20years of drumming and still learning. After struggling for so long I came to this open close stuff you’re teaching. The beginners who watch this video, you guys are lucky.
Same for me with the learning aspect. I've been drumming since I was 9. Now I'm 58. And I'm learning from a KID! That's pretty awesome though! Keep doing what you do Dimitri! We all love it!
I did this when I began practicing without really knowing what I was doing then I went to lessons and they told me I was doing it wrong and showed me the other method. I didn't give a fuck though and continued playing like that, it's much more comfortable.
I learned this from my drum teacher over 40 years ago. She called it the power bounce because you can make the second stroke louder than the first if desired. It’s better than using only fingers because you play with definition and enough power for a mic to pic up. Some fast finger only control needs triggered to add enough volume.
i just graduated high school and have been playing consistently for about 8 months i can’t wait to use this thank you so much! i will continue to watch your videos!
I was taught like this as well and it's probably one of the best resources when it comes to any technique on the drums. I think my teacher got it mostly from Dave Weckl but this video explains it in much more detail. I will definitely use it with my students.
Starting with the snare drum head this guy uses....Remo coated with controlled sound dot underneath, he knows what to do in order to achieve optimum sound and efficiency playing. For several decades I found that snare drum heads never stayed in tune and eventually physically affected my playing efficiency. Until I started using that identical snare drum head he uses with dot underneath, because it holds together the elastistity of the drum head over time and saves your hands and wrists from over exertion.
Brand new drummer here. I've watched a dozen grip videos that left me frustrated and dejected. This is the first useful and encouraging one. Thank you.
Thanks! You're a phenomenal player AND teacher. If you tube was around with YOUR lessons on there 40 years ago when i started playing it would have been an absolute game changer! Very happy to have found you now that im starting to play again after a 30 year hiatus. Thank you immensely for doing these videos.
This open-close technique is explained in detail by Gordy Knudtson since more than a decade ago and probably there are previous methods that use it. As he explains, bounce control in conventional technique already involves some measure of open-close movement. He just makes it more deliberate and systematic in its applications. Everyone should check his materials on his website and YT channel. Very valuable and not expensive at all. On the other hand, push-pull IS A VERY VALUABLE TECHNIQUE. Check first, Jojo Mayer’s “Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer” vol. 1 for an initial explanation, and then Ramon Montagner’s videos and, above all, his Rhythmic Imagination, Push-Pull method to see the amazing extent to which push-pull technique can be developed. Ramon is changing the world of drumming.
As a drummer I've practiced and practiced and this video really helped me out. Thank you my friend. Also, I've been playing drums for five years now soon to be six.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Perfectly clear and helpfull. 10:30 I love it. So opposed to what we can hear elsewhere. "What do you do when you perfectly do it? Guess what: don't go faster!" Masterclass!
Good stuff! I first learned about this technique from Gordy Knudsen's PASIC clinic in 1999. I continue to work on it and apply it to my playing. Super versatile and effective technique.
that open/close is what I thought push/pull was definitely helped my doubles but I wish I could use it for other applications that's what I found interesting in this video, just subbed!
Nice! I’ve always called it “drop/ catch” when teaching it. Totally different than “push pull”. Nice to know other drum teachers are aware of evenness with double/ other notes. I dig your content man🤙🏼 keep up the good work. Edit, I show a different index finger placement but very similar to your approach. Still, fluid of movement and efficiency.
I never was able to do the push pull thing well or anything that slightly resembled it. As a matter of fact, I had to watch this video twice just to realize, how I was so far off on my bad habit. I tried different ways to try to incorporate the method in this video. But even after watching a third time and attempting a dozen more fails, I decided to slow video down to 1/4 of it original speed. I still failed a few more attempts but untill I tried the opening the hand on the rebound, I was finally grasping the difficulty in how akward it felt to do it correctly. Even though I could barley do it at a quarter of the speed, I kept at it. I am slowly starting to be able to adapt to this new method. It is going to be a major improvement in my playing. Thank you abundantly for sharing. Awesome technic!
Benn drumming for 25 years and never learned this (nor have I ever heard of "push pull" before today on that note) - I feel like I IMMEDIATELY went up a level when I tried this. Thank you sir. Will definitely check out your other videos and materials.
Not to toot my horn at all I unintentionally started doing this years ago as a kid when playing rock band, high level top 100 leaderboard level… some may think it’s just a video game but if you want to hit high level rolls and fills perfectly you have to learn good technique because you either hit the “notes” or not and to 100% you have to play 64th and beyond rolls perfectly. I eventually could roll without fatigue by doing this exact technique, without moving my arms. Thanks for reteaching me I am getting an e kit in a couple days! I don’t think I would’ve remembered to do this. It’s been many years…
I have been learning wrist-only strokes recently, and found myself doing this naturally. Which makes sense I guess, because even when doing wrist-only strokes, the fingers are supposed to stay lose, which means they would open/close at least a little bit. Hopefully I am not on the wrong track, haha. Great video by the way.
I think II does this technique a lot I’m self teaching myself off him and realise this is how I’ve been holding my sticks off watching him. Seeing someone break it down is really useful. Thank you!
Interesting fact when I saw on social media a guy doing the push pull technique and he taught me how to do it I started doing this technique thinking it was push pull and now I have I somewhat developed.
Just watched this the other day. Ive been a metal drummer for years but ive really been neglecting rudiments and more technical stuff really until the past couple years. Ive been doing that adaptive buzzroll and breaking that habit is probabably gonna take me months of practice to to get that muscle memory out. Shouldve taken lessons when i had the chance to!
A lot of people commenting on this being push/pull, but I'd argue a big difference between open/close and push/pull is actually the lifting motion after the second stroke. Practicing open/close means practicing not just open first stroke and then close stroke with a lift, but also all open and all close strokes. This makes the lifting motion a separate part of the stroke compared to push/pull which is more like a 3 stroke Moeller without the 2nd stroke. Moeller and push/pull comes more from the arm and wrist while open/close is basically all finger. Just my silly thoughts. :)
Well I can Argue that Finger Movement is done by wrist. See the T-rex posture of the hand he demonstrated , and you will see all fingers open by default. then you pull the Wrist up . all fingers close. So is it a Finger movement or is a wrist twitch ? or is it Both ??
@ As always when it comes to physical mastery it all comes to a point where it starts to blur the lines and everything more or less becomes a hybrid of all the knowledge and skill we've accumulated. :) I think to clearly define what is push/pull and open/close we have to look at the lifting motion and whether it's a part of the stroke or something that's being doing by a separate movement. In push/pull you're actively using the rebound to prepare for the next downward motion, in open/close you're not and the lifting is an active motion although you may find that the rebound is helping you in that motion. Push/pull is like dribbling a basketball, open/close is like hitting a ping pong ball. I'm not gonna comment which of these techniques Dimitri is using, but I can tell you they FEEL very different to actually play.
Great lesson Dimitri. As a longtime teacher, I'd say this splits the difference between a rigid push-pull technique and something else, in a good way. But's it's close in my opinion. The interesting thing to me is the index finger having such an idle roll. The fulcrum essentially switches to the thumb and middle finger, as opposed to how beginners all learn (thumb and index). 🤔
Just started learning drums 2 days ago. So, without any bad habits to overcome, steps 1-3 were easy with no wrist movement. I still can’t drum though… ;)
Im glad I saw this because I've always played like this. I thought I was doing something wrong because I could never learn the push pull. Just feels unnatural. Plus when I play my sound is always clean and crisp, but noticed some people that do the push pull usually have that sound you mentioned.
ive started playing a drumming game recently, and having been healing from tendinitis, i think ive naturally had this tensionless and least impactful mindset coming into it.
if by blast beat you mean a gravity blast, I learned that from my teacher also in my first lesson! ... but back then it was called the freehand technique, my teacher was friends with Johnny Rabb who invented it! I only learned people called it a gravity blast recently!
@@DimitriFantini Yeah I got the terms confused, blast beats include other parts of the kit, but require to know gravity blasts. That's a very interesting coincidence that you were taught by a friend of its inventor haha
I'm almost 4 months into drums and I was already doing this, I thought it was the natural Evolution of the push pull, I started doing this practicing on the pad to take care of my technique and work on fluency rather than speed, best advise is to buy a pad and use it straight for a week
An old guy taught me how to play drums, he gave me his kit when he retired. He put a snare drum in front of me and told me LEARN THIS the rest will come. He taught me just play MAMA - DADDA - MAMA-DADDA OVER AND OVER getting slowly faster until you can do a really fast roll. My father was also a drummer in the army so he also showed me loads.
Great technique and video. Im new and I’m giving this a whirl but I’m struggling to achieve the bounce that you get on the open using a practice pad. I’ve only just started learning drums though.
Amazing video, love your concept and it makes total sense, thank you! Also, what is that practice pad that you have ? Is it home made or is it actually a brand and where can we purchase it? Best…
I've actually been kinda doing this lately. Kinda figured it out myself but you're technique is slightly different. I'll have to give it a try next time I'm at the kit. I'll probably get this fairly easily... Hopefully! Looks good!
Sub Earned! You will be my main go to when it comes to show people what the motions should feel and be like! (On additional Note , I think that some techniques are just half formed techniques of play stop , to other techniques that have constant motion . With the case of Push pull and Open Close with hands , being simular to Slide and Heel/toe on the feet . With Constant Motions you kinda use both and to make leaps and break bounds of human capabilities in the extremes. But Now I am Getting nerdy and out of topic xD)
im so confused what is going on i practiced holding the stick like he said and i tried hitting the snare and nothing happened like my fingers didnt extend. then i tried to force it to see what it was supposes to look like and the stick fell out of my hand what am i doing wrong
People should learn Moeller technique and utilize rebound. Buy Jojo Mayer video for some extra tips. Also practice accenting the second note of double strokes like thomas lang.
Push - pull was attributed to Buddy Rich, I believe. I could never get it to work for me. I think it was bogus. Your variation is both interesting a patently instictive, I'l work on it. I've always played matched grip as you demonstrate, and also use bundled rods, which requires a slight variation. TY
I have the weirdest grip, I hold the stick between my index and middle finger (right hand only) and somehow still use this technique, I thought it was a side effect of how I was holding the sticks till today
I saw the josh Merhar video a few weeks ago which I believe he calls it drop catch, but he has a exercise where you take all your fingers off but the back 3 fingers and you drop and bounce it and catch the rebound. It really teaches you control with those back fingers because you have to keep them on the stick the whole time. Do you think that exercise is beneficial for this as well? Do you know what video I’m referring to? It actually comes on as the next video after yours. Because a lot of the comments are not seeing the difference but I do and I’ve noticed that I was slipping in into French grip a lot doing that push pull. I only noticed this because working through stick technique I have tried to basically be practicing everything in German grip Palms down or at least American grip slight angle
To me, its the same thing as push pull. The subtle difference between using the thumb to push the stick versus allowing the stick to push your fingers open is too moot of a point, too subtle for there to be any significant difference between the two definitions. Whether you call it open close or push pull doesn't really matter because at the end of the day its the same mechanics. A wrist to produce the first stroke, and fingers to produce the second stroke. When utilizing 2 muscle groups to perform 2 actions we gain greater efficiency and consistent control over double strokes. To take it a step further, it isn't simply a one dimensional pull with the fingers. You can still perform a rebound double as described in the video as "High school band" Doubles while still keeping fingers on the stick, thereby increasing or decreasing the desired volume of the 2nd stroke. Perhaps you intentionally want the 2nd stroke to be a little softer? Perhaps you want it louder? The same? The key principle is that after the first stroke, everything is controlled inside the hand by the fingers.
This is a good complement to learn Gordy Knudson technique thanks! Would you really 0:02 recommend it for 16th on charley around 100-110bpm vs moehler technique?
I see, thank for your answer (I saw afterward that you already answered to similar question sorry). For Get down (Anderson Park) for instance, I can’t imagine how this technique could suit compared to Moeller. Also difficult for me to imagine how both can be combined as wrist mouvement looks opposite
Wait, how does this technique differ from a NORMAL double? It feels like this is the technique I've been using since I began practising doubles, 16th shuffle, and fast swing ride, and it's really easy to control the individual volume.
it depends on what you mean by a "normal" double. If this is your default technique as you say, than you are in really good shape! Importantly, without rebound you'll likely want to do doubles with pure wrist strokes, not this technique.
20years of drumming and still learning. After struggling for so long I came to this open close stuff you’re teaching. The beginners who watch this video, you guys are lucky.
Same for me with the learning aspect. I've been drumming since I was 9. Now I'm 58. And I'm learning from a KID! That's pretty awesome though! Keep doing what you do Dimitri! We all love it!
Nonsense
same here. 40yo.
haha are you saying I’m a kid? 😂
@@DimitriFantini Take it as a compliment. You're teaching this old dog new tricks. :)
This simple detail turned out to be what was holding me back for almost ten years.
Im a 71 yr old self taught drummer, gigging out since 8th grade. Can't wait to try this. Sooo many bad habits.
Hell yeah you got this!!!
Great to hear from another fellow Geezer with Gear. This cat has the goods this is the Rosetta Stone go for it.
Started teaching myself drums a month ago, this comment section has me excited to see what the video contains!!
I am a self taught drummer. I´ve used this technique withour really knowing. It just feel natural. First time I see an explanation. Really good!!!
love to hear it!!!
Yeah, I was following along, and I was like I already do this lol
I was just about to comment this 😂 I've always drummed like this. I never even knew people were learning techniques to hold the drum sticks 😅
I did this when I began practicing without really knowing what I was doing then I went to lessons and they told me I was doing it wrong and showed me the other method. I didn't give a fuck though and continued playing like that, it's much more comfortable.
If you had a relaxed grip like this and a teacher had you tighten up, I hope you stopped going to that teacher!
This is one of the best/thorough ways I’ve seen someone teach this. Fantastic video!
Glad it was helpful!
I started playing exactly 1 week ago and I'm making progress thanks to you
Incredible! That makes very happy!
I learned this from my drum teacher over 40 years ago. She called it the power bounce because you can make the second stroke louder than the first if desired. It’s better than using only fingers because you play with definition and enough power for a mic to pic up. Some fast finger only control needs triggered to add enough volume.
Outstanding! I've yet to hear some one teach drums so well . Great work...
i just graduated high school and have been playing consistently for about 8 months i can’t wait to use this thank you so much! i will continue to watch your videos!
You are going to make amazing progress!
I’ve been looking for a lesson like for a long time. Thank you. Legend
I was taught like this as well and it's probably one of the best resources when it comes to any technique on the drums. I think my teacher got it mostly from Dave Weckl but this video explains it in much more detail. I will definitely use it with my students.
that would make me so happy if this video helps them!
Best doubles instruction I have ever seen on YT. Thanks bro.
ah thanks so much Joel!
Let the stick do as much work as possible.
love how you teach. been a HUGE help to me
That makes me so happy to hear, cheers Alex!
I wish I had known this when I first started drumming. Nice job Dimitri!
You are an excellent teacher! Your students are lucky to have you.
Out of regular teacher ! - This guy is great. Thanks for the lessons.
Starting with the snare drum head this guy uses....Remo coated with controlled sound dot underneath, he knows what to do in order to achieve optimum sound and efficiency playing. For several decades I found that snare drum heads never stayed in tune and eventually physically affected my playing efficiency. Until I started using that identical snare drum head he uses with dot underneath, because it holds together the elastistity of the drum head over time and saves your hands and wrists from over exertion.
Awesome video. I've never had great technique (easy to see in my vids) so your channel has been a blessing on overcoming years of bad habits.
happy to help!
I teach a craft. I can tell when I encounter another someone who is in the mastery stage of theirs because the confidence is resonant. Nicely done!
Thanks!
Thank you!
Brand new drummer here. I've watched a dozen grip videos that left me frustrated and dejected. This is the first useful and encouraging one. Thank you.
Thanks! You're a phenomenal player AND teacher. If you tube was around with YOUR lessons on there 40 years ago when i started playing it would have been an absolute game changer! Very happy to have found you now that im starting to play again after a 30 year hiatus. Thank you immensely for doing these videos.
You're very welcome Jeff! Glad you are here!
This open-close technique is explained in detail by Gordy Knudtson since more than a decade ago and probably there are previous methods that use it. As he explains, bounce control in conventional technique already involves some measure of open-close movement. He just makes it more deliberate and systematic in its applications. Everyone should check his materials on his website and YT channel. Very valuable and not expensive at all. On the other hand, push-pull IS A VERY VALUABLE TECHNIQUE. Check first, Jojo Mayer’s “Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer” vol. 1 for an initial explanation, and then Ramon Montagner’s videos and, above all, his Rhythmic Imagination, Push-Pull method to see the amazing extent to which push-pull technique can be developed. Ramon is changing the world of drumming.
Now This is the perfect tutorial. Thanks so much.
You're very welcome!
As a drummer I've practiced and practiced and this video really helped me out. Thank you my friend. Also, I've been playing drums for five years now soon to be six.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Perfectly clear and helpfull.
10:30 I love it. So opposed to what we can hear elsewhere. "What do you do when you perfectly do it? Guess what: don't go faster!"
Masterclass!
I really really mean it!! Don’t go faster!
You are one of thee best teacher.
Good lesson thanks
Thanks for sharing. Congratulations.
Thanks for watching!
Good stuff! I first learned about this technique from Gordy Knudsen's PASIC clinic in 1999. I continue to work on it and apply it to my playing. Super versatile and effective technique.
Got my drum kit today! Thanks for my first lesson and let’s go
lesson one should be my free technique fundamentals course... do that first before this!
This is a great technique! It opens up a whole new easier way of playing all the drums and symbols. I love it!!
this is pure gold my dude. you’re amazing ❤
you’re the best Sarab!!!!!
very well taken apart! thank u for ur time and sharing..
I'm teaching this exact technique to a beginner right now. Great and important video, thanks!
that open/close is what I thought push/pull was definitely helped my doubles but I wish I could use it for other applications that's what I found interesting in this video, just subbed!
Yes it’s very useful all over the place!
Nice! I’ve always called it “drop/ catch” when teaching it. Totally different than “push pull”. Nice to know other drum teachers are aware of evenness with double/ other notes. I dig your content man🤙🏼 keep up the good work. Edit, I show a different index finger placement but very similar to your approach. Still, fluid of movement and efficiency.
i love how you can explain things using simple words like trex and sock puppets 😁
I never was able to do the push pull thing well or anything that slightly resembled it. As a matter of fact, I had to watch this video twice just to realize, how I was so far off on my bad habit. I tried different ways to try to incorporate the method in this video. But even after watching a third time and attempting a dozen more fails, I decided to slow video down to 1/4 of it original speed. I still failed a few more attempts but untill I tried the opening the hand on the rebound, I was finally grasping the difficulty in how akward it felt to do it correctly. Even though I could barley do it at a quarter of the speed, I kept at it. I am slowly starting to be able to adapt to this new method. It is going to be a major improvement in my playing.
Thank you abundantly for sharing. Awesome technic!
Benn drumming for 25 years and never learned this (nor have I ever heard of "push pull" before today on that note) - I feel like I IMMEDIATELY went up a level when I tried this. Thank you sir. Will definitely check out your other videos and materials.
Not to toot my horn at all I unintentionally started doing this years ago as a kid when playing rock band, high level top 100 leaderboard level… some may think it’s just a video game but if you want to hit high level rolls and fills perfectly you have to learn good technique because you either hit the “notes” or not and to 100% you have to play 64th and beyond rolls perfectly. I eventually could roll without fatigue by doing this exact technique, without moving my arms. Thanks for reteaching me I am getting an e kit in a couple days! I don’t think I would’ve remembered to do this. It’s been many years…
ayyyyeee lets go learning from rock band!! ganggg
@ ANY DAY dude, rock band turned me into a different person!
Thanks
thank you so so much!
I have been learning wrist-only strokes recently, and found myself doing this naturally. Which makes sense I guess, because even when doing wrist-only strokes, the fingers are supposed to stay lose, which means they would open/close at least a little bit. Hopefully I am not on the wrong track, haha.
Great video by the way.
I think II does this technique a lot I’m self teaching myself off him and realise this is how I’ve been holding my sticks off watching him. Seeing someone break it down is really useful. Thank you!
Who? II?
@@Odthean drummer for sleep token...get on drumeo and watch him shred...
@@brandonkain686 you mean Adam Pedder? I’m not clued in on their lore or stage names. Yea he’s aight
Man you have one of the best videos on this topic I have seen here. Mind if I send you a quick video to see if I am practicing this right?
Could you please do a part 2 of the technique for “left hand traditonal grip” please? Loved the video, congrats!!
3:20 gyaadd danggg! That snare sounded sooo good
Interesting fact when I saw on social media a guy doing the push pull technique and he taught me how to do it I started doing this technique thinking it was push pull and now I have I somewhat developed.
Just watched this the other day. Ive been a metal drummer for years but ive really been neglecting rudiments and more technical stuff really until the past couple years. Ive been doing that adaptive buzzroll and breaking that habit is probabably gonna take me months of practice to to get that muscle memory out. Shouldve taken lessons when i had the chance to!
Nice, good technique this. I have heard this called several names over the years, guess drum nomenclature has a way to go yet. 🙂
A lot of people commenting on this being push/pull, but I'd argue a big difference between open/close and push/pull is actually the lifting motion after the second stroke. Practicing open/close means practicing not just open first stroke and then close stroke with a lift, but also all open and all close strokes. This makes the lifting motion a separate part of the stroke compared to push/pull which is more like a 3 stroke Moeller without the 2nd stroke. Moeller and push/pull comes more from the arm and wrist while open/close is basically all finger.
Just my silly thoughts. :)
Well I can Argue that Finger Movement is done by wrist. See the T-rex posture of the hand he demonstrated , and you will see all fingers open by default. then you pull the Wrist up . all fingers close. So is it a Finger movement or is a wrist twitch ? or is it Both ??
@ As always when it comes to physical mastery it all comes to a point where it starts to blur the lines and everything more or less becomes a hybrid of all the knowledge and skill we've accumulated. :)
I think to clearly define what is push/pull and open/close we have to look at the lifting motion and whether it's a part of the stroke or something that's being doing by a separate movement.
In push/pull you're actively using the rebound to prepare for the next downward motion, in open/close you're not and the lifting is an active motion although you may find that the rebound is helping you in that motion.
Push/pull is like dribbling a basketball, open/close is like hitting a ping pong ball.
I'm not gonna comment which of these techniques Dimitri is using, but I can tell you they FEEL very different to actually play.
primarily it’s from the fingers… and then when the stick strikes the drum the rebound carries the wrist back up :)
Thank you very much.
Great lesson Dimitri. As a longtime teacher, I'd say this splits the difference between a rigid push-pull technique and something else, in a good way. But's it's close in my opinion. The interesting thing to me is the index finger having such an idle roll. The fulcrum essentially switches to the thumb and middle finger, as opposed to how beginners all learn (thumb and index). 🤔
Just started learning drums 2 days ago. So, without any bad habits to overcome, steps 1-3 were easy with no wrist movement. I still can’t drum though… ;)
2 days! That’s fantastic welcome to the drums!
Im glad I saw this because I've always played like this. I thought I was doing something wrong because I could never learn the push pull. Just feels unnatural. Plus when I play my sound is always clean and crisp, but noticed some people that do the push pull usually have that sound you mentioned.
ive started playing a drumming game recently, and having been healing from tendinitis, i think ive naturally had this tensionless and least impactful mindset coming into it.
This is exactly the video I needed, at the exact moment I needed it :)
The way you explain how to do it reminds me of the first steps to get a blast beat, just with a lot less strengh
if by blast beat you mean a gravity blast, I learned that from my teacher also in my first lesson! ... but back then it was called the freehand technique, my teacher was friends with Johnny Rabb who invented it! I only learned people called it a gravity blast recently!
@@DimitriFantini Yeah I got the terms confused, blast beats include other parts of the kit, but require to know gravity blasts.
That's a very interesting coincidence that you were taught by a friend of its inventor haha
It’s a small world! And it was even smaller 25 years ago 😝
Always have problems with doing rolls on the snare difficult to control the rebound
Such a great lesson!
Thanks for sharing
thanks ❤
Brilliant! 😮😮😮
This is fantastic
I'm almost 4 months into drums and I was already doing this, I thought it was the natural Evolution of the push pull, I started doing this practicing on the pad to take care of my technique and work on fluency rather than speed, best advise is to buy a pad and use it straight for a week
Great video. I tried to get the free technique guide but it never sent.
An old guy taught me how to play drums, he gave me his kit when he retired. He put a snare drum in front of me and told me LEARN THIS the rest will come. He taught me just play MAMA - DADDA - MAMA-DADDA OVER AND OVER getting slowly faster until you can do a really fast roll. My father was also a drummer in the army so he also showed me loads.
I subscribed! Very happy.
Thank you a million
it really helped me. thank you
Really Amazing explaination.Thank you
Great technique and video. Im new and I’m giving this a whirl but I’m struggling to achieve the bounce that you get on the open using a practice pad. I’ve only just started learning drums though.
How about triple stroke
Complete beginner and tried this yesterday. Big thanks for sharing. Great video. Today I have sore shoulders ;-). Any idea of what I am doing wrong?
yes, you're tensing up your shoulders!
This is exactly same as push pull?
Been wondering why my double strokes sounded so uneven. I'ma try this rn!!!
@ 6:18, I would avoid this in newer relationships, in fact I would suggest waiting until marriage.
Amazing video, love your concept and it makes total sense, thank you! Also, what is that practice pad that you have ? Is it home made or is it actually a brand and where can we purchase it? Best…
Can you explain how to do this with the opposite hand for those of us using traditional grip?
I've actually been kinda doing this lately. Kinda figured it out myself but you're technique is slightly different. I'll have to give it a try next time I'm at the kit. I'll probably get this fairly easily... Hopefully! Looks good!
good for u 🙄
Sub Earned! You will be my main go to when it comes to show people what the motions should feel and be like!
(On additional Note , I think that some techniques are just half formed techniques of play stop , to other techniques that have constant motion . With the case of Push pull and Open Close with hands , being simular to Slide and Heel/toe on the feet . With Constant Motions you kinda use both and to make leaps and break bounds of human capabilities in the extremes. But Now I am Getting nerdy and out of topic xD)
yes the motions for this change and feel different when they are up to speed; they are more fluid and feel even easier!
Helps to watch this at 0.25x speed. Especially form 7:40.
im so confused what is going on i practiced holding the stick like he said and i tried hitting the snare and nothing happened like my fingers didnt extend. then i tried to force it to see what it was supposes to look like and the stick fell out of my hand what am i doing wrong
People should learn Moeller technique and utilize rebound. Buy Jojo Mayer video for some extra tips. Also practice accenting the second note of double strokes like thomas lang.
Push - pull was attributed to Buddy Rich, I believe. I could never get it to work for me. I think it was bogus. Your variation is both interesting a patently instictive, I'l work on it. I've always played matched grip as you demonstrate, and also use bundled rods, which requires a slight variation. TY
I have the weirdest grip, I hold the stick between my index and middle finger (right hand only) and somehow still use this technique, I thought it was a side effect of how I was holding the sticks till today
Do you have anything to achieve the same double stroke clarity for traditional grip?
Looks like you have a moving fulcrum. Changes from the down to up positions
Is this the same technique that some call a gravity blast?
this is different - the gravity blast was originally called the freehand technique and was invented by Johnny Rabb... definitely look it up!
So it “pushes” your fingers open and then you pull them back to close your hand? But it’s not “push pull”? 🤔🤔
with “push pull” you use French grip and your thumb pushes the stick.
The names are made up anyway :)
@@DimitriFantini its push/pull my guy. no matter which grip you use. its not just french
Can you link me to the beginner videos you mentioned? Thanks
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Great teaching and technique, thanks! I do find the constant leaping about of the camera a bit too distracting though.
I saw the josh Merhar video a few weeks ago which I believe he calls it drop catch, but he has a exercise where you take all your fingers off but the back 3 fingers and you drop and bounce it and catch the rebound. It really teaches you control with those back fingers because you have to keep them on the stick the whole time. Do you think that exercise is beneficial for this as well? Do you know what video I’m referring to? It actually comes on as the next video after yours. Because a lot of the comments are not seeing the difference but I do and I’ve noticed that I was slipping in into French grip a lot doing that push pull. I only noticed this because working through stick technique I have tried to basically be practicing everything in German grip Palms down or at least American grip slight angle
im struggling to understand how to do this
To me, its the same thing as push pull. The subtle difference between using the thumb to push the stick versus allowing the stick to push your fingers open is too moot of a point, too subtle for there to be any significant difference between the two definitions. Whether you call it open close or push pull doesn't really matter because at the end of the day its the same mechanics. A wrist to produce the first stroke, and fingers to produce the second stroke. When utilizing 2 muscle groups to perform 2 actions we gain greater efficiency and consistent control over double strokes. To take it a step further, it isn't simply a one dimensional pull with the fingers. You can still perform a rebound double as described in the video as "High school band" Doubles while still keeping fingers on the stick, thereby increasing or decreasing the desired volume of the 2nd stroke. Perhaps you intentionally want the 2nd stroke to be a little softer? Perhaps you want it louder? The same? The key principle is that after the first stroke, everything is controlled inside the hand by the fingers.
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Man, this technique's got me excited as fuck... and I don't even play the drums.
This is a good complement to learn Gordy Knudson technique thanks! Would you really 0:02 recommend it for 16th on charley around 100-110bpm vs moehler technique?
It’s not a question of using this VS Moeller… they have different use cases, different dynamic shapes, and you even use both together!
I see, thank for your answer (I saw afterward that you already answered to similar question sorry). For Get down (Anderson Park) for instance, I can’t imagine how this technique could suit compared to Moeller. Also difficult for me to imagine how both can be combined as wrist mouvement looks opposite
Trad grip left hand please!
Wait, how does this technique differ from a NORMAL double? It feels like this is the technique I've been using since I began practising doubles, 16th shuffle, and fast swing ride, and it's really easy to control the individual volume.
it depends on what you mean by a "normal" double. If this is your default technique as you say, than you are in really good shape!
Importantly, without rebound you'll likely want to do doubles with pure wrist strokes, not this technique.