I watched all your videos and my build was flawless. I have no idea how everything went so smooth as this was my first build ever. L-Connect is a little janky, but once I updated firmware its working perfectly now.
yeah I am about to complete my build and trying to decide on fans now, I really like the infinity fans and I wanted to go with L connect 3 only for the possibiliy of the strimmer effects, besides the strimmer effects i don't see a big deal with lconnect, you could try signal RGB which is something I am looking into it has a lot of great cooridinnted effects but I never seen any demonstration of just strimer effects and if you can get the same effect as lconnect 3 with signal RGB with strimmers, I have a non ian li strimmer from airgoo that has tandard 5v argb and also a corsait connector for icue but I donlt think there is an adapter to connect it to a lian li strimmer control box but maybe I am wrong, I only have the 24 pin and I want a 3 x8 for the GPU as well but airgoo doesn't make one. I was thinking of getting the lian li one but it signal RGB requires you to bild your won controller from an arduino for full control also signal RGB says you should not have more than 3 or 4 fans plugged into a single lian li RGB fan controller. I woudl liek to see a video compating different effects and options for RGB strimmers specifcally, boht lian li and other generic header ones with different software aura sync, lian li and signal RGB
I actually just finished a pc with the same fans. They were ez to connect with the interlocking mechanism and the controller. You end up with a lot less cables and a cleaner build. I am glad I used the Liam Li fans. Highly recommended.
@@paulheraucourt5132 Hi. Temps are normal and the fans are very quiet. I have never hear them make noise and I sit close to the PC. In my book those fans are excellent.
Hi watched your video and it was excellent as usual. I have question for you, 1. since I am doing a 3 fan bottom, 3 side and 3 top radiator with all Uni Fans, what would be the best way to get all 3 sets of these fan speed controlled, via motherboard or Lian Li control center? 2. Is it better that the mobo controls the AIO fans or no 3. I have AORUS mobo, if controlling all fans speed via mobo, should the settings be switched from Auto to PWM on all? If its better to control fan speed via Lian Li Center, what would be the best and optimal settings to choose for the fan speeds
Thank you for the video I was hoping I'd be able to use the cable that came with my 10x set of 120s for the Corsair 1000D. But I'm guessing if I used those cables it's brick the fans they aren't the RGB versions in black.
Hey mate with lian li infinity fans if so tryna figure out if it would be compatible with the king 95 pro case in this configuration the 4 front fans would be 140mm reverse blade fans (so intake) the bottom 3 fans would be 120mm reverse blade fans (so intake) the top 3 120mm fans on the aio would be exhaust then the one on the back of the case is a exhaust curious if they could use the built in fan hub on the case or all would work with the included lian li fan hub in the 3 pack thanks heaps for letting me know
Hahahahaha, i already got it in my Lancool3 to replace the front and rear fans. Used SL-120 Infinity's cable and plugged in to fan hub with no problem at all.
can you get the 7pin to fan wire seperately for the 140mm fans? or do you have to purchase the set of three 120mm fan kit just to get those 7 pin to fan wires in order to connect the 140mm fans to the controller?? ...what is lian li thinking!
I have 9 fans on one controller. The fan header on my motherboard is 1amp only. The 120 fans are 0.18A each. Aren't I exceeding the amp limit for the fan header on the motherboard? or is the controller mitigating that because it's getting it's own power from the PSU?
Your video helped a lot and I got some sl120 infinity. Trying to connect 3 x sl120 infinity (aio fans) to cpu fan and rgb controller using the cable came with the single pack. And found out the rgb connector on the controller side is different as the standard 5v rgb connector (on the cable side from the single pack). What’s the workaround for this? Please help!
Where did you get that conneter from . My 140 infinity fans came with the flat cable. But. On the other end is a RGB and fan header. Not the connector needed for the controller.
If I have multiple sets of fans going to the hub, I don't need to connect the Argb cable to the motherboard for every additionally set do it? Just pwm for all of the additional set, and then everything is controlled from the hub at that point?
Hi everyone, HELP!!! The situation is as follows: I have 2 sets of coolers in my computer: Lian Li on top. SL V2 3+1 On the side and bottom 3x2 SL Infinyty. So here we go. The 6 SL Infynity coolers have stopped spinning, but the RGB is working. I first thought their SL Infinity controller was broken. Then I tried connecting these coolers to the SL V.2 controller and the coolers worked. The fan speed is adjustable. The only thing is that not all LEDs work as it is not an Infinity controller. Infinity controller. When I plugged it in nothing changed. RGB works, but the fans don't move. And if for example a simple controller is disconnected from USB, then by default the fans will spin at maximum speed. So I tried disconnecting the Infinity controller from USB, but as a result the coolers don't move either. So it turns out that coolers with two native controllers don't want to spin, but with non-native controller they spin fine, but only RGB is not fully lit..... What to do? The new Infinity controller (which I found in the box) was on firmware 0,8, but L_Connect suggested to update it to 1,4. But even after the upgrade the coolers still didn't start.... Now it turns out that I have to connect coolers to SL V2, ignoring the fact that not all LEDs work. But somehow I can't believe that my native controller failed, and the new spare one turned out to be ‘accidentally broken’...
Hi. I'm buying a 3-pack bundle and will have 2 fans top and 1 rear. Is it possible to connect the rear one to the two in the top and only have 1 cable to the hub? or will I have to connect 1 cable from the rear and 1 cable from the top to the hub? Out of the box that is, without buying extra cables.
Is it the same controller as the "UNI HUB L-Connect 3 Controller? that they also sell separately ? I definitely want want to throw pointless money on the 3 pack of 120mm fans that i wont even use. I just want to replace 3 the front 140mm intakes.
Somehow I think I manage to got the connector wrong way around on the fan, and now I cant get it out from the grove. What should I do I dont want to damage the plastic and I cant my pc to recognie the fan😮😢
I feel you missed explaining something here.. There is only ONE cable coming out of the 120 fans, that plugs into the controller: 10:52 However, there are TWO cables (1 PWM, 1 aRGB) coming out of the 140 fans: 07:15 So the assumption is that you CANNOT plug the 120 fans directly into the Motherboard??
Are there any software options to sync Lian Li and AsiaHorse fans as well as the argb on my deepcool cpu cooler and my gpu argb edge lighting? I'm new to this ARGB life and it'd be great to simplify all control through one software
I installed my fans on the motherboard without the commander, i can only change the colour of the whole fan on my mainboard software but i cant change the sides and the middle rgbs of the fan separately. Are there some Adapters to buy for the commander cause i got 1commander left from my other build but the cables of my V1 fan are not fit in the commander Hope you can help me
so i need the controller if i stack two 140 fans? im assuming there's not enough power for it to run off one connector on the mb, cause my fans ain't running :
I have 8 uni infinity fans total, and whenever I connect the controller with the usb to the motherboard, EVERYTHING running in the pc slows down (like all of the fans speed). Is this a problem with the psu being underpowered ? (800ws, have a 3080 and lain li 240 cpu cooler)
I just got the L connect 3 and my sl infinity fans but the Ui in the L connect 3 is not like the one you show on you video @The Provoked Prawn. Thinkin something wrong with my setup? or did they change it? Seeing as the video was uploaded 1 year ago
O11 Vision user... do you think it would look silly to have 3x 140 INF reverse flow on the bottom, and 3x TL120 LCD reverse on the side AIO? Would the size difference and some having RGB blades and others not look too weird?
Lian Li are my favourite for aesthetics, convenient wiring and noise levels. Basically they're all round good fans imo. Not to say the NZXT ones are bad but I'd always choose Lian Li based on what I've seen so far.
I appreciate if someone can help but I bought 2 packs of 3 sl fans 120mm and 1 pack of a single sl fan 120mm. I connected the both packs of 3 into the hub. One set of 3 are in the number one slot and the other pack of the 3 are in the number 2 slot. I want to connect the hub to the mobo so I can use the signal rgb software. My question is can I use the wire that comes with the triple pack on the single fan and connect that single fan to the hub slot number 3 instead of plugging it directly to a rgb header and chassis fan header?
L-Connect is an absolute headache…the fact that I haven’t seen any creator mention what version they’re using at the time the video comes out is also concerning. L-connect doesn’t save fan curves or settings as of 2.0.6 so who knows what your fans doing.
In the manual for SL 120 Infinity 3 pack it says: “Control with L-Connect 3: Connect up to 8 UNI FAN SL Infinity with splitter when set as static white, lower the brightness if necessary.”, what does this mean? Since I can clearly see you have upto 9 fans connected, can it provide maximum brightness if connected more than 8 fans?
It's where you have one cable connected to the controller and one group of fans while the other group is connected to the first group using the extra cable.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Supposedly yes, but both in the app of your video and in mine, the fan icons do not appear in the "lighting effects" section (min 18:42) :(
Здравствуйте, у меня есть 140х6 черных таких вентиляторов хочу купить систему охлаждения Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 подойдут ли данные вентиляторы на данный радиатор? читал отзывы о том что не совместимо с данным радиатором
Ok, i fucked up, i bought the old uni fan SL140 they got them weird cables that goes in to a controller that I don’t have. Plus they are blowing air out of the pc not in, so i have to put them up side down and they look you know how😊
@@TheProvokedPrawn I legit just stayed up the whole night making a new build. Your vids on Lian Li fans were a life saver. Sadly my old streamer is not working =(
i just installed my 140 mm which come with the 4 pin and the rgb cable, i pluged both into my mainboard but i cant find my 140 mm fans in the software because it has no connection to the sl inf controller? Can someone help me out
@@TheProvokedPrawn thx but is there a way to controll the rgb fia the l connect app without changing the adapter cause i want to let the 4 pin connector connected to the cpu_fan pin.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Sorry for the necro comment but I've really been enjoying your videos. So informative with no fluff. I was hoping you'll see this so you might be able to point me in the direction of a video I might have missed. Is there a way to use the Sl-inf 3 pack fans with the Galahad 2 AIO?
I watched all your videos and my build was flawless. I have no idea how everything went so smooth as this was my first build ever. L-Connect is a little janky, but once I updated firmware its working perfectly now.
Glad I could help. Hope you enjoyed enough to subscribe 🦐
yeah I am about to complete my build and trying to decide on fans now, I really like the infinity fans and I wanted to go with L connect 3 only for the possibiliy of the strimmer effects, besides the strimmer effects i don't see a big deal with lconnect, you could try signal RGB which is something I am looking into it has a lot of great cooridinnted effects but I never seen any demonstration of just strimer effects and if you can get the same effect as lconnect 3 with signal RGB with strimmers,
I have a non ian li strimmer from airgoo that has tandard 5v argb and also a corsait connector for icue but I donlt think there is an adapter to connect it to a lian li strimmer control box but maybe I am wrong, I only have the 24 pin and I want a 3 x8 for the GPU as well but airgoo doesn't make one.
I was thinking of getting the lian li one but it signal RGB requires you to bild your won controller from an arduino for full control
also signal RGB says you should not have more than 3 or 4 fans plugged into a single lian li RGB fan controller.
I woudl liek to see a video compating different effects and options for RGB strimmers specifcally, boht lian li and other generic header ones with different software aura sync, lian li and signal RGB
Been waiting for these 140inf for ages! Everywhere seems to have no stock at the moment.
Had to go to eBay. No one has them
@@robbievengence Finally filtering through to retailers
i use corsair only because of their software but lian li in my opinion got the best fans and lights.
Corsair fans are the most janky PoS's on the market. Atrocious RGB hardware on those fans. I will never use a Corsair fan again
@@KommonCents_same
I actually just finished a pc with the same fans. They were ez to connect with the interlocking mechanism and the controller. You end up with a lot less cables and a cleaner build. I am glad I used the Liam Li fans. Highly recommended.
How are your temps with them? And are they quiet?
@@paulheraucourt5132 Hi. Temps are normal and the fans are very quiet. I have never hear them make noise and I sit close to the PC. In my book those fans are excellent.
Great concise video! Just what I needed for my build! Thank you!
Glad it helped! Hope you enjoyed enough to sub!
These videos are very helpful. Working on a new build and I've watched your Lian Li videos at least a dozen times
Thank you. Glad to hear it's helpful!
@@TheProvokedPrawncan you help me with a build I’m doing
I used your guide to pick parts
@@Notpropianist How to build a gaming PC: ruclips.net/p/PLlRFhsGPgCG9yKCHtL2_UnwSGitMqao5z
@@TheProvokedPrawn can you review my parts list
Hi watched your video and it was excellent as usual. I have question for you, 1. since I am doing a 3 fan bottom, 3 side and 3 top radiator with all Uni Fans, what would be the best way to get all 3 sets of these fan speed controlled, via motherboard or Lian Li control center? 2. Is it better that the mobo controls the AIO fans or no 3. I have AORUS mobo, if controlling all fans speed via mobo, should the settings be switched from Auto to PWM on all? If its better to control fan speed via Lian Li Center, what would be the best and optimal settings to choose for the fan speeds
Ohh I really wanted these for my build but they took forever to become available - well they ain't available yet as of today
My pc don't start if I'm connecting both sata cables 😢
Thank you for the video I was hoping I'd be able to use the cable that came with my 10x set of 120s for the Corsair 1000D. But I'm guessing if I used those cables it's brick the fans they aren't the RGB versions in black.
Hey mate with lian li infinity fans if so tryna figure out if it would be compatible with the king 95 pro case in this configuration the 4 front fans would be 140mm reverse blade fans (so intake) the bottom 3 fans would be 120mm reverse blade fans (so intake) the top 3 120mm fans on the aio would be exhaust then the one on the back of the case is a exhaust curious if they could use the built in fan hub on the case or all would work with the included lian li fan hub in the 3 pack thanks heaps for letting me know
Is there anyway you could do a video on the new SWAFAN EX fans by Thermaltake? Love the content btw!
Where did u buy them from?
Hahahahaha, i already got it in my Lancool3 to replace the front and rear fans. Used SL-120 Infinity's cable and plugged in to fan hub with no problem at all.
Can you please make a video showing the lian li infinity 140mm as intake and exhaust showing the mirrior center to make it all look the same
ruclips.net/video/P1_8M6S9XJ0/видео.html
what happened to the white cables? in one of your other videos they had white cables.
can you get the 7pin to fan wire seperately for the 140mm fans? or do you have to purchase the set of three 120mm fan kit just to get those 7 pin to fan wires in order to connect the 140mm fans to the controller?? ...what is lian li thinking!
What happens if you daisy chain 4x140s?
Wow, extremely good breakdown. Thank you.
Thanks Izzy. Hope you enjoyed enough to subscribe 🦐
I have 9 fans on one controller. The fan header on my motherboard is 1amp only. The 120 fans are 0.18A each. Aren't I exceeding the amp limit for the fan header on the motherboard? or is the controller mitigating that because it's getting it's own power from the PSU?
Yes the PSU power sorts that out.
@@TheProvokedPrawn That's what I figured. Thanks for the quick response!
you only need both satas if you have more than 9 fans installed i believe
What about if I plug these fans in to the Corsair Controller Hub, I have a 5000T case and I have plenty ports available
Thank you for the video! It looks great.
Thanks for watching
Your video helped a lot and I got some sl120 infinity. Trying to connect 3 x sl120 infinity (aio fans) to cpu fan and rgb controller using the cable came with the single pack. And found out the rgb connector on the controller side is different as the standard 5v rgb connector (on the cable side from the single pack). What’s the workaround for this? Please help!
Where did you get that conneter from . My 140 infinity fans came with the flat cable. But. On the other end is a RGB and fan header. Not the connector needed for the controller.
A wanna buy this fans, but a have a question those are compatible with aurasync???
Everything cute and cool BUT, where the heck can I buy these!?
im probably just dumb but can u just use the micro usb connector from the fan connector box only or do u also need to use the other one?
If I have multiple sets of fans going to the hub, I don't need to connect the Argb cable to the motherboard for every additionally set do it? Just pwm for all of the additional set, and then everything is controlled from the hub at that point?
If you want to use L connect then just usb and sata power is enough
@@TheProvokedPrawn much appreciated
Hi everyone, HELP!!! The situation is as follows:
I have 2 sets of coolers in my computer:
Lian Li on top. SL V2 3+1
On the side and bottom 3x2 SL Infinyty.
So here we go. The 6 SL Infynity coolers have stopped spinning, but the RGB is working. I first thought their SL Infinity controller was broken.
Then I tried connecting these coolers to the SL V.2 controller and the coolers worked. The fan speed is adjustable. The only thing is that not all LEDs work as it is not an Infinity controller.
Infinity controller. When I plugged it in nothing changed. RGB works, but the fans don't move.
And if for example a simple controller is disconnected from USB, then by default the fans will spin at maximum speed.
So I tried disconnecting the Infinity controller from USB, but as a result the coolers don't move either.
So it turns out that coolers with two native controllers don't want to spin, but with non-native controller they spin fine, but only RGB is not fully lit..... What to do?
The new Infinity controller (which I found in the box) was on firmware 0,8, but L_Connect suggested to update it to 1,4. But even after the upgrade the coolers still didn't start....
Now it turns out that I have to connect coolers to SL V2, ignoring the fact that not all LEDs work. But somehow I can't believe that my native controller failed, and the new spare one turned out to be ‘accidentally broken’...
Hi. I'm buying a 3-pack bundle and will have 2 fans top and 1 rear. Is it possible to connect the rear one to the two in the top and only have 1 cable to the hub? or will I have to connect 1 cable from the rear and 1 cable from the top to the hub? Out of the box that is, without buying extra cables.
Where can we buy these? Having no luck at all finding them :(
www.overclockers.co.uk/?query=140%2520inf&category=Air%20Cooling&manufacturer%5B%5D=Lian%20Li
Is it the same controller as the "UNI HUB L-Connect 3 Controller? that they also sell separately ? I definitely want want to throw pointless money on the 3 pack of 120mm fans that i wont even use. I just want to replace 3 the front 140mm intakes.
Somehow I think I manage to got the connector wrong way around on the fan, and now I cant get it out from the grove. What should I do I dont want to damage the plastic and I cant my pc to recognie the fan😮😢
I feel you missed explaining something here..
There is only ONE cable coming out of the 120 fans, that plugs into the controller: 10:52
However, there are TWO cables (1 PWM, 1 aRGB) coming out of the 140 fans: 07:15
So the assumption is that you CANNOT plug the 120 fans directly into the Motherboard??
You can. They have split cables too.
Are there any software options to sync Lian Li and AsiaHorse fans as well as the argb on my deepcool cpu cooler and my gpu argb edge lighting? I'm new to this ARGB life and it'd be great to simplify all control through one software
I installed my fans on the motherboard without the commander, i can only change the colour of the whole fan on my mainboard software but i cant change the sides and the middle rgbs of the fan separately.
Are there some Adapters to buy for the commander cause i got 1commander left from my other build but the cables of my V1 fan are not fit in the commander
Hope you can help me
so i need the controller if i stack two 140 fans? im assuming there's not enough power for it to run off one connector on the mb, cause my fans ain't running :
do you think the splitters are long enough for a full size case (haf 700 coolermaster)
I have 8 uni infinity fans total, and whenever I connect the controller with the usb to the motherboard, EVERYTHING running in the pc slows down (like all of the fans speed). Is this a problem with the psu being underpowered ? (800ws, have a 3080 and lain li 240 cpu cooler)
I just got the L connect 3 and my sl infinity fans but the Ui in the L connect 3 is not like the one you show on you video @The Provoked Prawn. Thinkin something wrong with my setup? or did they change it? Seeing as the video was uploaded 1 year ago
L Connect gets regular updates
O11 Vision user... do you think it would look silly to have 3x 140 INF reverse flow on the bottom, and 3x TL120 LCD reverse on the side AIO? Would the size difference and some having RGB blades and others not look too weird?
Also, you've been lucky to get ahold of a lot of these fans. Don't fancy selling me some do you? 😊😂
They would look quite different but it's a personal choice
@TheProvokedPrawn So I dont have to plug the L connecter into the CPU fan header, any fan header is ok?
In your opinion, do you prefer the Lian Li SL 120 Fans or the NZXT F120 RGB Fans? And why?
Lian Li are my favourite for aesthetics, convenient wiring and noise levels. Basically they're all round good fans imo. Not to say the NZXT ones are bad but I'd always choose Lian Li based on what I've seen so far.
@The Provoked Prawn thank your response. Keep up the amazing work. Always very detailed and thorough.
Hi, just curious how many fans you can daisychain into a single port?
I appreciate if someone can help but I bought 2 packs of 3 sl fans 120mm and 1 pack of a single sl fan 120mm. I connected the both packs of 3 into the hub. One set of 3 are in the number one slot and the other pack of the 3 are in the number 2 slot. I want to connect the hub to the mobo so I can use the signal rgb software. My question is can I use the wire that comes with the triple pack on the single fan and connect that single fan to the hub slot number 3 instead of plugging it directly to a rgb header and chassis fan header?
guess its best to wait till li drops the 3 pack.
L-Connect is an absolute headache…the fact that I haven’t seen any creator mention what version they’re using at the time the video comes out is also concerning. L-connect doesn’t save fan curves or settings as of 2.0.6 so who knows what your fans doing.
In the manual for SL 120 Infinity 3 pack it says: “Control with L-Connect 3:
Connect up to 8 UNI FAN SL Infinity with splitter when set as static white, lower the brightness if necessary.”, what does this mean? Since I can clearly see you have upto 9 fans connected, can it provide maximum brightness if connected more than 8 fans?
It's where you have one cable connected to the controller and one group of fans while the other group is connected to the first group using the extra cable.
Hi, thanks for the video. One question, can't you configure the fans in a unitary way? so that each fan in the pack of 3 has its own color
I think you can in L Connect 3?
@@TheProvokedPrawn Supposedly yes, but both in the app of your video and in mine, the fan icons do not appear in the "lighting effects" section (min 18:42) :(
Здравствуйте, у меня есть 140х6 черных таких вентиляторов хочу купить систему охлаждения Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 подойдут ли данные вентиляторы на данный радиатор? читал отзывы о том что не совместимо с данным радиатором
Where can you find the white of of the Asus Strix x670e-e motherboard? Followed your link and could not see a white version available
I don't know I'm afraid.
can you install them if you dont have rgb 3 pin header
If you're using the controller yes. Just connect the usb and sata power and then control with L Connect
Just bought 10 140 MM fans... If I buy the triple pack of 120MM for the remote will that work for all 10 140 MM fans?
Yes
So when you buy the 140mm fan you only get the cable and the RGB cable and not the 2 in 1 cable that vlcan connect to the controller?
Correct
should you buy the 2 in 1 cable separately and can you even buy it somewhere
They look so sexy! I bought one to use as intake to have some more rgb goodness
and then i bought a 3pack to do push pull (and use the controller) :)
Great vid
Thanks Jody. Hope you enjoyed enough to subscribe 🦐
Ok, i fucked up, i bought the old uni fan SL140 they got them weird cables that goes in to a controller that I don’t have. Plus they are blowing air out of the pc not in, so i have to put them up side down and they look you know how😊
10/10
Thanks!
@@TheProvokedPrawn I legit just stayed up the whole night making a new build. Your vids on Lian Li fans were a life saver. Sadly my old streamer is not working =(
Hey. Can u pls compare this fan to the v2? Cuz i wanna c the diffs
they are like the v2 in performance - only lights are different
i just installed my 140 mm which come with the 4 pin and the rgb cable, i pluged both into my mainboard but i cant find my 140 mm fans in the software because it has no connection to the
sl inf controller? Can someone help me out
They won't show in L Connect without the controller. You'll need to use your motherboard's RGB software
@@TheProvokedPrawn thx but is there a way to controll the rgb fia the l connect app without changing the adapter cause i want to let the 4 pin connector connected to the cpu_fan pin.
So it comes with the 3 pack of 120mm but not the 140mm This is why I don't buy Lian Li
Yea it does come with 140mm I have them a 3 pack
@ETheBeast888 The regular SLs have a 140 3pack. Not the Infinitys. Single 140s only
Im using three of those with 12 120sl infinity.. do i need more than one controller?
It depends on the alignment of fans. You can put 16 fans on the controller, but only in groups of 4 max per channel.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Sorry for the necro comment but I've really been enjoying your videos. So informative with no fluff. I was hoping you'll see this so you might be able to point me in the direction of a video I might have missed. Is there a way to use the Sl-inf 3 pack fans with the Galahad 2 AIO?
@@omniscension8967 ruclips.net/video/v5kDVZmePYQ/видео.html
the argb cable that doenst go all the way in 11:50 triggers me...
Does a cp cooler from lian li come with the control box?
Depends which one you get ruclips.net/video/Mxm_29mWr9Y/видео.html
@@TheProvokedPrawnthx sm ily those r the ones i wanted to get❤❤❤
@@TheProvokedPrawn and the no lcd version is the same?
nice😊❤
How many 140sl fans do you have in that case?