Artist's SHOCKING Reasons for Cancelling SpyxFamily Fanart!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Mohammed Agbadi Talking about the spyxfamily fanart that drove twitter artists mad...lmao
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Stuff like this happens all the time. I did fanart of a character who has no canonical race, and made him black literally cuz I wanted to, and people lost their damn minds.
Same, people get soo pissed off when you draw characters outside of their canon race or even when you draw characters with no canon race look none white they get soo heated
Good lmfao
@@spikethebabydragon7719 I dont even get why? Like I get if you're basing a headcanon solely off stereotypes then that's a little questionable but I literally did it solely cuz it just ended up coming together from a number of other interpretations of his character and in the end i just said fuck it and went with the headcanon. But I've never seen anyone else in the fandom design him like that for.. reasons unknown to me tbh
@@canonicallykayfabe Same! Like in the Soul Eater fandom people like to headcanon that one of the characters (Blackstar) is mixed because his skin colour and we don't know his mother but some of the fans get soo annoyed when people do that
this is a real frisk undertale and kris deltarune moment
"well 90% of the characters are white and it needs more representation"
No. Most of the characters are Asian, not white. It's getting rid of representation for one group in favour of another.
Yes, that's what they forgot.
that is what i think as well. we asian aren't white
So many Americans automatically see all light skinned people as white and all dark skinned people as black. They just completely forget all other races it’s insane
Asians aren't a race there is something called a blasian...
I think what they forget is that anime is not made in America and the audience that most animes are trying to reach are Asian and not a lot of Asians have dark skin.
I don't think just playing with headcanons and "what if they were this" like swapping genders or anything is wrong, if you're just being creative and playing around, especially if it's not important to the character.
The problem comes with gatekeeping. "THIS is who they're supposed to be" or "HERE I FIXED IT FOR YOU" like anyone asked or cares. Like the whole Hermione situation. "They never said she was white therefore she MUST be black, no exception" like bro what?? It's a fictional character, chill
that's a good point, and yeah even if its a fictional character with no confirmed race (not even being racecoded), its okay to draw them in any race you want because its just a bit of fun, so drawing them as black is fine but you cant really get mad at them if they draw that non-race fictional character as another race because they have no canon/confirmed race, so yeah it's just a bit of fun, no such thing as, "a character this race looks so much better! i fixed it!" like really it is just a fictional character at the end of the day
Huh? I’m confused about the hermione situation the only thing I’ve seen is ppl being mad she’s blk
@@bolucky564 there is people mad about a lot of things regarding that, but there is a handful of people I've seen being actually a little aggressive about it when people point out that for 8 movies she was white
The example you give is poor, since JKR really likes to change the characters post story for clout and the books really referred her skin to being pale as moonlight or something on the book. Other than that I agree with you.
@@amieebrydges1676 fr
Honestly I cant say I support either blackwashing or whitewashing. Im a black person myself, but I dont think thay its the right way to advocate for representation. The best way is to go and make your own series with POC, which of course I am happy to see that such series are on the rise, ans I plan to make one myself. I have my own characters, and thinking about it from the creators point of view, I just wouldnt want anyone changing my characters- like Its for fun and all and I wont oppose it, but I can say I support it either.
exactly, like, if they make a canonically asian character black then thats kinda taking asian rep away is it not? i understand that there are darkskinned asians but they make them specifically black and then say they are blasian but why change the race when you can just make your own asian/blasian oc? it brings much more representation than making one character something they arent
@@RaidenKunii exactly!
That’s how I feel when I see things like this on Tik Tok
@@RaidenKunii I always felt off when I see people headcanon Mirko as Black mainly because nothing about her really hints that she’s of African descent, and skin color and voice actress doesn’t even make sense to conclude that she’s black. That’s like saying that Hawks is a whitewashed black person mainly due to the voice actor. Some may say “no one is doing or saying that” but you’d be surprised with the various kinds of stupid on Twitter
@@RaidenKunii fun fact: lots of darkskin character in Anime (usually with blonde or white hair) are not black. They are just darkskin gyaru, which is Asian. And of course those "white skin" main characters are NOT white either. When a white character appeared, you can tell by the more realistic style (small blue eyes, bigger longer nose, always blonde).
What I don't like about raceswapping is that it feels disrespectful to the original creator who put a lot of work and thought into their character. It just gives the message of your character isn't good because they aren't x race. So i tend to stick to the source material and to the artist you are watching a japanese anime. A show made in a country where poc aren't common so they make characters they know and understand.
I told people that sometimes people in Asian countries don't know how black/other POC people look like because those people dont really live in those countries especially since most of the languages are hard to learn and i got told that theres plenty of other POC in those countries even though i saw a video of a black person teaching at a japanese school and the japanese kids thought he was made of chocolate because theyve never seen a black person before and are used to the other asian people around them
@@RaidenKunii this is very true. We can't apply our experiences to other people when they live in drastically different nations and have very different ethnicity percentages
I agree with all my heart.
Technically most Japan residents are POC because..they’re Asian.
But I agree with you wholeheartedly!
@@holoangie9106 true but they don't see darker skinned poc
Black-washing definitely exist in art and in history, but I feel like people are only applying to white characters when the majority of characters that are being black washed are canonically not. A lot of people try to claim dark skinned Asian anime characters as black when it’s stated that they’re indigenous Japanese. If anything that’s taking representation away from dark skin Japanese/ Filipino/ east/ south Asians. And By that logic it’s ok for Filipinos or Palestinians to race swap a black character because they have less representation in the animation industry? Being Nigerian we have our own entertainment industry that pretty much lacks Asians or any other group aside from the random white dude that’s a love interest. Even then they’re stereotyped. Black-washing characters does nothing more than piss off the creators and animation studios that will in turn make them react with making less diverse characters. It’s already starting to happen with localizations. I feel like people who don’t think it exist are viewing in through a Americanized lens in their small ass bubble. Like do y’all really think that the black populations around the world really need some west European white guys sloppy seconds to have representation? Nigeria is literally growing in animation studios and projects. Black washing a character won’t put any support on that project since all everyone will focus on is that white or Asian character that became a hand me down.
That being said black-washing doesn’t equal cosplay. You can create fan-art of a you in cosplay as a character ( I’ve done it to peach) but making that character black and topping with off with “ fixed it “ or “ it looks better now” is stupid. Don’t touch other peoples art and just make your own .
this. litarly this!
I always thought this way. Even on this channel, where Mohammed is mostly reasonable, things like saying we "NEED" black (or any race) representation in anime is nonsense to me.
Let Japan create what they want. Yes, some anime have stories in Europe from centuries ago (where it makes sense to have white people as the characters,) but a lot of their stories are very Japan-centric, with Japanese characters and traditions.
I live in Mexico and our entertainment features the type of people and situations we have in Mexico.
In the United States they have their own percentages of racial population, and those can be reflected in their entertainment, that includes when the story happens in a region with higher percentages of a certain race or another. Like, if the story happens in Maine, USA, a lot of white people will be in it. If it happens in Los Angeles, more Black or Latino people will be there, something like that.
As you said, in Nigeria the entertainment industry shows Nigerian people.
It is just people from the United States that want to see other countries entertainment changed to reflect what they want. In this video, Mohammed is guilty of this. But they do not turn their heads to countries like Nigeria to consume their content, which I think would be good to infuse some money that would help create even more content. And then they will say things that sound like all Blacks have the same culture or all Latinos have the same culture, just so they can say things like there is no reason for whites to do this or that because they do not have cultural identity outside of their nationality. It is just deciding to remain ignorant and, as you said, in their own small bubble.
More people need to read your post. No one should need more [insert race] representation in Japanese content.
You said what's on my mind way better than I could ever express.
People who ask for representation always focus on the "best" sources of media like Asian animation/dramas and Hollywood/Netflix (US American kind of media)
And turn a blind eye to the media from other places that DOES give the representation they're asking for.
Maybe they can get upset when said asked representation was poorly made in the targeted "best" media which is all their right to do so cause not including the representation is way better than poor writing for representation (it only leads to stereotypes).
At certain point, I've seen majority of dark skinned (even if just tan) characters being seen as African American in japanese 2D media even if the creator hadn't mentioned the race at all and said artist gets bashed for making the character "too light" in a way forgetting that the lore of the whole series plays a huge factor for the biography of the character.
Like for example: is the character classed to be in realistic setting (as in earth and not imaginary land) ? If yes Where is said setting?
What time period does the setting take place?
And so on and so on...
Drawing self/oc/real person dressed like said character isn't the same as taking a character and changing the racial way of the design comepletly! (drawing non human characters with realistic skin colors can be given a blind eye cause at the end of the day it's just a gold fish with green sneakers)
You expressed all what I was thinking. Excuse me, if what I will say comes as way too “venty”, but I have add it or I will explode:
Honestly, I feel like Mohammed is becoming quite a hypocrite. He gets angry at whitewashing but kinda gives a pass to blackwashing (specifically when is against obvious Asian characters) because “representation” and “they look white anyway”, the worst part that he tries to make himself look like he isn’t supporting blackwashing, that he want us to form our own conclusions, but is obvious that he is supporting it and want us to also support it. It makes me sad but I can’t keep watching a guy like him, I seriously HATE double standards for thing that are wrong no mater who makes it. :S
agreed but im not liking the comment bc i dont wanna mess up the numbers 🥲🥲
as a south east asian person, the argument that you cant draw asian characters dark skinned is just plain stupid. It clearly shows people dont know what theire talking about, since a lot of asian people are dark skinned, in fact, my moms side of the family lives on the countryside, their skintones would literally pass as black, if you didnt know better.
People aren't talking about making dark skinned Asians, they are talking about making them a whole other race. It's why they are talking about blackwashing and black edits, cause it's about turning them into black people, not dark asians
@@SpectreBagels My comment was merely to show the colorism in anime. the fact that me and my family look more like the black edits fans make than actual asian characters is a problem. the fact that theres a severe lack of dark skinned anime characters is a problem.
@@notanybirdie2076 most Asians people see are light skinned so that may be why they think this way which could explain it
@@yulee3266 yeah, most positive asian representation are light skinned east asians, while most negative asian representation is racist west or south asian caricatures in media. theres so much racist middle eastern and indian characters in media it makes me sick. most people also tend to forget theyre asian at all.
@Quantum Sodomy what? I just said some of my south east asian family is about as dark skinned as some black people, doesnt make them black tho. the fact that dark skinned asians arent represented is my problem.
I know it's twitter but being honest, I don't see the problem with no black characters in anime, it is japanese product which takes elements from their land and everyday. I'd like to do something like that with my comic, putting people from my country and here there aren't black people.
I don't get why twitter want everything from around the world to fit their standars, like being different would make us less understandable or human.
yeah this was my main point aswell, since they're literally influenced by their culture and they don't see that many black people everyday so obviously they'll have to draw inspiration from cultures they understand.
This is true. Americans already have the most media out of any country in the world so we have no place trying to demand representation from other countries.
I dont understand where these twitter users get their entitlement, but a lack of black people in most stories (not all) is simply unrealistic. The influence of culture as you described it, (ignoring the racist side of America for a moment) is part of the reason why most forms of media produced in America contained nothing more than white people until more recently. White people were producing and making movies, so they told stories that they were familiar and representative of their wolrd views. I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with it, but in the same vein, I dont see whats wrong with doing the opposite either. Just so long as there isnt some woke or racist agenda then its all good. The diverse cast of the new Spiderman series more realistically reflects the real world and I prefer it that way tbh.
@@leanna3625 that’s true but even in amercia we don’t get enough poc representation and if we do it’s water downed by white oc I think it should be equal and luckily it is equaling out. We just want to be seen and feel happy to see someone like me I always feel happy when it happens maybe as a yt person u may not get it given there’s a lot of rep for ur culture but personally I feel very happy when I see a black person in anime and I hope it can continue
Honestly westerns or maybe specifically Americans, always wants to change the world where it suits them.
But once they disagree with your culture, they will go hellbent in trying to change it. Just rmbr what happened with the Japanese kimono. They were gatekeeping everyone who is non Japanese from wearing it when the Japanese themselves are totally fine with it.
I feel like Americans think the world revolves ard them. They think they have the right to set what is right and what is wrong and we're all just should follow them.
For me, as a black person, I feel I admit I have kind of a vendetta against taking characters and making them black. The reason is because I saw someone racebend my favorite character, who is Japanese, and someone commented under the photo saying how they think he’s more “tolerable,” because he’s black now, and I just haven’t been able to live it down.
That aside, though, I feel like I’d love to see more original characters and storylines, too, because I feel like this amazing edit could have easily been its own character. I mean, I get it. Maybe my argument is valid when it comes down to wanting representation rather than a fun edit, but I guess I just admire originality.
I also saw this race-bending of a character in genshin, her name is YunJin, she's literally wearing chinese opera outfits and sings in chinese. Basically she is filled with chinese culture and someone made her black... They said "Blasians exists" but she's literally already a poc thats oozing so much culture. Why did they have to take away the chinese culture, they always forget asians exists and as an asian myself its sad that we'e getting disregarded...
it could maybe be slightly understandable if they made her tanned, because lots of asian people are tanned too, but it doesnt make them black. Theyre still asian... They were erasing her chinese culture to be more representive of black people but not realising they are not letting the asian character represented...
Yeah but shouldnt it be okay if its just for fun? I didnt see where this person said they were fixing the art or anything
I’m black as well and I think “black washing” should be fine, since people just want to feel included as black people, and I get that. But saying that it’s “BETTER” or “TOLERABLE” is just wrong. If people enjoy making there favourite characters black is fine but it isn’t better then the original is kind of sad, especially since they belong to another race. I think making your own original black or POC characters is better then just changing the race of existing ones.
Ur black
Everyday I feel sorry for people who just wanna draw their fanart and are attacked for no reason
kinda why i just post art on the youtube community tab tbh
That's why I don't draw fanart bro
That ain’t fanart…
Years ago it was common to just re draw the clothes and hair and face from a screenshot of an anime and all, using the same anime art style. I remember on DeviantArt it was the case. It's weird now
@@KrabbyPattySecretForumla it literally is.
Tbh, I think part of the reason why people are so defensive when you change something in a fanart or fanfic is that current media culture is OBSESSED with remakes. It's one thing when you're just a fan creating something that will never be cannon, but at this point it's getting hard to tell fanfic from a canon reboot, sequel or a reworking of an existing beloved series. My conspiracy theory is that the media makes bad reboots/sequels specifically when they know the fandom doesn't want any changes to canon as outrage bait.
its because it dared touch the anime community which would rather die on their hill than see any real change from what theyre used to seeing
The reason that I don’t like race swapping with reboots or remakes is because they’re switching one type for another (red heads and black people) and this continues the trend of putting one down to make the other popular over and over and over again. It does not fix the problem. That’s why we need more unique and new characters instead of rehashing old characters with new faces.
Back in the day, red heads were the most unwanted children in the US, that’s why the original Annie was a redhead. Then they made the new Annie black, which in my opinion was insane. It was like saying black children are unlovable and unwanted for adoption. Yet they have the highest adoption numbers in the US right now. Asian children are actually the lowest. So really, the new Annie should have been Asian, but whatever I guess. And it’s almost always redheads, never any other race or hair colour. So now our representation is dwindling. I just don’t understand why both aren’t being represented. Why is it always one or the other?
@@1DoctorWolf i can tell you first hand, the anime community does not car about different races appearing in their media
@@Scruffy-qi3ik the whole point of their animated work is to tell a story
That's all about it.
Imagine asking for realistic accurate representations when their own Japanese characters have unnatural features like hair and eye color.
@@screamingladybug6006 Being a red head isnt a race, it doesnt really need representation... Im not for making white characters black for the sake of being black though, thats super disingenuous, and is just pandering. Making original black characters (preferably by black artists in the industry) is definitely the goal. BUT if someone makes fanart of an established character as another race it really shouldnt matter... its fanart, its personal
Would it also be okay to turn a black character to another race? There’s no excuse but double standards.
It just doesn’t make sense to do so anyways. Why does the thought to raceswap come into mind in the first place?
To draw a character with the intent of it being you cosplaying them is so much different.
Too bad we live in a world where race can get problematic.
It’s more the fact that a lot of other races are represented in some ‘mainstream’ ways. Changing a black character to an Indian one is perfectly ok, but changing a black character to a white character in the entertainment scene where they are already extremely represented, it then becomes a problem.
But, because it’s fanart, it doesn’t even matter. This only becomes a problem when it’s changing the actors playing people or something of a similar notion.
I literally heard of a person getting attacked because they made the bully black 😉
people complain about racism and then go ahead and commit racism just because "white people arent oppressed" as if the whole thing of beating racism isnt to unite everyone
@@user-en5gu7nf4v That's equillity and not equallity.
Can we try and get better representation instead of making other characters that are white poc? Or making poc white? I know it’s not the same, but i think we shouldn’t meddle with the characters. *cough* zeefixesart *cough* make your own art at least and don’t draw over the frame…
LEAVE RACE ALONE!!!
sheeeshhh that name..is sending me
If you're intent is to improve representation, then I am with you in most cases
If its for fan art funsies then IDC
@@Dasaltwarrior Raceswapping doesn't do anything for representation since that isn't the actual character
@@SpectreBagels
Yes, thats what I was agreeing on
@@Dasaltwarrior OH snap sorry I misread
imagine Asians asking to be represented in a African produced animation series XD.
lmaooooo now i'd love to see that tho lmao
this is so simple and i love it. since anime is mostly japan, its actually nothing wrong if they never even include another race, its their product right? imagine if anime was originate from black people, wouldnt it be weird if asian keep making the black characters, asian?
@@izzahshahril8465 it’s the double standard, because black people cry when they don’t see brown in their favorite show, and feel entitled to swap their race just to have more lazy representation.
@@izzahshahril8465 are asians the only ppl that live in japan?? yes or no
@@itsnatyo But is it wrong that most characters in a Japanese animation are asian? Yes or no. It's a Japanese animation, Japanese are asian, what did you expect.
I think the problem's about this edit, althroug adorable and well done, is that it's no longer Anya, every key characteristic she had have been replaced, so the real probleme is more selling it as if it was the same character.
There was also the fact that while i don't just attack someone for raceswapping (basic ethics here), im not surprised the artist gets attacked because there were hardcore fans who respected the originals. I also recommend to just make a new character instead.
Edit: when i say hardcore fans, i meant purists
@@nitsu2947 Stop defending the art police. Attacking someone for fan art is dumb.
@@reeree3032 im just stating that im not surprised because there will be purists in pretty much every fandom you see im not defending the attackers which i would call purists. While attacking someone is wrong, if you want to make that kind of art, be prepared for what people will say about your art.
Edit: in conclusion, no matter how much we educate peoples that attacking peoples for basically anything (not just art) is dumb, there will be those bad apples who is going to spoil the rest of the group. I hope you understand my stance on the issue
@@reeree3032 he wasn’t though. He was just saying he wasn’t surprised by it. Which I’m not either. I don’t have a problem with race swapping and I have no intention of trying to stop it, but seeing my favourite characters swapped irks something inside of me, I’m so used to seeing the original that the new version feels off. This goes both ways for me, black to white and white to black
Truth, I thought it was a self insert at first
I think blackwashing happens quite a lot now. I think it's a problem because it's a lazy solution to adding diversity. Instead of creating unique characters, you've superimposed a colored person in the position. I think this is fine with new projects where the character wasn't established. Like the Flintstones movie, there was a part that was written specifically Sharon Stone but she couldn't play so Halle Berry got it. She enjoyed it because it wasn't written for a person of color but for a beautiful woman. But then you get strange one like the Little Mermaid where they're having a black girl be a mermaid in Northern Atlantic, probably. We are not going to get into the science light and how water stops waves of light at certain depths or death by vitamin D deficiency. We know that the story was written by Christian Anderson who is from Denmark. I mean they might pull a The Princess and the Frog, which isn't blackwashing. They took the frame of the story and created around a black character where it would make sense. And Africa has a couple types of mermaids that they could chose from. But it's a live action Little Mermaid remake and we know Disney is running on nostalgia and not creativity. So yes, black washing is a symptom of crappy writing.
As for anime having little black representation. They're a mostly homogenous society and we can't expect them to have similar standards as America. Especially when even internationally a good chunk of their shows are exported to countries who share their homogenous populations with similar views on darker skin. But fan art should be fine.
I follow a person who does that, she says that black washing doesn't exist which is so weird. 90% of the characters she draws are black washed, no problem with it though, she says that it's HER version of the character, but she doesn't even change the plot or the story of those characters. That's my only complaint
If you think its blackwashing to hire a black person for little mermaid, 1.its fictional, her race doesn't play a role in the story 2. Theres black people in denmark 3. You don't have to write stories from only where you're living.
@@smithmarina970 for starters, you should read the whole thing 🗿
agree with you
@@smithmarina970 But it's insincere to say that black people are native to Denmark during the time period the little mermaid took place in. Also, if she's black and in the ocean which restricts certain wavelengths at certain depths. So if a mermaid has dark skin, she's going to get sick. Now, if they took the framework of the story and moved closer to the equator, maybe. Or pulled a Moana and just did a localized African mermaid. I remember reading folklore about a type that could turn into a human and often come to lagoons to bask in the sun. It's implied that they live in the shallows. That makes a mermaid having dark skin make sense to prevent skin cancer an all of that. Also, there are less than 2% black people (120,00 people out of 6 million), not exactly a huge population. As for three, yes you don't have to write stories about where you're from. But sticking a random black person into a story for diversity never works. They stick out in the story that hasn't fully realized what that change entails. Like Denmark being the seventh-largest trading nation during the Transatlantic Slave Trade. I get it's a fairy tale but this is just bad writing.
I feel like it’s better to just draw your own black characters, then to use anime characters and turn them black.
Edit: I’m just remembering a “friend” that I had that ALWAYS used to send me their “fanart” of anime characters but black. I think that also plays into how much I dislike it because I was kinda forcefed the content.
same
Agreed! It’s so easy to do that
Agreed but nothing wrong with the raceswapping
My thoughts exactly.
ong same. and just avoid all these kinda situations
I would prefer it if artist created new characters that take pieces of inspiration from the character they respect like(clothes, armour or weapons) instead of this change the characters race, Because most people are complaining because they feel like the artist is not respect the original character it doesn't matter what skin tone the character is bate black, white green or grey.
a lot of people say this but then they don't support budding artists and stick to popular stuff
Black artists do things like this to raise awareness for black representation in anime and to promote themselves as a black anime style artist (as one can see with blacktober). You can make countless black characters, but these characters will never officially be in an anime. Nobody else will see them except for a small amount of people on twitter or just yourself (which means almost zero representation). Fanart is also infinitely more popular than original works most of the time too.
@@bruh-zs8cx that is because most people are not good at marketing there characters
@@scaredstiff7176 it would be better if they don't just promoted there arts on Twitter if they are serious about it, as thar are a smaller amount of people on Twitter compared to RUclips and Twitch so if they're attention they should try get support from a content creators who making concerts around the same topic art is about.
Let's say I'm creating a dark fantasy story based on African folk tails I was trying to sell it to people interested in African history and or dark fantasy, I know it will take a lot of time and money to get emotional you need but if your work is already done it should be much more easier to get attention to it then getting attention to a incomplete Project.
Sorry this is long...I agree I like it better when a black artist can create their own because there is already a huge stereotype that black people cant create and must take a White version of something and make it black. My thumbnail is by a guy named David Dennis even though he started out drawing Samurai Champloo styled art he now has his own cute style of his own. Along with Freemechanism who draws beautiful oc Characters Mikeytoney and even black women named Likely hood art and Afroditeangelic has a webtoon. My favorite of all who actually has a comic Justloui who has Red Flower stories has his own original ocs that are unique. I've seen this artist that drew this so called version of Anya he is very talented but I feel he could take those designs and call them his own and get some copyrights and make a cool story because they are pretty distinct from the original source. That is my main thing why are we limited to doing designs that are black skinned versions of popular iconic pale skinned Japanese characters? All it's doing is causing more controversy but hey ive learned on IG some people want that because it gets their art more attention. Also people are not paying attention as Disney already has its art and stories coming out soon based on various Afriican folklore. If people want to continue to draw black edits go ahead but It's just like the Thumin controversy. All I know is I'm checking and supporting the oc black artists I listed above because that is the model I want to follow.
And to answer the question at the end: I live in Korea and I've spent time and have close friends in Japan and, frankly, these countries are incredibly homogeneous. For every 25 Korean people I know, I know one white person. For every 25 white people I know, I know 1 black person-- and the latter two groups are seen as 'guests' here. I've lived in Korea since 2017 and I'm still a guest here. I've got friends who have lived here for 10+ years, are fluent in Korean, are married to Korean people and even have half Korean kids, and THEY are still viewed as a 'guest' here. From what I've heard from friends living in Japan, it's much the same there. There's so few PoC because there's so few PoC IN these countries. The artists are representing their intended audience, which is a primarily homogeneous Asian population. While I understand that anime and manga is something consumed internationally, now, it shouldn't necessarily fall on Japanese (manga) and Korean (manhwa) artists to cater outside of their intended audience. While it's awesome when it happens, these are countries that just aren't and don't celebrate multiculturalism.
I personally feel the "burden" of representation falls far more squarely on American comic and animation studios. Like, X-Men takes place in New York. Why are only four or five of the fifteen or so mutants black? How many black Avengers are there, excluding Black Panther because his story has him FROM Africa rather than America?
I really agree with this I don’t think we should blame asian people because its not really their fault they are just ignorant sometimes because there are barely around any black people
Can we leave the skin color the same? Please…
I saw amity blight but she was black and I just…
lowkey this the final solution to everything i feel like
The only bad thing on this cases is when the author say "I fixed your character", or like in this video, when pretty much saying the authors of this stories are racist because they don't add black people.
I think "fixing"/changing character look is disrespectful for original author/creator.
I don't know how many of artists would be okay if somebody take their OC and be like "I fixed your character now it looks better"
I think it would be more creative and original if artists draw character
inspired by a&m character.
Plagiarism, redrawing, copy, editing... someone else work, no matter if this is from professional artists or from newbie. Is disrespectful.
Agree
its called vandalism
I have a few question:
1 Do you think asian are overly-represented in western media?
2 How would you react if a white person goes to africa and said "you black peoples are overly-represented in your culture's art form"?
3 Why doens't it bother you to say that asian are overly represented in manga/anime (y'know, an asian culture-based art form)?
asian people are some of the least represented in western media, they're down there with the hispanics
People cry that there are few black characters in anime, and if there are, they look comical, while the small number of asian characters in Western animated series mostly look like this: -_"-
💀💀💀
Americans are so entitled like 🙄
Japan is like 99% Japanese and people will call them "over-represented". Like no, they're just represented how it is
@@VixxKong2 yea most people with that argument come from diverse countries
Blackwashing definitely exists. People shouldn't race swap characters, no matter how much/little representation they have.
Just make your own characters.
This.
Exactly. Want representation? Make it happen.
They do make their own characters but still never understood " blackwashing " as a bad thing because it isn't harming anyone it's just fun fan art and doesn't take away from a underrepresented group of people * shrugs*
@@ThePunkina1 Is bad because is racist. Every time someone does blackwashing/whitewashing is always followed by a “fix it” or some crazy statement about race, is not harmless fun is just crazy people showing their bigotry.
@@zirenitamon we weren't even talking about" fixing art " but how is just making fan art racist when most black art isn't done with malice so how is that alone racist?
7:06 idk if op was talking about all characters in general, but considering they were talking about "black characters in anime" so like
um 90% of charcters in anime are...japanese?? 💀
loooll im deadddd
that was exactly my thought
My main critique over the piece is the removal of the iconic "horns" Anya wears all the time. We still don't know if she wears them as just an accessory or to conceal something related to her powers (which is the most likely possibility, in flashbacks she had cone-shaped hair there before so nobody really knows yet). Also coloured people can have green eyes rarely and them removing her iconic green eyes feels like removing an iconic part of the character, but those two points are literally it I guess lol Removing those features removes what makes Anya "Anya"
Nuh-uh, you most say "people of colour" and not the other way or else your arguments will be dismissed and you'll be called the bad R word
It looks like a totally different character
Can people PLEASE stop race swapping characters? Come on! Anime is based in Japan. Where Asians live. There aren't many POCs there, so you can't expect them to draw what they don't know or understand. If you want representation than draw it yourself with your own creative story. So it's okay if people swap light skin to darker skin, but when it's done the other way around it's racist? Hypocrites. It's disrespectful to the creator as well.
I never understood as an artist why they would go through the entire effort of taking a pre-existing Character and go through all of the efforts of redrawing them just to give them a different race To ultimately just get a bunch of crap for It at that point you should just come up with your own unique character and avoid all of this unnecessary drama
Yeah agreed. I swear someone is going to get doxxed over this one day. 😒
@@DeltaRaptoran I'm 60% sure someone already has been
Exactly
Bro this is factssss
But not everyone care about the unnecessary drama. Some people even do it on purpose.
Personally, I try not to let others dictate what I do without any valid reason as a general rule, so if I were those artists, I wouldn’t be stopping anytime soon.
Not really related to art but I've seen a black woman on Twitter cosplaying as Amber from Genshin Impact, a character who is actually white
I see no problem whatsoever seeing anyone regardless of race cosplaying as characters that I love.
i actually did make a video on cosplaying while black...it didn't end well either. you can check that out if you want
Amber is half white and asian btw, her granpa is from liyue if i remember correctly.
@@pluvia5431 she is not half Asian. One of her parent is half Asian. She is more of a 1/4 Asian than anything.
That's no problem.Cosplay and Fixing art are very different.
For cosplay, no matter who you are, what skin color and Which country you come from, you can cosplay as the character you like.
It's different from being disrespecting the original work like Fixing art.
@@narudayo5053 yup, this, I thought she was half and half at first but went back and reread her story, she has liyuean ancestry indeed
I haven't seen peole call gender-bending art sexism or mysoginy/misandry so I think it's interesting to see twitter people so bent out of shape over a fan edit
I’ve actually been told by other artists that gender-bent fan art (or at least calling it that) is considered transphobic. So honestly people just find issues in any form of drawing/fanart
@@mac5734 how in the hell is that considered transphobic.
@@5GEARS Maybe it is considered transphobic if it's done to a trans character which I can understand
My thoughts exactly
Yeah, though a lot of the gb art is a bit more of the not really respectful point, like, I've regrettably seen people do some shit that, just, I don't wanna even pull up the memory for that...
Even though I don't believe it applies to this particular situation, I agree that black washing does indeed exist and a lack of representation, although understandable, isn't valid enough of a reason to blackwash characters. The same goes for whitewashing IMO. There are different ways of going about it however, as I've stated, "context and proper consideration make all the difference" and sometimes it is done very well, like Jet in the live action Cowboy Beebop, while othertimes it's just cringey. I always personally thought changing the skin color of a prominent original character to be somewhat weird regardless of their starting race, but if it's just fan art and it's not being done along side an overt racist or woke agenda, then what harm could it do?
Changing Jet in CowBe was unecessary and did absolutely nothing for the character. That live action show was just bad
I'll allow fan art doing it, but I don't like those in charge of the IP doing the race swapping, like, if a prominent character gets replaced with someone not even recognizable (Commander and Miranda Keyes for example) its just disrespectful, mostly to the original fans, but it may also be disrespectful for the poc community.
This, all of this. I agree with this entirely. People forget anyone can be a racist, even the people that are being supressed
@@rofidel178 it was a bad live action adaption overall, but the actor played the role well enough. For the position he was put in, he did the best he could with decent execution, which made the race change more forgiving IMO. It's still weird though.
@@JamesTDG Katniss Everdeen is a great example of how white washing can even ruin an important story element. She was a poc originally and this was part of the reason Rue felt comfortable around her (so I'dlike to think), that and they were both from rather poor districts. Because of this change, in the movie we don't have much to go on regarding why she decided to work along side Katniss. If anything Katniss being injured and alone was a liability as a partner.
Art is freedom. Draw what you want and don't let others tell you otherwise.
this what i preached in my art tutorials way back
not really- you shouldn't whitewash characters, racist shit, nor draw pedo or zoophile stuff.
This. They're drawing and that's always a good thing to do.
@@lxxx-xxx I'm not an english speaker but I hope you understand that some ppl see you as a pedo just bcus your avatar looks like a 7 year old girl, you know what I mean? Nowadays, ppl can cancel you for thousands of ridiculous reasons
PC sometimes goes insane
unless you draw fatherless thing
like pedos zoophile racist shit
or turn a character black when canon they're white like this case
I'm more pissed about changing the hair color and eyes to be honest, cause more than the skin color the representation of Anya is pink haired with cute little horns or whatever those are. There was no reason for changing that, and it's not like white or Asian people had natural pink color either. Also there are lots of poc with green eyes, the artist could have kept those, but of course I'm not complaining at all, I think the fanart is so cute and well done but I don't feel I'm looking at Anya more like a little cute random girl
true its more of like just a pose that anya did at some point but i dont see anya
Those were Anya’s signature features, stripping them away makes her almost unidentifiable
Anya shes more alien like or is a some kind of humanoid alien speaking human language
Idk i didnt think the point was for it to still be anya but idk
When I approach fan art I always try to stay true to the source material, I don´t change up existing characters in minor insicnificant ways like the skin color. And if I feel under represented I draw myself in the style I choose to adapt.
The thing now is that they change an existing characters ethnicity and that´s not a simple fan art anymore it´s a statement.
And that statement is worth disscussing but also looses the "it´s just fan art, chill"-pass. As you said the artist felt underrepresented in their favorite anime (and that´s a valid feeling) but there are diffrent ways to show that. The backlash should be expectet at this point. Changing an already existing characters ethnisity can drift into "art-fixing" really quick.
Yea I agree
fanarts are how artist sees a character in their mind, seeing them in different race could practically be called delusional
@@alvinreinaldy5148 lmaoo, why is that funny lol
Blackwashing ain't the way to go for representation. People should just make their own original characters that are black, not change the race of existing characters.
Most of the time at least when i see people do it they aren’t serious abt it and they just do it for fun
Blackwashing isn’t real get over it lmao
The main problem people tend to see in these stuff is the double standart what i heard in comments a lot. That whitewashing is called out and even if you make the skin color just slightly brighter then youre racist. But when a white character is portraied with darker skin its cute and creative.
I would say seeing whitewashing as bad then you have to see "blackwashing" bad as well.
On the other hand if you think art is freedom and one can portrait the characters as they like ... everyone should do that no matter what they paint.
People should just be consequent with their standarts and opinions.
Yeah, the hate really got worse when a bunch of people started attacking other artists for using correct lighting lol it was so absurd because people still harassed other artists (particularly asian artists tbh) despite them proving that they literally color dropped from the og content. Now people are super defensive over anime.
What is in this video is not”blackwashing” the character was not just colored in with a darker skintone
@@kaiaskosmos That's kinda of what blackwashing is
Literally the only reason blackwashing pisses me off is because I have seen the hate small artists get when they draw a character with a darker skin tone (not even black, literally just tanned) a tad lighter…and most of the time it is because of lighting that the skin looks lighter
In no particular order:
- Japan has huge issue with xenophobia. They still commonly use words like hafu (half) for someone of mixed blood and gaijin (fireigner) for anyone not Japanese. It's VERY COMPLICATED - for example, the aversion to dying hair? Which is reason behind all shonen rebels/underdogs having bright hair? Post WWII lot of hafu born from foreign soldiers were recognized most easily by their brighter hair, something incommon in Japan naturally. Check out Sakamini no Apollon comic if you want to see topic of such child facing prejudice connected to it. So, to a degree, Japanese artists can have problems with drawing other races.
- Asians aren't white and while mabga is dominantly Japanese product where asians are the norm... in the west, asians are decidedly deiscriminated against, if in different ways than black people. So for some western people the race-bend is not changing dominant group into minority, but swapping one minority for another. It's arguable, but I have to say I do have some issue with the way some poeple thinkg Japanese characters are 'white'.
- Connectedt to precious one, drawing over anime stills is an old baby-step of learning to draw (I did it myself). However... this might be exactly why people have issue with panel over-drawing: because it does kinda look like blackface in the sense that a 'new coat of paint' is drawn over existing character, instead of actually re-designing them. It's the same reason some people have issues with gender-bent characters - they think it's just cosmetic fix that trivialized the issue of being trans. I won't say there is one good opinion here - I think there is some validity to just changing colors and switching hair of a characters, but I also don't think it's anything beyon amatour aspect?
- It's a little bit disingeneous to bring up characters like Mr. Popo or Chocolove without mentioning they come from works drawn decades ago without showing comparetive works like One Piece or Naruto or Bleach, which offer much less sterotypical designs. More modern depictions look more realistic - for many varied reasons - but it leads me to important issue which is MEDIUM. Manga is drawn in black and white, which means a black character would create a lot of issues from bleeding paper, cost of print to simply looking bad. It's also not even just issue with black characters - tan and not-completely white characters are drawn pretty white too, to simply save ink and lower risk of bad print. This is also leading reason towards what you might see as sterotypical - curly hair, wide nose and thick lips are most universal 'black features' and at the same time ones easiest to draw.
- Connected to above - in context of manga there is also HUGE cultural legacy (and whatever fancy names managakas use, they still write mostly Japanese characters), which held pale skin as the proof of beauty to the point of painting Geisha white and making them carry sun unmrellas and selling whitening crams. It's centuries of that, which won't be shaken off just like that, especially in country like Japan which is very slow to change in many aspects.
- This is an extreme minority, but I had the misfortune of seeing people claim to have 'fixed' the icky whites by making black re-designs. It can sour somone to the very idea, even though it's unfair.
SAW THE THUMBNAIL IM READY FOR WAR
lmaoooo okayyyyyyy aragorn chill!!!
Make love not war. Show the artist some support. That's a better way and helps the artist probably more. But I like your spirit. Keep it up. :)
@@Louis_Ostrinsky oh ofc!! the artist always comes first
I think this kind of art is perfectly fine as long as the artist doesn’t have a problem with the opposite happening.
Solution:
No washing
No one gets baths
We all stinky now
i don’t think changing someone’s race is a good way of showing representation, because it takes away representation from another race as well. I would just prefer someone making their own character to show representation instead.
its not changing, its adding 💀 blasian ppl are still asian. just cus some of them have darker skin and thicker hair dont mean shit. and anyways youre a genshin fan,, im not rlly surprised that a person who supports a colorist + racist game would think like this
Whether a person changes, adds, or removes parts of the piece, their art to make is their art to make. As long as they do not consider it fixing the original creators work.
Representation of course depends with how much each identity is important to the character as well as how they are portrayed and what aspects stick out with them in the story they are apart of.
All I can say is, it's Twitter, I'm used to this by now
bruh! but yet it still keeps us on our toes everytime cuz these people don't know how to act
Thank you for making ur own subtitles it’s so so appreciated and helpful. Thank you for making ur videos inclusive to deaf/ hard of hearing community and also people like me with learning difficulties. It helps so so much
I love how you yell in lowercase. I find it really nice!
lmaooooooo!!!
Nah not people calling Asian characters white
Okay, I just want to put this out. I'm an Asian myself and I often see people get worked up over drawings or characters of shows or anime being a tone lighter from the standard black skin. I get that in their minds, representation of minorities are important in other cultures and we all should be aware of it but in Japan, the character can be either just a naturally tan character or are actually black but for the tan part, they will always think that the character is not dark enough and try to blackwash a character for the sake of representing black people. In that sense, they just never realise that they're racist for forcing a race on another minority just because they think it's right (forcing Asians to be black). I've seen Blasians before and that's a good example of mixed race and people are okay with that but some seeing other Asians with naturally tan skin, they just don't like that. I'm naturally tan and I've been berated by people on Twitter for my self portrait and they even go as far as to fixing my art and turning me black, they said the skin was 'too light'. No one should force another culture on another just because of a previous issue that changed the perspective of people on minorities but changing Asians to black does not mean you support minority groups, you're blatantly racist. This Anya art tho is not blackwashing, it fanart because they made a rendition of the character but I do think it's appropriate for them to make their own fanart instead of editing the original frame of the anime.
Agree and I have the same feelings.
I'm Asian too, it's annoying when they think darker skinned or tan skinned people are black people.
Or When asians who have bright skin being called white people.
It's like they forget that there's more than justwhites people and blacks people
(I am half Thai half Chinese(My mother is half Thai, half Chinese.)with bright skin, and I already know that If they see me and my mom on the Internet,we will be called a white And my father who had a tan skin would have been Calling black too.)
And I hope things get better for you
@@ilikemetoo3088 Yeah, they think the world revolves around them
Exactly why are people attacking fan art as “blackwashing”
@@ilikemetoo3088 what do you count as black? Im just curious
I wouldn't even call it fan art if you're tracing a sense from the show, also Twitter drama is cringe and no one cares.
lowkey...i think you righty
i mean, as a southeast asian myself, i dont really like whenever someone changes the race of a character in general, blk to white, white to blk, asian to white etc is just a no, just leave the characters the way they are,. in my opnion i kinda find it offensive whenever someone calls a light skinned cannon south-southeast asian white and a dark skinned cannon southeast-east asian blk, dont get me wrong but my reasons are because theyre basically painting a "this kind of asian can only be lightskinned" and "this kind of asian can only be darkskined" stereotype on us, also erasing the representations of us asians that have 'a diff kind of skintone than our kind', us asians ranging from south to east asians all have a very diversal tone of skintones,. speaking from a southeast(malaysian cn) asian who has natural tanned skin colour
My only take is DRAW IT YOURSELF ! Dont trace and edit over a frame, the exact same thing some other shady artist do, taking other artist work and changed some stuff abt IT, but thats not art nor there work
Ive seen artist DRAW characters from anime as POC and some even emulated the artstyle , and i love and see no problem w that BC they drew IT themselves digital/tradional dont matter, they drew IT , they didnt traced over a frame and edited
I stand by what i said and most those edits are uncreative and lack any substance , some are cutesy but the person should have drawn IT themselves
We can’t do anything anymore without people ruining everything
nah we can't draw and have fun anymore.
I never really got the point of black edits, as a growing artist I'd rather make up my own black characters but I don't see how people get genuinely upset at them. If it's something they don't wanna see they can just keep scrolling 😂
sadly there are so many nowdays, scrolling will just lead to more of those
I will always say this. Just draw whatever character in whatever skintone you want. Honestly who gives a sh*t, it's fan art. Nothing changes just because someone drew Naruto as a black guy or Nessa as a white girl. Draw whatever you want how you want. It honestly baffles me that this is such an "issue" in the first place.
I mean, drawing a black character white is a bit more problematic since it's removing representation of the few poc in anime, at least 80% of character in anime are light skinned and whitewashing purposefully the characters that doesn't fit in this norm is an outright attack against poc's
@@revedraws4186 Nah, I can draw black to white and white to black. Free for all , draw what you want.
@@chok1169 I just explained why it wasn't the best thing to- y'know what it's okay it's just my opinion do what you want
@@revedraws4186 I don´t understand why some people say making white characthers black is ok, but the reverse is not. Just have some funn mathafacka. I aint taking no damn representation doing a fan art of a black characther as white and that´s the same thing in reverse, because at the end of the day the truth lies in the original material and noone can change that except the author.
@Reve Draws I understand what you mean, however as a person of color, if you had to say that making a black character white is bad then you'll have to say the same thing for people turning white characters to black. But i understand your comment, it's just that it wouldn't be 'fair' you know what i mean?
I do think the double standard of "lightening dark skinned characters" is something artists, creators, consumers are reluctant to address and resolve, which is a touchy subject. I guess every artist has to face their own values and how it can affect others into consideration, which can be exhausting when all you wanna do is draw. As long as there's no malintent behind the artwork, it is acceptable.
As a black person I can clearly see that black washing does exist, and it's just awful, but fan arts are for fans and to be done wherever the artist wants them to be
"Made her black cause the show is racist" That's what most of these situations is essentially
@@shaunamerica5091 people forget black people are a minority in most places this material is made, so the creators will reflect the reality they see..... If someone from new York would make animation series, the background characters would be very different from someone from some north European countries..... I think it is very toxic and selfish from American spoiled children to complaint about other artist, from other places of the world, don't draw the reality they are used to......
3:21 bottom left is actually really good
agreed
Fr kinda looks like something from cowboy bebop
Personally I think there is no point in changing a characters skin color. That character will not suddenly represent POC cultures or their experiences in life when you race swap them in fanart. Raceswapped pricess Peach will still be Peach and be associated with the same things, not black culture. Genuine representation is really really needed but swapping an existing characters race (either way) doesn’t do anything (obviously whitewashing is usually done with a racist intent and trying to erase existing POC characters is horrible so let’s stop doing that). Yes I think Blackwashing exists, but I don’t think it does anything for the POC community or helps make representation happen, or that it is especially hurtful to white people.
here's a paragraph from an article by a student at the Vermont university:
"Asian Americans may not be considered “people of color” (POC) in higher education because of stereotypes of Asian Americans such as the model minority myth. White supremacy creates a racial hierarchy that creates a misperception that Asian Americans are not marginalized compared to other POC in order to cause strife among all racial minority groups. In higher education, this racial hierarchy manifests through exclusionary practices in diversity programming, recruitment, and admissions that can lead to the disconnection of Asian Americans from the rest of the POC community. Issues regarding affirmative action and the recent Harvard lawsuit are salient examples that are indicative of Asian Americans’ separation from “typical” POC groups in society and higher education."
TLDR: asian people are POC too, but their struggles are often not brought up. I don't see why the people in the comments are talking about whitewashing and white people, when anime is japanese, made in Japan, therefore clearly asian. There's a long history of asian underrepresentation in western media but absolutely nobody seems to bring it up.
So now it's ok to steal others art, change the color little bit, put some edit, and claimed as our creation (fan art)? I still remember many people really hate it back then, even the author of some manga get sued by only plagiarise some poses, it surprised me how some culture really can change in a blink of eyes.
My problem with race swapping characters in shows is because rarely it's ever done for a narrative reason. Most times, people just draw preexisting characters in a different race because they want to see that character as a different race. Now on one hand, race rarely is even important to a character. For example, if you make someone like Superman black, his character won't (or shouldn't) change. He still has the same abilities, the same backstory, and the same personality, so what's the fuss? Where's the fire? Why is it problematic? Because then it's done for vanity. It's done for representation. It's done because "I want to see a black guy up there instead of a white guy". Now I got nothing wrong with black characters in media, and heck, I really wouldn't have a problem with race swapping characters, but when you race swap a character just because you prefer it some way seems kinda disingenuous if you ask me. To me, it sounds like the people who want to do that say, "I like this character and all, but what if he's (insert whatever race you want here)". It disregards the character in favor of characteristics. Another problem is when they change a character's character because of their race. I was watching a video a few days ago covering Amber from Invincible, and one person commented "The reason why she's seen as good despite all the bad things she does to Mark is because she's a black chick. This is because blacks and women in modern media aren't able to do anything wrong, so when they race swapped Amber, of course they were going to change her and make her infallible in every way." I did paraphrase the comment, but it went along those lines. Third, sometimes you can't just change someone's race because they're too iconic. I can't remember which video I saw it in, but Just Some Guy mentioned in one of his videos (in regards to Spiderman Miles Morales) "We don't call him Spiderman, we call him Spiderman: Miles Morales because he's not the original Spiderman." Again, I did paraphrase. Now obviously, not every character is as iconic as Spiderman, but for those who aren't like Spiderman and are lesser known, again I say, it seems rather disingenuous to say "I like this character, but I prefer him to be (insert race here)" (and just for the record, I hate it when people whitewash characters too). Lastly, if a character is well written, why do you want to change a character's race? Furthermore, why does it even matter? I think Just Some Guy also made this point, but think about Spiderman again and how relatable he is. You don't need to be white or a guy to relate to him, his character and the challenges he needs to overcome are are ones we can relate to, and as such, focusing on his race or gender is pointless because it sends the message "I can't relate to this character because he isn't 100% like me". Just to close things off, I know someone will bring up how most characters in media are white, and yeah, you're right. However, most writers write characters that have the same characteristics of them. Last I checked, most anime is in Japan with Japanese culture and Japanese characters, yet nt many people make a fuss about that because most anime writers are Japanese. Also, if someone is forced to write someone they didn't have intentions to write, then that character will be poorly written because the writer doesn't have the same passion for that character as he would with other characters. This is (at least my guess) as to why so many modern black and female characters in media are poorly written. They're added for representation as opposed to enhance the story.
I hope all that made sense, I am poor with words.
this is very well articulated and written, and a lot of other comments seem to agree with you
While I generally don’t about the races of characters much, you so make interesting and valid points.
Especially regarding Amber; as a black dude, she pisses me off to no end.
Couple things I will say, (even though this comment was more about official works than fanart) in fanart I’d say it’s less because they “prefer” the character that way and more like a “what if” thing. Like your example with miles, alternative versions of the characters exist. (Unofficially if it’s fanart, but still)
Also, if race doesn’t matter regarding well written characters, there shouldn’t be too much issue in changing it, either. Least I don’t think so.
Maybe I’m just weird. The way I’ve always seen it, representation isn’t required, but it is appreciated.
Also in regards to relatability, maybe it’s me projecting, but it’s not that skin color decides whether or not I relate to the character, but is more like a bonus to characters I already relate to. Like again, with Miles. I know his race doesn’t matter a lot in terms of relatability, but it’s just nice to see. Like Mohammad said in the video, I kinda fuck with it.
Very well written comment. But honestly just wanted to say, I hate Amber so much omg. Do people actually like her? How?
From what I’ve heard, her character is actually worse than she is in the comics, why would they make her black, and then make her such an annoying and bad character?
@@LysolMyFace they did that on purpose I swear
I hate race bending. I hate the argument that you'll relate to a character if you're the same race. I don't care what the intentions are because it always comes from a place of ignorance and little self-awareness. If the character has an established race then don't mess with it. If turning a light-skinned person into a dark-skinned person is seen as woke and progressive but then turning a dark-skinned person into a light-skinned person is seen as racist then that's a double standard. It's simple, just don't race bend characters. If you can't love and relate to a character just because they aren't your race then maybe YOU are the problem. I know darker skinned people are represented less but you have to take into consideration that the majority of the population on Earth is light skinned, when I say light skinned I don't just mean white people. By editing pre-existing characters to be black, YOU yourself are lowering the need for representation. Companies aren't gonna make black characters themselves because the "fans will just race bend the characters and do our job for us". Even companies that aren't racist are SCARED to make any POC characters because people get pissy at the tiniest things. "Oh look this black character happens to be a criminal mastermind therefore the people who made this are clearly racist and there is absolutely no way a black person could ever be a bad person because that would be racist!" People need to understand that morally questionable characters can be good representation. Stop having double standards, educate yourself and be thicker skinned we don't have to make everything about race. Just enjoy a character for what they are regardless of what race they are.
I think that blackwashing exists but it’s not even remotely as bad as whitewashing, I don’t think it’s a problem. It’s like saying that people who headcanon characters as trans are cisphobic or something 💀
I dunno, blackwashing happens in big franchises very frequently now. Pointless race change is bad. It doesn't matter what race it is.
@@HellGrimo I agree. Just because the majority of animated characters are white doesn’t make blackwashing better.
@@HellGrimo it’s a fictional character. It doesn’t change the back stories or anything. It’s providing more representation for a race that had everything stolen from them and giving them something to be inspired from.
That's such a double standard, both should be incorrect. If you want equality then put them objectively.
aaaand blackwashing is different from whitewashing how? Fanart is fanart and should be free to be anything, but dont call it anything its not. Also calling japanese peoples stylization of black people as RACIST is just as stupid as calling this edit RACIST
Why don't we all fucking cancel Twitter already so this shit stops happening. Fuck, Twitter is the worst social media, even worse than Reddit and Facebook
lol imagine you get on 4chan and lolcow...lmao
@@MohammedAgbadi oh shit oh no
I really have two moods about this issue:
- What's the interest of doing that if it's not canon ?
- You do you chief, good fan art 🧍🏾
Second mood is a vibe
@@MohammedAgbadi My personal favorite 😌😌
Bro nah some y’all hypocrites. Any character just draw with a lighter color palette, not even the race being changed, gets bashed and canceled off the internet. But all of sudden when it’s a character being turned black is all good and okay and if you’re against it you’re racist. You don’t normally see black people in anime because anime is animation made in Asia. They don’t see many black people nor are their many black people over there. So if they don’t put black people in the anime, everyone is mad. Then when they finally do, everyone is mad. Changing a different characters race to black isn’t representation. Create your own character with a backstory that connects to them and fits them better. Not just change an already existing character. It’s disrespectful when white washing and the same goes for black washing. Pick a struggle at this point…
And wait a damn minute… in a previous video, you spoke the exact OPPOSITE of what you’re saying now.
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And then on top of that, when the vise verse of what happened here in this video, (non poc character being turned poc) to (Poc character being turned white) you were all against it as you should be, but now you’re not because the character edit is poc?
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This is way beyond hypocrisy at this point.
I think race-bending is totally fine, under the condition that it's just for fun, and not as 'art-fixing.' I like to think of it as what-if's. And the art in this is super cute.
It's cool as long as it isnt done for "fixing" the character/art or to piss people off. Otherwise yeah, no problem with it
Why don't people look at this the same way you would look at cosplay just with art
Because People like to complicate simple things
I feel like the argument where the person mentioned empathy had a point. Here’s a recent example, when turning Red came out, many critics (white people) said they did not like the movie because they couldn’t empathize with the character (Asian). The critics were met with backlash from Asian the public making the same argument as what’s shown in the video, pointing out lack of empathy from the critic for a character not of the same race.
The “most anime are white” isn’t accurate either. Most anime characters are Asians unless stated otherwise by the country they represent. As an Asian, I feel like this is the kind of argument that other POC make to justify racism to Asians because we’re often seen as “honorary white” despite being a minority that also face racism and colorism and struggle like other POC (like being blamed for Covid despite not being Chinese).
When you raceswap a character, you’re not adding representation. A character is designed with intent and cultural nuance of where they’re from. If you change an Asian character to black, the character is still telling an “Asian ” story because the narrative was designed with that character’s culture in mind, it added no value to the new race you changed them to. If anything, it did the opposite, you made them look out of place. It’s like taking black panther and making him white. It doesn’t make sense BOTH WAYS.
As a latino, I 100% agree.
personally i don’t like changing the race or skin tones of an existing character. they’re kinda like the ocs of the creators. i wouldn’t like anyone changing my ocs. i’d rather just make my own mexican anime characters. i understand people who do it tho.
I don't support whitewashing but I will also not support making white or other lighter skinned characters black.
It is very wrong to race swap ANY character in ANY way. Creating representation should be by either doing work INSPIRED by an already existing character OR creating ORIGINAL WORK.
It will never be okay to whitewash characters nor to turn characters into a darker shade.
*PERIOD.*
I am not racist and I understand why people of color want representation but taking light skinned characters and turning them black feels just as wrong to us as how it feels for poc when their characters are whitewashed.
*So create original or inspired representation.*
Don't be like the bitches who whitewash and don't make up excuses.
Okay hang on- Anime characters are 90% ASIAN- not white… I honestly just don’t particularly like the idea of swapping a character’s race no matter if it’s for “representation” or what, create your own character to go alongside your favourites! That’s a great way of doing it! But if the creator of a character designed them to look a certain way, I don’t think it’s fair when people take that and say- no you are now a girl, or you are now Latino, like… I dunno man can’t people just create new characters to be their best buds or something? Why change an already existing character 😵💫
example : when they said they were going to make Nick Fury black I wasn't sure how to feel but when I found out it was going to be Samuel L. Jackson I was more happy than I could describe (he is so perfect for this role) who the actor is is more important than their skin color
it is a blackwashing case. but let's be fair, since everyone like Samuel L Jackson, the change is kind of good
The only thing that bothers me about this kind of fanart is when people take POC Asian characters who are obviously supposed to be west/south Asian people and make claim that they're black just because they're 'too brown' to just be brown people and therefore they must be black for some reason
Colorism in the anime community is such a deep routed thing there's no way to actually win with anyone because people will be mad no matter what
I've seen so many people look at brown characters and assume they're black that I've genuinely given up on being allowed to have brown characters in media without some dipstick labeling them black just because the character isn't white enough for people to argue whether or not they're white
Generally I don't give a crap about what anyone does with race swapping as long as it isn't an integral part of a character's backstory to the point where you have to change their entire characterization to make up for the decrepancy
Anya is white you know
@@saraha.1336 they arent talking about anya you know
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Backwashing is when you drink water and your saliva and debris flows back into the water.
Yeah, very disgusting, but the more y'know ig.
lmaooooooo lmaoooooooo bro!!
that's why I don't share water bottles with others, who knows what's really in their drinks
@@iniyama exactly, or shake the bottle to see if the person backwashed
😭😭🤣🤣
See that is borderline not fan art, while I appreciate the details in the hair matching the cell it was drawn over and keeping looking like its right from the show it still isn't drawn from scratch and could used as an enabler for the lazy shits who just whip out the photoshop, swap two colors and then say "I fixed it!". Edits are never okay in my opinion because for every god tier one like the one in the video it'll spawn 20 piss poor attempts that cry victim when they're told they did a shitty job. Drawn from scratch is always more acceptable than edits but the nuance of why the art was made in the first place should always be taken into account. Reasons for it to be great: "I love the character, I wanted to try drawing them to represent me." Reasons for it to be deleted: "This show is clearly racist for not including [Insert Representation Demand Here] so I fixed it. Hire me [Studio Name]!" If you love the character then draw the character how you want them to look, how you feel will make you closer to them but for gawd-sakes DRAW it and don't edit over someone else's work, whether its professional or another's fan art that it just not okay.
Ppl were also making racist remarks about the fanart too, and it's so disgusting.
tbh the quote retweets were disgusting
What a great day to be on twitter
Now hear me out, what if it was the other way around…
Also you are very hypothetical about this whole situation.
As a poc you of course understandably don't like if poc representation is wrong.
But if you know how bad it feels why do you support people turning light skinned characters black?.
Two faced if you ask me.
You are a good person generally from what I've seen in your channel and you usually make good points but this video was just pure hypocrisy and as someone who is light skinned and suppports the poc community it makes me sad how many people complain abt white washing but do the same thing with darkening light skinned characters.
Same with people who complain abt whitewashing (reasonably so again) BUT supporting people who turn light characters black.
I couldn’t care less if white characters are drawn as POC. But you cannot be changing Japanese characters into another race, it’s fucked up.
to be honest, every time this happens, my brain transforms into a dead fish
like i try to understand what is happening and what words mean but it gets thrown out the window sooner or later 💀
The main issue is still the fact that race has been moved into the most important position for all things. To me, if you draw something where you race or gender swap an original character, there is no real issue there, it's fan art. It's like if you draw stuff in a serious detailed comic book way or as a chibi character. No one looks at either of these things and demand that people apologize for changing something. Race should be like this. Sure, there are purists who are going to only want to see art in the original form, but not all art is for everyone. The reality is that if you have an issue with white washing, you should in principle have an issue with black washing. But race has been placed as the main thing we are all supposed to care about, and that hurts art, just like it hurts everything else. I am a purist to an extent, but only when it comes to how things are represented in the mass media. For example, I am old enough to have seen the Spawn movie in theaters, and I will tell you, when they turned Terry into a white guy, I was none-to-pleased, I wanted it to represent the comic as much as possible. I also didn't care for them essentially making Heimdall black in the Thor movie. I just wanted it to be faithfully represented in other media forms so it matches the original. But if you did either of things as fan art, I wouldn't care, I would probably enjoy it, I like seeing different takes from fans on different thing.
what i dont like personally about raceswapping anime characters for representation is that often the characters being swapped are already poc. they're east asian, often japanese. so you're just erasing one poc for another, not adding much to the picture. i think people pay too much attention in race swapping famous characters from big studios "for representation" and too little attention on the many smaller projects that are actually already diverse and inclusive. you wouldnt need to ask for more representation in big media if you gave more attention to smaller projects until they get big. but of course, its more convenient to just grab a major anime that's already being advertised to the four corners of the world instead of going through the trouble of looking for and propping up the small projects right?
oml thank you, asian people are often passed as not traditional POC or not dark enough, even though the struggles are still there or even worse
@@limpcheesestick they have it the best compared to other poc expect arabs
idk why some people think that representation doesnt matter- I mean the moment i saw Raine whispers from the owl house, a nonbinary person with darker skin i kinda felt very happy like i can exist lol
For me blackwashing exist but I feel as if you shouldn't take a character that someone made and change the race of them. It's like someone taking the race of your character and making it a different race. Cause I know I wouldn't like it. That's my opinion.
Sometimes I wanna draw versions of my faves that look more like me. I know it’s not canon. I never said it was. I’m not mad at anyone for it NOT being canon. I just wanted to draw a thing for ME. But I don’t post my art anywhere so few people even know, lol.
Btw I am drawing it for FUN not to like “improve representation in the greater animation community” or anything. I’m not TRYING to make a massive point. I just. Idk. Drawing them different. Like when people draw them as non-humans. Or whatever. Idk. It’s fun.
“But create your own characters in your own series!” I did create my own OCs, but they’re fandom OCs, so it’s probably “not good enough” to some people because I’m not changing the industry, I’m just. Doodling characters for a story I didn’t write and have no place in or power over.
But again. This! Is! For! Fun! (For me, at least.) can’t wait to cosplay characters that aren’t my race and get hard for it though. 🙃 that’ll be greaaaaaat.
Just draw whatever character however you may want.
Race swap, Gender swap, whatever, no one should care
Yes Blackwashing exists!
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3:20 I alway found peoples to call out "racist" a black character just because they happen exagerated features, in a media where exagerated features is a standart (eyes, mouths, breasts to name a few) to be disingenuous, especialy when these characters are lovable/well writen, I mean, racist peoples tend to not depict black peoples in a positiv manner.
Another point I rarely see peoples talk about when talking about "why do we have so little black character representation" is where the animation come from in the first place: Manga
Until a few years ago, where digital art started to popularize amongst mangaka, they had to use tram to color their panel, and with manga chapter release being so tight, it would make sens for them to avoid unneccessary amount of work if it wouldn't serve the story.
When there actually Asian, not Caucasian 👽
U can just not liking the fanart but hating and harrassing is not ok
you should have seen the quote retweets.
It matters where you live. Anime is from Japan where 99% of the population is japanese. 99% of anime characters are japanese. Go figure. America is predominantly white. So American media is going to have predominantly white characters. Authors usually mirror what they see day to day so the amount of "representation" is mirrored. And I agree that if you are going to flame someone for doing the same thing you are about to do. Don't do it. Making a pre-existing asian character black isn't going to change the fact that that character is Asian. So there is absolutely no point in changing it. I simply don't understand the motive. And if the motive is to make more representation then make your own damn anime like damn people want to pull the race victim card so much nowadays when racism is limited to a couple of hillbillies in the south of the US
You know what here is the simple answer for everything. Changing the race of any original character is wrong. If you wish to create representation, create an OC or a separate series. Simple.
Im considered as a person of color (brown) and i think sticking to the original design is just more respectful to the original artist, ofc there’s a lack of representation lol arabs barely make it into anime and it’s okay, we support seeing more representation but if someone took my character and changed them i dont think I’d be so happy about it
As a chinese person, there is nothing more harmless than black edits in my opinion. It's like redesigns of characters, it doesn't change their canon appearance, and most of all, it doesn't erase any nonexistent asian feature. In most, if not all, games and anime out there with canon asian characters, they ALL have big eyes with bright colors, light blue fluffy hair, paper white skin, yes that's totally what I look like irl!!!
I want to add my two cents here and say that redrawing over screenshots of cartoons or anime happens ALL THE TIME in the art community
A Good example would be My little pony.
I see artists using mlp bases or drawing on mlp screenshots to draw their favorite characters with their headcanon designs and I do it too.
There's a certain novelty behind making fake screencaps to indulge in your fantasy of what if the characters looked like the way you like them best in a positive way.
It's harmless and 100% for fun.
1. Idk the real purpose of the edit but from what I'm seeing, there's no ill intent so eh (*cough cough* the "i FiX iT" weirdos *cough cough*)
2. I would be 100% fine IF the edit was an edit of an OC and not race swapping which I'm not a fan of (flashbacks to Zeefixesart and racists who would edit Asian artists work without permission)
HONESTLY JUST PLEASE DRAW UR OWN OC'S OR ALREADY EXISTING BLACK CHARACTERS. I'd prefer to see more fan arts of Avdol, Smokey, or just any character PLEASE. Better than a blackwashed character/edit.
I don’t get what people mean when people say Blackwashing doesn’t exist. It doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong, the point is that you’re colourwashing a character. If whether something exists or not is based on whether it’s morally right or wrong, than a lot of things wouldn’t exist. The point is that, if you change the race of an existing character to one with a darker skin tone, that’s Blackwashing. Am I wrong? I don’t really follow art news too often. But going off of the words, if someone lightens the skin tone, they’re washing over the character with that new tone, therefore it’s whitewashing. If the opposite happens and someone washes over the character with a darker skin tone, it’s Blackwashing. Not based on if it’s for inclusivity or not, or if it’s for good reasons or not. Is that just me?
They just dont care, look at how many times gingers get black washed.
I dunno I'm just really pissed with the fact that this kind of thing gets off scot free but when let's say someone accidentally draw a poc a bit lighter in their skintone that artist will get cancelled like I just hate the double standard I think both Black and White washing ain't ok
The art looks adorable, but I wouldn't call it fanart because you wouldn't really say "she is Anya as a black person" because of her eye and hair color. People don't have naturally pink hair, so while keeping the hairstyle, the artist could make it pink as well. (they probably would have to change the colors of hair accessories obviously, but do they look adorable!) same goes with green eyes, I think green eyes would stand out more with black skin, and it would look really gorgeous in their style! I like how the artist added so many sparkles to the eyes as well. I also agree with tracing part.
The art looks amazing overall, even though I do think some things could be changed so people could go "huh, she looks like Anya. Wait, is this a fanart?" instead of "she looks like an OC inserted in Spy×Family scene"at first glance. it doesn't deserve the hate, and I do believe that some people who call" blackwashing" is racist should learn more about why it's okay. (Fixing art is not okay unless someone asks you to, like that one knuckles humanoid artwork, but blackwashing is okay)
I don't care about blackwashing or whitewashing, people can make whatever art hey like, but if you are fine with one and vehemently against the other then you're a hypocrite.
I honestly don't get why the race of a character is so important, the story should come first.
As a black person, when watching anime, wondering why there aren't many black characters never crosses my mind.
If you want to draw fan art of a character in your own style that's fine but people saying black washing isn't real is like saying whitewashing isn't real.
And if the race of a character is so important stop complaining about characters that aren't black and make new ones
Also side note they are Asians not white
The sad truth is that in Asian countries like Japan, China, Korea, Etc where the population is predominately light skin Asian people, there is a lot of stigma and prejudice. Most of those countries view darker skin as disgusting and racism is rampant. It's horrible, but there's no way there will ever be poc representation in those areas if people are constantly put down for anything and everything they draw. People will always say that art isn't inclusive enough, but in doing that they exclude other POC and hurt minorities. It sucks and twitter sucks, but I just thought I'd answer your question on why animes have such racist interpretations of black people.