More details: toyotagazooracing.com/pressrelease/2024/1128-01/ newsroom.toyota.eu/new-high-performance-a90-final-edition-and-upgraded-gr-supra-lightweight-evo-announced/
The good news is that there should be a lot of after market software that can get taken from the GRMN model, the e LSD programming, engine tune should all be able to be reverse engineered. I can imagine it will be like the GTS tunes on BMWs.
Quick correction but apparently North America will get their own version of the Final Edition according to Car and Driver. "UPDATE 12/3/24, 4:00 p.m.: This story has been updated with a response from a Toyota North America spokesperson. They told Car and Driver that a version of the Supra A90 Final Edition will be coming to the U.S. market, however, official details about that car will be shared at a later date."
So? BMW luxury with Toyota reliability is a win-win for me. You guys are missing out if you’re racist to German cars lol, besides if it was fully Toyota it would be much more expensive, can you even afford it or will you complain instead?
My 2021 has a little over 50k miles with catless DP, intake manifold, port injection, reflex, lpfp, hybrid turbo, lightweight wheels with 275f/305r. This would probably be more fun on a track but mine has only been once. I’m happy with my 600ish hp daily until the transmission dies. Seems like minor tweaks they have been doing since the early scion days to make it “limited”
As much as I hated the fact Toyota used a BMW power train for this car, I can't deny that the B58 seems to stand the test of time in terms of its reliance and these cars are probably going to go up in value if the Supra is discontinued again.
It definitely ended up being a net positive because when it first dropped a lot of people were not feeling any of it. It took me a couple years for the look to grow on me and the b58 has definitely started off better than the 2jz in many ways. Holding my breath for the hate comments lol
Hey this is a little off topic but how is the spool time on that daw UFX. Is it slower thank stock? I was stuck between that and the flowmax v2.5 since that one is supposed to spool really fast. I’m di only with a upgraded pump so I’ve heard you can’t really make that much more power of the UFx
Won’t be noticeable unless you are experienced with the car and drove it back to back. The b58 stock turbo spools quite a bit faster than the ones on s58 for example. I would expect turbo lag to not be of any concern until you start saturating a pure800 or something along those lines.
@@vollcare4076 In practice it does, as a larger turbo is driven from the same exhaust gasses as a smaller turbo, and needs more time to generate the same amount of boost. If this wasn't the case then turbo lag would be the same for all turbos, regardless of size. As mentioned though, it doesn't start to potentially hurt performance (on track at least where you're not at constant WOT) until you get to really big ones. The new supra will essentially come with a stage 1 tune. Looking at my own logs comparing stage 1 with the factory 700 cell vs my new 200 cell, the boost levels at certain RPMs were pretty close throughout the pull, about 100 RPM difference.
@@vollcare4076 Almost certainly the same turbo, which can support more than 430hp, so no need for them to upgrade to run those numbers. By having a less restrictive downpipe, you increase the pressure differential throughout the system, hastening spool times. But in some cases, if the back pressure is too low, the exhaust gasses can expand too quickly and cause a decrease in velocity, slowing spool times. However, it’s not really that simple because now you have to factor in air temperature, intake system, ECU parameters, and everything else. At the end of the day, the overall performance improvement from a higher flowing downpipe (assuming the current one is at its limit of airflow) is more significant than any increase in turbo lag that might arise.
Toyota has not confirmed 2025 is last year model because 2025 is out now! Maybe end of 2025 as 2026 model? The contract ends in 2026 for Supra so maybe 2027 model last year?
I heard in another video, the brakes were gonna be brembo. Don't know why when the could just use the m3/4 front brakes. Probably fake news about the brembos.
I don't understand why they are retiring the A90 already. The styling is still current, the car is in demand, the car is extremely competitive (kicking ass for the price bracket).....so why retire it already? The previous generation Supra was sold from 1993 to 2002, a total generation run of 9 years. This doesn't make sense to me, unless this has something to do with changes BMW are doing??
Check the stats again. The car is not in demand (sales drop every year) along with the BMW model cycle is typically 7 years so the Z4 will be ending soon too. It sucks but that's just how the market is.
Here is my opinion on the why they are retiring besides the BMW Z4 market. The car community was not fair with this car, the BMW hate and the shadow of the MK4 clouded all the good things this car achieved. Most influencers did zero justice to it as well to favor the psycho cult of the MK4 and toyota purist for views and likes. There is a certain you tuber who bought a crashed A90, rebuilt it and decided to part ways due to the peoples hate, another youtuber traded his GTR for a MK5 and almost got cancelled by the Toyota purists. No justice at all!!! Then on top of that all the misinformation with the car being a clone of the Z4 which it really isn't! There are chassis blueprints on the MK5 community who shows all the differences, spot welds and body structures of both chassis, only sharing the powertrain, wheelbase, suspension components on both cars have different specs, the supra having different dampening and springrates compared to the Z4 and GR software tuning.
Achievements never mentioned by the community about the A90: 7s 1/4 mile on a pretty much stock chassis soon to touch 6s PHD Racing T90 and Kyle A90 breaking records on GTA and SLB The Screen D2 A90 Supra in Japan doing 57s on Attach challenge Tsukuba with barely bolt ons and tune, this is an insanely crazy time considering Nobuemon (ESPIRIT MK4) with a modded/cut chassis is doing 55s!! on a car that has been in development for 15+years More podium finishes than the MK4 ever dreamed on due to how good the chassis is no matter what engine you put in it! GT500(R14A engine) GT300(2UR) There is a lot more that can be said regarding how reliable this car is, how easy to work on it is but time is showing, this car will become the next 350z that devalue 80% of its value in less than 10 years and exploited by most kids in the US. At this point Im considering selling my A90 and GR Corolla to get a R35 GTR to safe my investment.
@@tempeztadA90 will probably get more respect when its out of production like the MKIV did. No one gave a damn about the MKIV until The Fast and the Furious came out and it was in its last year of production when that movie came released.
its not that sports cars are doing well... these car dealers just got way too greedy! every car costs way more than its worth. even a civic hatch back in canada is like 37k.... before tax and interest like thats a rip off.
Linda expensive . It would cheaper if you tuned it yourself. Disappointed they didn’t upgrade the engine to support massive power so it could be reliable. But then it’s not available in America so who cares😂
They gonna give us the middle finger and have the GR MN name on jdm only lol. I read that these finals are actually JDM only and Europe? I hope Google AI is wrong. Ok I guess i was right, that sucks and I doubt its emissions cuz Europe is worse than the US. This is still payback from the nukes from WW2 lol.
This is a sad day but I think Toyota will be coming out with a good replacement and it seems like the EV dream world is dead in their minds for a lot of their cars. I didn't want to be that guy but I predicted the EV forced revolution would be more like the late 70s early 80s gas crisis dark days that has hurt the car companies more than the consumers so far.
@fredrickdavenport1611 I was deciding between FK8 or something else, including the Supra. It didn't make the cut because it was only offered in ZF8 back then.
@@DragpackRacing you continue to comment on videos without watching man. I thought you'd learn eventually and yet here we are yet again with you complaining about something that was discussed. You gotta get another hobby
Did toyota not learn 🤔 nobody wants this ugly car. Design is unappealing, overpriced and it's a bmw basically. So disappointing on so many levels. "Bro, it's got 3000 gigga watts hp" me: yeah, put a silk hat pig 🐖 it's still a pig. Back to the drawing board. It's so lazy. Toyota is not even trying anymore. It's the company that sells 4 door boomer sedans, slap on some gay plastic wings "Oooooo it's the gtr version" all the nerds who drools over honda civics and subaru that sounds like lawn mower. Lol, stupid.
They thought they'd sell less within the 1st and later years but well over what they expected. Plus,if we're talking over priced then honestly this would be a bargain for how much nissan asked for the new Z with it barely touching other cars in its price range while somehow gaining so much weight in the process.
More details:
toyotagazooracing.com/pressrelease/2024/1128-01/
newsroom.toyota.eu/new-high-performance-a90-final-edition-and-upgraded-gr-supra-lightweight-evo-announced/
This should help the value of the cars out there.
The good news is that there should be a lot of after market software that can get taken from the GRMN model, the e LSD programming, engine tune should all be able to be reverse engineered. I can imagine it will be like the GTS tunes on BMWs.
Already has an eLSD
Quick correction but apparently North America will get their own version of the Final Edition according to Car and Driver.
"UPDATE 12/3/24, 4:00 p.m.: This story has been updated with a response from a Toyota North America spokesperson. They told Car and Driver that a version of the Supra A90 Final Edition will be coming to the U.S. market, however, official details about that car will be shared at a later date."
Its a great day for a Supra fan.
Toyta said early on the supra would be produced for 5 years and they couldnt change their mind unless they reached a new agreement with BMW
Ah yes the GeRMaN Supra 🤣
The amount of time it took me to unlearn this 😭
🤣🤣
So? BMW luxury with Toyota reliability is a win-win for me. You guys are missing out if you’re racist to German cars lol, besides if it was fully Toyota it would be much more expensive, can you even afford it or will you complain instead?
My 2021 has a little over 50k miles with catless DP, intake manifold, port injection, reflex, lpfp, hybrid turbo, lightweight wheels with 275f/305r. This would probably be more fun on a track but mine has only been once.
I’m happy with my 600ish hp daily until the transmission dies.
Seems like minor tweaks they have been doing since the early scion days to make it “limited”
As much as I hated the fact Toyota used a BMW power train for this car, I can't deny that the B58 seems to stand the test of time in terms of its reliance and these cars are probably going to go up in value if the Supra is discontinued again.
It definitely ended up being a net positive because when it first dropped a lot of people were not feeling any of it. It took me a couple years for the look to grow on me and the b58 has definitely started off better than the 2jz in many ways. Holding my breath for the hate comments lol
100k supra whoohoo
Will be interesting to see if anyone's able to extract the new ECU and diff tunes. Known factory verified tunes.
The a90 final edition looks so badass!
Car and driver confirmed we are getting our own final edition in NA
I've already done most of that to my current supra. I do want those recaros & brakes though
Dam I hoped the grmn came to usa I've been waiting to get just that 1. Dam
Hey this is a little off topic but how is the spool time on that daw UFX. Is it slower thank stock? I was stuck between that and the flowmax v2.5 since that one is supposed to spool really fast. I’m di only with a upgraded pump so I’ve heard you can’t really make that much more power of the UFx
EOP for the G29 is 3/26 (which was a slight extension) so I wonder if they’ll continue making the 2025 MY Supra through that date. We shall see…
Thats supposedly when production will end
Even the partial upgrade of the Supra has significant upgrades. It’s worth trading in my 21 for the FE. 😂
Did they fix the wind buffeting?
I don't think it can be easily fix because it's inherited from the design.
@@borderwave2 supposedly the larger spats on the wheel arch *may* help, but not likely
@@borderwave2 is a $10 fix unless you want those fancy carbon pieces
90k for an A90. Whoopi.
Plus 10k dealer markup
Curious how turbo lag / response will be affected by a downpipe with high-flow cat and higher boost?
Won’t be noticeable unless you are experienced with the car and drove it back to back. The b58 stock turbo spools quite a bit faster than the ones on s58 for example. I would expect turbo lag to not be of any concern until you start saturating a pure800 or something along those lines.
Higher Max boost doesn’t mean it has less boost at low rpm
@@vollcare4076 In practice it does, as a larger turbo is driven from the same exhaust gasses as a smaller turbo, and needs more time to generate the same amount of boost. If this wasn't the case then turbo lag would be the same for all turbos, regardless of size.
As mentioned though, it doesn't start to potentially hurt performance (on track at least where you're not at constant WOT) until you get to really big ones.
The new supra will essentially come with a stage 1 tune. Looking at my own logs comparing stage 1 with the factory 700 cell vs my new 200 cell, the boost levels at certain RPMs were pretty close throughout the pull, about 100 RPM difference.
@@aedgar is the turbo bigger on this 430 hp Supra compared to the 340/374hp version ?
I thought its same size
@@vollcare4076 Almost certainly the same turbo, which can support more than 430hp, so no need for them to upgrade to run those numbers.
By having a less restrictive downpipe, you increase the pressure differential throughout the system, hastening spool times. But in some cases, if the back pressure is too low, the exhaust gasses can expand too quickly and cause a decrease in velocity, slowing spool times.
However, it’s not really that simple because now you have to factor in air temperature, intake system, ECU parameters, and everything else. At the end of the day, the overall performance improvement from a higher flowing downpipe (assuming the current one is at its limit of airflow) is more significant than any increase in turbo lag that might arise.
The dealer markups will be *ridiculous*
I hope they put the Lexus LFA engine but upgraded version
Is it the new Gen 3 B58 or still Gen 2?
Still gen 2
Need a part number for those seats
if it wasnt my daily id agree, i had slight lower back problems with my nismo recaros in my 370z, but i had a very active lifestyle
@@charles-fq2dwI. An understand that. I haven’t put race seats in mine cause I use the heated seat. Lumber on lower bac is godly 😂
The supra we always wanted, that California never allowed us to get.
Toyota has not confirmed 2025 is last year model because 2025 is out now! Maybe end of 2025 as 2026 model? The contract ends in 2026 for Supra so maybe 2027 model last year?
Finally they will call it GERMN. 😂😂
So no MKVI with a Toyota motor?
It'd prob be a ev or using that hybrid I4T powertrain their making for later models. But realistically, if they wanted,they have the TTV6 to use also.
I come here to every thing b58
I’m just here trying to buy a 2020 model.😂
I heard in another video, the brakes were gonna be brembo. Don't know why when the could just use the m3/4 front brakes. Probably fake news about the brembos.
@@todddooley793 the brakes are already brembos. They're just using the larger 395mm setup that wasn't previously offered
@@kern417 It appears they will use the same 4 pot caliper, new mounting bracket to push it out further and a larger 2 pc rotor.
I don't understand why they are retiring the A90 already. The styling is still current, the car is in demand, the car is extremely competitive (kicking ass for the price bracket).....so why retire it already? The previous generation Supra was sold from 1993 to 2002, a total generation run of 9 years. This doesn't make sense to me, unless this has something to do with changes BMW are doing??
Check the stats again. The car is not in demand (sales drop every year) along with the BMW model cycle is typically 7 years so the Z4 will be ending soon too. It sucks but that's just how the market is.
Here is my opinion on the why they are retiring besides the BMW Z4 market. The car community was not fair with this car, the BMW hate and the shadow of the MK4 clouded all the good things this car achieved. Most influencers did zero justice to it as well to favor the psycho cult of the MK4 and toyota purist for views and likes. There is a certain you tuber who bought a crashed A90, rebuilt it and decided to part ways due to the peoples hate, another youtuber traded his GTR for a MK5 and almost got cancelled by the Toyota purists. No justice at all!!! Then on top of that all the misinformation with the car being a clone of the Z4 which it really isn't! There are chassis blueprints on the MK5 community who shows all the differences, spot welds and body structures of both chassis, only sharing the powertrain, wheelbase, suspension components on both cars have different specs, the supra having different dampening and springrates compared to the Z4 and GR software tuning.
Achievements never mentioned by the community about the A90:
7s 1/4 mile on a pretty much stock chassis soon to touch 6s
PHD Racing T90 and Kyle A90 breaking records on GTA and SLB
The Screen D2 A90 Supra in Japan doing 57s on Attach challenge Tsukuba with barely bolt ons and tune, this is an insanely crazy time considering Nobuemon (ESPIRIT MK4) with a modded/cut chassis is doing 55s!! on a car that has been in development for 15+years
More podium finishes than the MK4 ever dreamed on due to how good the chassis is no matter what engine you put in it! GT500(R14A engine) GT300(2UR)
There is a lot more that can be said regarding how reliable this car is, how easy to work on it is but time is showing, this car will become the next 350z that devalue 80% of its value in less than 10 years and exploited by most kids in the US. At this point Im considering selling my A90 and GR Corolla to get a R35 GTR to safe my investment.
My Supra value will go up. 😂 The B58 > 2JZ. 😂
@@tempeztadA90 will probably get more respect when its out of production like the MKIV did. No one gave a damn about the MKIV until The Fast and the Furious came out and it was in its last year of production when that movie came released.
Updated aero is a big LOL in a body with lots of ducts and scoops, and air-grabbers that are fake...
its not that sports cars are doing well... these car dealers just got way too greedy! every car costs way more than its worth. even
a civic hatch back in canada is like 37k.... before tax and interest like thats a rip off.
Ending production has nothing to do with the sales. They have no choice as I believe BMW is shutting down the Z4 line.
Why cry... there will be a new gen that will be all Toyota instead of this BMW partnership. 🎉🎉🎉
More than likely will be either ev or a 4 banger hybrid. Rather have this than either of those options tbh.
Linda expensive . It would cheaper if you tuned it yourself. Disappointed they didn’t upgrade the engine to support massive power so it could be reliable. But then it’s not available in America so who cares😂
They gonna give us the middle finger and have the GR MN name on jdm only lol. I read that these finals are actually JDM only and Europe? I hope Google AI is wrong.
Ok I guess i was right, that sucks and I doubt its emissions cuz Europe is worse than the US. This is still payback from the nukes from WW2 lol.
This is a sad day but I think Toyota will be coming out with a good replacement and it seems like the EV dream world is dead in their minds for a lot of their cars. I didn't want to be that guy but I predicted the EV forced revolution would be more like the late 70s early 80s gas crisis dark days that has hurt the car companies more than the consumers so far.
Bastard emissions!!!
Imagine S58 in this thing
yup you will have to imagine it because it isnt going to be in the car. Jost a B58B30O1 with a tune!
@fredrickdavenport1611 I was deciding between FK8 or something else, including the Supra. It didn't make the cut because it was only offered in ZF8 back then.
Will be better if the aftermarket developed a S58 swap kit for the A90/G42/G20 platforms
It doesn’t matter USA doesn’t get either one of these models.. why isn’t he saying that at all sorry people your not getting one
@@DragpackRacing you continue to comment on videos without watching man. I thought you'd learn eventually and yet here we are yet again with you complaining about something that was discussed. You gotta get another hobby
@ sorry if you did say it then I didn’t hear it at all enless it was at the end cause I stopped watching
He said it at 9:30
@@kern417obviously this guy doesn’t like you personally and to be honest, it’s sickening.
@@pleaseletitgo1818 wish i knew why lol
Did toyota not learn 🤔 nobody wants this ugly car. Design is unappealing, overpriced and it's a bmw basically. So disappointing on so many levels.
"Bro, it's got 3000 gigga watts hp" me: yeah, put a silk hat pig 🐖 it's still a pig.
Back to the drawing board. It's so lazy. Toyota is not even trying anymore. It's the company that sells 4 door boomer sedans, slap on some gay plastic wings "Oooooo it's the gtr version" all the nerds who drools over honda civics and subaru that sounds like lawn mower. Lol, stupid.
They thought they'd sell less within the 1st and later years but well over what they expected. Plus,if we're talking over priced then honestly this would be a bargain for how much nissan asked for the new Z with it barely touching other cars in its price range while somehow gaining so much weight in the process.