The Abysmal Failure of MCU Spider-Man
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- **2023 UPDATE**
Brand new Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse Review from my new debate show Last Page. 96 minutes of love & hate!
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No disrespect to Tom Holland, but MCU Spider-Man is awful.
**2022 UPDATE**
I have reviewed Spider-Man: No Way Home and have things to say about it:
The Redemption of MCU Spider-Man?
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When i see mcu movies all i see are business decisions. No motivation no story no believability. The sam raimi spiderman is the only one that takes me to another world.
Mcu spiderman is hold back so much by the Mcu even though the comics have shown that solo stories work in a connective universe
ikr Andrew has hilarious tho especially the car thief scene part of me wishes Tobey got better jokes and made more jokes during battle
@@enigmaticbeing666 I really like Tobey´s spider-man, but I felt Garfield´s was closer to the real spiderman. Also the story in Garfield´s was closer to the comics. Holland´s spiderman feels empty, just a wannabe, or a fraud.
I have no clue what they were thinking with this movie or why this version of Spider-Man is so beloved. I HATE the direction they’ve gone with this character
@Erik Kemeey just my opinion buddy
No kidding. Why did they make him a naive fanboy who can't even keep his secret identity safe for 1 movie? They should have continued The Amazing Spider-Man run with him being in the MCU.
MCU spidey is really bad. Just watching the cartoon version has a better Peter Parker. I don't know what mainstream has with making male superhero characters simp and revolve their whole plot about the girls they like. Meanwhile cartoon spidey made his shot with a cheerleader girl he got rejected and moved on. Spidey PS4 broke up with MJ and he moved on and fucked cat girl. Like all other versions of spidey actually reflect his confidence from being spiderman back to his main character Peter Parker. MCU peter parker is a fucking idiot and we're supposed to be led to believe he's this genius dude that makes jokes all the time and keeps his cool as spiderman it just doesn't make sense. MCU peter parker sounds like he's incompetent all around to be spiderman and has no sense of responsibility at all. Terrible Spidey
@Erik Kemeey The opening patrol in Homecoming sticks out for me. He is on the phone leaving messages like a clingy girlfriend while things are slow in Queens. You know what Peter Parker does when things are quiet in Queens? He heads over to Brooklyn or crosses the bridge and takes a swing around Manhattan. He doesn't fret over the chance to prove himself to an egomaniac like Tony Stark. He does what he does because he believes his powers give him an obligation to help people.
As for Andrew, yeah, his motivations were far for selfish, on a vigilante for his uncle's killer, but he had the trash talk down and showed the kind of mindset that would make a costume to fight crime.
If superheroes didn't already exist in the MCU, and without an Uncle Ben, I'm not convinced this version of Peter Parker would have the motivation to do what he does.
@Erik Kemeey Care to explain that or is casual dismissal the best you have?
Honestly, without a proper origin and characterization, I feel like No Way Home doesn’t do enough to recover this version of Spider-Man. It’s just not Peter in my eyes
it because aunt may death was literal plot hole of the movie
@@michaeljosephjackson2364 Also, it doesn't feel earned cause she was a joke character in the last two movies.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 green goblin liberally saved the nwh movie
@michaeljosephjackson2364 And Sandman is out of character along with Electro just being different too but folks will just go "IT'S SPIDER-MAN I LOVE HIM!" I spit on fanatics in fanbases they ruin everything.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It wasn't a plot hole though
Stan Lee: I created Spider-Man because i was tired of teenaged superheroes getting the sidekick treatment and also wanted to Peter Parker to be relatable
MCU: Ok check. We'll make Spider-Man into Iron Man's sidekick and make Peter Parker into a irresponsible teenager we can't relate to.
Preach. Yeah, when I read a few months ago that Avi Arad was behind the "creative" choices behind MCU Spider-Man's persona, it all made sense. He's never cared about the IP he's overseen, just the dollars it brings.
@@TheMavMan Arad ruined Spiderman 3 for forcing Venom into it. However, I liked the first live action Venom on screen but there were so many villains that it was hard to focus on.
@@TheMavMan Avi Arad and Sony do not want to lose tgeor frip on thr character that is why Avi was so "creative" with this verdion of the character. However, we already have a comic accurate MCU Spiderman. You can see him in What if? Episode 5. Heck, even Uncle Ben is mentioned finally.
Right, as if MCU Spider-Man doesn't save literally everyone in Infinity War, and saves Iron Man multiple times, and rejects the offer of being mentored by him, you're all fucking delusional
@@ericstorm6582 lol
I fel this needs to be said, Tony Stark didn't "recruit" Peter. Tony Blackmailed him he literally threatened to tell May right after Peter said no and then lied to him about an internship until after Peter did him favor by stopping vulture. All Ironman did was use Peter, throw him away.
This is the bleakest interpretation of their relationship and I disagree in nearly every way. However, it’s so wild that I actually respect it
@@cidlufaine9044 He only cared about him by the end of their time together, it's such a shitty relationship. Like Peter should honestly despise Tony.
This isn't new at all for Tony. He literally had Peter's villains jump him in the comics(civil war).
@@okand6770 Which makes it all the worse because MS deemed this mess of a man to be a mentor and not Steve
@elae4051 technically he's not a mentor. He never tought peter the path of being a hero or anything really. Ge just gave him a suit. Peter wouldn't have realized that because he's a naive 14-15 year old who was given an upgraded suit from the richest and one of the beloved heroes in that world.
It’s interesting. On one hand, the MCU Spider-man trilogy did a good job at capturing the general tone of the original Spider-man comics (high school era) where the adventures were light hearted and conflicts were resolved in a single issue. But it also takes an entire trilogy to have Peter develop into a more independent hero with each movie essentially giving him variants of the same arc about “becoming his own Spider-man”.
When you think about it, Peter’s characterization in Civil War and Homecoming are pretty different. There’s certain similarities but also some stuff that doesn’t line up. Because Spider-man was put into the movie so late into production, they had to introduce core Spider-man traits off the bat with how little time they had to build up this new version of the character. He’s shown to be smart with him building computers, making his tech, being generally capable with his powers, etc. There’s an allusion to Uncle Ben without spending too much time into it because we already know the story by heart, he feels a responsibility to help others, and he has a level of cockiness that leads to mistakes because of how young he is. Him being a fanboy when meeting the Avengers makes some sense because he’s only been at this 6 months max, so it’s a big step up. There was also potential for future conflict with how Tony essentially blackmailed Peter into going to Germany. Overall, his youth is a key factor at play here and it’s done well enough in this movie for it to work.
But when Homecoming comes along, they amplify certain traits and make him to be even more inexperienced and childlike than before. He seems less like someone who made a mistake and feels a sense of responsibility to help others and more like a fanboy playing dress up because he got powers. Uncle Ben has less and less of a presence, Aunt May just exists to be the subject of the joke about everyone wanting to sleep with her (and then suddenly becoming super important in NWH), and Peter overall feels like a separate character because of what was added to the characterization. Ned Leeds is introduced and we have no idea how long they’ve been friends (also, Peter gives the sense that if he were to get powers, he’d immediately tell Ned and become a superhero fright off the bat. No sense that this cinnamon roll of a teenager could ever be selfish with his powers and choose to let a criminal go. He’s more likely to have gotten scared and done nothing out of fear), the one joke in CW about Empire Strikes Back has been evolved into Peter being a big Star Wars fan, he doesn’t feel like he was ever bullied at school outside of Flash making the occasional joke, etc.
Civil War Peter feels like a kid who has some baggage hidden underneath the excitement and confusion. Homecoming Peter feels like a kid who always wanted to be a superhero and then suddenly became one (almost like Izuku Midoriya in My Hero Academia). There was potential to delve into the aftermath of Ben’s death or how Tony manipulated him. But Ben gets wiped from this Peter’s origin and the headcanons of Irondad and Spider-son became the foundation of this forced relationship between Peter and Tony that had no actual narrative writing involved in developing it
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Not too much text. It was very well said and insightful
@@Dattebayo04to much
Bro Jesus whatever you said tom is good now at least hes better then raimi
@@thegreatacolyt1277 hehe, cope , better than raimi yeah no way home the nostalgia bait home made him better in your dreams
MCU stans be like this spiderman accurate. Meanwhile they've never opened a comic book
Literally lol
@Erik Kemeey ok MCU stan
@Erik Kemeey bro stop lying to yourself homecoming is a horrible movie FFH is a cinematic disaster and NWH is fairly mediocre
@@etc8589 ???
@@etc8589 yes, mcu version Spiderman and their characters are terrible. Who the fxxx is Michelle Jones and Ned????
Tom Holland is basically Peter with Miles Morales character development, Andrew Garfield is based on Ultimate Spider-Man And Modern Day Amazing Comics and Tobey Maguire is based on the original Spider-Man comics from 616 prime marvel universe
Nailed it 🎯
Fair point. I only wished they had had a better script for Maguire. The story for his spiderman was not the closest to the comics. For instance, his first gf was not Mary Jane, but Gwen Stacy who died to the Green Goblin in the bridge incident. Only later he got together with MJ. Is Maguire´s spiderman, he saved MJ in the same bridge incident, and later on he got together with Gwen when he was changed by the venon suit. Which in fact he got from the Secret Wars saga, and the suit took some time to affect him. So there were too many storyline changes for TObey´s movies, but regarding the character itself, he was the closest to the traditional spiderman .
Miles didn't even want to be spiderman so you're just wrong off the bat.
MCU Peter's spiderman is based off of the ditko era
Tobey's movies were HEAVILY inspired by the 90s series.
It’s like this: if you never read a SpiderMan Comic then the movies are great. If you did then most of the time the movies are disappointing. I’m mostly disappointed when it comes to the movies. They never seem to be able to make SpiderMan act like SpiderMan.
Oh, piss off. Even if something doesn't adapt everything perfectly. If it is made well by people that understand the character and want to add or tweak certain things to help better serve the character and story, then it works. For the Amazing Spiderman & Spider Tommy boy movies they miss the mark completely and are made by people that lack the creativity or don't care about the character. Sam Raimi's is still the best movie adaption we got out of the character. You want a great animated version, look no further than the 1994 animated series.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475I believe andrew worked better with His Spiderman. It just had too much plot in the 2 movies
@@KaiSmith-vb6up Too much plot? The hell you been smoking?
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 vapes
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475Too many plotpoints, that’s what he’s saying.
I hate that Iron man came up with the Spiderman suit design in the Mcu
Homecoming has my least favorite suit I hate it
What is Iron Man even doing in Spiderman's movies? That's what I fucking hate. Why is Iron Man such a big part of Spiderman's character? Get Iron Man the fuck out of the movie. I didn't come for him.
In fact, during the comics Civil War when heroes were told to reveal their secret identity, Peter stood by Stark´s side and revealed his identity to the world. He got to work in Stark´s enterprises and got a suit with all the cybernetics that ironman´s suit had. However, peter is a genius on Stark´s level. Holland´s spider-man is just a dumb teen with powers and NO responsibilities.
The design that was inspired by Peter's homemade suit. Tony clearly didn't design it on the fly out of pure thought.
Fun fact: Tobey and Andrew's suit inspired Peter to make his classic suit like that.
Peter in the comics takes his secret identity very serious . MCU he's got his mask off letting everyone see his face.
You could say that any movie spiderman, what's your point
he literally was wearing his mask in FFH but Nick Fury (Talos) told him to remove it cuz everyone already knows him
Yeah sure 😹
He finally becomes closer to original Spidey in the last 5 to 10 minutes of No Way Home. It strangely felt like that was the point that he’s not yet truly Spiderman in the first 2. When he’s truly alone and broke and he swings out into the snow with a homemade suit and no Stark gadgets that he’s the Spidey we all know and love. Good video
The problem is that they made people think he was my brother thought i was insane for saying he doesn't feel like spider-man
I'm almost 30 now and I bet most people who loved the Raimi movies and Spider-Man in general are 20-50 by now. The MCU scenarios felt so unrelatable. Heroes were popular celebrities and he's trying to be one of them, it's only about crossovers and competing with other heroes in a weird meta way. He's not the friendly guy from the neighbourhood, not a normal fun dude. The stories are still kinda enjoyable but ehh... even Andrew was a much better Peter imo.
I think you nailed it. Great observation on MCU heroes being celebrities 👏
making tony stark peter parker's mentor because of their shared skills in tech is the equivalent of making jaime reyes clark kent's mentor because they both get their powers from space
Or making green arrow superman's mentor.
@Erik Kemeey tony wasn’t his mentor in the ultimate comics.Before his death Peter was training with each member of the ultimates(avengers) so that he can join the team. It was mostly Thor, Iron Man and Captain America who were training him.
@Erik Kemeey it ain’t bullshit little boy. ultimate comics issue #150 Carol Danvers sits with Captain America, Iron Man and Thor to talk about what to do with Spider-Man. Thor and Tony thinks that he is a good hero and Steve believes he should be benched. At the end of the issue Carol visits peter and tells him that they are going to help train him to be a better superhero.
Issues # 153 -154 he has he first training session with Iron Man. Long story short it ends with them helping black cat defeat Mysterio and at the end tony offers peter a job working from him.
Issue 156 he starts his training with Captain America, who basically tells peter that he’s too young and he’s doesn’t take anything seriously.
@Erik Kemeey bruh Holland is nothing like the ultimate comics. Peter in the ultimate comics is an asshole during his early days. Tom is a happy go lucky kid.
I don't like the mcu captain america but steve would have been a much better mentor than Tony doesn't communicate stark who then gets pissed off at a teenager who wasn't told anything trying to save the day
Great video. Spider-Man is my favorite superhero of all time. I honestly cannot understand how some people really think Tom is the best version of Spidey we've gotten. When he couldn't be further from accurate if they tried. He does absolutely nothing a true Spider-Man would do or be in his films. Its frustrating to see Disney not understand my favorite hero. Tobey was by far the best and most accurate portrayal of Spidey. And im glad he's coming back.
'Preciate it! Same. Hoping No Way Home is a well-thought out inclusion of Tobey and other Raimi-verse vets and not just lazy memberberries.
@@TheMavMan do not hope too much. I hoped so much about Far From Home but I was eventually dissapointed.
@@samuelkohi4415 Sage advice indeed, Samuel. It's like what Eomer said in LOTR, "...do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands."
It is because of Sony still having a firm hold on the character and they do not want Marvel to outshine them. I think.
What makes Spiderman is Spiderman? Sacrifice, Heroism and most importantly, responsibility! This is Peter Parker.
Tom's version has fallen out of the essence of Spider-Man and is no longer in line with the original.
Those people just never read comic book, blinded by the Tom's cuteness and mcu's bored jokes
Sam Rania brought these comics to life and modernized it in whateve way he felt was appropriate WITHOUT completely changing the movie itself or the essence of the world of spider man. He was a true respective fan of Spider-Man and made Peter earn his stripes as a hero and SHOWS up WHY we root for him. Not cuz he’s some kid with powers. But because there is a responsibility with those powers he has to live up to.
He got Peter Parker’s life so accurate it’s PAINFUL that “fans” can’t see that.
Peter in the films kids of do get father figures in his films he can glean to and get some wisdom and direction from. I didn’t hate that aspect but Tony Stark and Him have nothing uncommon besides being smart….😑🙄🙄🙄 plus his personality more so reflects Tony’s than Peter Parker himself….
what can you expect from the mediocrity that is the McU. Their movies are so disgustingly shallow and overrated.
Most overrated franchise of all time
Tbh I think the MCU movies are decent for the most part
Ngl mcu spidey isn't even bad lmao
He's awful.
Tom's spiderman has good movies but it's the worst spiderman adaption ever made. Rami and Webb are the two best adaptions of Spiderman
@@theoutsiderjess1869 None of the MCU Spider-Man movies are good.
"He is portrayed as a 'Robin' instead of a 'Batman'."
Bars! 🔥
While Norrin Radd/The Silver Surfer is my favorite comic book character, Peter Parker/Spider-Man is my favorite comic book hero.
MCU Spider-Man is such a neurotic mess of a young man void of any of the grit that Ben Parker instilled in him.
Speaking of Ben Parker...they really did Uncle Ben wrong. His significance was reduced to a piece of luggage.
Yeah they fucked Uncle Ben's story up badly. At first they hint to him (kind of) in civil war, then he seems to not even ring a bell to MCU Peter in NWH.
Side question; as a Silver Surfer fan, have you seen the 90's show? I'm not all that familiar with the comic silver surfer, but enjoyed the cartoon and was wondering if you felt that was an accurate representation of the character.
@@TheMavMan I'm 40 so I grew up with The Silver Surfer cartoon. I've read most of the comics right up to the "In Thy Name" run.
More than anything, the cartoon was pretty accurate.
We do not even get a mention from him about uncle Ben, when in the comics his uncle and his death is the driving force for his entire being. It is what defines spider-man " with great powers comes great responsabilities" andHolland´s spiderman has not responsability whatsoever.
Tobey Maguire’s spiderman stands to be my favorite and always will be. Everyone always says that Tom Holland’s spiderman is most comic accurate but i completely disagree. Tony Stark is practically his uncle ben, and like you said hes a privleged peter parker. Toby’s spiderman had to deal with grief, real life problems. Im sure any average person could relate to Tobey’s spiderman in some way and see theirself in him
Beautifully said 👏
well we had plenty of comics on Spiderman. So MCU has to be accurate to something.
I think MCU Spider-Man is all about character development. I think later on, Peter will grow into a badass. Especially now that aunt May has died, and he’s living on his own now. Peter will turn into the Spider-Man you know and love.
Word, Eric. I don't like that they had him start out from Civil War and with the first two spider-man movies as a pipsqueak, but I agree that they finally got a lot right in Spider-Man NWH. I did a follow up video covering that movie specifically:
ruclips.net/video/Oke63kGDRH8/видео.html
I can't help but feel we should have had this arc *way* earlier though, like either in Homecoming or Far From Home.
Especially since he went through the same exact arc in Far From Home as he did in Homecoming
PS4 Spider-Man Had One Of the Best Portrayals Of Peter Parker. Yuri Lowenthal Did An Amazing Job Voice Acting The Character.
100% agree. Great Peter Parker/ Spider-Man portrayal. My only problem is the update that changed the characters face to look younger / mote like Tom Holland. Terrible decision.
Wrong. Ps4 Peter is nothing like his Comic counterpart. Not being as childish as Tom doesn't suddenly make him a good Spider-man. And Tobey is a terrible Spider-man as well. But people like Tobey Meek pushover loser personality slide because he got the life aspect of Spider-man down, but not the personality.
Andrew is the best life action Spider-man.
kind of reminded me of one of the more recent spider man cartoon series where spiderman actually becomes pretty good friends with the hulk, and i mean the hulk personality not banner, if i remember correctly hulk respects him for smashing good which is more hulk than anything the mcu version has done
I think what would have made the MCU Spider-Man good was just with a few tweaks. That would be keeping his character as it is. Have Tony put all the superhero jazz into the kid. Have Peter really like it. Have Aunt May be her age. But do show Peter stopping quite a bit of crime. Stopping muggers, getting a cat out of a tree, Have him help a old lady across the street, and have him shit out rainbow. Basically show him as what he did before Tony picked him up. But have him still want more. The fight in Civil War really got him wanting more of it. Like a dopamine hit. But he never gets it. Don't have Vulture be connected to Liz and just have Mark Allan who becomes Molten Man be mentioned aka show up here but just as Liz's Brother. With that keep quite a bit of homecoming the same and all. Don't have the Vulture be so personal and Finds out who Spider-Man is. Just give him a Grudge against Osborn that by some point of the movie gets fleshed out even more as Osborn steaks his Technology to be shown for the news. This causes Adrian Toomes to want revenge. So he steals Technology and trucks with Osborn stuff and continue with it. After that the big change is. Have what Tony says later after the explosion with the boat actually affect Peter. Have it stay in his mind. Have him mention it throughout the 3rd Act. Then by the end he doesn't just reject the Iron Spider Suit. He rejects everything from Tony. He realizes. He can't just rely upon others like Stark. Doing so will just make him depend on the Avengers. Which eith the whole movie makes him realize this. So killing Two birds with 1 stone. Easy. I successfully got Peter to start relying upon himself and I have Peter evolve in the movie and take that experience into the rest of the movies. My line would be different on How it'd being played out now. But the next movie would have him stop relaxing, The next movie after that would teach Peter to not trust people like Mysterio as easily especially with his Identity, and finally No Way Home would strip Peter of his innocence. There. I made a Saga of movies that evolved Peter overtime that once No way home rolled around. He wasn't the same kid that Tony brought to Germany. I did make lots of changes. But those changes were for the better. As I kept Peter as the same but I added more Super Villains, stripped Peter of something close to him movie by movie, and I've made a Spider-Man that is almost the exact same Spider-Man from thr MCU. What a whirl
I think with the ending of no way home, mcu spider man’ll become the hero we wanted him to be
he will never be Spider-man. No matter how much is changed from now on. The foundation is flawed.
You're absolutely right, Tom Holland is a good actor, I honestly have no problem with him; it's the writers who are to blame, too light hearted, far too connected to Iron Man (save for his connection to the Civil War story and the gathering of all heros vs Thanos), far too heavy on pop culture references; don't get me started on the costume (save for the Iron Spider suit), relying too much on technology; with respect to Holland though, my favorite Spider-Man is actually Toby Maguire, never cared for Andrew Garfield's take.
Also, with respect to your opinion on them, I actually loved the Fantastic Four movies, the 2015 film is certainly a piece of s***, I feel the Tim Story movies were good, not perfect, but good.
Coming back to this, im glad theyre basically doing a reset with his character. Def a step in the right direction. Just hope they dont fuck it up
I'm so glad people are becoming more public about how bad MCU spidey is. I thought I was the only one during these releases and everyone told me I was dumb and didn't understand the character
I know this comes out before No Way Home, and lots of people think it’s a definitive move of MCU Spider-Man. However, I still fully agree with you. MCU Spider-Man, even up to this point, is still a “with great mess he makes, comes more ass-saving parents” character. First Tony Stark, then Happy, and now Dr. Strange, and even himself from other timelines to wipe his ass! I am so convinced by how you buddies in the comments say about the influence of the creative team. MCU keeps putting attractive little leaks to keep people looking forward to the next movie, but each one is just a rush montage of trailers. But they made it, they made millions, they made people cheer, their strategy succeeded. It’s just that I miss the movies when people really tried to tell good stories.
Okay hater
@Erik Kemeey wdym why he just told you Erik?!
Exactly MCU spiderman is literally a piece of shit for storytelling. I was pretty interested when I saw the trailer on MCU spiderman but the way they introduced him was a massive let down. Spiderman is supposed to be an intelligent near genius level character. Why is it that he's kissing boots to Tony stark? The real spiderman would create his own mechanism or just flat out neglect tony stark's pitty handouts. The character of spiderman in MCU needs always a father figure to be around telling him what to do because his character alone doesn't cut it to be a tab bit interesting or even remotely an individual. Let alone commit intelligent decisions. It's sad that the state of the world is willing to take this garbage entertainment due to flashy effects
@@pentarronitoentuanuto4081MCU Spider-Man literally created his own web shooters and costume before Tony decided to create his own costume in Civil War. Even then, when Tony gave him the Iron Spider suit and a position in the Avenger, Peter rejected it even with Tony asking multiple time that he should join in.
Beside, this version of Peter Parker actually showed he's a genius multiple time, being in a high school for smart teenagers, being part of a competition and being actually an important part of the team with the whole people actually panicking when he didn't show up at the competition, him defeating the drones using well crafted plans and even building a makeshift bomb with the parts of a car, restraining Strange in his own dimension using his webs
@@joeda900 He's definitely not a genius for any of those things. Half of the spiderman shit is plot armour and him being with '"nerds" at school is not necessarily resembling a genius like intelligence. That is a gimmick and not all nerds are intelligent they're just book worms who know book shit. I'm talking about some real personality. Some actual judgement. He's just kissing boots at tony stark every other minute. Him not wanting to be in the avengers is also some mentality of "I'm not good enough" or "I won't disappoint you master stark". Like what the hell is that? Peter in the comics was cocky. It was actually fun to see his adventures then. MCU peter is childishly unrealistic. Like no way could he ever survive a single minute in the real world dealing with real world problems being so naive and innocent. Peter was built by hardships all around this Petter is like a 12-year-old flat out.
Making Spider-Man a Ironman simp is on the same vein as turning The Punisher into a pacifist. Goes against *EVERYTHING* the character stands for! Whoever thinks this is a good iteration of the character clearly isn't a fan. Wimp Simp indeed.
@Erik Kemeey fake info, get your comic book properly, stop misleading
@Erik Kemeey Oh yeah, long after he became a superhero. Meaning that he didn't need anyone to give him everything, that he needed. Enough of the lies, MCU bot.
@Erik Kemeey Peter didn’t get trained by Iron Man until well into his career as Spider-Man in Ultimate Spider-Man 151.
That’s 150 issues, which in comics time is many years. Meaning Peter had been Spider-Man for YEARS prior to the after school hero training arc. So it’s very different because in the MCU as you put it in other comments. Stark is Peter’s Benefactor. As Peter had his own rogues gallery, his own interests, his own supporting cast, etc before he even met Iron Man. In the MCU a lot of Spidey’s corner of the MCU is a byproduct of Iron Man. How stupid do you need to be to not realize this?
You are a sheep dude. I honestly see you and that other dude Omar under every MCU Spider-Man video spewing false info about this character you know nothing about. You’re a loser and you know nothing. Deal with it. Cope that the MCU Spidey is terribly written. You have nothing original to say in your comments, you just regurgitate the same shit other MCU fans have said, even shit that’s false.
The biggest failure is zendeya as mj. Gosh, I have never hated a character this bad.
@Erik Kemeey lol her character is the def of bad
@Erik Kemeey her character is a literal edge lord and sociopath
@Erik Kemeey so ??
@@Infinity2018attack how is MJ sociopath ? Are you cracked ?
@@spidey9051 u get ur head examined. She definitely is one
Tobey's Spiderman is WAY more like comic Spidey
Yes? But also a lot of his character and story was taken a lot from the 90s series and that show was comic inspired but also did a lot of new things but I do think he is still more accurate.
gonna be honest none of these movie are accurate to the comics but the tom holland spider-man movies are just the best in general tobey's spider-man isn't as accurate as people like to think some character like spider-man barely makes quips and peter parker is to awkward to be considered accurate to the comics mary jane isn't in any way accurate to the comics but tom's spider-man is supposed to be different if you go in saying he's the most comic accurate then you're just going to be lied to the comic stories are made modern because if you keep doing the same stories over and over again then it's going to be annoying.
The fact that they kept the same shitty writers aka Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers (from Ant-Man & The Wasp and Far From Home) for No Way Home is the dumbest decision Feige has ever made, they're gonna ruin the goddamn movie, and the worst thing is that people are going to praise it anyway just because of Tobey and Andrew, which reminds me about Endgame, a pretty bad fanservice movie with horrible writing and a disappointing conclusion. I really can't wait for this soulless trash of a trilogy to end so that we get a new much better director (someone like Edgar Wright, Matthew Vaughn or Sam Raimi) and a great writing team to make the college trilogy, the nightmare is almost over.
The movie sucked there only some good parts what's your thoughts on it?
Well I'd say it's safe to say this aged poorly. That movie was a once in a lifetime gem and I'm happy I has the chance to see it.
@@blasternixon8013 It ddi not
@@TetraGalaxyTelecastNo Way Home is okay in some parts but still not great. Didn’t like especially how they treated Strange’s character.
I've never watched any live action Spiderman movies, and I wouldn't consider myself a big spiderman fan having only watched the Spectacular spiderman cartoons and a few of the early 1962 comics. The Spiderman I see through this video doesn't seem like a superhero that would completely captivate me the same way the spectacular spiderman captivated me.
tbh even after no way home i still dont see him as my spider-man
I don’t know why people get so angry when someone says they like MCU spidey. Even I’m not a fan of the MCU version and do agree with most stuff in the video, but it’s so weird when people get worked up and start yelling that “YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SPIDER-MAN WHY DO YOU LIKE THE POPULAR MOVIES” Like calm down comic guys
I gave this version of the character too much benefit of doubt, it took no way home to realize how much he sucks and how stupid he is
Tom Holland roasted anthony mackie for not having a movie also now anthony mackie has a new captain america movie coming up
*Spider-Boy:* Please, Mr.Stark don't take my suit!
*Spider-Bully:* Look at Tin-Man Jr, Gonna cry??
They basically used the ultimate spiderman peter and miles morales who we're basically avengers and miles was given his suit by nick fury and spiderwoman
Yeah the MCU Spider-Man is a naive clown compared to the comic book Spider-Man and Tobey Macguire and Andrew Garfield.
Andrew Garfield was a better Spider-Man
For that reason, i love the version of andrew, is like the peter of the comics, great ego ,sarcastic but with a great heart.
Andrew Garfield's Peter probably wouldn't hesitate to call Tony Stark a shellhead.
I love how Pepole say MCU Peter is and is't lice Comic spider man
Send this to marvel and Sony
They dont care about our beloved hero they only care about the money he brings...
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See what I mean Tom the worst. I prefer the first Spider-Man came out in 2003, he was the best before any of the characters came and I like it's 2014 Spider-Man. I saw the scene he said AHHH! when he was run over by a police truck it was so funny I just couldn't stop laughing any side just like Spider-Man into the cartoons that I watch when I was little saving with 2003 Spider-Man and the villains were there on from the hero Spider-Man it was perfect some of the villains they went out there with him unlike Tom Spider-Man he did not give me any feelings about the movie it didn't got me
Wouldn't it be bias to say that "i know people who loves that spidey but they do not simply know who is THE Spider-Man",it's not because they don't know the character and his philosophy silver age esque take doesn't mean they have to HATE a new take on the character.
I am me too a bit confuse and not liking very much tom holland spidey you have to consider the fact not any average person will not necessarly look at comics or understand the "character" first outing.
At the end of the day it's just a movie that much average people likes for it's MCU composition (Humor,Avengers,ect....) but it feels wrong for Spidey fans that see this new Spider-Man replace an already Great Spider-Man.
It's why I never watched those films, I saw enough to see that's the direction they were taking him, and noped out.
Honest, straight to the point, and damn fucking right.
@Erik Kemeey Cool dude. Very insightful.
@Erik Kemeey Okay
@Erik Kemeey I'm sorry. I don't come to your house and shit on your doorstep. I think it's an unfaithful representation of the character in many ways and therefore a wasted opportunity.
Why so up in my face about it?
@Erik Kemeey Is that supposed to be a sentence?
@Erik Kemeey Nah
Last year I sold my spider man comics from issue 1 to 200.. Been collecting for 49 years, And was disappointed in the direction spider man had gone, they basically just want a young kid with no job, girlfriend, real problems and responsibilities, who sucks up to groups just as you put it. the films are good, but were not the spider man I started collecting. The Peter Parker who crushed the Pole on a bus When in anguish... The angry Peter after Stacy's death..death, the drug issues of the #90s,The one who went looking for the crook that killed his uncle, the spider man who nearly drowns at the bottom of a swimming pool..with a broken arm..I think?.. thanks to mysterio's illusions... I absolutely loved these and now we get Peter who moved into a flat with Some boomerang wannabe and a small dinosaur creature.. Although I collected them I couldn't relate, I can still read the old ones and relate, but not the new ones... So now just collect first appearances, like Hallows eve.. the spider man that got me interested in the 70s is dead... Maybe the new ultimate spider man with him having a family will be worth watching.. I'm reading..so hopefully.. So I totally agree with your commentary..also making spider man black like miles Morales just to satisfy a minority and then giving that character the same name with similar powers slightly different costume and 80% of the same villains does not make Morales.. spider man...they might as well have given him another name like spider boy or something except now you've got a spider boy as well... Honestly I could rant on the subject, I'm so annoyed about it all... Marvel Comics has taken away the very character they hooked me in with and ruined it.. And could you have spiderman of the 60s and 70s back with a 21st century twist, who knows, but not this simp, not the one you see today....good job marvel.
THANK YOU. MCU Spider-Man is terrible has no redeeming qualities as a character or as a coherent trilogy.
I hate how he's given all the keys and still does nothing with them. He cannot stand on his own evident with his dependent relationship with Iron Man without him he has no villains of his own, Vulture is a direct consequence of iron man/avengers, Mysterio again a failure of iron man, and with his 3rd film he relies heavily on other iterations of the character he NEEDED the Spider Man of the past AKA NOSTALGIA take everything out of NWH and it's nothing that's why I hate the movie it's only good because it's Fan Service.
I'm somewhat excited that hes now on his own detached from the Avengers and Iron-Man no one knows him he'll be able to put the MAN in Spider-Man. He'll eventually join through secret wars but the dynamic will now be different. The damage has been done, MCU Spider-Man is IRON BOY JR no two ways about it.
Tobey is NO.1. Undisputed.
You're welcome! Love Tobey, although I feel like we still haven't gotten the quintessential live action Spider-Man. Not sure if we ever will at this point.
excellent video, disney doesn't understands spidey, Stan and Ditko created him to be an independent teenager different from robin or bucky, he's not an idiotic kid that goes after a playboy billionaire that mistreats him seeing him like a baby, no, spider-man sees him equal to the others heroes, he have powers after all, in no way home things got better, but it's funny that they have to make 3 movies just to show spidey basics motivations, lol, I hope that next movies get better.
People only watch the Spider-Man Home Trilogy just to see Vulture, Mysterio, Doc Ock, Electro, Goblin and even Jameson.
The only 6th villain that No Way Home was missing was Dane DeHaan as Harry Osbourne/Hobgoblin.
Toby’s spiderweb is superior because it’s natural
Unfunny British comedian pretending to be spider-man. That's what Tom Holland is.
it's why i don't like tobey's spider-man either and why i'm always surprised people like him the most. he's not as bastardized, but he's not the peter from the comics, he just goes through what comics peter does
Peter was driven by selfishness in the Raimi films before Uncle Ben’s death. He only wanted to use his powers to buy a car to impress Mary Jane. Him lashing out of Uncle Ben before he goes wrestling is because he deep down knows he is using his power for a selfish gain to please Mary Jane.
hope you respond back, this would have been my idea, the Civil War one would have been the same, but for Homecoming, mostly it would be different, Vulture is still the same, but with no family, and Peter has a crush on Liz Allen (Bella Thorne) who is a massive bitch, who is in a relationship with jock bully Flash Thompson (KJ Apa), and is close friends with Betty Brant (Laura Marano) a student at Midtown who dreams of a job at the Daily Bugle who is also in love with Peter, and suspects he's Spider-Man, and Peter tests out the Stark suit, but felt like it's not him and creates his own costume once again, which resembles Steve Ditko's Spider-Man and he still discovers a deal going down, and does try to stop it, and and the Washington thing doesn't happen, but the State Fair scene still happens, but it's Toomes who cuts the Staten Island Ferry in half and, Spider-Man does all he can to keep it together and Stark still arrives to help fix it, and later at school, Betty finally ushers up the courage to tell Peter her feelings and asks him to Homecoming, which he accepts but he finds out that Vulture is gonna rob Stark's Plane, and briefly struggles with going with Betty or stopping Vulture and quickly makes a decision, and apologies to Betty who kisses him and tells him she knows and tells him to go, and he goes off to stop Toomes and the same final battle happens, but without Iron Boy, and at the end of the movie, Betty and Peter are now happily together, and Peter tells Stark when he feels ready, he'll accept a membership at the Avengers, I still have some more.
@Erik Kemeey what’s outdated about it? And the only suit Tony should’ve made was the Iron- Spider suit, not his classic suit. The tech he uses are things that he actually creates
I always head canon that aunt may has a chronic illness in the MCU, much like my mom and neighbor has. Idk why, I guess I just projected my own loved ones onto her, like how she kept helping others and running charity while dealing with chronic fatigue and flashes of illness. I wish they had added something like that to her character.
Sure Tobey had his awkward moments but that is PETER
I don’t think Tom Holland is the perfect spider man from a writing standpoint but from Tom hollands performance is amazing as spider man. I don’t really think mcu spider man needs to be comic accurate because if I’m telling the truth the mcu isn’t very accurate to comics I’m a lot of places.
This entire trilogy sucks for me
Interesting. No Way Home didn't do it for you?
@@TheMavMan it was good, it felt like a Saturday morning cartoon. The cast from the previous films carried the movie for me. I guess that’s the exception, the first two didn’t do anything for me.
But we never had spider man in the mcu so I don't know what you re saying
This video was really good, to me when i first saw homecoming i liked it, i thought MCU spiderman would be good since it seemed stark was out of the picture
Instead we got far from home with SHIELD and an awful villain
And then we got no way home which replaces uncle ben and all it does is bring back characters from the other movies, which is cool, but makes the movie a mess
Your video was a perfect example of how i feel about MCU spiderman, you deserve way more subs
That's very kind of you to say, thank you! Spider-Man's my guy. We do our weekly Last Page eps on movies, but I want to make more video essays like this. My next one will be on the Spider-Man 94 show.
Do you have a favorite Spider-Man adaptation, animated or live action?
@@TheMavMan i always liked spectacular spiderman, and my favorite movies are the sam raimi ones
Also if you’re interesting ive been making my own spiderman series on this channel, episode 3 is coming out in october
So what happens if spider man dose not exist in the mcu then you be happy and some right if spider man dose not exist in mcu and his film trilogy but then which means if spider man dose not exist then the mcu would have been boring
this breakdown is so good
@Erik Kemeey okay.
@Erik Kemeey because not everyone is going to share your opinion you twat
Let's hope that if there's a spider man 4, then Peter Parker is gadgetless suitless and starting from scratch, living on his own with no family having to find a job having to support himself and hopefully this could be the first Real True spider man from the 60s.
I hope the movies after Nwh will fix most of these things.
I hope so too! Won't get my hopes up tho. MCU seems lost, even though I liked NWH.
I think you are trying to compare two different things here.
This spiderman is goofy af
So if you and some don't like mcu spider man character and Peter then also spider man mcu films then what is you re mcu character and movies also for some
I think andrews spider man would defo not get along with the avengers
Well I like Tom Holland's Spider-Man but like I don't like how Tony Stark is like everything to him. I wish he was more of his own man like I don't think it's bad that it was a mentor thing but it shouldn't be a sidekick situation and I will say he really isn't as bad and I do know comics and shows. But if yall disagree with me liking him that's good because everyone's got a opinion yk.
At this point with the Spiderman cómics (except for the new ultímate spider man cómic coming out soon)
At this point mcu peter is more so like cómics Spiderman
Bro got cocked block worked by paul and works with norman osborn and got a suit by him and trustes him and then got posseded by the entity of the green goblin and begged for mercy to tombstone and actively sturggles with even talking to Back cat and broke up with MJ ect
At this point its sorta sad to see how much he has fallen to the point most other Spiderman are verter than him
But I get what you re saying also are you trying to say that spider man should not exist in the mcu because
Why do they keep making spiderman go maskless we dont need to see the actors face and why does he have all theses suits
11:35 but the major problem with that is that the comics let him grow enough to get a job st the daily bugle. that gives a person a sence of self worth. whereas in the MSHEU as a teen he was privileged by tony stank.
they privleged him before he could get a chance to examine his self worth! thumbs up if you agree with me!
Toby’s spider-man is the best live action
Ironman: “Excuse me, I’m Tony Stark: Billionaire playboy.”
Captain America: “Steve Rogers: American hero. Living legend.
Spider-Man: Go f#%k yourself.”
Absolutely. Its crazy how we have yet to see a funny yet heroic live action spiderman
I’d argue TASM2, since the action hasn’t been matched and the humor is underrated
That s true but I watched spider man homecoming and far from home and no way home and also spider man was first appeared in mcu was captain america Civil War and avengers infinity war and endgame so yeah
Thank you
Amazing points
Im not going to lie if you Don t like mcu spider man and some also that s all good but I'm not going to play the character like acting and yeah but I would love to play the character chris evans played in mcu so yeah
but I like chris evans character and sure I like other characters but I like chris evans captain america so also his films and the movie cameos he has and also I'm going to act as him in the future so yeah
I never watched the movies for the new Spiderman this one is different. The commercials had me cringing at the way he acts I only saw the Infinity war and Ironman is his daddy. This is a new version not as confident and wise cracking knowing that he is the best. I suppose maybe they just wanted to try something different. Something for everyone I suppose.
Before that Amazing Spider-Man annual, Spider-Man saved the Avengers from being assassinated in South America by a Kang robot.
That is true. If I remember correctly, he saves the Avengers but doesn't actually meet or interact with them. The Spider-Man annual #1 is the first true back & forth between said characters.
@@TheMavMan You're right, he didn't interact with them, but Cap saw the event and relayed the tale to his fellow Avengers.
Kinda makes the test moot.
Guardians of the galaxy movie 1 2 3 is good also avengers film also doctor strange movie the first one also black panther and ant man but mcu spider man mcu movies there just fun to watch so yeah but I also like to watch thor ragnarok and thor the dark world I know thor the dark world is not the best mcu film but I like it
I always said he was fighting on the wrong side in the mcu civil war
Lore of The Abysmal Failure of MCU Spider-Man momentum 100
10:24 tf do you mean by that lol
Also I like it when different versions of a character aren't all the same
I was joking 😅
Well my favorite mcu film a lot more is captain america the first avenger and also winter soldier and Civil War I like iron man 2008 film and also iron man 2 is okay but kind like iron man 3 but thor 2011 a lot more
@The Mav Man You're right MCEU Spider-Man is way off the from the source material. Do you realize that the MCEU Spider-Man is what teenagers are like today and what they were like at the time that Tom Holland first appeared as Peter Parker?
But tom Holland played the character so yeah but I get what you re saying so yeah
Also the films
So that s okay if you and some don't like the mcu spider man so yeah
Anyways all a lot of questions
I already disagree and I haven’t even watched the video
But I get what you re saying so yeah but everybody have there own thoughts and I respect it so yeah
Good video but your description of who Spider-man is in the comics relies on a misconception.
Steve Ditko Spider-man isn't Comic Book Spider-man. His version may have been the original but isn't the one that's stuck.
Steve Ditko Spider-man is a loner, a very bitter and resentful one at that. No interpretation of Spider-man after would be this bitter. He even shouts at protesters. He may be anti-authority in so far that his pride and independence prevents him from being submissive and such, but at the same time, he's not anti-establishment.
OG Peter would have something to say to Spider-punk lol.
Post-Romita Sr. Spider-man mellows out. He's still writen to be a 'standalone' hero but his social group expands, his temperament mellows out and his empathy becomes further highlighted. He even becomes more co-operative with other superheroes.
Even Ultimate Spider-man which is the epitomy of a hot tempered teen already has friends pre-Spider-man and is no where near as bitter and insecure.
The only iteration of Spider-man that could even compare to the pride and bitterness isn't even Peter Parker but Superior ironically enough. But his character faults are far more extreme since he was a villain. He even loses his Avengers membership partly because of his standofish demeanor(alongside his ruthless conduct)
Love your take! You're obviously extremely well-versed in all things Spider-Man and I greatly appreciate your point of view. While the Ditko-era was Spidey's most cynical, perhaps, I still believe it was Stan Lee who was driving most of the character arcs and development. I know Ditko disputed how much credit he deserved but, in my humble opinion, the best/most accurate Spider-Man spans from the Ditko to Romita Sr time, which would've been the 100+ issues that Stan Lee wrote. Peter does evolve and plays better with others as time goes on, but he's still an independent, sarcastic loner at the end of the day, which is what all the subservient MCU Spider-Man appearances whiff on prior to No Way Home.
I never got into the Ultimate comics, the art style was a big turn off. The ultimate show had good art, but super goofy, dumbed down direction imo. I think the stories and handling of the characters in the Spectacular show was good, but the art was far too cartoonish for me. But that's just me! Salut, true believer!