“Twitter Art theft Gurus” are cancelling professional artists over drawing with reference...lmao
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Mohammed Agbadi talking about Professional Artists Stealing Reference According to “Twitter Art theft Gurus” and how reference is not allowed in art and concept art according to twitter art experts...lmao.
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dude why do you look high lmao like jesus
Who?
@@-magpie-3431 my main mexican mohammed
ayyyye i fucking love your content BUUUUUT next time....dooooont use a guy that was caught recently talking to 14 year olds in your intro.
Entire freaking world is one huge reference.
lmao everything is a remix
@@MohammedAgbadi Which makes us all criminals :O Imagine being twins holy crap lol.
@@MohammedAgbadi lmao, true
HDTV tardy usury tzuyu Ovid rarest ghidorah onion McCurdy extern Judi.
Everything is a JoJo reference
True originality is very rare, and when it's done, people often don't like it because it doesn't feel like anything they know they like.
Best comment!
Cosmic Horror did that, right?
Yeah, sometimes people prefer with things they already familiar with rather than something new. Nowadays, it's hard to be original and even if someone managed to be original, that doesn't mean everyone will like/accept his/her work.
Now I understand why I spent hours and years in abstract art but still my peer art friends are getting faster succeed rate than me QQ I’m the only one that’s not drawing human/anime characters and even we are in the same art group they never support me either QQ………………………..guess I’m irrelevant to them……
@@SinYen98 abstract art are beautiful but not everyone understand/like them. I understand your feelings
Someone: So Mommy Vampire looks similar to a woman decades ago
Twitter users: And I took offense
pretty much
Intellectuals: Alright, time machine it is.
Vanpirella CANCELLED.
Oh wait, she shows buubs, thats enough reason for hating that.
Oh well.
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It was clearly the same dress/hat/pose... same image. If they had traced it, and Madame Demestrescu's waist was a little slimmer, wouldn't there have been an outrage?
"...instead of coming up with something ORIGINAL."
That's a pipe dream. Originality doesn't exist. Someone will have always done something similar if not the same exact concept before. Don't try to be original. Try to be creative. There's a difference.
It wasn't stealing, but it definitely was not an original piece regarding Lady D's clothing. Her face, mannerisms and physique are all original creations but her clothing is 1:1 copied. There was no altering of the clothing's look at all. The hat, gloves and dress were all copied.
@@floofzykitty5072 They weren't copied though, they were inspired. An old photograph is not a painted illustration, a complete reference design, or a 3D model. A lot of other research had to go into making it look similar, and reimagine what a similar white dress, hat, ect would look like digitally and in a 3D space. I'm sure the creators are glad people think it looks similar because it means they reached their goal, but on the other hand, when others say it's copied implies laziness and ignores everything that goes into design and development to create an inspiration.
@@Pheonixess Obviously the hat is more generic and there are probably hundreds of hats that look exactly like that created by different artists, but the dress is a different story.
A dress is still intellectual property. If it was a more modern piece of clothing, the creator could definitely sue them for using their IP without their permission. The dress has no alterations to it at all.
Reimagining it for a 3D space also doesn't hold much water because... Real life is a 3D space. The image still has depth and three dimensions. If you watch Micarah Tewers, she often works with an incomplete reference image where only part of the dress can be seen. When she recreates the dress she doesn't call it her own design or say it's anything other than a recreation, even if it differs in some ways *only because she didn't have the complete information*. If they *did* have the complete information of the dress, they would have used that information to copy it further.
@@floofzykitty5072 but the characters aren’t like anime fantasy characters there meant to be like distortions of people that could actually look like they exist that’s why she’s like 8 feet tall but she still wears clothes that would be reasonable for an actual person from that time man oils have worn there is only so much you can do also the most important thing a lot of artists are strapped for time so stuff like this happens wayyyyyy more then you would think
@@floofzykitty5072 but honestly, who cares about the clothing? if anything, it's cool that they are using actual clothing that existed in that time. it looks fantastic as well. and it added to the whole character. I feel some ppl might take this too far and it would be the equivalent of ppl not being allowed to draw clothing styles and patterns they see and like. who many bikinis, blouses and pants that looks the same because it's the current fashion. I wonder if Twitter users will start cracking down on that. probably will need to draw everyone and thing naked. and then they'll complain about that too. I just find it odd that the hill some ppl want to die on is an outfit when it just does a good job setting a time period and looks good
People that aren’t art educated be truly thinking you can pull something out of thin air. ‘If you can think of something, then it already exist somewhere’ nothing is truly original in this world. Educate yourselves ! Great video as always!
Yeah some non artists think that they know more than us about art when they dont know shit
I got laughed at and was told I don't know how to draw by some random passer by when I was drawing an underwater scene while using references of different kinds of fishes...like do they think artists know everything in the entire world and have photographic memory?
The true definition in art lies in if it serves to contribute to take art forward or is serves only to make money in social media.
@@amilee7580 let me guess.. this passerby know it all moron was male.
People who are ignorant in general, not even just about art. The originality thing applies to basically everything. There's even been instances of technologies being developed at the same time, by people or cultures who had no idea the other existed and had no idea the other was working on whatever it was they were inventing. Yet they came to the same thing, just perhaps in slightly different ways. If anyone ever thinks they have an original idea about anything, whether its art or science or philosophy or whatever, they should know that that's just their ego talking, and that idea was thought of many times over before they thought of it. And it will be thought of many times after. If anything they are tapping in to a collective consciousness, a sea where that idea already exists.
If someone obsesses about the originality of anything, thats a red flag of an out of control ego. For them to place such high expectations of others to come up with completely original ideas, they would have to assume they are so creative and so genius that they can come up with an idea literally nobody could think of. You must be really special if you think none of the billions of people, everyone who ever lived and died over the millennia on planet earth, never thought of the idea you just had before you lol
So basically they’re saying: oh they were inspired by human culture to design their character. Ok, so every video game that has human characters is *cheating* with their designs because they’re inspired by human civilization? Why not report them? Gimme a break lol
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with being inspired by culture. It's actually very beautiful. It's far better to use human culture and real life experience as a reference than...well...a Harry Potter story to fuel your fantasy -_-
@@danielsmithiv1279 Even Harry Potter uses human culture as a reference. Drawing inspiration from Greek mythology
@@wizardoftrees8424 Exactly. That's my point. JK Rowling wanted to dig deep and used our very own reality and history as an inspiration for her stories.
That was better for her to do that than to use something like The Wizard of Oz as her absolute reference while ignoring reality and life in general.
@@danielsmithiv1279 and the thing is, ppl use all types of references without even realising it. I don't even know if it's humanly possible to just completely block any type of references and only use a specific one because our brains are just wired to use from so many sources and create our own thing.
I love the fact that some Twitter artists keep saying stuff like "using reference is cheating" and then you can clearly see the result of that ideology in their awful art.
Sometimes it ain't even awful, but it just clearly hasn't improved in way longer than it should take one
I saw this one person trying to tell a PROFESSIONAL artist that he was wrong about copying for practice and referencing being important to beginner artists
Then looking at their account, they had the exact same lines since 2020
It is an unhelpful mindset to them themselves and it shows, they just refuse to believe 😭
@@goofymao1261 frrrr It ticks me off when these upstart, online amateur artists had a LOT MORE to say about art than the professionals.
Like, shut up and stay in your lane
I KNOW RIGHT?!
Leonardo da Vinci: finally, i finished it
Time traveling twitter use: uhh you're just stealing, blatantly copying a person
Da Vinci: *bruh*
Leonardo literally referenced himself in various figures in his paintings. Bet the Twitter council will cancel him if he lives today.
bold of you to assume twitter user can time travel without fucking himself up
Ugh! Portraits literally copy real life! Artists put no work in them!
Oh gods- I don't remember anymore, but is that the one who started out as a scam sculptor? Or was that someone else, I don't know, between the video and everything else, my brain has melted
Edit: crap, vinci was the painter, wasn't he? oh gods why-
@@jungcock5623 lmao, I missed those, F for this comment section cos it just fell
People show one piece of art and all of a sudden,everyone is a critic...twitter needs to get a grip if they dont even know what a concept is-
let's not mention 4cha..
@@MohammedAgbadi 4chan is a pool of extra special needs kids but they aren't this special. Lmao
@@MohammedAgbadi *don't speak their name.*
4 Chan has all types of sides, Twitter is just full of people out of touch with society
"Everybody's a critic."
- Squidward Tentacles
My brain is melting why do internet artists refuse to use references why why why, it's not art theft to want proper proportions in art.
Exactly the reason i use refrences is because i want the things i draw to be 100% accurate and because i forget what some things look like
@@coffintears5821photoreferencing is weird, is not like than stealing, is just copying/or even that is art I have no doubt that artists can use photoreference for a fraudulent way, copying still a artist beginners(according to the video)
Both copying and Referencing is okay in fact copying keeps the same thing
@@b0cket380 why do you speak like your from a foreign country.
@@coffintears5821 You sound like you're from a foreign country too. Which country do you come from where you guys can't even differentiate between 'your' and 'you're'?
So when you’re making a film, are they supposed to dress the characters in totally originally made clothing from scratch I guess, filmmakers are art thieves too 😂😂
Lmao!!! just pour garments on the actors
@@MohammedAgbadi 😂😂
Twitter: OMG that samurai character look like a samurai from an old picture. RIP OFFFFFFFFF!!!
@@kien9350 yea, twitter just outs themselves as non-artists or juvenile artists who don't have enough of their own experience to know when someone else is saying bs and just bandwagons.
Using reference ≠ “Stealing”
But of course I don’t expect Twitter to know such a simple concept. The only time where you could consider using a reference “stealing” is if you copy it down to the brim (or don’t copy it but ->) and try to pass it off as your own art.
I have saved tons of art or pictures for this purpose like a 219GB
If a person goes on a rant like this about refrence/concept art for inspiration. There is no point explaining to them, their brains are made of jellybeans
no hate but…didn’t they do that…? they pretty much copied the reference, as you said, down to the brim of the hat.
as an artist i have no problem using references, however when making concept art i would typically use a whole collage of references so as not to just directly rip off of someone else’s entire design, identity or outfit. i think that’s what people are up in arms about.
also happy pride fellow ace friend :3
@@weewooweewoo906 Wouldn't having a permission to draw an outfit that belongs to another artist/creator be fine? as long as there was permission.
I hope someone answer this because I want to practice art
@@thehunter5989 i don't think you would need to ask permission to draw an oufit from another artist's work, the persons clothes depicted in the drawing is probably based on real clothing. And I dont think that the artist created CLOTHING AS A WHOLE. It would be like if you needed to ask comedy central just because you're show depicts comedic scenes.
7:04 for context, the black roses on Lady Dimitrescu's dress are three and they represent her daughters (Bela, Cassandra, and Daniela) who are arguably the most important thing in the world to her
True, although they weren’t her biological children she still treated them like her own
that became sad fast
My gut told me they didn't place the roses on her dress for no reason aha I was right
There is also a chance they(and her character design in general) are a reference the Black Dahlia. A woman who mysteriously died outside nearby the famous Cecil Hotel. I’m not saying it’s fact I’m just saying they are similar.
This is why I don't use twitter, the most toxic things are on that app
lmaooo
The only good thing about it is finding art.
I use to use Twitter, but after all the horrible stories of artists getting attacked. Especially the fixing art scandal, I deleted my Twitter. Not to mention, seeing stupid posts of people whom I don't follow.
@@theorem220 and even when I'm looking for art, the artist get into controversial thing and go political. Like dude just wanna see your awesome art don't make your work about this discussions
Once I use Twitter bc it’s a popular app just for a few sec I got bored lmfao and deleted bc I don’t use it as much as RUclips lol
Wait until this person hears about concept artists photobashing and paintovers, they’d have an aneurysm…
Lol
Literally lol
Oh god wait until they found out that comic artists for live action comic adaptations literally trace frames from the film to save time... Oh god oh fuck -
I don’t think Twitter understands what concept art is for lol. It’s about getting the vision across as fast and accurately as possible, especially because concept artists have to make multiple versions of characters and environments
I don’t think people realise just how much concept artists have to make in a certain deadline and photo bashing is a really common practice for that reason. Not everything they make is gonna have meticulous detail and be entirely original.
It’s almost like people use references to make characters accurate to the time period their attire is based on!!
I just wanna say I'm not on twitter but to me that's not the issue. They just took a single reference and called it a day, that's what bothers me. Usually you'd study a few references and then combine them or just take inspiration from them to make a whole new unique character.
Sure this isn't bad by any means, but it just feels lazy and uninspired.
@@corruptedteka then what differences would be if they combined references? Many women wore that dress at that time. They clearly went for 1930s look.
@@zokavl6617 I don't know, it just doesn't feel very inspired to use a single reference, and that heavily. But it's not wrong either. I'm sure there was more than one dress and one pose in the 1930s, but then again, not a bad thing, they found a reference that worked well and they went with it, great for them !
@@corruptedteka then it would be the same with other dress. When you do historically accurate concept there's nothing much you can do. Otherwise it won't be 1930s look.
@@zokavl6617 Well, no. That's like saying every woman looked the exact same in the 30s. I guess you could use the dress, but then reference different things for the rest.
Ah, well, I don't wanna argue about it, it's fine the way it is.
How did they turn the internets latest thirst trap something "controversial"? 🤨
i asked myself same question..couldn't find answer
Ikr 😂😂
I am now scared what they will do to samsumg's Sam.
@@rubyred186 I think they already have. I heard someone whining about her looking like some tiktoker they follow
@@pigeon1923 wait... i thought sam was a he... :/
I can't with Twitter honestly. And when they're called out they be like, ChiLe ItS JuST a JoKe.
*ChiLe ItS JuST a JoKe.*
Worse when they go "don't cyberbully me, I'm a minor" 🤡🤡
@@pappico THIS BRUH, I hate people like that, using their age (and mostly faked mental illnesses to be quirky) to justify their actions. When they are gonna turn 18 that shit ain’t work anymore so I hope they’ll ready to get the shit back.
I stg I remember this one time these two dumbasses try to accuse someone for grooming a fictional character on twitter, there's a reason why I deleted my acc
@Fede Porpy Art Yeah but they KNOW they are harming people. I had experience with one of those and they were using the fact they had DID to attack me, and in their private there was written “header changes depending on who’s fronting” and the same header stayed there for 3 months. Now, I am not an expert in DID but I do know that the same identity doesn’t front for such a long time. And I feel sad for those who really do suffer of DID and other mental illness and some fake ass has to pretend they have it so that they cannot be blamed for their actions but just “sympathize”. Those kind of people never blame themselves, trust me, they act as saviours on internet but irl they are nothing than losers.
People like this make me want to stop existing. Going off into space, where no one will hear me scream, or see me ever again.
Like Kars
@@justaguy6415 “And eventually he stopped thinking”
@@nyx5236 you assume the person that made the stupid tweets even thinks at all.
I know that feel, bro. I know that feel..
@@justaguy6415 i immediately thought of it
KING HAS UPLOADED 👑
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Queen!!! 👸 👑
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queen thumin has commented!!
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What happened to me there was a 'unknown person from Thailand' trying to censoring my art every single of my art ( I think this person probably hating on me so much by making like a ghost account to attack me). Basically What I did was a simple base of man standing holing book and a big cross posing. Which is my character I made for auction adoptable and sold out fast. And this unknown person (ghost account) literally text every of my clients even since last year clients received a long message of this person trying to discredit me by blaming me that I'm copying a random character from Pinterest a 'basic pose' , "which I never seen it before".
I was like WTF I made this pose with my 6-8 friends on discord and they saw me live stream drawing it from beginning to the end. And this (ghost Thai account) want me to end my artist career so bad. By asking all my clients to do not support me.
What is funny because NON of my clients agree with this (ghost Thai account) LOL.
A lengthy comment, quite sad that you had to go through that tho
@@novamk4studios492 Sorry for long comment. I was really confused of this Thai ghost account. Good my clients are very supportive and trying to defend for me. And thank you
Its was me 👻
FaneZ, if that's really is you then stop harassing KJ. What you're doing is terrible.
KJ, I hope you're screenshotting every text or interaction you have with them. It's best to be safe than sorry with situations like these. I hope you're doing good with art career. I'm sorry you're being harassed over this.
This is what happens when a society values virtue signaling over actual virtue
Portraiture would blow these people's MINDS.
"All the points of interest are copied verbatim!"
"Oh, thank-"
"That's STEALING."
"...You saying I stole the person in front of me?"
"THIEF."
I always wondered how the superstition that cameras stole souls came about, I guess this might be how.
In game concept art, especially under crunch, utilizing existing art as brush patterns, photos of other art, etc is the norm. Especially in Japan. Capcoms concept art on first party projects like devil may cry environmental concept art, it's a lot of photo bashing.
I see, I mean it does make sense that they might not have had the time.
Using a single reference just kinda felt lazy to me, but it makes sense. Maybe they wanted to do something more unique but didn't have the time. ( This really isn't photobashing, in the way they did it, but I get it. )
i dont know much about whatever dmitrescu is from or capcom, but if capcom made the game dmiyrescu is in, MILES EDGEWORTH, PHEONIX WRIGHT, LARRY BUTZ AND MAYA FEY...
@@corruptedteka The thing is that's how concept art works. The art team most probably did dozens of sketches referencing different outfits, poses, etc. for the creative director to say "ok we'll take elements from outfits A and D, poses A and C and F have the feel we want for the character, now try adding this here and those elements here, see you in two days for the next batch".
I mean is that hard to not see the final design deviates a lot from that photo and drawing in the end? It's pretty evident that's an early development sketch from the "get a general idea of the character's design" phase, one that was chosen (no wonder, it has great, well... character to start working with) from and with many others.
And even then it's not just a copy, he adjusted the pose, added the characteristic black gloves and cigarette, etc. It's just that: Referencing, because concept artist's job is not to make beautiful marketing assets but quick and dirty graphic research to help designers decide what the end product shall look like.
@@Biouke Oh, wasn't expecting to hear from this thread again. Thanks for being patient with this. That sounds fair I will say. ( I honestly don't really care that much about the argument anymore, sorry ! I do see your point though. )
@@corruptedteka I'm glad you didn't take it personally, I hesitated a bit because I've seen you had faced some backlash already but I think it was the perfect occasion to explain how things go behind the scenes and get to the root of misconceptions about what this drawing from reference really entails since nobody had explained this clearly imho :)
And I blame the algorithm for presenting 9 months old videos in my feed XD
“There’s a lot of people on Twitter these days who literally just jump into conclusions head first”
Oh, “these days??” Thats EVERY day. With every issue. And every non-issue. Twitter is a hellhole.
The people who say using reference is "cheating" are the same people who think things like gridding is "cheating", or that there even is any way to "cheat" at making art. Also I just randomly clicked this video while drawing and I was referencing at the same time so it kinda freaked my brain out when I realized what I was watching XD
I don’t care I just want to simp for tall mommy monster in peace let me have this-
LMAOOO
People who make these claims just sound like they have no clue how art and art culture works. Like, I highly doubt these people create art themselves.
I clicked faster than the people that steal references 😩👌
Lmao same
Nice
That's pretty fast then
Things like these makes me Hella scared to even search up some references for my drawing even when I do it with my own artstyle
References are your friend! Don't be afraid to look up references for art. (:
Referencing is super important for learning how to draw things! Don’t let them scare you away
Why would you be scared of people who can't draw lol
I remember back in highschool. one of my teacher in the arts program. always telling us "always use reference, no matter how good we are at drawing and painting" 😉
This is a great quote to go by in life!
A lot of non-artists think 'real' artists are gods who create something entirely from nothing.
People with no clue about art trying to criticize artists for something they don't know about.. classic twitter
Wow i cant imagine the backlash ill hear when they discover that some artists earn money while tracing.
"*gasp* Did you trace this!? I dont want it anymore" Said no client ever.
lmaoo! this is a good way to put it!
They will however, refuse to pay and demand that it's free or threaten to cancel you. Chile
@@sadboo2666 that’s why you ask for half of the commission first, but at that point if you’re gonna trace the rest better not be an obvious coloring book 😂
Times like this makes me thankful my mom won't let me download Twitter
That sounds like good parenting tbh 😅
_WHuut, Pro Artists stealing Reference Drawings_ *IMPOSSIBLE*
"According to Twitter Art Theft Gurus" _Oh nvm we good_
glad to have you back Mohammed
You mean "Gurus"
@@TomEyeTheSFMguy yup, thanks
@@johnmivule-novabow8143 no problem
Literally even memory is reference. You can't draw something you've never seen before. Even monster designs/things that don't exist were based off real world concepts or a mish-mosh of various creature anatomy irl. I agree with everything you said. Especially considering the piece was a concept design and not a fully rendered work for selling, the artist did nothing wrong. Most companies want their artists to work as fast as possible. Using already established poses etc and changing elements is the easiest way to do this. The purpose is just for deciding on design before it goes through a painstaking modelling process and to give the 3d designers an idea of what they're doing. I would think all of this would just be common sense.
Ever since that Twitter thread blew up, every artist considered it "stealing" even my favorite artist made a video about it that it's stealing. I hate it when shit like this happens and everyone takes it as fact.
I have aphantasia, which means no "mind's eye" or no images in my mind, so I badly need references! I try to use multilpe for one picture to avoid stifling creativity and "coyping" too much but even people with vivid internal images need references, unless you have a photographic memory and never try to draw anything you haven't personally seen irl lol
this happened to me many years ago, someone gave me a photo (they told me it was them, and apparently it was some guy in a band I had never heard of) and asked me to draw it in pixel art for use on a game, where you can upload your own images as profile. Some group of rude girls put me on a forum claiming I traced it and I stole this mans photo to sell and did like an overlay thing, which even showed it wasn't EXACTLY the same, it was a pixel art based on reference (which they couldn't seem to wrap their heads around what a reference was, and that the image wasn't exactly matching, just similar). I even said, I used the reference image provided to do what my customer asked, I did not trace or draw on top of this image. Since this, in like 2007, it has been near impossible for me to get commissions because they still bother me with this I trace thing to this day. I make stuffed animals as well and one of the group of girls recognized a link to one of my examples I posted (on fb) and messaged my commission, told her I steal art and the girl said..oh actually I don't want to hire you anymore cause you steal. I have never traced art in my life and I even did livestreams of both drawing digital and making plush toys to prove this to people, but once they claim something and get enough following it doesn't matter...
I used to be able to pay all my bills with my art and then had to get a full time job in retail (which is draining my soul) because of the harm these people did to my image.
I didn't follow that whole Twitter mess. I used to work in a production studio for casual/mobile games and I know the production pipeline schedules are tight so I knew reading stuff like this is just going to frustrate me to no end. Lemme just say, for the young artists that want to work in pre-production (concept art), be prepared to iterate on a single piece at least 3 times a day. If you can do that without photobashing, paintovers, or any other industry standard shortcuts? Then congrats, you're the greatest concept artist who ever lived.
Only Twitter™️ does something like this
This is why I don’t have Twitter.com (trust me, I’ve had it before and it was the worst mistake of my life).
And what comes out only is kept In Twitter.
Allot of people like me who use twitter like me actually think its bad but we still use it. Tbh its not hard to avoid the toxic and stupid people on there
You know the saying "If you read the dictionary, every other books are just remix".
Yeah, basically that for Art, Video Games, Music, Movies, etc... There's nothing that you can consider original anymore so complaining that they used an already pre-existing medium as a reference is just useless imo.
Hell, even most YT comments are not original lol.
I don't think I've ever met another artist who legitimately never uses/hasn't used reference before. Hell, if you're self taught there's a good chance reference is exactly how you learned in the first place. So far as I can tell, there really is zero benefit for artists to be on twitter at all, and I don't understand why people still post there.
I know that several professional artists use references for their art all the time! It's normal. ^^ I plan to still use them for years to come when I feel the need that something of my art needs improvement. I look to artists and images that pretain to what I am looking for and use it as a guide to achieve my own art.
don't let these twitter puritans find your art hahaa
@@MohammedAgbadi I'll try not to! 😂😂😂
As someone who recently graduated from a professional art college, I’d say the _overwhelming majority_ of professional artists use references. Probably upwards of 90% if I had to guess, but probably even closer to 99%. Our teachers would actually get on our case for _not_ using references... like shame us in front of the class for not using enough references lol. It was probably the biggest thing they drilled into our heads: reference, reference, reference. It’s pretty much the most important thing to do when creating art. Even the most experienced and talented artists in the world still need to use references, it’s not something you should ever outgrow, because it’s impossible to know how to draw/paint every single thing in the world off the top of your head!
I feel like what they're trying to say is that there isn't a lot of creative liberties to the empire dress. That one, I agree, however, that dress is long outdated anyway. And the 1930s was an era of economic depression, too, so the fact Dimitrescu can afford to have a custom made empire dress on her size specifically is astonishing worldbuilding.
The black rose, symbolizes death (which fits into her character story) and it also serves as a visual break in the white outfit much like the gloves and hat do. The lips are the only thing that varies in the whole color palette because, the makeup ideals from those times wanted the lips to be the focus of attention (which also helped bring attention to the center of the face).
To add on, black roses in flower language represents death and despair. Which feels fitting for the character, as well as a nice piece to contrast the white of the dress.
Side question, my man: I've been noticing the switch from timelapse videos on your own art to more of the art community-related news/informational things. While I think it's dope and good for young artists to learn this all, I do hope you will still make more tutorials and explain techniques. I tried some of your techniques 2-ish years back and slowly incorporated some in my own way of rendering out my illustrations, so seeing more of what you've been up to would be hella dope
I feel you. While videos like these aren't necessarily bad, it's just not what I subscribed for :(
My man saw the CreepshowArt drama and unhooked his router lol
References is a literal must for me because I have difficulty remembering pictures for drawing.
On one hand I was a bit disapointed because I thought it was a look that was created just for the game. But on the other hand I'm glad they based it on an original 30's picture because I can play without fixating on what's historically inacurate in her look 😂😂
Please no one tell this person about photo bashing for Concept art, his head might explode!
So what I've learned is that based on Twitter's understanding, I need to build my own original planets and mountains to paint landscapes/backgrounds. Gotcha. Thanks for the help, Twitter Lmao
Its great to have you back bro! Now Lets Watch 😬😬😬!
Even if you're drawing from your head / imagination, you're still using references. You're drawing something you have seen before. That's it.
If they think referencing real life and photos for art, everyone’s favorite artists are going to jail.
One of my favorite artists Araki Horihiko (creator of Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure) uses Greek statues and models from magazines for reference, and it makes the fashion and look of his work so iconic. And it’s interesting looking at some of his characters side by side with the pose or photo he referenced. Using references and making something unique from it is literally apart of the artistic process
Imagine thinking that a huge video game company using a reference for a costume to make sure it's accurate is the same as your stupid friend on Deviantart tracing someone's work and claiming it as their own.
I used to feel ashamed about using references because others would talk badly about it so I didn’t use them. But now that I’m more comfortable with using them, my poses are so much better, so are the clothes and expressions
Its the 'pose theft' thing all over again
How dare you sit, i am sitting! You stealing from me! lol. You gotta love those ppl.
Never tell them about Hirohiko Araki's book of statues
Every professional artist will tell you that references and inspiration are super important. Using references for poses, outfits, backgrounds, etc. are super *SUPER* encouraged and even *required* in some classes in art school.
People who cry about and make a huge fuss over references are just wrong.
I imagine the concept artist freaking out when seeing the photo for the first time like: THATS EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINE HER" and then making a drawing out of the reference. It happened to me before. It’s not that deep.
So according to them, it can be said pretty much any movie ever made stole from real life when it uses real world locations.
When you wake up after hibernation and there's a years worth of drama in just a few days
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I am actually even more in awe of the dev team taking real reference. She evokes the perfect image of high society glamor but also a woman stuck in time. Compared to her daughters who speak more identifiably modern and dress like peak high school goths (not a criticism I'm just jealous I wasn't able to pull it off in high school myself). Her home and personal style are delightfully anachronistic and fantastical.
I am honestly happy this dress is being immortalized. The design is stunning in its simplicity and effectiveness.
I mean...
nearly, NEARLY everything you create, you have seen them once or having the same concept, you just don’t realize that
Life is a huge references
I think people in those tweets were confused a bit on both sides, as there was this weird mix of things that apply to illustration, but not to concept art, lack of knowledge about copyright, lack of knowledge about references and general confusion about the grey line of how transformative is transformative enough.
Reference usage, especially, but not limited to commercial work, depending on how does one use it can make a difference between c&d and being fine.
*THAT CHARACTER CLEARLY HAS A HUMAN LIKE FORM, I AM ALSO A HUMAN SO ITS BASICALLY COPYING ME.*
she also wears same clothes as me
When are this people going to learn that you can't create something new in the internet?? Everything was already made like you can be copying someone and you don't even know
These so called gurus literally show how they small brain they are.
I saw the thumbnail and immediately thought of tall mama-
OH WAIT IT IS TALL MAMA
How does this have 10 views, is my RUclips wilding.
Nah it's just drunk
Well how did you see the video 9 minutes before it was released
@@vladirackpubama6785 say what
"These soldiers from a WW2 inspired game look exactly like the soldiers in WW2 photos
How despicable!"
And this is why a lot of these artists will never get hired to work in a professional environment.
It's crazy how pervasive the myths about using references and tools in art are.
At this point, I only use Twitter to follow artists that have cool looking art. The rest of the site... I already have enough issues with stress.
I still remember a Japanese art tutorial maker getting bullied off the platform because some schmucks misunderstood what the artist said, and thought they were trying to force peeps to draw a certain way.
I came here just to laugh to the people who think this is theft
lmaoooo!!! are they here?!!
@@MohammedAgbadi definitely
I don't think this is theft, I just thought it was kinda lazy and uninspired.
But I saw someone bring up work ethics and time constraints in another comment and, yeah, that might excuse that.
I stan this video. As a perfectionist it's hard to feel ok with my art, so when I hear stupid stuff like "referencing is stealing", or something other nonsense, I then overthink about if I'm being original enough or not. Even when I'm just practicing tracing or copying I feel bad about it, even though there's nothing wrong doing it. I hate my perfectionism. It just kills my love for art, but it's hard not to think about if I'm drawing good or not.
tysm for the subtitles, the hard of hearing community is thankful 💕💛💕
Honestly, her design seems too much like the reference to me to be not at least lazy to me. Like, at the end of the day, it's still not plagiarism, but they could have at least done some flexing on the dress design a bit more.
7:02 I just learned that the rose or roses are supposed to represent her 3 daughters that she created in the game.
Twitter thinks quoting them is stealing their "copyrighted work"
Eventually, when these people understand what "referencing" is, they'll soon have to put on their big boy pants and understand what a "concept" is
The people who try to dismiss referencing by saying it's "cheating" are so dumb. Like 90% of the time if you went to an American public school you have cheated and you likely didn't see that as bad. I was one of the few who didn't like cheating, but I still did it when I was desperate (mostly in Spanish) but like cheating is what you explain to little kids and you tell them it's wrong so they grow up honest and reliable. It's not what you tell adults who are far past elementary school.
hey moag theres this guy named “tobu” calling you a sussy baka idk why
lmaoo! interesting...
@@MohammedAgbadi yes
It’s real XD
This is like getting mad at GTA for making Los Santos based off a real city.
It isn't just on Twitter. A few years ago I had this same argument on Imgur with some twit who couldn't tell the difference between art theft and reference, and kept insisting that reference wasn't okay to use. So wtf are you supposed to use for a particular pose? Just pull it out of your ass, and then later on wonder why your drawing isn't looking right? Even my own art teachers back when I was in school said reference was fine; everyone uses them. And the same argument-from students-was present then. Students arguing with the professionals, *whiny nasally voice* "Isn't that CHEATING?!" Here's me sitting on the other side of the room rolling her eyes and saying "Shuddup ya nit" under her breath. Ugh, and that BS predated Twitter.
I think people get hung on the concept of originality, and don't realize that in the creative world, nothing is original. Case-in-point: the story of Lord of the Rings. The One Ring is basically The Ring of Gyges. Both stories could be said to be an example of how absolute power corrupts absolutely. History, mythology, and folk tales are often a great source of inspiration (heck, it worked for TYPE MOON with the Fate franchise).
Anywho, that's enough of my long-winded spiel. As for Imgur, I deleted my account-completely different reasons. Imgur turned into nothing but plague and politics over the last year, and that's really a drain on anyone's creativity.
I believe in using reference, and do often in my own art, but I don't think much was changed in the final art piece. It looks more like a study than it does your own art. Whilst I love her design, I think a little more changes from the original reference would have been best. I don't think this is enough for Twitter to go off this much, though. The artist is fine.
Yep, exactly my thoughts.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Especially considering how good of a job the resident evil team did with their latest game, can people not use common sense and think "maybe they did that on purpose"??? It's almost like context doesn't matter in twitter.
In photoshop, I’d set up like 8 references. Skin color, hairstyle, clothing, body type, pose, objects (if posed on something), etc.
11:50 i can also add that the body type of the concept art is different from the lady in the original image as well as the other things the other person said in his/her comment
thankyou!
I really just want to know if this same dress was common to wear. If it was just the lady in the photo’s dress and was unique or something, I feel like it would be too heavily referenced to the point of copying. But, if it was something normal that a lot of people wore then it’s just referencing a real life outfit, like overalls and it’s fine.
There’s also a point where you’re not completely copying, but it’s too heavily referenced and I feel like a lot of the arguments don’t consider that. I’m not saying that that’s what happened here, just that people are overusing that argument and it makes me worry that’s what’ll happen if a video game or other character is copied.
I think there's also not much you can do when it comes to clothes either because they're not technically "owned" by anyone. You can't really copyright clothes.
So when it comes to that you can give the creators credit but most of the time in fashion and sewing everything is useable by everyone. It's just frowned upon to take the outfit and sell it.
Clothes are deemed as functional items so they don't get the same protection as other art forms. Otherwise you'd probably see people suing people for t shirts and any pants, skirts, dresses and socks you wear right now.
@@whoahanant Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to say, the problem would be if it was like one of those crazy intricate one-of-a-kind outfits that you see on a runway but no one actually wears it. It doesn’t seem like that in this case, but it could be when taking reference from real life. Sorry if I’m not explaining this well.
@@tunamuffiin.I.Donatello no it's fine. When I was getting into sewing I ran into the same issues and questions about copyright and protection of clothes/outfits. Because as someone who does art I assumed all the social and legal rules would be the same as in the art community.
Although there's no copyright laws to protect your outfit the community will call out people who claim that the outfit is theirs and businesses that copy and sell it immediately. But outfits are going to always be wanted by other people, this is how it works with clothes after all, so eventually your outfit will become public property at one point or another. This is how all our fashion trends start, someone makes and wears something and then we see everyone else wearing it afterwards. You will only get so much credit before the mass who isn't a part of fashion, get their hands on it. Also recreating outfits is a business and it's not really shunned. I'm not into full fashion, I just like cosplay and costumes but, I make myself clothes too sometimes and this is my current understanding of a chunk of the world of fashion/sewing.
When it comes to a dress from (I forgot the date but it's old) it's not really protected and at this point we all can use and reference it. If it was a NEW outfit then it would be a much bigger issue but it's out of date, there's no way anyone should be counting it as stealing at this point.
"There’s also a point where you’re not completely copying, but it’s too heavily referenced and I feel like a lot of the arguments don’t consider that" There is no such thing if you're a concept artist working in a tightly scheduled production pipeline. I feel people just don't know what concept art is or what function it serves. It is not a commissioned painting for a client, it's a preproduction step. In this phase of the production, paint-overs and photobashing is king. The production artist is iterating on a concept that the Art Director is going for and people are delusional if they think they're gonna give artists time to do fully original pieces. You need to be ready to iterate at least 3 times a day (at least that's my experience in the small studio I worked for working on mobile games; can't imagine how much more hectic it is for actual AAA)
"...video game or other character is copied." This is why it's almost never done. Concept artists always reference from life.
@@submarinecatdraws1079 I’m not really talking about that concept art if that’s what you mean, the finished product is still the same dress and hat just with things added on top and on a different person. Still, if it isn’t a one-of-a-kind outfit with a million details I think it was more of a common thing to wear so it’s not really a problem in this case.
I wonder if the art nerds realize that the basic superhero costume: a skintight bodysuit with trunks on the outside and boots is based on outfits worn by wrestlers and acrobats at the turn of the 20th century? Many of these performers even wore a cape, which they would drape around themselves as they took the stage, hiding their physiques until they would do the big reveal and start their show.
This mentality is what kept me from using reference when I was a young artist. I literally had no idea that all my favorite artists were looking at pictures or several pictures to make their beautiful pieces. Idk why I thought this. I guess I thought if someone is a good artist, heshe doesn’t need reference.
The concept art pic that started this all looks more like a study IMO, the pose, lighting, and folds are identical to the photograph, but was painted by someone with a good understanding of lighting/proportion, so I feel like it was honestly a study of the image. Considering it was concept art, not an individual piece for sale, that’s understandable. I would consider it plagiarism if someone tried to sell the individual piece for profit tho (if they didn’t own the photo’s copyright)
You mean never put out a finished drawing that comes from a reference... Drawing from reference is what most pros do to get good at it when starting... A lot of them give that as a tip. At least to train the finger muscles. Using reference can be quite rewarding
Thanks you for this, i had trouble knowing the difference between reference and copying
The way you pronounced Lady D's name is perfect! Thank you for actually putting in the effort :)