Why Tom Holland Is The Worst Spider-Man (ft. the other Spider-Man characters)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- With Spider-Man: No Way Home out now, I explain why I think Tom Holland is the worst Spider-Man, and why all the other MCU Spider-Man characters are the worst versions of their characters as well.
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I blame the writers more than Tom Holland. He did a great job in Civil War
I agree. I wish his story had build up from being an independent hero then join the Avengers. I know the writers were thinking that viewers would get tired seeing Uncle Ben being the main focus for Peter to become Spider-Man but him being Iron Man's apprentice I feel wasn't really needed.
@@JPShadow47 I personally feel like they completely forgot about Uncle Ben in the MCU
@@Faint7903 They kind of did but they wanted to avoid putting him in the MCU
I thought his debut appearance in Civil War was godawful. All of the “humor” attached to his character is just him being painfully awkward and him acting like an autistic kid with ADHD. He was obnoxious even if his character is supposed to be that of a high schooler, and it felt like Tony Stark was babysitting a second grader rather than having deputized an adolescent that’s unfamiliar with the Avengers-level playing field.
@@Faint7903 not really, they stated before that they wanted to be different and not have yet another uncle ben death
I get that in Homecoming, Tom Holland's spiderman was supposed to be young and naive but in the later movies they just made him stupid. His idiotic decisions in No Way Home seem selfish and childish. Isn't Peter Parker supposed to be intelligent? Difficult to relate to his spiderman because the decisions he made are the kind of the decisions that someone who lived a privileged life would make. And that's not Peter Parker.
@Erik Kemeey Curing them is kinda Cheesy for a Spiderman movie i thought Curing them was too easy just wish they would of put on a fight but the movie was good
You sir, have no idea who Spider-Man is.
The genius behind the MCU, that no one appreciates, is that they were the first ones (in live action or cartoon) that showed how Spider-Man was in the first 28 issues of his comics. Aka the ditko high school era. Spider-Man doesn’t start as an inspiration in these comics, Spider-Man starts off as an unlucky frustrated little kid, who constantly tries to proof himself, and constantly fights an unfair world. It’s was also silly, entertaining, and very comic, because when Stan Lee started writing Spider-Man, he wrote his stories as a gag because he was so sick of the stuff he used to write all the years before he started the Marvel heroes. They were stories full of silliness, and cheesy situations, sprinkled with serious criminal drama. And that’s exactly how it is in the MCU.
For example, you'll see Spiderman making plenty of mistakes like in homecoming and far from home. You'll see peter arresting criminals before they do a robbery and they call the police and him just standing there like an idiot (homecoming vibe), you'll see him getting scammed and being played by mysterio (far frome home vibe), you'll see him having an adventure with Dr. Strange around the time of his graduation (No way Home vibe), you'll see him comparing himself to johnny storm and and the fantastic 4 (like he does with Tony and the avengers in the MCU), you'll see him doing naive things like trying to cash in a check without writing his name (homecoming vibe), there is no Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy in the ditko era (same as MCU), his life has completely changed at the end of no way home like it kinda did at the end of issue 28, Uncle Ben is barely mentioned (once or twice) in the first 30 issues (exactly like the home trilogy). There are no real consequences in the ditko era during high school (there are no real Consequences in homecoming and far from home), Peter is a happy go lucky kid who enjoys being Spiderman and sometimes thinks irresponsibly because he's just a teenager (unlike the raimi movies and just like the MCU). Peter's identity was in crisis in issue 12 (and it was in crisis in the home trilogy). The high school and friends interactions are heavily emphasized in the ditko comics (unlike the raimi and Webb movies and just like in the MCU).
The things the MCU made different from the comics have a very good reason to, like making Tony stark build him the suit (a story telling tool that shows the evolution of Peter Parker until he makes his own suit, highlighting the growth and maturity of the character) Aunt May has a way more satisfying arc in the MCU than she did in the comics (by making her younger and more important to Peter). Peter having EDITH (to emphasize Peter's terrible luck in no way home and to be used by mysterio to frame him just like in the comics).
So it’s sad that the most comic accurate Spider-Man we ever got is the most hated and the most underrated :(
@Warfox Exactly.
@Warfox What makes Spider-Man great is his evolution, look at how he started out in civil war and homecoming, and look at where his now.
That’s exactly how it was in Stan Lee’s original run. Like at how Spider-Man is in issues 1-4 and look at how he is in issue 34. Then look at how he is in issue 50. Tremendous character development. It’s as if he is a different person.
And the MCU emulated that perfectly with the wall crawler. Fans will ruin the Spider-Man character if they controlled him. Spider-Man is not for all people. Most people are dumb and bullies.
Spider-Man is for bully victims, Spider-Man is for people who constantly get misunderstood, Spider-Man is for people who might accidentally lose their nerves and then people exaggeratedly judges them. That’s how MCU Peter is like, a frustrated kid who life constantly shuts down, and screws things up more than he saves things, and is being judged negatively by everyone…from iron man himself to J Jonah Jameson to the public.
And fans say “he’s iron man jr” fans are so unbelievably dumb.
@Warfox I don't care that he's a tech character I care that he has to ride off of someone else.
Spiderman has always been a one man band besides the casual team ups.
He doesn't make cool qips anymore he makes stupid pop-culture references I don't know if you know this but we kids AREN'T ACTUALLY LIKE THAT.
They took away his common sense something that he usually has, spiderman is supposed to be some type of child prodigy
Edit:I feel that Mcu spiderman is at his best when there is no iron man involved he only ever made pop-culter references around him and his whole entire personality seems to revolve around tony when he's around I liked the last mcu 2 spiderman movies honestly but the first one and spiderman's first introduction not my vibe.
The only thing I didn't like about Tom's Spider-Man was how careless he was with his real identity
Stan lee wanted teenager supes to not become sidekicks
But mcu just did it and disrespected his idea
How? He’s literally not a side kick ever
@@Clankem What… ? He clearly is.
@@Clankem well at least now he is own his own I want to see how they will handle him in spider 4
@@HistoryPersist how. Every final villain he’s defeated by himself. Except nwh. But he’s clearly the front runner for that one. And would’ve ended goblin if not for Toby. He’s not a sidekick
@@gozinator_btw me too. I really need this to be great
We can't really blame Tom Holland, only blame the writers and directors and designers, Tom did the best with what he was given.
Nah! He sucks, look at uncharted aswell
@nevermind4555 that was a miscast. He's overrated
Tom holland is bad we also blame him for his bad spiderman performance
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Nah we can 100% blame Tom Crapland. He claims he's read comics but he's okay with how different and inaccurate his version is.
I would’ve loved if everybody tried to undermine Spider-Man for his age just to prove to them that no, just because he’s young, doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be treated like an equal. Not a side kick, or an underling, his own hero who is more capable and selfless than most of the other heroes around him. All at the age of 16. Would’ve been awsome to see a live-action mcu rendition of the Spectacular Spider-Man tv show.
This is why I love the PlayStation game version the most, because outside the suit he’s mature and a little awkward but stumbles to have a normal life, and in the suit he’s quippy and fun but not to an annoying degree
Why are you even comparing them? lol, the mcu version is almost a decade younger
I agree until they changed his face. Completely took me out of it.
@@hoya1178DUDE TOM HOLLAND IS JUST A BAD SPIDERMAN, HE IS SO LAME. THAT WHY HE COMPARE THE INSOMNIACS SPIDERMAN, because even a spiderman from a game is better than your lame tom holland.
@@TSU_PIA Insomniac's Spider-Man needs constant help from others and Miles is proving to be a better Spider-Man than Peter even though he is less experienced.
Also using capital letters that much makes you look like a little child.
@@hoya1178disagree with wat u said but the other guy is acting like a kid
Tom Holland Spider-Man is THE worst spider-man to ever show up on the big screens. The 2018 game had a MUCH better take on Spider-Man, Yuri Lowenthal did an amazing job with the character.
You say the back symbol looks like a child drew it despite the fact that the back symbol is straight up taken from the original comics and is used pretty much to this day in the comics (Tobey maguire fan here btw)
Kinda.
Agreed... I do like it
Not everything translates to live action perfectly not to mention that that home made simplistic logo clashes with high tech and slick modern suit.
@Rocky Montana Garcia mayne exactly.
@Rocky Montana Garcia mayne deadass I like it more than the actual spider designs on the back, I’m fine with whatever is on the front but i like the simplistic back logo more because Spiderman is supposed to look goofy no matter how cool we think he is, i mean it’s a nigga in a leotard who sewed his own suit
See I always related to Bruce Banner as a kid and I still do,especially the 2003 Hulk version, he was a reserved,quiet and intelligent man who never threw a punch at anyone and bottled his anger and sadness so deep within himself that if he were ever to let it out it would be catastrophic and watching the Hulk was like that euphoric feeling of release of turmoil and anger I wish I was able to let out like Bruce Banner had.
I think we had that Bruce Banner with Edward Norton. While I did like MCU very much in gral. the only big change I would have made was keeping Edward Norton instead of Mark Rufalo
How does this have anything to do with MCU Spiderman?
wrong character
Dead!? Oh snap I thought you cobained yourself and slit a new breathing hole in your esophagus? Also didn't know you were a nerd like that? I thought you just like playing with decomposing animals and burying your clothes?
@@mistergordonfreeman Nice name
Homecoming is one of my favorite MCU movies for a few reasons. Peter in this one is an actual friendly neighborhood spider-man, helping old ladies with directions, stopping bike thieves, and the villain is a down on his luck construction worker dealt a shitty hand who just wants the best for his family. Peter also saves the day with his homemade suit and not the Tony suit. Far from home and no way home lean way too much into the typical MCU spectacle where as homecoming is more grounded and realistic. Granted it’s not a perfect movie, I don’t like how much iron man influences the story in a spider-man movie.
Same , even though it’s not perfect I will defend homecoming with my life lol Peter In that movie is young and naive but he never comes off like an idiot he just comes off like he’s in way too over his head but it works because by the end he’s humbled
First Peter isn’t IronMan in Far From Home this video is obviously so pointless asf lol, also he never used any tech against his villains, he used his smartness and techniques against Mysterio and even in No Way Home he took on Otto and the rest of the villains.
The Vulture sucked and the movie too but the third act with Peter having to rely on nothing but himself was good enough
NWH kinda show he is gonna be more a street level in the future
I mean, other Spider-man saved the city with their own suits, but I guess it's part of the development
The big difference between mcu and other versions in terms of jokes (comics included) is that all the other Spider-Men joke at someone else's expense. They joke in-universe to annoy/tease someone. The mcu version doesn't really joke he gets himself into funny situations often being the butt of the jokes with no self-reflection. These jokes are made for the audience and not the characters.
The self parodic "looks how dumb everything is" is one of the worst parts of the mcu and it has only gotten worse.
yea marvel really turned the lets make a joke out a character from like 6 to 2000. sad to see thor and hulk get ruined by them
The problem with the MCU is that everybody quips and there are precious few straight men to be found.
@@aqua6166 well I mean those ones are when they changed a character correctly because if I was honest Thor previously to me was a legit soulless one dimensional character. Ragnarok did him best where he was a little goofy but still portrayed his serious unless u mentioning love and thunder then I agree.
Hulk I 100% agree with
No lol spider man explained in the comics he jokes to cover his insecurities
Thanks man but I think you missed the biggest issue uncle ben toms spider man left out uncle ben and pretended that he never existed when there is no spider man without uncle ben
Exactly that’s one of my biggest complaints like they don’t even mention him also why make him very young if you’re not doing the uncle Ben story
@@endernite5215 Yeah, out of all the characters in the mcu I thought toms spider man would exceed his past counter parts considering how good the past movies were but they made him iron man's sidekick and did some unoriginal race bending of MJ and replaced harry with ned leeds theres alot of things they did wrong
@@josiahfinks8098 honestly I'm fine with Ned and MJ. I just don't like how MCU MJ romantic relationships with Peter, as nerd friends they work fine but there's something unnatural about their romance.
Like I'm aware that Mary Jane in the Tobi movies is a manipulating b%tch. But at least you get a scene on why Peter was attracted to her. But with the MCU it felt like a vague teenage crush.
Spider-man has always been a very independent character. He’s never had to, or wanted to rely on Stark or the Avengers. Hell, alot of the time he would kinda dislike them for how they handled things. Comics Peter was a loner when he was in that suit, but this one is the exact opposite. When you make a depressed introvert an energetic extrovert, you’re adapting your material wrong
They mcued spiderman, drenched him with stakeless plot holes and poor acting
@ANTARIKSH CHOUDHURY the ultimate line of marvel comics was horrid trash. Wolverine was a pedo, scarlet witch and quicksilver were banging each other, and the way that universe ended was catastrophic, i could go on for days. Mj was horrible in the mcu, Zendaya plays the same girl in every role, she is basically rue from euphoria without the drug addiction, the same “quirky and unique” personality.
You are appealing to the comics instead of paying attention to the interpretations writing. This is the issue everyone has and it’s idiotic. Most of the comics suck. Hot take, but it’s true
@@bperez003 what plot holes because you can’t find any
@ANTARIKSH CHOUDHURY that’s just wrong. There’s not much else I can say to that
The problem with MCU Peter Parker is that we barely ever see him as *just* Spider-Man. His best showing was in Civil War where we see RUclips clips of him on patrol. After that, everything he does ties back to Tony Stark. When he isn't trying to impress or become Iron Dad, he is completely beholden to his technology.
I actually thought Tom Holland was fine. He's not my favorite, but I didn't think he was bad. A lot of these issues come down to subjective issues you take with the character. Your first one being that he's a kid? I mean, in the comics AND in the Toby McGuire movies he was a high school student starting out, ya know? Why can't he look and sound like one? (lord knows Toby didn't look much like he was in high school in the first movie) And as for the heroes talking down to him, well yes...because he's inexperienced and he's walking into a world he barely understands. That was the character arc for the hero: A young kid who dreams of being on par with the Avengers but is a rookie and needs to learn to not only handle his powers, but also learn what it means to be someone who can stand among giants. The David learning how to face Goliath. He makes mistakes. He makes poor choices. He has to suffer for them. But by No Way Home, he actually finishes his character story arc and comes into his own as a hero. The way you talk about it, I have to wonder...what if a teenage boy in high school DID get superpowers and wanted to be a superhero? Would you say he couldn't because he was too young and superhero work is an adult thing, only reserved for people over 21? You have to be old enough to drink to fight crime? XD
I completely agree
Facts
No, just no
So miles morals
well.. yeah this video is subjective.
Andrew Garfield is my favorite movie adaptation of Spider-Man.
I hope they bring him back.
Amazing Spider-Man is awesome.
Facts!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves the TASM movies and Andrew
@@plaguedoctor4519 nah they got popular during the hype of no way home and everyone pretended like they didn’t hate on them for years.
@@onesaucynougat7471 facts. It kinda annoys me. Not that I'm not happy people like Andrews Spidey now but honestly, TASM was a soft take on Ultimate Spider-Man, Tobey was moreso a take on Stan Lee's Spidey from the 60s, I knew that when I first saw The Amazing Spider-Man because Ultimate Spider-Man was the first comic I read. Granted many people don't read comics lol
@@plaguedoctor4519 If you think about it Andrew's Spidey is like a mix of Peter during the Ditko run and John Romita Sr/Gil Kane run of Spider-man comics
@@The_Blue_Otaku I actually haven't read both of their runs YET, but I do plan on snagging them for my collection and checking them out. It might be a mix of all 3, I do get vibes of Ultimate Spider-Man off Andrews Peter for sure, but other inspiration might have definitely came from Ditko and Romita Sr.
"spider theme iron man suit" - literally what the iron spider was in the comics
Guess what, he ditched it, it was a quick shake up to his look that was ditched, not his main look.
Bruh, It was a small arc that's not even known!
Yeah and guess what? The civil war arc in the comics isn’t really looked back on too fondly. It’s been 15+ years since that event and a lot of the complaints fans had are still relevant.
I disagree about aunt May I think her real problem is it she's nothing like aunt may at all mean I'm all for different interpretations but I'm also a big believer in character consistency.
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Spider-Man is nothing like Iron Man and the reason why the iron spider suit looks like an Iron Man suit is because in the comic book Iron Man gave Spider-Man the iron spider suit.
I can’t stand Holland as Spider-Man
@Erik Kemeey not trolling just my opinion don’t be mad lol
You sir, have no idea who Spider-Man is.
The genius behind the MCU, that no one appreciates, is that they were the first ones (in live action or cartoon) that showed how Spider-Man was in the first 28 issues of his comics. Aka the ditko high school era. Spider-Man doesn’t start as an inspiration in these comics, Spider-Man starts off as an unlucky frustrated little kid, who constantly tries to proof himself, and constantly fights an unfair world. It’s was also silly, entertaining, and very comic, because when Stan Lee started writing Spider-Man, he wrote his stories as a gag because he was so sick of the stuff he used to write all the years before he started the Marvel heroes. They were stories full of silliness, and cheesy situations, sprinkled with serious criminal drama. And that’s exactly how it is in the MCU.
For example, you'll see Spiderman making plenty of mistakes like in homecoming and far from home. You'll see peter arresting criminals before they do a robbery and they call the police and him just standing there like an idiot (homecoming vibe), you'll see him getting scammed and being played by mysterio (far frome home vibe), you'll see him having an adventure with Dr. Strange around the time of his graduation (No way Home vibe), you'll see him comparing himself to johnny storm and and the fantastic 4 (like he does with Tony and the avengers in the MCU), you'll see him doing naive things like trying to cash in a check without writing his name (homecoming vibe), there is no Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy in the ditko era (same as MCU), his life has completely changed at the end of no way home like it kinda did at the end of issue 28, Uncle Ben is barely mentioned (once or twice) in the first 30 issues (exactly like the home trilogy). There are no real consequences in the ditko era during high school (there are no real Consequences in homecoming and far from home), Peter is a happy go lucky kid who enjoys being Spiderman and sometimes thinks irresponsibly because he's just a teenager (unlike the raimi movies and just like the MCU). Peter's identity was in crisis in issue 12 (and it was in crisis in the home trilogy). The high school and friends interactions are heavily emphasized in the ditko comics (unlike the raimi and Webb movies and just like in the MCU).
The things the MCU made different from the comics have a very good reason to, like making Tony stark build him the suit (a story telling tool that shows the evolution of Peter Parker until he makes his own suit, highlighting the growth and maturity of the character) Aunt May has a way more satisfying arc in the MCU than she did in the comics (by making her younger and more important to Peter). Peter having EDITH (to emphasize Peter's terrible luck in no way home and to be used by mysterio to frame him just like in the comics).
So it’s sad that the most comic accurate Spider-Man we ever got is the most hated and the most underrated :(
@@omarmansour6766 there are a shit load of people that feel the same as me Holland is not my Spider-Man
@@omarmansour6766 Why are you in like every reply chain. Give it a rest with that annoying ass copy pasted paragraph. Good for Tom for being "comic accurate" but in the future I know that I never want a super by the books comic accurate Spiderman ever again if it's gonna be this insufferable to watch.
@@so_gushy If you think Stan Lee’s original characterization of the character is insufferable to watch, then you are as dumb as Stan Lee’s publisher back then who that Stan Lee’s ideas about Spider-Man are terrible.
You’re a bully.
What makes Spider-Man great is his evolution, look at how he started out in civil war and homecoming, and look at where his now.
That’s exactly how it was in Stan Lee’s original run. Like at how Spider-Man is in issues 1-4 and look at how he is in issue 34. Then look at how he is in issue 50. Tremendous character development. It’s as if he is a different person.
And the MCU emulated that perfectly with the wall crawler. Fans will ruin the Spider-Man character if they controlled him. Spider-Man is not for all people. Most people are dumb and bullies.
Spider-Man is for bully victims, Spider-Man is for people who constantly get misunderstood, Spider-Man is for people who might accidentally lose their nerves and then people exaggeratedly judges them. That’s how MCU Peter is like, a frustrated kid who life constantly shuts down, and screws things up more than he saves things, and is being judged negatively by everyone…from iron man himself to J Jonah Jameson to the public.
And fans say “he’s iron man jr” fans are so unbelievably dumb.
Tom Holland was the Disney channel version of Spider-Man. They literally had to bring back the OG Tobey Maguire to save tom’s shitty movie
Stan Lee created Spider-Man as an anti-thesis to other 15-year old super heroes.
Whereas they were always sidekicks to adult super heroes, Stan Lee made Spider-Man his own man who made his own costume and web-shooters.
Besides the occasional team up to boost sales, Spider-Man never needed mentors or sidekicks.
That is until the MCU decided to turn Peter Parker into a typical Gen Z kid who worships Steve Jobs and Elon Musk-like tech moguls and made him a pathetic Tony Stark fanboy ("Yes, Mr. Stark. No, Mr. Stark").
Tony basically tells Peter that if he wants to be a serious super hero, he NEEDS to upgrade to a Stark tech Spider-Man suit and web-shooters.
This is why i don't like Holland's Spider-Man; he is basically Iron Spider and too dependent on Tony Stark.
In defense of the "childish" spider symbol; this is actually how John Romita designed and drew the original Spider-Man costume and it has been drawn like that in both the comics and cartoons for decades.
It actually IS iconic, unlike the modern spider designs you praise so much.
Also, Peter Parker became Spider-Man when he was just 15, so Tom Holland is not too young, Maguire and Garfield are too old.
This is exactly my problem with people who only watch comic book movies and shows while never having read the actual comic books (as REAL fans would):
They always complain about things that are actually correct.
That's the best comment here. Dude's whole video is based on nostalgia, his obvious hatred towards Tom as an actor or a person or idk and he has ZERO comic book knowledge. The only argument that could be valid is the Tony Stark hardcore influence over those 3 movies. Thank god they fixed it at the end of NWH.. hopefully we will see some real Spidey next time.
True Peter Parker was only 15 but he was also very nerdy and almost a boy genius something I never got from Tom same with Maguire and Andrew I very much like them all for different reasons I also think it was a very bad idea to have Spiderman be a sidekick to Tony that was just lazy writing trying to make Tony the center of all mcu which I hated as well lol.
I think people forget that Spider-Man in the comic books idolized the Fantastic Four like MCU Spider-Man idolized Iron Man. Just like in the issue #3 of The Amazing Spider-Man Peter talked about how the Human Torcj wouldn't have failed against Doc Ock and then the Human Torch changes his perspective and tells him that he isn't so good as Peter thinks and he has his insecurities too; note that Far From Home mirrored this in the scene with the talk Happy gave to Peter
I highly recommend this video that gets deeper about how good this trilogy adaptates the highschool era of Spider-Man in the comics
@@oa-san53 But the thing is Peter didn't idolize the Fantastic 4 or the Avengers in the Mcu he Idolized Tony Stark and Ironman helping him out almost every single time did help things.
comments like this show how ignorant people are. Did you even watch the movie?
I think Tom Holland is the worst Spider-Man without a doubt. I hate him!
Agreed
Insufferable 😂
😂😂
Why?
Fr. I hope he gets killed off in Secret Wars.
Wait did you seriously shit on the Spider Logos of the suit and non-raised webs when they're straight from the comics?
Are you fucking kidding me? Spider-Man's movie costumes have honestly ruined peoples thoughts on how Spidey should look. His costume should look simple and cheaply made in no universe would it be realistic that money struggling Pete would be able to make the Toby or Andrew suits.
Kinda feel like this guy doesn't really like the comic book spidey. I feel him on tom feeling like he's never going to grow into the adult spider-man of the 70s onward but bruh the fact that he hated on the first suit lets me know he's only a movie fan and wants every adaptation to be like the last. I personally wanted holland's spidey to be like the ultimate comics with the death scene but no he was uplifted by tony and didn't have any villains of his own really, honestly this guy's completely off base.
You realize that all of Tom’s suits are neither cheap nor simple because he didn’t even make them… right?
@@yooooo8600 yeah, he didn't make any of them except for his home-made costume.
@Manopla Holland's suits don't look cheap at all, this dude unfairly called them cheap looking for not ripping off the Raimi or TASM suits.
I think a perfect Spider-Suit would look like something a skilled Cosplayer would make and would take heavily from the comics instead of movie suits. Hollands suit is eh I'm not big on it but I hate that people shit on it for trying to be comic accurate instead of just ripping off the last five movies.
@@MrPikaGammer it's funny because spidey's suit has only looked cheap the first movie(wrestler) and the vigilante suit from tasm. Holland's hoodie suit had movie eye lenses so that knocks that one out just looks super hot.
I'm glad you point out that the MCU flash Thompson is just a pipsqueak. Flash NEEDS to be a big jock. The whole reason he's even called Flash in comics is cause in high school he played for the football team and was "the fastest player. So fast, he'd be at the other end of the field in a flash when he had the ball". MCU Flash doesn't look like he could even lift a football without ripping a fat one in his pants
This is an perfect example of a video of not a Spider-Man fan but a spider man movie fan , Peter Parker literally stated being Spider-Man at 15 , yet Tom holland looks too young to ply him ? lol
honestly the only badass thing he did is blocking winter soldiers punch with his single arm. thats it. other than that he just being spider-teen
I agree with a lot of the things you had to say in the video about Tobey and Andrew, and I totally agree that they made Tom spider-man an ironman mini. HOWEVER, No Way Home did kind of go over a lot of things you didn't like, aunt may not having an emotional impact, or peter having too much high-tech stuff making him a mini ironman. peter is forgotten, which means it's no longer possible for him to wear his iron spider suit as no technology remembers him anymore. Now he has to start from the beginning in a shitty apartment and sew his own suits again and become the crime-fighting, wise-cracking, now older more experienced legend we all know him to be rather than relying on tony stark. He basically gets a new start and we'll get to see him as we see the other spider-men now that no one knows spider-man is a kid.
NWH fix everything about what did not work with his spider-man, and show a really mature Peter in the end.
Thing about Aunt May tho, her death just didn't hit. Because we really had no precursor to show their previous relationship, I just didn't feel like a part of Peter died when Aunt May did, in that movie.
@@ethanlee8307 true, her death was sad, but it didn’t feel detrimentally sad. I agree if they had done more bonding or important things together more than just “sexualizing” her every movie, it would have been much more impactful.
Wells he’s really not a kid now so bring on the adult Spider-Man 🔥🔥🔥
Nothing will ever replace tobey's spiderman version ❤️
Zip his pants up when your finished
To be honest, I didn't really like Tobey is Spider-Man it just felt too bland. The only thing carrying was Green Goblin and J.Jonah Jameson
@@emmanuelojurongbe2469Shut Up Clown 🤡, Tobey Maguire Spiderman is just way more Relatable than the Comics Version even I am both Marvel and DC Comics fan I must admit that
tobey is good but the lack of funny side on his character is unfortunate. andrew is better in my opinion
I disagree pretty heavily with most of your points. He's supposed to be a child, he has acted the hell out of most of his emotional scenes and Tony being a mentor gave Tony more compassion as a character and gave Peter more adversity when he couldn't lean on Tony. I think Andrew was/is the best Peter/Spidey we've had, but I think that just comes from Tom lacking the charisma of Andrew. Nothing about his age , suit or attitude.
Yeah a lot of his points just made no sense, like he was complaining that the iron-spider suit is just a spidey themed iron man suit, even though that’s exactly what it’s meant to be.
@@Tranquility._ Agreed, my only gripe with the Tom Holland costumes is that they look too smooth/CGI, but design-wise I think for the most part they look fantastic
Although I do like Tom’s movies, I thinly that they exaggerate on the kid behaviour to a point it is super unrealistic.
@@RodrigoSilva-cy4no I personally h think he’s acted exactly as a high school student would act in those situations but I understand where you’re coming from. Hopefully the older he gets, the more mature his character will act
@@rustybuoy disney schill
Thank god someone had to say it because the new spiderman movies were trash
how
Because all his villains were due to tony or previous spider man series
@@jacobfilasky2729 so are most of the avengers villains
@@ForeverDakota1 exactly. That’s why they’re all side characters to Tony
@@jacobfilasky2729 and that’s spiderman fault like can’t control that? Vulture motivations has nothing to do with tony stark, mysterio was mad at tony but his plan was for the world to know him
I’m in the same boat as you. They should have just had him play a version of Spider-Man the age of the actor . He just was legit street level under the radar. Sad how much they sonned him in MCU and made the original final suits being all thanks to tony stark
Tom hollands spiderman is a sidekick at best.
aka Iron Boy
Whether or not No Way Home was put into the script. The same criticisms still apply
Andrew Garfield is the best Spider-Man
Tom Holland has family in high places somewhere. I refuse to believe nepotism isn’t involved in this child playing Nathan Drake. I refuse to watch
You do realize that Peter Parker became Spider-Man at the age of 15 right…
And he’s pushing 35 in the comics lmao we all know his origin story him being in high school is getting repetitive after 5 movies
@@Chloesnomore him being in highschool is generally new in terms of movies. Tobey graduated in like the first 30 minutes of the 1st film. And Andrew graduated in the 2nd. To say it was repetitive is just blatantly wrong lol
@@Chloesnomore Lmao 😂 wtf you smoking
While I do agree.. he gave his reasons for why his age is odd..
1) in a world where he is the youngest hero. Making him the one to look down on
2) bc he's looked down on.. it kinda ruin the Spidermam view from our side of the world. Spiderman is king of MC. So seeing this kid, whose in the shadows of other heroes.. is kinda a disservice to the character. He's supposed to have something the rest of the mcu characters don't.
A well rough relatable, super altruistic Life. Standards like captain America but more influential in New York.
@@xpflowexclusive4313 I would kinda agree with his points if Ultimate spider-man would not exist, this is the prime example that Peter living in a World of héroes already grow up works, he is not doing that to look cool or to get a long with the other héroes he is spider-man because is the right thing to do.
The first superhero movie I ever saw was Tobey Maguires Spider-Man 1 and he’s my favourite spider-man since he sticks with canon and an amazing actor and the story for spider-man was the best in my opinion and Andrew Garfield in my opinion is the second best for the sticking with comics like Tobey’s movies
While i agree with alot of his points, this video still seems to be heavily nostalgic based. The whole video, hes complaining about how peter is this and that while yes, its true, but he's not meant to be like the other 2. which is basically what he wants tom's spider man to be. He wants him to be generic and basic and almost a copy of the other two. And im pretty sure they're whole thing to make peter stupid on purpose is the whole point. Given how we have the multiverse, this is the universe in which peter is just plain dumb. They wanted him to be different from the other spider men and not be copy and pasted with a few minor changes. And that's what i like about this spider man. Although i do like Andrew's better, i wouldn't go as far as to call Tom's spider man awful and shit. But that's just my take. Whoever sees this, feel free to agree or disagree.
He's not even dumb he's just a naive kid, everyone seems to be forgetting he's probably not even 18 yet
The problem is he isn’t different. He’s like a copypasta of the last Spider-Man but somewhere alonn the way they took out a lot of his core and got him only on his suit and supporting characters. He’s really bland and generic and if you put him in a random hero costume and say all the same things and do the same things he does, you can’t really say hey that’s Spider-Man
@@geckoniner5625 in what way is he not different though?
@@Lustindasauce he’s really dumb, trust me, I was younger than him when civil war came out, and I can guarantee I wouldn’t do HALF the dumb stuff he does.
the issue is that he kinda is a copy and paste but not of peter parker he is damn near what miles morales originally was before he got any character development. constantly looking up to other characters and being looked down on by others they turned ned into ganke and little to no character motivation until much later on. he is just a early white miles morales 😂 (funnily enough people complained miles was the opposite before he became a real character)
I think the best moment in his films, is his acceptance of being Spiderman and letting his old life disappear, unfortunately this might be the last appearance so...
Bro Tom holland doesn’t look too young to play Spider-Man Tobey and Andrew just looked too old and we got used to it
They still portrayed the character better than Tom Holland did even though it was mainly the writer’s fault for downplaying Spider-man
@@gabrieltejada1697facts man tell him
This is just honestly why I couldn’t really like Tom’s spider man, it’s nothing against Tom at all, but it’s just his writing, Peter is supposed to be intelligent and yet he never designed his first suit until the end of no way home, it made me wish Tony guided Peter instead of just giving him a suit, because he doesn’t have Uncle Ben anymore so Tony could fill that role, making it more impactful when Tony passed in endgame, it didn’t even feel like a mentor apprentice relationship, it just felt like Tony handed Peter everything on a silver platter
No way home was garbage! Since when did Ned need so much involvement!?
Tom is just iron man jr. He isn’t that smart since he attributes to his own problems in this trilogy.
he's smart, the writers just did him dirty
MCU Peter is smart and capable on his own and after No Way Home all of his connections to others have been erased so he'll be on his own from now on, which seems to be what the ones who hate the MCU version want.
I don't like his spider-man too but the thing about the logo on the back of the suit is most comic accurate. also peter parker is kid in comics it was just sam raimi thing to graduate him so tobey maguire wouldn't look too old for highschool
Did this mfer even watch nwh 😂
Tobey maguire > andrew garfield > tom holland
People hate on him too much and treat Tobey Maguires Spider-Man like an idol, I love Tom's Spider-Man because he's the most relatable at least in some ways, plus he's just as selfless as the others. He's a little careless at times but he ain't perfect. So Toms is my favorite and I love Tobey's and Andrews also
For me it would be Tom actually plays the best Peter awkward but not too awkward, youthful also and smart like Peter and Andrews is the perfect Spider-Man, he got that perfect talkative, doing what's right Spider-Man behavior. Tobey plays the best mentor, like he's not the most comic accurate but he plays Spider-Man in his own unique way
Spoiled brat alert
Ok kiddo u have to understand how Marvel messed his character up
Tony Stark never forgot to put a juice box in my lunch before I went to school & tuck me in bed before I went to sleep when I was a kid, Tom Holland is by far the most relatable spiderman.
@@exitoemprendedor3094 Have u even watched the Raimi Trilogy or the Webb Duology
I can’t stand marvels Spider Man…. Tom Holland is NOT Peter Parker
I feel the same way about him looking way too young, I didn't notice it at first until I noticed what they did to Peter's face in the Miles Morales game where in the first one, he looked normal, but now he looks like a Ken Barbie doll, it's super off putting and now it's hard to look at his face whenever I see him in the MCU
Exactly, what were they thinking
@Erik Kemeey read some comics before you pass judgement
@Erik Kemeey y’all say this all the time but have never actually picked up a spidey comic
I wish they brought Garfield in instead honestly
By the end of the video your saying Tom Holland's spiderman suit is the most comic accurate.
I disagree. Because despite Toby's and Andrew's suits looking like they're made of cool fabrics and their logos have a cool sharp design, those versions are more closer to classic spiderman than Tom Holland's. Sure Tom makes a new suit by the end of No Way Home that's a complete nod to the comics but it doesn't impress me with its visuals.
Even PS1 games had Spiderman looking cool. Granted the first game missed the web lines. But the second showed how much better Spidey was becoming.
His newest suit at the end of no way home is probably the most comic accurate suit after Andrews tasm2 suit, that's just my opinion tho
@@JayX2099YT Spoilers: In the behind the scenes for the movie they confirm its a reference to one of Peter's earliest suits in the comics. Not that it looks to good as we see it for only a few seconds in the end of the film.
@@Nightbanekaizer yea I Know
Mad respect my guy, hit the nail on the f'n head man. Loved the video, excellent points, and even though I don't dislike Tom quite as much as you do he is definitely my least favorite Spider-Man. Great work and way to have the stones to put out this video considering Tom's popularity.
"Who says a kid can't play Spider-Man".
Uhhhh... Nobody. Because Spider-Man is a teen in the comics. Maguire and Garfields versions of Spider-Man weren't good because they were played by adults when the role is for teens.
Spider-man isn't a teen in the comics 💀 he was out of high school around the 16th issue of Spider-man comics
For the logest time he was literally married
Lol what? he's barely ever a teen. All his exciting stories and side characters like jjj are when he's an adult, and marriage with mj are as an adult. I have tons of Spiderman comics from when I was a kid, he's an adult.
I think the lack of chemistry with Spider-Man and Michelle, despite the character’s actors being together in real life with cuteass chemistry, is the result of halfassed writing or simply their focus was somewhere else :/
I think they have a ton of chemistry. More than Peter and mj ever did in the rami movies.
@@itzcon8514 no they don’t and despite the problems the rami version had at times they were at least consistent instead of just random like the MCU version where the sudden change just happens in the very next movie with zero build up.
@@gabrieltejada1697 there was zero build up in the rami movies as well. It felt like I was watching old ppl fucking while Tobey and kirstin were on screen with eachother. I do think their chemistry is way better in no way home then far from home but atleast they improved on it. Instead of keeping it shitty
They're probably not even dating, disney just making them do it for publicity cuz the movies need any help they can get getting people in the theater
Sam rami's aunt may litterally is half the reason that peter was able to convince doc ock to see the error of his ways. Without her in the second movie there would be no return of spiderman and doc ock wouldve won because he was the one that knew how to defeat the self sustaining fusion. How the hell is the mcu aunt may in anyway better than that.
Tom’s Spider-Man didn’t suffer and struggle enough for my taste; he got so many things handed to him
who's ur fav spiderman???
@@jxyadoodles160 Josh Keaton's
That magic scene with thanos was hilarious
Tom Holland has never been my favorite spiderman in fact before no way home he was my least favorite out of three and it boiled down to two thing Tom's Peter didn't feel like spiderman to me, and when is he going to have his own villains. After No way home Tom's spiderman and Peter Parker has grown on me and I like him a lot more even though I still have the same frustration with the character and how it's written
You hate him because he sounds like and looks young. He is learning how to be a super hero. So its why you lean on others. Adjustable eyes is perfect for how that power would affect. Your senses.
I tried this video… but all your arguments have little substance and are all subjective. Annoying, childish.
If you were a child during all the spidermen i get your love for them. Tobe’s movies and his peter parker completely sucked even though he still is the best spiderman to me. Tobe was the best Peter.
But Tom is the best of the both. Even though he is playing a high school kid. Anyone who thinks peter and MJ from Rami was iconic needs to go watch that relationship again. There was actually very little there when it comes to Dunst.
Yea he just hating
You sir, have no idea who Spider-Man is.
The genius behind the MCU, that no one appreciates, is that they were the first ones (in live action or cartoon) that showed how Spider-Man was in the first 28 issues of his comics. Aka the ditko high school era. Spider-Man doesn’t start as an inspiration in these comics, Spider-Man starts off as an unlucky frustrated little kid, who constantly tries to proof himself, and constantly fights an unfair world. It’s was also silly, entertaining, and very comic, because when Stan Lee started writing Spider-Man, he wrote his stories as a gag because he was so sick of the stuff he used to write all the years before he started the Marvel heroes. They were stories full of silliness, and cheesy situations, sprinkled with serious criminal drama. And that’s exactly how it is in the MCU.
For example, you'll see Spiderman making plenty of mistakes like in homecoming and far from home. You'll see peter arresting criminals before they do a robbery and they call the police and him just standing there like an idiot (homecoming vibe), you'll see him getting scammed and being played by mysterio (far frome home vibe), you'll see him having an adventure with Dr. Strange around the time of his graduation (No way Home vibe), you'll see him comparing himself to johnny storm and and the fantastic 4 (like he does with Tony and the avengers in the MCU), you'll see him doing naive things like trying to cash in a check without writing his name (homecoming vibe), there is no Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy in the ditko era (same as MCU), his life has completely changed at the end of no way home like it kinda did at the end of issue 28, Uncle Ben is barely mentioned (once or twice) in the first 30 issues (exactly like the home trilogy). There are no real consequences in the ditko era during high school (there are no real Consequences in homecoming and far from home), Peter is a happy go lucky kid who enjoys being Spiderman and sometimes thinks irresponsibly because he's just a teenager (unlike the raimi movies and just like the MCU). Peter's identity was in crisis in issue 12 (and it was in crisis in the home trilogy). The high school and friends interactions are heavily emphasized in the ditko comics (unlike the raimi and Webb movies and just like in the MCU).
The things the MCU made different from the comics have a very good reason to, like making Tony stark build him the suit (a story telling tool that shows the evolution of Peter Parker until he makes his own suit, highlighting the growth and maturity of the character) Aunt May has a way more satisfying arc in the MCU than she did in the comics (by making her younger and more important to Peter). Peter having EDITH (to emphasize Peter's terrible luck in no way home and to be used by mysterio to frame him just like in the comics).
So it’s sad that the most comic accurate Spider-Man we ever got is the most hated and the most underrated :(
agreed 100%, the MCU perfectly portrayed Peter in high school and most people have seemed to forget how Spider-Man started out, part of his character in the Ditko era and the MCU is that he has made mistakes and has to learn to live with the consequences of said mistakes, moreso than Tobey or Andrew imo, and that's what makes his Spider-Man perfect, especially after No Way Home
@@srikarn1772 exactly. The most relatable aspect of Peter Parker is his growth and change, like all of us!
Bruh stfu, “you sir don’t understand Spider-Man”
The movies are terrible with Holland. And it goes beyond his “comic accurate” portrayal. The writing for theses movies are fucking horrendous and has more holes in the plot than a block of cheese. There’s more leaps in logic in the films than there are actually moments that build upon the Characters.
So because I don’t like this version of Spider-Man, I “don’t get the character”
Even though I saw Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man back in 2002 opening night as a 4 year old, watched reruns of The Animated Series, read majority of Ultimate Spider-Man, read a lot of the 616 comics, saw Spider-Man 2 opening night as a 6 year old with my mom, watched all of Spectacular Spider-Man, wrote and drew my own Spidey comics as a kid….I guess I don’t understand the character because I didn’t accept a version of the character that is fundamentally flawed from the get-go.
Get a grip dude. The hate for MCU Spideyis justified in several areas.
Also at what point Is Aunt May important in these films besides “OH MY GOD, she’s so HAWT 🥵” and having people simp for her.
Aunt May had one scene where she acted motherly in Homecoming and they expect us to be torn up when she finally dies?? Foh
@@wesstewart2677 it tore me up when she died.
1. Spider-Man was always treated as lesser or as a kid by other superheroes in the comics.
2. The adjustable eyes are accurate to the conics due to how Spider-Man's eyes on the mask would always emote.
3. You expect a middle aged man to play as a kid? Or do you just want Spider-Man to be a grown ass man?
4. In the early comics, Spider-Man's colors are red and black, not red and blue. The REAL classic suit uses a black color scheme with blue lighting.
No. That is exactly what stan lee did not want teenae superheroes to be. Sidekicks
too goddamn young
Stan Lee said "I can't believe it. It's as if we created a living being to be Spider-Man, and it turned out to be Tom."
Tom's Peter as opposed to Tobey or Andrew who were 17 to 20 during their movies.
Tom is just 14 years old during Civil War.
and is just 17 during No Way Home ending.
He looks like a boy of that age of that age.
Unlike Tobey and his class who were all guys in their late 30s playing "17 year olds", they literally all seemed to be the same age as their teacher.
Tom and his class do look like young people between 14 and 17 years old, it is assumed that Spidey in his original comics was 15 years old when the spider bit him.
Furthermore, the fact that the other heroes who are clearly older adults are reproaching a CHILD for things is nothing strange, even when it comes to Spider-Man.
Spider-Man is not the mdf Batman, a serious man who leads the heroes.
He's just a random guy like you and me and especially in this version, he's just a guy under 18 in a world with heroes who are in their 30s and 40s, it's common sense.
Obviously when Peter grows up and is an adult he will stop being seen as a child and will be an equal to other heroes of his generation, literally this is what happens in the comics where he has had his problems with Ironman.
We literally see a bit of this in NWH, we see Peter oppose Strange and confront him, in a fight of ideals in which Peter wins.
Also, what kind of hypocritical argument is that? With that rule of 3, what the hell is the Raimiverse doing treating Peter Parker/Spider-Man, one of Marvel comics' greatest heroes, like an idiot? A fool who gets everything right wrong, he is unfaithful to his girlfriend and then they are unfaithful to him? a common loser?
Where is the brilliant mind of Marvel and the Hero he should be?
You never saw the movies, "in these movies they treat him like an Ironman apprentice."
WTF?In Civil War Peter literally refuses to help Stark at all times, it is not until Tony messes with his aunt and tells him that he will tell him his secret that Peter decides to help him, he does not decide to go help him because "oh my god "If Stark I'm going to be like him," he does it for May.
Of course, like any boy his age, he gets excited about the trip and the experience.
In Homecoming Peter literally rejects Ironman and the Avengers to be his own hero, to be Spider-Man, not Ironman Jr.
In Far From Home, after pressure from people, he feels that everyone places him as "the new Ironman", which confuses and stresses him because he doesn't know if that could be it.
In the end Happy makes him remember the facts, he is not and will not be like Ironman, he must be Spider-Man, Peter reacts and makes a new suit.
And in NWH there is literally no Stark influence whatsoever.
Now, the suit, the design of the suit is really subjective.
To be fair, Tom's is the one most attached to the comics, the web is supposed to be from the design of the suit, not a metal web that surrounds and protrudes from the entire suit like Raimi and Webb did.
The difference in why everything goes wrong for Tom and not for the other 2.
It's because he's only 14/15 years old.
Tobey was 19 in his second film and Andrew was almost 20 years old.
You cannot compare the effectiveness of a young man who is almost 20 years old with that of a child who is just entering puberty.
He was Spider-Man at the age of 15
very good explaination. The Real Spiderman is Tobey and Andrew.
Just Andrew actually
@@tgwaupz953 actually Tobey magurie he been playing spiderman before all of them cmon now original is always the best he is the best and Andrew is pretty good to
@@Drexzzz4 i agree but Nicholas Hammond is the first Spiderman on TV ever in 1977. It may be different, and it may not be a movie, but he is still the first to ever portray a live action adaptation of spiderman while Tobey was still a toddler.
the only thing good about Tom Holland is that he is accurately young just like in the comics while Tobey was 26 and Andrew 27 when they both played spiderman 10 years apart. Spiderman was still a kid when he gained his powers and he didn't graduated this fast. That's the only good point about Tom.
@@SeyaDiakite7 yep you speaking facts but I don't like when they put Tobey down like he was not the original spiderman just like nikias like he was
Give Respect to fucking tom Holland bro he's the new Spiderman and he's the youngest out of the three i hope the next spiderman guy is worse than tom Holland, i heard the avengers are getting a fucking reboot
Obviously a cinematic fan of Spider-Man who has no knowledge of comic book Spider-Man and that's cool. Not everyone has to have knowledge of the comic book lore of Spider-Man and you're entitled to your opinion
Yea so make a lord of the ring movie without any knowledge of Tolkien books it’s gonna be a great thing I’m sure
@@GoulaLegamer Oh, I didn't realize that the guy who made this video was going to be making the next Spider-Man film. In that case, you're correct. I thought he was just a fan giving his opinion on what he personally felt was wrong with the Holland version of Spider-Man
Nope Tobey is the worst Spider-Man ever.
MCU fanboys claim we hate a young and youthful Spider-Man.
Those air heads never saw the problem.
I like a youthful, young Spider-Man, Heck it's the only reason I got excited for him before Civil War came out. Thought we would get a nice adaption of Ultimate Spider-Man.
The problem is the world around him. Daddy Stark, the terribly inaccurate side characters, the abandoning of his origin story and Uncle Ben. It just sucks ass. And they all do this because "it's more realistic for the MCU" fuck no it isn't. It's just to squeeze him into the MCU to the MCU's modern standards.
The right way to have gone with the character would of gone like this;
(Sidenote; he never appeared in Civil War. This predates that movie, and his side characters are completely different. Ned doesn't have the same role, and Aunt May isn't like the MCU version)
Spider-Man Homecoming Re-write.
- Peter Parker, months after the death of Uncle Ben, is only now starting to truly get better, if onlt a little bit. Months of fighting criminals as Spider-Man in his homemade suit, he has started to get the hang of it a bit, but in the grand scheme of things, his help goes unnoticed in the eyes of New York due to the large population of Superheroes, namely the Avengers fighting world ending threats. But a new threat arrives in the form of Vulture, a sly and bitter individual using his tech to make his way in the world, by threatening anyone and every who treated him and his family badly. Peter ever so eager to prove his worth, seeks to beat his first supervillain, but gets a head of himself when he not only gets clumsy as Spider-Man in his eagerness, but forgets about his life as Peter with Aunt May, his only living relative and mother figure(Though he hasn't said this yet) and absent in his school life as well.
Through all this, he leans to noe focus on his pride as a standout hero, but by following his Uncle's words. With a new mindset, he finally stops the Vulture the RIGHT way, without caring about standing out, and return home, to focus, listen and get involved in his life; to Aunt May, and as Peter Parker as a whole.
This makes so much more sense because it does three things;
1: It still puts him in a superhero infested world
2: it starts him off in his very youthful and careless stage
3: Despite all this, it's about him learning to be more responsible in a much more Peted Parker way, on his own terms without other heroes, NO TONY STARK SITUATION.
(It doesn't HAVE TO be exactly like this, but I find this kind of route to be much more inline with the character while still existing in the MCU.)
I have rewrites for the rest of the trilogy and his roles in his other appearances.
Peter played a massive role in Civil War, he joined Tony's side, revealed his identity which almost got MJ and Aunt May killed leading to Peter joining Caps side and becoming a fugitive.
@@MrPikaGammer Uh you DO know I CLEARLY referred to the Civil War MOVIE right?
RIGHT?
@@MrPikaGammer I am well aware of the COMIC Civil War.
And I wanted the movie to be like that, but because of the way the movie went, there is only so much I can change within the MCU regarding Spidey.
We would have to completely change the MCU as a whole to make the movie more like the comic.
Stark isn't an issue though. The side characters are fine and they are accurate enough. They didn't abandon anything. It's not all bad. Not true...they do it to make things more interesting.
There is no "right way" there are many ways to make the character work well including how he was written in the MCU.
All of that is in the MCU including 3 for the most part.
Thank god, I'm not the only one who thinks this.
To be fair Spider-Man was 15 when he started out. It makes sense that Tom was a kid. I found it refreshing that a 30 year old man was not playing a kid in high school. Also, I think if it were done correctly it could really show how in over his head Peter really is. Look at the ultimate comics for examples. I agree with all your other points. Tobey will always be my spiderman.
I have nothing against Holland but the writers arghhhhhhh😒... My only question to these writers is you showed peter trusting Mysterio and in the end it turned out it was the biggest mistake of his life so the lesson he should take from far from home's events is do no trust a stranger blindly whom you just met few days ago and introduce him to a powerful technology which you don't even understand. But but but in no way home writers took it even further and made peter not only look stupid but also selfish cry baby. This time he is not only trusting one stranger but 4 more and when things go out of the fukin window he starts to blame other spiders. Just groww up guys at least think twice before you finalize the story. MCUs Peter should know better about the threat and the consequences of bad choices. Also doctor strange so dumb in NWH but he still tries to undo the mistakes they both made but this peter wants strange to have heart...wth ssly mannn? Just go to college for which you risked the whole multiverse..for smart kid peter is such a pain in the assss
That trusting thing made since, Spider-man was going to send them back, but aunt May talked him out of it... Pls get your fax Right before trashing someone for no good reason. Thx buddy!
@@lightning6314 You took the words right out of my mouth!
@@lightning6314 what was wrong in my opinion 🤷🤷now asking for a sensible movie is a crime 🤷🤷m not satisfied with the writers henceforth my opinion what is trash in that buddy. May talked him out of it ...but peter should know better about trusting random guys ..that is what m saying the writing doesn't make any sense
@@babayaga9805 No one Said opinions were crimes, I just respect the ones that actually puts up good points...
As a spider-man fan you should know that Peter's weakness is May, so you should expect Peter to think rash and blind when It comes to her. I agree that Peter is not the smartest person in the universe, and that spell him and DS botched proved it, but with the aunt May thing, U would at least expect him to listen to his only family member alive(at the time).
I agree with the bad writing, but with the Aunt May part, I would expect u to understand Spider-man and Aunt May, even the 616 Spider-man made some stupid mistakes for May like that MJ and Peter forgetting each other as spouses thing.
Sounds too young? Bruh I didn’t even finish the video that was so dumb. Enjoy this view guy who’s still stuck in 2002.
You need more subs
@Erik Kemeey what?
@Erik Kemeey shut up. Hes right, what is wrong with you? "Aww did tom holland hurt you?" Why would you say that? All I said was "you need more subs" because his video was very well made. But then you say that. Why?
11:26 Should've been Tom Holland's Spiderman is f*cking annoying as hell
15:57 I think this can be explained by time. Bullies aren’t stereotypical big hulking foot ball players anymore. There were a lot of bullies in my school that looked kinda goofy. It’s not about your physical appearance but the confidence you emit.
But Flash thompson wasn't the goofy small version of a bully. THe character was celarly defined. Let the character remain the chracters.....that waht made them good in the first place. The line of thinking that you can just change and replace characters on a whim is why modern entertainment sucks. Flash is supposed to be intimidating. The kid in the movies is just annoying...little more than a troll. It changes the whole dynamic and frankly makes the story less engaging.
ok but flash thompson wanst a stereotypical big hulking foot ball player, he was a character who started like that and evolved and redemeed himself to the point he went to war and became friends with peter, rewriting his character to be more relatable to todays bullies is stupid as he already is a defined character
@@panhoca7838 making it so being a bully in current times makes it dumb because his character was already defined? What? If his character was already defined then the purpose of the character should be that, not how he looks or that he isn’t shoving Peter in lockers and dumping his face in his own food. That just makes him more relatable for the people currently in school experiencing these types of bullies, he can still become a friend of Peter even if he isn’t a hulking jock
@@invert8505 but that isnt who flash is and what he does, sure he still bullies peter but he is a totally different character, its the same if we made batman a cop instead of a superhero because its more relatable, flash thompson was always made to be dumb and strong to paralel peter because peter is smart and weak, making flash thompson's bullying really soft and making him weak defeats the whole idea of both's character relationship and history
17:25 MJ cheated on someone every movie, idk what ur on but I want what ur having
"He just flies" he had the web wings in the Comics. what the hell?
@Manopla yeah but who cares if anything it's only been anaesthetic in the comic book makes it worse at least there's a purpose for them in the film.
Yes, but does that still detract from what he said? His main point was this versions web swinging scenes was lacking. Whether he had web wings or not in the comics is irrelevant. His main point was that the web swinging scenes were not on par with previous movies
Blame the writers
The problem is with this Spider-Man the MCU Spider-Man is really he's not Peter Parker he is literally Miles Morales. They decided to replace Miles with Peter Parker all of the friends and the diversity the young naivety of Spider-Man that is the Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man version of Peter Parker. If they wanted to bring Spider-Man in and if they were going to go young they should have just brought in Miles because if it was me I would have brought Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man it would have made more logical sense to anything instead of kicking Andrew Garfield to the curb because of studio interference and mandate that Sony had.
MCU could have easily just brought in Andrew Garfield after that since they really rushed civil War to film after getting news of DC doing BVS it because I was down here in Georgia and they literally rushed him into the movie because the script was already finished but in the movie was halfway finished but they were fighting with Sony to try to get him into the movie.
So they could have easily just got Andrew Garfield in there and called it a day and just pick up from where Andrew Garfield Spider-Man left off at so it would give a reason why he would probably choose to be on Iron Man's team instead of getting Tom Holland and then if you wanted to have a young Spider-Man and still have Andrew Garfield Spider-Man you could have easily just brought in Miles Morales instead but I do agree he is the worst Spider-Man ever!
And it's kind of funny because my mom was disappointed too and she's not a fan of Spider-Man but she knows Spider-Man you know what I mean and even she was like who the hell is that and that's like that's supposed to be Spider-Man she's like no the hell that's not he's too young we already just had a Spider-Man that just graduated from high school he looks like he's 12 years old what is this and I'm like that's the Spider-Man they chose for this film franchise she was like they need to take it back cuz he's horrible and she hasn't really watched the Spider-Man movies from the MCU because she wasn't impressed with him and civil War or in in game or Infinity war and then she was pissed off that I took her to go see homecoming because you know we was trying to give him a chance she's like I never want to see this version of Spider-Man ever again honestly.
Tom holland is my favorite spider man and here are my reasons 1. When I first see him in homecoming the way he makes his web fluid for his web shooters and the way he gets excited to see his new suit and says he wants to do more any young kid would react the same I would and when he say please don't take my suit I'm nothing without it I felt bad for him 😔 because to him it wasn't just a suit it was like a part of him he just lost. The other part is when his trapped under the destroyed building he looks down and sees his old spider man mask in the water and I like how it symbolize that his not just spider man his peter Parker and he lifts the building off of himself with no backup or anything and took down the vulture all by himself and even when tony offers him the iron spider suit he refuses it and says he wants to look after the little guy or the regular people that to me shows his not like Tony who only thinks of himself he cares and wants to do good even with his homemade spider suit he stop the vulture that was amazing. Reason 2 in spider man far from home during the illusion or dream part where peter tries to fight mysterio and when see he tries punching him but in reality hits a stone wall but it also breaks if that was the real mysterio peter would have killed him especially if he had the symbiote suit. Another scene is after the illusion peter gets hit by a train but only sustains a few cuts and scratches but he is still able to stand and when his in the jet making his new suit he actually thinks and plans what he wants in his suit from the web shooters to that cool web glider awesome. The part that sweep me off my feet was the final fight were peter closed his eyes and had to trust his spider sense or spider tingle and he was able to sense the real mysterio was behind him and grabbed his hand with the gun in it his spider sense was so in tune his was able to stop the gun from hitting him amazing. I also like how peter had doubts about being the next iron man because his still a kid and wanted a normal vacation with his friends but he now knows that tony gave peter the glasses because he trusted him and he saw him in action. I also love Peter's night spider suit that is one of the things I love about tom holland spider man in each movie he finds a way to upgrade or change his suits for different battles. 😍
I am looking forward to see tom holland spider man with the black symbiote suit. 🕷❤
Jeez, you need to watch better movies man
I respect your opinion, I came across this video since I was looking up peoples opinions on him as Spider-Man. I am actually writing a piece on why I think he is the best. Before I do I will definitely look at some more opinions and their reasoning behind it.
@Erik Kemeey I’ll let you know when I’m finished with the piece
Thanks for watching! And I'll definitely check out your video on why he's the best!
Let me help you with your opinion.
The genius behind the MCU, that no one appreciates, is that they were the first ones (in live action or cartoon) that showed how Spider-Man was in the first 28 issues of his comics. Aka the ditko high school era. Spider-Man doesn’t start as an inspiration in these comics, Spider-Man starts off as an unlucky frustrated little kid, who constantly tries to proof himself, and constantly fights an unfair world. It’s was also silly, entertaining, and very comic, because when Stan Lee started writing Spider-Man, he wrote his stories as a gag because he was so sick of the stuff he used to write all the years before he started the Marvel heroes. They were stories full of silliness, and cheesy situations, sprinkled with serious criminal drama. And that’s exactly how it is in the MCU.
For example, you'll see Spiderman making plenty of mistakes like in homecoming and far from home. You'll see peter arresting criminals before they do a robbery and they call the police and him just standing there like an idiot (homecoming vibe), you'll see him getting scammed and being played by mysterio (far frome home vibe), you'll see him having an adventure with Dr. Strange around the time of his graduation (No way Home vibe), you'll see him comparing himself to johnny storm and and the fantastic 4 (like he does with Tony and the avengers in the MCU), you'll see him doing naive things like trying to cash in a check without writing his name (homecoming vibe), there is no Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, or Gwen Stacy in the ditko era (same as MCU), his life has completely changed at the end of no way home like it kinda did at the end of issue 28, Uncle Ben is barely mentioned (once or twice) in the first 30 issues (exactly like the home trilogy). There are no real consequences in the ditko era during high school (there are no real Consequences in homecoming and far from home), Peter is a happy go lucky kid who enjoys being Spiderman and sometimes thinks irresponsibly because he's just a teenager (unlike the raimi movies and just like the MCU). Peter's identity was in crisis in issue 12 (and it was in crisis in the home trilogy). The high school and friends interactions are heavily emphasized in the ditko comics (unlike the raimi and Webb movies and just like in the MCU).
The things the MCU made different from the comics have a very good reason to, like making Tony stark build him the suit (a story telling tool that shows the evolution of Peter Parker until he makes his own suit, highlighting the growth and maturity of the character) Aunt May has a way more satisfying arc in the MCU than she did in the comics (by making her younger and more important to Peter). Peter having EDITH (to emphasize Peter's terrible luck in no way home and to be used by mysterio to frame him just like in the comics).
So it’s sad that the most comic accurate Spider-Man we ever got is the most hated and the most underrated :(
@@omarmansour6766 💯
Nice
So what your saying is Spider-Man shouldn’t be a kid. You clearly don’t know much about the character
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so you watched 3mins into the video lol
tbh Peter was only in Highschool for 30 Issues. from then on he was an adult college student.
@@OfficialSoraOkami yes and he's in highschool in 3 movies now he's in college
Spidey in the 616 universe was only in high school for 28 issues. So from ‘62-‘65 is when he was in high school. That’s literally only 3 years of a 60 year history. I find it funny how a lot of fans cling onto the idea he’s a high schooler constantly when in actuality that’s only 1/20th of the characters history.
The most overrated nonsense beta spiderman who's just a side chick of Tony stark
I had a hard time relating to tom's spider man who obessed or closely simps to an old billionaire. No responsibilty, no consequences, and relying on stark tech. He never really feel like spider man or a true superhero.
Im so glad no way home finally fixed it
No Way Home didn’t fix it, he still made huge mistakes. He paid for them, but that doesn’t mean he learned from them.
Worst Spiderman And Worst Actor
Imma take this video as a joke soo good joke
People who say Spiderman is supposed to be a kid/teenager forget he is an advanced teenager in college. That was how he was able to work with Dr. Connors on genetic recombination.
Also, once in the costume, Spiderman is bossy and bullish, that no one can tell it is a young man under the mask. He sounds just like an adult and gets on J.J. and Eddie Brock's nerve.
EXACTLY MY FRIEND THANK YOU! You just said the truth about spiderman.
So many stupid people think its accurate to have a kid who is spiderman, dude its not always like that, spiderman also gets groving up.
I feel u
Ya know what's my question? They cast a teen-looking guy to have Spiderman around as long as possible. Then they made him an Iron Man protege. For me that's fine, I don't like Spiderman, but that's besides the point. The point is, if this Spiderman is going to be some Ultimate Spiderman with all techno-gadgets and driving a company as a corporate CEO - so after all the casting a youngling for the role, positioning and stuff, why do they kick him out to replace him with Ironheart?
Where's the business-rationality in this? Especialy, no matter how much I don't like Spiderman, it IS their most profitable superhero, period.
I liked him at first and i thought he could be my 2nd favorite but over time I realize I prefer Andrew and Tobey over Tom. There's nothing wrong with Spiderman being a kid. In fact I was excited they were going in a younger rookie direction. But they dont seem to want him to grow. And I guess it's kind of hard to, because tom will always seem 15/16 years old. If he was actually that young when he started and was able to grow with the movies. I think Tom would be fine. But after watching no way home I completely realised how much more I enjoyed the other spidermen/old villians returning than I did Toms portions of the movie. And the other characters are hands down the worst. Tom and Zendaya are better in real life as a couple than peter and mj. Flash is a dork. Aunt may meant little to nothing. Ned is cool.
He might have looked 15-16 in Civil War back in 2016, but no way is Tom's Spidey from No Way Home a 15 year old boy. Dude looks like a grown man in his 20s, and Tom is a 25 or 26 year old.
@@John-ct9zs In no way home he is already a senior that is about to go to college
@@John-ct9zs oldest he's ever looked to me is 17/18. He's aged since the civil war movie but not by much. And it doesnt help that half the time he feels just as young as he did when he started. He literally screwed with the multi verse because he wouldn't stop changing the spell like a child. Hard to see him as anything but a child
@@riaali9429 I don't agree. He only looked like a kid in Civil War. He looked like a man in No Way Home.
@@riaali9429 I respect your opinion, although I personally really like Tom Holland's version of Spiderman and I think he's doing great, so it saddens me to see how much he's criticised for the way the character is being written.
I agree i never liked Tom Holland as a actor at all really. Andrew was the nest spiderman to me. So overall i havent liked any of the tom spiderman films. Hes just too young and weird to me. Then they did it again with uncharted SMH. Nathan was the perfect actor for the film. Yet we get Tom holland WTF. The short uncharted film woth Nathan was way better than the bs uncharted we got with Tom halland. And a mark whalberg that wasnt much in the film either SMH. Ever film tom is in goes to shit.
What's wrong with Tom Holland? He's not a bad actor in my opinion and he's not the one that writes the script.
I disgree tbh. I really like Tom Holland's version of Spiderman and he's a great actor in my opinion and it's a shame that so many people simply dismiss him as Spiderman to praise someone else and how much better they are at the role and it's pretty frustrating ngl
That's because he's an underwhelming stripling and fails to live up to who Spider-Man has become in his 60 year publication history. Also, respect the hyphen!
This is facts Tom holland Spider-Man sucks andrew the best
He’s pretty mid asf and he doesn’t fit much as Peter Parker or Spider-Man as well
The Spider-Man suit cannot remain constant with the MCU universe. In order for Spider-Man to be in phase 4 and phase 5 you must give him more Powers than what he had in the comic books or he will become irrelevant. Just like blade. You have to keep up with the multiverse. I was only a fan of Spider-Man when I was young so either way I don't care but your general neighborhood Spider-Man cannot compete in the multiverse.
Vulture should of got pulled since he KNEW peter was spidey but ok ._.
You are just wrong and I don’t even need to hear the arguments and then after hearing the arguments I knew for a fact you were wrong. This is like every other Tom Holland Spider-Man hate fest which do not put into perspective that this isn’t the same character as the other two. Your arguments don’t take into account how the Spider-Man 2 ruined Tobey’s Spider-Man or how Amazing Spider-Man is just garbage. Tom Holland has been the only consistent and well-written Spider-Man we have seen. And as always you have to bring up nostalgia and nostalgia has nothing to do with the writing of MCU Spider-Man. Your arguments are just awful man, please at least try and be objective. Also what the hell is wrong with the kid being looked down upon. He isn’t established like the others. Also, you have the Ironman arguments which doesn’t work. He is a kid recruited by Tony and Tony makes it very clear that he believes he will be better than him with or without the tech. As always someone says Iron boy Jr and it’s simply wrong based off of the character’s differing personality and they aren’t making him Ironman. I hate using the nitpicking argument but this is a video with nothing but nitpicks and horrendous arguments. I’m sorry but you are terrible at your job.
unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way
This is like every other blind mcu love fest comment.
@@CabezasDePescado sorry for remembering times were marvels movies were actually watchable
I'm a fan of all the Spider-Men, but Tom is easily my favorite. They took a different rout with it and I love that, so I am going to bring up counter points to each and every point in this video. Feel free to dislike him, but I and many others see this Spider-Man as the best one and here's my counter points.
1. He's to young, No he's not. In Homecoming he is a 15 year old kid, not sure if you've ever seen a 15 year old but THEY LOOK LIKE KIDS STILL! At least he isn't a 27 year old man playing a 17 year old child.
2. His suit, I mean this is all personal preference so this isn't really a valid reason why he's bad. While you don't like it others still do, the suit is meant to look techy and fresh, not like a basket ball put onto a suit. I am aware that NWH came out after this video but in the end of NWH his suit is more classic looking if that makes you feel better. I don't see an issue with the expressive eyes tho.
3. Iron Man Jr., if I had a penny for every time someone says this about Tom's Spidey, I'd be rich. This point is stupid, let me explain. He is a kid, he looks up to Tony as his father figure / mentor / favorite hero. He want's to be like Iron Man, it's his role model, so him acting like Iron Man until he finds his own path in NWH makes complete sense.
4. His Spider-Man is an idiot? HAHA... No. He's a genius they make it very clear in the films that he is "way beyond high school". Even Peter himself states it in Homecoming. But the reason he makes mistakes like failing an interrogation, leaving the interrogation early, or cutting a boat in two, is because HE. IS. A. KID. He just got his powers, at that point he wasn't used to them like a seasoned hero. And again he is only 15 years old, kids make those kinda mistakes almost DAILY.
5. His jokes, I mean at this point I'm just repeating myself, he isn't supposed to have everything under control like Andrew or Tobey. In NWH you see his growth throughout the 3 films, you see him go from the 15 year old kid in Homecoming to the young adult going into collage, dealing with Spider-Man all on his own. And again, personal preference.
6. Aunt May, sure okay. This one I kinda agree with, I love the wise old woman Aunt May in 2002 or 2012, but this Aunt May is younger and more like a fun mom than an Aunt. She still has her place though and they mostly fix this issue in NWH.
7. Flash, okay so... in real life bullies don't look like this buff, jock who is just a jerk. In real life it's much different, most bullies are just normal looking people who pick on you, or tear you down slowly, they don't just wanna fight all the time like in films. In real life bullies can be shorter than you, a different gender, or even weaker than you, but if they constantly put you down then you feel like they have the power anyways. Besides from now seeing all 3 films Flash doesn't seem like just a bully, he seems like a friend that just likes to mess with Peter and get on Peter's nerves.
This point just makes you seem like you've never been to school or just didn't get bullied, I would say this Flash is even more realistic than the other 2 Spider-Man's Flash.
8. MJ, yes sure Gwen and Andrew had more chemistry and it felt realistic, but not for a high schooler. And don't even get me started on MJ in Tobey's, ohh boy. Anyways, in Homecoming it is implied she has a crush on Peter, that is pretty obvious. And Peter doesn't see it until FFH, in Homecoming he had his own crush that would obviously lead no where. Liz and Peter didn't have much chemistry, but I don't think they we're supposed to. At the end of Homecoming after Liz moved is when I think he realized he likes MJ, and so FFH is about him trying to make that work.
When it finally does work (In NWH) they have amazing chemistry, and are great together. I wouldn't say better than Gwen but it isn't bad at all.
Ight, well there's an hour of my life I'll never get back. Honestly as much as I disagree with you it was a solid video, your allowed to like or dislike whatever you want and I don't need to agree with you, I just thought it would be a fun idea to bring up counter points to you. I really hope you read all of this and I hope that after NWH you can appreciate this version of Spider-Man more.
Tom is only the “worst” Spider-Man cuz of writing. Marvel has never failed when it comes to casting and Tom is no exception. He has the potential to be the best Spider-Man. But for some reason Disney thought it would be a good idea to dumb him down to a Disney movie with a Marvel logo slapped on it. Instead of taking this complex character more seriously. They added in ridiculous things like Stark Tech which is just not Spider-Man. After watching NWH tho, that ending really has me thinking Tom might finally start moving in the direction of the classic Spider-Man we know and love
Can't wait for spider man 4
@@gozinator_btwthey better no fuck this up
It's so damn hard to watch Spider-Man movies with Tom.
I hate it so much T_T 😢 😒
I know right. I tried to watch Homecoming first time and quit it in 15 minutes. Tried to watch it again and I quit it again, in just more 15 minutes. That's considering his movies are on Netflix, easily accessible for basically anyone without any effort to download or set up to watch on a bigger screen than the phone, and still I gave up watching it twice.
That's how shitty Tom Holland's Spider-Man movies are.