I don’t get all the negative comments about this. He is just trying to dissect how pro drummers flow and what they use to do it. Sure you can learn all 40 rudiments. But will that give you flow and feel? No. You actually only need a few of them and the knowledge how to combine them, orchestrate them and make them feel good. And for that there is some advice on how to do it mire efficiently. That’s what the 80/20 guy tries to do. Sure you have to put in the hard work but he never denies that. So please chill out guys and cut him some slack. He is actually one of the better drum influencers out there…for Christ sake.
NOBODY that actually knows how to play is talking trash. It's ALL people who feel inferior about their own abilities and/or are jealous because this guy actually produces content and has followers.
I'VE FINALLY FOUND YOU!! BEEN TRYING TO FIND YOUR CHANNEL FOR 2 YEARS!!! I found you during COVID... Broke my phone, wasn't logged in to RUclips so I lost ALL my subscriptions. Saw this video on another video feed today... God is good!!!
I’m playing for around 50 (fifty) years and struggle a little bit with these little moves that can lead to big flow on things like big song endings, soloing, and just improvisation in the practice shed - thanks for generously sharing helpful ideas and concepts - GREG BURROWS
Right on. For the RRL, the Beatles, Get Back is a great groove to learn for flow and when to crash with the right hand and when to crash with the left.
Bro. I been coming across your videos here and there randomly in my feed and every time I watch the video it's always killer content. This one especially blew my mind and so after finishing the video I went to subscribe and I was fully expecting to see a subscriber count of at least 1.2M and was thoroughly disgusted when I saw what it was. My friend you deserve double The view and subscriber count you currently have. I can't believe that you don't. There are so many drum channels on RUclips that put out trash content or put out a video once every 6 months and have a million subscribers for some reason. Just goes to show you how screwed up and unfair RUclips and it's users and content creators can be. This comment was supposed to be a sincere compliment and thank you for all that you do. You deserve more
Thanks for the tips, Nate. I started playing drums about a month ago, and thanks to you and others, my fills are getting smoother and feeling more natural. Thanks!
I set my kit yesterday to a standard RH setup after playing with a lefty setup for over 20yrs. In the first five minutes I found that moving around the kit was incredibly fluid--learning curve for keeping a beat in my RH and flipping my pedals not withstanding--because on an RH kit I lead with my dominant hand (LH) from the non-dominant position. Before the kiddos are old enough to play on their own, I thought it would be good to flip the kit to RH. Sure enough, both of them (three and 18mo) intuitively understood moving around the kit. It will be a long journey to re-learn playing, but it will be worth the experience.
@@BouncebacKDrumChannel Cross. Honestly, the part that makes me laugh to myself is picking up my sticks incorrectly; I play a traditional grip in my left-handed set-up. The hardest thing is the footwork.
@@stemogstel22 There are some great videos of Simon Phillips showing his open handed method. Pretty cool but it would take a while to change as I play cross stick also.
@@stemogstel22 I used to play traditional left handed grip, then I broke a small bone on the inside base of my thumb and have been playing match grip ever since.
I practice every day, hoping to be an "average" drummer, like you. Seriously though, good lesson, and I am working to incorporate these idioms into my play instead of just reverting to quick singles.
I am right handed, but play open handed on a left handed kit. This is because I got a snare, then a hats, and dealt with only those two things for several years before I ever got a full kit. I looked at those two things and thought… why cross over? I’ll just put the hats to the right. Years of doing this before I had a full kit got me in the habit of pretending a bass drum was to the left. Plus I was a Phil Collins fanatic. And the arrangement of toms from right/high to left/low made sense, as that’s how it is on a keyboard. Also made sense for American timpani setup. And all of that and a whole bunch more led to an MM. But with only one semester on kit that whole time. So I struggle with this idea of a dominant hand. For a very long time I played with my right hand on the ride to the right, and hats to the right. In recent years I’ve been able to switch and play completely left handed, but not quite to the same degree of proficiency or coordination. And when I watch so many right handed players do soooo much with their right, and the left staying at the snare drum for a good chunk of the activity, I think… is this a properly distributed model? And then that inner voice says “you idiot… why didn’t you just learn the ‘standard way’ of playing right handed on a right handed kit?” Mid life timpanist and/or orchestral percussionist seeks a kit counselor for long walks in a method book and/stern talks about coordination….
Watch Simon Phillips. You've actually learned or have taught yourself something that is actually really important and extremely handy dude , don't sweat it . Roll with . As long as it makes sense to you , why should it matter . I can't read music. As hard as I try , it's a foreign language to me and I'm 46 and actually kinda can't be fuckin bothered. But I have a natural ability to minic and learn difficult beats and can apply them to a drumkit or other percussion , the same as my dad . It frustrates my music friends and anyone who tries to teach me , but that's just how it is , has been since I was 5 years old 😂 😊 , so don't feel that theirs anything wrong, mate 😊
I play open handed as well, ride on the left of the hat. It certainly causes some issues along with advantages. Diddles are the easiest way to transfer from one leading to the other, depending on context. So some rudiments/patterns I like to start with my left (as I using them as grooves) and others, mainly fills or tom grooves, I'll start with my right. However it really does complicated things, although it does force me to be lead hand ambidextrous and to really carefully think about my stickings....which in turn makes learning vocabulary more time consuming.
@@paulyjones3966 As an open handed drummer, Philips is super interesting to watch, especially how he plays his hi-hat with an interesting stick placement to retain a good hand position for transfer to other parts of the kit
The other most important factor with moving around the kit is to remember that the wrist rotates. So reaching out to the right side means moving from German grip to French
For about 20 years, I could not integrate paradiddles or unlock my limbs from the lrlr. I was a percussionist, no problem on a djembe or congas, but put sticks in my hand and add the foot... I played in a band on kit once, and actually played a full kit WITHOUT STICKS so I could actually play the beats and throw some chops in. That hurt like hell. During COVID I found your channel and because of YOUR videos I now think about drums completely different. I can switch between l/r, up beat down beat singles doubles without thinking. I can throw in six stroke rolls and paradiddles whenever I want without thinking. Triplets? no problem. being able to separate my hands from the click and play switch has enabled me to finally play all the weird times I always wanted to learn. Bonham, is EASY to play now. I'm even playing TOOL, and RUSH from "radio" memory (playing songs I haven't heard since radio was a thing, many years ago) without practicing them first. Played Tom Sawyer the other day, FROM MEMORY, I was completely blown away that I did that. THANK YOU!!
Im glad I watched this video. I will be using these methods for now on. Very important advise in this video makes a must to not just watch but to also apply it to your practice routine.
Linear work is key to fills. I figured a lot of this out really early. Once I started trying to do my beats with the opposite hands, it started becoming more consistent. It's funny because that forced me to start fills with my off hand. Now, I can't start a fill with my main hand, it just feels wrong.
I was really happy to see him mentioned here...he doesn't get the love he deserves. I bought the album when it first debuted, and still listen to this day trying to emulate his playing.
Great . Though seeing the greats orchestrating rudiments or combos with feet . Great to listen & watch drummers like Keith Carlock & those past like Elvin , Tony , Max & BUDDY RICH. 😀
I have been listening to other tutors but he explained everything with ease. And I'm also I'm finding it difficult with my left hand Wrist movement I get tired because of that, because I can't grip it and play easily. How do I develop it to be efficient?
So the first pattern is RRL, and second RLLK. Should the first be written as RRLK to keep the groupings consistent? Edit: okay, seems thats besides the point, they are just exercises to start practising the main point which is start on the snare, and then move the left to a high tom or even hihats before moving the right. I think there’s something in this. Rudiments I’ve practised for years are suddenly rolling into each other in a way I haven’t been able to play before. Will get some more prac and send you a follow up vid with how it goes!
Im right handed in daily life. But I play the drums left-handed, on a left-handed kit. Been playing for 30+ years like this. (No open handed playing either) Just always felt more comfortable hitting the snare with my strong/dominant hand when I sat behind the kit for the first time. Even to this day if I sit behind a right-handed kit it feels backwards. I also skateboard and snowboard "goofy footed" And I won't even get into the whole "leading with your strong hand" fuckery (sounds like I said before, my right hand is my strong hand) it's odd because my right hand is so strong and fast, yet im leading around the kit with my left hand for the most part. So yeah... my brain is having fun with the independence and sticking pattern translations.
There is an amazing interview with Neil Peart, I'm sure there are tons. He talks about drumming/dancing and how you need to dance your way around the kit. He compares it to ballroom dancing and how it flows. You can totally feel when you step on your left foot....lol.
Matched grip on all the examples. You will be able to get around a set of drums easier (especially a larger set) using the matched grip. Too bad a set of drums has to have each instument (drum) placed in different locations. And, those nasty rims, always getting in the way. Why doesn't a drum co. design a "one-piece, rimless" set of drums. A one-piecer, but with different tones. Perhaps an electric set would be easiest to construct like that... You could still get rim shots off of the shell edges under a top covering, so as not to be hitting needlessly, those pesky metal rims.Too, seems drums and cymbals always "compete" for space. A new drum set design is surely needed, to better "fit" a player. The ergonomics of a standard drum set seem to hinder a player more than help. Your videos are always interesting. Thank you.
Nate, have you ever done a video - or seen any videos made on the RUclips - which describes a more "fluid" or organic approach to the question of rhythm and subdivision? Maybe I should explain more in a video-snipplet or we can take it up i a private conversation. I have a book coming out pretty soon on the subject. The short of the long is, that just as important it is to be master "rudimental" and "play within af rigid grid" and above all to lay within the music and learn the songs, there is stille yet another dimension which has to do with how subdivision may vary, what the swing-point really "is", and how different polyrhythmic patterns can be interpreted more "organic", "loose" or "fluid", without loosing the basic steady PULSE. Two drummers and notions of their playing comes to mind: One is Tony, of whom Miles is supposed to have said, that Tony plays PULSE, probably indicating, that the degree of freedom in his playing was immense, but without loosing the underlying pulse. Even more outstanding is Elvin Jones. It often sounds as if Elvin is playing "free" of pulse or meter, while he actually varies his subdivisions to a degree, where it might no longer really make sense to speak about subdivisions in the usual way. For the fun of it, I sometimes refer to this as the sound of throwing a back of potatoes out over the drums. Anybody can do this, of course, but to PLAY like that, and keep the pulse and meter intact underneath is a totally different matter. I should like to hear your take on this.
@@christiantangø-p4e Nasheet waits, Clarence Penn, tain watts to some degree. So I’ve never treated out of time playing within a pulse as its own subject, but I may have made stabs in that direction with this video - ruclips.net/video/pu1ajXPJk5s/видео.htmlsi=p2cHAZJ0Dv0FoKt2
@@8020drummer As a clarification: I dont really mean "out of time" or "out of meter" playing. What I mean is creating THE ILLUSION of playing free within an actual pulse and actual form. Elvin is probably the most extreme example. Obviously it has to do with a constant change of subdivisions, cross-and polyrhythms and syncopation which might create further "confusion".
Right, but it's really about getting out of one's own way. The easiest fix to flow is to be in the *groove,* rather than in your head. Rather than playing specific notes perfectly, playing to *groove* effortlessly. Then after mastering what you *can* play, you can better work your way up to the more difficult bits you *want* to play. Listeners don't give a crap *what* notes one plays, just how they *sound* and *feel.* That, and setting up the kit so it's easiest to get around it. Mine is like a concave surface, and I sit high enough above to conserve energy, no difficult reaching necessary.
You made a naming mistake here. That’s not Tony Royster Jr. in the clip with saxophone, Blue bass and keys. Instead, that’s Tony’s childhood friend and coo gospel chops buddy Thomas Pridgen. Saw the original today at the drum channel and I can confirm that I saw his face, that’s Thomas
I like to take what you do and not do it I believe you had a video that encouraged a left-handed person to play right set the heat to learn the way I'd like to say if you feel like you're a right-handed drummer anybody who plays left handed what's the high hat to the left my right foot on the kick drum beat to me the left foot what's the best for the kick drum and having the high hat on the right my left arm would cover the drums faster I have access to a left-handed set of golf clubs when I went to the driving range I hit the ball of Greater distance with more accuracy then I went home from right to left people who are left-handed are fresh real life Switchfoot moves better and if you dominate with your left hand put the hi-hat to the right of the bass drum if your right handed if you have a double bass pedal listen to hi hat on the left lead with your left foot double bass 2 high hats a better option for left-handed people May the force be with you Spock's RUclips channel
The reason I can't flow around the drums anymore is because I have focal dystonia. If you don't know what this is, look it up. I have very little control over my playing these days.
Not quite sure what to make of this video. Nothing here is going to hurt anyone or make them a worse drummer, but it also feels a bit.... insufficient. My big issue is that I see a few exercises that genuinely will help build facility and mobility on the rack tom. But mostly, I'm seeing ways to approach the rack tom that mitigate and hide poor mobility--such as replacing notes on the hands with notes on the bass drum preceding what would otherwise be a difficult movement. And there's a place for that, but generally, when you're trying to build mobility you want to avoid 'cheats' and force yourself to gain facility doing things the hard way. An even better, and very straightforward, approach is just, every one in awhile, to make the rack tom your main instrument. Like you're playing along to a song with a constant stream on the rack tom and using different stickings to hit figures on the other surfaces. Focus on the most difficult movements and on crossovers. Once that becomes easy, if you want to build even more facility, do more of the above after raising and/or flattening the rack tom angle. Rinse and repeat.
@@jaygee8566 I don’t understand why you would use balanced sticks with a consistent center of gravity. Sure, it might work in the short term, but it’s a really a bandaid when what you should be doing is practice with toothpicks. Play every day on pillows with toothpicks, then you won’t need the crutch of well-balanced sticks that improve your leverage. Also, practicing paradiddles is cucked. Play all strokes with your right hand? Why seek efficiency? Are you weak?
@@8020drummer Well, you wouldn't use tooth picks. Removing the weight of the sticks would give a false impression hand mobility. Obviously, baseball bats are where it's at ;) But in all seriousness, I think it's a bit of a straw man. It's not an either/or proposition. My problem is I see far too much emphasis on finding efficient ways to voice ideas, and not nearly enough on making the hard stuff efficient. I notice it in people's playing everywhere I go. I notice it in yours, and often enough in my own. On the other side of the coin, all of the greats have spent serious time on the 'hard way'. It's easier to play faster around the kit with paradiddles than it is with singles, that's true. There are a lot of patterns, that can be developed quickly, that allow for high speed with relatively low effort. Throwing in strategic double strokes or kick drum notes to give a limb a break, or allow more time to get a limb to a different position, is something you need to (or will naturally) develop. But it's also something you want to rely on as little as possible. Besides the difference and variety in sound, or that it's very easy for the patterns to become repetitive, the more developed the 'hard way' is, the stronger of a fallback you have in your pocket. If you need to rely on stringing together 'energy saving' patterns to chop out at very fast tempos, that will periodically fail you, guaranteed. Your brain will fart and your hands will turn into putty. It's not a matter of if, but of how often. On the other hand, if you can seamlessly switch to, for example, singles and crossovers at those same fast tempos, and carry that across a few bars, there's very little that you need worry about at that point. You aren't having to think to yourself, to quote Tony Williams "Gee... I hope this works!" And of course, the more efficiently you are able to do the 'strict and hard' stuff, the further you can take the 'easy and cheaty' stuff too. These things are not in opposition.
At times you may want to just sit back and analyze, not the drummer's speed and chops, but the overall feel of what they are doing. Are they chattering away or yelling at you, or maybe actually saying something meaningful? Compare Buddy rich or any of the speed demons in this video to, say, Roy Haynes or Papa Joe Jones. You might say they are the poets, and the others, in many ways, just chatter-boxes.....In this light, I might suggest adding 'Trap Drumming' to the Olympic 'Games' and see what comes of it [hint, hint]
If your name was Tom, though - 'Nice rack, Tom!' Haaaaa...'Rack 'em up, Nice rack (about a deer)/Nice rack (about a woman)/Nice rack, Dear!' (Say TO your woman)---Just trying to anesthetize you a little versus the cringing at it. A dentist may do this - pinch your cheek to distract U from the needle. 🤗😏🙂
@@dranoelhs [actually shows the actionable bit of the video 8 seconds in just to illustrate that if people still throw shade there’s literally no video that would have made them happy]
@@8020drummer nah man there's plenty of other drumming tutorial vids that i vibe with, just not this particular video i guess. i'll still check you your other uploads of course because clearly you're a great drummer and have lots to teach but i guess i was feeling impatient lmao
@@anttt7993 got to it at literally the 42 second mark. “You can just copy it from here if you want it”. If you’re upset because fully fleshing out the concept took longer 🤷♂️🤷♂️. But don’t accuse me of hiding the sausage.
@@8020drummer I'm just giving advice. People watching an 11 min video obviously want to get in there fast to the meat of the video. Otherwise they'd watch a longer more seminar-style video.
@@8020drummer you seem to have taken that aggressively. But is that not what you’re doing? Groups of rudiments around the kit? All of the drummers you mentioned in the video, that’s exactly what they say when asked about their chops. Just saying, teachers are teachers for a reason and if rudiments weren’t important then we wouldn’t be learning them. Sorry if you felt insulted!
@@8020drummer “doesn’t need a whole video” means it doesn’t need a whole video. How ELSE would I interpret it? There’s no double meaning, no need to read between the lines. I’m sorry you took it as criticism, I was just making an observation ❤️
I really don't get the point of this. There are like 40 Anglo-American standard drum rudiments that if you apply them to the drum set in all of there possible permutations such as inverting them, moving the accent, expanding and/or collapsing, playing them across different surfaces, including hats, cymbals, kick drum, you'd have better hands, limb inter-dependence, sense of time, a larger vocabulary or rhythmic phrases, better feel, time & generally have more creative "flow" because you have a deeper well of ability to draw from. Please just stop with all this "How to fix your crappy drumming w. yet another stupid quick fix idea that doesn't actually get to the root of the problem and fix it. Do the real work. There's no substitute.
@@mcsequoia5107 I don’t understand it. There are example 5 taste sensations - sweet, sour, bitter, salty, and umami. Simply mix and match and come up with flavor combinations, trading some ingredients for others, using frying pans, boiling, braising, and broiling, and over time you’ll learn to cook. The idea that people would write “cook books” on “how to learn to cook like the Thai or people in the Basque Country is personally offensive to me to the degree that I’m going to burn calories making somebody’s day appreciably worse by leaving a mean comment.”
If we all had the time to sit down and play all day then that just may be feasible but we adults have to work and finding time to learn let alone play is difficult. I'll take incremental lessons about the subject all day than to have the ramblings of some know it all telling me how he would have me do it.
The real reason you can't flow around the the drums is because you suck. You played cymbals or bass drum in marching band. Being sarcastic of course but every drummer will eventually learn how to flow around the drums assuming they have a drum set. I started in Jr. H band and I played on a rubber pad attached to a piece of wood. Then in 8th grade I got a real snare drum. In 9th grade I got a Slingerland drum set in Mahogany veneer. It was the most beautiful drum set I had ever seen. I started to practice. And I learned to flow by listening and practicing. You have to do both to find your way.
Nearly every drummer I've ever met has been cool, friendly, and excited to share ideas and their love of drums. I guess there's always exceptions, and you're one that proves the rule.
Appreciate the shout out Nate 🙏🏻 Thanks man.
You’re a beast Stan
Sick drummer mate
You rip it bro 🔥
I don’t get all the negative comments about this. He is just trying to dissect how pro drummers flow and what they use to do it. Sure you can learn all 40 rudiments. But will that give you flow and feel? No. You actually only need a few of them and the knowledge how to combine them, orchestrate them and make them feel good. And for that there is some advice on how to do it mire efficiently. That’s what the 80/20 guy tries to do. Sure you have to put in the hard work but he never denies that. So please chill out guys and cut him some slack. He is actually one of the better drum influencers out there…for Christ sake.
Well said!
👍 Agree. some individuals do not have time for instruction or inspirational direction.
NOBODY that actually knows how to play is talking trash. It's ALL people who feel inferior about their own abilities and/or are jealous because this guy actually produces content and has followers.
I'VE FINALLY FOUND YOU!! BEEN TRYING TO FIND YOUR CHANNEL FOR 2 YEARS!!! I found you during COVID... Broke my phone, wasn't logged in to RUclips so I lost ALL my subscriptions. Saw this video on another video feed today... God is good!!!
I’m playing for around 50 (fifty) years and struggle a little bit with these little moves that can lead to big flow on things like big song endings, soloing, and just improvisation in the practice shed - thanks for generously sharing helpful ideas and concepts
- GREG BURROWS
Right on. For the RRL, the Beatles, Get Back is a great groove to learn for flow and when to crash with the right hand and when to crash with the left.
the best teacher. you explain the hardest things in the easiest possible way
Bro. I been coming across your videos here and there randomly in my feed and every time I watch the video it's always killer content. This one especially blew my mind and so after finishing the video I went to subscribe and I was fully expecting to see a subscriber count of at least 1.2M and was thoroughly disgusted when I saw what it was. My friend you deserve double The view and subscriber count you currently have. I can't believe that you don't. There are so many drum channels on RUclips that put out trash content or put out a video once every 6 months and have a million subscribers for some reason. Just goes to show you how screwed up and unfair RUclips and it's users and content creators can be. This comment was supposed to be a sincere compliment and thank you for all that you do. You deserve more
Thanks for the tips, Nate. I started playing drums about a month ago, and thanks to you and others, my fills are getting smoother and feeling more natural. Thanks!
Really love you, Sir, for what you bring to the table. Don't ever think your efforts unappreciated.
I set my kit yesterday to a standard RH setup after playing with a lefty setup for over 20yrs. In the first five minutes I found that moving around the kit was incredibly fluid--learning curve for keeping a beat in my RH and flipping my pedals not withstanding--because on an RH kit I lead with my dominant hand (LH) from the non-dominant position.
Before the kiddos are old enough to play on their own, I thought it would be good to flip the kit to RH. Sure enough, both of them (three and 18mo) intuitively understood moving around the kit. It will be a long journey to re-learn playing, but it will be worth the experience.
And do you play open handed on the snare and hat or cross stick? I would think open handed would feel more natural, switching sides and all.
@@BouncebacKDrumChannel Cross. Honestly, the part that makes me laugh to myself is picking up my sticks incorrectly; I play a traditional grip in my left-handed set-up.
The hardest thing is the footwork.
@@stemogstel22 There are some great videos of Simon Phillips showing his open handed method. Pretty cool but it would take a while to change as I play cross stick also.
@@stemogstel22 I used to play traditional left handed grip, then I broke a small bone on the inside base of my thumb and have been playing match grip ever since.
Thanks Nate, I was in the process of thinking about this exact issue. Useful, thoughtful and entertaining video as usual
I practice every day, hoping to be an "average" drummer, like you. Seriously though, good lesson, and I am working to incorporate these idioms into my play instead of just reverting to quick singles.
This is a great video, it's one of my pitfalls, flowing around the drums, I need to practice this
love the idea of building up nouns/verbs/idioms for improvocabulation. never heard that before. thanks for all the ideas!
hey man, as long as you're not throwing pronouns in there you're onto something..
@@BrokePrepper😂
Just discovered your channel, I like it. Onwards!
I am right handed, but play open handed on a left handed kit. This is because I got a snare, then a hats, and dealt with only those two things for several years before I ever got a full kit. I looked at those two things and thought… why cross over? I’ll just put the hats to the right. Years of doing this before I had a full kit got me in the habit of pretending a bass drum was to the left. Plus I was a Phil Collins fanatic. And the arrangement of toms from right/high to left/low made sense, as that’s how it is on a keyboard. Also made sense for American timpani setup. And all of that and a whole bunch more led to an MM. But with only one semester on kit that whole time.
So I struggle with this idea of a dominant hand. For a very long time I played with my right hand on the ride to the right, and hats to the right. In recent years I’ve been able to switch and play completely left handed, but not quite to the same degree of proficiency or coordination.
And when I watch so many right handed players do soooo much with their right, and the left staying at the snare drum for a good chunk of the activity, I think… is this a properly distributed model? And then that inner voice says “you idiot… why didn’t you just learn the ‘standard way’ of playing right handed on a right handed kit?”
Mid life timpanist and/or orchestral percussionist seeks a kit counselor for long walks in a method book and/stern talks about coordination….
Watch Simon Phillips. You've actually learned or have taught yourself something that is actually really important and extremely handy dude , don't sweat it . Roll with . As long as it makes sense to you , why should it matter . I can't read music. As hard as I try , it's a foreign language to me and I'm 46 and actually kinda can't be fuckin bothered. But I have a natural ability to minic and learn difficult beats and can apply them to a drumkit or other percussion , the same as my dad . It frustrates my music friends and anyone who tries to teach me , but that's just how it is , has been since I was 5 years old 😂 😊 , so don't feel that theirs anything wrong, mate 😊
I play open handed as well, ride on the left of the hat.
It certainly causes some issues along with advantages. Diddles are the easiest way to transfer from one leading to the other, depending on context. So some rudiments/patterns I like to start with my left (as I using them as grooves) and others, mainly fills or tom grooves, I'll start with my right. However it really does complicated things, although it does force me to be lead hand ambidextrous and to really carefully think about my stickings....which in turn makes learning vocabulary more time consuming.
@@paulyjones3966 As an open handed drummer, Philips is super interesting to watch, especially how he plays his hi-hat with an interesting stick placement to retain a good hand position for transfer to other parts of the kit
The other most important factor with moving around the kit is to remember that the wrist rotates. So reaching out to the right side means moving from German grip to French
For about 20 years, I could not integrate paradiddles or unlock my limbs from the lrlr. I was a percussionist, no problem on a djembe or congas, but put sticks in my hand and add the foot... I played in a band on kit once, and actually played a full kit WITHOUT STICKS so I could actually play the beats and throw some chops in. That hurt like hell. During COVID I found your channel and because of YOUR videos I now think about drums completely different. I can switch between l/r, up beat down beat singles doubles without thinking. I can throw in six stroke rolls and paradiddles whenever I want without thinking. Triplets? no problem. being able to separate my hands from the click and play switch has enabled me to finally play all the weird times I always wanted to learn. Bonham, is EASY to play now. I'm even playing TOOL, and RUSH from "radio" memory (playing songs I haven't heard since radio was a thing, many years ago) without practicing them first. Played Tom Sawyer the other day, FROM MEMORY, I was completely blown away that I did that. THANK YOU!!
Thank Nate, apreciate your time and explanation
Im glad I watched this video. I will be using these methods for now on. Very important advise in this video makes a must to not just watch but to also apply it to your practice routine.
Wow! This is really helpful what i have been looking out for. thanks 80/20 am working on this asap
Thanks for the lesson. And I really like the outtakes at the end.
Hey dude. I love the clip with the tamb on the hihat. I’ve been playing around with a tamp ring on the ride! Freakin cool!
I dig it, always looking for more tools for the toolbox
I remember one of my first books was called “killer fillers”. Like Mel Bay old af. It was old when I had to learn it. Reminds me of this.
Hey I like all your material sir. I really enjoy your sticking ideas on this one. Showing the system. Very nice 👍
Linear work is key to fills. I figured a lot of this out really early. Once I started trying to do my beats with the opposite hands, it started becoming more consistent. It's funny because that forced me to start fills with my off hand. Now, I can't start a fill with my main hand, it just feels wrong.
Aaron Comess was such an inspiration for me, what a reference ❤
I was really happy to see him mentioned here...he doesn't get the love he deserves. I bought the album when it first debuted, and still listen to this day trying to emulate his playing.
Thx for sharing. Very useful information here!!!
Killer vid as always, Nate
Great . Though seeing the greats orchestrating rudiments or combos with feet . Great to listen & watch drummers like Keith Carlock & those past like Elvin , Tony , Max & BUDDY RICH. 😀
I have been listening to other tutors but he explained everything with ease. And I'm also I'm finding it difficult with my left hand Wrist movement I get tired because of that, because I can't grip it and play easily. How do I develop it to be efficient?
I'd start here - ruclips.net/video/TFEahgyDQ_8/видео.htmlsi=bn9OmatYUE4DwWBI&t=1341
Nice lesson Nate! 🥁❤️
Great as always, Thanks master
I love your vids, thank you!
Nice will try it!
Nate, keeping the sausage real for the rest of us. Cheers Nate, Daniel 🤙🏻
So the first pattern is RRL, and second RLLK.
Should the first be written as RRLK to keep the groupings consistent?
Edit: okay, seems thats besides the point, they are just exercises to start practising the main point which is start on the snare, and then move the left to a high tom or even hihats before moving the right.
I think there’s something in this. Rudiments I’ve practised for years are suddenly rolling into each other in a way I haven’t been able to play before. Will get some more prac and send you a follow up vid with how it goes!
Gracias
Im still working on the hihat/tamb bit in the opening 😂
Im right handed in daily life. But I play the drums left-handed, on a left-handed kit. Been playing for 30+ years like this. (No open handed playing either) Just always felt more comfortable hitting the snare with my strong/dominant hand when I sat behind the kit for the first time. Even to this day if I sit behind a right-handed kit it feels backwards. I also skateboard and snowboard "goofy footed" And I won't even get into the whole "leading with your strong hand" fuckery (sounds like I said before, my right hand is my strong hand) it's odd because my right hand is so strong and fast, yet im leading around the kit with my left hand for the most part. So yeah... my brain is having fun with the independence and sticking pattern translations.
Thank You 🙏 Helpful.
There is an amazing interview with Neil Peart, I'm sure there are tons. He talks about drumming/dancing and how you need to dance your way around the kit. He compares it to ballroom dancing and how it flows. You can totally feel when you step on your left foot....lol.
Mr Gadd & Mr Rich both used to tap dance 🎉
What about Damien Schmidt?
Love it!
Thanks
Matched grip on all the examples. You will be able to get around a set of drums easier (especially a larger set) using the matched grip. Too bad a set of drums has to have each instument (drum) placed in different locations. And, those nasty rims, always getting in the way. Why doesn't a drum co. design a "one-piece, rimless" set of drums. A one-piecer, but with different tones. Perhaps an electric set would be easiest to construct like that... You could still get rim shots off of the shell edges under a top covering, so as not to be hitting needlessly, those pesky metal rims.Too, seems drums and cymbals always "compete" for space. A new drum set design is surely needed, to better "fit" a player. The ergonomics of a standard drum set seem to hinder a player more than help. Your videos are always interesting. Thank you.
Quality Content!
Nate, have you ever done a video - or seen any videos made on the RUclips - which describes a more "fluid" or organic approach to the question of rhythm and subdivision? Maybe I should explain more in a video-snipplet or we can take it up i a private conversation. I have a book coming out pretty soon on the subject.
The short of the long is, that just as important it is to be master "rudimental" and "play within af rigid grid" and above all to lay within the music and learn the songs, there is stille yet another dimension which has to do with how subdivision may vary, what the swing-point really "is", and how different polyrhythmic patterns can be interpreted more "organic", "loose" or "fluid", without loosing the basic steady PULSE.
Two drummers and notions of their playing comes to mind: One is Tony, of whom Miles is supposed to have said, that Tony plays PULSE, probably indicating, that the degree of freedom in his playing was immense, but without loosing the underlying pulse.
Even more outstanding is Elvin Jones. It often sounds as if Elvin is playing "free" of pulse or meter, while he actually varies his subdivisions to a degree, where it might no longer really make sense to speak about subdivisions in the usual way.
For the fun of it, I sometimes refer to this as the sound of throwing a back of potatoes out over the drums. Anybody can do this, of course, but to PLAY like that, and keep the pulse and meter intact underneath is a totally different matter.
I should like to hear your take on this.
@@christiantangø-p4e Nasheet waits, Clarence Penn, tain watts to some degree. So I’ve never treated out of time playing within a pulse as its own subject, but I may have made stabs in that direction with this video - ruclips.net/video/pu1ajXPJk5s/видео.htmlsi=p2cHAZJ0Dv0FoKt2
@@8020drummer As a clarification: I dont really mean "out of time" or "out of meter" playing. What I mean is creating THE ILLUSION of playing free within an actual pulse and actual form. Elvin is probably the most extreme example. Obviously it has to do with a constant change of subdivisions, cross-and polyrhythms and syncopation which might create further "confusion".
I'm still waiting for one of these intros to segue into the Soprano's theme.
fast chops very COOL
i make tis from my first hour on drums .....i have 5 hour now and its helpful ;)
Great video. Subbed
It drives me insane that my floor toms aren't angled toward me but totally fine that my snare is flat
Hello, thank you for the video. May I ask you what you've got in your ears. I'd need something like that not to hurt my ears.
@@cheminphilo1646 air pods pro
I feel like the inclusion of the kick is key. It gives your hands time to breathe and move.
Love this - hilarious!!
This has to be one of the best sounding drum kits I’ve ever heard
You spelled “worst” incorrectly.😂
other drummers that plays frases like that and have awesome flow are JP Bouvett and Justin Scott
awesome vid
Is open handed drumming better aproach for a nicer flow around the drumset ?
I think so! but I'm newer to drumming so take with that what you will.
Check out Josh Eppard from Coheed!
Right, but it's really about getting out of one's own way. The easiest fix to flow is to be in the *groove,* rather than in your head. Rather than playing specific notes perfectly, playing to *groove* effortlessly. Then after mastering what you *can* play, you can better work your way up to the more difficult bits you *want* to play. Listeners don't give a crap *what* notes one plays, just how they *sound* and *feel.* That, and setting up the kit so it's easiest to get around it. Mine is like a concave surface, and I sit high enough above to conserve energy, no difficult reaching necessary.
You made a naming mistake here. That’s not Tony Royster Jr. in the clip with saxophone, Blue bass and keys.
Instead, that’s Tony’s childhood friend and coo gospel chops buddy Thomas Pridgen. Saw the original today at the drum channel and I can confirm that I saw his face, that’s Thomas
@@einarabelc5 you’re kidding right? I say it’s Thomas multiple times in the video.
you the man~!
Is that a 13” piccolo you are using?
Just realized I havent been subbed after several years... fixed that. =)
Tearing it up...
We’re do I truly start. And no what Tom is what tune
The download link does not return anything....
@@brahimiamar4471 just tested it and it worked fine for me
I like to take what you do and not do it I believe you had a video that encouraged a left-handed person to play right set the heat to learn the way I'd like to say if you feel like you're a right-handed drummer anybody who plays left handed what's the high hat to the left my right foot on the kick drum beat to me the left foot what's the best for the kick drum and having the high hat on the right my left arm would cover the drums faster I have access to a left-handed set of golf clubs when I went to the driving range I hit the ball of Greater distance with more accuracy then I went home from right to left people who are left-handed are fresh real life Switchfoot moves better and if you dominate with your left hand put the hi-hat to the right of the bass drum if your right handed if you have a double bass pedal listen to hi hat on the left lead with your left foot double bass 2 high hats a better option for left-handed people May the force be with you Spock's RUclips channel
Punctuation is such a beautiful thing. Why not use it from time to time? It would really make that long ahh text of yours much easier to read.
@@snarkylarky1 A little ironic that it has no punctuation since this is a drumming video talking about flow xD
The reason I can't flow around the drums anymore is because I have focal dystonia. If you don't know what this is, look it up. I have very little control over my playing these days.
I hate it when they hide the sausage on me! Thanks, Nate!
Should become an Olympic sport , bands seem to hold drummers back
Yes 🔥💯
No it’s because you don’t have a dw900
@@DrumsandStuff-rl2dq 🤣🤣
The real reason is my neighbors will call the cops
@@laurenfazenbaker9777 tracks
Not quite sure what to make of this video. Nothing here is going to hurt anyone or make them a worse drummer, but it also feels a bit.... insufficient.
My big issue is that I see a few exercises that genuinely will help build facility and mobility on the rack tom. But mostly, I'm seeing ways to approach the rack tom that mitigate and hide poor mobility--such as replacing notes on the hands with notes on the bass drum preceding what would otherwise be a difficult movement.
And there's a place for that, but generally, when you're trying to build mobility you want to avoid 'cheats' and force yourself to gain facility doing things the hard way.
An even better, and very straightforward, approach is just, every one in awhile, to make the rack tom your main instrument. Like you're playing along to a song with a constant stream on the rack tom and using different stickings to hit figures on the other surfaces. Focus on the most difficult movements and on crossovers.
Once that becomes easy, if you want to build even more facility, do more of the above after raising and/or flattening the rack tom angle. Rinse and repeat.
@@jaygee8566 I don’t understand why you would use balanced sticks with a consistent center of gravity. Sure, it might work in the short term, but it’s a really a bandaid when what you should be doing is practice with toothpicks. Play every day on pillows with toothpicks, then you won’t need the crutch of well-balanced sticks that improve your leverage. Also, practicing paradiddles is cucked. Play all strokes with your right hand? Why seek efficiency? Are you weak?
@@8020drummer Well, you wouldn't use tooth picks. Removing the weight of the sticks would give a false impression hand mobility. Obviously, baseball bats are where it's at ;)
But in all seriousness, I think it's a bit of a straw man. It's not an either/or proposition. My problem is I see far too much emphasis on finding efficient ways to voice ideas, and not nearly enough on making the hard stuff efficient. I notice it in people's playing everywhere I go. I notice it in yours, and often enough in my own. On the other side of the coin, all of the greats have spent serious time on the 'hard way'.
It's easier to play faster around the kit with paradiddles than it is with singles, that's true. There are a lot of patterns, that can be developed quickly, that allow for high speed with relatively low effort. Throwing in strategic double strokes or kick drum notes to give a limb a break, or allow more time to get a limb to a different position, is something you need to (or will naturally) develop.
But it's also something you want to rely on as little as possible. Besides the difference and variety in sound, or that it's very easy for the patterns to become repetitive, the more developed the 'hard way' is, the stronger of a fallback you have in your pocket. If you need to rely on stringing together 'energy saving' patterns to chop out at very fast tempos, that will periodically fail you, guaranteed. Your brain will fart and your hands will turn into putty. It's not a matter of if, but of how often.
On the other hand, if you can seamlessly switch to, for example, singles and crossovers at those same fast tempos, and carry that across a few bars, there's very little that you need worry about at that point. You aren't having to think to yourself, to quote Tony Williams "Gee... I hope this works!"
And of course, the more efficiently you are able to do the 'strict and hard' stuff, the further you can take the 'easy and cheaty' stuff too. These things are not in opposition.
flow max
Caveat!
Looks like time for some heads.
At times you may want to just sit back and analyze, not the drummer's speed and chops, but the overall feel of what they are doing. Are they chattering away or yelling at you, or maybe actually saying something meaningful? Compare Buddy rich or any of the speed demons in this video to, say, Roy Haynes or Papa Joe Jones. You might say they are the poets, and the others, in many ways, just chatter-boxes.....In this light, I might suggest adding 'Trap Drumming' to the Olympic 'Games' and see what comes of it [hint, hint]
Set up has a lot to do with it. I see so many kits set up like shit. It hinders the flow.
Cats and choppers 🐈🏍️
Great lesson, still cringing when I hear people saying “rack” tom. It’s clearly not on a rack, nor was this ever a common term until recently.
If your name was Tom, though - 'Nice rack, Tom!' Haaaaa...'Rack 'em up, Nice rack (about a deer)/Nice rack (about a woman)/Nice rack, Dear!' (Say TO your woman)---Just trying to anesthetize you a little versus the cringing at it. A dentist may do this - pinch your cheek to distract U from the needle. 🤗😏🙂
jfc takes half the video to get to the video
@@dranoelhs [actually shows the actionable bit of the video 8 seconds in just to illustrate that if people still throw shade there’s literally no video that would have made them happy]
@@8020drummer nah man there's plenty of other drumming tutorial vids that i vibe with, just not this particular video i guess. i'll still check you your other uploads of course because clearly you're a great drummer and have lots to teach but i guess i was feeling impatient lmao
Sorry, too much talk and short videos, too little practice and detailed explanations
That kick sounds fat👍🏾
Dont get me wrong, im greatfull for tge advice but this man looks like tge main villen from the first men in black
Take way too long to get to the point.
@@anttt7993 lol even when I make a point one minute in of saying “here’s the exact thing I promised” there’s always one
@@8020drummerdude a few minutes in and you still haven't gotten to the point. Being an 11 min video, this is disproportionately long of an intro.
@@anttt7993 got to it at literally the 42 second mark. “You can just copy it from here if you want it”. If you’re upset because fully fleshing out the concept took longer 🤷♂️🤷♂️. But don’t accuse me of hiding the sausage.
@@8020drummer I'm just giving advice. People watching an 11 min video obviously want to get in there fast to the meat of the video. Otherwise they'd watch a longer more seminar-style video.
This is why they tell us to learn our rudiments lmao. Don’t need a whole video if you’ve been practicing properly
link your instgram my guy. Let's see all that rudimental application in action.
@@8020drummer you seem to have taken that aggressively. But is that not what you’re doing? Groups of rudiments around the kit? All of the drummers you mentioned in the video, that’s exactly what they say when asked about their chops. Just saying, teachers are teachers for a reason and if rudiments weren’t important then we wouldn’t be learning them. Sorry if you felt insulted!
@@EthanGriffith-fl2lg how would you interpret "doesn't need a whole video"
@@8020drummer “doesn’t need a whole video” means it doesn’t need a whole video. How ELSE would I interpret it? There’s no double meaning, no need to read between the lines. I’m sorry you took it as criticism, I was just making an observation ❤️
@@EthanGriffith-fl2lg cool. I’m gonna leave this here.
I really don't get the point of this. There are like 40 Anglo-American standard drum rudiments that if you apply them to the drum set in all of there possible permutations such as inverting them, moving the accent, expanding and/or collapsing, playing them across different surfaces, including hats, cymbals, kick drum, you'd have better hands, limb inter-dependence, sense of time, a larger vocabulary or rhythmic phrases, better feel, time & generally have more creative "flow" because you have a deeper well of ability to draw from. Please just stop with all this "How to fix your crappy drumming w. yet another stupid quick fix idea that doesn't actually get to the root of the problem and fix it. Do the real work. There's no substitute.
@@mcsequoia5107 I don’t understand it. There are example 5 taste sensations - sweet, sour, bitter, salty, and umami. Simply mix and match and come up with flavor combinations, trading some ingredients for others, using frying pans, boiling, braising, and broiling, and over time you’ll learn to cook. The idea that people would write “cook books” on “how to learn to cook like the Thai or people in the Basque Country is personally offensive to me to the degree that I’m going to burn calories making somebody’s day appreciably worse by leaving a mean comment.”
Churrrch 🎉
Don't watch then Buster
Worst comment of 2024
If we all had the time to sit down and play all day then that just may be feasible but we adults have to work and finding time to learn let alone play is difficult. I'll take incremental lessons about the subject all day than to have the ramblings of some know it all telling me how he would have me do it.
Dude, too many goddam intrusive ads going on to persevere with the lesson...barely 4 mins in, and been hit with 3 already!!! Very frustrating.
@@goondocks74 how’s that my fault? Get RUclips premium, or complain to them
Bruh it's 2024, if ads on youtube are bothering you then that's a skill issue
Dirty ass drum heads
The real reason you can't flow around the the drums is because you suck. You played cymbals or bass drum in marching band. Being sarcastic of course but every drummer will eventually learn how to flow around the drums assuming they have a drum set. I started in Jr. H band and I played on a rubber pad attached to a piece of wood. Then in 8th grade I got a real snare drum. In 9th grade I got a Slingerland drum set in Mahogany veneer. It was the most beautiful drum set I had ever seen. I started to practice. And I learned to flow by listening and practicing. You have to do both to find your way.
Nearly every drummer I've ever met has been cool, friendly, and excited to share ideas and their love of drums.
I guess there's always exceptions, and you're one that proves the rule.