Even though the intro and b rolls make the path look wet, we waited for the place to dry, so it wasn’t totally wet. Charger shockingly had great grip in most races. Even if it was a dry weather, in my opinion the result would have been the same. Cheers
Good times once again Sam - thanks for the roll race salvation there. Appreciate the invitation and to Xavier for a chance to hang with the big dogs, my ears still hurt. Hope you all enjoy this one.
The second race was in sport but it reads “normal mode 2nd run” on the screen. ( not being a dickweed, at all, love this channel. Just letting you know bcuz you have a formula that is much appreciated and cuts to the chase , no pun intended ).
@@Gtownkeyz Infiniti will never put V8's in Sedans. I think a good dcct would be a huge upgrade to the Q50's shift speeds. Keep in mind the Infiniti is designed to give a luxurious ride first and perform second whereas on the Dodge its the other way around.
@@Fiq921 You are correct. They also have the same engine in the Qx80 and Nissan Armada. I was commenting in the context of the Q50 as that is what was being discussed in this video. The V8 used by Nissan/Infiniti is not designed around performance sedans as much as it is for a heavy duty suv/truck. All Japanese manufacturers focus on smaller high performance motors (V8's don't sell much in Japan) and with fuel economy and emmission standards moving up, forced induction and electrification is the answer for increasing power. Did you know that the Infiniti Q50 hybrid used to put out 360hp and over 400 lbft using a 3.5L NA engine with electric motors.
Infiniti are very nice cars, I own one. They are fantastic daily drivers and a lot of fun. However, if you want to hang with muscle cars you have to visit a tuner. The great thing is, the sky is the limit for tuning these Infiniti. I have not tuned mine yet, I enjoy it in stock form.
Thank you, atleast your honest..I say the same and infiniti fanboys get mad at me. I like speed and power but those cars are not in the same league stock..
I ran Michelin PS4 275/40 R20's in Germany. Lots of rain, but 1000% better than the Pirelli all season that came with it. They were trash. Almost disappointed it doesn't lose traction now on every turn or stop light...
@@jasonholloway2577 the Michelin PS4 has the best wet traction of any tire I have ever driven. What a difference from the stock RS A2 which are scary as hell on wet pavement.
Besides the sound which is typical for a non charger fan to comment on how about that perfect launch off the wet track while being weighted like a yacht with no tires spinning? All it takes is the right person to know how to drive these boats.
for some of you that dont know, The 392 from the factory is pretty much Tuned to its Max already when delivered. The Q50 is not, from the factory they are very under tuned and i have witnessed a Q50 do a 313 WHP dyno run, then after re tuning the computer do a 430WHP pull on just the tune alone without a singe modification which would then walk away from a scatpack thats just a fact.
That was fun, really surprised the Charger hooked up as good as it did, especially during the moist conditions. I figured the AWD would have given the Q50 even more of a launch advantage. After seeing the Q50 in manual mode, it would have been nice to explore that a little further. That last roll was incredibly close. Great video, thanks Sam, and both car owners.
I own Dodge and Infiniti. Both have held their own. Dodge is 10 years strong, and Infiniti is at 7 years now. No major issues. Both running just fine. And I have a bit of a lead foot.
Do it. I never owned a dodge before the 392 charger. But i buy a good car when i see one and research it. The charger is an incredibly comfortable car with awesome visibility and infotainment system. Air conditioned seats heated front and rears. Plus that 6.4L v8. Im sorry my neighbor just traded in their x37 for q50 and they think they're hot shit well i just got my Scatpack and its not even comparable. The infinity's always look nice but when he rips out the driveway by my house it sounds like a pos compared to a huge v8. At the least they need a full turboback exhaust and a tune possibly turbo upgrade to even sound close to as good as my STOCK charger exhaust lol plus those snappy shifts out the zf 8spd just puts the dodge in another level.
@@Yves998 put weight in the trunk. I have about 150#s of tools and other gear in my 392 6 speed Challenger and it hooks instantly and handles the crazy twisties where I live so much better.
Within 5 seconds of that great INFINITI launch , the charger had already evened out the speed and started to pull. Impressed w the rain that it handled this well. I have the wide boy. 21. 305’s all around. Sticky as hell but I still think I would spin in those conditions. Maybe not? Great vid!!!!🎯🔥
I already knew the Charger would take it. But honestly I thought the 392 would have taken it by a lot further. I'm impressed with the Q50.. I'm a G35 owner so I watched because of the infiniti but yeah! Great Race.
Charger scatpack owner here. This video put a huge smile on my face 😁🤣 I wanna know how he got it to hook so well. I would of still been at the line smoking tires 🤣🤣
@@DLP78 hahaha. Exactly, that's so funny. My friend has a RS and he keeps he can get a mod, and he will smoke.. What a joke, anybody can do a mod and get their vehicle to be faster than stock. 🤷🏽♂️
I’m sure this has been said before. But would really like to see the speeds of your cars as you race. Your channel is very entertaining and can’t wait for the next ones to roll out. Your races aren’t something you normally see. One of your most surprising races was the Honda Accord vs the Acura TLX. Was not expecting that outcome at all.
Scat Pack owner (and Q50RS fan as well) here. Sure, I expected the Mopar to take the wins in the end. Q50 obviously has a weight and AWD advantage, but still really hard to make up for a ~100 hp/torque deficit. Still, it says a lot that the Q50 kept it close throughout. It's a damn fine car! *tips a glass of scotch at the Q50
@@DevPack lmao yeah without tire up grade stock or stock and only feather the throttle out of the hole with suspension on street or use traction control. However traction control sucks which is why nobody can drive them unless you owned one for a good amount of time to learn this. Modded on the street is a joke and even with tire upgrades you need vht and prep or go to the track for traction to exists.
Most of scat owners don’t know how to hook and the guy on the left that drive every cars perfectly hooked tf out the 392 and did it on wet track 😂😂😂😂😂 He turned in to Dom Toretto.
As an owner of a 6.4 challenger but also a fan of the q50/q60 cars, Infiniti really could use a better transmission for these cars. The cars would be so much better with a DC auto or a zf 8spd, or even better, a manual. At least the aftermarket TCM tunes can improve the shifting behavior a good bit and they sure do make great power with just a few Bolton’s, tune and some E. An awd Q car would make a fantastic 4 season performance car and fun track car.
I think of it, you bring it! It takes the higher end Dodges to overtake the Q50/60. A RWD red sport should be more competitive. Once again thanks for the amazing content Sam.
That went about how I expected; the Charger is a beast in a straight line, no doubt about it. If this were an autocross, I'd expect the Q50 to be the better of the two cars. As it stands tho, I'd choose the Charger over the Q50 if I were going to buy either or.
Yee right even though the scat is way bigger as far as back seat comfort ...hell if u add new turbo down pipes and a tune it'll even beat a hellcat....but just with a tune and pipes will beat a scat any day
Lol US scat owners & daytona owners been told yall stock vs stock yall ain’t beating us 😂😂😂😂 the dude on the left knows how to race these cars and he controlled that boat how it should be controlled 😂😂😂💯💯💯💯💯 now for your suggestions yes lets slap a turbo on our scats like yall and see how fast yall wanna get gapped 😎
@@azahelcovarrubias2172 NA 3.7 will easily last beyond 200k. 3.0TT doesn't fair as much and will require much more money. It's way more complex and it's not uncommon for turbo to go at around 100k.
@@justfunstuff5418 na the 392 is faster off the line and can get the 5.0 on the 1/4mile but past that the 5.0 has a better top end in speed and would win the 1/2mile
Red sport owner here so you can call me biased. Normal mode is a waste of time in these cars. All those first 2 races did was heat soak the engine. Then they finally raced in sport plus and he didn’t manually shift... the transmission is the weakest part of this car. Manual shifting is a must if you want 7k redlines when racing.
Totally, but one of the purposes of these races (and why we do multiple) is to compare each car in their available modes and transmission configurations. If it was just to "win" then Sam's videos would be RUclips "shorts" just featuring one drive mode. The differences in races is what makes his content compelling, no?
Got to be one of the most amazing races I’ve seen. In the end of the video Sam commented that placing the Infiniti q50 in manual mode felt more power coming out of the engine. I get the same feeling with my Genesis 5.0… What’s also interesting is the 392 was slower in manual mode compared to being in Automatic. A true testament that every transmission is different. I personally would leave the 392 in Auto as well. The trans shift perfect each and every time, and the kick down is very responsive. Virtually no delay. Therefore, no need to shift manually.
Same thought here. They should have allowed the Infiniti to use a tune so the WHP was a tad closer. That big of a gap in HP and TQ tells you the story before it even started.
I would def have to say that Infinity did a great job with this car. in a matchup thats V6 vs V8, the Q50 did very well. I wonder how the charger will do against other V8's in its performance class and how the Q50 would do against other V6's in its performance class. Great video Sam!
There is a lot of engine specs differences and it was a great race,very nice Charger,,but that 3.0 liter from that Infinity is quick,comparing it to a 6.4 liter and almost 90 horsepower difference,the Infinity did a great job,,nice job from the Charger even tho it was rainy.
Reminded me of the time when I was much younger and had what I thought was a nice aftermarket sound system. I had the windows down and the music cranked, until......a van pulled along side me that had an insanely better sound system and drowned my music out entirely. 🤦♂️
@@jimwallace4164 It did sound good for sure, but not sure I would want to hear it in certain circumstances, on long road trips, etc. I think it would get tiring at times.
Some dude: Chargers/challengers are slow boats Same some dude: I want to see *insert any modern car here” vs the charger/challenger Me: so the charger/challenger is your standard for how fast any modern car is huh?
@@Al-qn3sj Okay don't ask me why I did this but looking through stock dyno, tuned dyno, and claimed gains from a tune with both it looks like a tuned Q would have around 420 whp and about 470 wheel tq. A tuned 392 would have 430-435 whp and 455 wheel tq. That's being a bit generous to the scat pack since I had to guess on the wheel numbers and used 10% drive train loss, so those numbers may be off by a few hp and tq. I feel sure the Q would win if both were tuned since it has more tq, isn't down all that much on hp, is AWD, and weighs close to 400 lbs less. I doubt it would walk the Scat though because the Scat is still up on hp and has a much better transmission.
@@GC-nd1lp Curious how you come to the conclusion that a tuned 392 would have 430-435hp at the wheels when its 485 stock at the crank. A simple 93 octane tune will add 30 hp and 30tq. So at minimum you are looking at 515hp and 505 lbft at the crank. A rwd vehicle has less drivetrain loss then a awd car. Not sure how you can add 100lbft of torque to the Q just with a tune. For the record I own a Q50S. The 392 Scat is in a different bracket then the Q.
@@Al-qn3sj Because I watched dyno videos and saw dyno sheets putting the 392 at around 410 whp stock. A tune will add 30ish horsepower at the crank, but you have to account for the drivetrain loss. Obviously AWD will have more parasitic loss but RWD is still around 15% typically, so if you take 15% off of that 30 that you gained at the crank, that will be 25 and there's your 435 whp. I took the numbers for the Q directly from AMS Performance. Their stock Red Sport went from 350 ft lbs to around 470. I don't get why you're surprised that a 3L TT v6 can make +100 ft lbs with a tune when an EcoBoost Mustang can make +75 ft lbs with just cooling mods, an intake, and a tune.
@@GC-nd1lp All dynos are different so you can only compare dyno numbers if both cars were measured on the same dyno. Qurstion for you, are the AMS numbers tune only or mods with a tune? If you include mods it changes everything. Bottom line the 85 hp and 75lbft stock is too much to make up with just a tune. Only way for big gains are mods. But then you have to look at Scat pack mods too.
The transmission makes the biggest difference. My 496 big block smashes the output of the 392, but 8 gears vs my 4 gears. I get what you are saying though 💯
@@CEDRICnissan I don't really think so. The AWD was likely the reason why the Q competed at all here - my opinion backed with absolutely zero experience in the RWD version. The transmission shifts quick under heavy acceleration as Sam commented during his salvation roll race. But after some passenger seat time in the C43 AMG that was there you really start to realize how the Infiniti transmission really holds back the capability of the VR30.
Yes, the driver is always the wild card. The driver(s) present the most variables when in similar conditions as evidenced by my botched roll race and Sam's follow up salvation roll race!
the Q50 7 speed may be old but it transforms into a monster in manual mode. I own a 3.7 and the difference between shifts is abysmal in auto vs manual. they just did manual mode on the 50 roll, should've done a dig in manual. great races tho!
The Q50 driver in the Charger shifted the gears too early in the sport mode rolling race... so it gives you illusion that the Q50RS is much much faster in manual shift mode when in fact it's not quite so. It doesn't look like the driver in the Charger knows the car inside out.. If both drivers raced equally skillfully and talentfully then the difference in that race would've been much larger....
Damn this turned out even better than I thought those drone shots offer unique angles on our cars we don't often get to see. Que fiddy looking, sounding lovely. 🎉🔥🔥🔥
I’m not surprised the Q50 was right on it. Those things do not joke around. Great race. Both cars weigh into the 4,000 lbs category. Q50 Red Sport is 4,000 lbs flat Charger Scatty (Fatty) Pack weighs 4,400-4,500 lbs. Charger has close to 100 more HP
Scat hook well maybe not in the rain with stock tires but do hook so I imagine he was feathering it and had some decent tires for the stock rim that are rated for dry wet use. I run the continental extreme sport DW for my hellcat and they do pretty well in 500hp mode when wet but not 700 plus shit it barely hooks when it’s dry but it does hook. stock perrelli suck in every mode and condition shit I’m surprised they haven’t been sued. Ie the stock ones that Come with the car if you didn’t know.
I see alot of of people picking the Q50s and they're definitely fast. But the 392 better win. It's basically promoted as a drag car. So I say 392 takes it.
Likely a relatively safe and expected assessment to be honest. That fact that we're even talking about a Nissan hanging with a purpose-built-high-in-the-pecking-order-of-Dodge-Chargers is still kinda wild to me and I'm excited to see how Sam handled the cars.
@@jimwallace4164 I absolutely agree with that brother. Good point. Infiniti and Nissan are definitely coming up with some awesome performance vehicles. Even if they "aren't trying" to lol
@@cevastian3244 most ppl buy them bc of their sport capabilities though lol its a sports car………. If you dont care about fast just save coin and get a non RS.
Eventhough I expected the Scat to win, I think the 7 speed in the Q50 is a little dated when compared to the newer, faster shifting 8 speed in the Charger.
I smile when I see this shit .I jus have an ark exhaust on my Q50 redsport it’s not tuned but mines RWD I’m neck & neck with them stock scats & I’m telling u that awD is jus adding weight for him to reel u in.
@@isaacmontiel5273 red sport is 3.0 400hp AWD 4000lbs 0-60 4.5sec, 3.7 330hp RWD 3500lbs 0-60 5.2 sec, that's stock, it has intakes and full exhaust, it was just a roll I pulled up next to it on the highway put it in sport and we ran at 50 I let off at 130 and it let off about 100 it was pretty much in my blind spot the whole time it never pulled on me, was probly some old man lol, either way q50s are a beast, it's my family car only reason I have it is cuz I can't put a car seat in my 370 but I still have it wen I want to go fast
Hey, thats not “brake boosting”, thats just launch control. Brake boosting is when you’re roll racing and apply brake pressure while simultaneously applying the same amount of or more of acceleration so the engine revs and the turbos build boost.
Yo Sam…you should do the BMW 330i vs the regular Infiniti Q50 3.0T (not the red sport) Should be an interesting race. Great job on all the races though man, keep doing your thing.
@@vlz.matthewHe’s talking about the advertised power they make. Some people including myself have seen them upwards of 410-425 ish to the wheels. Not 100% accurate about this but its pretty close, they’ll probably make upwards of 500-520 ish horsepower to the crank. Weight doesn’t affect the engine and how much power it makes when ran on a dyno. Wouldn’t be surprised if I saw more in the 500 crank hp range.
@@kellyoubrejr544 if its advertised at 485 it should be making numbrs between 480-490 and nothing more on a dyno dodge clearly advertises their horsepower with measurements from the crank without adding the weight with weight they definitely make around 410-430
@@vlz.matthew That’s not how it works. Most cars make their advertised horsepower regardless of the weight. In the real world when it’s not on a dyno, yeah weight does factor in but cars are ran on a dyno where weight doesn’t matter, nor wind resistance. Scats have been seen at 410-430 *wheel horsepower*. That’s around 500-520 ish wheel horsepower. Dyno’s typically read wheel horsepower and not actual crank horsepower. Could be wrong but I know most do. Same thing with RT’s, they’ve been estimated at around 320-330 ish horsepower at the wheel which is around 400-410 at the crank. I can name plenty more examples. 720s is a perfect example, that’s why it stomped all its competition.
Expected........add a JB1 or JB4 and the Q50 is putting down 400 to the wheels. My stock 2016 RS runs a 12.3 with a JB4 running map 2. My son's AMS tuned ($1600) 2016 Q50 Sport runs 11.6.
Even though the intro and b rolls make the path look wet, we waited for the place to dry, so it wasn’t totally wet. Charger shockingly had great grip in most races. Even if it was a dry weather, in my opinion the result would have been the same. Cheers
Good times once again Sam - thanks for the roll race salvation there. Appreciate the invitation and to Xavier for a chance to hang with the big dogs, my ears still hurt. Hope you all enjoy this one.
The second race was in sport but it reads “normal mode 2nd run” on the screen. ( not being a dickweed, at all, love this channel. Just letting you know bcuz you have a formula that is much appreciated and cuts to the chase , no pun intended ).
M340i vs scatpack it’s gonna be closer than you think and you should do a traverse vs the telluride the fwd traverse is no joke
@@layne4376 that’s why I’m saying it would be a good race
Those 40 to 50 rolls are the chargers sweet spot👌
As an Infiniti Q50 owner I’m not mad, I knew the 392 would take it from a roll but I was actually impressed with how close the q50 was on the dig.
same I got a rs 7k difference in price tho
My RS has beaten plenty of RTs and 392s, lol
@@Gtownkeyz Infiniti will never put V8's in Sedans. I think a good dcct would be a huge upgrade to the Q50's shift speeds. Keep in mind the Infiniti is designed to give a luxurious ride first and perform second whereas on the Dodge its the other way around.
@@Al-qn3sj There’s a V8 in the q70 😂
@@Fiq921 You are correct. They also have the same engine in the Qx80 and Nissan Armada. I was commenting in the context of the Q50 as that is what was being discussed in this video. The V8 used by Nissan/Infiniti is not designed around performance sedans as much as it is for a heavy duty suv/truck. All Japanese manufacturers focus on smaller high performance motors (V8's don't sell much in Japan) and with fuel economy and emmission standards moving up, forced induction and electrification is the answer for increasing power. Did you know that the Infiniti Q50 hybrid used to put out 360hp and over 400 lbft using a 3.5L NA engine with electric motors.
Infiniti are very nice cars, I own one. They are fantastic daily drivers and a lot of fun. However, if you want to hang with muscle cars you have to visit a tuner. The great thing is, the sky is the limit for tuning these Infiniti. I have not tuned mine yet, I enjoy it in stock form.
Hell yeah!
Boring
Thank you, atleast your honest..I say the same and infiniti fanboys get mad at me. I like speed and power but those cars are not in the same league stock..
After tuning the scat pack is not in our league anymore barely won lol
@@LOGICAL-JAY smokin that scat pack lol
I can’t believe how well the charger hooked up in the wet!! Impressive. I have to check those tires out.
What kind of tires does it have on
I ran Michelin PS4 275/40 R20's in Germany. Lots of rain, but 1000% better than the Pirelli all season that came with it. They were trash. Almost disappointed it doesn't lose traction now on every turn or stop light...
@@jasonholloway2577 It’s like they want it to break traction they put the skinniest tires on them stock lol
@@jasonholloway2577 the Michelin PS4 has the best wet traction of any tire I have ever driven. What a difference from the stock RS A2 which are scary as hell on wet pavement.
If it had been dry the Q50 would of hooked quicker and jumped further trust me
not even a charger fan but that thing sounds great!! q50 held its own for sure though
Besides the sound which is typical for a non charger fan to comment on how about that perfect launch off the wet track while being weighted like a yacht with no tires spinning? All it takes is the right person to know how to drive these boats.
I agree with you 100%!
I wouldn't say the Q50 held it's own lol it's racing a rwd drive car on a wet road lol and got reeled it each time. Both nice cars tho
@@J_GoldieLoc Exactly. I am glad the Charger 392 won. I cannot stand Nissan and Honda drivers.
@@mackfar27 lol I’m right with you on that 😂😂😂😂💯💯
for some of you that dont know, The 392 from the factory is pretty much Tuned to its Max already when delivered. The Q50 is not, from the factory they are very under tuned and i have witnessed a Q50 do a 313 WHP dyno run, then after re tuning the computer do a 430WHP pull on just the tune alone without a singe modification which would then walk away from a scatpack thats just a fact.
Very good race. I love those 392. However the infinity is definitely cool
I feel like all Chargers should be evenly distributed across Earth's landmass so as not to throw off its rotation
Lol
That infinity too slow
@@julyfishy392 infinity takes forever. Infinitis are pretty quick though
American muscle and straight line …. What else were we expecting
@@Mr.Helper. frl 😂😂
That was fun, really surprised the Charger hooked up as good as it did, especially during the moist conditions. I figured the AWD would have given the Q50 even more of a launch advantage. After seeing the Q50 in manual mode, it would have been nice to explore that a little further. That last roll was incredibly close. Great video, thanks Sam, and both car owners.
The Q50 performed quite well and pulled hard out of launch. It just wasn't enough to beat the raw power and well sorted nature of that charger.
Look @ the raw power 50 lbs feet of torque..
My Q50rs is so much faster in manual mode. Should've launched them both that way
@@67fb916 50% of the time I’m driving my q50 in Manuel mode lmao
@@ccenda3109 the paddle shifters are so much fun too! 👌 q50 RS 400
I own Dodge and Infiniti. Both have held their own. Dodge is 10 years strong, and Infiniti is at 7 years now. No major issues. Both running just fine. And I have a bit of a lead foot.
Thumbs up to my fellow 392 owner. Wet roads = no grip, but that rolling start though.
He hooked that shit perfect
From a scat owner, 30 rolls are amazing wet or dry.
@@worldwaryou. 40*
And these chargers still age well
The 392 engine is amazing. I’m not even much of a dodge fan either but it sure makes me want to get one as a daily.
You’d love it
Do it. I never owned a dodge before the 392 charger. But i buy a good car when i see one and research it. The charger is an incredibly comfortable car with awesome visibility and infotainment system. Air conditioned seats heated front and rears. Plus that 6.4L v8. Im sorry my neighbor just traded in their x37 for q50 and they think they're hot shit well i just got my Scatpack and its not even comparable. The infinity's always look nice but when he rips out the driveway by my house it sounds like a pos compared to a huge v8. At the least they need a full turboback exhaust and a tune possibly turbo upgrade to even sound close to as good as my STOCK charger exhaust lol plus those snappy shifts out the zf 8spd just puts the dodge in another level.
392’s need to come with 315’s from factory, I’m actually surprised the charger hooked!
Yeah I absolutely hate how my old non widebody launches.
And better tires
@@Yves998 Just put wide rims that can fit 305s or 315s! Easy fix
Yes those 275s are to small for the 392. Yeah 305, 315 are way better. I have 315s on my scat pack
@@Yves998 put weight in the trunk. I have about 150#s of tools and other gear in my 392 6 speed Challenger and it hooks instantly and handles the crazy twisties where I live so much better.
Very entertaining races. Those Chargers always sound so good.
One of the reasons why I'm choosing the charger 392 over the other muscles 💪
@@killerb5305 mustang sounds better
@@killerb5305 good luck lol I would rather choose a Chevy Camaro lol more reliable
@@AmericanMuscle323 120k miles on my charger still going strong
"It's a little wet." You can literally see the reflections of the cars on the ground 😂
Within 5 seconds of that great INFINITI launch , the charger had already evened out the speed and started to pull. Impressed w the rain that it handled this well. I have the wide boy. 21. 305’s all around. Sticky as hell but I still think I would spin in those conditions. Maybe not? Great vid!!!!🎯🔥
Respect y’all did this on the track in a controlled environment compared to those other foolish highway videos 💯
I already knew the Charger would take it. But honestly I thought the 392 would have taken it by a lot further. I'm impressed with the Q50.. I'm a G35 owner so I watched because of the infiniti but yeah! Great Race.
That’s them twin turbos for you that help them not get beat by a scat by a lot.
I have g37s I can beat a scat off a dig and keep pretty level from a roll
@@darryltaylor8708 yeah G’s are pretty fast I have one too
@@darryltaylor8708 Same
@@J_GoldieLoc no bro lol the 3.7 holds up ALOT better then the 3.0t especially top end lol
As a fellow boat owner, this video made me smile! Thanks!
Same here,,, I own a challenger scatpack widebody.. and infinity owners are always daydreaming their car is faster.. lmao. MOPAR BABY!!!
Same here! 🤣😅😂
@@frostbitedos Their usual counter is "if I mod my q50...."
Well, then we mod our Mopar for Mo'Power!!! Game over!
Charger scatpack owner here. This video put a huge smile on my face 😁🤣 I wanna know how he got it to hook so well. I would of still been at the line smoking tires 🤣🤣
@@DLP78 hahaha. Exactly, that's so funny. My friend has a RS and he keeps he can get a mod, and he will smoke.. What a joke, anybody can do a mod and get their vehicle to be faster than stock. 🤷🏽♂️
I’m sure this has been said before. But would really like to see the speeds of your cars as you race. Your channel is very entertaining and can’t wait for the next ones to roll out. Your races aren’t something you normally see. One of your most surprising races was the Honda Accord vs the Acura TLX. Was not expecting that outcome at all.
4:42 it sounds like he was about to say come on Kia then had to quickly remember what car you were in 😄
K5 GT or Stinger on the 🧠
Haha I thought the exact same thing
no.
Loool
Scat Pack owner (and Q50RS fan as well) here.
Sure, I expected the Mopar to take the wins in the end. Q50 obviously has a weight and AWD advantage, but still really hard to make up for a ~100 hp/torque deficit.
Still, it says a lot that the Q50 kept it close throughout. It's a damn fine car! *tips a glass of scotch at the Q50
Nothing some downpipes, upgraded turbos, full cat back exhaust, tune, and some E85 wouldn't remedy.
@@donnieengle1213 because it has to be modded to beat it😂
All that's needed on the Q is tune to suck the headlights outta that scat
@@donnieengle1213 Yeah just $10,000 extra to beat it. I have a q50s red sport, and the upgraded turbos alone are $6000CAD.
@@thisGuy481 I have one two got stage 2 turbos for $4k.
Thats the thing with heavy cars like Chargers. If they can hook on launch you're toast. If not they're toast (usually)
not a hellcat lol there is no traction at all.
@@DevPack lmao yeah without tire up grade stock or stock and only feather the throttle out of the hole with suspension on street or use traction control. However traction control sucks which is why nobody can drive them unless you owned one for a good amount of time to learn this. Modded on the street is a joke and even with tire upgrades you need vht and prep or go to the track for traction to exists.
@@joshreynolds729 I wonder how good I can handle the 400z having never owned an rwd sports car when I get one 😆
@@cosmic_gate476 You should be fine.
Most of scat owners don’t know how to hook and the guy on the left that drive every cars perfectly hooked tf out the 392 and did it on wet track 😂😂😂😂😂 He turned in to Dom Toretto.
As an owner of a 6.4 challenger but also a fan of the q50/q60 cars, Infiniti really could use a better transmission for these cars. The cars would be so much better with a DC auto or a zf 8spd, or even better, a manual. At least the aftermarket TCM tunes can improve the shifting behavior a good bit and they sure do make great power with just a few Bolton’s, tune and some E. An awd Q car would make a fantastic 4 season performance car and fun track car.
Honestly thats probably some of the best 392 launches ive seen Frfr, And on wet road awesome good driver.
Man this the best car channel I watch in a long time great jobs guys
We al knew the horsepower in the Charger would take it. I’m very impressed with the Q50 thou…
Yall talking bout tires but it's the driver who's laying down those tires like a champ
I think of it, you bring it! It takes the higher end Dodges to overtake the Q50/60. A RWD red sport should be more competitive. Once again thanks for the amazing content Sam.
What the hell u talking about...that red sport is a good 10k more than a 392
@@djzulumask2138 lol well said
Higher end dodge? it’s a 43k sedan you idiot, oh and your red sport starts at 56….. take the L on your comment
The rare time a Charger actually hooked up. :-) Props to the driver.
He deserves it. He did an amazing job.
"Come On Kia". Almost defaulted to that. Lol
Almost said it lol
@@SamCarLegion Can you try the Q50 Hybrid Sport in some comparison?
My kia soul has left the comment section 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That went about how I expected; the Charger is a beast in a straight line, no doubt about it. If this were an autocross, I'd expect the Q50 to be the better of the two cars. As it stands tho, I'd choose the Charger over the Q50 if I were going to buy either or.
Yee right even though the scat is way bigger as far as back seat comfort ...hell if u add new turbo down pipes and a tune it'll even beat a hellcat....but just with a tune and pipes will beat a scat any day
@@ooo2757 boy hn
Those scars are so heavy they belong in the ocean watch when it turns corners the whole earth turns too 🤣🤣
Stop sleeping on the Q50s they're fast. I love my Q50.
Q50 boys on tiktok talking shit about 392's all the time, yet here's literal proof stock for stock, q50 getting reeled in every time lmfao.
i drive a q60 with all wheel drive so i’m chillin
I'd like to see a Tune vs Tune race with these cars and see the difference.
Same asf
Lol salty the scatty got the dub?
Lol.. Why because Infiniti is Twin Turboed.. Lol
Lol US scat owners & daytona owners been told yall stock vs stock yall ain’t beating us 😂😂😂😂 the dude on the left knows how to race these cars and he controlled that boat how it should be controlled 😂😂😂💯💯💯💯💯 now for your suggestions yes lets slap a turbo on our scats like yall and see how fast yall wanna get gapped 😎
Q50 owners swear they can walk hellcats but get dragged by scatpacks 😆
Bro the q50 did great 👍 I have a q50s I also had a charger I do miss the charger but the q is more easy to maneuver
It's no slouch! Our other car is a Nissan Maxima 2010...so, we love Infiniti
To tell you the truth, I expected the Infiniti to win at least one in the wet...
Me too, I really hoped to take at least one of them. The 392 Charger is plenty quick at the top.
The problem is without a tune the stock twin turbos run out of gas early on in the rpms
@@KamikazeSOF2 isn't that the truth, I have the 3.7 Q. LOVE IT but knowing I can't hit 500whp without FI makes me a sad 😞
@@azahelcovarrubias2172 NA 3.7 will easily last beyond 200k. 3.0TT doesn't fair as much and will require much more money. It's way more complex and it's not uncommon for turbo to go at around 100k.
@@xFlared mine is lasting A-OK don’t know where you’re getting that mate.
i don't understand the physics. is that charger using magic tires? they barely ever get traction on the street. this is nuts!
392 vs Camaro SS should be next or the mustang 5.0!!!! Have a SS my self want to see the outcome 😆
SS wins
Even tho there are hundreds of runs on RUclips, it still would be interesting
Mustang beats both
@@justfunstuff5418 na the 392 is faster off the line and can get the 5.0 on the 1/4mile but past that the 5.0 has a better top end in speed and would win the 1/2mile
@@DavidMorales008 na ive seen 392 being underestimated to much. We just gotta really wait for him to do a video shoot of the 3 pony cars.
Red sport owner here so you can call me biased. Normal mode is a waste of time in these cars. All those first 2 races did was heat soak the engine. Then they finally raced in sport plus and he didn’t manually shift... the transmission is the weakest part of this car. Manual shifting is a must if you want 7k redlines when racing.
Totally, but one of the purposes of these races (and why we do multiple) is to compare each car in their available modes and transmission configurations. If it was just to "win" then Sam's videos would be RUclips "shorts" just featuring one drive mode. The differences in races is what makes his content compelling, no?
best channel for races.
I rented one of those scat packs while down in FL. Thing only had 4k miles. I absolutely loved that car, faster than I thought it'd be.
Excellent driving on the Charger! Hooked really well in the wet.
Got to be one of the most amazing races I’ve seen. In the end of the video Sam commented that placing the Infiniti q50 in manual mode felt more power coming out of the engine. I get the same feeling with my Genesis 5.0…
What’s also interesting is the 392 was slower in manual mode compared to being in Automatic. A true testament that every transmission is different. I personally would leave the 392 in Auto as well. The trans shift perfect each and every time, and the kick down is very responsive. Virtually no delay. Therefore, no need to shift manually.
With 2 more cylinders and more than double the engine size the Q50 did very well against him.
Same thought here. They should have allowed the Infiniti to use a tune so the WHP was a tad closer. That big of a gap in HP and TQ tells you the story before it even started.
As much as people hate chargers they are beautiful cars and sound amazing
I would def have to say that Infinity did a great job with this car. in a matchup thats V6 vs V8, the Q50 did very well. I wonder how the charger will do against other V8's in its performance class and how the Q50 would do against other V6's in its performance class. Great video Sam!
Yea but that the twin turbo v6 not a regular v6
@@handsomedevil254 Still has a choked off 2 Inch exhaust. Too much restriction for the turbos to reach their full potential.
Damn track soaking wet , more weight , rwd and still gaped a awd car. Very impressive with the 392 charger hate to see it on a dry track.
There is a lot of engine specs differences and it was a great race,very nice Charger,,but that 3.0 liter from that Infinity is quick,comparing it to a 6.4 liter and almost 90 horsepower difference,the Infinity did a great job,,nice job from the Charger even tho it was rainy.
Really good content my friend recommended this channel i love it.
Would love to see LC 500 up for drag race in future
LOL you can hear the 392 from inside the Infiniti the entire race :)
My ears hurt all the way back home afterwards. It sounded so good.
Reminded me of the time when I was much younger and had what I thought was a nice aftermarket sound system. I had the windows down and the music cranked, until......a van pulled along side me that had an insanely better sound system and drowned my music out entirely. 🤦♂️
@@jimwallace4164
It did sound good for sure, but not sure I would want to hear it in certain circumstances, on long road trips, etc. I think it would get tiring at times.
@@wbwayne8887 you dnt really hear it in eco mode and cruising
@@vincentp4951
Good to know.
I’ve never seen red sports get wiped down by the scattys over and over 😂😪 my guy knew his car for sure 🫡
Yep, just as expected. 🙂 those Chargers are quick for their size and weight.
Some dude: Chargers/challengers are slow boats
Same some dude: I want to see *insert any modern car here” vs the charger/challenger
Me: so the charger/challenger is your standard for how fast any modern car is huh?
🤣 they love to hate
Went as expected. What would be more interesting though would be a Q50S 3.7 vs a Charger 5.7 Hemi
5.7’s are slow. Period. 5.7 is nothing more than an entry level V8 with these heavy cars.
Would've been a much better choice
@@lotus956 Hence why it would probably be a good race with the 3.7 Q50. Plus they are also roughly in the same price range so it only makes sense.
the g37 will beat a 5.7
with ease tbh
As a Mopar or no car guy. I can say that the Infiniti sport sedans are welcome any day into the boat community.
This race was a really good one!! I love both these cars! I feel if the Q had a tune it would destroy the scat
And what if the Scat was tuned too?
@@Al-qn3sj Okay don't ask me why I did this but looking through stock dyno, tuned dyno, and claimed gains from a tune with both it looks like a tuned Q would have around 420 whp and about 470 wheel tq. A tuned 392 would have 430-435 whp and 455 wheel tq. That's being a bit generous to the scat pack since I had to guess on the wheel numbers and used 10% drive train loss, so those numbers may be off by a few hp and tq. I feel sure the Q would win if both were tuned since it has more tq, isn't down all that much on hp, is AWD, and weighs close to 400 lbs less. I doubt it would walk the Scat though because the Scat is still up on hp and has a much better transmission.
@@GC-nd1lp Curious how you come to the conclusion that a tuned 392 would have 430-435hp at the wheels when its 485 stock at the crank. A simple 93 octane tune will add 30 hp and 30tq. So at minimum you are looking at 515hp and 505 lbft at the crank. A rwd vehicle has less drivetrain loss then a awd car. Not sure how you can add 100lbft of torque to the Q just with a tune. For the record I own a Q50S. The 392 Scat is in a different bracket then the Q.
@@Al-qn3sj Because I watched dyno videos and saw dyno sheets putting the 392 at around 410 whp stock. A tune will add 30ish horsepower at the crank, but you have to account for the drivetrain loss. Obviously AWD will have more parasitic loss but RWD is still around 15% typically, so if you take 15% off of that 30 that you gained at the crank, that will be 25 and there's your 435 whp. I took the numbers for the Q directly from AMS Performance. Their stock Red Sport went from 350 ft lbs to around 470. I don't get why you're surprised that a 3L TT v6 can make +100 ft lbs with a tune when an EcoBoost Mustang can make +75 ft lbs with just cooling mods, an intake, and a tune.
@@GC-nd1lp All dynos are different so you can only compare dyno numbers if both cars were measured on the same dyno. Qurstion for you, are the AMS numbers tune only or mods with a tune? If you include mods it changes everything. Bottom line the 85 hp and 75lbft stock is too much to make up with just a tune. Only way for big gains are mods. But then you have to look at Scat pack mods too.
Bruh the amount of gas that the v8 burns to speed up is CRAZY 😭😭😭
The 392 motor and transmission are in incredible
The transmission makes the biggest difference. My 496 big block smashes the output of the 392, but 8 gears vs my 4 gears. I get what you are saying though 💯
Every single time I drive my scat charger I smile I love driving it
Great runs. The Q50 transmission seems a little too outdated
Bingo! The 7sp transmission performance is the weak spot on the Q50/G37/370Z
shifting is too slow it makes huge difference
also i wonder if they got rwd q50 would perform better?
@@CEDRICnissan I don't really think so. The AWD was likely the reason why the Q competed at all here - my opinion backed with absolutely zero experience in the RWD version. The transmission shifts quick under heavy acceleration as Sam commented during his salvation roll race. But after some passenger seat time in the C43 AMG that was there you really start to realize how the Infiniti transmission really holds back the capability of the VR30.
Yes, we have a very bad transmission.
@@MidnightAspec I wonder how will the new 9 speed be on the new nissan z
Love the sound of those chargers
Q50 vs Stinger please 🙏
Q50s will win over the Kia Stinger GT2
Wtf is a stinger??
@@youngbanger1977 I think so too
Its Not The Car, Its The Driver. Always remember that 🔥🔥🔥
Yes, the driver is always the wild card. The driver(s) present the most variables when in similar conditions as evidenced by my botched roll race and Sam's follow up salvation roll race!
the Q50 7 speed may be old but it transforms into a monster in manual mode. I own a 3.7 and the difference between shifts is abysmal in auto vs manual. they just did manual mode on the 50 roll, should've done a dig in manual. great races tho!
The Q50 driver in the Charger shifted the gears too early in the sport mode rolling race... so it gives you illusion that the Q50RS is much much faster in manual shift mode when in fact it's not quite so. It doesn't look like the driver in the Charger knows the car inside out.. If both drivers raced equally skillfully and talentfully then the difference in that race would've been much larger....
Charger driver.managing 485hp/475Tq on wet road while drag racing from a complete stop? Kudos sir
Appreciate you, man 👌
The sound of the Charger alone boosted my testosterone levels and caveman tendencies 😂😂
Go forth and repopulate the world my son
This channel deserves WAY more subs. Great content Sam.
Damn this turned out even better than I thought those drone shots offer unique angles on our cars we don't often get to see. Que fiddy looking, sounding lovely.
🎉🔥🔥🔥
man your car sounded great. what exhaust setup?
I’m not surprised the Q50 was right on it. Those things do not joke around. Great race. Both cars weigh into the 4,000 lbs category.
Q50 Red Sport is 4,000 lbs flat
Charger Scatty (Fatty) Pack weighs 4,400-4,500 lbs.
Charger has close to 100 more HP
I wonder what kind of tires are on the Charger? Even in the damp, it still managed to hook up.
They're tires from GTA 5, Atomic brand 👀
Sure arent stock
Too me it sounded like he feathered the throttle off the line thats the only way they hook
Scat hook well maybe not in the rain with stock tires but do hook so I imagine he was feathering it and had some decent tires for the stock rim that are rated for dry wet use. I run the continental extreme sport DW for my hellcat and they do pretty well in 500hp mode when wet but not 700 plus shit it barely hooks when it’s dry but it does hook. stock perrelli suck in every mode and condition shit I’m surprised they haven’t been sued. Ie the stock ones that Come with the car if you didn’t know.
@@joshreynolds729 i put a 305 nitto nt555 g2 summer tire on my scat and that shit is sometimey as hell when it comes to hooking
Anyone here remember the Eau Rouge Project for the Q50? I've got a 19 Q50RS RWD and man how I wish the Eau Rouge was a thing
I remember that very much. In fact I wanted to buy one
Yes I remember it too…So disappointed they didn’t release that version.
Proud 392 boat owner 🤟🏿✊🏿#Slowpack
I see alot of of people picking the Q50s and they're definitely fast. But the 392 better win. It's basically promoted as a drag car. So I say 392 takes it.
100%
Likely a relatively safe and expected assessment to be honest. That fact that we're even talking about a Nissan hanging with a purpose-built-high-in-the-pecking-order-of-Dodge-Chargers is still kinda wild to me and I'm excited to see how Sam handled the cars.
@@jimwallace4164 I absolutely agree with that brother. Good point. Infiniti and Nissan are definitely coming up with some awesome performance vehicles. Even if they "aren't trying" to lol
@@JD-dd4xf I had hopes they'd try with Project Black, but alas, it was going to be too expensive and no one would buy it given the available Germans.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 doesn't matter if u win by a mile or an inch. A win is a win. 🤙
I have a Q50 RS. I need this and it's going to be epic.
Sorry the RS will not win
Like he said. Those Dodges are incredible. SRT 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Imagine on dry pavement,that infinity would have lost even worst :/.
It was bound to lose the race but those Q50’s modded are something else, and took think it’s just a luxury car not even a sports car.
Probably he thinks the chargers is better 🤣🤣🤣
Those chargers get off the line pretty good for the power they have
@@cevastian3244 most ppl buy them bc of their sport capabilities though lol its a sports car……….
If you dont care about fast just save coin and get a non RS.
@@cevastian3244 sport luxury more like it
They aren’t untouchable if you got 2.0 accords beating them almost stock 🙄
Eventhough I expected the Scat to win, I think the 7 speed in the Q50 is a little dated when compared to the newer, faster shifting 8 speed in the Charger.
The only thing we missing is a Dashboard cam so we can how many miles or kilometers per hour the car is going, I'll love that
I smile when I see this shit .I jus have an ark exhaust on my Q50 redsport it’s not tuned but mines RWD I’m neck & neck with them stock scats & I’m telling u that awD is jus adding weight for him to reel u in.
Exactly. My wife has a 3.7 RWD Q50 with intake and exhaust and Ive beat a red sport. My 3.7 370z with intake and exhaust smokes scatpacks all day
@@DaGeneral254 you are not beating a red sport with a 3.7 😂😂
@@isaacmontiel5273 red sport is 3.0 400hp AWD 4000lbs 0-60 4.5sec, 3.7 330hp RWD 3500lbs 0-60 5.2 sec, that's stock, it has intakes and full exhaust, it was just a roll I pulled up next to it on the highway put it in sport and we ran at 50 I let off at 130 and it let off about 100 it was pretty much in my blind spot the whole time it never pulled on me, was probly some old man lol, either way q50s are a beast, it's my family car only reason I have it is cuz I can't put a car seat in my 370 but I still have it wen I want to go fast
@@DaGeneral254 you're not beating a scat pack wiiht intake and exhaust lol
@@DaGeneral254 😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, thats not “brake boosting”, thats just launch control. Brake boosting is when you’re roll racing and apply brake pressure while simultaneously applying the same amount of or more of acceleration so the engine revs and the turbos build boost.
Yo Sam…you should do the BMW 330i vs the regular Infiniti Q50 3.0T (not the red sport)
Should be an interesting race. Great job on all the races though man, keep doing your thing.
You mean the 2.0T q50? The 3.0T should be against the 335, 340 or M340i
@@marsallen4298 not really the bmw 330i can easily run the regular 300 hp q50 3.0t bmw underrated their hp
honestly props to both cars
Despite the Titanic weight the Charger is a boss
6.4 V8 475 HP vs 3.0 twin turbo V6. Both are fun but that displacement makes the difference from 60mph and up. And I own an Infiniti.
485 hp
I have a 2019 scat pack 392. Nice to see my car spanking other cars. The one to compare all others to
Scat packs are pretty fast. I bet they actually make more than 485 hp. It’s crazy how close it was on the manual shifting roll
Yeah I definitely didn't have optimal shift points. It's something I want to get better at
They Make less than that because of weight
@@vlz.matthewHe’s talking about the advertised power they make. Some people including myself have seen them upwards of 410-425 ish to the wheels. Not 100% accurate about this but its pretty close, they’ll probably make upwards of 500-520 ish horsepower to the crank. Weight doesn’t affect the engine and how much power it makes when ran on a dyno. Wouldn’t be surprised if I saw more in the 500 crank hp range.
@@kellyoubrejr544 if its advertised at 485 it should be making numbrs between 480-490 and nothing more on a dyno
dodge clearly advertises their horsepower with measurements from the crank without adding the weight
with weight they definitely make around 410-430
@@vlz.matthew That’s not how it works. Most cars make their advertised horsepower regardless of the weight. In the real world when it’s not on a dyno, yeah weight does factor in but cars are ran on a dyno where weight doesn’t matter, nor wind resistance. Scats have been seen at 410-430 *wheel horsepower*. That’s around 500-520 ish wheel horsepower. Dyno’s typically read wheel horsepower and not actual crank horsepower. Could be wrong but I know most do. Same thing with RT’s, they’ve been estimated at around 320-330 ish horsepower at the wheel which is around 400-410 at the crank. I can name plenty more examples. 720s is a perfect example, that’s why it stomped all its competition.
Awesome, this is what I have been waiting for. Thank you for making it happened!!! you the man. MOPAR OR NO CAR!!!
The Charger has more than double the engine displacement 🤣. Also run them both full bolt on and tuned and see which is faster.
This should be interesting. Nice job bringing the heat!
Love your car encouragement in every car you're in...
"COME ON__(insert brand here)______!!!!"
Good win for the 392 but also the q did good against it. Downpipes and catback on the q probably would have been a different race.
Expected........add a JB1 or JB4 and the Q50 is putting down 400 to the wheels. My stock 2016 RS runs a 12.3 with a JB4 running map 2. My son's AMS tuned ($1600) 2016 Q50 Sport runs 11.6.
Now race them round a track 😂
Very well done for the Q60.
Man that top end of that 392 Apache 🤤🤤🤤
Apacheeeeeeeeee! Hemispherical coming thru 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽
You gotta make a video with the Nissan Maxima and the Mercedes C300
Definitely
Need To Do Red Sport And Stinger 🔥
Against what car?
Didnt the stinger beat the charger?
As a Stinger owner id love to see this race as well
@@15thelongway No it didn’t, The Charger and Challenger Scat Pak walked the Stinger GT
@@15thelongway The stinger did beat the 5.7 liter Hemi though
Chargers on a roll are DEADLY