I gotta level with you here, as a bisexual guy, I agree with the LGBT community being hypocrites. I'm all for loving who you love, regardless of gender, but sometimes we fuck up.
There are people that, like you, are cool in the LGBT community. Some of my good friends are gay or bi but the ones that treat it like a religion are crazy af lol
It specifically the LA left winged(or right?) I don't actually know left or right the political agenda is. But they are so dhumb, especially treating LGBT characters, they'd be thinking Gay people comes with a set status quo or set personality and agenda when in reality gay people just want to live their life like any other people do. And then they used LGBTQ community as a shield to promote their dhum agendas is just really stupid
@@veen-a2092 Eh to be fair the ironic thing is left and right wing media sorts depict LGBTQ more or less the same and minus afew factors seem to view em as the same in most ways despite when the side not for LGBTQ represented such the same way they called it bigoted and such.. as weird as that sounds its a fact its like'' its only good/okay if we do it.. but bad when the other side does it '' despite its nearly 1 for one the same exact written depiction both sides do and frankly I see the left wingers who are supposed to be for LGBTG folks do worse and more offensive depictions then the right wingers have done as a whole towards the LGBTQ community .. ya its weird but that seems to be the standard we got at this point
Have to say I have seen some bigotry towards bi guys like yourself saying you're for lack of a better word "glory hogging". It disgusts me, bi people exist and are valid.
Its ironic how the LGBT community is often hella Bi and Ace phobic. Often they dont even think we face discrimination. However, i don’t like the video guy’s opinion on trans people. Im personally not interrested in the combination of woman with penis so i totally get not being attracted to trans people, plus they come with other things such as, having to take hormones, possibly needing extra emotional support cause of dysphoria, obvious infertility. Stigma for dating a trans woman, being seen as gay (as a man) if you do. But i feel its unfair to describe trans women as “men masqerading as women” (Im biromantic asexual. As in i dont want sex but i wanna hold the shit out of my girlfriend’s hand and live the rest of my life with her abd kiss her… i love her a lot.)
I remember how long ago was said, "Harley Quinn will exist as long as the Joker lives", implying that there was still hope for her, that deep down, she was just a desesperated and crazy woman in love with the wrong guy and she still had hope to be one day a better and normal person...but now, that is not the case...she is crazy and even after finally break up with the Joker, she is still out there bring a criminal most of the time...thought I can see why people like those two and latelly there are good writters for them, It was not the original idea. I also, I do agree that is quite annoying how now days no one can be friends with anyone or they will be shipped, liked or not...
@Megatron Leader of The Decpticons I know! I still remember as a kid, I watched the series and thought, "Wow, she is very fun and I love her costume, BUT I don't want a relationship like the one she has with the Joker", its crazy but crazy show me as a kid about toxic relationships and if I was ever in a similar situation as her...just run, run as far away as possible...yet somehow now for people she is a simbol of "girl power"...just...wha? -3-
@@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942 I symbol of girl power??? How lol? 🤣 She's assist Joker in countless schemes, some if not most end in dead people. Crimes she to this day hasn't answered for btw. I also hate how she can just handle any situation she's in now all because she's crazy but hey comics 🙄
I have always thought this harley and ivy thing was kinda forced but now you opened me up to the fact that it was kind of going against her charecter development. Why would she leave one maniac for one another and one who is genocidal.
It’s like frollo and Sam from lord of the rings They are best friends and that’s it People think they should be a couple but I say no You can be the same gender and be best friends
here is what i've noticed in fanfiction circle. some creators like write canonically straight characters gay and they think its cool and all. but if someone even thinks of writing a gay character straight, they get all hot and angry. i mean, why is one ok and the other isn't ok? there's that hypocrisy again.
I'm gay, you weren't homophobic at all. The LGBTQ don't represent all gay people like a nation not being representative of all its inhabitants belief. There seems to be this overreaching in both advertisment and stunts that at this point I don't know who wants these things. It not only give knock off representation but you can see there is no effort in it. The comic world is so big in DC and Marvel yet they treat it as if they can't make anymore new characters.
Ikr!! I for one hate that they are using LGBT as propaganda in story telling instead of a character simply being an LGBT character. And they don't want to make one up because that requires creativity which is sorely lacking 🙄
Thank you for your response! I often clash with "toxic" and aggressive LGBTQ members or wannabes (who knows?) and sometimes I doubt my position as being logical and start to think that maybe I'm intolerant. You're totally right!
As a gay male I appreciate you , for without you , more of my kind couldn't not be born, we are all human and a symbiosis is needed for our society to continue and grow better
Remember when people thought that Sam and Bucky were gay in TFAWS, and when Anthony Mackie said they weren't, people lost their minds and said Mackie is homophobic?
Small Correction: Maeve's girlfriend in the show explicitly states that Maeve is Bisexual but it's Vought that decides to "make it more cut and dry and just make her gay" Hell,in season 3 she sleeps with a prominent male Character so it's not going against her Character,it's commenting on how her Sexuality is being used to market to a community just for more dollar bills for the company Shareholders. I brought this up on a video talking about the new Justice League and how I don't like the new interpretation of Kaldur aka Aqualad and my main issue starts from the fact that this Character started out as a black hero on Young Justice who not only was introduced with having a female Love interest but also was a great Leader. Then post season 3 and the only identification this Character has is being "Bisexual" with his boyfriend. It feels a little weird growing up as a fan of this Character when he was just an unknown black Hero,but now he's in the Justice League and he's getting a Charlize Theron produced film,but only if he's Bisexual and is only seen with a Boyfriend.
It goes against her character because she's probably not gay in the comics. In fact Vought saying they have to market her sexuality is basically what is happening IRL right now and they said it out loud.
@@TheUnseenPath well In that case light as well not changes anything from the comics and just adapt everything straight up no matter the amount of improvements the show made, don't you think?
@@emperorxero9626 lol your totally right, got my season fumbled. It's been a hot minute since I watched the series. I get that he's gay in the comics, but in the first 2 seasons he wasn't. It's a bit baffling why they changed his sexual preference in the 3rd season. The third season has a ton of problems but that's a topic for another day.
Fans: But these characters are straight. Why can’t you respect continuity and lore? The Media: That was before we said beep it! We don’t have honor anything we make when we’re this woke and powerful.
Ruins kids? Imagine being so imbecil thinking that being LGBT is ruined but hetero is god. I can't even think that a lot of grown people have a so simple mindset.
@@brandoncold1027 I mean more the oversexualization of homosexuals in television. Typically when there's a homosexual on stuff I've seen their sex life becomes a big part of their character.
I'm sick of them not having a equal amount of black heterosexual relationships. They always write the black characters as single, gay, in a toxic relationship or in a interracial relationship. Its as if they don't want to show black love on screen. Very disturbing. They never have relationships like Thor, Captain America , hawk eye, iron man, aqua man...and the list goes on an on.....
Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I may be, but I think storm and black panther are a really good example of a working black couple. Also they are just so cute together and I think they even had a kid
@@emperorxero9626 Yeah he got Dumbledore'd for the sake of tokenization and virtue signalling; no one asked for it and it had no impact on his place in the story (such as Overwatch's story is)
Bumblebee? As in the transformer? 🤨🤔 I must have missed that. How the fuck is a transformer supposed to be straight or gay? They do not sexually reproduce or even have any organs or even have the need for sex or romantic relationships. Frankly I don't even know why they have genders. If anything there some sort of asexual biotech species.
You’re totally right with this one! Great video! I don’t know how you feel on this but I’ve always wanted to see someone talk about how Marvel did Iron Man dirty in their comics since Civil War came out. They took the great hero who made mistakes into a mustache twirling out of character monster just because they couldn’t handle subtle subjects on the acts going on in the real world at the time. So they made it as basic as good vs evil while ruining him. He’s back to himself now but man they did him dirty. Sorry, I’m just a huge Iron Man but keep up great works with the videos!
No need to apologize I'm huge into comics. But yeah Stark's character never really recovered after the Civil War storyline. I was so happy when Thor kicked his ass. The only reason they even tried to make him better afterward is because of the popularity of the movies
Ah A fellow dictator returns You know, I'm convinced that the people who use superboy as evidence for Tim being bi probably never had a genuine friendship
Why is it so hard for the LGBT community to acknowledge people who are bisexual? It's just black and white to them: you're either gay or straight. You have to pick a side and there is no in-between.
@realdavidjones1623 but why make him something he's not. Like Bobby and Tim this doesn't make any sense for them to do in charther given there long established history and inner monologs. Are we as the reader supposed to disregard anything and everything we've reas up till this point because a new writer says so?
I love how you chose all the worst examples to criticize. You also completely lost me the moment you identified as super straight. No one is out here trying to keep you from identifying as straight, and they certainly aren’t trying to send you to a “sexual orientation correction camp” (yes, those exist and are pretty much as horrible as they sound). I don’t disagree with your main premise, that’s why I’m here, but you literally made all the worst arguments to support your claim.
Going back to why Pride parades exist, I'm pretty sure that it's just a form of acceptance. There are so many people and so many cultures around the world where if you were to come out as gay, you can be ridiculed, shunned, and even killed over something as dumb as preferring someone of the same sex. So many people have been kicked out of their families simply because of being different. These parades exist to show that there ARE people that will love and accept you for who you are and there is nothing wrong with being gay, even if your culture says otherwise or where you come from says otherwise.
So what you're saying is that you don't like it when gay characters are the focus of a story, and instead prefer them to be limited to side characters that have little to no bearing on the overall story. Totally the opinion of someone who has nothing against gay people.
@KingNazaru From one Christian to another, I was misanthropic long before it got this bad... This for me in vindication while I'm trying to break that habit, and I hate it. Because just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
This trope killed Harley Quinn. The character, unless she's presented in her classic mold, is no longer interesting. Her book doesn't sell, movies centered around her fail, the crazed twitter junkies have taken a character that had a fair amount of goodwill, and made her radioactive. If it wasn't for race swapping, the sexuality swap would be my most hated gimmick. Aside from being gross, lazy behavior, not creative, at all, it starts the conversation, the "us vs them" narrative, and for that, anyone who brings this into the writers' room should be shown the door, immediately. Oh and I'm very tired of the "Well, they were always gay. The signs were there". No! That is called a retcon, and a bad one. Perverts. Even decades of history, like with Ice Man, or Velma, these degenerates do this.
I'm someone who grew up with good movies and good shows. I used to get excited after coming home from school and getting my homework done tuning in to watch shows like Gargoyles, Teen Titans, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Static Shock, Justice League Unlimited, etc. It felt fun to watch, and you know the writers had fun making it. But now, with activism taking over programs, it feels so incredibly forced. No one is enjoying watching it, and I'm pretty sure no one enjoyed making it. And my question is why? Why kill your show with activism and spitting on people who were willing to give it a chance?
Man I use to have so much fun watching those shows and the Toonami block was fire! Before I had no idea what people were talking about when they'd say "Nothing good is on TV, at the movies, etc." Now that statement is true for just about anything 😑
@@emperorxero9626 I know, right? Whatever happened to entertainment for entertainment's sake? Static Shock would have subtle messages about gang violence and school shootings, but they made it subtle enough to teach kids while entertaining them. Now it's forcing nonsense down our throats like a plunger forces crap down a toilet. And if you don't like crap, then apparently you're a "toxic Nazi bigot" on Twitter.
Here’s an idea for a functioning lesbian or gay relationships (or any relationship at that) that they never even try to exploit. Create a character whose very antisocial, but everybody likes them maybe bc they’re talented or rich , and because of that they don’t know how to interact with people they like and form meaningful relationships. Then you have a character whose very extroverted and nobody really dislikes them but nobody actually wants to be around them. These two characters have a sort of dynamic. The second character can teach the first character to express themselves more, maybe show them how to socialise and interact better. As a result they grow to like the second character and want to be around them more. This as a result means the first character gets something they always wanted and both of them get a meaningful relationship with one another. However, nobody fucking does this. In every gay relationship the two characters just like each other inexplicably for the sake of a relationship existing and their whole dynamic is that they’re both gay. It’s extremely boring character relations.
To be fair, they're some gay relationships that a little bit more than that but overall they just do a big spin before getting there ("scheme" of a gay romance). Like, characters are struggling whole season but the audience ultimately knows that they will end up together for various reasons.
Or make them normal people and don't focus on the gay aspect of them. You can also show their relationship can go sour instead of being perfect. Charlie from Hazbin Hotel fits the former. Great character, gay, but not center stage musical gay.
You mean characters with actual personnalities and developpement arc that complement and support each other in a dynamic beneficial to the storyline? Agree. Why does it have to be so difficult? I have a test personnally: "If the romance doesn't exist, what remain of your character and their purpose". Unless the answer is "most of it" for BOTH, it needs rework.
The line that has everyone thinking Pam and harleen are an item. Was "you have to take all your shots so we can play together." Harley quinn's total commitment to a bit allowed her to get the drop on the batman several times.
Great video dude But, if you don't know, they also turned Wolverine and Star-Lord bi, Black Mask and Venom gay and Lando pansexual Why? Cause he bangs washings machines ( I actually meant robots)
The CW sucks They force gay characters in shows like Supergirl, Batgirl and make that the only reason to root for the character despite the fact it has nothing to with them being an unlikable jerk. Mary Sue character do this all the time.
With the video in the boys about the plane incident. The Deep got the phone where the plane crashed and gave it to her to black mail Homelander. So Maeve could get him back into the Seven.
yeah william was way better in the comics, the overcommital focus on dating as a front before coming out of the closet makes sense (at least to me), and he was mark's best friend first and foremost besides that good video bro keep it up
I hate the world we live I'm a straight male and I'm frustrated with people saying "oh all men are trash""your being sexist for not liking transgender or not being gay" "pff oh woman can't sexually haraset men" I'm done with this Earth
re: Iceman, and more broadly the argument of "just don't have him date anyone". it is very common for gay people, especially gay men to date women while closeted and often but not always the other person knows. it's why we use the term beard. when you're not out you often feel like you have to do certain things to "keep up appearances"; to say nothing of the fact that sexuality is fluid; not everyone knows what they are into immediately, and as we grow we can often realize things about ourselves. a more specifically comic book point though: it's unrealistic given the medium to expect a character to never change. the best way to look at it in my opinion is this: every run is a reboot. whenever a new creative team takes on a title it's as if everything else never happened unless they want to use it moving forward.
I too was under the impression that unless a specific author makes an effort to build off a previous comic run, everything can be considered a soft reboot.
Like I'm assuming the parade argument comes down to the fact that LGBTQ members were discriminated against a lot before, and to some extent still is, while that doesn't really happen to straight people. I believe everyone should be allowed to have pride about their sexuality, but when straight people hold parades for them being straight it looks more like a mockery towards the LGBTQ parades. Not saying what I'm saying is a fact, that's just my guess. I think it's kinda like how there's a huge dedication to making African Americans feel seen and respected, but if an all white group demands a month for themselves, it's obviously gonna draw some comparisons to certain white supremacist groups
THANK YOU!! I can't express how happy I am you called out their BS. This is something I've noticed about these people is that they are incredibly toxic and close-minded. They would bash a character they like's hetero love interest, and would look for any excuse on Earth to bash that character and will not admit they are wrong. It is also a garbage logic that just because you read a character as gay, straight, or bi and use that as means to say that this character is queer when it's just what your getting out of it. And when you say that as undisputable proof then it makes you come across as a self-entitled jackass. Now I wanted to talk about what I have personally seen if people are willing to listen. Now look, I personally don't like Tim and Steph because of how the relationship itself turned out in post-crisis (with Bruce's manipulation, Tim's absent attitude, and that he was already in a relationship when he kissed Steph) but despite that, the way these people treat Steph as the abusive stalker baffles me when Tim did not treat Steph fairly at all; and despite this TimKon shippers would bash Steph over and over again when she was the mistreated one in the relationship and was the one who realized this near the end of post-crisis when she rejected Tim. I also like that you emphasize that not all queer folk are bad, and I know that gay people can be really good people and fun to hangout with. I agree that these select few of them are hypocritical. When I called out a guy on Tumblr for being a dick. He called me a homophobe for no reason other then I was defending a straight ship and telling him about his terrible attitude. When I criticized the problems with his gay ships, he said straight people don't know/don't have a right to criticize their pairings. THEN WHAT RIGHT DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE!? Thank you for listening to my ted rant, have a nice day.
Not gonna lie, that intro is fucking amazing. Who knew that a movie about a raging berserk monster of madness destroying everything on screen would be the perfect representation of today's subject. As for the hypocrisy of the alphabet, Dave Chappelle said it best with his Daphne Dorman part on the Closer stand-up a few weeks ago. They made poor Jon gay as well. It just never ends. As for Maggie from Supergirl, she was supposed to be "Not Renee Montoya / Female Question" but they didn't have the rights. The Queen Maeve shit is also dumb as fuck. If the show went the extra dark route of her being a lesbian due to the other heroes running a train on her, as they did with Starlight in the comics, that would be something to explore. Instead it's woke points. It could have been an interesting change from the comics since they changed so much to be more contemporary. Oh the reason Kitty is bisexual is because Bendis loves bisexual jewish women. I'm sorry I'm not making this up. It's also why he had Bobby Drake come out of the closet the moment he got the title because Bobby dared to be with his waifu. I'm sorry but I'm also not making this up. It just shows the sad reality of comics these days, where fanboys and sick shippers get to essentially control the characters that have been loved by generations. Oh and remember : apparently Iceman was so super Giga-Gay that Northstar's famous gaydar couldn't even detect him because he was so gay, so gayer than Northstar, that Northstar only saw him as straight. I'm also not making this up, they literally used this excuse in the comics to justify why Iceman never got it on with Northstar despite the latter expressing his love for Bobby many, many times in the past. Also, try using that Geas of yours my guy, the title of Emperor doesn't mean much nowadays 😸
A couple comments Pride parades: I agree that in a lot of ways, pride parades are mostly for show and don't actually get anything done, but equating a straight parade to a pride parade is dumb. The reason pride parades exist is because being gay is not actually socially ok yet. Yes, there are probably millions of people that accept gay, bi, ace, etc. Sexualities, but it takes one bigot with a gun to ruin any kind of protection. Straight parades are intentionally poking at the "imbalanced" social acceptance of being gay versus being straight. On that topic: Super straight: I find this whole ordeal genuinely funny, because when I first heard about it, it was through a meme and I thought it was a joke, but now I know it's real, and incredibly stupid. The literal intention was petty "revenge" and does not deserve to be acknowledged. No, this does not mean you can't be heterosexual and not acknowledge trans folk. That's your sexuality, and thus your prerogative, but saying people are angry because of your sexuality being super straight is making a mountain out of an anthill. Also I've heard the term super straight has ties to the SS, which is the abbreviation for the Nazi army, although I have no idea if that's true or speculation. "Coming out of the closet" metaphor: again, I agree that there's a lot of double standards here, but again I think it's justified. For hundreds of years, and in well over half the world in current day, you could get tortured, psychologically harmed, removed from social groups (families, religious outlets, etc.) Because of your sexuality. The reason the coming out of the closet is so important for quiltbag folks is because you are essentially saying "I have been hiding, but I trust [people I'm talking to] enough to talk about my sexuality." You will never be hurt for saying you're hetero (unless the people around you are so far left that they feel it's bad, but that is a very small minority). Ice man's "why don't you date a guy" situation: this is a lot more nuanced than you think irl. Yes, the comics are absolutely using tokenization and I'm not even going to try to deny that, but irl have you noticed how quickly it seems people come out as gay? This also applies to supergirl's sister. She mentions she never felt right when dating guys, and felt better when hanging around other girls. While not expressly stated in Iceman's case, this feels like the same situation. A gay person can go years, even decades, without realizing they're gay because of so, so, so many factors around them. Societal pressure, religion, the people they surround themselves with, the media they consume, etc. A perfect example is MrBeast's friend coming out as trans pretty recently. They had a wife and children before they came to terms with their gender; that wasn't an overnight thing, that was years in the making, and they probably won't entirely accept the transition until years after because of all the backlash and comments people have been making online.
They are even trying to say that Aragorn was gay for Boromir because he kissed him on the forehead just after Boromir died, same for Sam and Frodo, i'm not excited for the new LOTR show.
Comics have been making radical character changes that will get them praise from a handful of articles by people who will never by a comic either way. And in doing so cast aside the dwindling group of people that actually care about the comic industry
Yeah been noticing that a lot big time in comics when you see what happen with Besty and Racheal just making them into a couple out of the blue when the two never been showed into the same sex for a long time. And the same with making Black Cat Bi for no reason.
I remember watching RWBY. I remember the badass fight scenes. But after recent seasons I'm done. Especially with that forced as hell Bumblebee ship. Never once was there prove they liked each other. The fact they do this and disrespect Omn is just upsetting. I'm so glad the show isn't do well with ratings. Hope it gets canceled before other seasons
Great video emperor! That editing skill is off the chart. One of the most ridiculous attempts at this I've seen in recent years was the implication that Cyclops, Jean Grey and Wolverine all go to pound town together and not in that order. Did you ever get around to seeing that bit?
Straight Pride Parade is not about being proud of being straight. This is just face value. SPP is just a protest to a protest. It's like the All Lives Matter thing. It's just face value.
The superstraight part makes no sense tbh dude like you get praise for coming out the closet because of how brave it is and in most cases I know the parents disowned the child for it and they get shunned for love.
I haven't watched all of Supergirl but I watched the first two or three seasons and I thought them making Maggie gay was so stupid just because it felt shoehorned. There was never any hint or indication that she was gay, (her love life was largely ignored in the first season) except that they set up a potential future romance between her and Maxwell Lord in the first season. The gay thing seemed to come out of nowhere even though it was vaguely hinted in the first season that she had feelings for men (if they'd done the whole bad guy falls in love with the good guy thing it still would have been stupid but still). It's clear that the writers at CW don't know what they're doing, fighting each other and changing characters, story arcs and plots from season to season to fit whatever narrative they're trying to spin. Tokenization in this regard is a symptom, not the primary problem. The primary problem with CW, and modern comics and movies is that most big businesses feel as though they don't need to shell out top dollar for passionate and experienced writers who know how to write good characters, dialogue or stories. So they hand off the work to amateurs for political reasons (I assume companies like Marvel feel like they can accept the economic hole left by bad comic runs because they make so much in returns from the movies and merchandise), selling shows, games and comics etc. on name recognition alone because the franchises are "too big to fail". I know good writing is still possible with the write team and vision. I was blown away by the Netflix series "Mindhunters" which has an excellent cast, story, acting and most importantly, dialogue. Honestly I was blown away by how good the dialogue is. I don't think there's a wasted piece of spoken word in that show. That show opened my eyes to how bad dialogue and conversation has become in a lot of entertainment. Contrary to what some people think, I don't believe that the western entertainment industry is devoid of writing and directing talent. I just think a lot of the best in the industry aren't getting the spotlight they deserve because companies don't see the need for it. Thus you get shows written by hacks who fill them with bad jokes, political messaging as subtle as a trainwreck and tokenism to "appeal to wider demographics".
Did you mean Alex? Because Maggie's always been gay lol. She's actually a love interest for Batwoman so I have no idea who she's dating on her show but I heard that relationships are worse than ever on Batwoman. But yeah Alex coming out of the closet felt super forced and it just felt like we were wasting time on that instead of more important thing's like finding her missing Dad but nooooooo Lesbian troubles come first 😒 I wish people would go back to prioritizing good content first instead of play LGBT roulette Mindhunters is good you say? What's it about?
@@emperorxero9626 Mindhunters is historical fiction about two FBI agents in the 1970s-80s who interview different serial killers in an attempt to create a profile to define serial killers. I believe it's based off a book written either about them or written by one of the two agents in real life. It's really good regardless and one of the main lead in the show struggles with being a lesbian. Except in this show it doesn't define their entire character and there's actual consequences and issues raised because of their sexual orientation.
When people started talking about gay undertones for luca, I got very confused. Because I had not seen the film at the time until a few months later after it came out. And I have gotten the idea that the two were brothers. So I just thought it was discussing that people were coupling two brothers. Even their energy and dynamic when I did watch the film felt like an older brother and a younger brother. Even though they were literally just friends.
This, all of this. Regardless of one's thoughts or feelings about gay marriage, homosexuality, or anything else, gay people exist and are therefore valid subject matter for storytelling, but I absolutely despise the gaywashing that happens in entertainment with established properties today. It's like the second that someone gets gaywashed, they almost always cease to be a three-dimensional character. Their entire personality suddenly gets reduced to "look how gay I am! Aren't I so gay? All of my thoughts, actions, and problems in my super gay life are about how gay I am! Everything in my entire life revolves around who I want to sleep with!" Don't even get me started on the disingenuous way people "respect continuity" by acknowledging their past straight relationships while trying to sell us on the idea that they just decided they also swing both ways all of a sudden by making characters bisexual. Like you said, that tracks a lot more with women because unlike men, women are a lot less rigid in their sexuality, but in almost every case in which it's done, it's done just about as horribly done as plain old gaywashing. Make your own dang characters and put in the work to make them popular on their own merits, dangit! (God forbid, they do it because they think it'll automatically gain them the established audience and pre-existing popularity when tokenization only kills both). One thing I can think of actually handles gay characters very well of the top of my head is The Walking Dead. Eric is a bit of a stereotypical "gay romantic partner" archetype since he has such little character beyond his relationship to Aaron, but Aaron himself is actually a legit, well-rounded and likable character with fleshed out desires, fears, virtues, flaws, and motivations, and he even has a completely platonic friendship with Daryl through their shared motivations and shared personality traits. Terra's the same way too, a perfectly well-rounded, relatable, and believable character, and she was basically established as unambiguously gay from the get-go, too. As much as I generally hate race swapping since it's equally as arbitrary and done for nothing other than cheap brownie points with people who usually aren't even fans of the original material anyway, gaywashing might actually be worse imo because of how in your face annoying it is...
I hate that Black Cat is bisexual now. Not just because of the obvious tokenization, but Catwoman is already bisexual. Everything Catwoman does, Black Cat does too, Marvel can't separate the character apart from DC's Cat girl for some reason
I fucking called it, I said they would make Jonny gay and guess what they did, they made jonny “bisexual”. Here’s the proof. EVS was actually right… wow
Ok, your words of “best friends are not lovers” are something the planet needs to hear. I’ve seen MANY ships where some girls happen only because they’ve known each other since childhood. My Hero Academia is a victim of this horseshit It’s blatantly obvious that Deku and Ochako like each other! The mangaka stated that Deku is straight, those two are blushing but adorable idiots when they’re close to each other or when someone points that out. Yet *EVERYBODY* ships Deku with either Todoroki or Bakugou! The latter feels more like a toxic relationship
My best friend is gay. When I told him about what Marvel did to Bobby Drake, he found it to be forced and disrespectful to the character. Not to mention how Tim Drake was suddenly bi not long after Superman's son came out as gay
To answer your question at the end I feel your a little of both. You made some good points about how disappointing representation on the subject can be. But your assumption about gay peoples experience and their motivation is honestly tone deaf and at times disrespectful. I think that it is not appropriate to define someone's experience/motivations when you are not a member of this group. for example, it is completely inappropriate for me to make assumptions of what it is like to give birth, because i will never know because it is beyond the realm of my experience. i can understand what it is like to be marginalized like a minority, but only within the limits of my sexuality. A good example is when you were about talking about the show supergirl and Alex’s coming out plot line. You made it seem like because it was 2016 that coming out should be easy unless you come from a strict household or a super religious and conservative family. Not understanding even if you have supportive family, friends in your life it doesn’t guarantee it will be easy. Everyone deals with it in a certain way. When and how someone comes out is a very individual and personal decision. And to have a straight person talk about how easy anything is for a gay person is short sighted and disrespectful. what you doesn't appear to realize is that you can't understand the topic. Like your comment on the gay pride parade being stupid. I mean your entitled to your opinion and I’m sure their are lgbt people who might feel the same. But to me you don’t seem like you understand the events historical importance. I mean I won’t pretend like I do either but I can at least see why it’s important for many. Especially since it was started in a time where being gay was practically a death sentence. So while it may seem hypocritically to reject the existence of straight pride, what you fail to realize it's just an example of privilege. You can't understand the importance and celebration of representation because it has never been an issue that has affected you personally. i mean i know words like "privilege" and "phobia" are often overused or misappropriated, but they still have meaning despite that.
Yeah he does sound really disrespectful when talking about the whole supergirl show and it heing 2016. Also the gay pride parade, like dude come on, yes it is celebrity our sexually and how proud and happy we are to be out, but to get to that point the LGBT community went through some horrible shit. Being killed for just who we love and disowned.
Before i saw Luca i was told that the main character and his friend are gay and i was like okay I'll check it out. After i watched the movie I'm convinced people never had any friends when they were kids. The things they do in the movie is typical kids being friends stuff nothing gay there. Just because 2 characters in a movie are acting really kind with eachother doesn't mean they're in a relationship or will be my point is amplified when talking about kids because they're kids not understanding what sex is and just having fun. It really pisses me off when people ship kids in shows because they're kids
Pride used to have a point. It was a protest of institutional homophobia... Now... It's Rio De Janeiro Carnaval. Basically for Straight people to feel tolerant and accepting (Superior) & get laid. And for Non Cis-Straights to be clowns. I been only to about two or three. And every time got more pissed off. Not thanks. I'm cis, gay & and married.
now people have always told me my intelligence is so low it's off the charts however I am going to change the minds and enlighten every person who shall dare to read this. if character A and character B (male and female) are developed in a compelling and believable way it makes a romance between the 2 not seem forced or fake. that's how literature works. it is absolutely unfathomable to me as to why studios cannot comprehend this and simply do the same for same-sex characters and instead decide to shoehorn the "gay" part into already existing character causing the quality of writing to instantly take a nosedive because of this glaring flaw it has. the morale of the story MAKE NEW CHARACTERS AND DEVELOP THEN SAME AS ANY OTHER CHARACTERS THEN IF U CHOSE TO ROMANCE THEM IT won't SEEM/FEEL FORCED AND ULTIMATELY FLAWED.
If any character in Luca was gay I though it was the two lady’s or are they sisters I think Harley should stay in the suicide squad but Harley and Ivy being an item is something I’m fine with Tim Drake and Superboy is the only way Tim could even be Bi he hasn’t shown any other interest in males honestly I kinda want to see Tim and Stephanie stay together then get married
Hal Jordan: Flash! My Boy! Idiots: oh my god it queer coded. Hal Jordan is in love with Barry Allen. Hal: Barry you got something on your nose. Idiots: oh my god it queer coded Barry Allen is in love with Batman You know the only original character who is gay character that was written with actual respect and good character was Miguel Montez from Dial H from Hero. (Miguel could be Bisexual Summer’s counterpart, Lobo kick girl calls Miguel’s counterpart, Miguel the street her Boo, but Original Miguel and Summer are just friends, completely platonic)
There are some cool LGBT characters out there like Miguel Montez and if a character have legitimate subtext of being or wanting to be gay that is perfect fine but characters can't just be gay of representation only
I gotta level with you here, as a bisexual guy, I agree with the LGBT community being hypocrites. I'm all for loving who you love, regardless of gender, but sometimes we fuck up.
There are people that, like you, are cool in the LGBT community. Some of my good friends are gay or bi but the ones that treat it like a religion are crazy af lol
It specifically the LA left winged(or right?) I don't actually know left or right the political agenda is. But they are so dhumb, especially treating LGBT characters, they'd be thinking Gay people comes with a set status quo or set personality and agenda when in reality gay people just want to live their life like any other people do. And then they used LGBTQ community as a shield to promote their dhum agendas is just really stupid
@@veen-a2092 Eh to be fair the ironic thing is left and right wing media sorts depict LGBTQ more or less the same and minus afew factors seem to view em as the same in most ways despite when the side not for LGBTQ represented such the same way they called it bigoted and such.. as weird as that sounds its a fact its like'' its only good/okay if we do it.. but bad when the other side does it '' despite its nearly 1 for one the same exact written depiction both sides do and frankly I see the left wingers who are supposed to be for LGBTG folks do worse and more offensive depictions then the right wingers have done as a whole towards the LGBTQ community .. ya its weird but that seems to be the standard we got at this point
Have to say I have seen some bigotry towards bi guys like yourself saying you're for lack of a better word "glory hogging".
It disgusts me, bi people exist and are valid.
Its ironic how the LGBT community is often hella Bi and Ace phobic.
Often they dont even think we face discrimination.
However, i don’t like the video guy’s opinion on trans people. Im personally not interrested in the combination of woman with penis so i totally get not being attracted to trans people, plus they come with other things such as, having to take hormones, possibly needing extra emotional support cause of dysphoria, obvious infertility. Stigma for dating a trans woman, being seen as gay (as a man) if you do.
But i feel its unfair to describe trans women as “men masqerading as women”
(Im biromantic asexual. As in i dont want sex but i wanna hold the shit out of my girlfriend’s hand and live the rest of my life with her abd kiss her… i love her a lot.)
I really like the term “Alphabet Mafia.”
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XD
Sounds like a sesame street villain
BRUH HELP 😭
I remember how long ago was said, "Harley Quinn will exist as long as the Joker lives", implying that there was still hope for her, that deep down, she was just a desesperated and crazy woman in love with the wrong guy and she still had hope to be one day a better and normal person...but now, that is not the case...she is crazy and even after finally break up with the Joker, she is still out there bring a criminal most of the time...thought I can see why people like those two and latelly there are good writters for them, It was not the original idea.
I also, I do agree that is quite annoying how now days no one can be friends with anyone or they will be shipped, liked or not...
Unfortunately words like "platonic" and "friendship" don't mean much anymore 🙄
@Megatron Leader of The Decpticons I know! I still remember as a kid, I watched the series and thought, "Wow, she is very fun and I love her costume, BUT I don't want a relationship like the one she has with the Joker", its crazy but crazy show me as a kid about toxic relationships and if I was ever in a similar situation as her...just run, run as far away as possible...yet somehow now for people she is a simbol of "girl power"...just...wha? -3-
@@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942 I symbol of girl power??? How lol? 🤣 She's assist Joker in countless schemes, some if not most end in dead people. Crimes she to this day hasn't answered for btw. I also hate how she can just handle any situation she's in now all because she's crazy but hey comics 🙄
I have always thought this harley and ivy thing was kinda forced but now you opened me up to the fact that it was kind of going against her charecter development. Why would she leave one maniac for one another and one who is genocidal.
@@emperorxero9626 Welcome to the internet. Our attractions are tumblr, Twitter, and Rule 34.
It’s like frollo and Sam from lord of the rings
They are best friends and that’s it
People think they should be a couple but I say no
You can be the same gender and be best friends
I little louder for the people in back 👏👏👏
*Frodo*
They better never let woke Hollywood redo the lord of the rings movies they will make them gay mark my words
Sam is literally in love with Rosie
@@KingNazaru my bad
Another example is they can question everybody’s sexuality, but if you question if a person is really a bisexual etc they freak out.
Right! Like so you're sure about your sexuality but I'm not? The hell lol
here is what i've noticed in fanfiction circle. some creators like write canonically straight characters gay and they think its cool and all. but if someone even thinks of writing a gay character straight, they get all hot and angry.
i mean, why is one ok and the other isn't ok? there's that hypocrisy again.
Because straight characters are a dime a dozen, and nobody thinks you're writing gay slash fiction cause you hate straight people.
I'm gay, you weren't homophobic at all. The LGBTQ don't represent all gay people like a nation not being representative of all its inhabitants belief.
There seems to be this overreaching in both advertisment and stunts that at this point I don't know who wants these things. It not only give knock off representation but you can see there is no effort in it. The comic world is so big in DC and Marvel yet they treat it as if they can't make anymore new characters.
Ikr!! I for one hate that they are using LGBT as propaganda in story telling instead of a character simply being an LGBT character. And they don't want to make one up because that requires creativity which is sorely lacking 🙄
Sadly companies will do it with any minority because they like pandering to the audience without providing meaning.
Thank you for your response! I often clash with "toxic" and aggressive LGBTQ members or wannabes (who knows?) and sometimes I doubt my position as being logical and start to think that maybe I'm intolerant. You're totally right!
It's great to be Straight. Hell yeah it is.
As a gay male I appreciate you , for without you , more of my kind couldn't not be born, we are all human and a symbiosis is needed for our society to continue and grow better
No
yes
Remember when people thought that Sam and Bucky were gay in TFAWS, and when Anthony Mackie said they weren't, people lost their minds and said Mackie is homophobic?
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Small Correction: Maeve's girlfriend in the show explicitly states that Maeve is Bisexual but it's Vought that decides to "make it more cut and dry and just make her gay"
Hell,in season 3 she sleeps with a prominent male Character so it's not going against her Character,it's commenting on how her Sexuality is being used to market to a community just for more dollar bills for the company Shareholders.
I brought this up on a video talking about the new Justice League and how I don't like the new interpretation of Kaldur aka Aqualad and my main issue starts from the fact that this Character started out as a black hero on Young Justice who not only was introduced with having a female Love interest but also was a great Leader.
Then post season 3 and the only identification this Character has is being "Bisexual" with his boyfriend.
It feels a little weird growing up as a fan of this Character when he was just an unknown black Hero,but now he's in the Justice League and he's getting a Charlize Theron produced film,but only if he's Bisexual and is only seen with a Boyfriend.
It goes against her character because she's probably not gay in the comics. In fact Vought saying they have to market her sexuality is basically what is happening IRL right now and they said it out loud.
@@TheUnseenPath well In that case light as well not changes anything from the comics and just adapt everything straight up no matter the amount of improvements the show made, don't you think?
When they made Kaldur gay in season 4 of Young Justice when throughout the first 3 seasons he was depicted as straight.
It was actually the 3rd season but I get what you're saying. He was straight for the longest time then out of the blue he's gay 😒
@@emperorxero9626 lol your totally right, got my season fumbled. It's been a hot minute since I watched the series.
I get that he's gay in the comics, but in the first 2 seasons he wasn't. It's a bit baffling why they changed his sexual preference in the 3rd season. The third season has a ton of problems but that's a topic for another day.
@@emperorxero9626 Yeah there seemed to be a lot virtue signaling in season 3. It got really annoying.
But I don't remember him ever definitively having a interest in women or men. Dude was flamboyant af too lmao.
@@blackiechan6078 My guy let tell you about a girl name Tula, the love he could never have.
Fans: But these characters are straight. Why can’t you respect continuity and lore?
The Media: That was before we said beep it! We don’t have honor anything we make when we’re this woke and powerful.
I know right lol 🤣
Woke is the wrong term
@@Legend-io4pz why?
If you aren’t allowed to criticize a movement, particularly a movement that targets and ruins kids, than that movement must, and WILL be, destroyed.
Amen to that
I second that
I remember the LGBT community showing kids their “activities”. What happened to laws against indecent exposure?
Ruins kids? Imagine being so imbecil thinking that being LGBT is ruined but hetero is god. I can't even think that a lot of grown people have a so simple mindset.
@@brandoncold1027 I mean more the oversexualization of homosexuals in television. Typically when there's a homosexual on stuff I've seen their sex life becomes a big part of their character.
I'm sick of them not having a equal amount of black heterosexual relationships. They always write the black characters as single, gay, in a toxic relationship or in a interracial relationship. Its as if they don't want to show black love on screen. Very disturbing. They never have relationships like Thor, Captain America , hawk eye, iron man, aqua man...and the list goes on an on.....
Never thought about it. It's really is strange. I mean, there's gotta be at least one relationship like this, right? It just makes sense.
I hope Isom gives us some relationships like that
Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I may be, but I think storm and black panther are a really good example of a working black couple. Also they are just so cute together and I think they even had a kid
@Alyssa-t she left hem for a white man aka wolverine
@@regantlew15 ouch. Didn’t know that. I just remember them being together and I thought it was cute
So glad you included Soldier: 76 and "Bumblebee" on your list
Yeah Soldier 76 came out of left field
@@emperorxero9626 Yeah he got Dumbledore'd for the sake of tokenization and virtue signalling; no one asked for it and it had no impact on his place in the story (such as Overwatch's story is)
@@silverscorpio24 They always try to find something to tokenize in that game smh
Bumblebee? As in the transformer? 🤨🤔 I must have missed that. How the fuck is a transformer supposed to be straight or gay? They do not sexually reproduce or even have any organs or even have the need for sex or romantic relationships. Frankly I don't even know why they have genders.
If anything there some sort of asexual biotech species.
@@emperorxero9626 are there straight relationships in Overwatch at this point?)
That intro was a fucking bop.
Thanks bro! ✌
Broly being the beast within the skit as Tokenization being a beast as that song plays. TRUE PEAK right there.
If characters are already gay that’s cool but characters like Harley and robin makes no sense to make gay
Nah not Cool.
You’re totally right with this one! Great video! I don’t know how you feel on this but I’ve always wanted to see someone talk about how Marvel did Iron Man dirty in their comics since Civil War came out. They took the great hero who made mistakes into a mustache twirling out of character monster just because they couldn’t handle subtle subjects on the acts going on in the real world at the time. So they made it as basic as good vs evil while ruining him. He’s back to himself now but man they did him dirty. Sorry, I’m just a huge Iron Man but keep up great works with the videos!
No need to apologize I'm huge into comics. But yeah Stark's character never really recovered after the Civil War storyline. I was so happy when Thor kicked his ass. The only reason they even tried to make him better afterward is because of the popularity of the movies
Ah
A fellow dictator returns
You know, I'm convinced that the people who use superboy as evidence for Tim being bi probably never had a genuine friendship
Never had a true friend and never read a comic lol
the new she-ra is exactly this. they were not lgbt in the original cartoon so they shouldn't be gayifying them. make new gay characters.
It's great to be straight have no shame for loving actual biological women. Long live the Emperor.
Coming out in the comics must give you a power boost. Because once Iceman came out he was somehow able to beat The Juggernaut.
Why is it so hard for the LGBT community to acknowledge people who are bisexual? It's just black and white to them: you're either gay or straight. You have to pick a side and there is no in-between.
As a gay man I can confirm the alphabet mafia is hypocritical and sometimes I don’t know what they doing and do not claim them
Peter quill gay? Say it ain't so 😭😭😭
He's apparently Bi now in the comics. It's so annoying 😒
@@emperorxero9626 but I did suspect he was though 🤔, its really not that deep
@realdavidjones1623 but why make him something he's not. Like Bobby and Tim this doesn't make any sense for them to do in charther given there long established history and inner monologs.
Are we as the reader supposed to disregard anything and everything we've reas up till this point because a new writer says so?
I love how you chose all the worst examples to criticize. You also completely lost me the moment you identified as super straight. No one is out here trying to keep you from identifying as straight, and they certainly aren’t trying to send you to a “sexual orientation correction camp” (yes, those exist and are pretty much as horrible as they sound). I don’t disagree with your main premise, that’s why I’m here, but you literally made all the worst arguments to support your claim.
Going back to why Pride parades exist, I'm pretty sure that it's just a form of acceptance. There are so many people and so many cultures around the world where if you were to come out as gay, you can be ridiculed, shunned, and even killed over something as dumb as preferring someone of the same sex. So many people have been kicked out of their families simply because of being different. These parades exist to show that there ARE people that will love and accept you for who you are and there is nothing wrong with being gay, even if your culture says otherwise or where you come from says otherwise.
Tim drake was attracted to jubilee of the xmen in the amalgam universe since when was he gay
None of those crossovers are even really canon, so anything that happens in them doesn't have to apply to the mainline series. Also different writers.
Great video! I had some quams with it at the start which i detailed in another comment, but overall great job.
Would tokenization incarnated into a person be of the Karen stereotype
Probably lol 😂
So what you're saying is that you don't like it when gay characters are the focus of a story, and instead prefer them to be limited to side characters that have little to no bearing on the overall story. Totally the opinion of someone who has nothing against gay people.
Someone give this guy a million subs my god
Thanks Buddy 😁
All the subs
I’m a Christian, but seeing stuff like this happening in the comics, makes me almost misanthropic.
Same here unfortunately
@KingNazaru
From one Christian to another, I was misanthropic long before it got this bad... This for me in vindication while I'm trying to break that habit, and I hate it.
Because just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
same
Scripture says love thy neighbor and as much as it shames me to admit it my love and patience has been running dry for a while.
@@kelvinsantiago7061 These are trying times.
In The Boys show, Queen Maeve is bi. There's a whole scene explicitly explaining it.
Bi. Lesbian. the point is she likes chicks lol
This trope killed Harley Quinn. The character, unless she's presented in her classic mold, is no longer interesting. Her book doesn't sell, movies centered around her fail, the crazed twitter junkies have taken a character that had a fair amount of goodwill, and made her radioactive. If it wasn't for race swapping, the sexuality swap would be my most hated gimmick. Aside from being gross, lazy behavior, not creative, at all, it starts the conversation, the "us vs them" narrative, and for that, anyone who brings this into the writers' room should be shown the door, immediately.
Oh and I'm very tired of the "Well, they were always gay. The signs were there". No! That is called a retcon, and a bad one. Perverts. Even decades of history, like with Ice Man, or Velma, these degenerates do this.
I'm someone who grew up with good movies and good shows. I used to get excited after coming home from school and getting my homework done tuning in to watch shows like Gargoyles, Teen Titans, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Static Shock, Justice League Unlimited, etc. It felt fun to watch, and you know the writers had fun making it. But now, with activism taking over programs, it feels so incredibly forced. No one is enjoying watching it, and I'm pretty sure no one enjoyed making it. And my question is why? Why kill your show with activism and spitting on people who were willing to give it a chance?
Man I use to have so much fun watching those shows and the Toonami block was fire! Before I had no idea what people were talking about when they'd say "Nothing good is on TV, at the movies, etc." Now that statement is true for just about anything 😑
@@emperorxero9626 I know, right? Whatever happened to entertainment for entertainment's sake? Static Shock would have subtle messages about gang violence and school shootings, but they made it subtle enough to teach kids while entertaining them. Now it's forcing nonsense down our throats like a plunger forces crap down a toilet. And if you don't like crap, then apparently you're a "toxic Nazi bigot" on Twitter.
Here’s an idea for a functioning lesbian or gay relationships (or any relationship at that) that they never even try to exploit.
Create a character whose very antisocial, but everybody likes them maybe bc they’re talented or rich , and because of that they don’t know how to interact with people they like and form meaningful relationships.
Then you have a character whose very extroverted and nobody really dislikes them but nobody actually wants to be around them.
These two characters have a sort of dynamic.
The second character can teach the first character to express themselves more, maybe show them how to socialise and interact better. As a result they grow to like the second character and want to be around them more.
This as a result means the first character gets something they always wanted and both of them get a meaningful relationship with one another.
However, nobody fucking does this. In every gay relationship the two characters just like each other inexplicably for the sake of a relationship existing and their whole dynamic is that they’re both gay. It’s extremely boring character relations.
To be fair, they're some gay relationships that a little bit more than that but overall they just do a big spin before getting there ("scheme" of a gay romance). Like, characters are struggling whole season but the audience ultimately knows that they will end up together for various reasons.
Or make them normal people and don't focus on the gay aspect of them. You can also show their relationship can go sour instead of being perfect. Charlie from Hazbin Hotel fits the former. Great character, gay, but not center stage musical gay.
You mean characters with actual personnalities and developpement arc that complement and support each other in a dynamic beneficial to the storyline?
Agree. Why does it have to be so difficult?
I have a test personnally: "If the romance doesn't exist, what remain of your character and their purpose". Unless the answer is "most of it" for BOTH, it needs rework.
The RWBY thing happened in the owl house as well
How so
I've never seen someone being called homophobic for not being gay?
The line that has everyone thinking Pam and harleen are an item. Was "you have to take all your shots so we can play together."
Harley quinn's total commitment to a bit allowed her to get the drop on the batman several times.
Omg 🤣
My boys back at it.
Back and ready for more ✌
Great video dude
But, if you don't know, they also turned Wolverine and Star-Lord bi, Black Mask and Venom gay and Lando pansexual
Why?
Cause he bangs washings machines ( I actually meant robots)
Wait Wolverine is Bi now too?? I thought that was just in another universe
@@emperorxero9626 I guess not anymore
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Also did i mention that in Venom Let there be Carnage they turned Eddi Bruck and Venom symbiot into a gay couple
@@ritanman9578 Bro are you serious?? WTF! 😒
I’d like to see you do a response to comic drake again lol. Your invincible one was fun to watch. Comic Drake always defends this stuff lol.
Maybe... Just maybe... 😉
@@emperorxero9626 Please do
The CW sucks They force gay characters in shows like Supergirl, Batgirl and make that the only reason to root for the character despite the fact it has nothing to with them being an unlikable jerk. Mary Sue character do this all the time.
With the video in the boys about the plane incident. The Deep got the phone where the plane crashed and gave it to her to black mail Homelander. So Maeve could get him back into the Seven.
yeah william was way better in the comics, the overcommital focus on dating as a front before coming out of the closet makes sense (at least to me), and he was mark's best friend first and foremost
besides that good video bro keep it up
I hate the world we live I'm a straight male and I'm frustrated with people saying "oh all men are trash""your being sexist for not liking transgender or not being gay" "pff oh woman can't sexually haraset men" I'm done with this Earth
I feel bad for Stephanie brown sigh 😔
Yeah getting dumped off panel for a random dude 🙄
I am a homosexual male and I agree with everything you said in this video.
re: Iceman, and more broadly the argument of "just don't have him date anyone". it is very common for gay people, especially gay men to date women while closeted and often but not always the other person knows. it's why we use the term beard. when you're not out you often feel like you have to do certain things to "keep up appearances"; to say nothing of the fact that sexuality is fluid; not everyone knows what they are into immediately, and as we grow we can often realize things about ourselves.
a more specifically comic book point though: it's unrealistic given the medium to expect a character to never change. the best way to look at it in my opinion is this: every run is a reboot. whenever a new creative team takes on a title it's as if everything else never happened unless they want to use it moving forward.
I too was under the impression that unless a specific author makes an effort to build off a previous comic run, everything can be considered a soft reboot.
Like I'm assuming the parade argument comes down to the fact that LGBTQ members were discriminated against a lot before, and to some extent still is, while that doesn't really happen to straight people.
I believe everyone should be allowed to have pride about their sexuality, but when straight people hold parades for them being straight it looks more like a mockery towards the LGBTQ parades.
Not saying what I'm saying is a fact, that's just my guess.
I think it's kinda like how there's a huge dedication to making African Americans feel seen and respected, but if an all white group demands a month for themselves, it's obviously gonna draw some comparisons to certain white supremacist groups
THANK YOU!! I can't express how happy I am you called out their BS. This is something I've noticed about these people is that they are incredibly toxic and close-minded. They would bash a character they like's hetero love interest, and would look for any excuse on Earth to bash that character and will not admit they are wrong. It is also a garbage logic that just because you read a character as gay, straight, or bi and use that as means to say that this character is queer when it's just what your getting out of it. And when you say that as undisputable proof then it makes you come across as a self-entitled jackass. Now I wanted to talk about what I have personally seen if people are willing to listen.
Now look, I personally don't like Tim and Steph because of how the relationship itself turned out in post-crisis (with Bruce's manipulation, Tim's absent attitude, and that he was already in a relationship when he kissed Steph) but despite that, the way these people treat Steph as the abusive stalker baffles me when Tim did not treat Steph fairly at all; and despite this TimKon shippers would bash Steph over and over again when she was the mistreated one in the relationship and was the one who realized this near the end of post-crisis when she rejected Tim.
I also like that you emphasize that not all queer folk are bad, and I know that gay people can be really good people and fun to hangout with. I agree that these select few of them are hypocritical. When I called out a guy on Tumblr for being a dick. He called me a homophobe for no reason other then I was defending a straight ship and telling him about his terrible attitude. When I criticized the problems with his gay ships, he said straight people don't know/don't have a right to criticize their pairings. THEN WHAT RIGHT DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE!?
Thank you for listening to my ted rant, have a nice day.
Not gonna lie, that intro is fucking amazing. Who knew that a movie about a raging berserk monster of madness destroying everything on screen would be the perfect representation of today's subject. As for the hypocrisy of the alphabet, Dave Chappelle said it best with his Daphne Dorman part on the Closer stand-up a few weeks ago.
They made poor Jon gay as well. It just never ends.
As for Maggie from Supergirl, she was supposed to be "Not Renee Montoya / Female Question" but they didn't have the rights. The Queen Maeve shit is also dumb as fuck. If the show went the extra dark route of her being a lesbian due to the other heroes running a train on her, as they did with Starlight in the comics, that would be something to explore. Instead it's woke points. It could have been an interesting change from the comics since they changed so much to be more contemporary.
Oh the reason Kitty is bisexual is because Bendis loves bisexual jewish women. I'm sorry I'm not making this up. It's also why he had Bobby Drake come out of the closet the moment he got the title because Bobby dared to be with his waifu. I'm sorry but I'm also not making this up. It just shows the sad reality of comics these days, where fanboys and sick shippers get to essentially control the characters that have been loved by generations. Oh and remember : apparently Iceman was so super Giga-Gay that Northstar's famous gaydar couldn't even detect him because he was so gay, so gayer than Northstar, that Northstar only saw him as straight. I'm also not making this up, they literally used this excuse in the comics to justify why Iceman never got it on with Northstar despite the latter expressing his love for Bobby many, many times in the past.
Also, try using that Geas of yours my guy, the title of Emperor doesn't mean much nowadays 😸
A couple comments
Pride parades: I agree that in a lot of ways, pride parades are mostly for show and don't actually get anything done, but equating a straight parade to a pride parade is dumb. The reason pride parades exist is because being gay is not actually socially ok yet. Yes, there are probably millions of people that accept gay, bi, ace, etc. Sexualities, but it takes one bigot with a gun to ruin any kind of protection. Straight parades are intentionally poking at the "imbalanced" social acceptance of being gay versus being straight. On that topic:
Super straight: I find this whole ordeal genuinely funny, because when I first heard about it, it was through a meme and I thought it was a joke, but now I know it's real, and incredibly stupid. The literal intention was petty "revenge" and does not deserve to be acknowledged. No, this does not mean you can't be heterosexual and not acknowledge trans folk. That's your sexuality, and thus your prerogative, but saying people are angry because of your sexuality being super straight is making a mountain out of an anthill. Also I've heard the term super straight has ties to the SS, which is the abbreviation for the Nazi army, although I have no idea if that's true or speculation.
"Coming out of the closet" metaphor: again, I agree that there's a lot of double standards here, but again I think it's justified. For hundreds of years, and in well over half the world in current day, you could get tortured, psychologically harmed, removed from social groups (families, religious outlets, etc.) Because of your sexuality. The reason the coming out of the closet is so important for quiltbag folks is because you are essentially saying "I have been hiding, but I trust [people I'm talking to] enough to talk about my sexuality." You will never be hurt for saying you're hetero (unless the people around you are so far left that they feel it's bad, but that is a very small minority).
Ice man's "why don't you date a guy" situation: this is a lot more nuanced than you think irl. Yes, the comics are absolutely using tokenization and I'm not even going to try to deny that, but irl have you noticed how quickly it seems people come out as gay? This also applies to supergirl's sister. She mentions she never felt right when dating guys, and felt better when hanging around other girls.
While not expressly stated in Iceman's case, this feels like the same situation. A gay person can go years, even decades, without realizing they're gay because of so, so, so many factors around them. Societal pressure, religion, the people they surround themselves with, the media they consume, etc. A perfect example is MrBeast's friend coming out as trans pretty recently. They had a wife and children before they came to terms with their gender; that wasn't an overnight thing, that was years in the making, and they probably won't entirely accept the transition until years after because of all the backlash and comments people have been making online.
HE DID EVENTUALLY BUILD THE T SPHERES BUT HIS FIGHTING SKILLS NEVER IMPROVED
Tim and jubilee Tim and jubilee TIM AND F**KING JUBILEE
Wait is Jubilee gay now too??
@@emperorxero9626 no Tim and jubilee had a thing in the marvel vs dc crossover
@@emperorxero9626 although for all I know maybe she is I have no idea
They really mess up William in the show made me didn't like him especially since he seemed like a really bad friend
I 100% agree
@YellowSpiderman I know from what read of invincible
surprised you didn't mention mha fandom
That could be a whole video on its own 🤣
A good video... for another time
@@emperorxero9626 maybe a video on toxic fandoms?
They are even trying to say that Aragorn was gay for Boromir because he kissed him on the forehead just after Boromir died, same for Sam and Frodo, i'm not excited for the new LOTR show.
I not paying it any attention either. I got my books and my movies and that's good enough for me 😁
you hit the nail on the head
People are so immature when it comes to two people of same sex has to be a thing instead of being just nice friends
Comics have been making radical character changes that will get them praise from a handful of articles by people who will never by a comic either way. And in doing so cast aside the dwindling group of people that actually care about the comic industry
Yeah been noticing that a lot big time in comics when you see what happen with Besty and Racheal just making them into a couple out of the blue when the two never been showed into the same sex for a long time. And the same with making Black Cat Bi for no reason.
I remember watching RWBY. I remember the badass fight scenes. But after recent seasons I'm done. Especially with that forced as hell Bumblebee ship. Never once was there prove they liked each other. The fact they do this and disrespect Omn is just upsetting. I'm so glad the show isn't do well with ratings. Hope it gets canceled before other seasons
Great video emperor! That editing skill is off the chart. One of the most ridiculous attempts at this I've seen in recent years was the implication that Cyclops, Jean Grey and Wolverine all go to pound town together and not in that order. Did you ever get around to seeing that bit?
Somebody told me about that not to long ago. That is so stupid af!
Straight Pride Parade is not about being proud of being straight. This is just face value. SPP is just a protest to a protest. It's like the All Lives Matter thing. It's just face value.
The superstraight part makes no sense tbh dude like you get praise for coming out the closet because of how brave it is and in most cases I know the parents disowned the child for it and they get shunned for love.
Soo so true!! Enoughs Enough!
I haven't watched all of Supergirl but I watched the first two or three seasons and I thought them making Maggie gay was so stupid just because it felt shoehorned. There was never any hint or indication that she was gay, (her love life was largely ignored in the first season) except that they set up a potential future romance between her and Maxwell Lord in the first season. The gay thing seemed to come out of nowhere even though it was vaguely hinted in the first season that she had feelings for men (if they'd done the whole bad guy falls in love with the good guy thing it still would have been stupid but still). It's clear that the writers at CW don't know what they're doing, fighting each other and changing characters, story arcs and plots from season to season to fit whatever narrative they're trying to spin. Tokenization in this regard is a symptom, not the primary problem. The primary problem with CW, and modern comics and movies is that most big businesses feel as though they don't need to shell out top dollar for passionate and experienced writers who know how to write good characters, dialogue or stories. So they hand off the work to amateurs for political reasons (I assume companies like Marvel feel like they can accept the economic hole left by bad comic runs because they make so much in returns from the movies and merchandise), selling shows, games and comics etc. on name recognition alone because the franchises are "too big to fail".
I know good writing is still possible with the write team and vision. I was blown away by the Netflix series "Mindhunters" which has an excellent cast, story, acting and most importantly, dialogue. Honestly I was blown away by how good the dialogue is. I don't think there's a wasted piece of spoken word in that show. That show opened my eyes to how bad dialogue and conversation has become in a lot of entertainment. Contrary to what some people think, I don't believe that the western entertainment industry is devoid of writing and directing talent. I just think a lot of the best in the industry aren't getting the spotlight they deserve because companies don't see the need for it. Thus you get shows written by hacks who fill them with bad jokes, political messaging as subtle as a trainwreck and tokenism to "appeal to wider demographics".
Did you mean Alex? Because Maggie's always been gay lol. She's actually a love interest for Batwoman so I have no idea who she's dating on her show but I heard that relationships are worse than ever on Batwoman. But yeah Alex coming out of the closet felt super forced and it just felt like we were wasting time on that instead of more important thing's like finding her missing Dad but nooooooo Lesbian troubles come first 😒 I wish people would go back to prioritizing good content first instead of play LGBT roulette
Mindhunters is good you say? What's it about?
@@emperorxero9626 I meant Supergirls sister lol
@@emperorxero9626 Mindhunters is historical fiction about two FBI agents in the 1970s-80s who interview different serial killers in an attempt to create a profile to define serial killers. I believe it's based off a book written either about them or written by one of the two agents in real life. It's really good regardless and one of the main lead in the show struggles with being a lesbian. Except in this show it doesn't define their entire character and there's actual consequences and issues raised because of their sexual orientation.
@@matthewlee8667 Interesting. I'll have to check it out in my spare time
When people started talking about gay undertones for luca, I got very confused. Because I had not seen the film at the time until a few months later after it came out. And I have gotten the idea that the two were brothers. So I just thought it was discussing that people were coupling two brothers.
Even their energy and dynamic when I did watch the film felt like an older brother and a younger brother. Even though they were literally just friends.
This, all of this. Regardless of one's thoughts or feelings about gay marriage, homosexuality, or anything else, gay people exist and are therefore valid subject matter for storytelling, but I absolutely despise the gaywashing that happens in entertainment with established properties today. It's like the second that someone gets gaywashed, they almost always cease to be a three-dimensional character. Their entire personality suddenly gets reduced to "look how gay I am! Aren't I so gay? All of my thoughts, actions, and problems in my super gay life are about how gay I am! Everything in my entire life revolves around who I want to sleep with!" Don't even get me started on the disingenuous way people "respect continuity" by acknowledging their past straight relationships while trying to sell us on the idea that they just decided they also swing both ways all of a sudden by making characters bisexual. Like you said, that tracks a lot more with women because unlike men, women are a lot less rigid in their sexuality, but in almost every case in which it's done, it's done just about as horribly done as plain old gaywashing. Make your own dang characters and put in the work to make them popular on their own merits, dangit! (God forbid, they do it because they think it'll automatically gain them the established audience and pre-existing popularity when tokenization only kills both). One thing I can think of actually handles gay characters very well of the top of my head is The Walking Dead. Eric is a bit of a stereotypical "gay romantic partner" archetype since he has such little character beyond his relationship to Aaron, but Aaron himself is actually a legit, well-rounded and likable character with fleshed out desires, fears, virtues, flaws, and motivations, and he even has a completely platonic friendship with Daryl through their shared motivations and shared personality traits. Terra's the same way too, a perfectly well-rounded, relatable, and believable character, and she was basically established as unambiguously gay from the get-go, too. As much as I generally hate race swapping since it's equally as arbitrary and done for nothing other than cheap brownie points with people who usually aren't even fans of the original material anyway, gaywashing might actually be worse imo because of how in your face annoying it is...
Jesus Christ blah blah blah
finally someone said it smfh and it's about time.
13:17 That's crazy ig sweet home Alabama.
I hate that Black Cat is bisexual now. Not just because of the obvious tokenization, but Catwoman is already bisexual. Everything Catwoman does, Black Cat does too, Marvel can't separate the character apart from DC's Cat girl for some reason
The intro is 100% accurate
yeah, but the song sucks ballz.
I'm shocked that they never went after Wonder Woman, but I assume that's because everyone already knew she's LGBT
just wow bro i keep these videos coming bro
I fucking called it, I said they would make Jonny gay and guess what they did, they made jonny “bisexual”. Here’s the proof. EVS was actually right… wow
Thank you for the Goku! Comparison! I have been arguing this for years and people are fucking just ignorant because of it
Yeah that never made sense to me. I mean sure Goku wasn't a perfect father but who is lol?
@@emperorxero9626 Thank you and people don't take into account that after the Saiyan attack. Earth was CONSTANTLY under siege.
Ok, your words of “best friends are not lovers” are something the planet needs to hear. I’ve seen MANY ships where some girls happen only because they’ve known each other since childhood. My Hero Academia is a victim of this horseshit
It’s blatantly obvious that Deku and Ochako like each other! The mangaka stated that Deku is straight, those two are blushing but adorable idiots when they’re close to each other or when someone points that out. Yet *EVERYBODY* ships Deku with either Todoroki or Bakugou! The latter feels more like a toxic relationship
The iceman thing was a writer leaving getting back at a directory
🙏preach
My best friend is gay. When I told him about what Marvel did to Bobby Drake, he found it to be forced and disrespectful to the character. Not to mention how Tim Drake was suddenly bi not long after Superman's son came out as gay
To answer your question at the end I feel your a little of both. You made some good points about how disappointing representation on the subject can be. But your assumption about gay peoples experience and their motivation is honestly tone deaf and at times disrespectful.
I think that it is not appropriate to define someone's experience/motivations when you are not a member of this group. for example, it is completely inappropriate for me to make assumptions of what it is like to give birth, because i will never know because it is beyond the realm of my experience. i can understand what it is like to be marginalized like a minority, but only within the limits of my sexuality.
A good example is when you were about talking about the show supergirl and Alex’s coming out plot line. You made it seem like because it was 2016 that coming out should be easy unless you come from a strict household or a super religious and conservative family. Not understanding even if you have supportive family, friends in your life it doesn’t guarantee it will be easy. Everyone deals with it in a certain way.
When and how someone comes out is a very individual and personal decision. And to have a straight person talk about how easy anything is for a gay person is short sighted and disrespectful.
what you doesn't appear to realize is that you can't understand the topic. Like your comment on the gay pride parade being stupid. I mean your entitled to your opinion and I’m sure their are lgbt people who might feel the same. But to me you don’t seem like you understand the events historical importance. I mean I won’t pretend like I do either but I can at least see why it’s important for many. Especially since it was started in a time where being gay was practically a death sentence.
So while it may seem hypocritically to reject the existence of straight pride, what you fail to realize it's just an example of privilege. You can't understand the importance and celebration of representation because it has never been an issue that has affected you personally. i mean i know words like "privilege" and "phobia" are often overused or misappropriated, but they still have meaning despite that.
Yeah he does sound really disrespectful when talking about the whole supergirl show and it heing 2016. Also the gay pride parade, like dude come on, yes it is celebrity our sexually and how proud and happy we are to be out, but to get to that point the LGBT community went through some horrible shit. Being killed for just who we love and disowned.
Killed it.
Thank you! 😁
The video we needed
What do you think about Constantine? He is Bi, mostly with women, but has the occasional man, god, demon, or Kingshark
Ok, to be fair, Super Straight was really meant to try to get the same level of treatment as the LGTBQ+ community
Before i saw Luca i was told that the main character and his friend are gay and i was like okay I'll check it out. After i watched the movie I'm convinced people never had any friends when they were kids. The things they do in the movie is typical kids being friends stuff nothing gay there. Just because 2 characters in a movie are acting really kind with eachother doesn't mean they're in a relationship or will be my point is amplified when talking about kids because they're kids not understanding what sex is and just having fun. It really pisses me off when people ship kids in shows because they're kids
Pride used to have a point. It was a protest of institutional homophobia...
Now... It's Rio De Janeiro Carnaval.
Basically for Straight people to feel tolerant and accepting (Superior) & get laid. And for Non Cis-Straights to be clowns.
I been only to about two or three.
And every time got more pissed off.
Not thanks.
I'm cis, gay & and married.
This I concur. It's seems that "Pride" nowadays is just a way for people to feel superior above all else. Gay, Straight or otherwise
Good title. Solid reference.
Always a classic.
The Persona 5 OST is so damned good.
now people have always told me my intelligence is so low it's off the charts however I am going to change the minds and enlighten every person who shall dare to read this.
if character A and character B (male and female) are developed in a compelling and believable way it makes a romance between the 2 not seem forced or fake. that's how literature works. it is absolutely unfathomable to me as to why studios cannot comprehend this and simply do the same for same-sex characters and instead decide to shoehorn the "gay" part into already existing character causing the quality of writing to instantly take a nosedive because of this glaring flaw it has. the morale of the story MAKE NEW CHARACTERS AND DEVELOP THEN SAME AS ANY OTHER CHARACTERS THEN IF U CHOSE TO ROMANCE THEM IT won't SEEM/FEEL FORCED AND ULTIMATELY FLAWED.
Fax as always
I subbed you're welcome lol
If any character in Luca was gay I though it was the two lady’s or are they sisters
I think Harley should stay in the suicide squad but Harley and Ivy being an item is something I’m fine with
Tim Drake and Superboy is the only way Tim could even be Bi he hasn’t shown any other interest in males honestly I kinda want to see Tim and Stephanie stay together then get married
He's not even in a relationship with Superboy but people love trying to justify to change using their friendship lol
Hal Jordan: Flash! My Boy!
Idiots: oh my god it queer coded. Hal Jordan is in love with Barry Allen.
Hal: Barry you got something on your nose.
Idiots: oh my god it queer coded Barry Allen is in love with Batman
You know the only original character who is gay character that was written with actual respect and good character was Miguel Montez from Dial H from Hero. (Miguel could be Bisexual Summer’s counterpart, Lobo kick girl calls Miguel’s counterpart, Miguel the street her Boo, but Original Miguel and Summer are just friends, completely platonic)
There are some cool LGBT characters out there like Miguel Montez and if a character have legitimate subtext of being or wanting to be gay that is perfect fine but characters can't just be gay of representation only
Alphabet Community we call them that in my family.