Note to self, do not accost a pilot and tell them they are basically being demoted or fired as soon as they get back. Then let them fly the plane home to go get fired!
The fact that Al was so keenly insistent on "relieving" the co-pilot. The plane encountering an issue after the captain left. Switching the autopilot off. Cutting off the fuel to the engines despite an elevator being the issue. Al not responding to the Captain's question. Al not declaring an emergency/mayday. And finally Al continuing to push the stick down despite him being experienced enough to know that pulling on the stick is how to recover a dive. These FACTS alone are enough damning evidence that this was an intentional act.
I know this not the important part here but his last name is Al-Batouti , to simplify "Al" mean "the" its the same Al in alchemy, alcohol, algebra. In the sense its similar to name like O'Connor. So if you call some one with last name albatouti just "Al" its like saying "O" for names like O'Connor. Again not trying to be rude or anything
@uwais msnn why he did not declare emergency, why he did not call mayday, why he did not respond to captain, why he was misbehaving to women, why he wanted to take place on sticks early, why he did not behave like a professional pilot even after being experienced trainer, why he did not mention anything about a problem if at all anything to the captain, why he is keeping on chanting phrases rather than communicating with ATC or Captain, Why the mismatch between the series of events and airplanes erroneous flight path and flight inputs. I am sure none of the authorities have any answer to this. Still people like you are trying and hide these facts. It may be true that an existing mechanical drawback of the airplane design has been identified and reccomended for changes. But no clear cut evidence on weather it was indeed a mechanical failure because there was opposite inputs from both pilots that led to shearing off rivets. These are recorded evidence and you are simply ignoring it. From the beginning itself Egyptian authorities are desperately trying to find a mechanical cause alone for the crash. And moreover not allowing the FBI to investigate more on this at Egypt, why???. I am pretty sure if Egyptian authorities were more desperate they could have come up with more cooked up mechanical causes!!! RIP to innocent loves lost!!!! No means to offend co-pilots family but still if something is wrong you should not justify it.
When the captain got back to the cockpit and asked “what is happening” and having no response from the relief first officer, that should be a red flag right there. Pilots are trained to communicate with each other to solve the problem but the fact that the relief first officer didn’t cooperate is really sketchy.
Exactly, also why if something went wrong with the elevators and caused the airplane to dive, Where was the first officers, " Mayday" call. He completely ignored protocols and never called out to the other pilots for assistance! It's no wonder he never made it to be Captain. Hope one day his family can accept the facts and just pray for his soul and all of those victims who lost their lives on that airplane....🙏
And why would you believe that's what really happened?! Did anyone hear the CVR except the American investigators?! Why the other pilots on board didn't rush to help if the captain managed to get to the cockpit?! Why the captain didn't try to stop the pilot or accuse him of trying to crash?! Why would ask him to pull with him? And asked him to shut off the engines,!
I was a USCG first responder on this case. In fact I am briefly seen at 16:33. This was the worst thing I have ever experienced in my life. Nothing will ever erase the sights and smells of that day. May they rest in peace.
Amazing. Steve, are you the man with the white helmet(foreground) or the darker cap(background) in that scene? Please elaborate on what you mean by "smells" ? Are you referring to decomposition?
@@robertjensen1048 You wouldn't smell decomposition right after a crash you would smell Jet fuel for days. This guy wasn't there, he's lying for attention. Don't trust people in the comments. There are lots of mentally ill narcissistic sociopaths with hero complexes on here.
@@FarmerFpv Thanks. Yeah, I hope that most of us don't automatically trust commenters. Generally you have to get to know commenters over a period of time, and try to confirm their claims, get a sense of how they write, etc. As for decomposition; since they were bringing dead bodies(and parts) onto the ship, the amount of odor the ship crew would experience would be linked to how long it had been since the crash, and also how cold the remains had been during the time that had passed. A lot of variables. I'm pretty sure it was very unpleasant to be close to this stuff.
It's hilarious what great lengths Egyptian government was willing to defend their suicidal pilot, while the other pilot was trying to save the plane. The disrespect to the rest of the crew and passengers who didn't want to die is beyond.
It's more hilarious that you believe this poor cover up scenario! The Americans shot it down with a missile like what they did to WTA 800 1996 and Swiss air 111 1998 at the same place same timing
Note : the sole survivor of the EgyptAir Flight 990 disaster is an Egyption army intelligence officer who supposed to be one of the passengers , but by ''''Coincidence'''' he missed the flight !....he's now the president of egypt ''Abdel-fatah El-Sisi'' !
@@j3in725 Egypt takes pride in these ppl who don't respect women. The head of EgyptAir told the co-pilot that his actions were fine but he just couldn't do it in the US.
The audacity by the Egyptian government and by the family's spokesperson in denying facts like an ostrich sticking their head into the ground is sheer stupidity. They might as well be accessories to the deaths of those passengers themselves. They didn't care about the people that died, they only cared about their reputation.
The fact is: he may have made some mistake. However he did not purposely crash the airplane. You can't buy tires and plan to meet your son and meanwhile plan suicide.
@@ericvansteenlandt7888 Cause he was the only one that made it back to the cockpit while the plane was diving. "somehow". The others as interpret from this documentary could have been on their seat, assuming they were hanging on their seats with their seat belt on, once again... while the plane was diving.
The first red flag was the "captain" demanding to take over 20 mins in the flight. Second red flag was the fact this "captain" was hostile telling all officers to get out essentially. Third red flag was that the "captain" was forcing the wheel down while the actual captain was pulling back.... It was definitely a highjacking
the red flag would be if he had intentions to do so why he did not wait for his turn half way? it was going to be done any way..trip takes about 9 Hrs.
@@sam70000 The co-pilot not waiting for his turn is a major red flag. It's likely that he wanted more time in the cockpit so that he would get more chances to be alone in the cockpit
I don't understand why the cpt didn't try to hit with a kick the other, to avoid him kiping his behaviour & stop him even for some minutes, till the others could arrive, which they didn't try to follow the cpt. When the incident started, the cpt was the only 1going there, the others remain seated, if all this, is what happened.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the pilot that took over the plane was the cause of the crash. U can't ignore the timing of all the events that happened.
But Egypt felt embarrassed or ashamed. Why admit what one of their nationals had committed an act of terror. He had nothing to do with his government. It’s an awful thing.
I can empathize with Al-Batouti’s family being in so much denial. Imagine losing a close family member and then being told that they committed such a horrific crime and learning about conduct that seems so out of character for this person- I can see where the complete denial comes from. But for the government to echo that is appalling- they had all the evidence and they chose to deny what happened. Unbelievable
there were so many old and young pilots on board ,and the cockpit was open all the time, why they did not go and help ? instead of just screamed and panicked as idiots in the passenger cabin ????? there are true pilots or just sissy fake pilots???
No mystery for me. That 59-year-old 1st officer forced his way into the seat early and waited for the pilot to step out. Turned off the engines, Aimed at the water.
I’m an Egyptian guy and I do believe that the first officer put the aircraft down on purpose. He was incompetent at all and he felt his ego was damaged and hurt . A psychopath guy shouldn’t be in the cockpit period.
NTSB = Looks at evidence ----> creates possible scenarios ----> investigates the scenarios ECAA = Creates possible scenarios (that wouldn't damage the image of Egypt Air) ----> Investigates the scenario ----> tries to match certain parts of the evidence to that scenario and then discard the rest. I know which method i would believe the most.
some slight modifications NTSB = Looks at evidence > creates possible scenarios > investigates the scenarios > when scenario looks shady, transfer to law enforcement ECAA = Creates possible scenarios (that wouldn't damage the image of Egypt Air) > investigates the scenarios (but no, not entirely, that'd reveal proof of something that'd damage our image!) > when foreign investigators transfer to law enforcement, actively try to stop and denounce them (I mean come on it's really damn suspicious when you do that, if you genuinely believed the guy was innocent and if he was the FBI would have found that yep, no foul play)
he didnt commit suicide. He has no reason to do so, hes a decorated military veteran with so many flights under his belt. It was america which was suspicious not allowing anyone to hear the black box which sounds cut out, and claiming the plane has gone missing and only crashed a whole hour later which just doesnt make sense. It was shot down by a missile on accident (or on purpose) and was a cover up. The reason he turned off the auto pilot was so he can navigate around the missile defences, and later when the second pilot arrived they werent arguing? He was literally helping him achieve his mission. Also in addition there were 33 egyptian officers and 3 NUCLEAR scientists. And we all know americas history of not wanting other countries to have nuclear weapons.
I watch every channel, I retired from an Airline, so I have it in my blood, I know it's Ghoulish but I love a good aircraft carnage video, especially when you have a problem that takes a while to land or crash.
The length Egypt went to in order to defend a murderer is kinda mind boggling. I understand not wanting to accept that someone so esteemed (and personally connected to high ranking officials...) could do this, but the evidence is pretty obvious. To ignore it and say it's just some evil foreign ploy is almost sickening, and shockingly disrespectful to all the victims.
That's the middle east for you. Ego often outweighs logic and fact even. However, it is important to know that this is only a small minority of egoistical men there. The majority of people there are some of the brightest and best the world has to offer and also the nicest and most generous.
@@SatanClaus69 but importantly, the ones in power tend to be the egocentric ones because the social and political systems are designed to work in their favor since the time of colonialism, at least.
Thank you for doing this as I worked with a gentleman who lost his and his wife’s life on this flight. For all who lost loved ones or friends I give my condolences. For the captain who tried to save everyone he should be honored for trying.
@@ranapratapsingh3416 no he’s saying the opposite, he’s saying that higher ups are forcing the Egyptians to say it’s a mechanical failure when it wasn’t
My cousin was in the Coast Guard and assisted with the debris recovery of this crash. She said the items recovered were haunting - kids shoes, body parts. Murder suicide by the evil pilot.
@@rhetoric5173 I didn’t give the evidence of suicide/murder in my comment. But the elimination of all other potential causes left only one cause: pilot did it on purpose. Like Germanwings one. And probably MH370. It was the only logical option remains.
@Hayden Burns Yes. Al Jazeera has gained access to the original VCR and is on youtube. Beside that the transcipt has been on the internet for over decade. How about you study the case for yourself. Even the daughters of fellow pilotes as seen in this video seem to disagree with the American investigation.
Note : the sole survivor of the EgyptAir Flight 990 disaster is an Egyption army intelligence officer who supposed to be one of the passengers , but by ''''Coincidence'''' he missed the flight !....he's now the president of egypt ''Abdel-fatah El-Sisi'' !
@Hayden Burns How is one biased for not condemning but defending the one who supposedly killed her father. That makes no sense at all. My 2 cents. If Batouti wanted that plane to go down he would have made far more convenient actions that would fit a mass murder-suicide. The unintelligable phrase at the beginning of the ordeal was thought to be "control it" or "hydraulic". If we assume it to be hydraulic it could change the entire case. If you listen to the VCR you"ll notice the phrase dials down and comes to a complete halt shortly after the Captain enters. Beside that it should be assumed that if Batouti was about to embrace death he would have used other phrases, don't take my Muslim word for it. Search for hijacking transcripts or even Muslim suicidal pilots. The last words are always either "God is great" or "I bare witness there is only one God, and Mohammed is his messenger". There is not one single case that i could find under these circumstances where that didn't happen. Hell, even some non suicidal pilots were recorded saying one of those two on their final moments. I also believe this is why Egypt protested so heavily against the American investigation. Anyway back to the point, the captain asking wether the engines are off, for some reason people think this was a suprising qeustion to Batouti, but if you listen to the recording it is much more in the tone of a order then a reqeust. The captain clearly tries to convey the same message in a different and clear way where he made a small mistake and said "get away "in" the engines" which he almost directly corrected with "shut the engines" in which Batouti replies "it's shut" inmediatly in a firm and stressed tone. Those were his last words. Beside that you also can't disgard the 150 planes that were grounded and i believe 53 of those had to undergo maintainance on the elevators. I think this was a case of extraordinary odds gone bad, but we will likely never know for sure. Have a blessed and peacefull day :).
Disengaging Autopilot, failing to answer Captain's questions, cutting off fuel to the engines was clear evidence that Al-Batouti was a man on a mission. Whatever he did that fateful day when the Captain left the Cockpit was intentional.
That's most definitely 💯 truth of the matter! His actions were deliberately and intentionally on purposed to kill himself and everyone else on the airplane.
I feel very sad for those passengers and crew who had no idea what was going on. They died not knowing that their lives were taken away by the selfish act of a disgruntled and suicidal pilot.
How sure are you that the airline and the plane makers are NOT hiding facts? After all this is America and it is all about money. You are making a judgment based on your prejudice.
Come on man u can't judge first officer by ur own . Noone knew what was cause this shows ur biased towards one country . Being a neutral who come from India even i feel there is much more facts which are being hidden
I am Egyptian and I believe that al Batouti intentionally crashed the plane however you are right there are much more facts that are hidden, for example we don't know the entire conversation between the two pilots a the cockpit voice recorder stopped however by all these evidence showing that al batouti crashed the plane, there is no way I won't believe that al batouti is the man behind the crash
Elevator was not jammed in fact it has dual sided force effect when NTSB checked because two pilots are exerting force in opposite directions. One trying to up the nose of the plane and another one was trying to dive hence committed suicide and killed all in that.
There is no way for the Egyptian Government to explain that, plus he even shut the engines off, so there was no recovery even if they got it leveled. Pilot Suicide
@@Southamericangirl42 It literally says in the video that Muslims are against suicide, it's one of the prime arguments for him not crashing the plane (although I believe he did). The Koran explicitly forbirds suicide-it's the terrorists that support it, and al-Batouti was never affiliated with terror groups, and this was before the war on terror. I think he just had a grudge against the airline.
@@thefriednoodle8082 Islam absolutely supports suicide. Or more specifically, it supports dramatic suicide. Martyrdom is absolutely endemic to modern Islam and it’s really the biggest incompatibility between that faith and the rest of the world.
@@Jaxck77 The faith itself doesn't support suicide-however it does support Jihad, and Jihad is Islamic terrorists' justification for using suicide attacks. Obviously, suicide attacks were never covered in the Koran, so they use such a loophole for their acts
I’m new to this show. Such compelling stories and so well done. The combination of human behavior, mechanical/maintenance failures, and flying airplanes makes the most profound drama of the human condition.
Can't even play devil's advocate with this one. That Relief First Officer allowed that plane to crash and kill everyone on board. Such a tragic story, RIP to everyone on board.
@@omegavladosovich6757 Except in this case they didn't call it a terrorist plot, they said it was a likely criminal act by a single person and didn't say it was done for ideological reasons. So your comment doesn't make sense. And what do you think TWA 800 was?
@@srmj71 he means not he first officer with the nickname "captain" the actual captain who says "Pull up! Pull up! Pull up!" when sh*! hit the fan Edit I am neutral because I'm neither American or Egyptian
@@brothernotsmartius1244 yeah, I got that. I should've been more clear. I think it's a miracle he was able to make his way back into the cockpit. Can you imagine what went through his mind when he realized it was the copilot causing the problem?
This one makes my stomach turn😡 From what I see and hear he did it on purpose, forced his way to fly hrs before he was supposed to, turned off the engines and was pushing down the entire time. His family and Egypt is in serious denial.
"I have lost control of the plane" is what you would expect to hear an experienced pilot tell his captain as part of the flight team. But one could see from the moment he pushed the younger man out of his seat (his bullying was on the recording) that he was not respecting proper cockpit protocol. It was all about him and his "pain." Same mindset as those who take part in school shootings; selfishness beyond compare and an uncontrollable lust for revenge. It comes from feeling powerless.
If you choose to commit suicide, do it alone. Dont take others with you. They didn't choose that route. You could tell by his final prsyers to allah, he was asking forforgiveness knowing what he was planning was wrong, killing more than himself.
he didnt commit suicide. He has no reason to do so, hes a decorated military veteran with so many flights under his belt. It was america which was suspicious not allowing anyone to hear the black box which sounds cut out, and claiming the plane has gone missing and only crashed a whole hour later which just doesnt make sense. It was shot down by a missile on accident (or on purpose) and was a cover up. The reason he turned off the auto pilot was so he can navigate around the missile defences, and later when the second pilot arrived they werent arguing? He was literally helping him achieve his mission. Also in addition there were 33 egyptian officers and 3 NUCLEAR scientists. And we all know americas history of not wanting other countries to have nuclear weapons.
It’s obvious what happened here, a proud man had his ego hurt, his career was ending, felt offended by the superior and the new first pilot, decided to “pay back” to those that offended him. It’s actually something common that you see for long time employees of a company that are forced out to get a bout of depression, lash out at people. What I don’t understand is why his superior had to travel to NYC to have a talk with him, when the employee in question was a pilot and would be in Cairo in couple days, I assume the head pilot wanted a free trip to NYC, he should had waited to drop the news on him when they came back to Cairo, put him on fake medical leave and let him retire in 3 months. Once the news was delivered in NYC that he was being forced out, he never should had been allowed to fly the plane again.
That is what doesn't make sense why allow him to fly if he had just given him the bad news. All airlines know the procedure is to not put such a person in control. There were 14 other pilots on the same flight that is why i don't believe that he had been demoted. The chief pilot was scheduled to be on that flight long before the alleged sexual harassment took place - it was simply a coincidence.
Don't be funny! The chief pilot was on board the flight he didn't fly to the US to fire him. Second that story was told by the asylum seeking pilot in London who has never been at the scene where the conversation between the two dead pilot took place just hours before their death! How could he know about the conversation?! The director of this dramatic movie didn't tell us. Even though he was not fird in that conversation, in Egypt air the chief pilot cannot fire anyone! It's a government firm. At least not without a long bureaucratic investigation. According to the claimed conversation he was banned from flying to the US for the last 3 months before his retirement. Is it enough to make him decide to lose everything and kill himself? No.
@@Scho-penhauer what puzzle me in this case ,is the phrase 'I Put My Trust In God' that the man repeated as many as 14 times, urgently and prayerfully as ! knowing that suicide and mass murder are horrible sins according to his religion of Islam ,Muslims in Egypt consider suicide as blasphemy, that is punished by eternal hell ,the same goes for mass murdering innocents.. how could he invoke his god's support repeatedly,while blaspheming him ,is something beyond me !!!..
I wouldn't suggest he was a proud man, he was a grubby sex crazed waste of airspace.Why would anyone of his 'stature bother females with his obvious sexual deviant activity, he had only got his position thru the back door, only positive comment I can make is DON'T FLY Egyptian.
It was in level flight, autopilot was engaged. Relief pilot takes over, within seconds he's disengaged the autopilot and pushes the nose down. This was no accident, the real captain knew the relief pilot was up to no good. He was questioning him and confused as hell because he was pulling up while he was pushing down. There was no reason to have ever disengaged the auto pilot unless the pilot was intending on doing something drastic. This relief pilot was being investigated by the carrier and was due to face some serious implications the day that flight was scheduled to arrive Cairo
As someone who struggles with severe depression I get why people choose to end their lives. I also understand the pain and broken hearts you leave behind. The pilot's actions was disgusting. Those passengers had absolutely nothing to do with his troubles. How could he kill all those innocent passengers that had lives of their own and people to live for? As crazy as this sounds I could tolerate what Richard Russell did. He hijacked a EMPTY plane. He didn't kill a plane full of innocent, unassuming passengers.
Well said. I have a lot of empathy for Russell, particularly because he asked for a heading to keep him out over water and stated he didn't want to hurt anyone else. What Al-Batouti did was unforgivable.
@@Kikiricki11 did you know kiddo more than 200 eye witnesses saw missile coming from military war ship during exercise hitting TWA flight 800 and yet investigations find was mechanical failure...keep believing what they tell you..false flags and coverups have become normal and more for the fools to keep believing what they are told one day you'll wake up with missile in your rear not knowing where the hell it came from
The Captain clearly attempted to try and correct what was going on. I didn’t hear the 1st Captain even trying to help the Captain. And if the 1st Captain didn’t do anything wrong then he would have answered the Captain. RIP all those who lost their lives🙏🏼❤️
I think the Egyptian government was in denial - and it's not a river in Egypt. All kidding aside, I find it incredibly frightening that so many tragic crashes occur not only because of pilot error, but as a result of personality deviance, fractured egos and psychotic behaviour. It is one thing to commit suicide - while another matter entirely when you take 216 innocent souls along with you in your final destructive moments. RIP to all who suffered and lost in EgyptAir Flight 990.
They absolutely were in denial. This isn't the first time that Egypt tried to pin blame on the plane itself when the crew did something obviously wrong. Egypt holds their pilots in the highest regard, and will almost never admit to them making an error, much less intentionally killing passengers. Nearly every fatal accident that has occurred with Egyptian pilots has been blamed on the aircraft.
@Sunshine Ng Yeah, no kidding! But I also mentioned personality deviance, psychotic behaviour, etc. etc. This guy decided he didn't want to live anymore - and sentenced all those innocent people to that same horrific outcome. It's the stuff that nightmares are made of.
I doubt the Egyptian government was worried about protecting the co-pilot’s reputation (if true), but about protecting tourism. It is a fairly large revenue source in Egypt, and pilots crashing planes full of tourists could make some decide to vacation elsewhere.
Well the fact that they keep lying and trying to cover this up definitely makes me less confident in ever being on one of that company’s planes than if they had just admitted the truth about the pilot. Cause one pilot makes me question the pilot. But now they have me questioning their whole system from top to bottom. Shady.
The Egyptian government had a hand in this. The story is that one of the military officers who was suppose to be on the plane is the current president of Egypt right now, El SISI. El SISI was suppose to be on the flight and moments before he boards the plane he was informed by someone not to get on the plane and he survived the "accident". The aim was to kill the Egyptian military officers who were training with the US army. No one knows why and anyone who speaks about that flight disappears. There is even rumours that the Mossad is involved because the military officers were considered scientists who were building weapons that could threaten Israel's sovereignty. A real story that actually happened was that an Egyptian scientist snuck parts of a missile undetectable by radars into several flights that would later be rebuilt in Egypt. The Mossad found out about it and as a result the US government took back the missile and arrested the scientist. The Egyptian president at the time (Mubarak) fired the general in charge of the operation. It is believed that the general was loved by the military and that there was connection between him and some of the officers on board the flight.
The suicide pilot First Officer died without honor. His family had no honor. The Captain on the other hand is a man I will always respect. A true hero.
It’s very sad. I watched this story before, where it wasn’t revealed so quickly who was at fault, so I knew the outcome and also stopped watching. The senseless death is the saddest part. Second to that is the ego of Egyptian authorities, who, instead of propping up the heroes of this crew chose to defend the culprit.
this is not real, the aircraft was hit by missiles and the captain was an old air force pilot and tried to save the aircraft. he also has three phone calls recorded before the flight that he was talking to his friends and daughter in egypt telling them he got the things they need. usa said it was a suicide attempt to cover up the fact that they shot down the aircraft because it had around 80 military officers on board and 3 egyptain nuclear scientists. please read all the facts
@@mohammedayman8159 You literally made that up. The aircraft was recovered and was NOT shot by missiles. If it was, then Egypt would be SCREAMING that from the rooftops.
@@user-yt198 No, no! He had an ELEVATOR problem so he shut the engines OFF and pushed the nose DOWN. He was really SAVING the plane, you know, with his vast experience as a skirt-chasing, career FO.
@@melaniecarver5719 There is no evidence that he pushed the nose down. You will be surprised, but FDR of the aircraft was NOT recording pilot controls. Also he did NOT shut the engines off. He put them to IDLE. Do you know the difference? This is from CVR: Captain: Shut the engines. FO: It's shut. What does it sound like? They were having or thinking that they have an OVERSPEED problem of course! Unfortunately we don't know the details, because such alarms were not recorded.
I remember this. My parents and I were listening to it on the radio late evening and praying for everyone on the plane. Hearing that no one survived was heartbreaking. :(
I heard of it on T.V. and thought, "How very sad. But it's an Egyptian plane. At least no one I know will be on it." Not 30 minutes later, I got a call that, indeed, two close friends were onboard, part of the group of retirees wanting to see Egypt. Weirdly, I particularly grieved that they never got to see the pyramids, the reason for their journey.
Roughly 1.35 million people die in car crashes everywhere according to one study. In contrats, about 500-600 die every year in plane crashes and that is if a crash happens.
My friends, Mary and Bob Rice were on this flight. They're from San Diego, CA. Mary had recently retired from ICU nursing and she and Bob were traveling the world and enjoying life. This was a heartbreaking and unbelievable event. It is still a very painful memory and they left behind a a multitude of family and friends.
In the companies I've worked for, you never get a heads up that you are getting fired. You first get the news and then escorted out and removed access from getting back in. That concept was more important in this industry. Should have been obvious for all the other pilots when things started going wrong why this guy wanted to take his turn too early and they should have all come back in and kicked him out.
Yeah that is wild to tell someone they’re going to be fired and then let them continue their duties after being told that information, especially for a job with such clear danger involved. Even for office jobs you don’t get fired and finish out your day you get fired and escorted out.
If he was desperate to die, he could have died alone. Why the HELLISH HELL did that psychopath bring the entire plane down? Especially knowing that the command F/O was about to get married? Horrendous!!
Hopefully today's pilots watched this episode and have learned never to leave another pilot or first officer alone in the cockpit. Didn't they have like 3 or 4 pilots there? There should be no excuse for all of them to leave him all alone.
I believe most modern airlines have two pilots. The occasional jump seating, but is not in control of anything on the aircraft, basically just a passenger. But I also believe the protocol, (at least for flying freight) if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit for any reason, someone else on the flight is to come take their seat until they return. There are to be two people in the cockpit at all times.
I think after what happened with Germanwings 9525. There was a rule mandated that a flight attendant must be at the cockpit if one of the pilots decided to leave the cockpit.
Rest assured that all airlines policies now dictate that if any of the flight crew will leave the cockpit for any reason (going to the lavatory) a cabin crew member must stay inside with the other pilot until his arrival
I flew with a 1st Officer who threatened to commit suicide twice while in the hotel. He was going to jump off the hotel roof. I was present for one of the two episodes. He was divorced 4 times, never made it to the Captain's seat, had minimal abilities as a Pilot. I was very concerned about flying with him. He died shortly afterwards. Cause unknown, but more than likely suicide . He had drunk enough to sink a ship. Pilot's are humans and suffer from the same emotions as everybody else. To take 100 plus others with you is inexcusable. Clearly, this was the cause of 990....
Sorry, but it's a Management failure to have someone as you described sitting at the front of a commercial aircraft. I believe in working together but I also believe in not hiding safety issues.
Working in aviation most of my life, it is unfathomable to me to think of any FAA investigator and by extension investigation to not be done in a 100% professional and factual manner. People in aviation, top to bottom are the most disciplined people you can meet.
One exception to your statement, not entirely sure if the NTSB investigators became so tunnel visioned with a biased, preconceived notion they felt was the cause or Boeing consulted with the NTSB to blame the pilots to avoid grounding 1,700 727s, the TWA 727 piloted by Hoot Gibson that fell over 30,000 feet in less than a minute before the pilots regained control and landed, the investigators from almost minute one believed the pilots had done something to cause the dive, then they insisted they were messing around with the flaps, and never thoroughly questioned the pilots about the events leading up to the dive, even allow them to tell their version of what happened, nor did an appropriate analysis of every part that could cause a loss of control. The final report blamed the pilots for the dive for extending the flaps and slats in cruise but the physical evidence showed the dive was due to a lower rudder hardover and when the gear was extended in a last ditch attempt to save the plane, there was an overextension that ruptured a hydraulic line and centering the lower rudder. Had they questioned the pilots they would have learned the plane yawed several times before the dive. The good news is that this was due to a fluttering outboard aileron, being at 39,000 feet and a faulty yaw damper which wouldn’t have necessarily caused a grounding of all 727s, and there were some other instances of a yaw damper and hydraulic lock causing a rudder hardover but none were at 39,000 feet or had a fluttering outboard aileron. But as you said, every investigation is conducted professionally and with the exception of the Hoot Gibson story, what the NTSB declared happen in over 150,000 reports was what most likely happened.
RE the title: It is no mystery, it is clear as day that the FO committed a disgraceful pilot suicide, the only problem here is that the Egyptians refuse to admit that one of them would do such a thing, a widespread disease within this culture. Might sound harsh but it's true.
Yep. Egypt is so corrupt. Lived and worked there. And of course, god forbid that a Muslim man is revealed to be a womaniser who committed suicide - both are haram.
The flight cockpit recorder is all you need to solve this case. The family of the relief co-pilot should stop their nonsense. The cockpit recorder clearly explains what was going on that is why he did not say anything to not incriminate himself on the insurance payout for his family. Anyone who does not talk about what the airplane is doing during an event like that should never set foot inside a cockpit and their intent is clear, taking down the airplane on purpose as it has happened before. This was clearly intentional as he never spoke back to the captain as to what he was doing to recover.
It's not someone madness, it was shot by rocket, this plane had on it 33 highly trained Egyptian officers that just finished their training camp in US and also there were 3 atomic scientists on the plane. It was meant to kill all of them by a rocket.
@@DRSURYAPRAKASHSURGEON No. But we know about him from his family. He was a good person, happy in his life with his family, religious and not someone who wants to suicide. This is their slur and fake investigation to hide the truth. By the way only one man at the last moment didn't travel with this plane, he cancel his travel in the last moment, one officer, he is currently the President of EGYPT. Everything was planned for it loooooooooong time ago
@@aladdinovich Shot by a rocket 🤣🤣🤣 must of been a very small rocket which only disabled the elevator controls. It doesn't take a scientist that that mad man took over the plane and caused the crash. Can't argue with fhe timing of all those events.
I was till I discovered it's all old documentaries mostly made by NG For example Egypt air 990 I was expecting different story but it's the same old fake documentry
JAL 123 lost its entire tail section and maintained flight for 30 minutes. I have a lot of trouble believing an elevator jam caused such a catastrophic nose dive so instantly
Which is why he switched the autopilot off , he knew it would adjust the stabiliser trim to override the elevators . Alaskan airlines the stabilisers became unsecured , nothing the elevators did was effective. Any pilot half his weight knows , speed equals lift , he killed the engines , didn’t use spoilers , didn’t adjust trim , deliberate
@@dgtech2040 oh man come on! I'm an Arab myself and a pilot, and when a person continuously says the words that he said non-stop from start to finish that says it all! Not to mention disengaging the autopilot and deliberately pushing the nose down! How much more proof do you need? What reason is there to push the nose down during cruise? Even if it were an elevator failure, logically you would pull the nose up, he shut off the engines to make it more difficult to pull out of the dive, how much more evidence do you need?
I remember this happening. The true hero in this was the captain who actually took to the air. The mere fact that he was able to get back into his seat, was amazing. My thoughts are still with the families.
the episodes where the plane crashes bc of a person doing something wrong are the worst bc the flight would’ve been fine if it was just a different captain
YEP! This isn't the first time a pilot has crashed a plane to commit suicide. Pilots should have regular psychological examinations to ensure persons that have manic depression or are suicidal are not in the cockpit. Especially those grieving the death of a loved one
First thing I noticed when I started this episode was the reliever co pilot leering at the flight attendant. The voice over was introducing him as an elderly first officer they call Captain and such but I was just bothered by how he leered at that woman. And…well…further on in this episode I had an answer.
Let me preface by saying profiling someone is never okay, regardless if it is due to race, nationality, etc. That being said, the woman who attempted to defend the relief co-pilot with accusing the NTSB of profiling because he was Egyptian was complete and entire BS. It made me so angry when she said that, especially in the face of all the undeniable facts that this was a mass murder. Some people are disgusting, this episode demonstrated that perfectly.
The quote at the end where the guy says it was a simple plane crash that they framed like this for no reason, which is proof that it was a cover up. A cover up for what??? The guy literally admits it was a "simple plane crash" in his mind. You can hardly blame the family for being in denial, but that was such weak logic lol.
@@nexaentertainment2764 I suppose I didn't take into consideration the family's viewpoint being skewed by the corruption of the Egyptian official report, you raise a good point
@@nexaentertainment2764 he said it was a simple plane crash because he is no expert. He's trying not to act like a know-it-all. I can't say I know any of it either, but it is weak logic for NTSB to jump to conclusions based on something like sexual harassment allegations and the asylum-seeking captain, which only happened AFTER the crash.
@uwais msnn Given that his culture didn't condone suicide, it makes sense that he wouldn't shut the door, thus removing any evidence leading to suicidal intent.
Others have done it. Germanwings, perhaps the missing Malaysian Air plane. It was not because he was Egyptian. It seems to me that they are just as guilty of what they are accusing the NTSB of. They refuse to look at the evidence that is there and refuse to believe that any Egyptian could ever commit murder/suicide simply because why?? Because they are Egyptian? No, they are human and can fall prey to the same things that other races or ethnicity do. The man was angry enough to the point that he was willing to take himself out and everyone else on that plane. He would not be the first.
I would have to side with the NTSB’s conclusions because Egypt’s culture places a lot of praise on their pilots and are more likely to blame the equipment than admit that pilots are human beings who are capable of irrational actions. Since they are all primarily Muslim, their culture have very serious taboos in regards to suicide. The Egyptian investigators were also unwilling to accept pilot error as the cause of Flash Airlines Flight 604’s accident because of Egypt’s culture.
I totally agree, just 2 facts seal it. 1. Shut down all engines 2. Control inputs were opposite of Captain. Egypt will need to get over it, this is a no brainer, I'm not even counting his character, he's guilty as OJ
Batouti we are sorry Its a lie that u have to take How the hell does people just believe that?? Because he was alone and said Arabic statement so he is suicidal??? Why didn't the co pilot lock the captain out? Why did the captain tell him to shut the engines? Why didn't Boeing allow any Egyptian to listen to the cvr till 2020 ? Why was the plane delayed 4 hours? Why did batouti have an argument with his son inorder to come to the cairo airport to help him move the tires he brought from new York? How can a pilot just be sitting and talking to his co pilot while his co pilot is putting the yoke down while the the captain was pulling the yoke back? Was there is a problem or the captain was blind? Did we forget lionair 610? When Boeing already knew that their was a system that no one knew about that made problems and the plane crashed Boeing tried to lie and said its a pilot error (as usual)!! Till ethiopian 737max crashed Boeing was mad they can't say either pilot error or pilot suicide Did we forget the b767 tail and controllable problems? Give me answer to my questions and I will believe its a suicide lol
Their culture also, have taboos about sex outside marriage this piolit had been reprimanded just b4 this flight bc he had some many complaints from female staff and guest at the hotel the Egyptians piliots frequently stayed st in NYC during this reprimand which wasn't his first he was told he kniw longer would be allowed the privilege of flying to the USA anymore he was a married man and many who knew him concluded he downed the plane to prevent anyone knowing this!!
I feel so bad for the co-pilot who wasn't even supposed to be working but was trying to get home to get married. And then he dies. His poor fiancee. And the Capt who had been flying for 36 years with no issues and then he dies on this flight. Smh. RIP to everyone on board.
There was so much tragedy. The memorial service for two Coloradans killed in the crash was so enormous that so many thousands attended that not all could get in. We were all--men, women and children--just trying to come to grips with it all.
I flew Air Egypt back from Japan summer 1993. The plane ran off the runway in rain at Manilla. Everyone was fine but they tried to deny it/cover it up. Never flew Air Egypt again.
I remember seeing the news reports on this tragedy. Unfortunately we'll probably never get the real story, but my take on it is El Batouty felt shamed for getting busted for his bad behavior and he took the cowardly way out and purposely crashed the plane so he wouldn't have to publicly face his punishment and the Egyptian government tried to cover it up to avoid embarrassment and possible trouble with our country. Either way, it was such a sad loss of innocent lives.
It's obvious he intentionally crashed the plane. They could've given me that 10 million spent on the investigation. I would've close that case for $100.00 and keep the millions.
Even if, and that's a really big and improbable if, the relief first officer didn't do it on purpose, he's still majorly responsible for the accident and all those deaths. Even if it had been a genuine mechanical issue, he handled the emergency so badly that he might've just as well directly caused it. He didn't react as a trained pilot would - he didn't try to rectify the situation, he didn't communicate with his captain, he didn't do anything at all that could indicate he was trying to be a part of the solution. As for the tyre argument; is it so inconceivable that that phone call could've happened before the crucial meeting with the chief pilot? Or, alternatively, isn't it possible he could've decided to commit suicide only once he boarded the plane?
My therapist asked me how I'm dealing with my addiction today. I looked deep into his eyes and kept repeating terrain terrain, pull up, pull up. Until he made me snap out of it! Needless to say, I'm doing okay I guess.
1) He came early in the cockpit, 2) He argued and make first officer to go for rest, 3) Flight Elevator Brock down exactly when Captain was not available, (come on) 4) Not explaining the situation with Captain about the failure, 5) Not communicating with Captain about what he did or tried to recover the flights and how he can help now, This points are more than enough to prove that First Officer purposely crash the flight and also there are American Army and Citizens on the flight so it was last minute decision
Culture, I also probably wouldn't have had that talk w the Pilot about never going to America again, I think that could have waited till you got home safely. He basically got fired from his route then let him fly??? Nothing good can happen there THIS JUST ADDED: I worked for a major US Airline, in that situation they would have had a relief Pilot fly in and he would NOT be allowed in the cockpit.
That’s the question I’d ask for the Germanwings crash. However, the 2013 crash of LAM Mozambique 470 received very little media attention because it happened in a 3rd world country and only 33 people died, it’s never been officially confirmed that pilot suicide brought down MH370, so by the time of Germanwings, they believed that the case of pilot suicide was long gone. Sadly it wasn’t 😥
Standard protocol, probably thought another day at the office. I wouldn't have had that no more America talk w him until home, after he did talk to him I would not let him fly
No level of depression excuses being a murderer. Period. That's a different psychological trait entirely and requires a lack of empathy that is usually the opposite of most people with depression (who are usually more on the empath side, not cold-blooded killer side...) So awful that their government chose to focus on protecting the murderer instead of raising up the captain who did everything he could to save them!
An honest and open investigation simply follows the trail of evidence and lets the evidence determine what happened. Egypt in this case seemed to want to do everything they could to offer a compelling argument against pilot murder/suicide out of concern of how that would make their country look. Egypt was attempting a cover up, not an investigation.
To me I think he was trying to kill everybody. When the other guy came in he should have notified him with everything he did . First of all any problem that he was facing should have been emergency for another Captain to come up. So that is terrorism
Major credit for showing both sides of the story. Given the tensions between US and Egypt in 1999, it makes sense why the Egyptian government would try and pin the crash on the American Boeing instead of the Egyptian crew (even if the crewmember in question had a history of sexual harassment and had just been told he was doing his final flight from the US). I think the final straw for me is the Egyptian government trying to cover up Al-Batouti's history to prevent the FBI getting too much evidence. Clear that politics got in the way of a proper air crash investigation, but at least the 767's mechanical failures were found thanks to the Egyptian search into mechanical failure.
@@raihothexiv15th37 I don't remember why I wrote that 2 years ago. Just skimmed through the NTSB report and it does seem very unlikely the crash was influenced by a mechanical failure.
I remember hearing this on the radio with my mom who worked for TWA at the time the only other airline serving JFK CAI also with 767. The initial report was that a 767 from jfk to Cairo went missing. We thought for sure that this was the end of TWA. Post 9-11 that pilot would’ve been incapacitated for sure and had a chance of saving the plane. How did they even allow this pilot to fly after being disciplined for sexual harassment and facing termination upon return to Cairo ?
Dont blame the mechanic when its not his/ her fault. Its bad enough they get blamed for alot of things when its managements fault or manufacturing or design by engineers defects.
The horror that these souls went through deserves the obvious truth to be recognized by all. I can’t imagine the suffering in these last moments. Don’t be ashamed of the co-pilot be ever proud of your captain.
And, the suffering of their families who knew what they went through. One of my friends, killed in this tragedy, was there solely because his good friend, John, asked him to come on the trip. John's wife was going to come, but feared flying and then had a nightmare that the plane crashed and, therefore, begged out of the trip.
You don't tell a Pilot to know it will be his last flight and not expect him to get angry and take revenge on the airplane. Especially also being put in check for sexual harassment going on. This Pilot's world came crashing down way before the plane did the moment he was demoted and reprimanded for his actions. Egypt was just too humiliated to accept it was their pilot's fault.
Man!! I think I’ve almost watched all of these flight crash videos and there’s not a lot more. They’re all so good. They do a great job and the narrator is great, too.
So many bad/odd actions from the relief first officer. It's very difficult to craft a scenario where he isn't, at least partly, to blame. Best case scenario there was a issue with the plane, but he didn't communicate and made serious mistakes in flying the plane that led to a crash. Worst case, and frankly the simpler scenario; He planned revenge and as part of that was eager to take over from the regular first officer, waited until he was alone in the cockpit, and tried to fly the plane straight into the sea. It didn't go as flawlessly as planned as the captain made it back and tried to save the plane, but it was close enough.
The most important piece of evidence is, that the autopilot was disconnected before any controls input happened. A jammed elevator is a quite abrupt ocurrnace and the autopilot would have been disconnected by it and not 10 seconds before it . The us and also boeing are no forreigners to not accepting the blame for things and for covering up stuff but here the evidence was pretty crushing
I’m gonna give more thought to the airlines I fly in the future. Sounds like more frequent Psych evaluations should be done as a mandate for every airline in the Sky. Disciplinary action probably varies greatly from country to country and airline to airline.
An number of nations, (they know who they are) permit ANYONE with the right credentials to fly, Mates, employment service,drinking mates, gambling mates,nutters etc normal intelligent people do not act in such a manner.
Being an egyptian pilot, as the daughter proclaims, is not the issue here. The facts are clear. Gamil Albatuti is not the only pilot murdering many and comitting suicide while in flight. Mentally sick people come in al colours and backgrounds. This case will be only a mistery for those who dont want to accept the facts.
Note to self, do not accost a pilot and tell them they are basically being demoted or fired as soon as they get back. Then let them fly the plane home to go get fired!
This is the most important comment
@@arabellvitale Totally agree, that was pure idiocy, bet after he heard he wished he could have a do over.
Very cogent comment. That was when the fuse was lit.
Exactly!!
except you missed the whole part of the 1slamic extremism...ill give you credit though - that was a good spin on it
The fact that Al was so keenly insistent on "relieving" the co-pilot. The plane encountering an issue after the captain left. Switching the autopilot off. Cutting off the fuel to the engines despite an elevator being the issue. Al not responding to the Captain's question. Al not declaring an emergency/mayday. And finally Al continuing to push the stick down despite him being experienced enough to know that pulling on the stick is how to recover a dive. These FACTS alone are enough damning evidence that this was an intentional act.
Amen!
I know this not the important part here but his last name is Al-Batouti , to simplify "Al" mean "the" its the same Al in alchemy, alcohol, algebra. In the sense its similar to name like O'Connor. So if you call some one with last name albatouti just "Al" its like saying "O" for names like O'Connor. Again not trying to be rude or anything
@@persephone2246 Well I'm not gonna write"Batouti" 5 million times. So I'm calling him Al
@uwais msnn Yes yes, and Epstein killed himself, and JFK's head... just did that.
@uwais msnn why he did not declare emergency, why he did not call mayday, why he did not respond to captain, why he was misbehaving to women, why he wanted to take place on sticks early, why he did not behave like a professional pilot even after being experienced trainer, why he did not mention anything about a problem if at all anything to the captain, why he is keeping on chanting phrases rather than communicating with ATC or Captain, Why the mismatch between the series of events and airplanes erroneous flight path and flight inputs. I am sure none of the authorities have any answer to this. Still people like you are trying and hide these facts. It may be true that an existing mechanical drawback of the airplane design has been identified and reccomended for changes. But no clear cut evidence on weather it was indeed a mechanical failure because there was opposite inputs from both pilots that led to shearing off rivets. These are recorded evidence and you are simply ignoring it. From the beginning itself Egyptian authorities are desperately trying to find a mechanical cause alone for the crash. And moreover not allowing the FBI to investigate more on this at Egypt, why???. I am pretty sure if Egyptian authorities were more desperate they could have come up with more cooked up mechanical causes!!! RIP to innocent loves lost!!!! No means to offend co-pilots family but still if something is wrong you should not justify it.
When the captain got back to the cockpit and asked “what is happening” and having no response from the relief first officer, that should be a red flag right there. Pilots are trained to communicate with each other to solve the problem but the fact that the relief first officer didn’t cooperate is really sketchy.
Exactly, also why if something went wrong with the elevators and caused the airplane to dive, Where was the first officers, " Mayday" call. He completely ignored protocols and never called out to the other pilots for assistance! It's no wonder he never made it to be Captain. Hope one day his family can accept the facts and just pray for his soul and all of those victims who lost their lives on that airplane....🙏
I think the first red flag was that he floated back into the cockpit.
And why would you believe that's what really happened?! Did anyone hear the CVR except the American investigators?! Why the other pilots on board didn't rush to help if the captain managed to get to the cockpit?! Why the captain didn't try to stop the pilot or accuse him of trying to crash?! Why would ask him to pull with him? And asked him to shut off the engines,!
Exactly
@@Scho-penhauer Egyptian investigators did hear the CVR
I was a USCG first responder on this case. In fact I am briefly seen at 16:33. This was the worst thing I have ever experienced in my life. Nothing will ever erase the sights and smells of that day. May they rest in peace.
Amazing. Steve, are you the man with the white helmet(foreground) or the darker cap(background) in that scene?
Please elaborate on what you mean by "smells" ? Are you referring to decomposition?
I really believe you steve
@@robertjensen1048 You wouldn't smell decomposition right after a crash you would smell Jet fuel for days. This guy wasn't there, he's lying for attention. Don't trust people in the comments. There are lots of mentally ill narcissistic sociopaths with hero complexes on here.
@@FarmerFpv lmao
@@FarmerFpv Thanks. Yeah, I hope that most of us don't automatically trust commenters. Generally you have to get to know commenters over a period of time, and try to confirm their claims, get a sense of how they write, etc.
As for decomposition; since they were bringing dead bodies(and parts) onto the ship, the amount of odor the ship crew would experience would be linked to how long it had been since the crash, and also how cold the remains had been during the time that had passed. A lot of variables. I'm pretty sure it was very unpleasant to be close to this stuff.
It's hilarious what great lengths Egyptian government was willing to defend their suicidal pilot, while the other pilot was trying to save the plane. The disrespect to the rest of the crew and passengers who didn't want to die is beyond.
Guys before jumping to a conclusion do consider the alternate point of view m.ruclips.net/video/WIzTB_oCVlo/видео.html
It's unclear why Egypt went so far to defend a murderer
Local mentality: the nation cannot lose face.
It's more hilarious that you believe this poor cover up scenario! The Americans shot it down with a missile like what they did to WTA 800 1996 and Swiss air 111 1998 at the same place same timing
Note :
the sole survivor of the EgyptAir Flight 990 disaster is an Egyption army intelligence officer who supposed to be one of the passengers , but by ''''Coincidence'''' he missed the flight !....he's now the president of egypt ''Abdel-fatah El-Sisi'' !
Egypt should be celebrating the captain who tried to save the aircraft instead of protecting the first officer who likely brought it down.
Yea
Their pride is more important
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@@j3in725 Egypt takes pride in these ppl who don't respect women. The head of EgyptAir told the co-pilot that his actions were fine but he just couldn't do it in the US.
There's food for thought.
The audacity by the Egyptian government and by the family's spokesperson in denying facts like an ostrich sticking their head into the ground is sheer stupidity. They might as well be accessories to the deaths of those passengers themselves. They didn't care about the people that died, they only cared about their reputation.
EXACTLY
The fact is: he may have made some mistake. However he did not purposely crash the airplane. You can't buy tires and plan to meet your son and meanwhile plan suicide.
@@sene311 so why was he pushing his control column down the whole time?
Egypt’s culture also puts a lot of emphasis and praise on their pilots.
@@sene311 obviously, one can do exactly that, and he did. Taking the plane off auto Pilot for no reason was the beginning of the end, sadly.
Props to the captain for managing to get back to the cockpit and trying to save the plane
Why was he the only one who tried to save the plane ???
There Should be 3Persons... at the same Time CockPit...
@@ericvansteenlandt7888 Cause he was the only one that made it back to the cockpit while the plane was diving. "somehow". The others as interpret from this documentary could have been on their seat, assuming they were hanging on their seats with their seat belt on, once again... while the plane was diving.
@@ericvansteenlandt7888 watch again and answer your own damn question. They explained it in there😐
How could he not realise there's something malicious in the mind of co-pilot? He should have at least tried hitting him or taking controls from him
The first red flag was the "captain" demanding to take over 20 mins in the flight. Second red flag was the fact this "captain" was hostile telling all officers to get out essentially. Third red flag was that the "captain" was forcing the wheel down while the actual captain was pulling back.... It was definitely a highjacking
the red flag would be if he had intentions to do so why he did not wait for his turn half way? it was going to be done any way..trip takes about 9 Hrs.
@@sam70000 The co-pilot not waiting for his turn is a major red flag. It's likely that he wanted more time in the cockpit so that he would get more chances to be alone in the cockpit
They must’ve been color blind.
Too bad the actual captain didn't have the sense to side kick him in the temple.
I don't understand why the cpt didn't try to hit with a kick the other, to avoid him kiping his behaviour & stop him even for some minutes, till the others could arrive, which they didn't try to follow the cpt. When the incident started, the cpt was the only 1going there, the others remain seated, if all this, is what happened.
For some countries, protecting image is more important than accepting facts.
Your pretty much described ALL of Middle East.
100 percent accurate.
@@bluefrostryy Well, at least with the Republicans and Trump.
@@fpshooterful weird statement.
Southeast Asia also tends to do this when it comes to pilot suicide
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the pilot that took over the plane was the cause of the crash. U can't ignore the timing of all the events that happened.
But Egypt felt embarrassed or ashamed. Why admit what one of their nationals had committed an act of terror. He had nothing to do with his government. It’s an awful thing.
So agree
His reaction after captain Habashi left for the toilet says it all
God made him do it.
yeah there are way too many factors that point to that.. including the shady statements egyptian gov. made.. so pathetic really
I can empathize with Al-Batouti’s family being in so much denial. Imagine losing a close family member and then being told that they committed such a horrific crime and learning about conduct that seems so out of character for this person- I can see where the complete denial comes from. But for the government to echo that is appalling- they had all the evidence and they chose to deny what happened. Unbelievable
they said its because they believe muslims dont commit sc.
kinda delusional if you ask me.
@@KenDotCom Joe Biden is an idiot! Let's Go, Brandon!
The family is being selfish just like Al Batouti. Murdering all those people is disgusting. I would never protect a family member who is that evil.
@@KenDotCom Huh?
It's called willfull blindness...
"He switched flights to make it home in time for his wedding."
*Oh no.*
G force uh that scary but fun (i think) like in space
"oh no" indeed.
@@helwatywahab5236 um umI
This is devastating :(
there were so many old and young pilots on board ,and the cockpit was open all the time, why they did not go and help ? instead of just screamed and panicked as idiots in the passenger cabin ????? there are true pilots or just sissy fake pilots???
No mystery for me. That 59-year-old 1st officer forced his way into the seat early and waited for the pilot to step out. Turned off the engines, Aimed at the water.
100% correct. Thanks.
Yup!!
Exactly...no mystery...it's plain as day...freaking murderer..
Fact!
@@rezaabdul8595 exactly. Two examples that show how important better mental health screening & assessment of pilots is
why tf would you ever tell a pilot they’re fired BEFORE they finished their last flight
thats not what your mom said
@@jefferystutsman6419 oooooooo
Thats way dumb
Ur dad didn't ask to
@Ray Adams lol
I’m an Egyptian guy and I do believe that the first officer put the aircraft down on purpose.
He was incompetent at all and he felt his ego was damaged and hurt .
A psychopath guy shouldn’t be in the cockpit period.
Ur wrong egypt air got bombed by the Americans because the officers were high leveled
@@Msfgracehaha funny
@@khaledk8277I'm Egyptian too and my grandfather was a solider
@@Msfgrace my grandfather is a chair
And most of what I have read agrees with your assertion and conclusions.
NTSB = Looks at evidence ----> creates possible scenarios ----> investigates the scenarios
ECAA = Creates possible scenarios (that wouldn't damage the image of Egypt Air) ----> Investigates the scenario ----> tries to match certain parts of the evidence to that scenario and then discard the rest.
I know which method i would believe the most.
thanks for the summary
some slight modifications
NTSB = Looks at evidence > creates possible scenarios > investigates the scenarios > when scenario looks shady, transfer to law enforcement
ECAA = Creates possible scenarios (that wouldn't damage the image of Egypt Air) > investigates the scenarios (but no, not entirely, that'd reveal proof of something that'd damage our image!) > when foreign investigators transfer to law enforcement, actively try to stop and denounce them (I mean come on it's really damn suspicious when you do that, if you genuinely believed the guy was innocent and if he was the FBI would have found that yep, no foul play)
Their confirmation bias was really depressing to witness, this is like 2+2=4 VS. 2+2=57.
he didnt commit suicide. He has no reason to do so, hes a decorated military veteran with so many flights under his belt. It was america which was suspicious not allowing anyone to hear the black box which sounds cut out, and claiming the plane has gone missing and only crashed a whole hour later which just doesnt make sense. It was shot down by a missile on accident (or on purpose) and was a cover up. The reason he turned off the auto pilot was so he can navigate around the missile defences, and later when the second pilot arrived they werent arguing? He was literally helping him achieve his mission. Also in addition there were 33 egyptian officers and 3 NUCLEAR scientists. And we all know americas history of not wanting other countries to have nuclear weapons.
I love binge watching these.. Who else agree
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I watch every channel, I retired from an Airline, so I have it in my blood, I know it's Ghoulish but I love a good aircraft carnage video, especially when you have a problem that takes a while to land or crash.
The length Egypt went to in order to defend a murderer is kinda mind boggling.
I understand not wanting to accept that someone so esteemed (and personally connected to high ranking officials...) could do this, but the evidence is pretty obvious. To ignore it and say it's just some evil foreign ploy is almost sickening, and shockingly disrespectful to all the victims.
????? I don't get it when you say "Went in to order"
That's the middle east for you. Ego often outweighs logic and fact even. However, it is important to know that this is only a small minority of egoistical men there. The majority of people there are some of the brightest and best the world has to offer and also the nicest and most generous.
@@SatanClaus69 your perception might change, if you go and watch the last week's Mayday(Iran Air Flight 655)
May be if they stopped this, they could one day win a war. 🤭
@@SatanClaus69 but importantly, the ones in power tend to be the egocentric ones because the social and political systems are designed to work in their favor since the time of colonialism, at least.
Thank you for doing this as I worked with a gentleman who lost his and his wife’s life on this flight. For all who lost loved ones or friends I give my condolences. For the captain who tried to save everyone he should be honored for trying.
Absolutely disgusting when countries refuse to admit what their pilot did, especially when it's so obvious.
Yeah it is very clear.
@RANI YAFAI so you are saying Al-batouti is not a mass murderer. Keep living in denial.
@@ranapratapsingh3416 no he’s saying the opposite, he’s saying that higher ups are forcing the Egyptians to say it’s a mechanical failure when it wasn’t
@@moeali2223 I see. This isn't a mechanical problem. This is a purely suicidal mission.
@@ranapratapsingh3416 No sh*t, how ignorant are you? Did you not read what they said? How did you come to that idiotic conclusion?
My cousin was in the Coast Guard and assisted with the debris recovery of this crash. She said the items recovered were haunting - kids shoes, body parts. Murder suicide by the evil pilot.
Wow. That's just horrible.
Body parts?!
@@florjanbrudar692 maybe cause people died
How is that evidence for suicide? It’s evidence that a place crashed
@@rhetoric5173 I didn’t give the evidence of suicide/murder in my comment.
But the elimination of all other potential causes left only one cause: pilot did it on purpose.
Like Germanwings one. And probably MH370.
It was the only logical option remains.
It’s shady that the problems started when only one pilot was left in the cockpit.
That's if the documentary was telling the truth.
@Hayden Burns Yes. Al Jazeera has gained access to the original VCR and is on youtube. Beside that the transcipt has been on the internet for over decade. How about you study the case for yourself. Even the daughters of fellow pilotes as seen in this video seem to disagree with the American investigation.
Note :
the sole survivor of the EgyptAir Flight 990 disaster is an Egyption army intelligence officer who supposed to be one of the passengers , but by ''''Coincidence'''' he missed the flight !....he's now the president of egypt ''Abdel-fatah El-Sisi'' !
@Hayden Burns How is one biased for not condemning but defending the one who supposedly killed her father. That makes no sense at all. My 2 cents. If Batouti wanted that plane to go down he would have made far more convenient actions that would fit a mass murder-suicide. The unintelligable phrase at the beginning of the ordeal was thought to be "control it" or "hydraulic". If we assume it to be hydraulic it could change the entire case. If you listen to the VCR you"ll notice the phrase dials down and comes to a complete halt shortly after the Captain enters. Beside that it should be assumed that if Batouti was about to embrace death he would have used other phrases, don't take my Muslim word for it. Search for hijacking transcripts or even Muslim suicidal pilots. The last words are always either "God is great" or "I bare witness there is only one God, and Mohammed is his messenger". There is not one single case that i could find under these circumstances where that didn't happen. Hell, even some non suicidal pilots were recorded saying one of those two on their final moments. I also believe this is why Egypt protested so heavily against the American investigation. Anyway back to the point, the captain asking wether the engines are off, for some reason people think this was a suprising qeustion to Batouti, but if you listen to the recording it is much more in the tone of a order then a reqeust. The captain clearly tries to convey the same message in a different and clear way where he made a small mistake and said "get away "in" the engines" which he almost directly corrected with "shut the engines" in which Batouti replies "it's shut" inmediatly in a firm and stressed tone. Those were his last words. Beside that you also can't disgard the 150 planes that were grounded and i believe 53 of those had to undergo maintainance on the elevators. I think this was a case of extraordinary odds gone bad, but we will likely never know for sure. Have a blessed and peacefull day :).
you forgot the part that is comparable to a Christian chanting Jesus take the wheel 11 times before and during problems arise.
Disengaging Autopilot, failing to answer Captain's questions, cutting off fuel to the engines was clear evidence that Al-Batouti was a man on a mission. Whatever he did that fateful day when the Captain left the Cockpit was intentional.
Too bad.
👍👍👍👍
That's most definitely 💯 truth of the matter! His actions were deliberately and intentionally on purposed to kill himself and everyone else on the airplane.
Facts
Yes. He might have the benefit of the doubt, except for turning off the fuel to the engines.
I feel very sad for those passengers and crew who had no idea what was going on. They died not knowing that their lives were taken away by the selfish act of a disgruntled and suicidal pilot.
I know, he had his privilege taken away for sexual advances
Suicide in the name of Bullah oh Cubbar
How sure are you that the airline and the plane makers are NOT hiding facts? After all this is America and it is all about money. You are making a judgment based on your prejudice.
Come on man u can't judge first officer by ur own . Noone knew what was cause this shows ur biased towards one country . Being a neutral who come from India even i feel there is much more facts which are being hidden
I am Egyptian and I believe that al Batouti intentionally crashed the plane however you are right there are much more facts that are hidden, for example we don't know the entire conversation between the two pilots a the cockpit voice recorder stopped however by all these evidence showing that al batouti crashed the plane, there is no way I won't believe that al batouti is the man behind the crash
Elevator was not jammed in fact it has dual sided force effect when NTSB checked because two pilots are exerting force in opposite directions. One trying to up the nose of the plane and another one was trying to dive hence committed suicide and killed all in that.
There is no way for the Egyptian Government to explain that, plus he even shut the engines off, so there was no recovery even if they got it leveled. Pilot Suicide
Couldn't agree more
That is very correct.
and sorry to say, even Smart Computer can not decided which one has good will when this thing happened
It was jammed but it was also Co pilot suiside
35:45 “because he’s an Egyptian pilot”
No, because he intentionally crashed the plane.
@Setting Goals Most well-constructed argument I've ever seen
This is what you get when a religion celebrates suicide.
@@Southamericangirl42 It literally says in the video that Muslims are against suicide, it's one of the prime arguments for him not crashing the plane (although I believe he did). The Koran explicitly forbirds suicide-it's the terrorists that support it, and al-Batouti was never affiliated with terror groups, and this was before the war on terror. I think he just had a grudge against the airline.
@@thefriednoodle8082 Islam absolutely supports suicide. Or more specifically, it supports dramatic suicide. Martyrdom is absolutely endemic to modern Islam and it’s really the biggest incompatibility between that faith and the rest of the world.
@@Jaxck77 The faith itself doesn't support suicide-however it does support Jihad, and Jihad is Islamic terrorists' justification for using suicide attacks. Obviously, suicide attacks were never covered in the Koran, so they use such a loophole for their acts
I’m new to this show. Such compelling stories and so well done. The combination of human behavior, mechanical/maintenance failures, and flying airplanes makes the most profound drama of the human condition.
Can't even play devil's advocate with this one. That Relief First Officer allowed that plane to crash and kill everyone on board. Such a tragic story, RIP to everyone on board.
"Allowed" it to crash? *Forced* it to crash, more like.
@@blessedbethecurse Why?
NTSB always rules foreign crashes like this as terrorist plots but never admits TWA 800
@@greasyflight6609 Because that's exactly what it looks like.
@@omegavladosovich6757 Except in this case they didn't call it a terrorist plot, they said it was a likely criminal act by a single person and didn't say it was done for ideological reasons. So your comment doesn't make sense. And what do you think TWA 800 was?
The Captain who tried to save lives should have a statue of him.
That would require admitting the RFO murdered everyone on board....Egypt will never allow that.
Absolutely, he tried until the very end. Here in the states, we build statues of our criminals :-)
@@srmj71 😂 yeah that's a true statement, well I think I'm going to go cry now.
@@srmj71 he means not he first officer with the nickname "captain" the actual captain who says "Pull up! Pull up! Pull up!" when sh*! hit the fan
Edit I am neutral because I'm neither American or Egyptian
@@brothernotsmartius1244 yeah, I got that. I should've been more clear. I think it's a miracle he was able to make his way back into the cockpit. Can you imagine what went through his mind when he realized it was the copilot causing the problem?
This one makes my stomach turn😡 From what I see and hear he did it on purpose, forced his way to fly hrs before he was supposed to, turned off the engines and was pushing down the entire time. His family and Egypt is in serious denial.
"I have lost control of the plane" is what you would expect to hear an experienced pilot tell his captain as part of the flight team. But one could see from the moment he pushed the younger man out of his seat (his bullying was on the recording) that he was not respecting proper cockpit protocol. It was all about him and his "pain." Same mindset as those who take part in school shootings; selfishness beyond compare and an uncontrollable lust for revenge. It comes from feeling powerless.
If you choose to commit suicide, do it alone. Dont take others with you. They didn't choose that route. You could tell by his final prsyers to allah, he was asking forforgiveness knowing what he was planning was wrong, killing more than himself.
Agreed. He was a monster. Too pathetic and selfish to leave the world on his own, he had to take over 200 innocent people with him.
he didnt commit suicide. He has no reason to do so, hes a decorated military veteran with so many flights under his belt. It was america which was suspicious not allowing anyone to hear the black box which sounds cut out, and claiming the plane has gone missing and only crashed a whole hour later which just doesnt make sense. It was shot down by a missile on accident (or on purpose) and was a cover up. The reason he turned off the auto pilot was so he can navigate around the missile defences, and later when the second pilot arrived they werent arguing? He was literally helping him achieve his mission. Also in addition there were 33 egyptian officers and 3 NUCLEAR scientists. And we all know americas history of not wanting other countries to have nuclear weapons.
It’s obvious what happened here, a proud man had his ego hurt, his career was ending, felt offended by the superior and the new first pilot, decided to “pay back” to those that offended him. It’s actually something common that you see for long time employees of a company that are forced out to get a bout of depression, lash out at people. What I don’t understand is why his superior had to travel to NYC to have a talk with him, when the employee in question was a pilot and would be in Cairo in couple days, I assume the head pilot wanted a free trip to NYC, he should had waited to drop the news on him when they came back to Cairo, put him on fake medical leave and let him retire in 3 months. Once the news was delivered in NYC that he was being forced out, he never should had been allowed to fly the plane again.
That is what doesn't make sense why allow him to fly if he had just given him the bad news. All airlines know the procedure is to not put such a person in control. There were 14 other pilots on the same flight that is why i don't believe that he had been demoted. The chief pilot was scheduled to be on that flight long before the alleged sexual harassment took place - it was simply a coincidence.
Don't be funny! The chief pilot was on board the flight he didn't fly to the US to fire him.
Second that story was told by the asylum seeking pilot in London who has never been at the scene where the conversation between the two dead pilot took place just hours before their death! How could he know about the conversation?! The director of this dramatic movie didn't tell us.
Even though he was not fird in that conversation, in Egypt air the chief pilot cannot fire anyone! It's a government firm. At least not without a long bureaucratic investigation.
According to the claimed conversation he was banned from flying to the US for the last 3 months before his retirement. Is it enough to make him decide to lose everything and kill himself? No.
@@Scho-penhauer what puzzle me in this case ,is the phrase 'I Put My Trust In God' that the man repeated as many as 14 times, urgently and prayerfully as ! knowing that suicide and mass murder are horrible sins according to his religion of Islam ,Muslims in Egypt consider suicide as blasphemy, that is punished by eternal hell ,the same goes for mass murdering innocents.. how could he invoke his god's support repeatedly,while blaspheming him ,is something beyond me !!!..
I wouldn't suggest he was a proud man, he was a grubby sex crazed waste of airspace.Why would anyone of his 'stature bother females with his obvious sexual deviant activity, he had only got his position thru the back door, only positive comment I can make is DON'T FLY Egyptian.
It's a bit like what happened with Silk Air
It was in level flight, autopilot was engaged. Relief pilot takes over, within seconds he's disengaged the autopilot and pushes the nose down. This was no accident, the real captain knew the relief pilot was up to no good. He was questioning him and confused as hell because he was pulling up while he was pushing down. There was no reason to have ever disengaged the auto pilot unless the pilot was intending on doing something drastic. This relief pilot was being investigated by the carrier and was due to face some serious implications the day that flight was scheduled to arrive Cairo
+Butter Robot Disengaged the autopilot, *AND* pulled the thrust levers back.
It could have been human error, but suicide also cannot be ruled out, sadly.
As someone who struggles with severe depression I get why people choose to end their lives. I also understand the pain and broken hearts you leave behind. The pilot's actions was disgusting. Those passengers had absolutely nothing to do with his troubles. How could he kill all those innocent passengers that had lives of their own and people to live for? As crazy as this sounds I could tolerate what Richard Russell did. He hijacked a EMPTY plane. He didn't kill a plane full of innocent, unassuming passengers.
Well said. I have a lot of empathy for Russell, particularly because he asked for a heading to keep him out over water and stated he didn't want to hurt anyone else.
What Al-Batouti did was unforgivable.
@@adamp9348 Thank you Adam. You're right, it's insane what Richard did, but at least he didn't harm or kill anyone else.
don't by into this crab the story is totally manufactured
@@sam70000 Hey, I found an Egyptian Offical! 😃
@@Kikiricki11 did you know kiddo more than 200 eye witnesses saw missile coming from military war ship during exercise hitting TWA flight 800 and yet investigations find was mechanical failure...keep believing what they tell you..false flags and coverups have become normal and more for the fools to keep believing what they are told
one day you'll wake up with missile in your rear not knowing where the hell it came from
The Captain clearly attempted to try and correct what was going on. I didn’t hear the 1st Captain even trying to help the Captain. And if the 1st Captain didn’t do anything wrong then he would have answered the Captain.
RIP all those who lost their lives🙏🏼❤️
i am egyptian and i believ the relief pilot is responsible, may the lord grant peace to those who died
God Bless you 🙏
@@adventurerider6877 Are yhu for real that person that didn't enter is now Egypt president?
God bless your soul for telling the truth 🙏 you are a brave man (or a woman I dont know)
@@ori1676 woman :) lol thank u
Same
I think the Egyptian government was in denial - and it's not a river in Egypt.
All kidding aside, I find it incredibly frightening that so many tragic crashes occur not only because of pilot error, but as a result of personality deviance, fractured egos and psychotic behaviour. It is one thing to commit suicide - while another matter entirely when you take 216 innocent souls along with you in your final destructive moments. RIP to all who suffered and lost in EgyptAir Flight 990.
They absolutely were in denial. This isn't the first time that Egypt tried to pin blame on the plane itself when the crew did something obviously wrong. Egypt holds their pilots in the highest regard, and will almost never admit to them making an error, much less intentionally killing passengers. Nearly every fatal accident that has occurred with Egyptian pilots has been blamed on the aircraft.
Denial, The Nile :-) Awesome...
Wtf are u talking about, that makes no sense at all
@@Superrayjunw It makes perfect sense. Maybe you need to enrol in some reading comprehension courses. Then you can work on your manners.
@Sunshine Ng Yeah, no kidding! But I also mentioned personality deviance, psychotic behaviour, etc. etc. This guy decided he didn't want to live anymore - and sentenced all those innocent people to that same horrific outcome. It's the stuff that nightmares are made of.
I doubt the Egyptian government was worried about protecting the co-pilot’s reputation (if true), but about protecting tourism. It is a fairly large revenue source in Egypt, and pilots crashing planes full of tourists could make some decide to vacation elsewhere.
Absolutely
Bang on
Well the fact that they keep lying and trying to cover this up definitely makes me less confident in ever being on one of that company’s planes than if they had just admitted the truth about the pilot. Cause one pilot makes me question the pilot. But now they have me questioning their whole system from top to bottom. Shady.
The Egyptian government had a hand in this. The story is that one of the military officers who was suppose to be on the plane is the current president of Egypt right now, El SISI. El SISI was suppose to be on the flight and moments before he boards the plane he was informed by someone not to get on the plane and he survived the "accident". The aim was to kill the Egyptian military officers who were training with the US army. No one knows why and anyone who speaks about that flight disappears. There is even rumours that the Mossad is involved because the military officers were considered scientists who were building weapons that could threaten Israel's sovereignty. A real story that actually happened was that an Egyptian scientist snuck parts of a missile undetectable by radars into several flights that would later be rebuilt in Egypt. The Mossad found out about it and as a result the US government took back the missile and arrested the scientist. The Egyptian president at the time (Mubarak) fired the general in charge of the operation. It is believed that the general was loved by the military and that there was connection between him and some of the officers on board the flight.
@@m.a.sherif6878 so al batouti was a mossad agent on a suicide mission?
The suicide pilot First Officer died without honor. His family had no honor. The Captain on the other hand is a man I will always respect. A true hero.
Can't even watch the rest after I realize that psychopath killed everyone cuz his little ego was hurt.
I had to stop watching after 5:00 when all those people talked about their parents traveling on that flight.
It’s very sad. I watched this story before, where it wasn’t revealed so quickly who was at fault, so I knew the outcome and also stopped watching.
The senseless death is the saddest part. Second to that is the ego of Egyptian authorities, who, instead of propping up the heroes of this crew chose to defend the culprit.
this is not real, the aircraft was hit by missiles and the captain was an old air force pilot and tried to save the aircraft. he also has three phone calls recorded before the flight that he was talking to his friends and daughter in egypt telling them he got the things they need. usa said it was a suicide attempt to cover up the fact that they shot down the aircraft because it had around 80 military officers on board and 3 egyptain nuclear scientists. please read all the facts
@@mohammedayman8159 You literally made that up. The aircraft was recovered and was NOT shot by missiles. If it was, then Egypt would be SCREAMING that from the rooftops.
@@polarisnorthdrd ZZZ,
Sure, because every pilot knows the first action taken to counteract an elevator problem is shutting down the engines.
No, you see, that is just part of the cover up. /s/
And continue to push the yoke forward while the captain pulls back. Flight school 101. Yup
If he wanted to crash the aircraft, why didn't he give full thrust?
@@user-yt198 No, no! He had an ELEVATOR problem so he shut the engines OFF and pushed the nose DOWN. He was really SAVING the plane, you know, with his vast experience as a skirt-chasing, career FO.
@@melaniecarver5719 There is no evidence that he pushed the nose down. You will be surprised, but FDR of the aircraft was NOT recording pilot controls.
Also he did NOT shut the engines off. He put them to IDLE. Do you know the difference?
This is from CVR:
Captain: Shut the engines.
FO: It's shut.
What does it sound like? They were having or thinking that they have an OVERSPEED problem of course!
Unfortunately we don't know the details, because such alarms were not recorded.
when it says "the film is based on cockpit recording" my last piece of hope vanished cuz I knew there are no survivors. 😔
also you have to question why the voice recorder data was not made public
Me too . I often have anxiety watching these mayday documentaries. Some times I have nightmares at night after watching these
@@sam70000 These aren't supposed to be made public anyways
@@sam70000 You can blame Delta Flight 1141 for that.
and when all the interviews are from the family members of the passengers and crews. None from survivers.
I remember this. My parents and I were listening to it on the radio late evening and praying for everyone on the plane. Hearing that no one survived was heartbreaking. :(
I heard of it on T.V. and thought, "How very sad. But it's an Egyptian plane. At least no one I know will be on it." Not 30 minutes later, I got a call that, indeed, two close friends were onboard, part of the group of retirees wanting to see Egypt. Weirdly, I particularly grieved that they never got to see the pyramids, the reason for their journey.
@@kathleeneparker98: I'm so sorry. 😞
Christians are idol worshippers, their prayers will not be accepted.
This ichannel is the reason why i am developing a phobia of air travel.
How many planes fly per year vs how many crash per year? Flying is very safe.
Roughly 1.35 million people die in car crashes everywhere according to one study. In contrats, about 500-600 die every year in plane crashes and that is if a crash happens.
This channel has actually helped me get over flight anxiety.
Lmfao
@@jamieohjamie yes, but it will only take 1 to take your life.
My friends, Mary and Bob Rice were on this flight. They're from San Diego, CA. Mary had recently retired from ICU nursing and she and Bob were traveling the world and enjoying life. This was a heartbreaking and unbelievable event. It is still a very painful memory and they left behind a a multitude of family and friends.
Wow. That's horrible. She finally retired only to die in this crash. Thats so sad. At least she died w her husband by her side.
Sorry to hear of your loss. A true tragedy.
@@mrsx7944 Yes. I still cannot imagine what they experienced and I agree - at least they were together.
@@ItsKrma00 I’m so sorry for your loss. May they Rest In Peace.
@@carmelpereira6003 How thoughtful you are. Thank-you sincerely.
From pilot Taha's interview, it's clear that Al Batouti brought down EgyptAir 990 and murdered 216 passengers and crew.
There's no doubt about that!
In the companies I've worked for, you never get a heads up that you are getting fired. You first get the news and then escorted out and removed access from getting back in. That concept was more important in this industry. Should have been obvious for all the other pilots when things started going wrong why this guy wanted to take his turn too early and they should have all come back in and kicked him out.
Yeah that is wild to tell someone they’re going to be fired and then let them continue their duties after being told that information, especially for a job with such clear danger involved. Even for office jobs you don’t get fired and finish out your day you get fired and escorted out.
A disgruntled or disciplined airline employee has no business being in the cockpit
If he was desperate to die, he could have died alone. Why the HELLISH HELL did that psychopath bring the entire plane down? Especially knowing that the command F/O was about to get married? Horrendous!!
I think he did this to make the airline pay for what they've done to him. It's the biggest middle finger he could probably cook up.
Because misery loves company.
The screams and horrors excite me every time I watch this episode. :)
Hopefully today's pilots watched this episode and have learned never to leave another pilot or first officer alone in the cockpit. Didn't they have like 3 or 4 pilots there? There should be no excuse for all of them to leave him all alone.
I believe most modern airlines have two pilots. The occasional jump seating, but is not in control of anything on the aircraft, basically just a passenger. But I also believe the protocol, (at least for flying freight) if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit for any reason, someone else on the flight is to come take their seat until they return. There are to be two people in the cockpit at all times.
pilot, co pilot and they usually had engineer, which is now removed from most, if not all planes due to automation
I think after what happened with Germanwings 9525. There was a rule mandated that a flight attendant must be at the cockpit if one of the pilots decided to leave the cockpit.
MALAYSIA 370 REDUX!
Rest assured that all airlines policies now dictate that if any of the flight crew will leave the cockpit for any reason (going to the lavatory) a cabin crew member must stay inside with the other pilot until his arrival
I flew with a 1st Officer who threatened to commit suicide twice while in the hotel. He was going to jump off the hotel roof. I was present for one of the two episodes. He was divorced 4 times, never made it to the Captain's seat, had minimal abilities as a Pilot. I was very concerned about flying with him. He died shortly afterwards. Cause unknown, but more than likely suicide . He had drunk enough to sink a ship. Pilot's are humans and suffer from the same emotions as everybody else. To take 100 plus others with you is inexcusable. Clearly, this was the cause of 990....
Sorry, but it's a Management failure to have someone as you described sitting at the front of a commercial aircraft.
I believe in working together but I also believe in not hiding safety issues.
He also had a few "issues" over his behavior in a New York hotel.
Working in aviation most of my life, it is unfathomable to me to think of any FAA investigator and by extension investigation to not be done in a 100% professional and factual manner. People in aviation, top to bottom are the most disciplined people you can meet.
Except Egyptians...
Until Trump starts poking his nose.
@@sv6306 Exactly, he ruins everything
One exception to your statement, not entirely sure if the NTSB investigators became so tunnel visioned with a biased, preconceived notion they felt was the cause or Boeing consulted with the NTSB to blame the pilots to avoid grounding 1,700 727s, the TWA 727 piloted by Hoot Gibson that fell over 30,000 feet in less than a minute before the pilots regained control and landed, the investigators from almost minute one believed the pilots had done something to cause the dive, then they insisted they were messing around with the flaps, and never thoroughly questioned the pilots about the events leading up to the dive, even allow them to tell their version of what happened, nor did an appropriate analysis of every part that could cause a loss of control. The final report blamed the pilots for the dive for extending the flaps and slats in cruise but the physical evidence showed the dive was due to a lower rudder hardover and when the gear was extended in a last ditch attempt to save the plane, there was an overextension that ruptured a hydraulic line and centering the lower rudder.
Had they questioned the pilots they would have learned the plane yawed several times before the dive.
The good news is that this was due to a fluttering outboard aileron, being at 39,000 feet and a faulty yaw damper which wouldn’t have necessarily caused a grounding of all 727s, and there were some other instances of a yaw damper and hydraulic lock causing a rudder hardover but none were at 39,000 feet or had a fluttering outboard aileron.
But as you said, every investigation is conducted professionally and with the exception of the Hoot Gibson story, what the NTSB declared happen in over 150,000 reports was what most likely happened.
RE the title: It is no mystery, it is clear as day that the FO committed a disgraceful pilot suicide, the only problem here is that the Egyptians refuse to admit that one of them would do such a thing, a widespread disease within this culture. Might sound harsh but it's true.
True, Gameel Al-Batouti was quite certainly the muderer.
Yep. Egypt is so corrupt. Lived and worked there. And of course, god forbid that a Muslim man is revealed to be a womaniser who committed suicide - both are haram.
@@davidjma7226 Stop the politics! He made mistakes but really it is obvious he did not deliberately crash the plan.
@@sene311 how is it obvious?
@@sene311 Are u blind or deaf?
The flight cockpit recorder is all you need to solve this case. The family of the relief co-pilot should stop their nonsense. The cockpit recorder clearly explains what was going on that is why he did not say anything to not incriminate himself on the insurance payout for his family. Anyone who does not talk about what the airplane is doing during an event like that should never set foot inside a cockpit and their intent is clear, taking down the airplane on purpose as it has happened before. This was clearly intentional as he never spoke back to the captain as to what he was doing to recover.
As an Arab I say this plane was forced to the ocean, RIP to all the Innocent people 😔
Thank you. Men like this “crazed individual” gives your religion a “horrible stain” in the eyes of the world !
Very sad..RIP to all those who lost their lives because of someone's else madness.
It's not someone madness, it was shot by rocket, this plane had on it 33 highly trained Egyptian officers that just finished their training camp in US and also there were 3 atomic scientists on the plane. It was meant to kill all of them by a rocket.
@@aladdinovich are you related to that mad pilot??
@@DRSURYAPRAKASHSURGEON No. But we know about him from his family. He was a good person, happy in his life with his family, religious and not someone who wants to suicide. This is their slur and fake investigation to hide the truth. By the way only one man at the last moment didn't travel with this plane, he cancel his travel in the last moment, one officer, he is currently the President of EGYPT. Everything was planned for it loooooooooong time ago
@@aladdinovich Shot by a rocket 🤣🤣🤣 must of been a very small rocket which only disabled the elevator controls. It doesn't take a scientist that that mad man took over the plane and caused the crash. Can't argue with fhe timing of all those events.
@@DJSaulTNutss It is funny ya? I know that, you can laugh as much as you can 🤣🤣🤣.
Does anyone else get excited when they see another new mayday episode on this channel? Because I definitely do
Aviation greatest Mystery Mh370
Yeah these are great I love these videos
You can always find their other videos on YT, the show's been running since 2004
Edit: 2003, not '04
I was till I discovered it's all old documentaries mostly made by NG
For example Egypt air 990 I was expecting different story but it's the same old fake documentry
@@хайсамомаров expected from an Egyptian
JAL 123 lost its entire tail section and maintained flight for 30 minutes. I have a lot of trouble believing an elevator jam caused such a catastrophic nose dive so instantly
yeah it's no Alaska 261 with how EgyptAir 990 crashed
Which is why he switched the autopilot off , he knew it would adjust the stabiliser trim to override the elevators .
Alaskan airlines the stabilisers became unsecured , nothing the elevators did was effective.
Any pilot half his weight knows , speed equals lift , he killed the engines , didn’t use spoilers , didn’t adjust trim , deliberate
@@teddrewflack400 were you there bro
Nothing like that
@@dgtech2040 oh man come on! I'm an Arab myself and a pilot, and when a person continuously says the words that he said non-stop from start to finish that says it all! Not to mention disengaging the autopilot and deliberately pushing the nose down! How much more proof do you need? What reason is there to push the nose down during cruise? Even if it were an elevator failure, logically you would pull the nose up, he shut off the engines to make it more difficult to pull out of the dive, how much more evidence do you need?
I remember this happening. The true hero in this was the captain who actually took to the air. The mere fact that he was able to get back into his seat, was amazing. My thoughts are still with the families.
My dad’s best friend was on this flight, may he Rest In Peace :(
Not sure if I believe you
He died in 1999? This must be so horrible! He could have lived until 2000
@@reeceerlbacher183
Why not? He most likely googled it
the episodes where the plane crashes bc of a person doing something wrong are the worst bc the flight would’ve been fine if it was just a different captain
Not different captian
YEP! This isn't the first time a pilot has crashed a plane to commit suicide. Pilots should have regular psychological examinations to ensure persons that have manic depression or are suicidal are not in the cockpit. Especially those grieving the death of a loved one
@@devingeary455 yeah germen flight 9565 or 9585 I think
@@ananthakrishnanj Deutschland
We just got off 2 x 15 hour flights, glad I am watching this after and not before
+Val Altman EgyptAir? *lol*
First thing I noticed when I started this episode was the reliever co pilot leering at the flight attendant. The voice over was introducing him as an elderly first officer they call Captain and such but I was just bothered by how he leered at that woman. And…well…further on in this episode I had an answer.
Old men are degenerates like I really don't want to talk to them
That is an actor reenacting the scene.
Egypt really dropped the ball on this one. Good thing we have the data from the plane to tell us of this murder/suicide.
Murder-suicide
Feel better now?
He literally drove the plane in the ocean. His family is delusional.
Let me preface by saying profiling someone is never okay, regardless if it is due to race, nationality, etc. That being said, the woman who attempted to defend the relief co-pilot with accusing the NTSB of profiling because he was Egyptian was complete and entire BS. It made me so angry when she said that, especially in the face of all the undeniable facts that this was a mass murder. Some people are disgusting, this episode demonstrated that perfectly.
The quote at the end where the guy says it was a simple plane crash that they framed like this for no reason, which is proof that it was a cover up.
A cover up for what??? The guy literally admits it was a "simple plane crash" in his mind.
You can hardly blame the family for being in denial, but that was such weak logic lol.
@@nexaentertainment2764 I suppose I didn't take into consideration the family's viewpoint being skewed by the corruption of the Egyptian official report, you raise a good point
@@nexaentertainment2764 he said it was a simple plane crash because he is no expert. He's trying not to act like a know-it-all. I can't say I know any of it either, but it is weak logic for NTSB to jump to conclusions based on something like sexual harassment allegations and the asylum-seeking captain, which only happened AFTER the crash.
@uwais msnn Given that his culture didn't condone suicide, it makes sense that he wouldn't shut the door, thus removing any evidence leading to suicidal intent.
Others have done it. Germanwings, perhaps the missing Malaysian Air plane. It was not because he was Egyptian. It seems to me that they are just as guilty of what they are accusing the NTSB of. They refuse to look at the evidence that is there and refuse to believe that any Egyptian could ever commit murder/suicide simply because why?? Because they are Egyptian? No, they are human and can fall prey to the same things that other races or ethnicity do. The man was angry enough to the point that he was willing to take himself out and everyone else on that plane. He would not be the first.
I would have to side with the NTSB’s conclusions because Egypt’s culture places a lot of praise on their pilots and are more likely to blame the equipment than admit that pilots are human beings who are capable of irrational actions. Since they are all primarily Muslim, their culture have very serious taboos in regards to suicide. The Egyptian investigators were also unwilling to accept pilot error as the cause of Flash Airlines Flight 604’s accident because of Egypt’s culture.
NTSB is just the United States interfering with foreign matters
I totally agree, just 2 facts seal it. 1. Shut down all engines 2. Control inputs were opposite of Captain. Egypt will need to get over it, this is a no brainer, I'm not even counting his character, he's guilty as OJ
Batouti we are sorry
Its a lie that u have to take
How the hell does people just believe that??
Because he was alone and said Arabic statement so he is suicidal???
Why didn't the co pilot lock the captain out?
Why did the captain tell him to shut the engines?
Why didn't Boeing allow any Egyptian to listen to the cvr till 2020 ?
Why was the plane delayed 4 hours?
Why did batouti have an argument with his son inorder to come to the cairo airport to help him move the tires he brought from new York?
How can a pilot just be sitting and talking to his co pilot while his co pilot is putting the yoke down while the the captain was pulling the yoke back? Was there is a problem or the captain was blind?
Did we forget lionair 610?
When Boeing already knew that their was a system that no one knew about that made problems and the plane crashed Boeing tried to lie and said its a pilot error (as usual)!!
Till ethiopian 737max crashed Boeing was mad they can't say either pilot error or pilot suicide
Did we forget the b767 tail and controllable problems?
Give me answer to my questions and I will believe its a suicide lol
Why a person had to take off with a plane full of people to commit suicide,wasnt it so asier for him to kill himself in a very simple way
Their culture also, have taboos about sex outside marriage this piolit had been reprimanded just b4 this flight bc he had some many complaints from female staff and guest at the hotel the Egyptians piliots frequently stayed st in NYC during this reprimand which wasn't his first he was told he kniw longer would be allowed the privilege of flying to the USA anymore he was a married man and many who knew him concluded he downed the plane to prevent anyone knowing this!!
I feel so bad for the co-pilot who wasn't even supposed to be working but was trying to get home to get married. And then he dies. His poor fiancee. And the Capt who had been flying for 36 years with no issues and then he dies on this flight. Smh. RIP to everyone on board.
There was so much tragedy. The memorial service for two Coloradans killed in the crash was so enormous that so many thousands attended that not all could get in. We were all--men, women and children--just trying to come to grips with it all.
I flew Air Egypt back from Japan summer 1993. The plane ran off the runway in rain at Manilla. Everyone was fine but they tried to deny it/cover it up. Never flew Air Egypt again.
I remember seeing the news reports on this tragedy. Unfortunately we'll probably never get the real story, but my take on it is El Batouty felt shamed for getting busted for his bad behavior and he took the cowardly way out and purposely crashed the plane so he wouldn't have to publicly face his punishment and the Egyptian government tried to cover it up to avoid embarrassment and possible trouble with our country. Either way, it was such a sad loss of innocent lives.
It's obvious he intentionally crashed the plane. They could've given me that 10 million spent on the investigation. I would've close that case for $100.00 and keep the millions.
lol. Most under rated comment.
Even if, and that's a really big and improbable if, the relief first officer didn't do it on purpose, he's still majorly responsible for the accident and all those deaths. Even if it had been a genuine mechanical issue, he handled the emergency so badly that he might've just as well directly caused it. He didn't react as a trained pilot would - he didn't try to rectify the situation, he didn't communicate with his captain, he didn't do anything at all that could indicate he was trying to be a part of the solution.
As for the tyre argument; is it so inconceivable that that phone call could've happened before the crucial meeting with the chief pilot? Or, alternatively, isn't it possible he could've decided to commit suicide only once he boarded the plane?
My therapist asked me how I'm dealing with my addiction today. I looked deep into his eyes and kept repeating terrain terrain, pull up, pull up. Until he made me snap out of it! Needless to say, I'm doing okay I guess.
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Stall, stall. Stall, stall.
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Bank angle ..bank angle
MASTER CAUTION
This is isn’t suicide. It we call mass murder/suicide
The loyal nephew has no idea what he's talking about.
He's the cover-up.
1) He came early in the cockpit,
2) He argued and make first officer to go for rest,
3) Flight Elevator Brock down exactly when Captain was not available, (come on)
4) Not explaining the situation with Captain about the failure,
5) Not communicating with Captain about what he did or tried to recover the flights and how he can help now,
This points are more than enough to prove that First Officer purposely crash the flight and also there are American Army and Citizens on the flight so it was last minute decision
I can't believe this, just why would you do this? Can't even describe how selfish this was.
Culture, I also probably wouldn't have had that talk w the Pilot about never going to America again, I think that could have waited till you got home safely. He basically got fired from his route then let him fly??? Nothing good can happen there THIS JUST ADDED: I worked for a major US Airline, in that situation they would have had a relief Pilot fly in and he would NOT be allowed in the cockpit.
Selfish? Are you lost for words or what?
director of this movie wanted it this way...don't fall asleep for long
the issue is one......WHY DID THE PILOT LEAVE HIM ALONE IN THE cokepit.....? thats when hell broke loose
coka cola pit
No one could imagine what would happen. They trusted the freak! Unfortunately...
@@ZiadGomaa2009 coke pit voice recorder
That’s the question I’d ask for the Germanwings crash. However, the 2013 crash of LAM Mozambique 470 received very little media attention because it happened in a 3rd world country and only 33 people died, it’s never been officially confirmed that pilot suicide brought down MH370, so by the time of Germanwings, they believed that the case of pilot suicide was long gone. Sadly it wasn’t 😥
Standard protocol, probably thought another day at the office. I wouldn't have had that no more America talk w him until home, after he did talk to him I would not let him fly
No level of depression excuses being a murderer. Period. That's a different psychological trait entirely and requires a lack of empathy that is usually the opposite of most people with depression (who are usually more on the empath side, not cold-blooded killer side...) So awful that their government chose to focus on protecting the murderer instead of raising up the captain who did everything he could to save them!
An honest and open investigation simply follows the trail of evidence and lets the evidence determine what happened. Egypt in this case seemed to want to do everything they could to offer a compelling argument against pilot murder/suicide out of concern of how that would make their country look. Egypt was attempting a cover up, not an investigation.
Can’t believe that first officer crashed the plane like that.
R.I.P. To those who died.
He didn't allow it to crash, he crashed it
"Allowed"
I don't know how I will be able to get on a plane after binge watching these documentaries :/
Same here.
To me I think he was trying to kill everybody. When the other guy came in he should have notified him with everything he did . First of all any problem that he was facing should have been emergency for another Captain to come up. So that is terrorism
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Get a new vocabulary.
brain washed population will never get it!
Ur ego is exceeding even more your lack of knowledge
Saying any plane crash is "a simple plane crash" is actually insane; especially in the face all of the evidence that was against Al-Batouti.
Major credit for showing both sides of the story. Given the tensions between US and Egypt in 1999, it makes sense why the Egyptian government would try and pin the crash on the American Boeing instead of the Egyptian crew (even if the crewmember in question had a history of sexual harassment and had just been told he was doing his final flight from the US). I think the final straw for me is the Egyptian government trying to cover up Al-Batouti's history to prevent the FBI getting too much evidence. Clear that politics got in the way of a proper air crash investigation, but at least the 767's mechanical failures were found thanks to the Egyptian search into mechanical failure.
Except the 767 never had mechanical problems? Edit your comment “SupernovaeMisinformation”.
@@raihothexiv15th37 I don't remember why I wrote that 2 years ago. Just skimmed through the NTSB report and it does seem very unlikely the crash was influenced by a mechanical failure.
I remember hearing this on the radio with my mom who worked for TWA at the time the only other airline serving JFK CAI also with 767. The initial report was that a 767 from jfk to Cairo went missing. We thought for sure that this was the end of TWA. Post 9-11 that pilot would’ve been incapacitated for sure and had a chance of saving the plane. How did they even allow this pilot to fly after being disciplined for sexual harassment and facing termination upon return to Cairo ?
The fact that the first officer shut down the engines throws away any argument defending a mechanical failure in the aircraft.
Dont blame the mechanic when its not his/ her fault. Its bad enough they get blamed for alot of things when its managements fault or manufacturing or design by engineers defects.
Or pilots fault for not operating controls within designated limits.
The captain in the logs told him to shut then down and the FBI concluded that it wasnt murder/sucide
The horror that these souls went through deserves the obvious truth to be recognized by all. I can’t imagine the suffering in these last moments. Don’t be ashamed of the co-pilot be ever proud of your captain.
And, the suffering of their families who knew what they went through. One of my friends, killed in this tragedy, was there solely because his good friend, John, asked him to come on the trip. John's wife was going to come, but feared flying and then had a nightmare that the plane crashed and, therefore, begged out of the trip.
Captain Tahar acted honorably by disclosing the information he did, and at a great cost to him at that.
You don't tell a Pilot to know it will be his last flight and not expect him to get angry and take revenge on the airplane. Especially also being put in check for sexual harassment going on. This Pilot's world came crashing down way before the plane did the moment he was demoted and reprimanded for his actions. Egypt was just too humiliated to accept it was their pilot's fault.
Its only a "mystery" to Egypt because they're in denial.
For them denial is easier than accepting the truth.
@@Mundus-vult-decipi And that's insulting as hell to the victims and their families.
Egypt know what happened but they won't dare to say a word.or the military aid that goes to the puppets there would be cut
And de Nile is a river in Egypt.
Man!! I think I’ve almost watched all of these flight crash videos and there’s not a lot more. They’re all so good. They do a great job and the narrator is great, too.
So many bad/odd actions from the relief first officer. It's very difficult to craft a scenario where he isn't, at least partly, to blame.
Best case scenario there was a issue with the plane, but he didn't communicate and made serious mistakes in flying the plane that led to a crash.
Worst case, and frankly the simpler scenario; He planned revenge and as part of that was eager to take over from the regular first officer, waited until he was alone in the cockpit, and tried to fly the plane straight into the sea. It didn't go as flawlessly as planned as the captain made it back and tried to save the plane, but it was close enough.
The most important piece of evidence is, that the autopilot was disconnected before any controls input happened. A jammed elevator is a quite abrupt ocurrnace and the autopilot would have been disconnected by it and not 10 seconds before it .
The us and also boeing are no forreigners to not accepting the blame for things and for covering up stuff but here the evidence was pretty crushing
I’m gonna give more thought to the airlines I fly in the future. Sounds like more frequent Psych evaluations should be done as a mandate for every airline in the Sky. Disciplinary action probably varies greatly from country to country and airline to airline.
An number of nations, (they know who they are) permit ANYONE with the right credentials to fly, Mates, employment service,drinking mates, gambling mates,nutters etc normal intelligent people do not act in such a manner.
I won't be flying EgyptAir
The actor al batuti.. acting was awesome.. look at the emotions he emits.. perfectly done ..
Being an egyptian pilot, as the daughter proclaims, is not the issue here. The facts are clear.
Gamil Albatuti is not the only pilot murdering many and comitting suicide while in flight.
Mentally sick people come in al colours and backgrounds.
This case will be only a mistery for those who dont want to accept the facts.
His name is spelled Gameel Al-Batouti
Can you name 3 or 4 other incidents of pilots committing suicide by crashing passenger jets intentionally? Besides 9/11 of course.
@@joshm3484 Germanwings is one there was a few morenbut it is super rare.
@@joshm3484 lam Mozambique 470 germanwings 9525 silk air 185
In the year 2030 we would be watching a documentary titled: “Why SpaceX starship crashed on Mars”
true do
No!
Spacex will never get to mars. never!!!! Elon musk is a grifter.
Interesting 🤨
Possible
I'm from new york and remember this well That man killed those innocent people and himself
A high Quality production thanks