Fixing Art...Here We Go Again
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2022
- Mohammed Agbadi talking about fixing art, only this time a professional artist get's his art fixed by another professional artist. but he dragged them on twitter.
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So, they are giving Asians representation, by making them look more like a white person?
this is the comment i was looking for
Right? It's the opposite of social justice.
@@dalailarose1596 its almost like big coorparations doesnt care about social issues, and are only concernded with how much money they can make by making their characters for "general audiences".
Not even a white person but a creepy looking one like it it was from a horror comic.
All of this fr
The original drawing looks cute while the "fixed" one is just creepy
The fixed one just looks like she’s trying to spook us...and it’s working
The "fixed" one looks like she has very narrow and small irises, which often creepy supernatural characters (e.g. reptilians, demons etc.) are depicted having
Like she's planning a murder
The "fixed" one looks like a mr incredible becoming uncanny phase
Yeah , it looks like they're on drugs
The "fixer" missed the fact that the artwork is STYLIZED to an extent, so their edits don't look realistic, they just look uncanny. Clearly the mark of a job well done 💀
It looks like it comes out straight out of a horror comic😂😂 (the edited one)
@@dellera1793 yo you read junji ito?
@@dellera1793 because God damn I got some ideas I would love to share with you if your willing to book a time with me
@@omori1708 sadly, I don't read it. I tried to read them but not really a fan of horror comics.
I would prob got nightmares if i read them😂😂
@@omori1708 lmao i was just about to say she looks like she came out of a junji manga
Sometimes the people seeing racist things in art where there is none... Are the ones being racist.
wowwww!!! i totally love that
@@MohammedAgbadi I don't usually like that kind of logic but it totally applies here... Marvel's PCness is just one big marketing ploy, and that was fine, but now altering an artist's work is awful.
That's what these racist SJW do, they go out to the world seeking out "potential racism" just to blow it out of proportion
Omg plot twist!
This is true.
As a Chinese southeast asian I’d like to clarify to Twitter that contrary to popular belief, we do not have glowing scleras like anime characters
Please let our eyes be in shadows
Making us look like lizard people is not good representation
Meeting adjourned
I love ur pfp
@@cottoncandywithbread5244 thank you! It’s my own face put through an anime filter with pictures of my real face in top
@@yenzi930 cool
It's worth noting when drawing people in general that the sclerae of your eyes aren't actually white, but more of a light grey.
In realism, pure white should really only be used for high lights, which is where the lighting on an area is at its most intense.
Also important to mention is that a light grey will still look white when placed next to much darker colors in a composition, so using it will still give the intended white effect while not giving the piece that "lizard person" effect as OP put it.
But yeah, I can't really speak too much on matters of POC representation, so I thought I would give some advice in the fundamentals of art (more specifically, realism, since it's important to know the basics there before you really start to stylize) instead.
"Lizard people" omg 🤣
Marvel helped me realize that my Vietnamese mom is not within tolerance for best representation of Asian characters. I have to get her new eyes now.
Your mother is no longer Asian in marvels eyes. YaYyyYy
shi bro me too
It seems Marvel thinks everyone looks like Korean pop stars with eye surgery
I need to get my grandfather new eyes too, uh oh!! Not within tolerance for best representation of Asian characters
This comment is the funniest one I've seen, like, ever.
Nah, the fixed version is accurate. The characters look like they’re in pain, which is how I (as an Asian) feel, seeing a big name business trying to “speak out” on the behalf of Asians.
Had us in the first half, ngl
They do have a thousand yard stare
So I guess they can scratch your name off the list of people they think they're gonna get progressive cookies from.
As an asian myself I totally agree with this.
-Emotional- Financial Damage!!
The worst thing about this is that Marvel's Bullpen "fixed" Smallwood's art because of cultural sensitivity issues, and then a few weeks later they published a story that depicted Pocahontas in the most skimpy clothes possible. Where was that allegedly existing sensitivity reader/viewer there?
It wasn't even Pocahontas, IIRC. It was just a heavily American Indian-inspired character. Thinking Critical has a video on the subject. Even worse, they ended up redrawing several pages of the comic after the usual twelve psychos on Twatter made their noxious voices heard.
@@aderemiporsche It wasn't "just a heavily American Indian-inspired character". You should consider listening to opinions from Native Americans when it's about Native American representation.
Apparently it’s fine when it’s a fictional character, but when it’s about a real person “oh nonono I’m going to sleep” in their eyes.
@@aviaveria8307 nah, everybody can create any character they want, and you can’t force others to “consult” each time they make the said characters. That’s not how art works.
Unless you are talking a documentary, but even then you shouldn’t judge the credibility of people by their skin colour or a group they belong to, as there are experts of Native Americans who aren’t NA, just like there are people who have some NA blood in them but don’t know shit about NA culture
@@natalianatavinden but when a character is inspired by real native american people, it should be common sense to research native culture and make sure you don't make something that represents them poorly or dehumanizes them in any way. like, researching the things you're basing the character off of is just common sense. sure, you dont HAVE to. but your character is just going to be bad. and people are allowed to criticize it.
The worst is that the corrections feel racist, because there was nothing wrong with the art, and they made them more European. Its sad
i am not east Asian, but i am southeast Asian, so i hope this still counts. i agree with your statement. it really offends me that they decided with their stupid pens that it was a good idea to fucking add more white in the eyes because it would be less racist somehow? i fear that it'll end up with Asian erasure because of racial sensitivity or whatever. as another commenter has stated, the people erasing these features could be anti progress, hiding under the idea that this is mocking east Asians for their features. they're not being inclusive. they're being ignorant.
Right! I'm looking at the "fixed" art and the kid just looks like a dark haired white kid. They erased the representation.
Love your username!
@@joutatheegg thanks!
that doesn't look european at all, it just looks wrong
Noticed that when these "art fixers" are "desexualizing" female characters, they just completely get rid of they characters breasts. As though women of the original body type can't be seen as anything other than sexually and women with the new body type can't be seen a sexual in any way. Any body type is capable of being sexualized and expressing sexuality, or the opposite capable of being seen as non sexual, it all depends on contexts and presentation. Like at 9:39 if you see a female character wearing a modest outfit of a long-sleeved tee and shorts as being sexualized just because that character has large breasts, you are the problem, because nothing about that is sexual. Large breasted women in real life and in fiction are not sexual or lude because of their breasts, for real people, naturally large breasts are not a choice and they should not be immediately sexualized because of a body part they have no control over. I want to have large breasted female characters that are not shown in a non sexualized context and who are modest. Rather than having every non sexualized character have smaller breasts and every sexualized character have larger breasts. In doing that you are reducing sexuality and perceived attractiveness down to the size of a woman's breasts, which is dehumanizing and objectifying. Anyways thanks for coming to my Ted talk, sorry for the essay.
my comment got deleted for the seventh time, im just gonna say this.
good opinion, i respect
fuck youtube i want my freedom of speech
Small-breasted woman here lol, and yes, I'm tired of my body type being constantly depicted as unappealing even though I've been told that is not the case by multiple different people. I also feel for my fellow women on the more well-endowed side because I've seen the shit they deal with regularly and it looks exhausting, to say the very least. I just wish we could make it to a point as a society where bodies are no longer seen as inherently sexual or non-sexual and those things are judged only by the context the body is in.
As someone with large breasts : FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS , I hate that the media portrayed them as ‘sexual’ or ‘lewd’ when it’s something someone can’t control
And I have had some people harassing me for big breasts ,and I feel a lot of gender dysphoria because of it ,just because of the stupid media thinking idiotic thing
Nono, don't apologize for the essay. Its absolutely true how people are objectifying woman and reducing them to be boob carriers
Thank you thank you thank you
Draw Asians but don't give them any Asian features? Gosh, this something else.
This is probably the worst.
So, manga/anime.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin dumb take. this is like calling out Big Mouth characters for not looking like their irl race counterparts. it’s heavily stylized and not meant to appear realistic at all. the comic however is clearly going for a realistic look, so, those are different standards entirely to anime.
they made the "fixed" girl look dead inside
That first one is legit horrifying, like she's a psychotic evil telepath attempting to wipe everything from your brain and leave you a drooling vegetable.
Disney workers in a nutshell
Fixing art is rlly disrespecting the artist rather than helping them or whatever excuse they have. Even if you're a troll, it's just something that’s wrong .-.
now imagine doing it to a marvel artist.
I don't think all fixing art is bad, for example, in dragon ball super redraw video, there mostly respecting the same style but their fixing bad anatomy and not making it something else
But the type of fixing art that is just rmaking people drawing to something else is just dumb.
If they disrespecting artist than its not called fixing art in the first place tbh.
@@bluemorpho3221 I agreed, one of good example mayby is the seven deadly sin, when there have permission and there stay with the style, if you tv and Netflix version, there got the same artstyle but it just look upgraded or a bit fix, the one of the last season we got still look bad, but you atleast see there try to fix it or make the anime look better, or for a Netflix audience
They couldn't find a brush (in their haste to fix the non-issue) to even mildly match the artist's actual work... It's so glaringly obvious about being censorship, it feels like there should be something dirty underneath, but it's literally just an East Asian girl. The poor editing job actually almost makes it look _more_ racist than just the fact it was edited alone.
they couldn't bother finding any form of resemblance to matc the artists work, brush, shading style, nothing. everything just a muddy mess with a basic brush smh.
@@MohammedAgbadi I can agree with you honestly, and the person who wrote the message
As an Asian , I do think the fixing is more racist. Asians are allowed to have different facial features and artists are allowed to have different drawing styles.
Same happened with me , I did some art that contained a native american character and was banned for giving the character high cheekbones and a slightly longer face . They didn't even acknowledge that I am native american myself.
Oof
So in there opinion, every native american looks the same?
My great-grandfather was Native (South American) and had high cheekbones and a long face, from what I saw in photos. He was apparently super tall, as well.
Plenty of Inuit have the same facial features you mentioned.
Now you can't draw something that represents reality, lest you offend someone...
Corporations: we are against race discrimination!
Also corporations: let’s make the characters have features close to generic Caucasian so is more appropriate!
Not the art fixerss,, i also hate the weirdos that believe they are "helping" PoC when in reality theyre doing the exact opposite
me and you both
I hate the term PoC it implies that everyone with brown skin is kin and everyone with pink skin is also kin. Which isn't accurate to lineage or culture. Also it sounds like 1940s vocabulary and I can't unhear the transatlantic accent dripping with disdain.
I imagine them believing racism will stop if they grab Photoshop's multiply layer and paste a brown color into the skin with the bucket tool
Just gotta love how the "fix" isn't even anatomically accurate. The white in the original art wasn't missing, it was blending into the lower eyelid, which is somethig frequently done to soften the expression in black/white art (including manga) for characters where the skin is shaded in the same tone as the white of the eye, avoiding the hard black line that is simply not there in real life. Like, you simply don't draw the lower eyelid explicitly, just indicate where it is at the corners of the eyes. In the "fixed" panel, the shape of the eyelid is totally wrong and the eyes are actually smaller in the edited version because they somehow turned the iris into the whole eye??? If they have no idea what they are doing, they really should leave such revisions to the original artist, although I really do not think these changes were really necessary...
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. The original genuinely Did Not need to be fixed, and the fixed version just looks uncanny. (Speaking as an asian myself, btw)
YESSSS, the white of the eye is still there an perceived by the viewer in the original panel. The thing about too much linework in the face in black and white work is that it can make it feel very uncanny valley and just wrong. So when a PROFESSIONAL artist who knows what they're doing draws a face they know how to make you perceive those features that aren't necessarily blatantly lined out in front of you.
Agreed. Also on the first pages of the comic, at 7:28 , the possible protagonist who seems like a Caucasian woman doesn't have lower eyelids drawn either so it's a weird choice to edit them only to the Asian characters.
this!!!!
I always do that too. I once drew my cousin in anime style and because she had narrow eye I just drew the upper eyelid. it's giving the illusion
As an Asian, the original is more of a style of the inkwork. High contrast and deep shadows. There are plenty of Asian made comic artwork has similar style.
This! I was thinking that the original work fits so much better while the fixed eyes look like they don’t fit the overall painting.
If the book fails, you know who's fault it is.
lmaoooo!
I dont get it
@@mrmeckles9422if the Marvel book fails, it's Marvel's fault
People should start calling it what it is. They aren't art fixers, they are plagiarizers.
Yeah, taking someone else’s art and then trying to draw it yourself or put a Little spin on it is ok, like is you wanna draw a character black or whatever go for it, but it’s when they claim they fixed it, taking ownership of the art , it’s like if you trued and replace the Mona Lisa with a painting of her but black or fat.
The absolute worst are channels that center on this type of content, like most of their videos are just fixing someone's art and telling everyone how "wrong" it is, I feel like it's a form of bullying, unless is a relationship with their viewers sending them their art to roast or smth
I think vandals also applies here, as well.
Scum is also a good alternative to use
East Asian here, Greg's art is very spot-on and I don't find it at all disrespectful or misrepresentative. Required zero edits. Not just that but the "fixes" are just awful in mechanical quality even ignoring their apparent artistic goal. Part of me wonders if this is actually a case of someone who is actually anti-progress, using the guise of this correction as a way of actually poisoning the well of conversation that would normally spring from a REAL problematic depiction, which Greg's is not. Because if you consider the backlash here, especially promoting the pejorative use of "SJW" as a label and concept to push back broadly on any and all progressive ideation, the real product of this entire episode is deleterious to progress. No reasonable person would take this action against Greg and foresee anything else.
that's actually a fantastic point! There's a long history of people pretending to be progressives just to try and give a bad look to people actually pushing for these ideals
thank u for your perspective. Id rather hear how an east asian person feels about the art. I agree your wondering about this being to poison the well as you said.
It's literally the definition of white savior complex 😂 actually trying to correct something but then it makes you more racist than the art you're trying to "fix"
i am east asian too and i agree with u. but the part shown in the thumbnail does look a bit odd since it looks like the whole eye is black 😅 ??? the other drawings are much better than the edits though
I'm east asian too and i agree with you bro. i find the original art really really fucking cute. It completely displays the proportions well and she doesn't even look half bad, she is definitely a 10/10 for me.
Imagine walking up to Michelangelo to “fix” his David by chiseling out your own details because to you it looked wrong.
It’s been done to classic paintings before, the church painting leaves on nude paintings because of fears of “degeneracy”
@@Blablablablabla392 Yeah, it's sad all that fine art being desecrated
I've heard of a painting-ception censoring, painting of a lady next to a window and on a wall behind her used to be a cupid painting that was covered because of nudity
Taking out david's dick..whos with me?
Its funny, the Vatican had someone paint strategic drapery over Michelangelo’s “Last Judgment” because of all the nudity.
By implying that you need to modify the eyes to be “accurate Asian representation” just feels like they’re saying that “this version of an Asian character is right while the other is not” when in reality, there are a lot of Asian people who look like the original and a lot of Asian people that look nothing close to it. Even within a single race, no one person looks the exact same (hell, I’ll bet that there is someone that looks like the “fixed” photo) if anything both can be a form of representation, but because they had to say that the original isn’t accurate and go so far as to modify and distribute it without the artist permission, it just sets the tone that they think there is only one form of Asian representation (which is not even close)
Yep, all this racial sensitivity always have such massive racist underlines - they either make the facial features closer to a white person, closer to a caricature of the race they’re supposedly advocating for or my personal fave: lemme make this person less attractive by making their skin darker!
It's really awful to see people using representation as nothing more than a marketing tool. I'm mixed and live in Europe which of course meant that growing up I had little to no good representation (especially since I'm half southeast Asian or in short 'the bad kind of Asian 🙄). I still remember how insecure and awkward I felt about myself because people always had to mention how 'exotic' or 'Chinese' I looked and then there were those who thought it was funny to call me the n-word because I used to be kinda tan. I was genuinly embarrassed of the fact that I wasn't 'white' enough, and this self-loathing led me to believe that I wasn't as good or pretty as everyone else around me. But now that I'm older I realized that the real problem wasn't me but those who felt superior because of something neither I nor they could control. So it really annoys me seeing good Asian representation getting this kind of treatment.
i'm a native filipino and even I went through similar struggles because i always felt the need to be light skinned because colorism is so rampant here even when pretty much everyone here are people of color 💀 i used to be tanned too not that long ago because i was always under the sun for school reasons and people always felt the need to comment on it because i was born with my skin lowkey light and i had bad internal racism because of it, and the lack of representation certainly didn't help aaa 🕴
@@frogpog4315 Isn't colorism just a fancy way to say "racism towards your own race"? like, I'm a black American and that same problem exists in the black community. But I always just saw it as blatant racism, I never bothered to see it as anything else cause I don't use the new definition of racism. I use the original one. Either way, people being shitty towards other people for skin color is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen and I genuinely feel bad that you both had to go through it. No one should.
@@tenebraequeene yeah, even if people here are people of color, a lot of filipinos are still racist even towards each other 💀 living here in the philippines since birth and they just drill into your head that light skin = good and dark skin = not good, it took me a while to accept my skin color but man that shit took a toll on my mental health especially when i became insecure about my physical appearance 🕴
They literally made an innocent looking Asian child into something Junji Ito would have made.
Good job.
I feel like engaging with twitter as a whole is real blight on the art community as a whole, it feels like the people who do edits like this also have prejudices themselves, but highlighting more instances of twitter being twitter is akin to beating a dead horse.
Idk man, idiots will be idiots despite the platform, Im an animator and the platform I use most is twitter, I’ve always had great engagement in there, the most drama I’ve seen has been over instagram, however. Not trying to protect the platform btw, just food for thought.
This and the fact that Twitter users intentionally go out of their way to harass me over my medium is why I have halted using my Twitter for anything social.
@@kassyyar97 It heavily depends on the amount of interaction with the community you have. I personally use twitter for my art, and avoid interacting with any potentially negative/controversial posts for my mental health- so for the most part I've had a positive experience there with my new account!
Being someone that posts my art on twitter, I've never been more glad to just post animals and flowers, and not people.
og artist: making the characters stylized and pretty
The fixer: that's not okay! they need to look like a sleep paralysis demon, you should know that
Honestly I hate the term "SJW" because the weird thing is, its implying an advocate for social justice, which should be a good thing, but it's only ever used to refer to a person the speaker has a problem with, whether warranted or not. And if it is warranted, like here where the change makes the people, that they're attempting to better represent, upset, then they aren't advocating for social justice in the first place. If they were, they'd care when the people from that community say theres a problem
tldr: Whenever SJW is used, it's only a buzzword that doesn't mean anything due to its use case.
In conclusion, I say call this person what they are. An asshole
THANK YOU for putting my thoughts into words
@@frogpog4315 hey man I'm just glad the first response wasn't something along the lines of "well ackshually..." glad I had a good take
Well said 👏🏾
yeah i think calling these people SJWs makes the person saying it look bad, not them, because the term is mostly used by right wingers when talking about leftists or people that care about social issues
I usually stick with calling these people for "self-righteous warriors". 'Cause it's never about social justice or positive change or bridging differences for people like that. But revenge, social clout and/or grifting.
Ah. Twitter. It never stops surprising me. First, the Arcane fanart from hero hei, to this. It's like a gift that keeps on secreting acid.
the arcane fan art?! didnt see that!
@@MohammedAgbadi yep. Hero hei just talked about it like an hour or so.
@@dravendraven1471 I never liked Hero Hei since his content seems to thrive off of "SJW's bad Progressive Bad Woke Bad Diversity Bad" but he had a point there with that video
Arcane too ?!? You know what I'm not even surprised anymore
Arcane fanart?
They made her look so creepy wth. Forcing all characters to have big wide open eyes is so questionable
I THOUGHT WE HAD LEFT THIS WITH THE ZEEFIXESART CONTROVERSY
bro new ones keep springing up bro
!!! there is an exact clone on twitter called rosefixesart
The coporations probably took notes!
@@MohammedAgbadi I'm sorry W H A T
It's really bizarre that they took what were supposed to be her irises (drawn black to represent brown eyes), filled them with white, and drew smaller irises inside them. Like we should be hearing a BOING sound effect.
Nothing wrong with editing an artwork for personal reasons. But the moment you go all around claiming it's being "fixed," then that's just disrespectful.
But this example, unlike the previous cringy Twitter/Tumblr edits, is worse than what I've seen before. They didn't even give him permission. Hopefully he sues them. Honestly comic artists should go indie instead of letting these elites tamper with their work.
this is even in a professional setting where fixing is way more insulting than just trolling an artist
Editing someone else's art for any reason what so ever is disrespectful and unacceptable. You're not a university professor. Stop.
I was already appaled but... When you said that it would be the same as Marvel saying that an artist that drew a wide-nosed black character and then making it thinner, without permission. It really got to me. Because my black ass has a REALLY wide nose and im proud of my big-ass nose and if someone drew someone with a big nose like mine i would be THRILLED. So, if i knew Marvel themself made it to be thinner because they thought it wasnt "representative" enough (read: marketable aka digestable enough for their white audience, whixh is really what they mean, let's be real), that would go around way more than this as how fucked up and racist that is. I'm glad that so many ppl got outraged, but you know they woukd never do this if the character was black. Because Asian ppl have, undortunately, still extremely stigmatized for their eyes and the history of that is very much pushed down to seem like less of an issue. And its so sad to see.
As an Asian, it upsets me that they tried "fixing" his work. His art was fine as it is and some Asians do have those features as in eyes so it is representation.
are peoples ethnic features not allowed in art anymore
apparently art has to be perfectly accurate. no features allowed.
@@MohammedAgbadi accurate to what?
@@atom8248 let’s ask the guys at marvel.. since they’re the ones with all the answers
If perfectly accurate depiction of a specific race was that important the editors, they should have hired an Asian artist in the first place. However there was clearly no malice intended from this guy, so race shouldn't play a role in any of this. If an Asian artist turned in this exact same work, they wouldn't have batted an eye. Great video as always
8/10 of fixers on twitter dont even know the basic of drawing because most that they "fixed" looks worse than elementary student would made,you can see even the characters they fix they change their ethnicity entirely,and they think thats correct changing someone identity because they feel like it but at the same time if a artist makes a art repressenting the people those twitter "artists" wants to support they get mad for not following stereotype tropes we see on TV thats really racist and hypocrite of them.
Some feel stereotypes like knuckles since as shown knuckles is a easy to fool hot headed dummy. Which sounds very.. sus if people think he’s automatically black.
Everytime I hear about "art fixes", I have to think of that one episode from spongebob, when squidward puts his fake nose on spongebob's sculpture and he says: "now it's art".
"Did someone say the Self-Justifying Warriors?"
lmaoo
1:17 there’s nothing wrong with having pronouns in your bio, but all the other stuff is definitely true. if you are someone who fights for representation etc.. you aren’t an sjw. most sjw’s are just white ppl who think they know stuff abt poc struggles. East Asian features are very diverse, some have monolids some have double eyelids. if east asian people are saying it’s offensive then it is, but it is not someone else’s job to say so. instead, they are offending many east asians by pushing offensive stereotypes.
Yeah the fact that the commenter had to bring up pronouns felt off
@@melsukiii definitely, it seemed like they tried to make a safe place for transphobes and invalidate people’s gender identities. everyone has pronouns, it was unnecessary to add.
@@melsukiii Because people who have pronouns in their bios are usually toxic and obnoxious. A Japanese Twitter artist had to make a warning to other artists about people who cause trouble. They made a list of certain things that the toxic users have to avoid them and having pronouns in bios is one of them.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel i mean most younger people online have pronouns in their bio, correlation ≠ causation
@@brutus3631 More like bad connotations. I don't think we'd be annoyed with people who have pronouns in their bios if they weren't obnoxious.
As someone from the eastern side of Asia, those "fixed" art from Marvel scares me.
I remember when he posted that thread. It's disappointing to see that happening on a professional level. If you want an especially egregious example of people "fixing" art to be more "pc" there's a tumblr that I can't stand called fixingbadcomicbookart.
Anyone could say this, but I know some people would need confirmation from an asian person
*we don't care about the eye whites. We like representation. We don't freak out over eye whites. Stop getting over dramatic about EYES.*
Still Marvel should have never done that. Like if someone made my character different because the most minor thing that they focused on, I would actually be so mad
It's a lot more helpful if people tell the artist that the art is offensive than to fix it yourself because if they're a good person they wouldn't want to continue making art like that and most likely want to fix it themselves. If they're a bad person then they probably never cared in the first place/did it intentionally and to that I say just ignore them because they just want to provoke people (but do call them out to other creators so people know not to support them)
Also not all art that people disagree with needs to be fixed too! Sometimes people/characters do just genuinely have features that look "offensive" but aren't. If only one character looks stereotype-ish but the rest of the characters who are the same race/ethnicity don't then I think you're safe. But if they ALL look like stereotypes then we have a problem.
Problem is, there is already too much moral busy bodies trying to destroy people's live over something that is in no way shape or form can even be considered as offensive by the majority of human race. Finding someone who genuinely care about real offensive arts or conducts is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Twitter is the turd that keeps on stinkin' 🤦🤦🤦
lmaooooo
A simple solution. Don’t “fix” peoples art if they’re not asking you to do so. Even if it’s an “edit”. Don’t change an artists aspect, then post it online without their consent.
What do they want us to do?! Wear eye contacts and cake ourselves with foundations?! HELL NO, OUR EYES ARE FINE JUST THE WAY THEY ARE
zeefixesart is a name I never wished to hear again. Marvel took an L on this one
lmaooo then to marvel?? that's one come up story
There are worse things. I discovered videos of a series called Miraculous where "fans" complain about the fact that the main character Marinette who is a French Italian and Chinese mixed, does not make enough Asian (that she had no slanted eyes while she looks like her mother who is Chinese). And that he finds strange the fact that the character does not know how to speak Chinese, when it is clearly said that she never set foot in China or that she could not learn it even if she tries. It’s the same for her Italian background she don't speak italian, but people focus more on the fact that she knows nothing but Chinese but not Italian.
well i mean she is half chinese and only a quarter italian. it makes sense for people to focus on her chinese heritage as that is double the amount of italian she has
I wouldnt be surprised if none of the people at Marvel that had a problem with this art were actually of asian descent.
This whole fixing art thing is a cancer. Stop touching other people's art. dangit
Twitter never fails to baffle me
it's an amazing place honestly
You know what we do like though, the fact that this man uploaded again, keep up the FIRE as always
400K pack on the horizon
thankyou so much! i have to be more consistent!
@@MohammedAgbadi same here man, havent posted on my instagram in months, and i used to upload my art as well on youtube.
we got this tho
My favorite part is that in the original one of the girl's face her cheeks are scrunched up. Her eyes are then going to look narrowed because of that. By changing it makes it really creepy because her eyes are totally incongruous with the rest of her expression.
Also because they drew the entire eye inside what I'm pretty sure was supposed to just be the pupil it looks like her eyes are super tiny and beady.
love how the "fixed" versions look worse, and, in the case of the little girl, creepy
They should have left their art alone!!
That original spread really inspired me!!!
It’s like those creepy paintings where the eyes follow you. The reason he didn’t put in the white in the eyes for the little girl is 1. It’s stylized it isn’t supposed to be exactly like in real life, and 2. It’s clear that the pages were going to be black and white so the white of the eyes would be hard to discern anyway.
I think, like most movements, the art "fix" started off with good intentions, primarily fixing those spine-breaking poses that artist would put women in to show both boobs and butt at the same time. But, like with a lot of failed movements, it lost its meaning (in this case, anatomically correct illustrations), even though the intention was good.
I worry about things like this, because it gives certain people in my country something to use as "proof" of some bizarre claim like "people crying about racial inequality are the true racists."
Too late. Most of the people claiming to have the moral high ground and witch hunting people for their opinion about race are the true racists.
In Latinoamérica they had been using it to make fun of many pro women rights movements and even in groups I am where I explain they ignore it. Like “mira estos sjw son tan pende q se trauman con un dibujo” (look at these sjw that are so dumb they get traumatized with a drawing) and using that to discredit the actual glaring issue of sexism in many parts of the Latinoamérica geek culture
wanna show boobs + butt? draw a mirror in the background hahaha. no spine breaking necessary.
it's really disappointing that marvel edit the artist's work and just made it werid. 🤦🏽♀️🤢
This is like when people say drawing a character with their eyes closed all the time is insensitive. Sometimes people just have small eyes.
I remember seeing this story on Twitter, it's just wild to know that people that "fix" art legit think stylized and or simplified drawings = not good representation. As an Asian myself I feel more offended by these people trying to "fix" the art when the artist who tried his best and put effort into his drawings.
Not only is it disrespectful to the artist, it also became creepy in the process. Looks quite creepy
I like making art and if I have anyone “fix” my art despite me drawing mainly on paper and modeling in 3D I bet people will find me one day and might do this which I hope not.
When it comes to 'fixing' artwork, in the animation industry it's standard for someone to submit their work and get feedback or "drawovers" as guides, which are then edited by the original artist.
In Japanese animation these draw over guides aka corrections are done on a thin yellow paper that people who have looked at some of the behind the scenes of anime might recognise!
It's someones job to be the lead/supervisor and give this feedback in order to A. keep the characters on model and consistent for the show (the level of strictness depends on the studio/budget/etc) and to help make the animation turn out the best it can be!
However there are also times when certain bits get edited/altered later down the production line as different people view it and work on it, in cases like this it's very different than in the case with this comic artist, as the nature of animation is that every single shot is done by a ton of people all contributing different things to it. It's meant to be a team effort!
With comics like this however, the first and final versions are typically done by one artist (and their assistants in some cases!) and the natural expectation is that what they turn in, it the final edit.
For the client to then go and send it off for another person to edit, is quite unconventional and especially in this case, just downright awful!
Basically as one legendary man once told us... There is a time and place for everything, but not now!!
Another Tuesday at this point. I don’t get why people “fix” art when they don’t ask it. You should never do this unless the artist ASKS specifically for suggestions and you get permission to draw over and give constructive criticism.
wait,art fixers ?
oh no...
*Zeefixesart bad memories intensifies*
hahha you're not ready for rosefixesart
@@MohammedAgbadi XD
The artwork looked great because of how striking the style was, it wasn't a characture or offensive representation of an asian person. These 'fixes' felt uncomfortable and wrong, and they cross a line.
They made it even more cursed.. kinda wish there's a creepypasta about someone 'fixing' someone's art. Kinda curious how that would go too.
Oh this reminds me of the time I was illustrating an African history inspired comic but one of the characters was deleted because the headpiece looked similar to native Americans head piece thing is the dude was a Caucasian running this and thought it was appropriation and would get me cancelled... It was not I am an African the two pieces look nothing alike they are not worn the same way they don't have the same elements and are not used in the same way but okay I guess sure
Did you tell them this? What did they say?
I like them just the way they are. It looks more expressive with the shadowed whites and enlarged pupils; it puts focus on every curve and angle of the character's face. It's more emotive of feeling than their blank and unimpressive edited stare.
Twitter moment
but seriously, this is just further (and further...) proof we need an accessible art platform for old and new artists alike without a blanket blacklist (tumblr, deviantArt, etc.) to hold those artists back. i get the rise of personal blogs and the like but it's such a pain, if not outright impossible, to find artists similar to those you like on blogs and such.
Boi how i miss the old times when there's no right or wrong in art, purely self-expression. This art-fixer thing makes me hesitate to post my own art in social medias because i'm sick of their so-called 'fixing' and cancel culture
5:46 The fixed version looks so creepy because of the supernatural stare. The original picture also has implied sclera which is normal in black n white comics.
Just like how in manga, the sclera isn't drawn most of the time and is always implied.
Funny how Marvel thinks the original drawings makes the Asian characters look suspicious when the fixed drawings actually make them look suspicious.
The eyes of the fixed art in the thumbnail reminds me of the eyes on ancient Egyptian art
Imagine your drawing tablet being tampered with stickers of things you're uncomfortable with because the person tampered it says it 'looks more pleasing and loveable'. Yea, just like 'fixed' artwork.
I love when people disrespect your artwork and have the nerve tell you to quit art yet forgotten what matters to get good idk started off bad mmm?
The original looks like a family photo and the "fixed" one looks like what they showed you what the killer looks like in a documentary
Story time!
Ok, so, I was busy working on a simple bust design for one of my more recent main OCs, mostly just to practice drawing female facial structures. Alas, even the pixel art community has those "fixers". Before I upload, I ask my fellow artists about changes to help improve the facial structure while preserving my style, well in comes this one guy who goes overkill changing so many details that it stressed me out. I'm talking modifying skin tone, redoing facial structures, changing the expression. The whole 9 yards. I talk about how it just does not correlate to what I'm attempting to do (politely, because I still like getting critiques from others) and the guy just gets flabbergasted at me, treating me like I'm unappreciative of their work "fixing" my art even though it can't be considered close to the original. Then he goes on about how I'm not representing the female form right and I'm a sexist pig. I eventually just had to block em and just call the piece I had before the guy rolled in good enough.
I always learn a lot from your videos. Art topics that I don't usually/easily can find. Thank you for this video. Really love your contents. More power to your awesome channel.
thankyou so much! I'm so glad you do, have a nice day!
Thank you sir for this video!! I had watched your older videos during my last vacation (I can't binge on YT for such a long time during my school year due to a set of works that needed to be finished) but this video sir made me realize the wrong things I've done during my academic research projects with my partners and team members.
I know research projects are different to art, so I honestly don't know up until now if I'm actually doing something wrong or not. I used to ask permission from my teammates and partners if I could revise their work which covers grammar, paragraph and sentence structure, spelling, preferred terms and phrases, and omitting what I believe are unnecessary segments. Before correcting smth esp when I don't understand what they're trying to say, I ask them what's the message they're tryna say in their work. I sometimes get to be in a rush and not inform them about revising the specific parts I'm revising again!
The thing I'm sooo sure that I was wrong is when my corrections are actually just unnecessary. And those situations usually occur (I believe) when I'm tired myself upon checking and letting my overthinking drive me badly. What's even more embarrassing is when my work is sometimes worse than theirs and yet I check their work.
Sir Mohammed and the community, how do I correct people's work properly? I want to be a helpful member and leader and I'm struggling with it..
I love that you put music from Bully and RDR2 in this video. Hearing it really helped this story go down easier for me! Thanks! 😊
Artist: Ahh I like this look in my art, I like how it turns out.
Fixers: Allow me to introduce myself
Y’a know, I might post my art on Twitter. If only ppl like this who feel the need to fix art, weren’t as promenant… and if my dad didn’t follow me on Twitter.
Thanks for keeping up the videos talking about this stuff. We need artists to address this.
I only just found out about your channel recently and I have to say, your voice is sooooo nice to listen to!
So basically. Yeah it is wrong to 'fix' someone else's art, and as long as you reach out or say, "hey I got inspired by this artist and I discussed with them privately. We 'fixed' each others art with permission," of course satire is important to a personality. Marvel should make changes and ask the artist 'hey does this look good?' and the artist themselves can choose.
Edit: I'm autistic but that just means I see the world in my view, I can play a role while being myself if I stutter because I'm talking to fast or thinking. The short name for this is INFJ,
INFP (introversion, intuition, feeling, perception) is a four-letter abbreviation for one of the 16 personality types identified by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. 1 The INFP personality type is often described as an "idealist" or "mediator" personality.)
If you would like to learn more about autism it's good to do your own research in your own time, but maybe this will make sense to the creator of this channel.
I'm Asian and I like the original drawing. But apparently Marvel thinks that making an Asian character have Asian features is racist.
It's been called the Marvel Bullpen for decades. Bullpens are where the relief players warmup in baseball. Stan Lee used the name for the alliteration in the Bullpen Bulletins, he said it was because the Marvel offices were like a stable with a bunch of bulls in it.
reminds me of this time i saw someone draw nezuko as a real person on tiktok, since she's japanese they gave her monolids as most japanese people have. and people took offence and got mad, saying it was racist??? and that her eyes were too thin? she looked fine and realistic. the artist ended up changing her eyes to be wider with double eyelids, and wearing makeup like highlighter and drawn on aegyosals. who knew sjws would be the ones doing the whitewashing.
I’d like a question answered. Can you really not have nudity in a comic? Is it because the comic isn’t rated for adults or something? There’s lots of nudity in movies that are shown in theaters, so I’m really confused by this. And to hear that you can be sued for it doesn’t sit well with me.
the big two (being dc and marvel) don't even allow uncensored swearing in their comics, so its not a rating issue, i believe its just the old CCA regulations lingering in their publishing. but nudity is allowed with pretty much every other comic publisher out there
@@ashleyc.3176 tyty
I have an idea: Greg should’ve submitted this to a publisher other than Marvel & DC.
america had weird censorship laws probably.
Why nudity is so taboo is so weird to me. It's just normal human bodies.
"which is such an appropriate name for the cow feces this is gradually piling up to become" holy crap dude you killed him
How do you "fix" someone's art and make a kid look like a paralysis demon
I have an Asian inspired character. Though, her skin is a light blue. Because she's a Tiefling. Everything else is relatively Asian. I'd be perfectly comfortable with someone politely informing me that I need to revise the character or edit my art pieces to make her look more Asian. But to steal my art and edit it themselves to make it more "acceptable", only for her to look less Asian?
POV: everyone who can see the whites in the eyes without that ugly edit
Hmmmm…..here’s the thing, I think if you are working within a professional company it’s isn’t wrong to have people who deal specifically with racial sensitivity meaning you can have people who are actually a part of a particular race actually looking over the art work to make sure you’re not making your characters look like a caricature. In this case I think they might have been thinking it looked like a caricature because it’s incredibly common for people to draw Asian people with literally just a dark line to represent slanted eyes, which is where I think concerns and fixation on seeing the white of the eyes came into the whole “fixing” thing, but in this a case the examples of what they wanted changed were being done by someone who is clearly a not as skilled artist so it’s doesn’t look better, but I also understand slightly what their concerns might have been even if it wasn’t really warranted or really necessary. I think the drawings were fine to begin with, but I also understand companies being concerned about not releasing content that might be insensitive.
I noticed the pinned comment and I genuinely don’t think these people were concerned with making the characters have less features that are typically common among Asian people, or more white as the comment suggest, they were concerned about it being done in a way that looks inaccurate or like a caricature. I do think these people were wrong for their approach to this persons work but I also don’t think that people who are specifically concerned with racial sensitivity within an actual company are the same as the people who go out of their way to fix random peoples art online. Like I wish there were people working with manga creators to tell some of them that black peoples lips don’t look like that (you know the lips I’m talking about) but this just happens to be a case where there wasn’t really anything to be concerned about in the first place.
This is why Manga, Manhwa/Webtoon, and Manhua is gained more and more fans, meanwhile comic book sale is decreasing 😂
I’m going to be honest: the changes feel less realistic and very uncanny compared to the original
I hate how "Art fixers" Try to "fix" and "de-sexulize" characters by giving them things like making them poc, smaller breasts, more fat, ect. Its like saying all that is not attractive and would only make the people you are trying to represent feel worse or more insecure
They tried to fix something "stereotypicaly offenssive"...
But end up white washing the eyes
Good Job Marvel 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🌟
/jkjk
(But seriously, its so wrong)
Yes amazing job 👏 you whitewashed the eyes and made the characters look like a sleep paralysis demon /jk
The fact that they thought it was ok to publish the fix when the fix is very problematic They damaged the artists name and only now "fixed it"
im new to this channel but the uncle ruckus theme in the background is so hilarious omg