledgeable!
Thank you kindly!
this was a really high quality, thorough lesson on high hat!
Thank you, My friend... I've been taking a break from youtube while since I've been renovating my new drum studio... but I am just about ready to start with new lessons again so keep in touch!
nice tutorial. I am working on a song that needs 1 hand 16ths . I have been looking at the techniques I can apply here and this was a good reminder that in fact I can muscle it out, but im going to need to build it up. I have been using Moeller to start learning the song. Good Stuff
Great lesson/ideas! I remember getting frustrated trying to build up my speed when I first started drumming....practice, practice and more practice :)
That what it is... brick by brick...
Exactly what i needed
Very good teacher first time I've seen him
Thanks James... and welcome to the channel.
Absolutely great and in depth video. Wow.
Thank you Cole
I don't even know why I'm waching this, I don't play drums
JimMasterGaming maybe it’s a sign that you should start!
Yeah start with drumming its great
Coaches don't play
There is a drummer inside of you wanting to be released.
@@markdemell3717 @thedrummersalmanac maybe you're right! Who knows...
This guy has a great attitude. Subbed.
Ha! Im glad you mentioked Trè Cool! He's the only reason I want to hit the hi-hat that fast!
Thanks. Great lesson. Keep it up.
reyverlie santos thank you 🙏
Thanks for posting. Googled this because my guitar player wants me to learn some punk!
I saw push pull technique. immediately i like =)
Janez Bond it’s a great technique... I still have a ling way to go with mine.
@@Thedrummersalmanac U took time and wrote a reply on "silly" comment? Hats off man. True dude..
@@janezbond4136 lol... I try to reply to everyone. ...and looking at that reply, apparently, I have a "ling" way to go with my typing skills.
Ian Paice has a pretty mean one handed roll too.
Reck Tumz he sure does
I thought it was a good lesson - I've not really seen many lessons that compare the different techniques on the hi-hat, and how they could be applied in different musical settings. Often people will just demonstrate how to play something just using their preferred technique. I'm interested how these different techniques translate to shuffle patterns on the hi-hat. I've seen different people apply so many different techniques (particularly when it comes to the half time shuffle) and each one gives a subtle difference in terms of dynamics and gets a different lope out of it (as Jeff Porcaro would put it). I've never personally liked using push/pull technique on the hi-hat as it requires some rebound to work - so generally has to be played on the top of the hi-hat where there is more rebound. This gives a lighter touch, and doesn't create the same sort of sound like digging in to the side of the hi-hat does. I prefer to use a 'Moeller two' technique (as you put it), which becomes very subtle and condensed into the wrist as it speeds up - it doesn't need as much rebound to work.
Thanks for checking out the video, Ben. The shuffle obviously has a different feel since you are swinging the 8th notes... but it does employ a lot of the same techniques. For example you can do a pull-pull shuffle if the tempo is really fast... but the more common way to do it is the pull out with the wrist. Maybe I can address that for you in a future lesson.
Underrated content.
I appreciate that... thank you
Thank you for your uploads
Excelente aula!!! Apesar da diferença linguística, ainda assim consegui entender tudo. Obrigado Professor!
I hope this comes out right... Você é muito bem-vindo! Obrigado por conferir o vídeo!
What method do you use for single or double stroke fills around the toms? Thanks in advance
Wow Jamie... I could do a whole video around that question. Of course, toms have less rebound, so you need to be more physical when you move to a tom... and the bigger the tom, the more physical you need to be. Overall, things like Stick Control exercises from George L Stone's book, are great for developing that, because it focuses on getting you in and out of each sticking "feeling." As far as doubles on the toms... practicing pull/outs to really strengthen your doubles will help with the toms. Once you have that, you should be able to execute fast doubles on any service regardless of bounce.
Wow...thank you nice lesson!!!!
Carlos Diaz thank for checking it out, Carlos
Omg I really love this video! Great job and keep up the good work! :)
Thanks,Freya... I just checked out your channel. Good stuff... I need to start getting in shape again.
When someone doubles to get faster, it does not sound the same! Awesome video! Thnx!
Mário Lindberg ...thank you sir. That depends on how strong your doubles are... but I would agree. When the tempo is faster, doubles have their own sound.
Very well explained 👏🏻 I avoid technique #1 as it has injured my hand/wrist multiple times as you also said it takes a lot of muscle repetitions. Molar 2 works best for me😊
I'm glad I found your channel!!. Drums...either you got it..or you don't. Developing proper playing techniques is sooo very crucial to learning and understanding drums and the drum set. I'm a hobby drummer that discovered he has taught himself incorrectly over time. Music has always been easy for me.....its when life gets involved....thats when it becomes difficult. The drums have always centered me and brought me back. Discovering vids like yours inspires n drives me to practice correctly!!!!.
Tyvm!!!!!...am a sub now and look forward to more vids!!👍👍
Thanks for checking out the video and for your kind words. I truly appreciate it and welcome to the TDA community! If you wanna delve deeper... I have a really cool challenge on my website, that I think would really help you, in your situation (being self-taught)... and it's totally free. To check it out, go to thedrummersalmanac.com and join the mailing list, you'll get instant access to the challenge. It's a 10-video test, should take you around 20 minutes to complete... and it will really help you get on the right track. Let me know if you decide to take it and what you think.
Great lesson
Thank you!
Good stuff! Can't wait to finally play blast beats hehee
TheSunMoon -get to it... you’ll be blazing before you know it.
Great video..I'll use it to help develop 16th notes with one hand. I have a CD by King Crimson..'King Crimson USA' which is a live album recorded around 2002. On one tune: 'Asbury Park': the drummer Bill Bruford is playing a steady 16th note ostinato on closed hi-hats and cross-stick backbeats on 2 and 4, which means he's playing the hi-hat 16ths with one hand. Tempo is about 92 bpm. I've had trouble keeping up steady 16ths with one hand at that tempo, so I'll try following the exercises on this video to see if that helps. Thanks great video.
Thanks for sharing!... that's a great example. I was talking to another guy on this thread... He mentioned "I Keep forgettin' " by Michael McDonald (Jeff Porcaro on drums) ...My "tune" back in the day was 'Kiss Of Life' by Sade' About 95 on the metronome. I love how we all have "That one song."
Marky Ramone played 16th notes for the Ramones entire sets i believe
Can somebody help me the Moeller pumping motion is it better to use an index fulcrum or the middle finger folk from I find you have more bounce with the middle finger more control with the index could somebody just let me know what's better are more common
mike r ...I don’t think either is more common. It’s more of a preference thing. I personally default to the middle finger for most technique, but there are situations where I still use the index. If you are looking for it to work better with one over the other, that’s really a matter of practice. I’ve seen guys do it great with both fulcrums.
@@Thedrummersalmanac alright thank you so much I'm going to practice both ways as I've been doing thank you for all the videos bro
Hi! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a question. What technique would you use for Georgy Porgy by Toto?
great video and great channel😀👏 greetings from Norway 🇳🇴
Per-einar Skog thanks so much for the comment. I appreciate that!
Insane vid bro...very explanatory...
John Baisden Thanks John... glad you dug it
I would be interested to hear your personal philosophy on finger/ hand position. Especially concerning speed. Thanks
That's a complicated answer... I actually have a whole lesson on the Natural germanic form... but it was only available to my subscribers on my main email list. I will release that lesson series again if you wanna get on my email list at thedrummersalmanac.com... but in a nutshell, you want to start with a natural form... not necessarily a comfortable form. As far as fingers, I am a fan of developing each fulcrum against the thumb individually. Index+thumb middle+thumb ring+thumb and pinky+thumb... I also think of each muscle group in your fingers, wrists and arms as gears like in a car or bicycle. Each group is utilized for different things and you should be able to move across them fluidly.
thedrummersalmanac that would be great. I would like to see that particular lesson. I have been drumming for a long time and just kind of lived with some flaws in my playing. Now I am at the point of “screw it” learn to do it right. In particular is my left hand with double strokes. I can get a nice rebounded roll, but when it comes to a nice controlled roll without relying so much on rebound, the wheels fall off. The same can be said for very fast single stroke rolls..... I like what your saying about the finger control and I have been specifically working on left hand finger dexterity and coordination with the thumb. Tougher than I thought. Enjoy your teaching style and enthusiasm. Thanks very much.
Awesome video! Thanks for the tips :)
I know there are tons of ways to develop those fast 16th notes... Do you have a favorite way?... Let's talk about it.
No but it took me 2 seconds to realize that you drew the thumbnail
@@JimmysDonuts Well, I drew on it...
Brilliant video! Thank you!
Thanks for that! Much appreciated
I really like the accent every four beats methods. Being blessed with broad shoulders I have always managed quite well muscling it out and with not great technique. So - with years of doing it wrong - the up and down motion every strike was very difficult for me. Whereas the energy of one strike equally three more bounces is much easier to execute.
Hey! I almost didn’t recognize you by face! It is crazy how much time has flown by since your “Spain” video. I discovered that video at a time when I was really trying to develop some of the concepts that you demonstrated so well in that performance (clean, open, fluid, rolls across the kit being one of the obvious ones from that particular video). That must have been at least a decade ago, right? Crazy....
Anyway, great lesson man!! Appreciate you sharing your insight and advice.
Yup that video was done in 2006! ...it is crazy how time flies!!! Thanks for staying with me all these years.
Hi, could you teach that small stick trick you do at 7:42?
Discovering your channel now, quality content I have to say!
Ha... didn’t even realize I did that. I’m sure I can put something together for you. Stay tuned! Maybe, I can do something quick on Instagram or TikTok for ya. What’s you instagram screen name?
@@Thedrummersalmanac axelisnotdead
Thanks man!
This is a skill that most drummers fail at. Nate Smith and James Gadson are a perfect example of how it's used
Darius Moghaddam agreed... I’ve always been a big fan of the Gadson school.
Would Moeller 2 be similar technique to the shank tip method? It is used by Todd Sucherman and others. The pumping motion seems similar.
Thanks, this was great overview.
Michael Amira Ya know... I have never heard of the shank tip method... I will be sure to check it out ad get back to you. Thanks for the comment... I love learning new stuff!
@@Thedrummersalmanac look up Styx dinner, Todd Sucherman he explains it very well.
Michael Amira I will certainly check that out... maybe it’ll lead to another video.
Very useful and illuminating video, new follower here! Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻🥁
Thanks so much for checking it out, Kelly. Stay tuned... I got a ton more coming out.
This is really helpful! I’m trying to play Bob Dylan’s Dignity - there’s a version with sixteenths that is played one handed. It’s a good workout!
I wasn't familiar so checked it out. It's actually a 6 feel, so he's playing 16th note triplets. Sort of a shuffle feel. Very interesting.
Death Metal drummers do what you talk everyday for 40 mins on tour
Deth Meddl That’s why most of them don’t make any progress in developing technique during tours. The music is static so they can’t vary in tempo and exercises. Most of the skill developing by pro’s happens off stage, in the remaining 1400 minutes of the day.
Agree - Nils Fjellstrom being a stellar example of this
Ramones did it for 32 songs, at an hour about with no breaks almost everyday for 22 years
But what about us mere mortals?
@@rackaid14 hell yeah dude
Good video mr Pesci!
Joe Pesci is actually an amazing Jazz vocalist!
@@Thedrummersalmanac I didn't know that. Just thought your voice sounded alike. Great video by the way. Really enjoyed it!
i know who can do 140+ BPM with one hand for about 2-3 or even 5 minutes. his name is Ramon Montagner of Brazil. he right now practices with 2 drumsticks with one hand, but his right hand alone, he can easily do 160-180 BPM while he's practically asleep. he's i think about twice as fast as JoJo Mayer. See him on RUclips. I ain't lying. He's beyond amazing and incredible. My opinion. Ramon Montagner, push & pull technique labeled "Crazy Speed"
pnsmexico I love Ramon’s playing. I subscribe to his channel. He doesn’t have enough subs in my opinion. Truly amazing player. He has some of the most developed push/pull I have ever seen. I’d love to pick his brain about that. I still don’t think he could muscle out 16ths with one hand at 140bpm. With push/pull... easily... but just muscling is a very different thing. If you find a vid of him doing something like that, I’d love to see and be happy to be proven wrong... because he is a beast!
@@Thedrummersalmanac right on. I hyperbolized to get someone's attention and get him some views, but i didnt know it'd be the channel's author himself! Yeah, i knew exactly what you said, but didnt want to under credit Ramon's incredible push/pull & double stick ability. And you sir, you are a great teacher and so sincere! Thank you for such informative and honest video! I'll be watching all of your vids!
pnsmexico thank you... look forward to hearing more from you.
Really cool nice job thankyou
Great informative video! Thanks!
MrPhantom95 thanks for checking it out!
Such a great video. I practice on an edrum kit, with a rubber hi hat, does that make the Moeller technique harder to practice ?
Thank you so much, I’ve been trying to do 16th notes, you’re amazing 😁🥁
You’re welcome. Thanks for checking it out!
Excellent lesson! I recommend drumming to Maceo Parker’s “Uptown”, or Michael Jackson’s “I Wanna Be Where You Are”.
Those are great!!! 👍🏻
Alwsys a great lesson here . Thank you ..
I use the louis cole and I use the other end of the stick to play the other half of the 16ths so it feels like exaggerated 8ths
Willow Sparks thats a good trick!
thedrummersalmanac yeah - you can see him use it about 50 seconds into this vid ruclips.net/video/lj10_Br86iI/видео.html
I stumbled onto this video coincidental to something I'm going to need to woodshed soon... so I thought I'd look. At some point, I am going to need to "teach" myself to belt-out +100BPM 16th-notes on a semi-open hihat for Van Halen's "Mean Streets". It became clear to me upon a more critical examination that Alex Van Halen is absolutely single-handing those 16ths and you can hear it playing-through each snare backbeat. I got some practicing to do! :)
EDIT: I had considered doing alternating L+R sticking, but tripple'ing-up on the left hand for the R-hand snare backbeat, but I'd rather learn "the right way". :) No shortcuts.
You can definitely get it there! …I remember, for me it was “Kiss of Life” by Sade.’ Keeping the 16ths against a cross stick through the entire tune while maintaining the groove, was a bear!
@@Thedrummersalmanac - difference is, you're a good drummer. I am a hack who never took lessons, and an "old dog" resistant to learning new tricks. :) Peace
@@hsfinlayson age doesn’t matter… it’s all about nurturing the habit. I have some students in my app that are in their 70s and still doing this stuff, every day. You got this, my man!
Very helpful.
Thank you that you stress that some styles come with physical power. You only know If you have to play against those 4x12s. And these are not beat measures 😅
Excellent vid. Thanks.
Thank you!!! glad you liked it.
Good lesson.
Thank you thank you thank you for this video!! I'm a new drummer. The way you explain things here will definitely help me work through some techniques that will make me a better drummer!
ps: this is the first video I've watched from you. I am now a subscriber. You did a great job for a person who relies on the visuals. :D
NA R thank you so much for watching and for subbing... and welcome to the community! I so glad it helped you.
Have you checked Anderson paak's tiny desk show?
That guy is incredible! Onehand 16ths while singing like an angel. Awesome drummer.
I will certainly have to check that out
Wanna play Everlong but those 16th notes on the HH at 158bpm are a killer.
R B Dave totally uses two hands for that one, my friend. I hope that helps :-)
@@Thedrummersalmanac Ahahah! I guess I need 3 then :P
@@RB-os3tc Lol
i cam never get that push pull technique down and it bugs me. lots of people have told me to let the stock bounce when playing 16th notes and never knew what they meant cuz there was never any "bounce" from my sticks
Shit sticks
It's tough... i still work on it... Everyone has a little different technique with it.
This is great instructions, so good for getting faster HiHat
Good Stuff. Thanks brother
great teacher
Amazing
Thank you! Glad you dug it.
Great job
Good stuff!
Thanks!
Thankyou great job
Thank you, Bob! I'm glad you dug it.