Spider Man Across The Spider-Verse is Overrated
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- So the new Spider-Verse movie is out and here are my thoughts as well as the facts on it ✌️😎
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Wait!? So Tobey is above canon events?
Guess He really is The GOAT
Tobey has always been number 1
@@yumehousetv Not really...stop the glazing
@@yumehousetvno...
Tobey is the worst Spider-Man...
You are a fake fan
@omniversalpowerscaler789 without Tom Holland you wouldn't have ever seen Andrew or tobey back in nwh
@@Jdudec367 Plenty of people love Tobey, and besides, he created hundreds of memes. Hence he is number 1.
I STILL don't get the pregnant thing. Like is it an empowerment thing?!
I think it's a fetish
Yes it’s empowering to put your unborn child in danger
It's just a weird thing is all it is, and considering how the comics handled it much better, it's no surprise that a film in today's age did Jessica Drew a grave injustice. In the comics, she had her baby boy, who was a year or so old, and she struggled to care and love him, whilst also fighting crime, but that's where her character shined and became so inspiring. Her son was to her, what Aunt May and Mary Jane (or Gwen Stacy) were to Peter Parker.
Yes it actually is but like everything that as to do with empowerment, it's for the elites benefit and not the masses... Just like how they want women to marry their Jobs and give their entire lives for the betterment of the board of directors and the investors, they want to cajole women no to bother taking leave when they get pregnant, they can still do everything... So why bother temporarily not working for 9 months, that's 9 months you're not using slaving away from us... I'm a staunch supporter of laissez faire capitalism but it's actually disgusting and that's why it's not common because people would see through the BS and start questioning other forms of "empowerment"...
Why do you think Biden asked for pregnancy suit for female air force pilots... As if he's encouraging them to go to battle whilst pregnant... I don't need to explain what gforce can do to a grown man not to mention a woman who has her entire nutrition and blood flow halfed by another human in her body... But no, give her a plane to go kill herself with so she can feel she can do everything...
Is Peter B Parker running, swinging, fighting with Mayday an empowerment thing?!
Character Assassination is the perfect way to describe the SpiderSociety. No Spider-Man would let people die because of Miguel's rediculous theory.
buuuuut hes the only spiderman who even slightly researched the multiverse. he created multiverse hopping bracelets. and so far his theory is working (so far) why wouldnt they trust him? also there are spiderpeople who dont like hobie and miles
Spider-Man became a crimefighter after he let a criminal go and his uncle paid the price. From that day forward Peter could never look the other way again. Having any version of Peter stand by and let people die goes against everything he stands for.@@turtle1658
@@turtle1658 rightttt man these people lack any basic comprehension skills as well as media literacy. All their arguments are a lack of understanding and unwillingness to learn its insane!
@@turtle1658Except Spider-Man isn't the type of person who will let criminals go or let people die.
I also feel that even though I dislike this movie, I feel outnumbered by all the fans who love it. It’s like they’re forcing me to like it. Like they’re brainwashed by it. You ever feel forced to like something you don’t?
Absolutely. Been hearing a lot of good about this movie, and watched the first one. I watched this movie a few days ago and was left pretty underwhelmed. Unlike how most people treat this as the best spidey movie ever
Because all the other marvel movies has sucked. They needed something to hold on and they got this...
yeah i mean i watched the movie and it was alright but i wouldnt say it was a masterpiece or the best spiderman movie like the fans say it is
@@_Micah_Bell To tell the truth, I never actually WATCHED the whole movie, I just skipped through it on Netflix instead. The reason why is I’ve been disappointed and ripped off one too many times in the past. So before I think about watching a whole movie I’ve never seen before, I preview it and skip towards the end in order to judge whether if it’s a waste of time or not.
@@cameronboushehri9423 So you don’t like a movie you haven’t seen?
When I watched the movie, all these plot holes were at the back of my mind. When Miles was like I got you all to follow me away from the base, I didn't believe he had that planned. The movie portrayed it as him just running for his life. But I overlooked it all to see if I liked it. Answer I'm indifferent, I do not like multiverse movie simply for the reason nothing seems to matter. I watch one Spiderman and find out there are hundreds more, it feels cheap. So I think it's a masterclass in hiding plot holes
Pretty much. It's chalk full of fan service that most people don't see the holes in the story
@@emperorxero9626 which is then stuffed with canon by the fans who want to love it so they try to make up theories to make it work.
@@emperorxero9626 yeah it’s kind of like the Mario movie we’re they just relied heavily on references and not good story telling
i'd say beyond the spiderverse should fill those holes up, but idk
The movie just feels rushed.
the first movie was so much better
Holy based. Someone finally finds this film overrated.
Your comment is overated
@@struggler7164This movie isn’t perfect, but it’s still good overall.
@@Luke_Taggartits garbage
I really like a lot of things about this movie. The focus put on Gwen was great imo. In the first Spider-Verse she was barely any more relevant than spider-ham, peni and noir.
All of which contributed nothing to the film aside from visual variety.
In this film she became an actual character and had some emotionally resonant scenes. Massive glow-up imo.
But yeah, one thing that makes this movie hard to judge is because it's (yet another) challenging fate story, which so far is unfinished.
And exactly as you said.
Either Miguel is right, and Miles dooms his entire universe (which isn't gonna happen)
Or Miles will save his dad, beat the spot, and his universe will be perfectly fine, proving Miguel and every other Spider-Man in the multiverse to be a fucking retard, and that Miles is better and more righteous than them all.
I really don't get it honestly, because these films clearly appreciate Spider-Man and his mythos, and yet they are explicitly writing a story which feels like, once the finale rolls around and proves Miles right, it is meant to push every single iteration of Peter Parker over the years into the dirt to put Miles on a pedestal.
I am really unsure whether there is any way the next movie can play out, which is not gonna piss me off somehow.
And it's annoying, because this movie is actually like really well made and has a lot of great things about it, but it just picked a terrible narrative.
And again, as you said, the thing with Miguel bashing Miles feels like it's purely there for metacontext (as if people never complained about all the fucking clones n shit) because it doesn't really work with Miles clearly existing in the comics and a plethora of other media. It again feels like yet another way they want to put Miles on a pedestal, by implying he's some once in the multiverse anomaly that is the most special character in the world and should totally replace Peter as the protagonist of Marvel now.
Eh I forgot where I was going lmao. Good video in any case. I hope Beyond the Spider-Verse wraps the story up in a way that wins me over somehow. Because I really want to like it
Exactly! That's why I personally think that this is the worse Spider-Man film. Because they're going to destroy the integrity of all Spider-Men in existence just to prove that Miles is some golden child who absolutely deserves to be Spider-Man. That is some brutal BS right there😒 I don't know what they're going to do for the next film but they'd have to be astronomically on point the stick the landing
@@emperorxero9626 The least bs way I can think of (well it's super bs as it all is but the least integrity-breaking) is that for Miles the rules don't apply/apply differently because he's NOT the true spider man and the whole other-universe-spider-bite-replacing-peter-parker-but-not-really-he's-himself-mumbo-jumbo
So he's still the golden boy exception because he's him 😂
But whatever I just spewed kind of makes at least a little bit of sense in my head lol
What is your favorite movie
@@emperorxero9626 Bro this really sounds more like you're exaggerating because they made a character you don't like the main protagonist. Because this is not the worst spider man movie
@@emperorxero9626 Yep. Even if I have not seen the next movi yet, I know that Miles will be 100% right, so it means all the other Spider-Men and Women, Insomniac Miles included (the one I hate the most right now), are idiots.
I don't think Spot's goal was to kill miles. He wants to take away everything he loves so he can feel the same pain. And maybe after that kill him idk.
He already has that ability to do so
Basically to subject Miles to a fate worse than death, much like what Spot went through at first.
@@Gypsygeekfreak17 That’s what Beyond is for
@@Gypsygeekfreak17 Yeah he has it now and is able to understand it what she couldn't do in the first half of the movie.
Regarding the Jessica Drew race swap - her debut in the comics , she was black. If you're getting into race swapping then technically the comics turned her white and then the movie made her black again.
After some thought , and deeper look , the 'original' Spider Woman was black and wasn't called Jessica Drew - my bad. Spider-Woman wasn't Jessica Drew, but a young Black librarian named Valerie so your point stands 😂
Points for fact checking yourself and conceding. Don't see that in the comments often. Respect.
I agree with the dude above
Great stuff owning up to your misunderstanding. To be fair though if they wanted a black spiderwoman they couldve gone with her. This movie pulls a lot of references so bringing an obscure version of a character wouldve been a better move. Im a white dude so take this with a grain of salt but wouldnt bringing back an obscure character be better than race swapping in terms of representation and diversity?
they probably just combined the two for simplicities sake to not make the movie even more complicated.
@@joshuavis2736 I guess so but oh well they still got miles and spider punk
I remember how much stimulation it force feeds your retinas. It's still a pretty average movie with amazing graphics. If it looks good, it has to be amazing right? Also if you have to say x character is cool, then they are not cool.
Let's not get started on Miles doing "his own thing." He isn't only possibly destroying his own universe but potentially wiping out everyone's loved ones from existence because his pain is greater than everyone elses.
I know right! Like I get that the dude wants to save his father, that's natural but he's going to do it at the expense losing his dad anyway on top of his mother and everyone else in his universe. I don't think that this plot thread was thought through lol
Yeah but good animation doesn’t add up to much when you don’t have a good story
That’s a common misinterpretation. It’s not for selfish doing, it’s purely because Miles is taking the path that is morally the best. He’s been told all his life to not let anyone define his story, so Miguel comes along saying that some algorithm says no. Miles has doubts but ultimately think that’s not how it works, he even thinks it’s the Spots doing.
When Miles saw that world disappearing he was terrified. He’s taking the responsibility to save everyone. While Miguel has his doubts but decides to close his emotions and stick to the logic that some algorithm defines the world.
Miles was never selfish, he acted on morals. Miguel lost who Spider-Man was, and made the safest theory that their trauma were simply things that are supposed to happen, that ironically makes them lose their sense of feeling responsible for their loss.
@@kyleb7974Miles was selfish because he acted on his own personal wants and desires.
@@Ghostface833 Selfish seems to imply that he only cares about himself. But I’d argue it’s the complete opposite when he’s putting himself on the line for another person. It’s not that Miles thinks he’s going to kill the entire multiverse, but that he’s shocked that’s the conclusion Miguel came to and he’s just laying down and accepting it.
Don’t you just love how in an alternate universe where India took over most of the planet somehow they were still suffering from British colonization including idiosyncrasies about millennials misnaming beverages, despite the fact that that popular culture would’ve been over, written by a different one
Wokism at its finest lol 😂
@@emperorxero9626Comics have been woke since their inception you dummy
The idea is to just have an indian spiderman. It's not that deep and isn't meant to be 100% consistent logical.
You could just ask why the Joker still lives or why people are not fleeing the with crime mutants infested hellhole that Gotham is.
@@DundG With Gotham they just hand wave it with something something Indian burial ground evil bat god blah blah lures in the hearts of man tainted by evil, blah blah blah something something excuses. It’s not alternate Spider-Man that’s the problem it’s that they care more about pushing some kind of rant about micro aggressions even if it means destroying the world the building within the story and that’s not something I think is very acceptable.
@@emeraldpichu1 Did somebody actually say microaggressions? I don't remember
it's kinds like when i saw last jedi in theaters back in 2017 i thought i liked it but the more i thought about it the more i hated it y'know?
Yep. I had the same feeling after watching NWH and Across the Spider-Verse.
I feel you on that lol 😂
Same but for me last Jedi was much worse
The last Jedi was just ok
imo i still like it just because i never watched star wars untill force awakens came out so the sequels were the first films i seen
Gwen's story arch is completely ridiculous. None of the events that occurred made sense. Forensic science is a thing, there's no reason the situation with Peter Parker from her world wouldn't be analyzed carefully, to which the situation with her father would go that far. Spider-Woman wouldn't be a suspect anymore.
Her father see's her as a menace like j jonah . Also what forensics could you do a building fell on him. How would you even prove anything with no evidence of dna when she touched him WITH GLOVES ON??? Also because her father see's her in the same light as j jonah he doesnt need concrete evidence, besides seeing her run from the scene as spider woman he thinks she did it thats what he's going off of. Gang did you even watch the movie?
@@rai6er Easy, they could find that he had his veins full of a toxic substance that could be associated to the huge lizard into he transformed on.
I was going to watch this film but unfortunately a lot of people overhyped this movie to thinking that (THIS IS THE BEST SPIDER MAN MOVIE EVER BLAH BLAH BLAH) so yeah, I still have no interest whatsoever.
Watch it and make your own opinion
I quite enjoyed it but for different reasons
I think it looks beautiful and i loved the musics on it too
The animation is also amazing
But is it the best movie ever made? Fuck no not even close to being the best spiderman movie
But it was an enjoyable ride for me with just how beautiful it was (sadly trying to hide all the problems the movie has)
No hate bro. If you don't like a movie, you don't like a movie. It's fine🙏
And if you liked it that's fine too 👍
Is it just this timeline or ppl just don’t want to hear criticism ever, except a few of course. It wasn’t a good movie. Animation getting better each day and ppl can’t seem to tell a simple entertaining story.
@@MugenTJ Disney has been criticized left and right. The Mario movie because popular to debate purely because of bland story telling. It’s not animation getting better but the fact the census is that Spiderverse are good movies of why there isn’t big discussion.
@@emperorxero9626but didn’t you said that in one of your Tom holland video that if anyone liked no way home thery’re like you know, normies?
(I’m not sure if I’m right so feel free to at least correct me not in the most disrespectful way)
buuuuuuut. you COULD say his criticisms are wrong If theyre wrong
I wouldn’t be surprised someone would find this movie overrated, especially with the nonsense with the “canon events” and I don’t like how they did Miguel’s character compared to his character in Edge of Time, despite seemingly being the one in the right, the actual Miguel doesn’t like it when people play dice with the universe let alone multiple.
I call the Spider Verse Miguel, the opposite CEO Parker but he gets away with it cause the one thing that ruined Mulitverse stories is that they treat these powerful forces of vast multiple universes and other fundamental forces like a office job without any powerful gods helping them, you could look at MCU Loki with the TVA to get what I mean.
The only way I could see they could fix in the next movie that is that they HAVE to bring Madam Web over, but I don’t think that’s gonna be a grantee fix.
I'm surprised Madam Web didn't appear in this film but maybe in the next one
people when an antagonist says something wrong: 😠
@@turtle1658 thank you, they just literally dont understand the movie
@@rai6er 👍
@@emperorxero9626 I would've thought that, if *anyone* were to be in charge of the Spider Society, it'd be Madame Web.
Of course, based on this movie's logic, that would then require a woman to be in the wrong & we obviously can't have that.
So let me get this straight. If cacon events are things that are SUPPOSED to happen to every spiderman across the spider-verse, then why is captain Stacey from the sam raimi films still alive? My biggest problem with the canon event plot line is that it not only cherry picks what is considered "canon" by the films logic, but it undermines the reasoning why peter parker became spiderman in the first, "With great power, comes great responsibility". This also ruins the fun (but irritating) concept of the multiverse by which ANYTHING can happen.
In all seriousness while there are things I do like about the film, I just don't see myself hyping this movie up compared to other people. I don't see it as the worst spiderman movie, but you do mske some good points.
That’s the whole point of that element of the plot, Miguel is wrong and the protagonists realize this, that’s why Gwen has that team of spider people at the end, they’re going against Miguel because he’s wrong and causing damage.
@mozax8118 oh man... did you REALLY watched this movie at all?
"If canon events are things that are SUPPOSED to happen to every spiderman across the spider-verse"
no. "canon events" are a thing made up by that costumed vampire from the future. You don't or can't know that "Canon events" are SUPPOSED to happen. Otherwise you would only have White American Peter Parkers in each universe. But look at the Spider Building that costumed vampire... You have cowboy with a horse, fat female Spider-mans (or Spider-womans), female Muslim Pakistani UK Spider-man, cat spider-man, monkey spider-man... Even our beloved Ghost-Spider or Spider-Gwen or what the hell she is called nowadays. Every "spider-man" has his/her own events and his/her own canons. No spider-man (or spider-woman) is the same, yet that costumed vampire from the future is obsessed over his (or her, or its, or whatever called in that timeline) own fault that he is obsessed by those "SUPPOSED to happen" canon events.
"why is captain Stacey from the Sam Raimi films still alive?" dude that character only had like 7 minutes of screen time in total lmao. Just because we didn't see it happened in that short window of screen time shown, doesn't mean that it didn't eventually happened further down the timeline, I'm just sayin
Well, given that there's more stuff we haven't seen, there's a chance that he has died. Also, it is established that not every captain will be a Stacy. So maybe another captain died.
Well that were originally going to have a fourth Raimi film so maybe he lucked out 🤣🤣I all honesty I agree with what you said. Canon Event make it seem like everything Spider-Man is fixed so now you have to ask "Was Spider-Man really too late to save those people or was it a Canon Event?"
I just watched this last night on Netflix and I thought it was garbage. Spiderman 2099 and Scarlett Spider are so much better than they were portrayed in this crap. The animation was very distracting to many flashes and changes and way Overstylized. I couldn't understand anything the spider punk said at all. Lots of boring exposition. I hated this
so your criticism is: animation isnt like the other animated movies with the pixar style, and miguel is an antagonist, and... its "boring" despite having many action sequences. your probably just a child who cant understand characters having meaningful interactions. i dont get how its boring
This movie is alright. People acting like this movie is the second coming are cringe.
Man for real tho lol 🤣
Thank you. For this video and your channel. I discovered your channel just yesterday and one thing for sure, we have the same taste about Spider-Man.
visually its definitely a masterpiece
but yes, there a lot of plot holes
i refuse to believe so many spider-men actually bought miguel's ridiculous theory, and were fine with letting people die
and also that chase scene, sure you could say miles had the spidey sense advantage coz he was the one who actually had something to lose, but they dumbed down every other spider-man, which was poor. peter b and gwen were the only ones who were able to keep up on the train with miguel and miles as well, thats pretty convenient. i guess those 2 are really sick spider-people as well
A lot of the shit caused in the film were with people leading with their emotions. Gwen was one of the worst offenders of this. From her not stopping Miles at multiple points in the story to her blatant insubordination.
Its almost like she's a teenage girl who's not fully capable of making fully rational, mature decisions 100% of the time or something. Crazy.
people when characters have flaws: 😡
people when characters have emotions:
@@ryanhasbanana But so serious to the point of risking a whole freakin' universe, and unrealistically let this shit continue on. Narratively that shit should have been stopped in it's tracks.
@@ryanhasbanana One thing is to have flaws and another being dumb, when a story is based into everyone being stupid to advance, that is ridiculous.
Visually, this movie is spectacularly beautiful, and I was in awe appreciating what these overworked animators can do, but narratively, yeah, this movie falls flat badly. It's just too bloated with content, suitable for this era of late stage capitalism with an ever diminishing attention span.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. Sadly, collective mindsets aren't keen of opposing beliefs.
Yeah but good animation doesn’t add up to much when you don’t have a good story
@@Theagentofchaos-r5q Yes but if you're a fan or a student of animation, then you are getting a lot from this film.
@@thelenbax8497 yeah I understand why you think the animation adds a lot to the movie but this is coming from a critics point of view
I don’t like how they completely crapped on Miguel Spider-Man 2099 and made him a villain, all to prop up a lame tokenized character in miles morales. And sure you could make the same argument for Miguel and say he is a tokenized Spider-Man as well? Only difference is that Miguel had enough differences and didn’t need to piggyback off of Peter Parker like how miles has.
you can make the arguement that he is tokenized, but in the comics he is white and a redhead
@@samaymeshram8842 he's Mexican 😊
@@Codyslx Mexican is not a race tho, he is still white
@@samaymeshram8842 Yeah, but mexican isn't inheritley white now is it?
@@Codyslx not but irish is, and Miguel is half irish too
Im very concerned here! Cuz this head writer is gonna be writing the next monsterverse Godzilla Movie and even worse the director of the last 2 movies isnt returning to direct the next Monsterverse Godzilla and now im even more concerned.
Bro went full Ryan Kinel and basically said there's too many good black people in the movie 💀💀
4:25 💀
NAHHHHH 💀💀💀💀💀
Anyone who things that The characters in this movie were acting like normal people compared to the first movie need some education or deal with their denial.
why is it not normal, please explain
@@turtle1658 too busy atm. sorry. Wanted to answer this while I got this notification.
@@sauce8277 k. but im just curious why you dont think they acted normal
I didn’t like this movie either. The first movie is miles better and this movie ends when it feels like it is getting started. Very lame
The writers have just put themselves in a corner where either Mile's existence breaks canon, he has to kill and replace Peter just to canonically exist, or the whole canon is bullshit and so was this film. That ending wasn't a cliffhanger, it was the writers admitting they have no idea wtf they are doing
On Miguel and Jessica.
I would argue it makes sense that Gwen would joke around with Miguels name. He is a weirdly serious Spiderman in a multiverse of jovial Spiderman. Just a bit of bants. It didn't come off as emasculating or they were trying to say anything specific about Miguel. I don't appreciate not warning him of an incoming strike from the Vulture. For all they know, he could have an instantkill weapon and Miguel dies right there. That was some bad writing.
The reason the Jessica interaction comes off like a serious pander is because you can feel the writers reaching through the screen, using Gwen to scream at you LOOK ONE OF THE FEMALES BUT PREGNANT AND COOL. SHE IS SO COOL ISNT SHE. It also shows the incompetency in the writing, when back up is a single pregnant lady instead of a few of the near infinite spider people doing nothing roaming Earth 2099. Ultimately her being black, and pregnant plays no role in the movie so it's pandery but amounts to nothing. I don't know of that's more or less offensive to whoever that is meant to pander too.
Miguel went as far as destroying one of Vultures wings and a grew it back immediately. Tying up his wings would work but he would just drop them and make new ones. If not to beat Vulture quicker, having more people there to assist with civilians is a good reason to call for back up. Besides. Having fought one Vulture doesn't make fighting all of the easy. That's like saying, having fought vanilla Spiderman means you should beat Miles with ease. They have different abilities across the multiverse. It's like fighting a different person.
"For all they know, he could have an instantkill weapon and Miguel dies right there. That was some bad writing."
Do you remember that she was fighting with that Vulture for a time and encountered what that Vulture can or can't do? No, he couldn't have an instakill Miguel and she knew that. You can't instakill someone with just leaping. That's Vulture did there. Just a body smash. There were no weapon at all, and not even a "instakill weapon".
That's not some bad writing.
That's attention to the details.
@@Qaosbringer she saw Vulture spawn a whole ass 10 ft wing from nothing and has no idea what what allowed him to do that. She has no idea what he is capable of. If she assumes she does, then Gwen is written like an idiot.
You know what I mean about Vulture. He's not the biggest threat to Spider-Man so regardless I feel it should be an easy win. He's definitely one of the goofier looking versions lol 😂
@@emperorxero9626 the whole point about multiverses is that you don't really know what expect. They tried to bring that up in Multiverse of Madness but the best they could pull out of their ass was that red means go and green means stop. As a character in that story, it's stupid of you to assume you know anything for certain. Miles can go invisible and can charge his hands with electricity. That would make him uniquely able to deal with some villains better than others. Not sure why the same couldn't apply to a version of vulture. It may be true that the tea cup stained vulture isn't that one but the characters don't know that. Writing them like they do for the funnys is sacrificing intelligence for some jokes.
That vulture is definitely a version that benefits from the less rigid design of the art style. His absurdity fits in well
I love the animation in the movie very solid 10 out of 10
That jessica drew isn't the 616 jessica drew, so it's not a race swap. In infinite universe there had to be atleast one jessica drew that wasn't white.
this movie was an experience (flaws and all) ...that's rare these days.
This is like watching a Spiderman themed minstrel show
Also Spidergwen is such a retarded character....
How about we not!
@@machaiahlillard8156 We iz cuhhh we waz spidas an sheet
Your point about the cat is stupid because THEY'RE NOT THE SAME CAT
Spider Gwen doesn't stay in the area to catch spot because she wants to hang out with miles, not because she underestimates spot. This is talked about in a later conversation with Jessica drew.
The fact that we don't see spot after he gains extra power is twofold: a) we need miles to be focused on his dad so we can get the explanation of canon events, and b) this is a part one of two. There is another full movie that will conclude the rest of the plotlines (hopefully). Sure, it would be nice to not have an exposition dump in the middle of the movie, but given the rest of the movie around that exposition is really solid and proves a lot for miles and the rest of the main characters, I think it's totally acceptable. Plus, not defeating the spot in this movie helps build tension and gives a small cliffhanger for what's to come.
Miles' universe not imploding is kind of a major plot point. Miguel does say hes been keeping miles' universe together, and if he does more it would start to break down. Its heavily implied, and a leading fan theory, that btsv is going to talk about how canon events are not necesary in the way miguel thinks, and miles can and hopefully will save his dad. Maybe because hes not a peter, maybe because of how he goes about it, but the main point is that it can be done.
Another point: the directors didnt create canon events. The existence of them started with the very first comics with every spider man having their Uncle Ben dying and the first issue being the exact same every time. These writers are poking fun at all the other writers copy and pasting the same story over and over. And no, this does not mean all the spiderman let people die, this means they have already experienced it and in their grief feel it is only right to force miles to experience the same. Paviter probably knew about the bus of kids and the police officer potentially dying at the same time, but he wouldnt have beeen able to save them without a separate spiderman intervening. It is, or at least was, impossible for every spiderman to save their uncle or police officer.
Also, "The movie ends abruptly." Yeah, thats called a cliff hanger my guy.
I agree with the things you said. Well written.
The cliff hanger wasn't as handled as well as it could've been. MI7 had a more effective cliff hanger than ATSV because it has an objective beginning, middle, and end, and it leaves room for more to be revealed and builds suspense for what is to come next. ATSV literally ends at the beginning of its final act with the main heroes going to rescue Miles, (and they clearly outmatch Prowler Miles and Uncle Aaron)and they all have the devices they need to send Miles back to his universe in time to save his dad from Spot, and we don't even know what Miguel O'Hara is going to do about it.
Ok I think you misunderstood somethings. Like when I was talking about Gwen underestimating Spot I'm talking about what other people would use as an excuse for her hanging out with Miles instead of catching Spot. Also she could have caught Spot then hung out with Miles and instead Spot gets away with even more power.
Next I bring up the Spot being phased out of the film because Spot is the main villain of the movie. As such we the audience need to see him as a creditable threat, but he spends the majority of the film as a joke. Then he becomes a creditable and he's absent for the rest of the film and your excuse is "Well there's another movie coming out so duh!" Like imagine if Thanos got the infinity stones in Infinity War but never used them because another part was coming out later. That's stupid. The people behind the film obviously couldn't properly deal with Super Spot and properly show off the massive amount of fan service that is the Spider Society. So, they ditched him for the time being. A lot of problems with production on this film left it in the state that it's in and you can definitely tell when something has even changed in this movie if you pay attention and Spot got put on the cutting room floor to make room for other things and it's sloppy to say the least. The heroes don't have to defeat him in this movie but again you have to showcase him as a force to be reckoned with.
No Miguel does not talk about keeping Miles's universe together he's talking about keeping the canon together as a whole and even then, he's speaking for the ones with breeches in them like with the indian Spider-Man.
Also, I have never heard of the writers saying that they were poking fun at the Spider-Man canon with the concept of Canon Event. If they were then that would be extremely stupid because not all Spider-Men go through the exact same thing but according to this movie yes, they do. So either the writers are just that ignorant or this is your own head cannon.
And you bring up the fact that more will be explained in the next movie but let me explain something here. This movie was never meant to be two parts. I was originally one whole movie but due to the producer's continuous changes and reworks this story has to continue in the next film and they don't have a clue where they're going with that. That's why it's said the Beyond the Spider-Verse may be delayed until 2025 possibly 2026.
Lastly I know what a cliffhanger is but this one was poorly done and you don't even feel like this movie wrapped up. It just ended. This whole film was just one big setup for the next film without an resolution to this film
@@emperorxero9626 I think this can answer some of your questions.
Gwen not catching Spot:
Why Gwen didn’t go catch Spot first was probably because she had no idea where he was. She only knew where he lived probably from the data analyzed from Lyla. Hence why she stuck a camera where that building was. Then she hung out with Miles till her detector went off, and it was already too late. She was basically trying to balance the two, because finding him in New York might’ve been next to impossible.
Writers intention with Spot:
I think the intention with Spot was still to add dread and show him off as a threat. The whole him being a joke at start was supposed to mirror the fact that he’s growing as a villain, and is the stark contrast to Miles. Much like Miles he started off lost and a joke. Then both proceeded to grow but differently, Miles did so through connections, but Spot did so by the connections he had lost by Miles. That’s why he goes from just trying to make a living, but when the person who ruins his life says how he’s not really much to him, that’s when he starts to get pissed. He develops from a joke, to threat, to overreaching villain.
It can split off into scenes. His introduction with the latter showing his true motivations which while pathetic because he can’t own up that it’s anything but Spider-Man’s fault, has an intense hatred for him that’s made bigger when Spider-Man doesn’t even show recognition for him. Then later he’s built up as a threat by Jessica when he explores the potential we saw earlier with his portals. Then Manbattan is where we see his growth hit. Because the intention of that scene was to build up Spot, previously trashed by Miles, now he turns the tables and makes Miles helpless by the end of their fight and tosses the other Spidermen aside like annoyances. Then comes his transformation where his mere presence destroys part of Manbattan, and at that point in the movie we are also supposed to believe he opens that black hole as well.
So in a sense the writers weren’t trying to not show off Spot, because they already did but hid his true capabilities that were hid for those to find after the movie. Like the 100s of dead Spider people under him. To make a better comparison it’s like Thanos but they show off one of his stones and the audience is like “Okay If that’s what that one stone could do I don’t wanna even imagine the rest.”
With Miles Universe and why it doesn’t get destroyed:
I think like the comment said, it was more of a plot point. Same with why Earth 42 is still alive. Miguel’s example is also flawed, he says canon are what defines each Spider persons lives but the canon event he broke doesn’t break any rules because that Miguel he replaced died by natural cause meaning he wasn’t Spider-Man. 1610 also had Peter come into their universe when their Peter died, plugging in Miguel’s logic it should’ve went to shambles.
Which is why canon events are hinted to be BS, even Gwen realized this when her father openly broke the rules by not being captain.
Writers poking fun at canon:
I think the OP meant that they are poking fun at the narrative that Spider-Man is defined through trauma. What I think the movie is trying to go for is that while anyone can be Spider, what defines Spider-Man is perseverance, in that no matter the hardships it isn’t loss but how he preservers through it and moves forward. That’s why with Uncle Aaron he didn’t grow when he died, he actually grew when his father opened up to him. He isn’t defined by trauma or on a meta level, trauma doesn’t need to happen for Miles to grow.
The writers probably do poke fun at canon because according to the art book that states the intentions of the writers and directors. The movies are all about how Miles needs to charge forward and write his own story even if his story is similar to those like him. Which directly correlates to the main creator of canon events, Miguel who says that every Spider-Man is defined by these events that make up their life’s. Which means Miguel is opposing the message by saying the message is that “We’re all defined by what this model says about us all. If that’s what the model is, then fighting back is pointless if it isn’t achievable.” It’s basically all about responsibility, the movies message is that Miles needs to charge forward and write his own story and not let Miguel who thinks a model defines their story, change the fate. Kind of the question of whether fate is pre destined or if we make their fates, and it’s the latter. Miguel is all about control to keep these things intact, while Miles is free to roam because he doesn’t constrain himself to ridiculous concepts like that.
Delay for Beyond the Spiderverse was due to not planning it out:
I believe that was due to the animators. Lord and Miller apparently had a terrible schedule with animators, they’d be off for months but were then brought back for a full 6 days of 11 hours of work constantly for a few months and then many of them quit. The company couldn’t bear it. In terms of reworks. It was indeed reworked multiple times, but not for Beyond but for both.
According to Miller the original intention was to make it one big super movie but it wasn’t working for them. But once they figured that they could come to a good middle conclusion, they ended it on Across the Spiderverse. Which means Beyond the Spiderverse is already written cause they had the story, just didn’t know how to constraint it into time periods.
its poor writing and it shows
being a cliffhanger doesn't mean end abruptly its just a bait for a part 2 making this story a mess
nothing is resolved by the end, take Stranger Things, it ends on a note but it ends the main question on finding a kid which they do by the end
This is a question regarding marvel in general. Why isn't Jessica drew set in the noir universe? She was a detective/ secret agent in her orginal comics so wouldn't that make sense?
They probably thought that would leave racist undertones, lol
............ because theres already a spiderman there
@@turtle1658But they could have a version of Jessica that hails from a similar universe. Spider-Man and Spider-Woman often co-exist within the same universe, mostly due to having nothing to do with each other outside of the name.
@@BrandontheAwesome yeah but then why would she be in the spider society. you have to be considered a spiderman by having canon events. Do you even think? It's not even that hard to understand from the movie. It literally tells you it, theres no thinking involved. Hmmmmmm, i'm starting to think that maybe the people that don't like atsv haven't watched it or haven't payed attention
@@turtle1658 No, it's just that the writing in the movie is straight up terrible.
I convinced myself that I had bad taste and when I didn't like the cartoon called "masterpiece of animation in 2023" I thought it was an overrated product.But then I just realized that this is garbage (although in fact not bad), which people did not understand much. For example, Miles and Miguel. Miguel is not without sin, but in principle he is a pretty good character.Miles - some people say that he is a hero because he decided to save his family, haters call him an egoist because he went to save his family and only I call this character mentally retarded. Why? When he is told that saving his father will lead to the death of the universe, he runs to save him. That is, he goes to save his father by killing his father, mother, acquaintances, countries, planet, all aliens and just the universe?! IS HE REALLY STUPID? He has an argumentation at the level of a schoolboy, which he is! For example - *we have to try, because we are heroes.* I swear to you - I imagined in my head how he saves his father, destroys the universe and being transported to another universe, he starts crying, and I start laughing. When you start cursing a positive character, you realize that the director has failed his job
You bring up excellent points. It's a shame though that Miles is going to be made to look right in the end. We all know that the writers are going to have Miles put Miguel in his place as well as all other Spider-Men and paint Miles as this "amazing hero" 😒
@@emperorxero9626 It is sad that we can now observe a very often overrated and undervalued product every day. Perhaps because people have become softer, but then why are there many projects that have been kicked to death? In any case, probably 80% of the positive reviews are probably due to the name and graphics of the film
According to one of the directors he planned for people to be split with the philosophy field between Miles and Miguel. It worked, I remember when it came out how many people sided with Miguel. Although after the digital release I’ve seen more support for Miles.
@@kyleb7974 I still remember the comment that pissed me off "The brain tells me that Miguel is right, but I feel in my heart that Miles is right.".. This is really strange logic
tbf if u were a teenager and found out ur dad was going to be killed and that u may have a chance to save him, even though it may mean the fate of the universe, u probably wouldnt be thinking straight urself and may make an irrational/the wrong desicion.
I hate the stupid plot convinces/contrivances in the film. You can monitor activities through their dimensional travel devices. How the fuck did Miles, Gwen, and others get away with shit? Also, how are there not safety protocols on these dimensional travel devices, in case, you know, people go rouge?
Great point!
How Come If Miguel is So strong...Why can't He take down the Vulture, Himself??
Why does he need Gwen and Spider Woman ....
1 thing that makes NO SENSE
There are literally Hundreds Of Spider Man variants and NONE OF THEM is able to catch Miles??
If Gwen would have endangered the multiverse by going back to visit Miles....WHY DID SHE DO IT??
Why does Miguel Blame Miles for something She did??
Great video. While watching this film, all I kept thinking was, “Wow, this is a MESS!”
Not really that much of a mess seems like someone else is over thinking that because your problem like the movie in the first place
I mean, it's bound to happen where someone will fine a popular movie overrated and while I don't agree with your points, I get it
I agree with this whole video. The only thing I’ll add, is despite this movie having literally everything in it, it was boring. Great art style, poor execution.
i liked this movie and think its good parts outweigh the bad, but liked the first movie better. im gonna wait for the third movie
I mean I enjoyed it but man the fandom is like 11 out of ten when it’s an 8
Agree
This movie isn't good if you consider it as a movie. But for what it is, I think it's great.
what do you think it is?
What exactly do mean by that
You know the movie was a disaster when they hired NAV for the soundtrack.
Dont disrespect the goat
@supes2687 There is no way you are being serious. NAV is the most generic mumble rapper to ever exist.
@@stoneymt Are you saying the soundtrack is bad? What a weird take.
@@Shhhhh183 I am saying the soundtrack is bad. Here is why I think that;
The mixing sounds like garbage.
The actually talented vocalists (for the most part because of NAV and some others inclusion) bring out their worst performances to date.
All the tracks suck and feel uninspired, shallow, and lyrically empty, and additionally try to replicate other vibes of music instead of being it's own established project, such as "Am I Dreaming" failing at being a "Graduation" esque song. The only thing the songs accomplish is containing the corniest references to the film of the same name, which is a dumpsterfire of a movie.
The production is so generic and god-awful compared to Metro's previous endeavour, "HEROES & VILLAINS" and the previous "Into The Spider-Verse" soundtrack.
And finally, let's be honest. Name one person who came back to listen to this soundtrack album. If the album was that good, wouldn't it have another hit like "Sunflower?" (And I will add, Sunflower by itself is better than all the tracks on the Across The Spider-Verse soundtrack) It just proves furthermore that this entire soundtrack is so dry and just painfully sucks. Into The Spider-Verse's soundtrack is just so much better and really makes you feel like you are Spider-Man.
But that is just my personal opinion, what about everybody else's?
I don’t think the canon event plothole should be criticized so harshly. You are forgetting or at least don’t seem to realize there are these questions left about the canon and informationINTENTIONALLY not included for the next movie.
I'm going to hold my judgment until we get the second part.
Couldn't have said it any better, my man! :D
There's so much wrong with this film, especially with how they've depicted and wrote Peter B Parker and Jessica Drew (or Spider Woman). Jessica Drew in the comics was such a compelling character, who besides the fact that she struggled to fight crime and care for her baby boy, showing him as much love and attention as she could, she also dealt with matters that would normally be too much for others, but not for her because her son keeps her afloat, as Aunt May and Mary Jane did with Peter Parker.
That is ALL absent in this film, and I honestly wish there'd be another film solely centered on Jessica Drew, where she is FAIR skinned and wasn't made the way she was here, and she's MORE human, rather than, again, how she was depicted in this film. Same goes with characters like Peter B Parker, who was more annoying with the way he wore that PINK bathrobe throughout the ENTIRE film!!! This movie is something else, man, and it's NOT "good". 🤣🤣🤣
"Jessica Drew in the comics" this woman is not the same with her. Just an alternate version.
I hate how Peter B Parker is this feminized house husband dude now. Seriously could he be any more of a woman lol 🤣
@@emperorxero9626 Right!! 😂😆
He may as well have been a woman, since he wasn't the one wearing the pants. Either that, or he was trying to hide how not so in shape he was. 😂
@@Qaosbringer *woke version, dude. Woke and clearly politically driven was the reason behind her being race swapped and altered the way she was. Also, the multiverse nonsense has ALWAYS been so ridiculous, because it's an easy "avoid criticism" free card since they can have whatever "alternate" versions, and none would bother to critique it. Well, they're wrong. It's lazy and plain bad. lol
@@emperorxero9626 You all take stuff too seriously cause how dare Peter Parker be a father that very much loves his daughter And be kind of goofy with it
Don't know how much I trust the opinion of someone who chose a code geass pfp. It may sound trivial but given this channel's other content, I'm seeing a pattern.
Lol 😂
And you do realize Gwen Stacy actually likes miles. She's not a part of that community.
But she has a connection with Peter
I could write a thousand word list disproving the vast majority of your arguments that convey this movie in a negative light but I honestly can’t be bothered. I’ll just give one example. The Spot did not go on his massive rampage to power himself up just to beat miles, if you where paying attention at all you would see that another big aspect of the Spot’s character is the desire to find a sense of belonging with other Spider-Man villains and prove that his is a “worthy” villain so to speak. That was half if not most the reason why he wanted to power himself up, not just to be able to beat Miles.
Where he said this?
Yup this video sucks once you think about for it a sec
I remember giving this film a 6.5 I think out of 10 when I saw it. And each time I actually watched, I've liked a less and less each time. So uh yeah, I feel ya. My biggest problem was, I was really hoping to see the Spectacular Spider-Man version inside this film but once I saw him, and saw what his role was, I was so disappointed. Like even upon first watching, I didn't like that, and I really don't like it after thinking of it more and more. My favorite Spider-Man, and he's just doing nothing but excepting fate. Instead of fighting against it with the "heroes". I didn't and don't expect him to be a main character or anything. But I'd rather have him not be here then have him doing what he did. That was probably my biggest issue honestly. I loved that version of Spider-Man.
It's been quite a while I missed seeing the Emperor.
Although to come back like this is hmm...
I personally like this movie because it's fun and that's really all that I need these days I think there are a lot of movies far worse
I honestly didn't even think that Girl was the Spiderwoman I played in the old games I thought it was just another variation stretching the idea of the Multiverse
I might come with a more in-depth talk about Canon events and what I think about that but for now I just simplify it with they might be misunderstood or no one has the will to try when they believe such a regime is the truth for such a cost that is so high maybe Miles is that will and will learn more about Canon events or him being an Anomoly will let them change Canon Events without issue at least in their own world or Anomoly world because of how it exists
I personally think if it was story wise and Peter Parker was killed vs Miles more people might actually care than you say because Peter is bullied all the time in these comics and them being iconic and memorable makes this "Oh another day of the comics" vs Miles might be more shocking
Now if it's a complete replacement then yeah you would have more merit in your argument
You got to admit that I come in swinging lol 😂 I'm glad you liked the movie but considering how the last Spider-Verse film was done I expected better. Instead, the film double and sometimes triples down on the problem in the last film. Characters not getting enough development, Miles lucking out and just winning, etc. I understand that the production problems are to blame for most of my problems with the movie but Sony chose to put it out as is so I'm judging it as is
i agree with a LOT of things in this video but i still like the movie.
also, i don't think miles blasted miguel with his venom blast or whatever. if you watch carefully, he's actually sucking miguel's powers or whatever. That's why miguel wasn't able to hold on to the metro with his "claws" or his web.
He absorbed the energy from Miguels seemingly nanotech suit - hence the glitching - then blasted him back with the stolen energy.
Spider came in from another universe and bit Miles, changing the course of his actions, leading him to the collider, it's kind of a butterfly effect.
So if there was no outside influence he wouldn't have "been there and be the reason spider man dies aka disrupting the canon of spider man not dying there", to me it all makes sense.
And Miguel even knew all of this - now my viewer speculation is that he was "huh so the spider did not cause that universe to collapse because its spider man got replaced by Miles, very interesting, need to observe" until Gwen and Miles quadruple fucked up for the movie to happen
What's more interesting is that we hear nothing about indian spider man universe - they all came and did some quantum containment bs and it just got fixed I suppose?.
So you can save the vip and then you just have to fix the tear in the universe which they seem experienced in dealing with lol
Like okay Miguel didn't know shit about it and his universe was gone, but now he learned how to fix this and has this whole interdimensional organisation just for that it seems.
I assume it doesn't work like that but they didn't tell us it doesn't, a single line of "this universe is now super fucking unstable cuz of you and we have to watch the tear 24/7" or some other consequence (I mean up to the universe getting destroyed as they've told us) could've been enough
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And also people like the movie specifically for amazing animation and the action, the shitty story is only part of the movie, for which some people care more and some less.
The animation and action and your condescending "they made a bunch of filler spider people and you fell for it" carries it hard.
There's a lot of unanswered questions that we most likely won't get answers to because the final film has a lot to tackle lol
@@emperorxero9626but I'm sure they'll get some of the big ones
Calling it the Worst spiderman flim is crazy, but i still agree with you.
My thoughts exactly. As much as the movie has flaws its still one of the greatest movies in the past 5 to 10 years
@@shadowy6969Puh-lease, even the Marc Webb films were better than this crap.
cant take anyone who cant say "other" serious.
After hearing your perspective on Miles, I I'm startin' to think...wouldn't it be better if they made him a villain as time went on? Miles doesn't have THAT much character to go off of and...I think it'd be cooler if they made him evil because he was always in Peter's shadow.
unless they're already doing that. I remember there was an evil MIles with braids in the movie? I can't remember why.
Jesus christ never make an idea again, this has got to be the worst development I've heard for miles so far. He is his own spiderman why the hell would he be in peter's shadow especially since he's dead. Are you actually okay???????
@@rai6er the WORST? I know empty holes like you have nothing to add, but damn, your comment is worse than mine.
think outside the box, nigga. or is that askin' too much? 😪
How exactly Would Myles make a good villain all because this guy gave his weird opinion perspective on him? That doesn't make sense to make him into a villain and hate to be to bear of bad news but if you have the art book from the spider verse that maz Morales you see at the end is actually a vigilanting so he's not evil. If you want to leave a mile go read his comic book and his clone saga
HIDDEN STORY TELLING TALENT ‼️‼️‼️‼️ KEEP IT HIDDEN 🚫🚫💯🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@rai6erRead the first issue of Peter's Ultimate Spiderman and Miles' Ultimate Spiderman and tell me Miles is not a cheap copy.
ur opinion is 95% valid, but for the "2/10" score, that should be 5/10 or 4/10 imo
My channel is the gateway to many opinions some would consider to be controversial....
You didn't understand the movie, I'm going to break your points down, line by line:
Point 1: There's nothing wrong with replacing the phenotypical features of a character if they mean nothing to the story. Calling her tokenized doesn't make her a token character. It's an artistic choice, there was no social commentary on her race at all, the only thing that was commented on was her pregnancy which even you admitted has been done before in the comics, I think this is a case of you just having something on your conscience that you're taking out on the scene. Also, she's a spider woman, there are already many things that don't align with reality in these universes, you're telling me you believe there is a web-slinging, wall-crawling, woman, but you can't believe there's a web-slinging, wall-crawling pregnant woman. Let's be real. The whole point of the first movie was that ANYONE CAN WEAR THE MASK, there are multiple versions of every character that ever existed, so the Jessica drew you know and love still exists, you're using the same arguments as those who didn't like Miles at first.
Point 2: Diversity doesn’t equal “anti-white”.
Point 3: Gwen is Spider-Woman, if you know anything about Spiderman, he’s supposed to be funny and quick-quitted, that would be the same for Gwen, she was like that in the first movie as well. You just want something to be mad at.
Point 4: The spot doesn’t know how to use his powers, that the whole point, for the start of the movie, he’s like all the other iterations of the spot but the movie puts a creative spin on the character, and reveals his true potential of someone with that power. There’s nothing wrong with that, I don’t see how that’s an issue. The only times he’s incompetent with the powers are when he’s first learning to use them or he doesn’t have enough spots. They didn’t get rid of him, he went away to get stronger super colliders, you know, because they destroyed the one in Miles’ universe in the first movie.
Point 5: Miles’ consequences in his day-to-day are very real, he has to balance school, he has to balance the fact that his DAD IS A COP WHO ISN’T VERY FOND OF SPIDERMAN SO HE CANT JUST REVEAL THAT. There’s also the conflict of Miles not having many friends outside of his roommate because he focused on going to school for physics where he can find a way to be able to visit his friends who can relate to being spiderman. So it’s not some fake issue trying to copy the parkers. These are issues anyone would have to deal with in Miles’ shoes.
Point 6: No consequences, the point is that is the consequence if you watch the whole movie, the grounding keeps getting longer as Miles breaks his parents’ punishment. The last this his parents say is, to tell Miles that he is now grounded for 5 months at the end of the movie. If you weren’t so focused on hating you would notice that.
Point 7: Your’re point that Gwen wasn’t doing her job is the whole point. The movie lets you know she wasn’t supposed to do that, we all know that, the movie doesn’t try to convince you otherwise, she wanted to see Miles even though she was told she couldn’t that’s the whole point.
Point 8: “With great power comes great responsibility”. That’s very true, but ALL SPIDERMEN HAVE MADE MISTAKES, THE WHOLE PLOT OF SPIDERMAN IS HIM MISTAKES AND FIXING THEM. THE LITERALLY THE WHOLE POINT.
Point 9: Miles follows Gwen because one he likes her and two he wants to join the secret task force she told him about and wants to know more about the things she talked about with Jessica Drew.
Point 10: Canon events, THIS IS PART ONE OF TWO PARTS, OBVIOULSY MIGUEL IS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING, OTHERWISE MILES WOULD HAVE NO ARGUMENT. LET THEM EXPLAIN WHY IN PART 2.
WE DON’T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THE MOVIE COULD HAVE MILES BE IN THE RIGHT AND TRY TO SAVE HIS FATHER. LET THE MOVIE TELL ITS STORY COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE “PLOT HOLES” THAT YOU DON’T KNOW TRULY EXIST.
THABK TOU SO MUCH FOR THIS LIKE BRUH ALL OF HIS POINTS ARE STUPID OR INVALID. Also, why is one of his openly positives is when he’s happy Miguel hurts him and is upset when he gets away??? Weird much??
@@DaVickster1078 none of them were actual issues, he was just retelling what he saw on the screen and making an issue out of it. the movie was amazing and what ever plot holes he saw are going to be covered in the next one, then the reason there’s a part 2. People like him just want to be mad and pander to a group of folks that don’t want to like the new era of spider man.
What's wrong with you?
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@@Yalovayahznepomnimenawdym?,
So something I don’t think you understand is that all the spidermen and women that you see in this film, if they have a counterpart in a piece of media they’re universe designation will be universe XXXXB to avoid confusion. So while it is the spectacular Spider-Man we know and love it is not technically the same one from the show, so they’re actions against miles doesn’t ruin the character of hundreds of spider people because it is not really the same spider person we see in their respective piece of media. Sony has essentially made their own separate spiderverse
Nice try but head cannon isn't going to help this situation lol
in my opinion i liked the animation and some of the characters were cool but i dont get why people are acting like its second coming of jesus
The nitpicking is stupid , u mad at the whole pregnant lady thing when were watching a cartoon about spider people
I did not like Across the Spiderverse. Here are my pros and cons.
Cons
1. I get Miguel had a terrible traumatic experience, but, it doesn't mean he should be a controlling jerk
2. Ben Reilly being way more of an edgelord than he already was in the comics
3. Hundreds, if not thousands of Spider-People/creatures blindly following Miguel's orders
4. Unnecessarily overweight Spider-People
5. Race-swapped Jessica Drew
6. Jessica fighting crime while pregnant
7. Peter knowingly taking his baby into dangerous situations
8. "Spider-Rex"
9. Spider-Punk's entire dialogue being "down with capitalism" and similar annoying junk like that
10. Constant member berries to other better Spider-Man related media
11. Alternative Miles being the Prowler was completely predictable
12. It's part one.
13. Going by the first movie's logic, Miguel should've glitched out of the world his alternate self died in. The ENTIRE UNIVERSE wouldn't have glitched out of existence because one person screwed up.
Pros
1. Interactions between Gwen and her dad
2. Interactions between Miles and his folks
3. The unique art direction
4. Spot actually being a terrifying and formidable villain by the end
5. Spider-Man India
A friend of mine got annoyed at me after we saw this movie at the theater. He asked what my thoughts on it were. I said "eh." He flipped out and hid in the restroom. Another friend who was there wanted me to apologize. I didn't understand why I needed to. If I thought the movie was "eh," then, those were my thoughts on it. It was a mixed bag for me at first, then, I thought about it more and made the pros and cons list.
I watched the second movie right now. Yes, it is not as perfect as the first movie. But it is still a "perfect" movie and I loved how the writers care about every detail in the movie. I have grown with Spider-Man cartoons since 80s, and I love how writers respect different period of Spider-Man era. And I love how they create characters that every Spider-Man generation can empathize and symphatize with.
Well I'm glad someone enjoyed the film 😁
@@emperorxero9626I’m pretty sure everyone enjoyed it but you buddy 💀
@@DaVickster1078 yep
@@DaVickster1078Everyone without logic
@@Yalovayahznepomnimena Shut up buddy you aint special. even with the logic the film has problems sure but it's not Bad
Good video, is this a reupload though? I feel like I've seen it before 🤔
No it's brand spanking new
Honestly i enjoyed the movie but mainly thanks to miguel being a badass and how the movie looks
It's extremely beautiful and had some parts that could easily be used as wallpaper
But i do agree with many things you said in the video tbh
It's a movie you enjoy the first time but the more you ask questions the more you see the holes and flaws it has
After a while it becomes so apparent that you cannot avoid it
And i hate how they treated peter in this movie
Why does he bring his daughter into all this dangerous stuff? Why is he betraying miles without having an honest conversation with him?
He felt out of character through the whole movie imo
And as you said either miles is stupid or he's better than absolutely every version of spiderman
So either miles is a loser or everyone else is
And we all know what they're gonna choose
I think this video is wild and very dumb for what makes the movie what it is and how it is,as you: I feel like dont understand why its good out of a nitpicks,blanlty strecthing or bias. Liked the content and youtuber as a whole but imma pass because i just dont agree with you but its fine if you dont ether. But i dont mess with these points because what i mentioned before
Don’t worry my friend I don’t agree either. It’s forced ballshit💀
Did you watch this video or are you being ignorant. This move is overated the first one is better it has alot of inconsistant stuff in it. Its a 7 out of 10 at best.
@@zachmaxime9459 cap I watched the video and it is a ignorant video and everything he stated is ether we don't know because the third movie hasn't came out,or there's not enough proof to proof wrong and you haven't named those inconsistencies so idk what that means,if you think it's not better than the first one OK but its not a bad movie by the points he made
@@AmonRa_Stringer inconsitencies is the world where in the opening of the first movie spiderman was doing references to diffrent spiderman while the spidermen he was referencing were real. Also no you havnt adressed what he said you called him ignorant at cast his arguments as nitpicks. That is a way of shooting downt desent without adressing his points.
@@zachmaxime9459 I said it as my overall opinion and again you said inconsistencies as the world with no examples but for the world it is consistent as the world comes to gather as their own version of the multiverses as in the comics and how the characters are in some ways are different for their original versions and that's shown through how they act,but since your wondering my reasons,I think he is ignorant because these are explained in the movie,they literally are different versions and that's explained so to compare miles,Miguel or Gwen or anyone else to the comics as the same character does not make since if your trying to talk about motifs or point of view. He doesn't like miles from the comics(which is understandble) but not the same character as the movie or the game and other stuff Like that he has said or isn't needed for a point and is instead a nitpick or bias towards the character for being him or changing for this
There are just so many unbridged points in this movie it keeps jumping like a kangaroo to different spots without standing once to take a rest, and the dialogue omg I hated it, so vague and the sound mixing is unclear.
Yeah nothing really connects well in the film. Just a bunch of stuff happening with little bits of duct tape to barely keep it together then you think about it and it falls apart lol
What living in an echo chamber does to a mf
Nah but like fax
awww cry more
I’m so happy I’m not the only one who thinks this movie is extremely overrated. I loved it, but I don’t understand the hype! I prefer all of Tom Holland’s movies and Into the Spider-Verse better
I disagree a whole heartedly but it’s your opinion and I can respect that
Cope.
@@BrandontheAwesome bro what
@@ryanhasbanana This movie was garbage and one of the worst things to happen to Spider-Man. If you can't see that, you are a fake fan.
@@BrandontheAwesome u can dislike what u dislike but me personally this movie was amazing. i am interested to hear why u didnt like it though
@@ryanhasbanana So you admit to being a #FakeFan. Got it.
My reasons for hating this movie are very clear. But I am not going to entertain you with why.
At first i was mad at this video but now im open to your opinion, friend
I glad that you see where I'm coming from 😁
@@emperorxero9626 Yes, although I love this movie, it, at least to me, has little flaws. But I do think can fixed. To me it's "perfect" in its own way. Good video, my friend.
@@miciahpaper3945 Fake Spider-Man fan confirmed.
@@BrandontheAwesome if that's what you think.
@@miciahpaper3945 It's not what I think, it's what anybody with a brain knows.
Completely agree with everything you said. You're a chad for calling this movie out. It's a overstimulating lightshow with a lame story. Also 10 bucks says that most of the people in the comments defending the movie weren't actually listening to your points and were just emotionally reacting to the video title lol
I wouldn't say your rating is an opinion since you gave plenty of evidence of how poor the story is to back it up. It is like any other superhero story with plot armor and cliches, so I stopped expecting anything from superhero stories altogether. It made me laugh out loud that the producer at the end says to make the story "right", when logic is out of the window I guess everything can be right.
thank you Emperor for speaking your mind and revealing the truth that i was to blind to see. I feel embarrassed but i ask for forgiveness from you our emperor. P.S. i may have made that a bit over-dramatic but never change Emperor, God speed my lord 👍👍😅
Thank you my friend ✌😎
We’re we even watching the same movie? Come on man the story was so fun. Seeing all the different spider people come together and Miles and Gwen reuniteing was amazing!!!
Good for you for enjoying the movie 😁 I personally didn't
@@emperorxero9626 Same. I didn't enjoy it either. It pretty much had the same plot and pacing issues as NWH.
I see what you mean and I respect your opinion but in my opinion across the spider verse is the best spider movie and i also love no way home as well
Was looking forward to someone being honest about this one!
The movie isn't over; the 'ending' was a cliffhanger. The very idea that an entire universe will unravel if one person doesn't die the way they're 'supposed to' is perfectly ridiculous. This post-modern approach in writing is referred to, I think, as 'META'. Or... because comics.
Unlike Deadpool these characters don't know they're in a comicbook universe, but YOU as the audience, are meant to.
Multiversal travel? Also because comics. Predictive 'canon events'? Also because comics. If you are unwilling to make this leap, then stay home. This movie is, in itself, a commentary on long-form comic book storytelling. And you can't talk about comics without using the words: TO BE CONTINUED.
All of the points made in this video are absolutely valid. I doubt that 'beyond' will stick the landing. But I am here for it.
Oh My God He is Alive!!!
And cooking 😎
This dude seems like the type of guy that grinds his teeth every time he saw a black person on his screen .
He is black
@@frostcrusader5680 Dude didn't know he was black🤣
@@frostcrusader5680 so was uncle ruckus .
@frostcrusader5680 Doesn't change shit
Why would the creator of this video,, have distain or hate for Miles Morales? It would be interesting to hear his reasoning Although He makes many valid points. I didn’t get the point of the pregnant spider woman in the film. What was that all about? But I still love Both the movies. The writing, direction, animation and editing and voiceover work, is excellent. I even enjoyed the music. A top-notch animated film. Probably one of the best films of this year. I’m sure the film will be in the top 10 of a large majority of movie review was here on RUclips. Other than guardians of the galaxy 3. Spider-Man Miles Morales movie,, is the best superhero movie of the year. I think Miles Morales is a great character. I look forward to the third film in this franchise.
Because he wants to destroy own universe
Keep on shilling, fake fan. It won't matter, because it doesn't change the facts:
Miles Morales is a token ripoff. Peter Parker is the one, the ONLY Spider-Man.
@@BrandontheAwesome everyone doesn't care. Its multiverse
@@Yalovayahznepomnimena So, by your stupid logic, nothing matters and we shouldn't be invested in any entertainment because it's subject to change.
Yeah, sounds like fun. Not.
Keep coping.
@@BrandontheAwesome I'm talking about your stupid comment. In the multiverse, anyone can become spider-Man. What is the difference between Miles and Peter? In that the first one is ni...
Movie Sucks!
Miles was pushed out of his own movie!!
It was more a story about Miguel and Gwen and the variants
Across the spider-verse will always be my favorite movie of all time
Good on you mate! 👍
This sounded so nick picky it’s insane
I’m genuinely surprised you’re back. I thought you gave up on RUclips. That said. I don’t like the Spiderverse movies either. It’s based on a story I don’t like from Dan Slott, one of if not the worst Spiderman writer ever (Though Zeb Wells is giving him a run for his money). I don’t like Miles Morales as a character in any medium. It has so many variants of Spiderman that it turned me off to the multiverse gimmick. I didn’t like how Spider Woman was race swapped and is so irresponsible that she puts her baby at risk through superhero antics, but no one calls her out on it and holds her accountable. I also don’t like SJW elements.
It will definitely entertain most people since there's a lot going on at once to keep your brain stimulated but that won't work for people thinking pass stage 1 and honestly I don't see them sticking the landing with the next film
I do NOT think this was the best Spider Man movie, Ever!
No Way Home is Much better!
Too Many plotlines in 1 Movie!
I respectfully but very strongly disagree, ATSV is hands down the best animated movie of all time.
Fax right here
But the plot is fucking horrible trash
@@Yalovayahznepomnimena No.
Personally, I didn't hate 'Across the Spider-Verse', but I didn't love it, either. I did think the Spot was cool (I kind of liked that he was a goofball and also a threat; it was an interesting change-up); I have a bit of a soft spot for Spider-Gwen, so I liked that we saw more of her here, and as someone who's always found Spidey 2099 to be awesome, I'm appreciative that Miguel is finally getting some mainstream recognition.
That said, this movie does have issues. It is SEVERELY overstuffed, and way too frenetic for its own good. I had similar complaints about the first film, though, in retrospect, they did actually manage to pull it off decently well - but with 'Across', they bit off more than they could chew. There's too much going on - there's Gwen and her dad problems; there's Miles and HIS parents; there's the Spot; there's the Indian Spidey and HIS personal problems which we learn about; there's Miguel's tragic backstory, which is clearly going to drive something in the future; there's the whole 'Canon Events' business, which is tricky enough to wrap one's head around just on its own; there's Miles' whole plan with the daring escape, which really kind of seemed like 'oh, crap, we need a twist right about here', and then, finally, there's the BIG twist right at the end with Miles in the Prowler-verse - and I'm probably missing a couple little bits, too. It's just overwhelming, and everything moves at the speed of light so you can barely keep track of it all. I still liked the movie decently well, but it's never going to be the sort of thing I throw on for a casual watch.
For me Spot just 2 dimensional character
I was banned from a stream of this movie because I called it : " Mental Illness Spiderman "
that sucks and all but why the hell would you joke like that in the first place? 💀
@@classicwhitehat9028 simple, I don't simp to woke losers. and, I wasn't missing much anyway, all the movies sucks.
I mean i liked it but i never LOVED it. Whenever i talk about the flaws it has while also praising it my friends look at me like an alien and say " Smh you buggin bro. " and im just standing there realizing they dont really care one way or the other.
9:30 because they want to represent black skin and black stereotypes not black culture... I don't even think i could walk away from my elder siblings not to mention my parents...
lol 🤣
20:28 THANK YOU
Miles Morales is a great Spider-Man. Despite the prejudices of this RUclips channel.
Why?
cry harder Miles shill.
@@headshotmaster138 Looks like you got ratioed
@@andyoye9230 imagine thinking that matters in the real world.
@@headshotmaster138 Mattress? Please try that again in English please.
I'm confused because am I the only person who's come to the conclusion that the filmmakers are intentionally being weird about Canon Events and will fully explain or resolve them in the third movie? Didn't they say it was a two-parter? Because I feel like people aren't considering that Miguel is very much NOT an objective and reliable source of info considering his current mental and emotional state? It's very likely Miguel has gotten something wrong about Canon Events and hasn't realized or is in denial from the trauma of his kid being erased.
That doesn't make it any less of a problem. If the answer really is "Miguel dum", then all the Spider-People (mostly composed of geniuses) following him without question are automatically all as stupid as him.
Because there is no indication that he is hiding his research or theories from the other Spidermen and they outright defend his thesis against Miles, so it's all safe to assume they checked his data and all came to the same conclusion.
On top of that, the Miles' squad has absolutely no rational reason to go against Miguel, it's all emotional attachment to Miles, they don't even try to bring up a logical reason. So the resolution being a fault at Miguel's logic won't be a satisfying conclusion, because at no point was that something the movie brought up.
@@caioaugusto1606 Fair point, I was just making my thoughts known. I suppose we'll just have to wait until Beyond comes out and see what happens.
@@jahrusalem3658 Yeah, and you expressed yourself well, I just thought I figured where you weren't seeing the mistake and tried to show it to you.
And yeah, that's all we can do. What we do know is that the damage is already done.
If I had to make a bet: Miguel was wrong, every single other Spider was wrong, and Miguel is the actual anomaly that is messing with the Multiverse. Miles will figure that out, show to the Spider Society that they are a bunch of idiots and they will all praise Miles as Spider Jesus, the best Spider Man ever.
@@caioaugusto1606 I mean, Miguel being an Anomaly himself might actually happen.
@@jahrusalem3658 I'm pretty sure that will be their excuse.
He was never bitten, he got his powers from a machine malfunction; doesn't have an uncle Ben or Captain Stacy and even has different powers, like not having a Spider Sense.
Won't make the twist any less dumb, but I bet they'll try.
Kids mad cus a fictional characters parents aren’t abusive 💀
Strict
The minute someone said that Spiderman man 2099 gonna be antagonist I was like...ok. I get off here. Glad I did