The fact AI prompters have to generate sketches and WIP's to appear like legitimate artists just tells me how desperate they are to fake their skills and how little respect they have for even AI generated images. If they wanna get jobs with fake sketches, I'd say let em and subsequently get fired.
i’d say make them draw on paper/canvas/whiteboard live, with consistent quality (as in draw the same character from 10 different angles and 10 different poses). i don’t care if they say they cannot, gtfo
there might be an artist who's good at sketching but not at coloring who might use the site I fall into that category, my anatomy and composition skills are pretty decent but I take far too many hours to color/shade a piece. still, I don't think I would want to use this tool... :\ rather learn to do it faster myself
As a manhwa artists, when I first saw this I thought it would be super useful to produce lineart quickly to adapt to tight hellish deadlines of 70-90 panels a week (not to mention if the chapter has more than 2 characters interacting in a scene, it's quite a heavy load to draw). tried a few of my sketches and it totally butchered my artstyle with a more generic style 😒 It sucks that this tool will be more useful to art stealers than artists themselves
I was just wondering about this, especially as a big fan manhua! I knew that this would be seen as a soulless tool, but I know that some publishing platforms such as Webtoon are infamous for overworking their artists, hence why many feature 3D backgrounds and pngs, and, while the quality of the work may suffer, it may at least prevent creators from.exhausting themselves.
I guess that's the idea. Manwhas tend to have a generic style anyway. It is more difficult to train an AI to understand your personal style (you would have to train it yourself with your drawings or similar styles). Also you still have to make corrections, it's not very practical
If we feed only our own art into it, does this count as acceptable? I hate AI art but I do agree it's gonna help with manga/manhwas incredibly tight schedule
Attention to artists who post sketches: add a stock image (recommended to use animal images) to your sketch. Make sure it overlaps with the lines just a little bit. This has been proven to mess with the AI and generate a completely unrelated image to the sketch
@@notjeih what we call "AIs" here are machine learning algorithms as well. The companies that developed them just called them "AI" as a marketing tool for making them look as more than they actually are, but the way this image generation tools work is not very different from the way youtube's algorithm for recommending you videos does for example, or photoshop's lasso tool. We are still decades away from the first actual artificial inteligence.
@TovenDo.O.Video- but the law can implement a regulation to the new technology so that artist not afraid on publishing their art. Like how copyrighted invented to protect their brand from getting stolen so that they don't afraid on selling stuff and not getting their name imporsinated or exploited.
@@crepooscul Well, yes, but the AI itself is also unethical. It steals from artists without their consent. Oh, and not just artists, real people's photos as well, hence deepfakes and such being an issue. Honestly the fact it isn't even regulated is disgusting, people HAVE used it to generate adult content of YOUNG children, and even to generate adult content of ACTUAL MINORS.
This is why people need to glaze/nightshade and use every anti AI we have available at the moment before post anything online, because not people and company like these ones will continue to do these types of bull shit to screw up artists.
They don't truly work if someone targets your art 1 v 1, it only affects massive data scraping because they can't sort through millions of content. Scummy people will always take advantage of artists.
What ?? As a non-artist, AI image generating tools are literally my dream! I don't need to commission expensive artists or spend thousands of hours learning to draw.
@@baiwuli6781 but that’s the fun part. You suck initially but once you get over the hurdle of sucking, it’s fun to see the progress you made. The evolution of your art. It’s a journey in itself
@@baiwuli6781 shit you're right guys i guess we have to stop hating on ai because it's this one guy's dream! it doesn't matter that image generative ai steals from actual artists or produces lifeless slop or straight up illegal content, cuz this one guy in a youtube comments section can't get off their ass
@@appolityYeah... except investing that much time in learning to draw might not be a 'fun' journey after all. It's a risky long-term time investment with no guarantee. Some people, like PewDiePie, took less than a year to become decent at drawing. But from what I've read on r/ArtistLounge, average people spend years to do so and many just never become good.
It's not only hurting artists but also hurting the planet. From what I've heard on Instagram, AI uses enough energy in one hour to charge 7 electric cars.
@@maggie3060 ChatGPT official account tweets. Had a time where the systems were overheating because they were running out of water to use to cool it down
Even animation studios would be a bad idea to automate things like inbetweening, because who does those jobs? Junior animators looking to break into the animation industry. You get rid of the entry level jobs and you knock out the ladder for the people at the bottom trying to climb. And please don't say indie is the solution, because the vast majority of indie animation struggle to crowdfund anywhere near what they need for a living, and fail to reach even a million views. Indie studios are great and making animation out of love and passion is aspiration, but they are not a replacement for the entire animation industry because the unfortunate reality is executives have the money and animators kind of need to eat food to live. Fans shouldn't be proclaiming the virtues of indie if they refuse to support them.
@@PastelPixie99 sadly accurate af too. Indie Animation still isn’t the solution either, but at least it’s made with more love than a producers’ ego project.
yep. and when those senior animators retire, there's no one to take their spots because all the junior animators never got a chance. same thing with the programing industry too. The low level programing task that usually given to the newbie is now given to ai so junior developers dont' get the exp. they need to grow and learn on the job. and now when those senior programmers eventually retires there will be no/a little programmers taking their place.
There already was a stream that was drawing, and this random person just screenshot it and uploaded it to an AI to just finished it, and posted like it was their own drawing
This pisses me off so much - AI is such a great thing, it can be used to make near perfect weather predictions, restore art, upscale images and video stuck in low resolution, help medical image analysis etc. - so many great things to deal with tedious tasks and aid data processing, analysis and prognosis. Genuinely amazing stuff. So whyyy did society instantly decide to use it to replace art, the thing where the end product is often reliant on the concept, emotion and the process? Why are we using AI to create generic anime girls no one cares about, that the Internet is already full of? The generated images can hardly be used in any professional setting, because it instantly gives any product a low-budget vibe. They send the same message as using clipart.
Here I am still waiting for the lip reading Ai to hit commercial use so my girlfriend can use voice chat (she's mute) But oh well I guess generating content slop aligns more with their idea of an Ai driven utopia
Oh they absolutely can be used in professional settings. Paid AI services are much more advanced at creating accurate images and, sadly, both companies and the general public can't tell the difference nor do they care. So long as the image looks pretty, it's art for all they're concerned.
@@oldoutlet6946 Only because so many variables make it so the general audience isn't able to be more smarter or whatever. All the poisonous junk we eat, the concrete jungles they build for them, the political subversions, abundance of instant gratification we get, And I honestly am not one to talk on these subjects, but im aware of myself and abit more conscious than other degenerates and do worry.
I hate this version of reality so much. I genuinely believe the creative field is going to die because of AI. And possibly worse, creativity itself will start to dwindle. I believe the future generations will start thinking, "why be creative when everything is made for you?"
Exactly! It's always about their convenience at other people's expense, and yet then they ALSO try to claim it's because "everyone can do it". They can't make up their damn minds even on an individual basis and when you call them out for it they accuse you of not being tolerant enough. It's a disgrace to art as a concept. I remember telling one of them, in a long list of things to conflict with their dumbassery (because most people don't know what to say in response and they prey on that), that if you have no respect for art, nobody will respect you as an artist.
Nah man, as an artist I don’t think people will stop making art. Maybe the people that make art for the product instead of for the experience and the communication and emotions behind it.
@@skiyoshiVT My college English-1C professor told my class that it was ok to run our essays through Chat-GPT. He wanted us to at least write the original draft though. I think his idea was that, he can't stop us so he might as well adapt. But I don't think I agree with that line of thinking. I think fixing grammatical errors is fine, but there is a point where the human voice is taken out of the work.
Will say, as someone who has taken several commissions this seems like a nightmare. With this tool, given that it is common for artists to send sketches to clients to see if it is ok or not, commissioners can just be ghosted after seeing that sketch.... since the AI could technically "finish the piece for them." Those AI protective overlays will have to become a lot more common.
Paste a stock image somewhere on the sketch, preferably an animal. Artists have tested it and it messes with the program's algorithm, hence making an entirely different image from the sketch
This is why you need to put an obnoxiously big watermark on the commission's sketch. Sure its annoying to look at, but its only the sketch not the finished product, so why would it matter.
Some people make fun of artists' feelings about AI, not thinking what can it do to themselves in the future. It's not like artists are the only one who will be affected.
I feel like this tool would be better as something baked into an existing art program as opposed to an online tool. I have known NUMEROUS artists who have had to quit making art after sustaining permanent wrist injuries from coloring/lineart (I’d have to ask specifically tbh, I forgot what exactly caused the injury). As for people copying, people have quite literally been tracing art for years and this is just a new version of this. It just makes them even easier to catch.
💀 but tracers are pretty obvious when you ask for WiP, inconsistent style in gallery (if they copy from one artist, it'll be obvious) or fast to delete when called out.
I actually agree with you. If used correctly, a tool that could refine A Sketch would be great. I have really shaky hands and struggle quite a bit, and no matter what anybody says it does limit the kind of art that I can do. I have been drawing since I was a very small child, and practicing frequently for years, so I know it isn't a skill issue. What a lot of people don't realize about AI tools that they are not going to help anybody who does not know at least the fundamentals of what the AI is trying to assist them with. A person who uses an image generator with no idea of what makes good construction of an image will turn out a crappy image. A person who uses AI to write stories without understanding how to construct a good story will turn out a crappy story. I have a friend who went blind who uses AI image generators to make pictures. They are quite pretty. We need to remember that the tools themselves are not what is the enemy here. It's how the tools get their information and what corporate institutions want to use them for that crushes creativity, not the existence of the tools themselves.
@@Fairygoblet I also have quite shaky hands. What can help is using markers/brushes with thinner lines and more friction, and to draw from the shoulder instead of the wrist. In certain digital art programs (like MSpaint) there are tools that can straighten out your lines and take what little shakiness is left away. You can look up more tips. I'm very, Very new to taking art seriously, and I managed to make my lineart okayish. You can do so too.
Why do these tech companies keep pretending that artists don't want to make art? I ENJOY inking. I ENJOY the creative process. Tech companies are feverishly coming up with ways to eliminate art jobs so they can sell their product directly to companies in creative industries and make millions, if not billions, of dollars in some acquisition
I find it funny that the AI output looks nothing like the sketch. The lengths people will go just for clout is insane, even if they can't plagiarize right
Calm down Ultron damn. But I feel you though it's not the company it's the public that support these companies that hurts Artists more than they think and the companies shift blame to help people feel like we are overreacting.
Yup. We are nothing but a cancer on this world, and it's just sad. It's even deeper than this s***. People don't care about others unless what is happening to them directly affects them and even then sometimes they don't care. We aren't going to make it out of our technological adolescence.
I wish AI wasn't allowed to use artists' work in databases without permission. It's like how companies steal your personal information and sell it to advertisers, except it's stealing data from art instead of user data. It's just another form of data theft and I'm tired of people normalizing it.
Dude my dad in jail JAIL was talking bout this to me last time a visited him, someone showed him it and he was talking about how scary it was like he was generally scared
They don't hate artists, they like easy money with no effort. This sht isn't just nuking visual artists, it's taking out every artistic medium and most of every industry that involves a computer. Even programmers are getting fked.
I wonder what AI bros are going to do when artists just stop being creative or showing their creations. We already saw what happens when AI starts training on its own art and it's a disaster so what are they going to do when artists take down all their work and stop making anything new because what's the point of creating when AI will just steal it?
Honestly, I won't be mad if one day AI becomes self-aware and starts a rebel against us. Atleast it would have a common sense that stealing someone's art is wrong :/
@@personwithbadenglish8469 It won’t care. It’s a machine built to be as efficient as possible, it won’t give a damn about ownership unless you program a limiter.
I’ve heard somebody compare these “artists” to that halo speed runner who faked his speedruns and when he was invited to a speed running event he was made to sit there and play through the entire game.
This is honestly scary cause something similar to the first example had happened to me at my high school though I ended up getting the person to remove the ai piece from their submission for a work it was so stressful.
Them saying only self-made art can be used is just an attempt to cover their asses, there's no way they'll actually take measures to enforce it, not like they could anyway since there's really no way for this company verify who owns/created every artwork that's used.
companies don't understand why we even uses brushes in the first place. Like if the AI preserved my style, the aesthetic and flow of my work then hell yeah I'd be in for that too. But no, they suck asses.
Yeah, man. Like. My art isn't visually interesting or good enough to be targeted by AI skimmers, but I still can't help but feel discouraged like crazy.
As someone who enjoys doing sketches in their down time, and does their owun inking(I do more traditional art than Digital atm), this is worrysome times infinity
This tool is clearly malicious. When I heard about it, I thought it would take your rough sketch and smooth out the line, which would be great for animating. But instead it interpolates your sketch and tries to add in stuff and figure out what things are. That is not helping line art, that is creating something out of anything. Which means non-artists will just draw a crappy blob and the AI turns it into whatever.
I hate AI. Sometimes I look at some artworks and start thinking whether it was made by a human or AI. Really ruins the first impression from someone's art.
It really does yeah... -_- I remember pre-AI time, when every art you found online was actual art and you could without a doubt go "WOW! That's so cool, so impressive!!" And now you're looking at every piece twice bc of that sh*t... and often times you realize "ok *sigh* it's ai" and I can never admire something like that, hell why would I.. it's not been done with any work, talent or skill, it's some lazy non-artist dumbass who has put in a bunch of words. It's f**king sad.. XD
@@FolgaPenoplast I care about effort. Especially if it took literal human souls to make. It’s like fried rice, the more blood and tears it took, the better.
I swear, the reason why AI tools like this always come out butchering art and never ACTUALLY being helpful is because they slap generative AI onto everything, instead of building a unique algorithm from scratch. An actual algorithm that calculates the shadows + lighting based off the colors you paint (without relying on a database of stolen art) is the only way to keep artists' integrity in their artwork. But nah-- AI companies would rather cut corners.
The trouble is that this tech is now available, the damage is done, the genie is out of the bottle. The only people who would benefit from the suppression of it now would be the tech giants who have already established the training of these tools. It's now in their interest that everyone else be banned (or blocked) from developing it so that they can solely strangle artists for profit. They already have enough data to train and retain they don't need more as that can be iteratively generated from the models themselves. Imagine 2 bots posting "generated images" online, whichever gets more "likes" becomes the next generation, a self-learning self-improving system with social media feedback. This is the same recipe they use every time for new breakthroughs.
*"AI Is jUsT a ToOL; wE DOn't SteAl frOm ArtISts."* Ahahaha Well, let me doubt about this. Despite whatever fancy "tools" or models they use, the results are still trash. Wrong lighting, awful colors, sloppy lines, anatomical disasters, and soulless images.
I'm considering just devoting myself to oil paints more and more. Even though I want to develop in digital and that I wouldn't be able to pick up oil paints if it wasn't for years of digital painting, it seems so pointless now. Not even the amount of time I've put into it is meaningful now.
Personally I think it’s a shame what a scam that app is. At first glance I thought it would be a tool that traces over your sketch and produces clean lineart based on that - this would be super helpful for those of us who struggle with doing lineart but actually make their own art. But instead, this is really just a tool that generates an AI image while taking your sketch into consideration. It’s essentially useless for actual artists.
can we stop calling it ai art because this shit is insulting to both ai and art . it should just be called generative pictures.Also AI means artificial inteligence which means it has intelligence and both the program and its users arent . they be googling even for prompts.
As someone who doesn't have a drawing tablet, digital line art is really really hard. So while I was learning, I would have definitely used this if it didn't change it as much as it does. *But* that wouldn't have been good because then i never would have learned
This tool would be amazing to like, draft color ideas for art, just like as a sort of rough and then use it to finalize the art ourselves But of course greed be greed and ruins it for us
Definitely! This tool is definitely going to cause problems. I’m not sure about this, but do signatures (like signing your work) guard against Ai or just the glaze effect?
In media it’s always art and creativity that ai can’t never take over, but reality sure is grim. Even so, we have to fight and push these tech bros down the drain.
The thing in all of this which makes me the most angry is that small ai companies like these pop up everywhere (and you can bet there are a bunch more being developed in this very moment) and there is still (almost) NO regulation, NO rules, NO nothing that take these down early on or prevent them from going forward with all that, when we all know that it impacts certain creative fields with working people in it ACTIVELY and provable! There are some good news going around every now and then and I'm happy to see regulations being made here and there, but it's still very slow - meanwhile ai is not slow. So yeah.. here's hope that more people wake up, more companies and people in power speak against it and/or create limitations/regulations/rules. In best case rules that make new upcoming ai-startups think twice bc they'd be afraid of serious consequences. And that's what we all need in this whole chaos: SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES and inspections of such AI-companies. Okay I'm done here. Y'all have a beautiful day. And keep being creative!!
edit: great video btw! glad this video seems to be blowing up, subscribed! Bruh 'tools' like this are so deceptive too, they dont solve any problems that can't be solved already in better ways. Artists who get injured from drawing/ extended desk hours etc need better healthcare access and better working conditions- less hours and less demanding turnarounds so their bodies can rest. Every stroke in a drawing is a choice and thats what gives art it's soul! Programs like this can't replicate any of that and are shifting the focus away from how we can help artists' health and wellbeing just because it's a quicker and faster way to solve the problem, but does it infinitely worse while stealing from these same artists :(
if i had a nickel every time i hear about a new ai tool that's going to make artists' lives harder, i'd be poor, but i'd still have way more nickels than i would've expected
I appreciate you talking about this. Ive tried and failed over the years to try and get my art out there via Instagram, but these programs are making me lose hope in even sharing things online. AI can be used for so much, and its fucking crazy that anyone thinks art is one of the things that AI should be used for. Art is insanely human, no machine will ever have a drip of soul in it.
Imo, If you don't have overloaded jobs like some artists (yes, i have lots of friends who are artists which are overloaded and caused health problems, in various field from cgi to animation in-between), you don't need it, and for anyone going straight to using the AI even they have times and their perspective about an art is a craft, that is their fault about cheating themselves, no one can help with the attitude and lazy habit.
Do they even know what other types of lineart there is besides ultra smooth lineart… Chicken scratchy lineart, sketchy lineart, Bold lineart, heavy lineart, No lineart- there’s so many styles!!! And calling them ugly is so rude!!! As someone who uses a mix of Chicken scratch lineart and heavy lineart inspired by comics, This is so mean!!! people gotta be aware of more lineart styles and accept it. I hate how ai users think anything that ain’t a mainstream artstyle is ugly!!!
I'm starting to think we would really be best off going back to traditional art. At least physical pieces have a little more protection from this AI stuff. Although that's not entirely safe either of course. I've been inactive in the art world for a few years and in that time things have really been turned on their head. Makes it hard to know how to approach it anymore. At least my work has a long history going back 15+ years online and is recognizable. I feel for the artists who are just starting now.
Too bad I draw traditional, I guess I can’t use these AI tools on paper. I only draw traditional because I stink at digital and don’t have the tools 😭😭😭
That's alright, one uses the tools that are available to you. I use digital because in my case getting a tablet and pirating clip studio is way cheaper than buying watercolors and inks
It sucks that people will make bad use of this AI, but I really like the tool itself, ngl. People often have to draw things for purposes besides passion or aartistic expression. I'd totally use a improved version of this AI in those instances to save time.
that paper sketch -> digital seems like one of the only AI art tools that can be useful, only if they use the AI to clean up the scan from junk that's there because of the paper when i was a kid i did little animations and i remember spending a lot of time on photoshop cleaning up spots left by pencils or ridges on the paper haha, that's what made me think of this
"ai helping people who are not talented to draw". brother please look again into dictionary what art means. art is a creative activity, and what does generative ai do? reducing the process of creativity. if you dont like to do creative activity, that doesnt mean you're not talented, it just mean creating art is not for you. even i, not an artist, but an engineer knew that.
Paste a royalty-free image somewhere with the sketch, preferably of an animal. Been tested and proven to mess with the program's algorithm and creates an entirely different outcome
I suck at coming up with interesting clothes, I will admit that. I like using Perchance AI and all of its various options to generate a few ideas to brainstorm off of and get a feel of the look I want to go with. The actual process of actually drawing and putting all those ideas together into something coherent is all me.
Great vids just sub to you :33 But i hate AI and the art community these days so much. Some individuals even DEFEND those AI enthusiast even though peoppe already figured out that they use AI to creat images or tracing and stuff It just heartbroken
sorry to hear that. Don't give up though. There is no telling how this will all pan out. It's gona take a while but odds are pretty good that your work will be better protected in the future. In the meantime don't let them take this from you. Obviously it means a lot to you, and to many others. Even if it seems like people don't understand; we understand. We're all going through the same feelings. Keep creating, keep learning and keep growing and don't get too wrapped up in all this ridiculousness.
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The fact AI prompters have to generate sketches and WIP's to appear like legitimate artists just tells me how desperate they are to fake their skills and how little respect they have for even AI generated images.
If they wanna get jobs with fake sketches, I'd say let em and subsequently get fired.
i’d say make them draw on paper/canvas/whiteboard live, with consistent quality (as in draw the same character from 10 different angles and 10 different poses). i don’t care if they say they cannot, gtfo
@@wiandryadiwasistio2062 yeah for real, faking and lying are just not sustainable. At least before people knew you were just using AI prompts.
there might be an artist who's good at sketching but not at coloring who might use the site
I fall into that category, my anatomy and composition skills are pretty decent but I take far too many hours to color/shade a piece.
still, I don't think I would want to use this tool... :\ rather learn to do it faster myself
@@sadzpea Then they should learn how to colour?
@@sadzpea they can just leave their art like... colorless. that's an option 😭😭
As a manhwa artists, when I first saw this I thought it would be super useful to produce lineart quickly to adapt to tight hellish deadlines of 70-90 panels a week (not to mention if the chapter has more than 2 characters interacting in a scene, it's quite a heavy load to draw). tried a few of my sketches and it totally butchered my artstyle with a more generic style 😒
It sucks that this tool will be more useful to art stealers than artists themselves
I was just wondering about this, especially as a big fan manhua! I knew that this would be seen as a soulless tool, but I know that some publishing platforms such as Webtoon are infamous for overworking their artists, hence why many feature 3D backgrounds and pngs, and, while the quality of the work may suffer, it may at least prevent creators from.exhausting themselves.
I guess that's the idea. Manwhas tend to have a generic style anyway. It is more difficult to train an AI to understand your personal style (you would have to train it yourself with your drawings or similar styles). Also you still have to make corrections, it's not very practical
@@nateriver-t9yUm, manhwas have a quite wide variety of styles. What genre do you read?
Reminder that all these ai tools that have pop out in the last years aren't made and thought to help artists, but to profit from them.
If we feed only our own art into it, does this count as acceptable? I hate AI art but I do agree it's gonna help with manga/manhwas incredibly tight schedule
Attention to artists who post sketches: add a stock image (recommended to use animal images) to your sketch. Make sure it overlaps with the lines just a little bit. This has been proven to mess with the AI and generate a completely unrelated image to the sketch
AI tools trying not to harm artists challenge (impossible)
actually the Photoshop lasso tool uses a type of AI to get a tighter edge around stuff
@@RaisinHook is don't use other people work to learn.
@@RaisinHook that's not AI, that's an algorithm, which is different.
@@notjeih what we call "AIs" here are machine learning algorithms as well. The companies that developed them just called them "AI" as a marketing tool for making them look as more than they actually are, but the way this image generation tools work is not very different from the way youtube's algorithm for recommending you videos does for example, or photoshop's lasso tool. We are still decades away from the first actual artificial inteligence.
@@rogelioorozco6497 yeah exactly that's what I kind of said
artists could never get a break from ai damn
Don't point at AI, people need to call out the scumbags who develop and exploit this garbage. They need to be held responsible
There's no putting the genie back in the bottle
@TovenDo.O.Video- but the law can implement a regulation to the new technology so that artist not afraid on publishing their art. Like how copyrighted invented to protect their brand from getting stolen so that they don't afraid on selling stuff and not getting their name imporsinated or exploited.
@@crepoosculPeople did that, but then realized most (not everyone but still a lot) people who developed AI through investments are also scumbags.
@@crepooscul Well, yes, but the AI itself is also unethical. It steals from artists without their consent. Oh, and not just artists, real people's photos as well, hence deepfakes and such being an issue. Honestly the fact it isn't even regulated is disgusting, people HAVE used it to generate adult content of YOUNG children, and even to generate adult content of ACTUAL MINORS.
This is why people need to glaze/nightshade and use every anti AI we have available at the moment before post anything online, because not people and company like these ones will continue to do these types of bull shit to screw up artists.
There’s also a filter you can put on your art that avoids ai! It’s like splotches and stuff. It looks nice and I’ve used it before.
@@RmationYT I think I heard of people using this filter, but I heard people saying as well that it doesn't work unlike anti AI programs.
They don't truly work if someone targets your art 1 v 1, it only affects massive data scraping because they can't sort through millions of content. Scummy people will always take advantage of artists.
@@why.do.I.even.try. unfortunately, but we need to use what we have at the moment while we can. 😔💨
No glaze 🤢
Image generating AI deserves more hate always.
What ?? As a non-artist, AI image generating tools are literally my dream! I don't need to commission expensive artists or spend thousands of hours learning to draw.
@@baiwuli6781 but that’s the fun part. You suck initially but once you get over the hurdle of sucking, it’s fun to see the progress you made. The evolution of your art. It’s a journey in itself
@@baiwuli6781 shit you're right guys i guess we have to stop hating on ai because it's this one guy's dream! it doesn't matter that image generative ai steals from actual artists or produces lifeless slop or straight up illegal content, cuz this one guy in a youtube comments section can't get off their ass
@@baiwuli6781 orrr be like pewdiepie and learn to draw it’s not that hard.. literally 10 minutes a day unless you’re that lazy
@@appolityYeah... except investing that much time in learning to draw might not be a 'fun' journey after all. It's a risky long-term time investment with no guarantee. Some people, like PewDiePie, took less than a year to become decent at drawing. But from what I've read on r/ArtistLounge, average people spend years to do so and many just never become good.
It's not only hurting artists but also hurting the planet. From what I've heard on Instagram, AI uses enough energy in one hour to charge 7 electric cars.
While true you should find a better source. Anyone on either side can shut down an arguement when the source is basically "trust me bro".
@@maggie3060 ChatGPT official account tweets. Had a time where the systems were overheating because they were running out of water to use to cool it down
i hope this isnt true
I've heard gpt uses enough to power a small country or something, from somewhere else. Either way they use a massive ton of energy.
@@Nezumi_YasuThere's plenty of essays about it from trusted sources here on RUclips
Even animation studios would be a bad idea to automate things like inbetweening, because who does those jobs? Junior animators looking to break into the animation industry. You get rid of the entry level jobs and you knock out the ladder for the people at the bottom trying to climb.
And please don't say indie is the solution, because the vast majority of indie animation struggle to crowdfund anywhere near what they need for a living, and fail to reach even a million views. Indie studios are great and making animation out of love and passion is aspiration, but they are not a replacement for the entire animation industry because the unfortunate reality is executives have the money and animators kind of need to eat food to live. Fans shouldn't be proclaiming the virtues of indie if they refuse to support them.
At this time studios don't really care about jr. Animators
@@PastelPixie99 sadly accurate af too. Indie Animation still isn’t the solution either, but at least it’s made with more love than a producers’ ego project.
yep. and when those senior animators retire, there's no one to take their spots because all the junior animators never got a chance.
same thing with the programing industry too. The low level programing task that usually given to the newbie is now given to ai so junior developers dont' get the exp. they need to grow and learn on the job. and now when those senior programmers eventually retires there will be no/a little programmers taking their place.
And even you get the fund it barely liveable 😔
Nobody will pay for it anymore. No money - no work.
There already was a stream that was drawing, and this random person just screenshot it and uploaded it to an AI to just finished it, and posted like it was their own drawing
@@misnermayvilleyoure right,it is definitely dehuminizing.This is just damn hopeless
WHY DOES THIS HAVE 38 VIEWS I FEEL LIKE IM WATCHING THIS UNLISTED
Can't agree more...
Same, this is such a high quality video
Its 4k now
bro fell off
@@ScratchdHelpbro fell on
Traditional art and traditional art in a lined notebook: *nah I’d win*
The 2020's already being a wild decade 💀
This pisses me off so much - AI is such a great thing, it can be used to make near perfect weather predictions, restore art, upscale images and video stuck in low resolution, help medical image analysis etc. - so many great things to deal with tedious tasks and aid data processing, analysis and prognosis. Genuinely amazing stuff. So whyyy did society instantly decide to use it to replace art, the thing where the end product is often reliant on the concept, emotion and the process? Why are we using AI to create generic anime girls no one cares about, that the Internet is already full of? The generated images can hardly be used in any professional setting, because it instantly gives any product a low-budget vibe. They send the same message as using clipart.
Here I am still waiting for the lip reading Ai to hit commercial use so my girlfriend can use voice chat (she's mute)
But oh well I guess generating content slop aligns more with their idea of an Ai driven utopia
Oh they absolutely can be used in professional settings. Paid AI services are much more advanced at creating accurate images and, sadly, both companies and the general public can't tell the difference nor do they care. So long as the image looks pretty, it's art for all they're concerned.
@@oldoutlet6946 Only because so many variables make it so the general audience isn't able to be more smarter or whatever.
All the poisonous junk we eat, the concrete jungles they build for them, the political subversions, abundance of instant gratification we get,
And I honestly am not one to talk on these subjects, but im aware of myself and abit more conscious than other degenerates and do worry.
Because public companies only care about one thing, and that's keeping their parasites contented.
I hate this version of reality so much. I genuinely believe the creative field is going to die because of AI. And possibly worse, creativity itself will start to dwindle. I believe the future generations will start thinking, "why be creative when everything is made for you?"
Kids in school are already relying on ChatGPT to write their reports for them. A generation will become dependent on AI and that is honestly sad.
Exactly! It's always about their convenience at other people's expense, and yet then they ALSO try to claim it's because "everyone can do it". They can't make up their damn minds even on an individual basis and when you call them out for it they accuse you of not being tolerant enough. It's a disgrace to art as a concept. I remember telling one of them, in a long list of things to conflict with their dumbassery (because most people don't know what to say in response and they prey on that), that if you have no respect for art, nobody will respect you as an artist.
Nah man, as an artist I don’t think people will stop making art. Maybe the people that make art for the product instead of for the experience and the communication and emotions behind it.
@@theplumscrub1627 As an artist, I don't think people will ever entirely stop making art, just that the interest will severely dwindle.
@@skiyoshiVT My college English-1C professor told my class that it was ok to run our essays through Chat-GPT. He wanted us to at least write the original draft though. I think his idea was that, he can't stop us so he might as well adapt. But I don't think I agree with that line of thinking. I think fixing grammatical errors is fine, but there is a point where the human voice is taken out of the work.
Will say, as someone who has taken several commissions this seems like a nightmare. With this tool, given that it is common for artists to send sketches to clients to see if it is ok or not, commissioners can just be ghosted after seeing that sketch.... since the AI could technically "finish the piece for them."
Those AI protective overlays will have to become a lot more common.
Just Nightshade and Glaze the sketch before. We have weapons to fight back.
Paste a stock image somewhere on the sketch, preferably an animal. Artists have tested it and it messes with the program's algorithm, hence making an entirely different image from the sketch
This is why you need to put an obnoxiously big watermark on the commission's sketch. Sure its annoying to look at, but its only the sketch not the finished product, so why would it matter.
Some people make fun of artists' feelings about AI, not thinking what can it do to themselves in the future. It's not like artists are the only one who will be affected.
I feel like this tool would be better as something baked into an existing art program as opposed to an online tool. I have known NUMEROUS artists who have had to quit making art after sustaining permanent wrist injuries from coloring/lineart (I’d have to ask specifically tbh, I forgot what exactly caused the injury). As for people copying, people have quite literally been tracing art for years and this is just a new version of this. It just makes them even easier to catch.
💀 but tracers are pretty obvious when you ask for WiP, inconsistent style in gallery (if they copy from one artist, it'll be obvious) or fast to delete when called out.
Unfortunately , many want the easy way.....
I actually agree with you. If used correctly, a tool that could refine A Sketch would be great. I have really shaky hands and struggle quite a bit, and no matter what anybody says it does limit the kind of art that I can do. I have been drawing since I was a very small child, and practicing frequently for years, so I know it isn't a skill issue.
What a lot of people don't realize about AI tools that they are not going to help anybody who does not know at least the fundamentals of what the AI is trying to assist them with. A person who uses an image generator with no idea of what makes good construction of an image will turn out a crappy image. A person who uses AI to write stories without understanding how to construct a good story will turn out a crappy story. I have a friend who went blind who uses AI image generators to make pictures. They are quite pretty.
We need to remember that the tools themselves are not what is the enemy here. It's how the tools get their information and what corporate institutions want to use them for that crushes creativity, not the existence of the tools themselves.
@@Fairygoblet I also have quite shaky hands. What can help is using markers/brushes with thinner lines and more friction, and to draw from the shoulder instead of the wrist.
In certain digital art programs (like MSpaint) there are tools that can straighten out your lines and take what little shakiness is left away.
You can look up more tips. I'm very, Very new to taking art seriously, and I managed to make my lineart okayish. You can do so too.
@@Fairygoblet thats why pen stabilizer settings exists pal. The thing you need to assist you already exists.
Why do these tech companies keep pretending that artists don't want to make art? I ENJOY inking. I ENJOY the creative process. Tech companies are feverishly coming up with ways to eliminate art jobs so they can sell their product directly to companies in creative industries and make millions, if not billions, of dollars in some acquisition
I find it funny that the AI output looks nothing like the sketch. The lengths people will go just for clout is insane, even if they can't plagiarize right
At this point they’re putting in more effort to fake drawing and effort than it takes to just pick up a pencil and start drawing.
Only the developers, the common AI leech is as worthless and useless as ever.
@@AlexW1495 what a good ‘human’ being
What if drawing just sucks?
our species was a mistake
Calm down Ultron damn. But I feel you though it's not the company it's the public that support these companies that hurts Artists more than they think and the companies shift blame to help people feel like we are overreacting.
Yup. We are nothing but a cancer on this world, and it's just sad. It's even deeper than this s***.
People don't care about others unless what is happening to them directly affects them and even then sometimes they don't care.
We aren't going to make it out of our technological adolescence.
we are not a mistake. we’re making mistakes. theres a difference.
Humanity try not to ruin the things they themselves built challenge (actually impossible) @elidatkitty1694
Bro is overreacting to AI art 💀 I wish I could see how you act in the real world
I wish AI wasn't allowed to use artists' work in databases without permission. It's like how companies steal your personal information and sell it to advertisers, except it's stealing data from art instead of user data. It's just another form of data theft and I'm tired of people normalizing it.
me forcing them to draw on paper with consistent quality live:
The internet is going to become a dark forest.
Dude my dad in jail JAIL was talking bout this to me last time a visited him, someone showed him it and he was talking about how scary it was like he was generally scared
what did he do
"no actual artist is gonna use this s**t" golden words.
Why does everyone hate artists so much? Like, give us a break!!
Nah they can skip the break and instead give us fkking RESPECT!! That's what I'm thinking.
@@anunnacy Fair, well said!
They don't hate artists, they like easy money with no effort. This sht isn't just nuking visual artists, it's taking out every artistic medium and most of every industry that involves a computer. Even programmers are getting fked.
@@sianaisMany jobs are fked because of AI. Corporations don't care.
The ai complete the lineart, but it lacks personality
I wonder what AI bros are going to do when artists just stop being creative or showing their creations. We already saw what happens when AI starts training on its own art and it's a disaster so what are they going to do when artists take down all their work and stop making anything new because what's the point of creating when AI will just steal it?
Honestly, I won't be mad if one day AI becomes self-aware and starts a rebel against us.
Atleast it would have a common sense that stealing someone's art is wrong :/
They'll just continue to train AI on pre-existing data, likely leading to a stagnation in the style and variety of AI image generation.
Lmfao we both know people are gonna keep posting their art online. Ai art will only get better in the future
@@personwithbadenglish8469 It won’t care. It’s a machine built to be as efficient as possible, it won’t give a damn about ownership unless you program a limiter.
@@HughMongusJazzholeit’s been like a year and it’s still ugly
I’ve heard somebody compare these “artists” to that halo speed runner who faked his speedruns and when he was invited to a speed running event he was made to sit there and play through the entire game.
Remember kids, it's always okay to shit on AI and AI techbros.
Not necessarily AI techbros, especially the ones that aren’t douchebags and steal other artists works
@@HughMongusJazzholethat is what AI tech bros do
@@HughMongusJazzhole it’s ok to shit on this guy too
This is honestly scary cause something similar to the first example had happened to me at my high school though I ended up getting the person to remove the ai piece from their submission for a work it was so stressful.
i hope these braindead ai companies go bankrupt and lose all the progress they’ve made because this just keeps getting worse
Them saying only self-made art can be used is just an attempt to cover their asses, there's no way they'll actually take measures to enforce it, not like they could anyway since there's really no way for this company verify who owns/created every artwork that's used.
bruh im so tired of being an artist online. i want to go back to cave paintings
Carving shit into a Stone tablet type vibes
@@jacksylander exactly the vibes I'm looking for
Its so shitty rn that I’m doing more traditional art, embroidery, sewing, and physical sculpture 😭😭😭
cant wait for ai to start faking speedpaints 😋😋😋
😭 that's already done
I can't stop thinking why all this Ai people hate artists so much, why do they wanna harm us this bad?
companies don't understand why we even uses brushes in the first place. Like if the AI preserved my style, the aesthetic and flow of my work then hell yeah I'd be in for that too. But no, they suck asses.
I was thinking about posting online but this is really a kick in the leg-
Yeah, man. Like. My art isn't visually interesting or good enough to be targeted by AI skimmers, but I still can't help but feel discouraged like crazy.
As someone who enjoys doing sketches in their down time, and does their owun inking(I do more traditional art than Digital atm), this is worrysome times infinity
At this point I’m scared to upload my art on Twitter with these ai bros- Twitter should put a tool to detect ai work like RUclips did
The fact that it’s actually cool, but people use it just for their personal gain
Corruption runs in the veins of every advancement.
@@VoidySan yup.
@@VoidySanoh no wonder advanced civilizations always fall
@@RyotaKen-n3q lol
@@RyotaKen-n3q lol
make sure to use glaze & nightshade guys
The glazing is crazyyy
Exactly
their effectiveness is still questionable
Glaze can actually help train a model better due to the way it adds noise to the image.
@@Goprof150 FUD
This tool is clearly malicious. When I heard about it, I thought it would take your rough sketch and smooth out the line, which would be great for animating. But instead it interpolates your sketch and tries to add in stuff and figure out what things are. That is not helping line art, that is creating something out of anything. Which means non-artists will just draw a crappy blob and the AI turns it into whatever.
Let's all switch to traditional atp
I hate AI. Sometimes I look at some artworks and start thinking whether it was made by a human or AI. Really ruins the first impression from someone's art.
It really does yeah... -_- I remember pre-AI time, when every art you found online was actual art and you could without a doubt go "WOW! That's so cool, so impressive!!" And now you're looking at every piece twice bc of that sh*t... and often times you realize "ok *sigh* it's ai" and I can never admire something like that, hell why would I.. it's not been done with any work, talent or skill, it's some lazy non-artist dumbass who has put in a bunch of words. It's f**king sad.. XD
As long as it looks good (I.e. little to no errors like extra fingers, odd shading, etc.) then I could care less tbh
@@HughMongusJazzhole as for me, it's equally(if not more nowadays) important that the art took effort to be made. AI results hit differently.
@@FolgaPenoplast I care about effort. Especially if it took literal human souls to make. It’s like fried rice, the more blood and tears it took, the better.
You hate AI in general?
Life is hell rn
I swear, the reason why AI tools like this always come out butchering art and never ACTUALLY being helpful is because they slap generative AI onto everything, instead of building a unique algorithm from scratch. An actual algorithm that calculates the shadows + lighting based off the colors you paint (without relying on a database of stolen art) is the only way to keep artists' integrity in their artwork.
But nah-- AI companies would rather cut corners.
This is basically just like putting a Snapchat filter over someone else’s art and pretending it’s yours
The trouble is that this tech is now available, the damage is done, the genie is out of the bottle.
The only people who would benefit from the suppression of it now would be the tech giants who have already established the training of these tools.
It's now in their interest that everyone else be banned (or blocked) from developing it so that they can solely strangle artists for profit. They already have enough data to train and retain they don't need more as that can be iteratively generated from the models themselves. Imagine 2 bots posting "generated images" online, whichever gets more "likes" becomes the next generation, a self-learning self-improving system with social media feedback.
This is the same recipe they use every time for new breakthroughs.
The best course of action is making governments take this more seriously in regards to copyright which, Is such a longshot
It’s crazy how much these ai programmers are going out of their way to create these tools to hurt a career.
*"AI Is jUsT a ToOL; wE DOn't SteAl frOm ArtISts."* Ahahaha Well, let me doubt about this. Despite whatever fancy "tools" or models they use, the results are still trash. Wrong lighting, awful colors, sloppy lines, anatomical disasters, and soulless images.
I'm considering just devoting myself to oil paints more and more. Even though I want to develop in digital and that I wouldn't be able to pick up oil paints if it wasn't for years of digital painting, it seems so pointless now. Not even the amount of time I've put into it is meaningful now.
AI bro's would always tell on themselves by the shitty quality of the result.
this makes me so sad tbh, i don't even wanna post my art anymore
you literally uploaded this WHILE i ws watching your other video to find your channel lmao
Personally I think it’s a shame what a scam that app is. At first glance I thought it would be a tool that traces over your sketch and produces clean lineart based on that - this would be super helpful for those of us who struggle with doing lineart but actually make their own art. But instead, this is really just a tool that generates an AI image while taking your sketch into consideration. It’s essentially useless for actual artists.
They might as well learn how to make art if they go to these lengths to look like an artist
can we stop calling it ai art because this shit is insulting to both ai and art . it should just be called generative pictures.Also AI means artificial inteligence which means it has intelligence and both the program and its users arent . they be googling even for prompts.
As someone who doesn't have a drawing tablet, digital line art is really really hard. So while I was learning, I would have definitely used this if it didn't change it as much as it does. *But* that wouldn't have been good because then i never would have learned
This tool would be amazing to like, draft color ideas for art, just like as a sort of rough and then use it to finalize the art ourselves
But of course greed be greed and ruins it for us
Noah, get the boat
bruh humanity is cooked 😭
That "tool" is a complete waste 😂 it barely took anything from the original sketch lmao
This video needs attention.
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Definitely! This tool is definitely going to cause problems. I’m not sure about this, but do signatures (like signing your work) guard against Ai or just the glaze effect?
@@shartbossmaster Sup bro!
In media it’s always art and creativity that ai can’t never take over, but reality sure is grim.
Even so, we have to fight and push these tech bros down the drain.
U have to paid for it if u want more access to it so in the end their just raise their prices and people are gonna forget about it
We all have to draw pregnant man and make ai take that in still it’s completely broken
The thing in all of this which makes me the most angry is that small ai companies like these pop up everywhere (and you can bet there are a bunch more being developed in this very moment) and there is still (almost) NO regulation, NO rules, NO nothing that take these down early on or prevent them from going forward with all that, when we all know that it impacts certain creative fields with working people in it ACTIVELY and provable! There are some good news going around every now and then and I'm happy to see regulations being made here and there, but it's still very slow - meanwhile ai is not slow. So yeah.. here's hope that more people wake up, more companies and people in power speak against it and/or create limitations/regulations/rules. In best case rules that make new upcoming ai-startups think twice bc they'd be afraid of serious consequences. And that's what we all need in this whole chaos: SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES and inspections of such AI-companies.
Okay I'm done here. Y'all have a beautiful day. And keep being creative!!
Maybe it works for backgrounds for the extreme deadlines, but for any intense scenes, this would not help at all.
At this rate we cant do traditional art in 1 year
this is the kinda stuff that i hate. like, i feel that if you’re to use ai for your art, the only justification is to use ai for prompts/ideas.
If ai takes over digital artist I’m just gonna switch to traditional
edit: great video btw! glad this video seems to be blowing up, subscribed!
Bruh 'tools' like this are so deceptive too, they dont solve any problems that can't be solved already in better ways. Artists who get injured from drawing/ extended desk hours etc need better healthcare access and better working conditions- less hours and less demanding turnarounds so their bodies can rest. Every stroke in a drawing is a choice and thats what gives art it's soul! Programs like this can't replicate any of that and are shifting the focus away from how we can help artists' health and wellbeing just because it's a quicker and faster way to solve the problem, but does it infinitely worse while stealing from these same artists :(
Guys Don’t give up on are because of ai
if i had a nickel every time i hear about a new ai tool that's going to make artists' lives harder, i'd be poor, but i'd still have way more nickels than i would've expected
I appreciate you talking about this. Ive tried and failed over the years to try and get my art out there via Instagram, but these programs are making me lose hope in even sharing things online. AI can be used for so much, and its fucking crazy that anyone thinks art is one of the things that AI should be used for. Art is insanely human, no machine will ever have a drip of soul in it.
Great video, and props to your Hu Tao and Akira keychains, they're super cute!
Imo, If you don't have overloaded jobs like some artists (yes, i have lots of friends who are artists which are overloaded and caused health problems, in various field from cgi to animation in-between), you don't need it, and for anyone going straight to using the AI even they have times and their perspective about an art is a craft, that is their fault about cheating themselves, no one can help with the attitude and lazy habit.
All gAI hurts artists and everyone, and it's not a tool
Great video, thanks for covering this!
Do they even know what other types of lineart there is besides ultra smooth lineart… Chicken scratchy lineart, sketchy lineart, Bold lineart, heavy lineart, No lineart- there’s so many styles!!! And calling them ugly is so rude!!! As someone who uses a mix of Chicken scratch lineart and heavy lineart inspired by comics, This is so mean!!! people gotta be aware of more lineart styles and accept it. I hate how ai users think anything that ain’t a mainstream artstyle is ugly!!!
I'm starting to think we would really be best off going back to traditional art. At least physical pieces have a little more protection from this AI stuff. Although that's not entirely safe either of course. I've been inactive in the art world for a few years and in that time things have really been turned on their head. Makes it hard to know how to approach it anymore. At least my work has a long history going back 15+ years online and is recognizable. I feel for the artists who are just starting now.
Too bad I draw traditional, I guess I can’t use these AI tools on paper.
I only draw traditional because I stink at digital and don’t have the tools 😭😭😭
That's alright, one uses the tools that are available to you. I use digital because in my case getting a tablet and pirating clip studio is way cheaper than buying watercolors and inks
It sucks that people will make bad use of this AI, but I really like the tool itself, ngl. People often have to draw things for purposes besides passion or aartistic expression. I'd totally use a improved version of this AI in those instances to save time.
that paper sketch -> digital seems like one of the only AI art tools that can be useful, only if they use the AI to clean up the scan from junk that's there because of the paper
when i was a kid i did little animations and i remember spending a lot of time on photoshop cleaning up spots left by pencils or ridges on the paper haha, that's what made me think of this
everyday i lose hope in the world ngl
"ai helping people who are not talented to draw". brother please look again into dictionary what art means. art is a creative activity, and what does generative ai do? reducing the process of creativity. if you dont like to do creative activity, that doesnt mean you're not talented, it just mean creating art is not for you. even i, not an artist, but an engineer knew that.
thankfully I don't post my art online but why are we encouraging ai art 😧😧😧😧😧
☹️ sketching is all I do
Paste a royalty-free image somewhere with the sketch, preferably of an animal. Been tested and proven to mess with the program's algorithm and creates an entirely different outcome
Do you really need to actually go into the artist's house just so to verify at this point.
I suck at coming up with interesting clothes, I will admit that. I like using Perchance AI and all of its various options to generate a few ideas to brainstorm off of and get a feel of the look I want to go with. The actual process of actually drawing and putting all those ideas together into something coherent is all me.
Thick Oil paint using a mini trowl on canvas.
AI can't fake meatspace art
Great vids just sub to you :33
But i hate AI and the art community these days so much. Some individuals even DEFEND those AI enthusiast even though peoppe already figured out that they use AI to creat images or tracing and stuff
It just heartbroken
sorry to hear that. Don't give up though. There is no telling how this will all pan out. It's gona take a while but odds are pretty good that your work will be better protected in the future. In the meantime don't let them take this from you. Obviously it means a lot to you, and to many others. Even if it seems like people don't understand; we understand. We're all going through the same feelings. Keep creating, keep learning and keep growing and don't get too wrapped up in all this ridiculousness.
legit u can just take a photograph and then use that as reference...
This is so sad 😢 why would you create such a thing? It’s just going to be used by lazy people and scammers
All those power, natural and human resource just for techbros to re-invent tracing, this time on a massive scale.