How Addicts Can Be Addicted To Being Dopesick? | FROM THE WORST WITHDRAWAL TO HIGHER THAN A KITE
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- A very weird and unique situation that happens is when addicts get hooked on the feeling of being in withdrawal. This probably sounds incredibly weird but there is a reason behind it... They want the feeling of getting un-sick...
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When i could hear the fedex truck coming from around the corner (in the mid 2000s i bought Norco online) i was soooooo freaking happy. Today i can't hear a fedex truck without feelings of disgust.
My sickness would always decrease significantly when I got the call from the dope man...just shows how powerful the brain is during WD
When you're SURE that you are gonna score and it's definately ON, that is SUCH A RELIEF.
@cannotfindmyshoes3 or when u actually have it in your hands?? Literally dont feel ill anymore on occasion. Or what about vice versa....i got locked up once and kicked for the first time. My mom got me out 2 weeks later....that night, at home, in my warm cozy bed where i shoulda been content and happy to be out of jail....i tossed and turned all night with that dreadful skin crawly, fish out of water , heebie jeebie feeling like i was going through withdrawal all over again.
BIG FACTS. This has literally been scientifically proven, FYI. Your symptoms will decrease rapidly if you know you're about to get your drug of choice. There have been numerous studies on this. It's so so so crazy that this is true. Just proves how much of addiction is mental. It's all in the brain. Yes its physical too, but the brain is what tells the body to react.
Yes omg
Experienced this a hundred times. But watching the damn phone for hours waiting for the call/text is madness.
I completely feel you for me It’s like I honestly got higher just from the excitement of getting dope and not being sick anymore. That build up just always gave me this rush idk
Edit: I am going to be 5 years sober on October 17th
i remember in active addiction i would sometimes find a bag i lost & i would instantly feel my withdrawal go away before i even shot it up. the placebo effect is strong
@@trashketchum9782 dude same. Just knowing the fact you’re about to feel good and not sick anymore is like a high itself. I’m glad you’re sober now bro , keep up the great work 💯
I understand
Back in my day of using, hearing the dealer just say over the phone "yes I got it" gave me a rush. Or when they say they need 5 minutes but take 30 When the call comes, boom I'm already high lol
Congrats that's a big deal. I understand that rush. Sick AF and finally on your way to score it was almost like an adrenaline rush then then that hit, going from sick to "well" was one of the best, most euphoric feelings ever. It was such a sick, disgusting cycle of pure hell in reality.
Have U ever thought about going into High Schools n talking to the kids??? U could Literally Save Lives! I Know they would listen to U....Keep Up the Great Work!
But it would never happen because the schools really don’t want your kids to succeed and they’re afraid of showing you the truth
They would rather invite trans liberals in to tell the kids they are gay and feline.
No. They dont listen. 2nd thing is more sad, can be harmful bc more they hear it, they want to try.
@@barbarah7089life should be about providing people with honest information about things such as drugs without making scare campaigns. Provide honest statistics and affects both positive and negative. If someone repeatedly insists on not doing something it has the opposite effect. His videos put me off trying drugs like cocaine or heroin
They won't listen they probably do it either way depending on the person
I'd sit in there in bed watching TV while dopesick for at least 2-3 hours just so that my dose would hit even harder. Just knowing that I had my "medicine" in the same room as me and I could take it anytime was enough to get me through for those 3 or so hours in the morning.
I WISH I could have done that. It's very difficult. You're stronger than I ever was !
For real. When the dealer calls and is ready I can move fast as f to go get it regardless how sick I am
Not only is this 100% a thing, but just being sick and then all of a sudden knowing you’ve got a secure line on something is like a shot of adrenaline. The end is in sight. In such and such a time, you’re going to feel not just better, but *great*. It’s impossible to describe. It’s just one of those things you only know if you’ve been there.
I understand exactly what you’re talking about. It’s the feeling of true bliss and gratefulness. That’s a feeling you can’t get just from a regular high. It’s like going from hell to haven.
Anybody familiar with the term "oil change"? Thats when an opioid (usually heroin) addict takes a hiatus from drug use (usually by going to rehab) and "intentionally' relapses. they do this to bring the tolerance down and recapture an intense high that an early user would obtain.
13 years in addiction your bang on . 100% been clean since 2009 thank God!! Massive respect 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I’ve never thought about it this way but you are exactly right about addiction to being dope sick. You actually appreciate feeling normal again so much that the normal seems almost euphoric.
Also, no one I know explains how dope sick feels better than the way you describe it. I believe it’s so hard to imagine how bad it feels unless someone feels it firsthand.
Keep up the good work.
Ill never forgive a POS Dr who refused to put me on Subs but gave me Naltrexone during active usage with no guidance other then “its just like subs!” Worst 72 hours of my life.
I feel for you, man ! It takes ages of feeling really, really f'kin sick before it's out of your system and some H will make you feel better. That "Doctor" was an evil, sadistic fu*ker to do that to you.
Definitely one of your more interesting videos.
I always appreciate your candor on topics that are often not given a lot of attention.
Addiction and recovery are extremely complex human experiences, so I love how dynamic your videos are. One can tell how sincerely committed you are to sobriety.
Keep on inspiring peeps!
Also, your eyes and eyebrows are GORGEOUS 😍
When you got a habit the best shot is when you are sick as hell
Hands down... great video..Ah Kyle you're knocking them out in good style.. you deserve more recognition brotha
That's insane! I am not an outside observer, and I never once did this. It never occurred to me. I always had stuff to do! I was a hoarder, too, kept months worth in the house so I could taper if I lost all connections (at least that was the plan, doubt it would have worked), never spent a moment sick... i mean maybe for a couple seconds in the morning, but I was well by the time the coffee finished brewing.
It's probably not a bad idea for your brain, honestly, to make it feel sick with some regularity. I ended up soaking my brain in opiates for many years never once giving it a taste of sickness, and now it's impossible to get it back to normal. I'll probably be dopesick for a year. Making it sick regularly probably stimulates it to keep making a few endorphins and not totally recede all your opiate receptors.
Haha! I’m going on close to 30 years of using now. I’ve always said heroin addicts are the only people who actually get that one thing you want most in the world…everyday. Every morning is like Christmas morning. But let me not make it sound too wonderful. It’s a F’ing miserable existence.
I used to get great night's sleep because I'd take 4mg Xanax and 4mg Klonopin before bed, wake up feeling great and looking forward to a lazy day stoned on Norco because I knew I'd feel great all day. I'd take them and drink ten red bulls. But when the Norco ran out I'd do the Xanax during the day but still felt like crap. When the Norco became available again, I'd do thirty a day. Did the whole trainspotting thing too, fishing them out of the toilet bowl after puking them up. Such an insane existence.
Sounds similar how people who have cured from depression have nostalgic feelings about their worst times.
Humans are weird as fuck
I'm British and was a Heroin addict during the 1990s and early 2000s (till I left in 2010) and I honestly think that our Gear, then (don't know what it's like these days), was better quality than what you have in the States because, unless it was really shit (in which case everyone would complain and get off someone else for a while), it would hold us till the next morning, and even then we'd only be getting the first, milder symptoms of withdrawing. Of course, by the late afternoon if you hadn't already got sorted you'd be feeling desperate and rough, sure. You'd have to have a massive dump ! And you'd be feeling the COLD, freezin yer tits off, nose running like a f'kin TAP, yawns so big you think you're gonna dislocate your jaw every two minutes... And even just those first symptoms are horrible enough so yeah, I sort of know what you mean- you'd be panicking in case you couldnt score (cop) that day and then as soon as you got that bag in your hand, nice and safe, you feel so relieved, knowing that it's not long now and all those symptoms will be gone, you'll feel WARM and you won't have to go through a long, uncomfortable night...relief from not only the physical symptoms but the mental anxiety of thinking you're not gonna score and you're just gonna feel worse and worse by the hour...and the longer without it, the harder it is to have to hang-around, walk around, do whatever it is you have to do to get it.
This was me… I was a poly benzo/oxy addict. I used opiates IV and benzos orally.. when I couldn’t get one I would go much harder on the other.. it was just a sick love triangle.
love your videos! Very inciteful, very accurate!
Interesting concept. Well broken down.
Back in my day of using, hearing the dealer just say over the phone "yes I got it" gave me a rush. Or when they say they need 5 minutes but take 30 When the call comes, boom I'm already high lol
Picking up when sick was the best.
Love the videos dude, I got an addiction channel myself you have a lot of good ideas. Word from Minneapolis Minnesota
You explained that perfectly! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thanks so much
This is crazy. I was an addict for years. The only thing I fan think of in terms of waiting to get dope sick is feeling dope sick late night and waiting till the morning too get high bc I knew that wake up shot when your sick is going get me high af.
Just subscribed… Love your honesty and realism in your descriptions.
CAN YOU PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON PAWS??? I think this would help a lot of ppl. Appreciate you buddy!
For me it was the chills bro the fuckin chills on my back were fucking brutal.
Extreme sleepiness , headaches, & sweating for me.
Yoooo I was doing this subconsciously at times. Good video
God bless you man
I'm hooked on your videos ! I love the way you describe withdrawal, it's very comforting because I feel very alone in this.. no one around me understands..I've seen a bunch of your stuff by now.. you described it so perfectly where I can never explain it to people who havent known it.. but dude I never wait! I cant afford to keep myself well 24 hours a day every day, so I do exactly what you said, wake up beginning anxiety sick, figure out my pill then as shitty a night a might've had, I still make it to the dealer and back some what normal, unless its really bad .. but when I get home I go straight to my room to get er done, for one it takes me a minute to poke since my veins are ruined, and i have other stuff to do , I have no choice but to do the dope trip first or I'll just be more and more useless as time goes on.. so I try to get it over with quick .. so ya, I've never seen a sick person wait too long haha
I have such a hard time finding a good spot that it can take a long time to get a good spot, and after 700 pokes its like winning the lottery getting it in all the way, I feel a million times relived before the rush even hits me .. not sure you done a vid on that haha
Hope you got clean brother
@@astralenlightenment1743 I'm on a program working with my doctor since a few months so it is helping me not have to do the run around, which is a huge load off, but I'm still on the opioids so essentially in the same spot .. in the past 3 years I got completely clean twice, the first times in 15 years I even tried! The first time felt like a miracle, I hadnt beeen totally sober in over a decade, then as it happens, my life totally fell apart, and I held firm longer than expected but in the end relapsed .. so working with my doc about my next attempt at getting off the stuff, dealing with my sober self first, before I get there, because I hadnt known her in so long I wasn't used to my actual self anymore, and the reasons I became addicted in the first place are still lingering
My relapses after clean time were always disappointing because i wasnt going from sick to high
You're crazy !😅
I think this is one of your best, important vids. My case is like a lot of people in chronic pain. It is a balancing act between withdrawals and joint pain. And threading the needle means I'm often going to be in withdrawals by the time I'm taking my morphine dose. Its weird and wonderful. I have time it so I can get out the door and be active for a whole day. And yes, I put it off as long as i practically can. But it is not just for the pain or the high. I find that I must hold off, using Kratom taper about once a month for 4 or 5 days. If I don't do that my tolerance gets so high the morphine stops knocking out the arthritis. Crazy way to live but it is the only option for me. I'm still working out how to self-medicate. It helps me A LOT hearing your side of it. I know I never have suffered like you guys. I guess thats because I don't inject and always make sure I've got some alternative available. I know I'll never be the way I was. I should have stayed forever young, heh
Addicted to the process of "getting off E" is more accurate.. ☕️ And I always felt like I got back to baseline or barely above it. It never felt like going from negative 10 to plus 10 in my experience. I would say plus two is a more accurate description..
Yeah I always felt like the more sick I was, the harder it was to feel good when I finally did take something. Of course I'd feel much better but it just seemed like once the pain gets so bad, it's harder to make it go away
Can I ask both of you a question? I'm also an addict but I was more about meth, I did mix oxy with meth a lot but then I went to the Suboxone clinic so I didn't withdraw until I got off that but I know heroin is worse. How much did you guys use??? And how often and how was the quality of the h?
@raymondmarceille7903 Every damn day, as much as we could get our hands on. And the H turned to fetty and it DESTROYED my life. So stay the fuck away..
This. 10000%. I always felt like the sicker I would get, the more it would take to get me back to baseline. Id have to get extra so that I could do enough to get me normal and then get high. There was plenty of times I could only get enough to just get me back to normal if I did it all at once but then you try to stretch it out and you just end up sick every 2 hours lmfao smfh I NEVER want to feel that ever again! 31 days clean today 💪@@user-mv3zo2ip9n
This video was so funny because I could relate to what you was saying I never realized I used to do the same thing. Been clean for 7 year's now and people don't realise you never lose that craving which will always stay with you.
Yep! Certainly has for me ! For the first 3 years I was always wondering when the craving would at last go away and that normal sleep would come back. 4 years in and the sleep has come back, my bowels are almost back to "normal" but the craving is still there. It f'kin haunts me ! I crave it, but I don't wanna go back to withdrawal all over again. I swear that as time went by, each withdrawal was longer and worse than the one before.
Congratulations on staying clean for so long, man, especially with still having cravings. Another thing that stops me from going back is the knowledge that straight-up, old fashioned Heroin is really rare now. It's not just cut with a bit of something relatively harmless anymore, it's probably cut with tonnes of nasty shit.
ive noticed the WD symptoms calm down when you know your about to get your fix
I understand it but for me it sounds insane. I couldn't even wait to get home. As soon as I get it I pull over somewhere and get well. That shit is crazy to wait to see how sick you can get before you get well? UGH! I just can't.
This is absolutely true
The only reason I never compared it to the flu is because you cannot sleep at all in withdrawal. So you're in agony, being tortured and can't sleep. Brutal. Never again.
I never met anybody that would cop and wait to get sicker, including myself. I hear what you're saying, you get way higher. I been dope sick af and once the dope hits my hands I feel better.
I believe this true and I believe I was exactly that person. I’ve been in that situation 1000x. Finally…finally I kicked it. It went on and on for years.
Haven't been sick in a while but I'm screwing around trying to go two days without my sub so I can feel SOME kind of euphoria even if it is just the sick to normal feeling being the reason.
I'm on fentanyl patches because I have chronic bone pain. The patches don't get me high, the most they do is make me drowsy and sleepy (obviously they reduce the pain immensely, which helps. They don't get rid of the pain completely though). The "high before the high" I can relate to, as when I'm in the taxi going to the chemist I feel very relieved, knowing that my pain is going to get a lot better and the drowsiness will let me have a little nap. I wish that I didn't need the patches, it's horrible to be so reliant upon something, especially when obtaining it is out of my control - it's up to the doctor and the chemist to agree to let me have it. The patches are supposed to work for 3 days, but on the third day they don't really work very well. I get the cold sweats feeling, and restless legs, but it's nowhere near as bad as the flu or anything like you described. I can take a hot bath to help with the pain, the cold sweats, and it also stops my legs from being restless. Tonic water can help with restless legs too. Congratulations on getting sober and well done for being brave enough to share your experiences so eloquently. I'm sure your testimony has stopped some people from trying hard drugs, God knows how many lives you've saved! You fight on the side of the Angels, more power to you!
Try weed
You're definitely having physical symptoms of opiate withdrawal. That's amazing to me that you describe it as nowhere near as bad as the flu!! Maybe if you really take it for pain, and not to get high, that psychological aspect isn't present in the withdrawal which is what makes it such a total hell.
The most minor opiate withdrawal is simply intolerable to me. I can work with a hangover; i can not work if I am having even a little opiate withdrawal. Time dilates til it feels like it has stopped, anxious, irritable, depressed, anhedonic--nothing feels worth doing, nothing will give me the slightest bit of joy or relief. 1000x worse than the flu to me, but I don't have any chronic physical pain. I took opiates because they were so profoundly relieving of psychological stress.
@@junkequationI feel exactly how you described it. Everything you said is spot on for me as well.
Subbed Your Channel, It is very interesting and beautiful :) thank you for sharing;;
Thank you so much for the love and support
I never really had to be super sick during my addiction, I feel like that might had helped me a lot. The sickest I’ve been is in jail, where there’s no chance of me getting anything to feel better.
I would explain to normies to imagine the worst flu you've ever had, imagine knowing it's going to get worse and last weeks. Now imagine knowing you can make it disappear like hitting a light switch, and then resisting hitting that switch.
Yep hes spot on. Dope sickness is the worst. But id always love going from suicidal feeling . To great .
This video is 100% accurate
Thanks!
Thank you so much Matthew!!! That means the world to me!!
Tolerance goes way down & then you get that fix & you get a buzz for the first time in awhile, otherwise it feels like your just trying to keep, from getting sick.
Wow. Never knew this.
My ex was like this when we were about to be at the block she would get the rush and feel better. Me on the other hand as soon as I had the bags my stomach would severely act up until I shot it up. Like the process of mixing up my shot my withdrawal would go into overdrive
I believe its just another way of abusing ourselves 😢
I'm exactly the opposite. After I take my meds I feel terrible waiting for it to start working. I'll start sneezing and snotting, almost like precipitated withdrawal for the next 5 minutes. I usually have to take another to psychologically trick myself into feeling it. Even with fentanyl that hits pretty quick. After it's fully in me I'm fine but it's no instant rush like most describe. It's so weird how drugs effect people differently.
You must have been taking pills? I had the exact same issues until a buddy of mine showed me how to chase the dragon with Oxiy’s. I could smoke a oxy 10 and get right immediately!!!!! Then I could go back to eating my opana 40er’s.
@@cutchdoggw1776 yeah started with Dilaudid and fentanyl when I was diagnosed with cancer. All legally prescribed. I also take chemo pills daily and that has a huge impact on how I feel. You can count every bone in your body because every single one hurts like hell. Bunch of major surgeries in my stomach area and any stomach surgery is extremely painful .
Sounds like it’s all in ur head…. Ur mind is powerful .. I’ve seen ppl think there self sick
@@davegordon6943 Hey there, RN here, the reason you didn't get the instant high is bc oral pills will never be able to do that unless you change the route you take them i.e. some can be smoked or snorted. The reason heroin is able to do that is bc it is shot intravenously into the body and that is the fastest way a medication can get into the bloodstream. Smoking, inhalation, and snorting also are incredibly fast. The longest absorption rate though is through oral pills that are swallow, not the ones held in the cheek or under the sun. We usually tell patients wait a half hour before expecting full effects, and that's when we come back to check on effectiveness to chart as well. Some people may absorb quicker but it will never be instant because of the route it needs to take to get broken down and then absorbed into the bloodstream.
@@davegordon6943 Btw if you were having stomach surgeries why the heck did they do pills for you? Shame on them. They could have easily done a fetanyl patch or even lollipop. Yes they make lollipops or used to its been years since I've had a patient on those though. I'm sorry they made you take pills when your stomach was already a source of such misery.
Relief.
cool lamp
I could never lmao. As soon as id get my shit id run to wherever i have to go to get better. I was smoking fetty and i felt like the sicker i got the more it would take to get back to baseline. Also sometimes id be so sick that i would take that first hit and i would taste it like 1000x stronger then usual because my senses are so amplified and i would immediately puke. And thats how getting better for me would be. Take a hit, puke, shake and moan, repeat process until normal again. UGH. I will NEVER put myself through that ever again!!! 31 days today!!
It lowers your tolerance that's why.
plus it saves money if u wait as long as u can to dose
You know what I’ve noticed there was times I had pills but I didn’t take them on purpose but u won’t believe the withdrawals weren’t that bad ig bc my mind knew I had them 😂😂😂
I can definitely relate. Clean from dope and coke 5 and a half years now. From TRENTON, NJ
What if you take just half of the dose when you are dope sick not the full dose, just to ease the symptoms but not get high bd continue decrease the dose day by day slowly
Quitting is for loosers😂 but for real this video was about how people are addicted to the instant gratification of not being dope sick. And how when being dope sick a normal amount will "hit harder."
Never.
How ? Why ?
K Rugzzzz would rather shart for a couple more hours
Hmm sounds like you didn't you didn't have a dope problem you just had a problem when you didnt have dope
I use to go thru the whole thing stay clean a month and then get high. I probably did that a hundred times before a spiritual awakening finally ended all that pain.
How did that happen? Interesting! Thanks
this is what a lot of people on Suboxone do. since it doesn’t get you high, they wait 2 or 3 days til withdrawal begins, then they’ll take one so they feel that relief & it acts as a high. i’ve never done it on purpose but there’s been times where the pharmacy had an issue filling my script & when i would finally get some it felt amazing. i actually hated it bc the whole point of suboxone is to avoid those ups & downs. being on Sublocade fixes the problem so that never happens
It's a crazy addiction u can feel like death yawning dribbling pissing every ten mins but once u get a couple bags in your hand u feel loads better lol whats tgst all about n I do what u talking boutvwith methadone I'd