Why Some Crown Molding Profiles Can't Be Coped - Sometimes you just have to miter...
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this video we look at why some crown profiles can't be coped and must be mitered. We look at some different profile examples of crown that must be mitered, along with explanation of how to identify crown molding that profiles that can't be coped. We cover techniques related to coping crown more effectively.
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(0:00) Intro
(0:27) I Prefer to Cope, But Sometimes It's Not Possible
(1:17) What a Cope Joint Really Is
(2:29) How to Identify a Crown Profile That Can't Be Coped
(3:10) Examples of Crown Profiles That Can't Be Coped in Sketchup
(5:27) Understanding and Visualizing a Coped Through Joint
(6:44) Proper Crown Position for Easy Coping
(8:32) "Flipping" The Crown Into Coping the Nested Coping Position
(8:44) Vertical, But Slightly Canted Blade for Perfect Copes
(11:47) Using a Barrel Grip Jigsaw w/ Coping Foot
(12:51) Real Life Visual on Why Coping Doesn't Work on Some Profiles
(15:25) Broaden Your Skillset 
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When I'm sad and not coping very well, I just remember to turn my crown upside down.
That's a dad joke if there ever was one. LOL Well played sir.
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I'm a father of two kids. So I'm more than qualified to be dropping dad jokes 😂
Full disclosure, I normally find dad jokes corny. Having said that, Yours literally put a smile on my face & a chuckle in my voice.
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Can't fault this guy can you. One of the best chippies on youtube and no ego about it at all. Fairplay.
I just ran into some crown I couldn't cope and I thought I was an idiot or something was wrong with me. Then I remembered this video. I had to readjust. I haven't mitered everything since I learned about coping.
If you ain't learning something new everyday you're simply not paying attention, thanks for the knowledge dude, always worth having all the tricks handy
Spencer you're the man! I've been doing this a long time, and I love that I can learn something from a guy 20 years younger than me. I met Dave Collins close to 20 years ago at a JLC convention. Bought his coping foot on the spot when I saw how easy he made it look. Held a piece of trim in the air with one hand, and jigsaw in the other hand and flew through it like butter ending up with a perfect coped joint. From watching your videos I learned years later how much better it is to cope in the nested position than on flat. Everything you stated is absolutely true, especially about keeping an open mind. While some things are just wrong, so many things are open to more than one approach. Katz is also the man.. I've met him in person as well.
Keep up the good work!
Have always been a cope guy and have most definitely had profiles that were just impossible to have a nice cope connection. Now I know why.
I’ve always coped by hand and kept my coping saw blade perpendicular to the curves at all points as cutting with a back cut. I’m so anxious to try your method out. And those of your mentors who’s channel I have recently discovered. Thanks Spencer.
Another great video and once again I learned a few new tricks. I'm "that guy" you mentioned that copes using a coping saw and with the crown laying flat on its back. A carpenter showed me how to do it about 30 years ago and I never gave it much thought after. I wasn't aware of a more accurate way to do it or a better tool to do it with. I also now know why I've had some issues coping some crowns. I always thought the reason some joints didn't fit as tight as others was due to my coping skills. In retrospect, it wasn't me, it was the crown I was using. I never realized some crowns can't be coped.
I finally get it COMPLETELY. Best explanation ever. Thanks.
I love that you've also sectioned the video into chapters to make it even more useful!
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I've been a carpenter for almost 20 years and I love learning new things, I'm always looking over the other trades shoulders watching what they are doing and asking questions. The other guys onsite call me the sponge. 😂 Cos I'm sucking up all their knowledge.
Spencer, thank you so much for taking the time to put this tutorial together. Great explanation all around!
You hit nail on head , every one can learn I been doing it 45 years I'm still learning
I don't do crown often but there have been times I have run into something like this but didn't know why they wouldn't fit. Very frustrating. Now I know what to look for. Thanks
Thanks for the video. I haven't come across this issue yet but now when I do I'll be thankful. Great advice in your closing comments to keep an open mind to learning new thing. My best days are when I learn something new. I'm 51 and learning all the time.
Insider Carpentry always helpful and selfless. Thanks Spence!
My English is not good , but thanks for all the videos you do , I learn a lot .
I learned this technique from Gary’s videos as well. Learning some crown can’t be coped 🤯 Thanks man!
I also employ a sanding disc with grinder...Finish Carpentry TV channel and also my hand file set
Nice shout out to Gary Katz. I’ve gone to a couple of his in person all day workshops and it completely super charged my finish skills. From tool set up and jigs to time savers aka money makers. After the first one I took my crew so they could learn as well. Once I used the Collins coping foot I never looked back. And that magic shim trick for doors is amazing.
Thank you for this detailed explanation on coping. I agree with your philosophy on keeping an open mind and learning new skills.
Thank you for the thorough explanation...well done!
Thank you Spencer for sharing your knowledge with us,
Awesome Spencer! Again, thanks for your videos!
Your instructional videos are excellent. Thank you for your dedication to the craft and the time you spend sharing your skills, knowledge and talent.
Spencer is giving out Gems today! 🙌🏼
Im mostly a tile guy but find myself getting stuck doing some finish carpentry as well. Your channel has made me so much better at a lot of that stuff. Luckily my buddy is a carpenter that doesn’t like doing side work anymore so I barrow a lot of his stuff lol.
Cheers to the well explained videos mate.
Glad to help
Thanks for sharing your skills and learning philosophies!
Love your channel and your skill set is amazing. Thank you.
I had some profiles I think, is it me? the cope? my saw set up? what the heck is going on. Awesome video Spence, especially the angle on the bench to site down and cope, thumbs up...
Painters are, are best friends when doing crown as such. I usually will take the time to make corrections rather then hope the painter will...
keep up the great work. And yes,, got to think out of the box!
Great explanation. Thanks for taking the time to make this video
Thanks again Spencer for another very informative video lesson.
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Your worst work is better than 90% of the "professionals" I have to clean up after these days. Good work.
Great one, two punch. Gary Katz 's video is course 101, and this video is the 201 class. I use the same technique and have gotten very good results. I still use the Bosch barrel trip but I am close to pulling the trigger on the 20v Dewalt barrel grip. Keep up the great work.
Very informative and clearly explained 👍🏼
You are an old soul! Very mature and knowledgeable, keep up the good work
For me I only miter my crown for two reasons. One it’s faster and second it’s stronger by gluing the joint. I also only cut in the nested position. I also only cut in the mitre position too. By only changing the miter on the saw instead of Changing the mitre and the bevel. It saves a lot of time and way more efficient.
Great video great topic!!
And saves from blade deflection.
Great words of wisdom to widen your skill set and don’t pigeon hole yourself. I found my most comfortable format on coping was a Makita 9031 belt sander 1-1/4x21” I preferred the smooth tooling as opposed to the bumping effect of a jigsaw and the exposed front pulley allows for a variety of profile sand offs, they also have a Model 9032 which is 3/8”x21” even tighter. Some horizontal cuts require a very slight corner detail I manage with a 4 way file rasp and rat tail for rounds if needed.
Thanks spencer very helpful
Great advice as always .
Love you videos man. They are always so informative. I strive to be as good as you one day.
Thanks again for a great, informative video. I'm 58 years now, I've been a carpenter since I was 23, and I'm always looking to improve. Meaning I know there are many ways to execute a particular job and I know how to do it, but I like to see other ways to do that job if that makes sense. Thanks for your videos
informative , love this formatt
You’re awesome and very inspirational, I love finish carpentry,yours and Richards videos are great,helpful, and REAL,,,,keep up the good work
So good. Thank you for the video.
Not sure if I've ever seen this topic explained in such detail. Excellent instruction and detail! Thank you (and no dad jokes for me) I've met my quota for the year already lol
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the words of wisdom at the end 🙏🏽. As a new carpenter, it means a lot.
Thanks for sharing!!
Well done Sir!
17 and a half minutes of absolute gold.
Again, can't thank you enough for taking the time to make these!
Keep 'em coming!
Wish I knew this years ago when I was installing crown for the first time and couldn’t figure out why I was having so much trouble. A couple of corners somehow worked out ok, I guess because it’s an old house and everything is out of square but there is one corner that required a lot of wood filler and caulk. We’re about to do another room using the same crown molding. I’ll probably still cope it and do a liquid cope for the piece that gets cut off.
This video was fantastic
Another great video, hat's off to you
Great video!
I took a screen shot of you holding that coping saw!
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Haha. First time I’ve touched a manual coping saw in years. 😂
good work mate. chippy from Aus
in aus, we dont do crown much at al. Most is a gypson cornice and is done by plaster fixers and setters
great video.
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Another well done video! I couldn't agree more with your comments about being open minded and not thinking your way is the best/only way. I have worked as a carpenter for 30+ years, the first 25 years almost exclusively as a framing contaractor. I can think of quite a few small tips I picked up from other people, that after I was shown them were "Oh Duh!" Moments when the small tip was so simple that it should have been obvious. Then after applying what I learned I could quite literally save days of cumulative time on a typical new const framing project. I have even been hired by other companies to come work on a temporary basis to see how they are doing things and show them areas where they can work more efficiently. People who aren't willing to learn and adapt are only hurting themselves. BTW, I have only ever cut crown upside-down/backwards as you demonstrated. Are you going to make a video showing any tips on how to cut taller crown profile by laying it flat in the saw?
Maybe someday, but probably not anytime soon as I never use that method personally.
Nice job, Spenser!
Thanks Gary. 👊👊
Thanks Gary for all the knowledge. I took your workshops back in the day in the Bay Area in nor cal, then the next time brought my crew. It upped my finish work, made me more efficient and allowed me to stay well paid. Doors went faster, crown was easier, and all my clients sing my praises and gave referrals. Gratitude for you sir.
Like the new video style👍
Whatever the opposite of monotone is you reached it with this one. 😀
Trying to get better every week. Thanks man!
Hey Spencer! Great format! Great video tool I can place in my saved files. No I did not know why some crowns were not copable!
I just thought it was beyond my skills! Isn’t Katz the man! I actually did some DM back & forth with him not many guys older than me still loving the game!
I even tried to get him into Church! He declined he likes his Yoga??????
Anyway thank you so much for forking down this road!
Us serious carpenters hv no “University” so we look to others such as you !
Nicely Done 📐🔨👍🏽
Thank you . great explanation of why some of my crown is such a pain in the a$$.
In fact, if you cope TOO MUCH of an angle you're going to leave too LITTLE meat on the angle and it may become brittle or fragile. But in all fairness you need filing and sanding to complete a "tight fit" (or fine tuning) as you say. Nice channel.
Gary Katz.. Nuff said!
Learned this years ago.
Happy to see it being talked about again.
I especially enjoy watching the “ know it all’s” eat crow
If you know so much why are you even watching. (Rhetorical)
I often cope base with beads in the profile using a trim router with a router bit that fits inside the profile of the bead. Why couldn’t you do the same for the beaded crown in your demonstration? It’s 10:38pm now so I’ll have to try it tomorrow. I’ll let you know what I find.
I've never encountered an uncopable crown. Asked and Answered lol
I all way cope with a coping saw.Then cope strong and use a rat tail to fit But i read one Gentlemens comment on using a drill in those spots sounds like a good idea I’m 68 years old and doing this a long time listen to anybody’s ideas keep the good ideas and kick out the bad ones is my philosophy
coping may take longer and seem harder but when you go and but that piece in and fits perfect its very rewarding and doesnt come with the frustration of maneuvering 2 pieces of material to get them lined up just right and nail em
Hey dumdum. Did you watch the video?
Thank You Thank You Thank You.
I used to cope all my crown when I started out 35 years ago doing stain grade and even paint grade until I saw that painters were still caulking my super tight joints. Now I 45 all my crown except when I run wood crown into flex crown then I cope the wood crown
I miter my crown and I change the compound miter to cut a lil more out the back of the cut to make the face of the joint a lil tighter and I add a 1/16 to every board that has 2 inside corner it makes it look like furniture grade work before paint 👍
👍 Thanks Coach.
One of most genuine guys out there just spreading his wealth of amazing carpentry skills to help others, cant thank you enough!
I never cope my crown anymore. I nest it and us an angle finder to get my miter. I find it much faster.
I need to try this to physically see "uncopable" crown.
But why do miters work? Because youre removing material from both pieces. Theyre going to go together if the angles are correct.
So for problem profiles a fix would presumably be to file/notch the through piece at the problem point(s) and it should go together.
Well, your "not great" cope joint looks like most of mine! No matter what I do, the line never fully "disappears." If nothing else because the coped side has *some" thickness to it even if its filed to a knife edge.
God blessings for you my friend
Can you go over crown molding on vaulted ceiling??!!
Use color wax crayon to fill the small gaps. Shadows hide all. Especially if its 8'+ up on the wall
Hi Spence thank you for all you do , you have helped me to be a better carpenter. can you help me to decide if I buy the jamb master 🙏, there is many different comments, some said the takes alot time to set up. also we're do you buy it. THANKS AGAIN.
Hey Spencer, I'm making a set of wings for my saw, could you tell me the distance between the two t-tracks that hold your crown stop? Also, any chance you saved the design of the crown stop? Maybe in Sketchup ?
Hey Spence I just wanted to comment I hv retired? Who cares? No my coping saw I now use a cordless cutting wheel with a flap sanding wheel! It uh? U know what I am talking about! Anyway wow it is fast & yes u must be steady! However I am a young 64 and no intentions of completely retiring! Do I hv to work ? No I am ok God blessed me however I started finish contracting oh 10-12 yrs ago and love it!
I am booked out until spring? Summer?
Ok buddy stay healthy wear eye gear, hearing protection, use top notch tools! Stay away from debt ( I watched that video!).
God bless!
Oh can you do a training video on coping changes in tools? And using the cut off wheel? Pros / Cons?
Am I the only one who thought that “un capable” joint looked pretty good when Spencer was showing it?
Stain grade is completely different to paint grade...but we got the point, very well explained
@@drewcama5481 interesting clients you have
Good morning Spencer, if I'm installing crown should I go around the room from left to right. When I get to the last piece does it have to be coped on both ends. I can't find any videos that show a complete installation
Awesome video! Does this apply to baseboard as well?
please show us how to cut crown on the flat. thanks for your content
I’d be happy getting a joint that ‘bad’ 😀
I only cope crown or any other trim if there is existing trim to tie into, miter cuts are way more efficient on a job site.
IN MY 55 Years of BE A CARPENTER I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CROWN MOLD I CAN COPE.
Love your work bud, how loud is your big dust extractor unit in your shop?
Mind blown! I thought you could cope anything.
Where I started, too. Never realized there is crown with such a profile.
Greatly appreciate all you efforts man, excellent information, Thanks
Good stuff Spencer. I made a set of wings and crown stop very similar to your setup. Tried the coping set up and like it. Seems to work better for left end copes and wonder if would be better to do right hand copes on left end of wings? Maybe I'm missing some minor detail?
Also i wish you'd go just a little more into how you designed and made your crown stop.
I love mine and really helps with the support being all the way across but have trouble seeing the scale in between detents. I notice you have holes to see through but do they work for different size molding? I do 3 1/4 to 6" primarily. Thanks for all the good info. DB
I have stock in caulk..it looks good to me