"The Complicated Relationship Between Man And Machine" | Mayday: Science of Disaster
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2023
- When pilots climb into the cockpit of a modern jetliner, they are putting their trust in an automated computer system that controls virtually every aspect of flight. It’s a complicated relationship between man and machine - and when it doesn’t work perfectly, disaster can strike in an instant.
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From Season 1 Episode 3 "Who's Flying The Plane?": Featuring gripping reenactments, archival footage, and eyewitness accounts, Who’s Flying the Plane? revisits some of the most troubling aviation disasters that resulted from problems with autopilots and computerized systems.
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one thing I learned from this show, the ground proximity warning is NEVER wrong
Pakistan International Airlines flight 268 pilots be like : If it doesn't ignore the ground.
That's true...and ALWAYS follow the TCAS instruction!!
Yeah every time they assume that the machine is wrong about the ground proximity, planes end up in the ground.
@@getsmarter5412what’s that ? Is that for Uranus ?
Except for that one where it read hail as the ground.
One thing to learn low terrain and stall warnings are never wrong, watching these episodes i got to understand this
Indeed, and we are not trained pilots!!!
Always PULL UP when the Terrain/Too low alert sounds...
@@DIVADUCHESSE I mean, unless you're dangerously close to a stall, which might make you fall out of the sky if you pull up too fast..
Apparently both do not rely on the same instruments as the primary displays, and are less vulnerable to detector malfunctions.
Stick shaker too!
I was a flight attendant for a major airline. I was working a New York Yankees baseball charter. We brought the team to Seattle (Boeing Field) and were scheduled to layover and deadhead back to EWR the next day on a passenger flight. Many of us decided we wanted to forego the layover and go straight back with the (empty) plane, to be home a day early and not have to deadhead on a full flight. The Captain who was flying the plane back had brought a friend... a man who was not an employee of the airline. He demanded that the station cater the flight and clean the first class cabin and lavatories... something that is not usually done at Boeing Field as it would be done at SEA. We waited for over an hour while the Captain took pictures of his friend in front of the plane and in the engine. The fact that his friend was not an employee, he wasn't supposed to be there and he definitely was not allowed on the tarmac. He totally disregarded the fact that the plane was supposed to go to Florida from EWR and he ended up delaying that flight with his delays. But that wasn't even the worst of what he would do. A few hours into the flight I went up to the first class cabin to get something. The first officer was sitting in a seat in the first row. I looked into the cockpit (the cockpit door was open since there were no revenue passengers on board) and saw the Captain standing behind the Captain seat... where his friend was sitting!! We knew how to call Crew Scheduling from the seatback telephone. A mechanic who was onboard called them and requested to speak to a Supervisor. He told them what was happening. Over the next few days, we all gave statements... but NOTHING happened to the Captain! I wish we had done something more during the flight. I think the First Officer was intimidated by the Captain and that was why she wasn't in the cockpit. I think we were all intimidated and didn't want to confront him. We could've very easily ended up one of these segments on this video.
I would have confronted him even tho I am a woman. The airlines are still a male dominated industry thus the good old boy network abounds. I refer to it as "small male mentality" and it only applies to those who participate. I am aware that there are " real men" pilots too who treat female pilots with respect. Just like in corp America this too will change. Thank goodness more women are getting into aviation. I probably should have but I was born in 1959 so the fight for respect would have probably been lost. It was hard enough entering Corp America in 1982.
@@paulazemeckis7835 I totally agree, we should have said something, and I can't remember exactly why we didn't. It was over 20 years ago. He was a total nutjob though.
After a few fatal mishaps because of the first officer being afraid to question the Captain, airlines changed things and implemented CRM (Crew Resource Management). So, there's that.
Wow this story makes me mad. Thanks for sharing. A captain should know better.
@@paulazemeckis7835 what makes you think men don’t have to earn respect either?
@@paulazemeckis7835 everything you just said is an excuse, show me where it says women can’t be pilots. Amelia Earhart was a pilot in the 1930s for gods sake who was given clearance to attempt the worlds toughest flight. Everything you just said is utter bullshit.
Several air disaster videos have blocked pitot tubes as the cause of the accident. How come they don't have an in cockpit test they can do on the ground to ensure the pitot tubes are not blocked. Ensuring compressed air from a small pump can be blown out of the pitot tubes. That could also clear debris in the tubes. I think something like this would save lives.
5 scenes of air disaster
2:23 1. AeroPerú Flight 603 🇵🇪
12:57 2. China Airlines Flight 006 🇹🇼
20:38 3. Aeroflot Flight 593 🇷🇺
29:05 4. Flash Airlines Flight 604 🇪🇬
36:06 5. Air Transat Flight 236 🇨🇦
You forgot this:
36:06 5. Air Transit Flight 236 🇨🇦
Also, China Airlines wasn’t “a Chinese airline.” China Airlines was actually a Taiwanese airline. 🇹🇼
@@eduardgenardandalis1437 thank you I also forgot sorry about that I appreciate it
@@Sahilprakash1999 You’re welcome, and that’s ok.
It’s so considerate when ppl do this of their own accord, thank you! 😊
Interestingly these accidents either ended up with 0 deaths, or everyone dead
Always give priority to the terrain warning alert!!!
That is the same as in trucking, as soon as you know it all, quit and become a safety man before you become a safety statistic.
I agree. Always be learning and excited about what you don't know but want to.
The problem in today's world of tech is that people tend to put a lot more trust in it than they should. Technology is as susceptible to failure as humans are, possibly even more so. It's very dangerous to assume that modern flight navigation and other relevant software can replace the human brain. As my chief in the always said: "trust but verify".
It should be a crime to let anyone other than the captain sit in his/her seat while in air !
Can't imagine what losing a friend or family member would feel like if that was the cause. I feel rage for those people.
@@OGJeff685 I felt the same way
You forgot to say “they/them” as well. How dare you be so offensive.
"Their" is also a word
Well that was not the problem here. There are 2 seats not just one. Both control and one can take over. 593's problems in no way included children. While they were a catalyst, failures in other ways were what brought the plane down. Including the plane having a unnoticeable alarm when the autopilot disengaged, the pilots never being trained on what would disengage the autopilot, and the copilot not being belted into his seat. If those 3 things were rectified, grandma could sit in the Captain's seat and the plane would make it to the airport.
Such exercises are a fantastic way to inspire future pilots, but some rules must be followed such as never allowing the guest to actually control the airplane and always having 2 pilots in the cockpit. If you notice, the captain of 593 never actually intended for the children to fly. He just adjusted the autopilot to somewhat match their inputs.
Amazing that China air flight recovered being so close to the ocean.
One thing for sure Pito tubes cause a lot of crashes
Powerful bright headlights should be used on all air crafts, also tape should be bright fluorescent colors. The tape could have a tab of the tape to peal off to place on the mechanic's forearm, when finished cleaning the plane the tape is removed along with the tab. One more thing, cameras should be placed under the plane so the pilot can see damage/fire.
Well Extremely bright headlights on jets are not good to use if a pilot flies into some heavy cloudcover because the light would bounce off the cloud and back into the cockpit thus blinding the pilots. Just driving through a blizzard at night in your car if you turn your highbeams on itll bounce off the heavy snow and blind you. Jets do have exterior lights on them there are just times they arent very effective. Ive noticed that Airbus puts exterior Cameras on their A380s and the pilot can see the tail fin, the top of the plane, and I think the wheels as well Im not sure on that on a little monitor in the cockpit. But of course theyre only use during the day. Technology improves every year it is a process.
Though I haven't flown real plane, the realistic clouds in MSFS is enough to show that how disorienting it is when you're flying without any visual reference points. So I turned the simulation to a summer-like weather (tall clouds with rain) and flew around casually and tried to enjoy the feeling of piecing through clouds, (which I never had on mobile flight sims) I find it basically impossible to navigate through clouds without the instruments in the plane and the in-game minimap. Luckily I already know quite a lot about flying by the time I did that, or I could be plunging towards the sea!
ATC knew they have problems with the plane's sensors, then proceeded to give them information that came from those same instruments?...
That's no more a Cirrus SR-20 than I am.
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Stupified is the perfect term for exactly where we're headed. We are the smartest, dumbest species this world will ever know.
One's intelligence shouldn't need a battery level indicator.
Those Pitotubes should have automatic cover once on the ground to prevent mosquito & bugs, fethers from birds etc.
What happens when St.Peter tubes strike a bird or swarm of bugs ? ?
Those tubes should be absolete & replaced by more reliable instruments.
I think there was many mullfunctions of Pitotubes, maybe too many & many crashes. It is surprising how long they have been used in civil aviation .
Something I hear a lot on the crash videos, the pilot will say to the passengers, “You’ll be on the ground in 15 minutes.” And, unfortunately, they were on the ground not long after. I’d rather hear, “We’ll have you at the gate in 20 minutes.”
My Dad always said that any landing you can walk away from is a good one!
Some of these remind me when I flew Southwest non-stop New York to Moscow and I was flying my 737 inverted up to a MIG 28. I have a Polaroid to prove it.
😂 The way they design Commercial Jets Nowdays Im pretty sure a skilled pilot could pull that off!
After watching a couple of these videos, I find it funny that it always starts with Wright Brothers.
Whoa - they just casually let that kid fly the plane into the ground. That was spooky!
I hate when they see an issue an they just chill for 30 minutes waiting for another issue to pop up .. if you can't figure it out declare an emergency what are u flying an autopilot chilling for
That's a Piper Seminole, a Cirrus! Seminole has two engines and can actually recover from a spin.
When we gonna get some different ones uploaded instead of the same ones 15 different times?
Hi.
Well I have never seen this one but I do understand your problem
Theres not enough plane crashes now a days to keep up with your demand....
Fr I want new stuff on this channel I'm so bored of watching the same stuff
Well as long as planes keep getting safer we're eventually going to run out of such viewing material, In fact we already are. Most air crashes are from the 60s to late 90s, not much from the 2000s. Win some lose some I guess.
Yeah. These are getting played. There has been millions of plane crashes
Flights like AeroPeru 603, Ethiopian 302 and Lion Air 610 are prime examples of what happens when we place too much trust in machines..it's to the point where they so much for us we don't even really know how to do it for ourselves anymore...i love tech and I'm very savvy when comes to computers and electronics but I never let them do that much for me to where dependent on it.. i mean down to Google remembering my passwords i try not to depend on tech too much ..it irks me something like MCAS can kick in on a flight and pitch the nose down with the pilots having no real way of circumventing it..manual control should always be an option ..always be Paramount
MCAS was implemented because Boeing Engineers redesigned the location and size of the engines which altered how the plane handled in flight. The Newly Designed Max tended to pitch during flight and cause a dangerous stall. The MCAS system leveled the plane to prevent that however the MCAS got data from AOA sensors that are located in the nose of the plane and on those 2 unfortunant accidents fed faulty data to the MCAS computer and MCAS did what it was designed to and level the plane out. Im paraphrasing but I read a very interesting article from USA today that explained how MCAS and AOA is supposed to work and what caused the accidents. My personal thoughts is the redesign of the Plane why didnt they do some modifications to the design if the plane tended to pitch because of the size and location of the engines? I think of it as a design flaw of the plane itself and to save time and manpower as well as money Boeing just said "Well we will just install some sensors and a computer system to fix the problem instead of modifying some designs on the plane!" Thats my opinion as I am not an engineer but I have always been fascinated with aviation and jets because I grew up on Naval Bases and my dad was an aircraft mechanic so Ive been around F14s and F16s...C130s...And Helicopters. And the coolest thing ever as a kid...is sitting in the cockpit of an F14 Tomcat! They only allowed that if the active duty parent had permission from the captain or commander and we werent allowed to have cameras of course because its top secret but we got put our hands on yoke and push a couple buttons and the pilot showed us all the controls.
I sincerely hope they enacted an INTERNATIONAL law forbidding all passengers from never being allowed in the pilot's seat.
45:22
Ayo is that the thomas and friends breaking sound effect?
Aeroperu was the most unfortunate one
Apparently the Seminole identifies as a Cirrus SR-20
You caught that too?! 🤣
That’s my old flight school too lol. It’s now been renamed L3 Harris. Total joke there
steep impact full episode please
As a child (6) flying on a Comet 4 from London to Dar-es-salaam, I was allowed to sit in the Captains seat and handle the controls, the Sahara desert far below. It is a dirty brown not yellow sand. We got to be members of the "Junior jet club" with log books and a magazine. Tables between seats. Very civilised. Unaccompagned.
I got to sit in the pilot’s lap when I was 3 years old. That was 1960. Up until 9-11 you could ask a flight attendant if you could get a cockpit tour and most of the time the answer was yes.
@@mikedineen7857 Yes. We flew several times unaccompanied from London to Da-es-salaam on 4 Merlin Argonauts and later Comet 4s. Got to sit in Captain's seat and became a Member of the Junior Jet club with our own magazine! Table between seats.......midnight Benghazi to refuel 130 octane avgas.....slovenly barman gives us luke warm Bumedian fruit drink, so badly made that the colour/flavour settled out - cigarette dangling from his unshaven slack jaw....back in the plane; and the end of the runway, FULL power, the a/c quivering, then surging hard, the drink trolley smashing down the aisle.....off over the Sahara.
@@davidwheatcroft2797 wow what a adventure
someone send me a link for the score of these episodes, it really makes an impact on the feel of the episode. :0
return!
Well You havent really lived until a Jet you are flying on goes inverted like a fighter jet and youre around afterwards to tell the tale and beat the pilot's ass for scaring the living daylights out of you even if it was emergency situation!
Ram Air Turbine? You're kidding me, right?
New title:blind pilots
Ps... Sup Dew-dawg!
I'm thinking... there is a LOT of dead time in the cockpit where pilots should not be passively monitoring the automation. The industry has cut command crew to the minimum. But there should be a third co-pilot science station like the flight engineer's station in 747s, where crew can take turns running simulations harvesting utilising world data from the plane. These simulations would be completely isolated from the plane operations.
EVERY commercial plane in the air should also be a science platform running large scale simulations and collecting crew performance data on an order of magnitude greater than everything occurring throughout the industry today. In effect this would be aeronautical science program on the scale of citizen science.
This way, the test pilot, running simulations could always be a back up for the prime crew. And the prime crew have something meaningful to do if they get bored. Obviously, this has to be done in the context of crew flight hours and wellbeing. In fact, down time could be part of the science project, conducting very large scale long term health studies on the effects of flight. I'm not suggesting this technology be used as big brother by corporations: the crew should have real power over how the data is used.
Am Addicted to this Airplanes show.
and we're supposed to have completely automated CAR function by 2050. We haven't even got autopilot on planes figured out
The focus on technology takes away from the focus of basics.... pitch + power = performance. Pitot/static gauges not working? Well, more than likely a blockage. The radio alt does not operate on this system and is rarely wrong.
I thought that airplane will disappear from atc radar if it gets too low over water... If it does, that could be a clue to pilots and atc person...
Never seen a twin engine Cirrus
Putting an unfit person at the helm of affairs is the hallmark of the Oriental world.
An idea... Emergency USB input from a cell phone for at least basic altitude, speed and direction? Oh right, that comes from GPS and inertial, both of which are already built-in.
As I am learning, this is poor project management, inadequate brainstorming during requirements elicitation.
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How can they be at 7,000 ft with engines at idle. Extending speed brakes was bad decision
can we have misstaken identaty
Ok the kiddo disengaged the autopilot he was smart enough to recognize it and mention it as a "co-pilot" : and for mnts they where all just wondering by the actual co-pilot was on his sit having mnts of time to shut the auto &take control of the aircraft and he didn't even touch the steering =they where all observing the kid in control and the computer screens.. --the co-pilot didn't grab the steering while the plane was turning having more than 120secs to correct the plane before the G-force hit'em all.. Only the kiddo payed attention & informed 'em --im very angry with the co-pilot just having his hands crossed tho rest his soul in peace and all the rest of'em, but i cant process it, didn't sleep last night i went to my work sleepless this morning --Thats why i felt the need to comment take it outta me..
there should be 30 minute check list out entire plane before take off and after landing
Theres also a bank and turn indicator and artificial horison,,,completely independent of other readings,,not to have used them seems extraordinary,,
Huh?
8:46 i think the real question here is .. what brand of tape was that ? i mean it held strong thru wind and cold and a plane crash and still didnt come off thats some damn fine tape that is lol
Why is it that pilots & flight crew, can't seem to tell when their plane is level, or sideways or pointing up or down.?
_I don't get it._ *(loose items would fall forward & sideways, yet they can't feel the same pull of gravity ?)*
You can do a barrel roll and retain 1g the whole time. There are videos on you tube showing a person holding a glass of water while the pilot does a perfect barrel roll. The water in the glass never moves. Also, in total darkness acceleration can easily be mistake for going up, even when you’re going down. You Inner ear is easily , easily fooled.
@@getsmarter5412 I'm sorry, that I forgot to mention that this also occurs on clear days when they can look out the window (or read their instruments), and easily see the sky & ground to know that they are upside down.
_Most unfortunate._
(perhaps panic & tunnel vision ?)
Also, I've been upside down on amusement park rides "with my eyes closed," and I could still tell that I was turned upside down.
So their radar is not radar.....wtf....smh.
I'm a Zambia engineer I'm thinking why can't the aircraft engineer put two big air ant active parashoot such that when the aircraft is not in good shape to be controlled the pilot has to push one button to activate the parashoot to keep the aircraft in slowly decending this way you might save more life because it will floating in air slowly and also for the water put some floating suspension surrounding the plan to make it float
In Zambia, when a child has diarrhoea, do you treat them by putting superglue in the assh*le? You cannot propose such a simplistic solution to a very complex problem Mr Engineer from Zambia.
You should get your money back from your engineering school.
However, Kelsey, of 74 crew YT channel has a great video of exactly why this would never work, amongst sooo many others. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Tubes covered to protect from cleaning..... Checklist must be marked off as tape is removed... Or which ever other items finalized... Checklist must be paper with clearly highlighted finalization highlight marks...
The pilot of that hijacked Ethiopian Airlines 767 that ditched survived that ordeal. Sometime later, he was flying another plane, and it too was hijacked! He survived that too, but I wouldn't want to be on any other planes he flew!
Maintenance workers must have a check list that they need to follow. Once completed the check list needs to be sign off. This process needs to be replicated by at least three people, each working independently.
That's the most russian crash i've ever heard..
If a few pieces of duct tape can cause a tragedy like this then it is a poorly designed system. But like any aircraft safety measures, the required body count must be reached first. If you don't believe it just look to the Boeing Maxx crashes. Crash #1 no action, Crash #2 no action, Near crash #3=action.
That's the same flight school I go to, now it's called L3Harris
Possibly a last-ditch override button that forces the plane to trust the automation
Poor acting by pilot in this episode
As an old bold living pilot, SHUT OFF THE COMPUTER< AUTO PILOT< DON"T TRUST YOUR INSTRUMENTS< AND FLY THE PLANE!!! Just like the old Cessna 150! Boys, take over now or you, your passengers, and aircraft will die! There some basic mistakes, over and over, if the stick shaker goes off, you're gonna stall! Don't push power, it's too late! Push the nose down, you morons! Db
Poor pilots!
And poor passengers
That MCAS system was some crazy stuff!
flt 603, altitude check ?
Have to say there are some bogus things being reported here. Tape should never be put on a static port or pitot tube of any kind without a logbook entry. You are modifying the aircraft to put that tape on. Another thing, fuelers and cleaners and baggage handlers are "ground service crews". Maintenance personnel are "Licensed Aircraft Mechanics" that can make and clear logbook entries. Trying to pass this off as a "local practice" is just foolish. If the captain saw a logbook entry in his book he would have never started the engines, Period. PS; there are external pressure ports on the old Pratt & Whitney engines you can tape over if you really want to ruin a hundred peoples lives. I find that some of the foreign practices are pretty touch and go like referring to Mechanics as Engineers, totally false, Engineers design stuff and Mechanics follow manufacturers manuals and FAA regulations. Lets make some sense here people. If you are a mechanic out designing aircraft parts, you are way out of your wheelhouse.
How many Farking times can you tell the same old stories. Sorry that aviation has a better safety record. Start filming Karen's and Kens fighting in the terminals. That Sh!t never gets old.....
I’m always excited to see a new plane crash on the news because that means they can make a new episode.
yikes
WTF?
Oh man, dark
@@ronjon7942 lol very dark humor :)
We're so running out of content bro😅. There is one that happened last week in Nepal, India I think. I'm looking forward to that but you know how investigations can drag on for years 😔
out side the plane
check me out, I am interested in becoming a pilot one day. Great channel
Some of these I just don't get. Wouldn't a plumb bob on a string in the cockpit have fixed these problems?
when planes crash related to new overheating entertainment gizmos you know hi tech went too far I would rather fly in ww2 bomber than the new Boeing AI garbage
*With such a dire warning, why not error on the side of caution, and just go up ?*
If they were wrong & went up, no problem, but if they are wrong & stay where they are, they risk crashing.
_Why take such a huge risk, & do nothing ?_ (bizarre)
what i don't get is that there are planes that have special landing gears that allow them to land on water (mind you those planes are smaller) but given how many planes have ditched in the sea in the past 50 years i would've thought someone would design a special landing gear for commercial airliners that would deploy when they had to land at sea allowing them to land in the water safely with inflated landing gear or have special airbags that would inflate when and airplane hits the ground or water softening the blow allowing the passengers to survive more crashes. i know it sounds simple but i understand the money and resources that would have to go into making those changes but come on for God's sake..... we can put men on the moon and robots on mars and split atoms but we can't design flotation devices or airbags to deploy in the event a plane has to crash or ditch at sea? or even a foam like device that would fill the inside of the planes skin so when it hit the ground the breakup might be minimal and survivable, the same thing with air bags that would soften the plane when it hit or even a shoot that would deploy (just like the one that comes out of a space shuttle when it lands) to slow a crippled planes decent. get it together aircraft designers.
Why do you mispronounce the word schedule? Sked ule !
I can't possibly trust these pilots. With those mustaches they look like gay San Francisco police.
@43.22 that plane was hijacked that was the only reason for death of many people.
If only all pilots could channel Neil Armstrong once in a career.
I hope these depictions are not accurate.
What is the simulator going to tell you to do when your pito tubes are blocked and all your warning alarms are going off at the same time?
This is what I would do: first, take the freakin' air brakes off. I would look at the passengers and see if they're leaning to verify my horizon instrument and go higher, up above the clouds where I can see the horizon. Giving it some gas will satisfy the stall possibility. Over speed certainly can't be true if you're climbing. I would stay up there until they sent me someone, even a drone, to lead me down. 😶🙂ATC doesn't know my actual height so they're going to have to clear me a wide vertical path and they will have to go by the cloud ceiling. Here's a thought. Track my black boxes for their location? They didn't know where they were but they didn't have to take a dive into the ocean. 😢
Why/how did they take off with no airspeed indicators? Dont they have to call out V1, rotate and all that stuff? During takeoff is speed provided by something other than the pitot tubes?
Lmao you don't get it you can climb with to much speed... An if your told your flying to fast u have to slow down but if your not actually going to fast but told you are going to fast an u slow down then u stall . You think you sound smart but u have literally 0 clue what your talking about no offense just don't talk about stuff u literally have no idea about. An atc did use the onboard sensors which are pito tubes but the were reading wrong from tape do u have ears ?
Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
@@traumamed9449, it wouldn't work if your horizon instrument isn't working but they were flying alright before the alarms went off. I know hindsight is easy, but I would answer the stick shaker problem 1st. This is all moot because ATC gave them false information it got from their own computers.
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Proverbs 17:38.
Shutting my lips now. 😶
When you follow evil and build evil's way like submarines and helicopters what did you think would happen? Nice stuff?
Yep. Thats what happens when you put a fucking screen and a processor on everything!
WTF??? Many people asking new content are they think it's funny especially one guy told admin became lazy🫡man .I pray for those guys who wants new .when they are flying they want to go through most horrible situations!!pls God I am eagerly waiting to watch those episodes.
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