This is helpful given I've been tasked with 14 hrs driving and 2 hours working 2-3 times a week then required to return back to work within 6-8 hours of being off duty, all under the quise of "short haul exemption" without timecards being used. Thanks for the video, time to set some boundaries.
Thanks for the lesson. I'm finally using the short-haul exemption as of today since I'm home every day for the most part and stay close to home. It felt so good not dealing with the ELD today because at times since the last couple of updates has been acting goofy and wasting my time having to keep editing things because of its inaccuracy. I just wish we were able to have a split Sleeper Berth option with the short haul.
Thank you so much. I’m a local driver and thought I knew all the current regulations, but I see I didn’t. I haven’t ever kept a time card and never been asked for one. I started running interstate, thankfully still with 150 air mile radius, but need to keep all my stuff right and lawful bc NC DOT don’t play. Just started my IFTA account 2 weeks ago and already got an entry level audit. Thanks again. New sub and will be visiting website
Again, great videos! Got a question: Starting at 3:15 on the video you state, "[A]nd lastly short-haul drivers are exempt from the 30-minute break requirement which is part of the substantive hours of service restrictions along with things like the 11 hour, 14 hour and the 60/70 hour rules." Are you saying that if drivers are following the requirements of the Short Haul Exemption, they do not have to follow the 60/70 rule, as well? My understanding is that they are exempt from the 60/70 hour rules, correct? Thank you.
Thanks for watching! No, short haul drivers are still technically subject to the 60/70 hr rule, though it’s really difficult for law enforcement to enforce since all we have for these drivers are time cards, which don’t have to be kept in the trucks.
What if the driver did not get his/her 10 hours off duty before starting a new work shift? Does he/she has to submit a daily DOT log sheet on those days where they didn't get at least 10 hours off? Great Video and thanks for sharing!
Great video! Question, do I need to register my company as a short haul less than 150 miles. or can I just stop using ELD since I dont travel more than 150 air miles?
Can you please let me know whether a driver needs to be ELD compliant for a run that's around 140 miles within the state of Florida. We are a carrier company based out of Illinois, and this driver has a CDL from the state of Georgia.He would do these frequently, it's a dedicated run.
Very Helpful Video! I'm a construction contractor and I haul my excavator and track steer equipment to projects and use them during the day and then load up the equipment onto the trailers and haul them back to my yard. My jobs are within 100 miles of my yard. I am self employed and I have no employees. Do I need to keep logs at all? Do I even need to keep a time card for myself? After watching this, I feel I'm definitely in the short-haul category. I would feel silly keeping a timecard for myself.
Can you use splits with short haul? We run hazmat delivery locally, 8-10hr days, start and finish at our terminal. However, rotate a weekly on-call schedule that runs up to midnight. In other words, you could finish up an 8hr day at 4-5pm and still be pulled back on duty within 8hrs. I'm thinking this is not legit unless you could use a 8/2 or 7/3 split otherwise the 14 runs out by 10/11pm.
What if your work is normally within 150 air mile radius. Except part of the year your local work slows down can you switch between using an eld part of the year and 150 air mile radius part of the year?
What if I'm cdl class a and will travel in only Florida and travel 270 miles from our yard driving pickup truck with 40 foot goose neck trailer. Will I need any log book?
I have a question about this. I'm running with a company with ELDs and was asked to work short haul in the Phoenix area with another company. I understand for short haul i run a paper log with hours on duty or a time card. How do the two companies sink the two different logs together or in other words how would a DOT officer know what I have done in a given week for both companies? Thanks
Urgent Question: One of our employees came in saying that he does not need to take a 30 min lunch if he doesn't work more than 8 hours because he stays within a 150 min range. Is this true??
What if i end up working 9 hrs do i have to take a 30 min lunch? I qualify for short haul exemption in every other way just time on the clock varies from day to day
So what if a company runs both sleeper and daycab trucks and only operates intrastate, the sleeper guys stays out all week while the daycab guys go home everyday. Does the break times differ from the two?
I do not qualify for short haul local FedEx work. Although, I ONLY work in city. My concern is the TRAILER INSPECTIONS. How do I log: 12-15 trailer inspections On-Duty Not Driving??? The ELD documentations are killing me. I think DOT believes I am climbing around under each trailer with a 15 minute inspection for at least 3 hours per night.
I have started but still confused. I installed the ELD so my concern is how would I log? If I log my time from home to the shipper, how would I log when I’m within the 150 air miles radius being that it’s exempt, when it’s in driving status? Would driving those exempt miles take away from my 14 hours for that day?
If you qualify for the short haul exemption, you’re technically exempt from the ELD requirement. You can use it voluntarily if you want but we recommend you put an annotation on your log each day that says your are short haul exempt. I believe some ELDs have a short haul exemption setting. The 14 hours under the short haul exemption starts when you start working. In your example, that would include driving from your home to the shipper.
@@Trucksafe So where would the driver add the annotation? Off-Duty > Personal Coveyance? Then input your annotation, and then just start driving? What about at the end of our shift.. Do we go back into Personal Conveyance, stop it from running. Then click on "Off-duty" and call it a day? Or would we need to annotate "End of Shift" somewhere, before selecting "off-duty" for the day.
Question I’m a local drive I drive from La to Las Vegas if I drive there and finish my 11 hours on the way backcan i continue driving if I know I’m make it to the yard before my 14hrs duty shift is done ? Or do I have to pull up and stop ?
L.A to Vegas is about 270 miles! That's beyond Short-Haul exemption. Looks like you're going to have to follow FMCSA HOS regulations. Can't drive past 11 hours, and cannot be "On-Duty" past 14 hours. If you had planned this route early on, you could have used the 8-2 or 3-7 split, and make it back without possibly incurring any violations or... If you you were driving, and notice that you are on your 11th hour, I'd suggest pulling over somewhere quick; truck stop, rest area, and put in your 10 hour off-duty/sleeper birth break, before incurring a violation to you or your carrier.
Yes, you are technically still subject to the underlying HOS limits (except the 30 min rest break). That said, without logs, it’s difficult for anyone to tell how many hours you’ve actually driven.
Excellent explanation. My company runs Amazon parcels out of Oklahoma City using a box truck rated 26,000 GVWR, and 90% of our deliveries stay in the state of Oklahoma. Occasionally we cross into Texas, and Kansas. Even then, most of those over the border towns are still within 150 miles of our home base operations. But maybe 1-2 times a week I will exceed the 150 miles delivering parcels and I always use an electronic log to change my duty status throughout the day. Am I in compliance? I think so. So why did I get these violations. 395.22H2, 395.22H4, 395.24D.
Thanks for watching! In your example, as long as you don't exceed the 150-mile radius more than 8 times in a 30-day period, you technically don't even need to use an ELD on the days you exceed the radius. You could instead use paper logs. But, I know many carriers and drivers voluntarily use ELDs in those cases to be safe. The violations you listed are ELD-related (e.g., not having an ELD instruction sheet, not having a supply of blank paper logs, and not transferring electronic logs). In your situation, I would argue that the violations are incorrect because you weren't required to use an ELD in the first instance since you were exempt. However, I have seen similar violations in situations where drivers and carriers voluntarily use ELDs. The best you or your carrier can do is file a DataQ appeal of the violations to try and get them removed. Hope that helps!
@@Trucksafe Kinda falls back on that old DOT rule about lights: Every light on the truck has to work, even if it isn't a required light. Apply this to the ELD, and... yep. That's how the DOT man thinks. Point is: NEVER install more equipment than is absolutely necessary to remain compliant and do your job safely.
All hours of driving, and staying within the 150 mile radius are being followed. The question is if drivers are transporting 1,500 to 30,000 lbs of fuel either with 1203 or 1863 placards. Can they take advantage of the Driver's Log exemption?
I have dumptrucks and semis. My dumps work 12-14 hrs per day and are legal according to the USDOT because they are an hourly employee. But my semi drivers that haul barrier wall to these same job sites my dump trucks are working on and have to follow the 14 hr rule is that correct? If so why is that?
Under the federal rules, both groups of drivers would be subject to the substantive HOS rules, including the 14-hour rule (i.e. can’t drive after the 14th hour).
Thank you sooo much for that full simple but detailed explanation of who qualifies for the short haul exception HOS rules. I am a local driver with a 40mile radius driving daily M-F 12max a day and I clock in and out daily. Can I just carry a copy of my time clock in n out from my company? It also shows hours worked for the day.
Thanks for watching! If you qualify for the short haul exemption, the regs don’t require you to carry any hours-related paperwork with you in the truck. They just require your carrier to keep the time records at its principle place of business.
@@Trucksafe Got it. One last question if I may. So let’s say I’m driving through some DOT Scales and they pull me in, and I’m certain I drive only within the 150 air radius mile. And CHP Ask for my e-log book or electronic log What do I tell them and how can I prove it to them I’m within the 150mile radius??
You don’t have a regulatory obligation to prove to them that you’re within the radius. They’ll usually ask you where you started and where you’re going and that should be the end of it.
Correct but there’s also an hours component to the short haul exemption. You can’t exceed 14 hours of working between each 10 hour off duty break under that exemption.
I got a question and hopefully somebody in this comments section can my shop is on Turkey Creek road in plant City how far can I drive before the 150 Air Miles rule and I'm a local? And I deliver propane hazmat
I got another question I work within 150 Air Miles delivering propane can my job take 30 minutes from me for break time and do they got to pay me those 30?..
Still get confused when it comes to 150 air mile radius ,,so i have a trip from Cleveland oh to Detroit Mi ,and that's about 170 land miles ,is that still under 150 miles rule? Thanks in advance.
That’s true…and a good point in this example. If the 170 miles is accounting for the trip around Lake Erie, then he’d probably still be okay. I find it’s easiest to use the straight line distance calculator on the desktop version of Google maps to draw a straight line out from the starting point. Thanks for watching!
To anyone watching this video I need help with something. I work for a company in Colorado and I have a very set schedule of four days a week with 13 hour shifts. This is CDL class B with P endorsement.All of my runs are within state and within 60 miles. I am not paid overtime due to some very vague law. A small percentage of the company does charters that go out of state but in general we are all put under the umbrella of this weird federal DOT law. I do not understand. We use a weird app (SAPSERA) I’ve talked to other drivers that have had the same schedule for 5+ years that have never crossed state lines and do not receive or get paid overtime. How is this even legal?
And an FYI I have to keep the schedule and brakes are included but as the state grows in population traffic is measurably worse month by month and my brakes are burned up I am behind the wheel for literally 11+ hours out of the 13 hour day.
Question .. So if I'm local and only drive in 50mile radius of my work .. Can I have a work day of 12hrs a day .. but only frive 4 hours a day .. and do that everyday on a week .. which would be 84 hours a week .. Is that allowed? as long as my company saves my time log .. and my driving log .. It is not local .. it's mostly driving in the airport .. so it's only 10minutes drive usually and only 10 stops a day .. but since it's the airport .. the time on waiting goes up to 8 hours if it's so busy ..
@@Trucksafe so I don't have to do the 60/70 hours ... and for sure if you add all the driving for a week .. it's probably not even more than 30 hours in 7 days ... and can I do 14 hours everyday? with no day off? Thanks
The short haul exemption that we’re discussing is just an exemption from the ELD/logging requirement and the 30-minute test break requirement. So you are still subject to the 11-hour driving limit and the 60/70 hour rule. So I’m your example it sounds like the 60/70 hour rule would be the biggest problem, but remember that rule just prohibits you from driving a CMV after accumulating 70 hrs in 8 days. It doesn’t prohibit you from continuing to do non-driving work beyond that time limit.
This job that I want to go in .. is pay per hour .. so as long as I don't drive past 11 hours a day, and not past 60 in 7 days? I should be okay to get payed 80 90 or even 100 hrs?
True, but they actually have their own specific exemption called the driver salesperson exemption. The short haul exemption is a little broader. A lot of last mile delivery drivers qualify (e.g. Amazon, UPS, etc)
So when you read the FMCSA quickly on the 150 mi short-haul it says you can work up to 14 hours it doesn't specify if you can drive or not 14 hours it just says work. I've been saying this for 20 years it should just be 14 hours and it will alleviate a lot of bullshit. 14 hours on duty that includes driving and 10 hours off
Agree, but keep in mind that short-haul drivers are still subject to the 11-hr driving limit, so the most they can drive a CMV during those 14 hrs is 11 hrs.
Understood so the drive time is then based on an honor system?...if lets say DOT pulls a driver over or he or she have an accident when they are lets say at their 12hrs since they punched in their time card in the morning and are not running ELDs or paper logs because they are exempt from having them could the driver when asked how long he or she has been actually driving"theoretically" say he was held up at loading and has only been driving 9hrs?
@@Trucksafe we use a time clock, they automatically subtract 30 min for a lunch break after 6hrs. Trying to figure out if the 30 min counts towards the 70. Say I clock in a 4PM and click it out 4am, its 12hrs but only get paid for 11.5 Worked 6 4p to 4a. Comes out to 69 working hours. They said I went over 70 because I didn't add the 3hrs from my lunch
Great video , So if I m a local driver and happend to drive over 150 miles ,I should have a paper log, if i get pulled over by DOT ,will i have to show them the Logbook for that specific day?how to prove that i did not excess more the 8 trips a month ,,knowing that time cards always keept at the office ? Thanks in advance.
Hello! Yes, you should have a paper log on days that you go beyond the 150 air mile radius and would have to show that log during a roadside inspection. As a practical matter, it’s difficult for officers to know whether or not you have exceeded the scope of the exemption more than 8 times in a 30 day period, so it’s more likely to come up in the context of a carrier audit than roadside.
I believe also that if you did get pulled over for a roadside inspection, the safety inspector would want to see current, and 24/hrs - previous 7 days of logs.
This is helpful given I've been tasked with 14 hrs driving and 2 hours working 2-3 times a week then required to return back to work within 6-8 hours of being off duty, all under the quise of "short haul exemption" without timecards being used. Thanks for the video, time to set some boundaries.
Thanks for the lesson. I'm finally using the short-haul exemption as of today since I'm home every day for the most part and stay close to home. It felt so good not dealing with the ELD today because at times since the last couple of updates has been acting goofy and wasting my time having to keep editing things because of its inaccuracy. I just wish we were able to have a split Sleeper Berth option with the short haul.
Thank you for the info and no fluff ..
Thank you so much. I’m a local driver and thought I knew all the current regulations, but I see I didn’t. I haven’t ever kept a time card and never been asked for one. I started running interstate, thankfully still with 150 air mile radius, but need to keep all my stuff right and lawful bc NC DOT don’t play. Just started my IFTA account 2 weeks ago and already got an entry level audit. Thanks again. New sub and will be visiting website
Thanks for watching and good luck!
Thanks so much! I drive school bus and also long haul luxury motorcoach so I was unsure of how to log school bus hours
Well explained. Thank you
San Diego CA
I didn’t catch you mention the 34 hr reset. I’m assuming that still applies as well then.
Again, great videos! Got a question: Starting at 3:15 on the video you state, "[A]nd lastly short-haul drivers are exempt from the 30-minute break requirement which is part of the substantive hours of service restrictions along with things like the 11 hour, 14 hour and the 60/70 hour rules." Are you saying that if drivers are following the requirements of the Short Haul Exemption, they do not have to follow the 60/70 rule, as well? My understanding is that they are exempt from the 60/70 hour rules, correct? Thank you.
Thanks for watching! No, short haul drivers are still technically subject to the 60/70 hr rule, though it’s really difficult for law enforcement to enforce since all we have for these drivers are time cards, which don’t have to be kept in the trucks.
@@Trucksafe You rock. Thanks again. I recommend these to people often.
Thank you!
What if the driver did not get his/her 10 hours off duty before starting a new work shift? Does he/she has to submit a daily DOT log sheet on those days where they didn't get at least 10 hours off? Great Video and thanks for sharing!
Yes. Thanks for watching!
Great information thank you
Great video! Question, do I need to register my company as a short haul less than 150 miles. or can I just stop using ELD since I dont travel more than 150 air miles?
Yup don't need it
Can you please let me know whether a driver needs to be ELD compliant for a run that's around 140 miles within the state of Florida. We are a carrier company based out of Illinois, and this driver has a CDL from the state of Georgia.He would do these frequently, it's a dedicated run.
Do you have to reset?
what are options to keep drivers hours of operations?
Very Helpful Video! I'm a construction contractor and I haul my excavator and track steer equipment to projects and use them during the day and then load up the equipment onto the trailers and haul them back to my yard. My jobs are within 100 miles of my yard. I am self employed and I have no employees. Do I need to keep logs at all? Do I even need to keep a time card for myself? After watching this, I feel I'm definitely in the short-haul category. I would feel silly keeping a timecard for myself.
Thanks for watching! Yep, as crazy as it sounds, you should be keeping a time card for yourself.
So as a local driver I have to show my time card?
Can you use splits with short haul? We run hazmat delivery locally, 8-10hr days, start and finish at our terminal. However, rotate a weekly on-call schedule that runs up to midnight. In other words, you could finish up an 8hr day at 4-5pm and still be pulled back on duty within 8hrs. I'm thinking this is not legit unless you could use a 8/2 or 7/3 split otherwise the 14 runs out by 10/11pm.
What if your work is normally within 150 air mile radius. Except part of the year your local work slows down can you switch between using an eld part of the year and 150 air mile radius part of the year?
Thank you
What if I'm cdl class a and will travel in only Florida and travel 270 miles from our yard driving pickup truck with 40 foot goose neck trailer. Will I need any log book?
I have a question about this. I'm running with a company with ELDs and was asked to work short haul in the Phoenix area with another company. I understand for short haul i run a paper log with hours on duty or a time card. How do the two companies sink the two different logs together or in other words how would a DOT officer know what I have done in a given week for both companies? Thanks
Urgent Question:
One of our employees came in saying that he does not need to take a 30 min lunch if he doesn't work more than 8 hours because he stays within a 150 min range.
Is this true??
If he qualifies for the short haul exemption, then that’s true for DOT purposes.
What if i end up working 9 hrs do i have to take a 30 min lunch?
I qualify for short haul exemption in every other way just time on the clock varies from day to day
If you stay within the short haul confines (time and distance), you are exempt from the 30 min rest break for DOT purposes
So do we still have to pay for eld at all and just not use it or can we just not pay at all????? Thanks in advance this was a true blessing.
If you qualify for the short haul exemption you don’t need to purchase an ELD.
So what if a company runs both sleeper and daycab trucks and only operates intrastate, the sleeper guys stays out all week while the daycab guys go home everyday. Does the break times differ from the two?
Great video! Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I do not qualify for short haul local FedEx work. Although, I ONLY work in city.
My concern is the TRAILER INSPECTIONS. How do I log: 12-15 trailer inspections On-Duty Not Driving??? The ELD documentations are killing me. I think DOT believes I am climbing around under each trailer with a 15 minute inspection for at least 3 hours per night.
I have started but still confused. I installed the ELD so my concern is how would I log? If I log my time from home to the shipper, how would I log when I’m within the 150 air miles radius being that it’s exempt, when it’s in driving status? Would driving those exempt miles take away from my 14 hours for that day?
If you qualify for the short haul exemption, you’re technically exempt from the ELD requirement. You can use it voluntarily if you want but we recommend you put an annotation on your log each day that says your are short haul exempt. I believe some ELDs have a short haul exemption setting. The 14 hours under the short haul exemption starts when you start working. In your example, that would include driving from your home to the shipper.
@@Trucksafe So where would the driver add the annotation? Off-Duty > Personal Coveyance? Then input your annotation, and then just start driving?
What about at the end of our shift.. Do we go back into Personal Conveyance, stop it from running. Then click on "Off-duty" and call it a day? Or would we need to annotate "End of Shift" somewhere, before selecting "off-duty" for the day.
Isnt exemptions 1. And 2. Mentioned at the beginning the same thing? What’s the difference?
Question I’m a local drive I drive from La to Las Vegas if I drive there and finish my 11 hours on the way backcan i continue driving if I know I’m make it to the yard before my 14hrs duty shift is done ? Or do I have to pull up and stop ?
L.A to Vegas is about 270 miles! That's beyond Short-Haul exemption. Looks like you're going to have to follow FMCSA HOS regulations. Can't drive past 11 hours, and cannot be "On-Duty" past 14 hours.
If you had planned this route early on, you could have used the 8-2 or 3-7 split, and make it back without possibly incurring any violations or... If you you were driving, and notice that you are on your 11th hour, I'd suggest pulling over somewhere quick; truck stop, rest area, and put in your 10 hour off-duty/sleeper birth break, before incurring a violation to you or your carrier.
Would I be able to use the 16-hour exception? I am driving 500 miles intra-state and returning back to my work location
One question, under the short haul exemption you are not held to the 11 hour drive time are you????
Yes, you are technically still subject to the underlying HOS limits (except the 30 min rest break). That said, without logs, it’s difficult for anyone to tell how many hours you’ve actually driven.
Hi some days I drive more than 150 miles but most days less but I have to do when I drive more than 150 air miles
Company is forcing me to break the 11 hour rule and I’m unsure what to do
Excellent explanation. My company runs Amazon parcels out of Oklahoma City using a box truck rated 26,000 GVWR, and 90% of our deliveries stay in the state of Oklahoma. Occasionally we cross into Texas, and Kansas. Even then, most of those over the border towns are still within 150 miles of our home base operations. But maybe 1-2 times a week I will exceed the 150 miles delivering parcels and I always use an electronic log to change my duty status throughout the day. Am I in compliance? I think so. So why did I get these violations. 395.22H2, 395.22H4, 395.24D.
Thanks for watching! In your example, as long as you don't exceed the 150-mile radius more than 8 times in a 30-day period, you technically don't even need to use an ELD on the days you exceed the radius. You could instead use paper logs. But, I know many carriers and drivers voluntarily use ELDs in those cases to be safe. The violations you listed are ELD-related (e.g., not having an ELD instruction sheet, not having a supply of blank paper logs, and not transferring electronic logs). In your situation, I would argue that the violations are incorrect because you weren't required to use an ELD in the first instance since you were exempt. However, I have seen similar violations in situations where drivers and carriers voluntarily use ELDs. The best you or your carrier can do is file a DataQ appeal of the violations to try and get them removed. Hope that helps!
@@Trucksafe Awesome! Thanks.
@@Trucksafe Kinda falls back on that old DOT rule about lights: Every light on the truck has to work, even if it isn't a required light. Apply this to the ELD, and... yep. That's how the DOT man thinks. Point is: NEVER install more equipment than is absolutely necessary to remain compliant and do your job safely.
does this work across state lines or is it for intrastate only? seeing mixed info out there.
Yes
@@Trucksafe yes to which, I gave two options lol. Love the channel btw. very helpful.
Works across state lines. Thanks for watching!
All hours of driving, and staying within the 150 mile radius are being followed. The question is if drivers are transporting 1,500 to 30,000 lbs of fuel either with 1203 or 1863 placards. Can they take advantage of the Driver's Log exemption?
Yes, there is no restriction on the use of the short haul exemption for hazmat drivers.
I dont understand what you meant here when you said exempt on monday but not on tuesday? @ 5:30 mark
He ment you working locally within the 150 air miles Monday but going further Tuesday I think
I have dumptrucks and semis.
My dumps work 12-14 hrs per day and are legal according to the USDOT because they are an hourly employee. But my semi drivers that haul barrier wall to these same job sites my dump trucks are working on and have to follow the 14 hr rule is that correct? If so why is that?
Under the federal rules, both groups of drivers would be subject to the substantive HOS rules, including the 14-hour rule (i.e. can’t drive after the 14th hour).
Can short haul companies still run trucks with interstate plates ?
Yes. The short haul radius doesn’t stop at state lines.
Does hazmat fuel delivery intrastate stay 150 air miles can use time sheet or have eld required..??
If you stay within the confines of the short haul exemption, you are exempt from the ELD requirement even if you haul hazmat.
Thank you sooo much for that full simple but detailed explanation of who qualifies for the short haul exception HOS rules. I am a local driver with a 40mile radius driving daily M-F 12max a day and I clock in and out daily. Can I just carry a copy of my time clock in n out from my company? It also shows hours worked for the day.
Thanks for watching! If you qualify for the short haul exemption, the regs don’t require you to carry any hours-related paperwork with you in the truck. They just require your carrier to keep the time records at its principle place of business.
@@Trucksafe Got it. One last question if I may. So let’s say I’m driving through some DOT Scales and they pull me in, and I’m certain I drive only within the 150 air radius mile. And CHP Ask for my e-log book or electronic log What do I tell them and how can I prove it to them I’m within the 150mile radius??
You don’t have a regulatory obligation to prove to them that you’re within the radius. They’ll usually ask you where you started and where you’re going and that should be the end of it.
@@Trucksafe Thank you.
So if I don’t got out of the 150 mile more than 8 times a month I wont need an ELD?
Correct but there’s also an hours component to the short haul exemption. You can’t exceed 14 hours of working between each 10 hour off duty break under that exemption.
150 air mile radius does not apply to the 16-hour short-haul Exception (it's not an Exemption)
I got a question and hopefully somebody in this comments section can my shop is on Turkey Creek road in plant City how far can I drive before the 150 Air Miles rule and I'm a local? And I deliver propane hazmat
Try this tool: www.calcmaps.com/map-radius/
I got another question I work within 150 Air Miles delivering propane can my job take 30 minutes from me for break time and do they got to pay me those 30?..
Still get confused when it comes to 150 air mile radius ,,so i have a trip from Cleveland oh to Detroit Mi ,and that's about 170 land miles ,is that still under 150 miles rule?
Thanks in advance.
150 air miles equates to 172.6 road miles, so you’d be cutting it close on that move.
That’s true…and a good point in this example. If the 170 miles is accounting for the trip around Lake Erie, then he’d probably still be okay. I find it’s easiest to use the straight line distance calculator on the desktop version of Google maps to draw a straight line out from the starting point. Thanks for watching!
Can a company have both criteria. Meaning to have OTR drivers and a SHORT HAUL driver's?
Yes
I have a question I'm running from California to Texas and Texas back to California do I need paper logs..
I'm running paper logs
If you’re regularly exceeding the 150 air-mile radius (more than 8 times in a 30 day period), you should be using an ELD to track your duty status.
@@Trucksafe
Thanks
But What if u have an older truck and your Exempt from eld can I use paper logs if I’m going pass the 150 air miles ?
Yes.
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To anyone watching this video I need help with something. I work for a company in Colorado and I have a very set schedule of four days a week with 13 hour shifts. This is CDL class B with P endorsement.All of my runs are within state and within 60 miles. I am not paid overtime due to some very vague law. A small percentage of the company does charters that go out of state but in general we are all put under the umbrella of this weird federal DOT law. I do not understand. We use a weird app (SAPSERA) I’ve talked to other drivers that have had the same schedule for 5+ years that have never crossed state lines and do not receive or get paid overtime. How is this even legal?
And an FYI I have to keep the schedule and brakes are included but as the state grows in population traffic is measurably worse month by month and my brakes are burned up I am behind the wheel for literally 11+ hours out of the 13 hour day.
Question .. So if I'm local and only drive in 50mile radius of my work .. Can I have a work day of 12hrs a day .. but only frive 4 hours a day .. and do that everyday on a week .. which would be 84 hours a week .. Is that allowed? as long as my company saves my time log .. and my driving log .. It is not local .. it's mostly driving in the airport .. so it's only 10minutes drive usually and only 10 stops a day .. but since it's the airport .. the time on waiting goes up to 8 hours if it's so busy ..
Yes. As long as you work 14 or fewer hours a day and stay within a 150-mile radius, all your company needs to keep are the daily time cards.
@@Trucksafe so I don't have to do the 60/70 hours ...
and for sure if you add all the driving for a week .. it's probably not even more than 30 hours in 7 days ... and can I do 14 hours everyday? with no day off? Thanks
The short haul exemption that we’re discussing is just an exemption from the ELD/logging requirement and the 30-minute test break requirement. So you are still subject to the 11-hour driving limit and the 60/70 hour rule. So I’m your example it sounds like the 60/70 hour rule would be the biggest problem, but remember that rule just prohibits you from driving a CMV after accumulating 70 hrs in 8 days. It doesn’t prohibit you from continuing to do non-driving work beyond that time limit.
@@Trucksafe Thanks so .. basically I can have 100 hours work payed .. but 60 hours driving in 7 days?
This job that I want to go in .. is pay per hour .. so as long as I don't drive past 11 hours a day, and not past 60 in 7 days? I should be okay to get payed 80 90 or even 100 hrs?
so basically local beverage truck drivers like cola and pepsi can be exempt, right?
True, but they actually have their own specific exemption called the driver salesperson exemption. The short haul exemption is a little broader. A lot of last mile delivery drivers qualify (e.g. Amazon, UPS, etc)
@@Trucksafe thanks for clearing that up. i work at 7up so i was curious.
So in actually how many hours can you really drive??
Interstate drivers are limited to 11 hrs of drive time per duty shift.
So when you read the FMCSA quickly on the 150 mi short-haul it says you can work up to 14 hours it doesn't specify if you can drive or not 14 hours it just says work.
I've been saying this for 20 years it should just be 14 hours and it will alleviate a lot of bullshit. 14 hours on duty that includes driving and 10 hours off
Agree, but keep in mind that short-haul drivers are still subject to the 11-hr driving limit, so the most they can drive a CMV during those 14 hrs is 11 hrs.
Understood so the drive time is then based on an honor system?...if lets say DOT pulls a driver over or he or she have an accident when they are lets say at their 12hrs since they punched in their time card in the morning and are not running ELDs or paper logs because they are exempt from having them could the driver when asked how long he or she has been actually driving"theoretically" say he was held up at loading and has only been driving 9hrs?
Correct. Very difficult to enforce.
WHY ARE SH DRIVERS NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE A 30MIN BREAK ? THANKS.
Short haul cdl driver still restricted to 70hrs?
Yes, short-haul drivers are still subject to the substantive HOS limits including the 60/70 hour rule.
@@Trucksafe we use a time clock, they automatically subtract 30 min for a lunch break after 6hrs. Trying to figure out if the 30 min counts towards the 70. Say I clock in a 4PM and click it out 4am, its 12hrs but only get paid for 11.5
Worked 6 4p to 4a. Comes out to 69 working hours. They said I went over 70 because I didn't add the 3hrs from my lunch
Only on-duty and driving time counts against your 70-hour clock, so assuming your lunch breaks are off duty, they wouldn’t count.
That said, the interim off duty periods do count against your 14 hour driving window/short haul limit.
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Great video ,
So if I m a local driver and happend to drive over 150 miles ,I should have a paper log, if i get pulled over by DOT ,will i have to show them the Logbook for that specific day?how to prove that i did not excess more the 8 trips a month ,,knowing that time cards always keept at the office ?
Thanks in advance.
Hello! Yes, you should have a paper log on days that you go beyond the 150 air mile radius and would have to show that log during a roadside inspection. As a practical matter, it’s difficult for officers to know whether or not you have exceeded the scope of the exemption more than 8 times in a 30 day period, so it’s more likely to come up in the context of a carrier audit than roadside.
@@Trucksafe thanks a lot.
I believe also that if you did get pulled over for a roadside inspection, the safety inspector would want to see current, and 24/hrs - previous 7 days of logs.