@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od I thought the first one was really fun (though also unrealistic as hell), but they got kinda repetitive after that (I still love them). I did like the plot twist towards the end of the 5th one though.
This is true. Death in FD is a conscious entity that will move the heavens and the earth to make sure His design is followed. Doesn't change the fact that that's not how any of that works.
I wrote an article some time ago about the Smiler-Accident, and in research found out that the responders had actual trouble forcing the restraints open after the accident, so...yeah they really don't open "at random", they're almost too solid for their own good.
On most of those rides, the restraints have multiple levels of redundancy. If you're not in the station, you are not going to be getting someone out of the ride easily.
One big thing I noticed was, they couldn't decide if the coaster in Final Destination had upstop pads or upstop wheels, as it keeps changing between shots. A real coaster like that would definitely have upstop wheels.
@@owenjohn1192They serve the same purpose as upstop wheels, but aren’t featured on any modern coasters. Older arrow non-looping coasters, including Magnum XL-200 had upstop pads when they opened. They did the same thing as up stop wheels, but caused a lot of stress when they slammed up into the track on a ride with powerful airtime like Magnum. So they were pretty quickly replaced by upstop wheels.
Gemini has upstop pads. last time I checked, it's a real roller coaster. Magnum also had them when it first opened but they changed to upstop wheels shortly thereafter. too many sparks
as a firefighter and coaster enthusiast I can absolutely promise you that 911 makes absolutely zero attempt to depict any incident with any type of realism ESPECIALLY from the first responder side. It’s probably the most sad show I’ve ever been so unfortunate to witness. I’d definitely recommend checking out some of Fire Department Chronicles’s videos on the show, they’re hilarious even to people with no first response experience.
I’m not even a first responder and I couldn’t make it through to the end of that show lol. I guess the more you take the time to learn about how these guys do their jobs, the less entertaining those types of shows get. I can’t imagine how far first responders eyes roll back in their skull watching these 😂 It’s like they deliberately made an effort to make it as unrealistic as possible
@@Beelzebubby91nah cause it’s unrealistic to us too, the special effects are so bad and any anti cop characters are portrayed as whiny brats who refuse to allow themselves to be helped, so it’s also copaganda
For some odd reason, I was always suspicious that roller coaster hydraulic fluid didn't run through a five dollar coaxial cable that you can get at walmart.
Also with that second one, I’m no physicist, but that train is *definitely* not experiencing negative gs when that passenger gets flung out of the car.
What's sad is you just KNOW someone out there had never ridden a coaster before saw one of these scenes and is now terrified to ever try it thinking they were realistic.
there’s a common a few above yours of someone who said they were already terrified of coasters and the FD3 scene just solidified that. but they also said that this channel made them finally get the nerve up to try a roller coaster and now enjoys them once they get over their anxiety
I caught a glimpse of this scene when I was very young like 5 or 6, I refused to ride rollercoasters till I was about 16. Yeah, it can definitely mess up your perception of coasters. Love em now.
With 911, I love how they added the loop on a coaster that doesn't have a loop. That was filmed at a small local theme park, Scandia in Ontario, California.
Im a coaster enthusiast and I was watching final destination with my older sister she said I shouldn't be riding coasters because this could happen at any moment
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3odI remember when I read a comment on a roller coaster video and the comment said and I quote “RoLlEr CoAsTeRs BeInG sAfE iS a MyTh!” And it basically was just a rant about it. Like, my guy, the chances of you dying are 1 in 170 MILLION. Just needed to let that out.
Your older sister needs to point to one instance where this actually occurred, despite thousands of coasters running hundreds of thousands times a day every day around the world.
FYI allegedly FD3 is inspired by Mindbender Accident. Which indeed both involved car derailing, restrain mechanism get shredded, and passenger getting throaway from the car, and people killed. Which is explaining some of the ridiculousness of the accident, heck even the Mindbender one is much more ridiculous and sad
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od It is Because the cause of the accident is also more ridiculous (due to track being too wide on some part and put so much stress on fixed bogie assembly) Nowadays we have spring-mounted bogie assembly that will adapt better on track
@@iliketrains3546 Who's to say the coaster at the park in FD3 wasn't a leftover from the 80s or 90s? Obviously nothing to this extreme has or likely ever will happen, but this channel has shown MANY times that with the exact amount of bad luck and incompetence, bad stuff DOES happen. Are you guaranteeing me right now that there aren't any roller coasters around even today that don't have extremely worn-out components that they shouldn't be running with because someone thinks that money is more important than safety? Never mind that Final Destination 3 came out in 2006... which puts it roughly the same timeframe from the late 80s as it is from today.
Maybe if you set the story in the 80s? There'd be consequences these days, but regulations were a lot more lax in the past. Enough for Action Park to exist.
@@arturoaguilar6002 Eventually, but AP also proves that in 80s America it was possible for a theme park to not only operate a deathtrap of poorly-designed, poorly-built rides staffed by drunken teenagers, but to continue to operate said deathtrap even after hundreds of injuries and a few fatalities. There would be news coverage after a mass death, but it's also plausible that a park could be run with such lax safety policies as to allow the event to happen.
@@Beelzebubby91 lol yeah, from what i remember the dude was on the ISS and it got hit with a solar storm. he tried to call his base but ended up calling 911 by accident? idk it was weird lol
Heh, I was going to suggest you do a "What Really Happened" on FD3's roller coaster scene for April Fools. For the past three years, Fascinating Horror has been recounting an action or disaster film in the style of his usual content as an April Fools special, and I thought it'd be funny if you did the same! (...is that Donald Glover?)
Many years ago, I was contacted by a producer who said they were working on the next Final Destination and they needed to find a roller coaster that a park would not only allow them to film at, but one that would allow them to destroy the coaster. They had found my contact info due to my position in ACE at the time. After some explanation that ACE couldn't help them with such a task, they contacted PNE and the rest is history. I haven't seen the movie. Only clips like seen in this video.
@@CoasterCollegeyeah, because _Death of Ocean View Park_ was such a hit (it wasn't) and destroying the Rocket was a good idea (it wasn't). I'm surprised they didn't try for Mt Olympus. They could get the whole movie from filming an average day of operations.
@@CoasterCollege It was an odd conversation. I had to ask a couple times if they were joking. I thought I had been pranked but everything seemed legit.
That's crazy, but they didn't destroy anything for the movie. They did a ton of stuff on green screens and in studios, but rode the roller coaster an insane amount for reaction shots. But everything "destructive" was done digitally or practically in a studio in front of green screens. I think the person you talked to was being hyperbolic.
5:54 How does he get flung out of the ride while it looks like they‘re still increasingly go upwards? Rows behind are clearly visible. If they were at a camelback they wouldn’t 🙈
I was once in the queue for "oblivion" at Alton towers. We were watching the ride as we queued. A group of riders were "hanging" at the pause ,just before the drop into the hole. The ride was struck by lightning (directly), and the power went off. The release mechanism must have required power, and the poor people were stuck there, with blood rushing to their heads! It took a good while to get things sorted. (This was in August 1999, before some smart arse in the comments says that's impossible because of such and such, they probably have a different system now due to this event).
'95? That would explain it, things were... different back then, and like you said more "modern" coasters have multiple redundancies to try and prevent such things from occurring
You should do one of these for an episode of What's New Scooby Doo. The episode in question is called Roller Ghoster Ride, and there are so many things wrong with that episode it's kind of funny. Especially what they show with the slingshot ride. Cutting the cable of one of those under tension would result in immediate catastrophic failure, not what is shown in the show.
You're not wrong, but it can still be entertaining to see it broken down, because sometimes there's a kernel of truth to it, or you learn something you otherwise didn't know or realize. Like, for instance, a roller coaster getting stuck upside down. It has happened, but only once. As a matter of fact, watching CoasterCollege's What Really Happened series and then watching this is actually very interesting, because there is actually some small bits of (accidental?) truth in both scenes. It's for that same reason I watch Dave Mckeegan debunk flat earth videos, I know the Earth is round, but I have learned about interesting things I didn't know about beforehand, like beam guidance for bombers during WW2.@@SpaceScreaminJohn
Reminds me of the scene from Ghost Ship where a cable is severed by the ghost and the cable whips across the entire length of the ship cutting people in two on the top deck.
That can happen, though. Cables and chains on ships can very easily kill you in a very messy way, and that is why they need to be treated with caution and respect.
It warms my heart that the top comments on the first result for "final destination roller coaster" are debunking it, and people are replying that the explanation helped calm their roller coaster anxiety.
I just want a bunch of experts on everything the FD franchise covers explaining exactly why the accidents make zero sense, or at least extremely unlikely. Final Destination was Sharknado of the 00s.
Given the premise of the movie, 'extremely unlikely' isn't an issue. Death in that setting is an intelligence force that works by deliberately manipulating events to make the almost-impossible happen in just the wrong way and at just the wrong moment to cause apparently accidential deaths. If there's a one-in-a-million chance of a crucial bolt falling off, and a one-in-a-million chance of it then landing wedged within a mechanism in such a way as to cause a car to derail, then Death will act to make sure that is exactly what happens.
This is why we love you bro. You set the story straight! I know so many that cite that ridiculous movie as a legit reason to not ride. I love that scene btw and also the one in House on Haunted hill remake 1999.
The idea of fiberglass breaking steel is hilarious. Also, I believe most coasters like the one in the 911 clip would also have a seat belt, just in case. And that fat guy is unlikely to be allowed to ride if they can't bring the restraints down to the secure position. Operators are NOT going to let that slide. That's a fantastic way to get sued.
My favorite dumb part of Final Destination 3 is when they get stuck at the top of the loop and their solution is to "rock" the train back and forth until it rolls down. And they rock it 3 or 4 times back and forth _flossing the top of the loop._ Gravity doesn't work that way.
There are a couple No Limits 2 recreations on RUclips of the beefed up coaster in FD3. The layout makes absolutely no sense, but neither does most of the movie. They really maxed out creative licensing in order to tell their fun, goofy story.
360VRCoasters has a movie-accurate recreation on his channel, which features gems like the transfer track at the bottom of the main drop and some questionable elements in between the pair of double corkscrews.
@@Revkor yeah, that was pretty dumb, especially when they could have just sent a second car through the hole in the catch fencing rather than having the first one break through.
if we’re gonna go there, most death scenes in the entire franchise are unrealistic. and the racetrack one is actually kinda realistic- there was a massive racing crash that happened in the 50s or 60s where a car left the track and broke into pieces that then flew into the grandstands and killed a LOT of bystanders.
@@misseselise3864 That was the Le Mans 1955 disaster, and there was no actual attempt at safety. I think there were a few hay bales around forming a bit of a "maybe don't go in here" type barrier, but nothing that would actually stop a car. Couple that with the car in question having a magnesium chassis (ever seen a magnesium fire?) and you have a recipe for disaster.
The scene from FD3 was dumb. First clue.. That coaster would not be a traveling coaster. As soon as I saw the concrete footers It blew any sense of realism out of the water. They were at a carnival not an amusment park. The editing also sucked!
Surprisingly that's the realistic part of this scene It's Vekoma looper, and sometimes they used portable support for permanent instalation (And yes, Vekoma portable looper DID exist)
Actually in Hutchinson Kansas at the State Fair in 2006 there was a loop ride that had only a lap bar restraint even though it loops upside down. It stalled with everyone upside down and I was sitting beside a thin girl and she was flipping out of the seat. I grabbed her while hooking one arm and leg around the lap bar holding on for dear life! All of us were screaming at the operator to get help or try to get the ride going so we could get down. He just stood there mute with a cigarette! It felt like forever but somehow it started working again and we could leave. The parents of the kid were in shock and couldn’t speak other than a tearful thank goodness! I’ve not ridden one of those loop rides again
As a huge fraidy-cat and general ball of anxiety disorder, thank you for your insight and explanations! Videos like yours have helped me a lot, since knowing how things actually work makes them a lot less scary and me a lot less likely to have panic attacks!
Was Final Destination's scene based loosely off Mindbender's big accident? Its the only accident even remotely like that that happened before that movie was made. Cool to see the actual coaster that was filmed on is safe and seems kinda fun. And some of its weird little quirks made it into the movie. It's a bit odd that the lift chain shuts off but to each their own I guess. And I can't say much about the scene from 911 because how did that thing even get past testing? ASTM class 2 restraints on something that inverts sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The rider getting thrown would've probably happened in the loop. Also the perfect weight balance that would be needed to get a train stuck like that without something lodged in the wheels is nearly impossible.
Agreed except riders would not be ejected while inside the loop because of centrifugal "force", unless the coaster also stopped in the loop upside down which is one of the least probable things that can happen.
@@jwhite5008 But it DID, Jwhite, IT DID! ;-) Mindbender is the example of all the worst things of poor design, poor build, poor maintenance all coming together to murder 3 people and injure a dozen or so more... Not to mention give everyone in the park that night PTSD!
Pretty sure all of the Final Destination movies are based on real events (without all the crazy ‘death chain’ crap), the first one was based on TWA Flight 800 in July of ‘96 and another (four or five) were based on the Le Mans disaster in ‘55.
I guess one could handwave away FD3’s flaws with something about a money grubbing park owner just not following regulations and not getting caught until it’s too late. I believe that has been the case in a small handful of incidents, though yeah it’s still unrealistic especially with the track falling apart bit
I’ve said it before, “Devils Flight” (as it exists in the movie, not Corkscrew at PNE) looks like it has a kickass layout full of airtime hills, and and hangtime filled inversions. As a Coaster enthusiast and an Avegeek, the Final Destination franchise has made me roll my eyes several times, but I still think they are fun movies to watch.
I used to work at Chamberlain/LiftMaster, and the whole garage door scene in Scream is utterly impossible too. They spent a whole lot of time and effort trying to undo people's belief that you could die like that.
1:52 Starting and stopping a motor really doesn't give much wear and tear (unless it's direct start with no soft start or vfd, which is uncommon, and puts stress on the gearbox not the motor itself). The main 2 reasons they idle are 1) This keeps the greasing unit on and the chain / sprockets / liner lubricated. 2) Starting the chain from a dead stop pulls significantly more starting current through the drive and motor than increasing speed that already has momentum. Source: I am a coaster controls programmer.
since it is getting into "technically" level of stuff - drawing more current generates more heat and overall more heat/cooling cycles so it would have some negative impact on motor expected life
Aren't hydraulic restrains working like truck brakes (the big cargo trucks)? That if there's a problem with the hydraulics, the brakes are activated because the hydraulic system keeps them instead of pressing them shut? (sorry if I'm writing strange, English is not my first language)
I can’t speak for all instances, but in North America the classic “air releases the brakes” is true of parking brakes. They have a large spring that applies the brakes and air pressure forces the brake to the release position. The non parking brakes will be applied by air pressure.
Hydraulic restraints basically have a hydraulic cylinder with a pipe linking the two ends of the cylinder. When the restraint is moved, hydraulic fluid will flow through this pipe from one end of the cylinder to the other, so to lock the restraint, this flow simply needs to be prevented. There's a valve on the pipe consisting of a spring-loaded solenoid, that normally only allows the hydraulic fluid to flow in one direction, corresponding to closing the restraint. This is its default state, the restraint can close but not open. When power is applied to the solenoid, the valve is held open and allows the fluid to flow in both directions. This unlocks the restraint. Each restraint has two of these systems for redundancy, and both solenoids have to be powered at once to unlock the restraint. The power for the solenoids is supplied through contacts in the station, so the restraints can normally only be opened there. Opening them elsewhere for an evacuation requires a battery pack to be plugged into the train. That's the basics, but these systems can have additional features added, for example an accumulator can be used to store pressure that will then be used to open the restraints automatically when they're unlocked.
@@KingdaToro So what would happen in the event of catastrophic loss of hydraulic pressure? Specifically, within the "restraints close" cylinder, or in the accumulator. I suppose this is why B&M coasters have that little seat belt thing and other coasters often have seat belts? You know, triple redundancy.
@@alaeriia01The pressures that would be generated by the coaster's forces are far smaller than the rated pressures of the equipment. Hydraulic equipment is typically rated for 3000 PSI, and the full weight of a rider trying to force the restraint open would probably only generate about 500-1000 PSI, assuming the heaviest rider that'll still fit. You wouldn't get more than that, as even the most extreme ejector airtime found on coasters is around -1 G. -1.5 would be extremely uncomfortable, and -2 would be downright dangerous. The accumulator wouldn't even be connected when the restraint is locked, as its purpose is to help open the restraint. And even if there was a loss of pressure in one cylinder, the other should be fine. The chance of both systems of one restraint failing during a single ride cycle is negligible. The seat belts on coasters are primarily measuring devices. They're a fixed length that corresponds with the highest allowable position of the main restraint. If it can't reach, the person can't safely ride.
The final destination roller coaster scene is based off the 2004 event where a person died in that exact way at Six Flags where 1 person died 3 people later died at the hospital and about 20 people were hospitalized when the entire system malfunctioned all over the place. The roller coaster was shut down but was later re opened 3 months later but fully shot down less than 3 years after that making it only operational for about 3 years and a couple of months. This event happened about 2 days before I went there and my step sister saw it happen.
Your “fact” about the lap bar is in correct! Today, yes the rules say a simple lap bar isn’t enough but when I was younger this certainly wasn’t enforced! An example of this is The Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Over Georgia, a wooden coaster I know very well! For much of my younger years and up into the 90’s this coaster which when built was the tallest and longest coaster in the world only had a lap bar! Today it has seat belts along with the bar but from 1973 till around 1990 it sure didn’t!
Commenting for the algorithm! Tired of these terrible clickbait channels spreading misinformation about theme park rides, your videos need to be in front of more eyes ❤️
What College Coaster gets wrong about the _Final Destination 3_ roller coaster wreck is that Death is interacting with the ride, causing the malfunctions that we see. It's quite literally a supernatural event.
The roller coaster scene made me decide to just not watch any of those movies. Its basically trying to turn an anxiety disorder into a super power and i aint about that.
tl;dr version: in order for these scenes to even be possible, both roller coasters would have to violate so many safety regulations that there's no way either would be open to the public.
So it's the creator's fault for extremely young idiots, people who take a movie seriously, and people who don't research anything? That's like saying that it's the creators of Alien's fault for people who got afraid of space after watching it. Why do you people keep painting the creators of Final Destination as evil creatures who find joy in traumatizing young people with horrifying fictional disasters and deaths, when in reality they're just doing what all other creators do, making fiction and overdramatizing things to reel in more viewers and higher ratings. And by the way, lets see how each movie of Final Destination would be affected if it were accurate to real life. Final Destination 1: Plane accidents are extremely rare unless it's from Boeing which will crank up the chances of accidents to rare or moderate. So we might as well remove it from the movie which means no Final Destination 1 and no Final Destination sequels. Final Destination 2: The logs wouldn't have been bouncy at all (as shown in the real log attempt and understanding of physics) so no Final Destination 2 and no after sequels. Final Destination 3: Self explanatory and no Final Destination 3. Final Destination 4: Race car accidents are very rare and especially never as violent as shown in the movie so no Final Destination 4. Final Destination 5: Impossible unless it was set in the 1830s so no Final Destination 5. So no Final Destination franchise. As well as 99% of movies and shows not existing along with most books that carry tons of fiction not existing. Wait, am I missing something? Oh right. Death wouldn't even exist if the franchise was accurate, so this whole ENTIRE argument is POINTLESS!
in a way i dislike how much of an influence the rollercoaster scene in final destination left on people, non enthusiasts were left with the impression that roller coasters are built with straws and could cause injury at any time
X no way out at Thorpe Park used to have those lap bars. My friend and I would purposely put our knees up to stop the lap bar coming fully down and the staff weren’t that bothered either so as the ride started we simply pushed the lap bar back up and it was the most intense ride I’d ever had in my life! Plus it was a rollercoaster in the dark
This movie came out when I was 13. By then, I'd been on rides like Kingda Ka, Viper at SFMM, etc. The moment I saw the hyrdaulic over-the-shoulder harnesses, I knew this was total fantasy. Anyone with access to internet knows that CORKSCREW roller coasters, even from their genesis, used ratcheting harnesses that needed manual unlock. You EVEN HEAR the ratching after the "hydraulic sound". So if the harnesses lost fluid, the ratchets would have held them down regardless. This is WHY hydraulics have the center belt clip in the first place. It would infuriate me when horror casuals would say they actually RODE the Devil's Flight or that FD3 was modeled after a real corkscrew derailment.
I had to stop and just say it’s DEATH I don’t think he gives a s about what’s possible bro. If he is coming for you bro he having some fun with you. you cheated him he is mad.
This was a very informational and well-produced video! Wasn’t too long, either. I love roller coasters but always had a lingering fear that the over the shoulder restraints would come loose during a ride. Nice to see a cogent explanation about how that is practically impossible. Another question I have that I don’t think anybody’s ever addressed in a video about roller coasters is how the G-forces might affect a rider and cause them to have an aneurysm, a stroke, or something like that. Could those kinds of G-forces encourage such a medical incident? I’ve never seen a video that addresses this particular concern.
@@CoasterCollege Only if you already have a condition which makes the blood vessels weak. It absolutely will NOT do any of those things to a healthy person.
Every properly designe security mechanism requires 0 action or energy to STAY locked. Unlocking it requires work. Sometimes locking it does too. But once its locked, it must be a static frame. Otherwise it is NOT SECURE.
I can't help but think of CSI season 4 episode 21, where a rollercoaster train derails and flies into the parking lot. They find a loose nut from one of the wheels but the coaster technician at the park says just one loose wheel wouldn't cause a derailment.
I rode the coaster in FD3 way back in 1987 when it was at Boblo Island. Decent coaster from what I remember but nothing like what is shown in the movie.
Very interesting analysis. ^^ I remember seeing commercials for 911. There's also this show called SWAT or something. Neither of them look real or even slightly respectful to the actual jobs. They are dumb fun shows but they're also just straight-up goofy and nonsensical. I dunno. When I saw a little bit of SWAT, I laughed at it.
Also everyone keep in mind that the movie is based on death coming back for them after they weren't killed as fate planned. So there are several scenes in the series where fate does the impossible, and you start to think how it couldn't happen.
I think final destination 3 is one of the few films i can rightfully hate without actually seeing it. It has been nothing but a bad influence and left many people scared of rides with absolute misinformation. It’s disgusting and yes, some things get dramatized in film but it still has no excuse not to get its facts right if they’re going to pour that much money into it. As for 911, it’s very unfortunate people are still going to get fear mongers with more recent media.
I have to say that the log truck one got me. I had a learner’s cdl years ago and the amount of work to be done on open loads was staggering. I rarely drive my car at all anymore, but I’m definitely not getting behind a log truck ever.
@@rocknrollnichole1071 is that one of the final destination movies or something? I haven’t seen any of them, although I have commonly fought on the Final Destination stage in Super Smash Bros, which is unrelated.
@@WhatAG23yeah, i believe its in the second final destination movie. the big death scene at the beginning is a massive pileup that includes the chains failing on a log truck & one of those freed logs making its way straight through somebody’s windshield and through their head.
@@rocknrollnichole1071as awful as it is, the log truck part of that is absolutely something that can (and does) happen. you can google “log from log truck hits car” and have a lot of stuff come up. a couple years ago, someone had a log from a log truck come loose and go through their windshield but they were fine bc they happened to be reaching for something in the passenger seat floorboard when it happened.
The audience won't question things like fiberglass damaging steel because they've been conditioned into believe such things as reality - like floating ice cutting, like a knife, through Titanic steel.
Or for an alternative, they're just understanding that it's just a movie that doesn't need to be 100% accurate to real life, as like 99% of movies would not be nearly as successful if that was the case. And fiction is always more entertaining than reality. I mean seriously, it's like questioning why in a sci-fi movie like The Thing or Alien there's a fictional creature or something that doesn't make sense.
I've only been scared on a ride once. It wasn't a thrill ride, it was a very basic wooden coaster that mostly went back and forth - but it was also at a very shady little amusement park on one of the Greek islands, and must have been rather lacking in proper service as the class two restraint failed to engage. I spent the ride clinging on tightly as I was swung from one end of the seat to the other. The same place also had a not-very-big wheel operated by a control panel featuring a giant rheostat which would spit sparks whenever the operator turned the control wheel. It looked like it was made in the 1930s, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Not all countries devote the resources to enforce safety regulations on amusement parks.
i love this franchise and FD3 is probably the movie i’ve rewatched the most but i always skip over the coaster scene bc there’s a part at the beginning where someone says something like “you’re more likely to die on the way to an amusement park than at one” and for whatever reason it pisses me off. like its completely factual but still
What about the part in FD3 where the coaster hits that piece of track and flips up in the air? All the carts have wheels that hold them to the track. That's like the worst one!
I need to make a side note about 911 & Final Destination: I do love 911 as a show, but i also feel like it's looking for every single opportunity in existence to rip off the Final Destination movies, even if said scene in 911 or the spin-off was never in a Final Destination movie, and yet it STILL manages to be very Final Destination-esque and be a rip-off of the movies regardless, like it's trying to be them. On the bright side, they could be in the same universe, and that's interesting to think about.
I work on a boomerang coaster that uses the curvy vekoma train instead of the cheese wedge and I'm so tired of explaining to people how fake final destination is I really have to go ham, shaking the locked restraint to put people at ease that this fuckers not opening until I want it to.
Back in the early 1990's, I absolutely got stuck upside down on a ride with just a single lap bar holding me and my friend's little sister. I was 16 at the time, and my friend's little sister was probably 8 or 9. We at a carnival in France, on a ride that was basically just a large rectangular loop with a single train of 3 or 4 cars that zipped around that loop a few times. I think it stopped upside down as part of the ride experience, but there's no way it was safe to do so. I learned every French curse word that day, from an 8 year old little girl who nearly fell out of her seat.
I don't know where else to ask this but I love your coverage on how safety features work. Would you explain how the rollback/slingshot launch works on something like Velcocoaster? When cars can't make the second launch they are sent backwards and then accelerated forward.
I'm sure this one also got it wrong, but What the Roller coaster "accident" in CSI. Season 4 Episode: 21 "turning the screws" A roller-coaster called "Pharaoh's Fever," derails because an employee loosed all the screws on all the wheels and trying to get back at a girl he liked, who also worked there and was riding the coaster after hours with another dude. It didn't derail like he had hoped., he forgot to go back and fix it, so the next morning when the park opened, The guy who normally checks the ride wasn't able to due to management cutting back the hours, The people working in the morning had no idea about the tampering so it kept running until the all the screws that were lose fell out and sent the coster flying. the stand in coaster is called The Lost Kingdom's Screaming Mummy originally it was in , Iowa's Adventureland transported to Pharaoh’s Lost Kingdom in 2000
Seems legit, but counterpoint: Death is literally a sentient being in the Final Destination universe, and a Killer Game Master at that. He literally rewrites laws of probability and physics just to mess with targets and cause them to have worse deaths than they were originally "scripted" (in-universe) to have... and apparently it's _so_ common in that world, that literally no one seems to give a shit that every possible failsafe failed-dangerous at the same time, in multiple locations, to very specific people while leaving bystanders entirely untouched (usually).
I genuinely despise the Final Destination franchise. People who defend the first movie alone are on crack, the idea is fine but the acting is just awful. Frankly, the third one is nothing better. Just putting unrealistic fears into people’s minds about roller coasters, and it sucks for people who have never ridden one and now are afraid to. I hate that it even exists tbh.
Can you please do a video on if the cyclone at coney island in brooklyn is ASTM compliant in ride design and restrains, because when i rode it last summer my step mother had to hold me in my seat to keep me from falling out of the ride 🙏🙏
It’s almost 100 years old, it isn’t gonna meet modern safety standards without modifications. And with how historic it is, that’s probably why it hasn’t happened. I rode it quite a few times and didn’t feel in danger at all.
I was once told by an engineer (who worked in aerospace) that nearly all tje newer large steel tube rollercoasters pull a partial vacuum or pressurize the rails which are all welded air tight so a simple pressure gauge can be used by the rides safety system to detect even a small crack in a weld long before it could fail under nominal operating loads.
Having seen Film Brain's review of Final Destination 3, the entire movie is a mess that makes little sense. Like, I get that the rollercoaster is merely a plot device, but they could've gotten the same outcome without making stuff up.
I think the quoted comment at the end has some bearing that you did not touch upon. Theme parks are permanent, and staffed by experienced crew. Many State Fairs (or smaller) are much more rinky-dink operations, and their roller coasters are typically more tame yet also likely more prone to human error in a number of ways, including proper maintenance and oversight in some cases. I'd like to hear more about this, whether these smaller operations have an on par or worse track record than permanent installations such as theme parks.
I always thought Final Destination would be much more interesting if they did research into the plausible circumstances of each death. Look at what a catastrophic roller coaster accident would actually take to happen, look at the cars and track of the coaster they are filming on and come up with a believable scenario instead of just making stuff up.
It also looks like the rails are wafer thin tubes in FD3 when you see the track "break", which wouldn't be anywhere near strong enough to hold a rollercoaster train.
Nearly all tv/reality shows hype up their content, otherwise known as put out BULLSCHIT content, in order to appeal to people's ridiculous craving for dumb drama which then makes the producers LOTS of money
Maybe I'm lacking context because I didn't watch the show but did that guy get flung towards the center of the turn's circumference? While experiencing postive Gs? Centripetal force just left the chat I guess.
I find it hilarious that even punk rock is more accurate than these shows. I'm thinking of the Cargo Cult song "Amusement Park Disaster" that included the line "Mommy mommy mommy! The cotter pin came off the ride!"
5:25 - Small but potentially important correction: The ASTM is not mandatory. *It's a voluntary standard!* It's potentially dangerous to assume that all rollercoasters - even within the US - follow this. It's also not the only standard like this in the US. While 911 was _far_ from correct overall - as per usual - they actually do have a slight win on this one in the sense that it's _theoretically_ possible in the real world that there's rollercoasters out there with these restraints when they shouldn't be.
It might be beating a dead horse at this point, but I always tell people you’re MUCH more likely to get in a car accident on the way to the park than get in a roller coaster accident. People don’t realize how much maintenance and safety features these rides (usually) have because actively putting your customers in harms way is a pretty bad idea 😂
My favorite bit his how the track looksnlike ots made out of razor thin, non hardened steel. Which is Hilarious, not only because it would ahve failed way before what happens in the movie, but also because apparently no one shut down what was clearly a very unsafe track.. especially of a *piece of fiberglass* can break the tube clean in half.
Final Destination 3 at least has the excuse that Death will get as elaborate as possible to reinforce the death pattern. 911's just a mess of a show.
I don't actually like final.destination I think its extremely boring lol
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3odI only watch them for the gore
Agreed
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od I thought the first one was really fun (though also unrealistic as hell), but they got kinda repetitive after that (I still love them). I did like the plot twist towards the end of the 5th one though.
This is true. Death in FD is a conscious entity that will move the heavens and the earth to make sure His design is followed.
Doesn't change the fact that that's not how any of that works.
I wrote an article some time ago about the Smiler-Accident, and in research found out that the responders had actual trouble forcing the restraints open after the accident, so...yeah they really don't open "at random", they're almost too solid for their own good.
On most of those rides, the restraints have multiple levels of redundancy. If you're not in the station, you are not going to be getting someone out of the ride easily.
One big thing I noticed was, they couldn't decide if the coaster in Final Destination had upstop pads or upstop wheels, as it keeps changing between shots. A real coaster like that would definitely have upstop wheels.
WTF| are up stop pads? never heard of them!
@@owenjohn1192They serve the same purpose as upstop wheels, but aren’t featured on any modern coasters. Older arrow non-looping coasters, including Magnum XL-200 had upstop pads when they opened. They did the same thing as up stop wheels, but caused a lot of stress when they slammed up into the track on a ride with powerful airtime like Magnum. So they were pretty quickly replaced by upstop wheels.
Gemini has upstop pads. last time I checked, it's a real roller coaster. Magnum also had them when it first opened but they changed to upstop wheels shortly thereafter. too many sparks
@@dindog22 When I said "a real coaster like that" I meant a real coaster like the one featured in the movie. Gemini doesn't have any loops.
@@dindog22 Yup, I love Gemini's inversions, they're so well executed for an Arrow.
as a firefighter and coaster enthusiast I can absolutely promise you that 911 makes absolutely zero attempt to depict any incident with any type of realism ESPECIALLY from the first responder side. It’s probably the most sad show I’ve ever been so unfortunate to witness. I’d definitely recommend checking out some of Fire Department Chronicles’s videos on the show, they’re hilarious even to people with no first response experience.
ironic, as rhetoric have the former chief of the Los Angeles fire department as an advisor
I am totally unsurprised by this assessment.
I’m not even a first responder and I couldn’t make it through to the end of that show lol. I guess the more you take the time to learn about how these guys do their jobs, the less entertaining those types of shows get. I can’t imagine how far first responders eyes roll back in their skull watching these 😂
It’s like they deliberately made an effort to make it as unrealistic as possible
I really love the show Feuer und Flamme. Here, real firefighters are accompanied to real operations without sensationalism. It is very informative.
@@Beelzebubby91nah cause it’s unrealistic to us too, the special effects are so bad and any anti cop characters are portrayed as whiny brats who refuse to allow themselves to be helped, so it’s also copaganda
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That guy who flew out in the 911 scene LITERALLY flew out! LMAO. It was like he had Superman powers and flung himself out. lol
He had his arms in the Superman position and everything!
It was also very obviously not even a stunt man as you can see the fakeness of the movements. It is a dummy of some kind.
I didn't know 911 had a Superman. He clearly heard someone cry for help and couldn't wait for the ride to end.
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You make a compelling case, but have you considered the possibility of a rider cheating death and the Grim Reaper needing to collect what he's owed?
lol
Death in a hardhat building the worst rollercoaster ever made
Yeah, it feels like the whole point of the movie was lost here...
@@koresoteira447 some people stray away from coasters cause of that scene
them getting off the roller coaster was them cheating death
For some odd reason, I was always suspicious that roller coaster hydraulic fluid didn't run through a five dollar coaxial cable that you can get at walmart.
Also with that second one, I’m no physicist, but that train is *definitely* not experiencing negative gs when that passenger gets flung out of the car.
Good point. You would not fly out on the first hill
Centrifugal force is what you mean.
@@Kai...999Centrifugal force is what *creates* gs in rollercoasters
I can tell you that gravity just gave up on that man
Random localized depressurization event? Oh, wait; that would be in an airplane scene...
What's sad is you just KNOW someone out there had never ridden a coaster before saw one of these scenes and is now terrified to ever try it thinking they were realistic.
there’s a common a few above yours of someone who said they were already terrified of coasters and the FD3 scene just solidified that. but they also said that this channel made them finally get the nerve up to try a roller coaster and now enjoys them once they get over their anxiety
Like how jaws got people to stay off beaches for a bit
I caught a glimpse of this scene when I was very young like 5 or 6, I refused to ride rollercoasters till I was about 16. Yeah, it can definitely mess up your perception of coasters. Love em now.
Yes.
Planes too.
Only OG viewers remember he did a Debunked on the FD3 scene.
That’s why I clicked this video so fast! So glad that classic got an upgrade ❤
This!
Right! I thought i was tripping for a minute until i remembered!
I do remember that one
With 911, I love how they added the loop on a coaster that doesn't have a loop. That was filmed at a small local theme park, Scandia in Ontario, California.
Im a coaster enthusiast and I was watching final destination with my older sister she said I shouldn't be riding coasters because this could happen at any moment
My grammar is horrible excuse me please
This has significantly better grammar than the average RUclips comment.
Your sister is mad dumb.
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3odI remember when I read a comment on a roller coaster video and the comment said and I quote “RoLlEr CoAsTeRs BeInG sAfE iS a MyTh!” And it basically was just a rant about it. Like, my guy, the chances of you dying are 1 in 170 MILLION. Just needed to let that out.
Your older sister needs to point to one instance where this actually occurred, despite thousands of coasters running hundreds of thousands times a day every day around the world.
FYI allegedly FD3 is inspired by Mindbender Accident.
Which indeed both involved car derailing, restrain mechanism get shredded, and passenger getting throaway from the car, and people killed.
Which is explaining some of the ridiculousness of the accident, heck even the Mindbender one is much more ridiculous and sad
Still extremely rare though
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od It is
Because the cause of the accident is also more ridiculous (due to track being too wide on some part and put so much stress on fixed bogie assembly)
Nowadays we have spring-mounted bogie assembly that will adapt better on track
The fact that it was based on a real tragedy just makes the movie feel even more gross, imo.
Also that was in the 80s, times have changed and rides have gotten much safer over the years
@@iliketrains3546 Who's to say the coaster at the park in FD3 wasn't a leftover from the 80s or 90s?
Obviously nothing to this extreme has or likely ever will happen, but this channel has shown MANY times that with the exact amount of bad luck and incompetence, bad stuff DOES happen.
Are you guaranteeing me right now that there aren't any roller coasters around even today that don't have extremely worn-out components that they shouldn't be running with because someone thinks that money is more important than safety?
Never mind that Final Destination 3 came out in 2006... which puts it roughly the same timeframe from the late 80s as it is from today.
Pretty sure if people were being thrown off rides and dying every year there would be actual, y'know, consequences. And news coverage.
Maybe if you set the story in the 80s? There'd be consequences these days, but regulations were a lot more lax in the past. Enough for Action Park to exist.
@@vylbird8014 Pretty much the point: there would be a news coverage about the "Action Park of roller coaster rides"
@@arturoaguilar6002 Eventually, but AP also proves that in 80s America it was possible for a theme park to not only operate a deathtrap of poorly-designed, poorly-built rides staffed by drunken teenagers, but to continue to operate said deathtrap even after hundreds of injuries and a few fatalities. There would be news coverage after a mass death, but it's also plausible that a park could be run with such lax safety policies as to allow the event to happen.
As someone living in Vancouver, Corkscrew was a coaster we'd ride all the time, but it DID feel scarier after Final Destination 3 lol.
The same affect was like seeing the Hulk after watching House on Haunted Hill. 😅
Her: Babe, come over.
Me: I can't. I just got on a rollercoaster.
Her: My parents aren't home.
Me: 5:52
"Realistic depictions" is giving 911 a LOT of credit.
Fire Department Chronicles makes fun of this.
lol yeah, they literally had an episode where a guy called 911 from a space station lol
The first episode I saw was a Halloween episode as well as the everyday shenanigans. I thought it was a comedy series.
@@puppyhowler No wayyy 💀 I gotta watch that now
@@Beelzebubby91 lol yeah, from what i remember the dude was on the ISS and it got hit with a solar storm. he tried to call his base but ended up calling 911 by accident? idk it was weird lol
Heh, I was going to suggest you do a "What Really Happened" on FD3's roller coaster scene for April Fools. For the past three years, Fascinating Horror has been recounting an action or disaster film in the style of his usual content as an April Fools special, and I thought it'd be funny if you did the same!
(...is that Donald Glover?)
Many years ago, I was contacted by a producer who said they were working on the next Final Destination and they needed to find a roller coaster that a park would not only allow them to film at, but one that would allow them to destroy the coaster. They had found my contact info due to my position in ACE at the time. After some explanation that ACE couldn't help them with such a task, they contacted PNE and the rest is history. I haven't seen the movie. Only clips like seen in this video.
Its A bad movie all finale destinations are imo
Very interesting that they originally wanted to destroy the ride.
@@CoasterCollegeyeah, because _Death of Ocean View Park_ was such a hit (it wasn't) and destroying the Rocket was a good idea (it wasn't).
I'm surprised they didn't try for Mt Olympus. They could get the whole movie from filming an average day of operations.
@@CoasterCollege It was an odd conversation. I had to ask a couple times if they were joking. I thought I had been pranked but everything seemed legit.
That's crazy, but they didn't destroy anything for the movie. They did a ton of stuff on green screens and in studios, but rode the roller coaster an insane amount for reaction shots. But everything "destructive" was done digitally or practically in a studio in front of green screens.
I think the person you talked to was being hyperbolic.
5:54 How does he get flung out of the ride while it looks like they‘re still increasingly go upwards? Rows behind are clearly visible. If they were at a camelback they wouldn’t 🙈
FD3’s roller coaster incident is just an average day at Action Park.
facts
Lmfao yes
Nailed it!
If the Mulvihills ever tried to open a rollercoaster this would’ve been it
I was once in the queue for "oblivion" at Alton towers. We were watching the ride as we queued. A group of riders were "hanging" at the pause ,just before the drop into the hole. The ride was struck by lightning (directly), and the power went off. The release mechanism must have required power, and the poor people were stuck there, with blood rushing to their heads! It took a good while to get things sorted. (This was in August 1999, before some smart arse in the comments says that's impossible because of such and such, they probably have a different system now due to this event).
'95? That would explain it, things were... different back then, and like you said more "modern" coasters have multiple redundancies to try and prevent such things from occurring
You should do one of these for an episode of What's New Scooby Doo. The episode in question is called Roller Ghoster Ride, and there are so many things wrong with that episode it's kind of funny. Especially what they show with the slingshot ride. Cutting the cable of one of those under tension would result in immediate catastrophic failure, not what is shown in the show.
I mean, Scooby Doo is a cartoon, so of course it wasn’t gonna follow logic or physics.
You're not wrong, but it can still be entertaining to see it broken down, because sometimes there's a kernel of truth to it, or you learn something you otherwise didn't know or realize. Like, for instance, a roller coaster getting stuck upside down. It has happened, but only once. As a matter of fact, watching CoasterCollege's What Really Happened series and then watching this is actually very interesting, because there is actually some small bits of (accidental?) truth in both scenes. It's for that same reason I watch Dave Mckeegan debunk flat earth videos, I know the Earth is round, but I have learned about interesting things I didn't know about beforehand, like beam guidance for bombers during WW2.@@SpaceScreaminJohn
Reminds me of the scene from Ghost Ship where a cable is severed by the ghost and the cable whips across the entire length of the ship cutting people in two on the top deck.
That can happen, though. Cables and chains on ships can very easily kill you in a very messy way, and that is why they need to be treated with caution and respect.
@@SpaceScreaminJohntrue though Daphne runs her mouth like such a fanatic and it’s like, “chill hun. Shouting G-forces doesn’t mean you know stuff.”
It warms my heart that the top comments on the first result for "final destination roller coaster" are debunking it, and people are replying that the explanation helped calm their roller coaster anxiety.
I just want a bunch of experts on everything the FD franchise covers explaining exactly why the accidents make zero sense, or at least extremely unlikely. Final Destination was Sharknado of the 00s.
Given the premise of the movie, 'extremely unlikely' isn't an issue. Death in that setting is an intelligence force that works by deliberately manipulating events to make the almost-impossible happen in just the wrong way and at just the wrong moment to cause apparently accidential deaths. If there's a one-in-a-million chance of a crucial bolt falling off, and a one-in-a-million chance of it then landing wedged within a mechanism in such a way as to cause a car to derail, then Death will act to make sure that is exactly what happens.
This is why we love you bro. You set the story straight! I know so many that cite that ridiculous movie as a legit reason to not ride. I love that scene btw and also the one in House on Haunted hill remake 1999.
The idea of fiberglass breaking steel is hilarious.
Also, I believe most coasters like the one in the 911 clip would also have a seat belt, just in case. And that fat guy is unlikely to be allowed to ride if they can't bring the restraints down to the secure position. Operators are NOT going to let that slide. That's a fantastic way to get sued.
My favorite dumb part of Final Destination 3 is when they get stuck at the top of the loop and their solution is to "rock" the train back and forth until it rolls down. And they rock it 3 or 4 times back and forth _flossing the top of the loop._ Gravity doesn't work that way.
There are a couple No Limits 2 recreations on RUclips of the beefed up coaster in FD3. The layout makes absolutely no sense, but neither does most of the movie. They really maxed out creative licensing in order to tell their fun, goofy story.
360VRCoasters has a movie-accurate recreation on his channel, which features gems like the transfer track at the bottom of the main drop and some questionable elements in between the pair of double corkscrews.
still more beleivable then the nascar one
@@Revkor yeah, that was pretty dumb, especially when they could have just sent a second car through the hole in the catch fencing rather than having the first one break through.
I imagine it's supposed to be something like an Arrow megalooper and what we got was more or less someone drawing SFMM!Viper from memory.
Eh, the racetrack crash in the forth movie was also vary unrealistic.
What, you mean put crews don't leave a random screwdriver in the hot-ass exhaust pipe while working on the car?
if we’re gonna go there, most death scenes in the entire franchise are unrealistic. and the racetrack one is actually kinda realistic- there was a massive racing crash that happened in the 50s or 60s where a car left the track and broke into pieces that then flew into the grandstands and killed a LOT of bystanders.
@misseselise3864 Yeah, but it was going much faster than what they were going.
@@misseselise3864 That was the Le Mans 1955 disaster, and there was no actual attempt at safety. I think there were a few hay bales around forming a bit of a "maybe don't go in here" type barrier, but nothing that would actually stop a car.
Couple that with the car in question having a magnesium chassis (ever seen a magnesium fire?) and you have a recipe for disaster.
The scene from FD3 was dumb. First clue.. That coaster would not be a traveling coaster. As soon as I saw the concrete footers It blew any sense of realism out of the water. They were at a carnival not an amusment park. The editing also sucked!
Surprisingly that's the realistic part of this scene
It's Vekoma looper, and sometimes they used portable support for permanent instalation (And yes, Vekoma portable looper DID exist)
@@bocahdongo7769 I think that’s what happened with corkscrew at Alton towers, a travelling model that never actually traveled
Even as a kid watching that scene with my family I always knew it was bullshit
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od It was the scene from FD2 that still gives me panic attacks. That stuff happens every day.
@@bocahdongo7769 Been all over Vekomas website and no mention of a portable looper. Can't even find info on Ace or on RUclips. Care to help?
Quality content as always, I really hope that your channel will grow and show more and more people that coasters are awesome and safe!
Actually in Hutchinson Kansas at the State Fair in 2006 there was a loop ride that had only a lap bar restraint even though it loops upside down. It stalled with everyone upside down and I was sitting beside a thin girl and she was flipping out of the seat. I grabbed her while hooking one arm and leg around the lap bar holding on for dear life! All of us were screaming at the operator to get help or try to get the ride going so we could get down. He just stood there mute with a cigarette! It felt like forever but somehow it started working again and we could leave. The parents of the kid were in shock and couldn’t speak other than a tearful thank goodness! I’ve not ridden one of those loop rides again
As a huge fraidy-cat and general ball of anxiety disorder, thank you for your insight and explanations! Videos like yours have helped me a lot, since knowing how things actually work makes them a lot less scary and me a lot less likely to have panic attacks!
Was Final Destination's scene based loosely off Mindbender's big accident? Its the only accident even remotely like that that happened before that movie was made.
Cool to see the actual coaster that was filmed on is safe and seems kinda fun. And some of its weird little quirks made it into the movie. It's a bit odd that the lift chain shuts off but to each their own I guess.
And I can't say much about the scene from 911 because how did that thing even get past testing? ASTM class 2 restraints on something that inverts sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The rider getting thrown would've probably happened in the loop. Also the perfect weight balance that would be needed to get a train stuck like that without something lodged in the wheels is nearly impossible.
Agreed except riders would not be ejected while inside the loop because of centrifugal "force", unless the coaster also stopped in the loop upside down which is one of the least probable things that can happen.
@@jwhite5008 But it DID, Jwhite, IT DID! ;-) Mindbender is the example of all the worst things of poor design, poor build, poor maintenance all coming together to murder 3 people and injure a dozen or so more... Not to mention give everyone in the park that night PTSD!
Yes! I believe both use the same German Schwartzkoff track and coaster design which was heavily modified... AFTER MINDBENDER and its 3 DEATHS!
@@stickynorth I don't contest that, I only say the force in that case was not centrifugal.
Pretty sure all of the Final Destination movies are based on real events (without all the crazy ‘death chain’ crap), the first one was based on TWA Flight 800 in July of ‘96 and another (four or five) were based on the Le Mans disaster in ‘55.
I guess one could handwave away FD3’s flaws with something about a money grubbing park owner just not following regulations and not getting caught until it’s too late. I believe that has been the case in a small handful of incidents, though yeah it’s still unrealistic especially with the track falling apart bit
I’ve said it before, “Devils Flight” (as it exists in the movie, not Corkscrew at PNE) looks like it has a kickass layout full of airtime hills, and and hangtime filled inversions.
As a Coaster enthusiast and an Avegeek, the Final Destination franchise has made me roll my eyes several times, but I still think they are fun movies to watch.
It looks like a pretty average arrow mega looper tbf, something like viper at magic mountain
@@iliketrains3546 yeah, Viper if it had Magnum hills and if it took the first loop so slowly you got mad hangtime.
@@hoosiercoasterfan2655 I don’t remember there being any magnum hills on the ride, but agree with you on that first loop
I know, right? I’ve never seen an Arrow coaster with an airtime hill.
@@SherbetAlex are you joking. Magnum exists.
I used to work at Chamberlain/LiftMaster, and the whole garage door scene in Scream is utterly impossible too. They spent a whole lot of time and effort trying to undo people's belief that you could die like that.
1:52 Starting and stopping a motor really doesn't give much wear and tear (unless it's direct start with no soft start or vfd, which is uncommon, and puts stress on the gearbox not the motor itself).
The main 2 reasons they idle are
1) This keeps the greasing unit on and the chain / sprockets / liner lubricated.
2) Starting the chain from a dead stop pulls significantly more starting current through the drive and motor than increasing speed that already has momentum.
Source: I am a coaster controls programmer.
Legend! Thank you!
Plus, it is far more efficient to increase the speed of a motor than to start it from a dead stand still.
since it is getting into "technically" level of stuff - drawing more current generates more heat and overall more heat/cooling cycles so it would have some negative impact on motor expected life
Aren't hydraulic restrains working like truck brakes (the big cargo trucks)? That if there's a problem with the hydraulics, the brakes are activated because the hydraulic system keeps them instead of pressing them shut? (sorry if I'm writing strange, English is not my first language)
Yes, in fact, hydraulic restraints work like that. In the event of loss of hydraulic pressure, the restraints would lock rather than unlock.
I can’t speak for all instances, but in North America the classic “air releases the brakes” is true of parking brakes. They have a large spring that applies the brakes and air pressure forces the brake to the release position.
The non parking brakes will be applied by air pressure.
Hydraulic restraints basically have a hydraulic cylinder with a pipe linking the two ends of the cylinder. When the restraint is moved, hydraulic fluid will flow through this pipe from one end of the cylinder to the other, so to lock the restraint, this flow simply needs to be prevented. There's a valve on the pipe consisting of a spring-loaded solenoid, that normally only allows the hydraulic fluid to flow in one direction, corresponding to closing the restraint. This is its default state, the restraint can close but not open. When power is applied to the solenoid, the valve is held open and allows the fluid to flow in both directions. This unlocks the restraint. Each restraint has two of these systems for redundancy, and both solenoids have to be powered at once to unlock the restraint. The power for the solenoids is supplied through contacts in the station, so the restraints can normally only be opened there. Opening them elsewhere for an evacuation requires a battery pack to be plugged into the train.
That's the basics, but these systems can have additional features added, for example an accumulator can be used to store pressure that will then be used to open the restraints automatically when they're unlocked.
@@KingdaToro So what would happen in the event of catastrophic loss of hydraulic pressure? Specifically, within the "restraints close" cylinder, or in the accumulator. I suppose this is why B&M coasters have that little seat belt thing and other coasters often have seat belts? You know, triple redundancy.
@@alaeriia01The pressures that would be generated by the coaster's forces are far smaller than the rated pressures of the equipment. Hydraulic equipment is typically rated for 3000 PSI, and the full weight of a rider trying to force the restraint open would probably only generate about 500-1000 PSI, assuming the heaviest rider that'll still fit. You wouldn't get more than that, as even the most extreme ejector airtime found on coasters is around -1 G. -1.5 would be extremely uncomfortable, and -2 would be downright dangerous. The accumulator wouldn't even be connected when the restraint is locked, as its purpose is to help open the restraint. And even if there was a loss of pressure in one cylinder, the other should be fine. The chance of both systems of one restraint failing during a single ride cycle is negligible.
The seat belts on coasters are primarily measuring devices. They're a fixed length that corresponds with the highest allowable position of the main restraint. If it can't reach, the person can't safely ride.
The final destination roller coaster scene is based off the 2004 event where a person died in that exact way at Six Flags where 1 person died 3 people later died at the hospital and about 20 people were hospitalized when the entire system malfunctioned all over the place. The roller coaster was shut down but was later re opened 3 months later but fully shot down less than 3 years after that making it only operational for about 3 years and a couple of months. This event happened about 2 days before I went there and my step sister saw it happen.
thank god you talked about this 💀 i hate the scene bc it looks so dumb to me
Your “fact” about the lap bar is in correct! Today, yes the rules say a simple lap bar isn’t enough but when I was younger this certainly wasn’t enforced! An example of this is The Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Over Georgia, a wooden coaster I know very well! For much of my younger years and up into the 90’s this coaster which when built was the tallest and longest coaster in the world only had a lap bar! Today it has seat belts along with the bar but from 1973 till around 1990 it sure didn’t!
Thank you!!! This is something I needed!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Commenting for the algorithm! Tired of these terrible clickbait channels spreading misinformation about theme park rides, your videos need to be in front of more eyes ❤️
Appreciate it!
What College Coaster gets wrong about the _Final Destination 3_ roller coaster wreck is that Death is interacting with the ride, causing the malfunctions that we see. It's quite literally a supernatural event.
I'm not disputing the plot
5:50. Everyone is pinned to their seats in the loop due to G force, yet dude defies gravity and shoots out the top???😂
Suspending disbelief in order to enjoy a movie is important
More like what FinalDestination gets Wrong about Everything
The roller coaster scene made me decide to just not watch any of those movies. Its basically trying to turn an anxiety disorder into a super power and i aint about that.
Nothing makes 12-year-old me from the past feel better than people picking apart the ridiculous death scenarios from the Final Destination movies.
tl;dr version: in order for these scenes to even be possible, both roller coasters would have to violate so many safety regulations that there's no way either would be open to the public.
They not only violate safety regulations, but also the laws of physics.
The thing is death bends the rules of logic to make it possible for the impossible to happen. It happens repeatedly in every movie.
That's no excuse for terrifying people with misinformation.
So it's the creator's fault for extremely young idiots, people who take a movie seriously, and people who don't research anything? That's like saying that it's the creators of Alien's fault for people who got afraid of space after watching it. Why do you people keep painting the creators of Final Destination as evil creatures who find joy in traumatizing young people with horrifying fictional disasters and deaths, when in reality they're just doing what all other creators do, making fiction and overdramatizing things to reel in more viewers and higher ratings. And by the way, lets see how each movie of Final Destination would be affected if it were accurate to real life.
Final Destination 1: Plane accidents are extremely rare unless it's from Boeing which will crank up the chances of accidents to rare or moderate. So we might as well remove it from the movie which means no Final Destination 1 and no Final Destination sequels.
Final Destination 2: The logs wouldn't have been bouncy at all (as shown in the real log attempt and understanding of physics) so no Final Destination 2 and no after sequels.
Final Destination 3: Self explanatory and no Final Destination 3.
Final Destination 4: Race car accidents are very rare and especially never as violent as shown in the movie so no Final Destination 4.
Final Destination 5: Impossible unless it was set in the 1830s so no Final Destination 5.
So no Final Destination franchise. As well as 99% of movies and shows not existing along with most books that carry tons of fiction not existing. Wait, am I missing something? Oh right. Death wouldn't even exist if the franchise was accurate, so this whole ENTIRE argument is POINTLESS!
in a way i dislike how much of an influence the rollercoaster scene in final destination left on people, non enthusiasts were left with the impression that roller coasters are built with straws and could cause injury at any time
X no way out at Thorpe Park used to have those lap bars. My friend and I would purposely put our knees up to stop the lap bar coming fully down and the staff weren’t that bothered either so as the ride started we simply pushed the lap bar back up and it was the most intense ride I’d ever had in my life! Plus it was a rollercoaster in the dark
i remember we got stuck hanging downwards on that in 2012😂
This movie came out when I was 13. By then, I'd been on rides like Kingda Ka, Viper at SFMM, etc. The moment I saw the hyrdaulic over-the-shoulder harnesses, I knew this was total fantasy. Anyone with access to internet knows that CORKSCREW roller coasters, even from their genesis, used ratcheting harnesses that needed manual unlock. You EVEN HEAR the ratching after the "hydraulic sound". So if the harnesses lost fluid, the ratchets would have held them down regardless. This is WHY hydraulics have the center belt clip in the first place. It would infuriate me when horror casuals would say they actually RODE the Devil's Flight or that FD3 was modeled after a real corkscrew derailment.
I had to stop and just say it’s DEATH I don’t think he gives a s about what’s possible bro. If he is coming for you bro he having some fun with you.
you cheated him he is mad.
This was a very informational and well-produced video! Wasn’t too long, either. I love roller coasters but always had a lingering fear that the over the shoulder restraints would come loose during a ride. Nice to see a cogent explanation about how that is practically impossible. Another question I have that I don’t think anybody’s ever addressed in a video about roller coasters is how the G-forces might affect a rider and cause them to have an aneurysm, a stroke, or something like that. Could those kinds of G-forces encourage such a medical incident? I’ve never seen a video that addresses this particular concern.
Glad you enjoyed it! The G forces can absolutely do everything you described, it may be a future video!
@@CoasterCollege Only if you already have a condition which makes the blood vessels weak. It absolutely will NOT do any of those things to a healthy person.
Every properly designe security mechanism requires 0 action or energy to STAY locked.
Unlocking it requires work.
Sometimes locking it does too.
But once its locked, it must be a static frame.
Otherwise it is NOT SECURE.
I can't help but think of CSI season 4 episode 21, where a rollercoaster train derails and flies into the parking lot. They find a loose nut from one of the wheels but the coaster technician at the park says just one loose wheel wouldn't cause a derailment.
Also, rollercoaster wheels don't attach with bolts so there would not be any nuts on the thing in the first place.
I rode the coaster in FD3 way back in 1987 when it was at Boblo Island. Decent coaster from what I remember but nothing like what is shown in the movie.
So basically none of the roller coasters were not certified by federal Consumer Product Safety Commission in these scenes lmao
Very interesting analysis. ^^
I remember seeing commercials for 911. There's also this show called SWAT or something. Neither of them look real or even slightly respectful to the actual jobs. They are dumb fun shows but they're also just straight-up goofy and nonsensical. I dunno. When I saw a little bit of SWAT, I laughed at it.
Also everyone keep in mind that the movie is based on death coming back for them after they weren't killed as fate planned. So there are several scenes in the series where fate does the impossible, and you start to think how it couldn't happen.
I think final destination 3 is one of the few films i can rightfully hate without actually seeing it. It has been nothing but a bad influence and left many people scared of rides with absolute misinformation. It’s disgusting and yes, some things get dramatized in film but it still has no excuse not to get its facts right if they’re going to pour that much money into it. As for 911, it’s very unfortunate people are still going to get fear mongers with more recent media.
I have to say that the log truck one got me. I had a learner’s cdl years ago and the amount of work to be done on open loads was staggering. I rarely drive my car at all anymore, but I’m definitely not getting behind a log truck ever.
@@rocknrollnichole1071 is that one of the final destination movies or something? I haven’t seen any of them, although I have commonly fought on the Final Destination stage in Super Smash Bros, which is unrelated.
@@WhatAG23yeah, i believe its in the second final destination movie. the big death scene at the beginning is a massive pileup that includes the chains failing on a log truck & one of those freed logs making its way straight through somebody’s windshield and through their head.
@@rocknrollnichole1071as awful as it is, the log truck part of that is absolutely something that can (and does) happen. you can google “log from log truck hits car” and have a lot of stuff come up. a couple years ago, someone had a log from a log truck come loose and go through their windshield but they were fine bc they happened to be reaching for something in the passenger seat floorboard when it happened.
It's just a film lmao. How is it "disgusting"? as if they did it intentionally to scare people 😂
The audience won't question things like fiberglass damaging steel because they've been conditioned into believe such things as reality - like floating ice cutting, like a knife, through Titanic steel.
Or for an alternative, they're just understanding that it's just a movie that doesn't need to be 100% accurate to real life, as like 99% of movies would not be nearly as successful if that was the case. And fiction is always more entertaining than reality. I mean seriously, it's like questioning why in a sci-fi movie like The Thing or Alien there's a fictional creature or something that doesn't make sense.
I've only been scared on a ride once. It wasn't a thrill ride, it was a very basic wooden coaster that mostly went back and forth - but it was also at a very shady little amusement park on one of the Greek islands, and must have been rather lacking in proper service as the class two restraint failed to engage. I spent the ride clinging on tightly as I was swung from one end of the seat to the other.
The same place also had a not-very-big wheel operated by a control panel featuring a giant rheostat which would spit sparks whenever the operator turned the control wheel. It looked like it was made in the 1930s, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Not all countries devote the resources to enforce safety regulations on amusement parks.
0:01 hate this rollercoaster
i love this franchise and FD3 is probably the movie i’ve rewatched the most but i always skip over the coaster scene bc there’s a part at the beginning where someone says something like “you’re more likely to die on the way to an amusement park than at one” and for whatever reason it pisses me off. like its completely factual but still
What about the part in FD3 where the coaster hits that piece of track and flips up in the air? All the carts have wheels that hold them to the track. That's like the worst one!
Omg I’ve been waiting on this video!! So glad he covered it
I need to make a side note about 911 & Final Destination:
I do love 911 as a show, but i also feel like it's looking for every single opportunity in existence to rip off the Final Destination movies, even if said scene in 911 or the spin-off was never in a Final Destination movie, and yet it STILL manages to be very Final Destination-esque and be a rip-off of the movies regardless, like it's trying to be them.
On the bright side, they could be in the same universe, and that's interesting to think about.
I work on a boomerang coaster that uses the curvy vekoma train instead of the cheese wedge and I'm so tired of explaining to people how fake final destination is
I really have to go ham, shaking the locked restraint to put people at ease that this fuckers not opening until I want it to.
Back in the early 1990's, I absolutely got stuck upside down on a ride with just a single lap bar holding me and my friend's little sister. I was 16 at the time, and my friend's little sister was probably 8 or 9. We at a carnival in France, on a ride that was basically just a large rectangular loop with a single train of 3 or 4 cars that zipped around that loop a few times. I think it stopped upside down as part of the ride experience, but there's no way it was safe to do so. I learned every French curse word that day, from an 8 year old little girl who nearly fell out of her seat.
I don't know where else to ask this but I love your coverage on how safety features work. Would you explain how the rollback/slingshot launch works on something like Velcocoaster? When cars can't make the second launch they are sent backwards and then accelerated forward.
I'm sure this one also got it wrong, but What the Roller coaster "accident" in CSI. Season 4 Episode: 21 "turning the screws" A roller-coaster called "Pharaoh's Fever," derails because an employee loosed all the screws on all the wheels and trying to get back at a girl he liked, who also worked there and was riding the coaster after hours with another dude. It didn't derail like he had hoped., he forgot to go back and fix it, so the next morning when the park opened, The guy who normally checks the ride wasn't able to due to management cutting back the hours, The people working in the morning had no idea about the tampering so it kept running until the all the screws that were lose fell out and sent the coster flying.
the stand in coaster is called The Lost Kingdom's Screaming Mummy originally it was in , Iowa's Adventureland transported to Pharaoh’s Lost Kingdom in 2000
Seems legit, but counterpoint: Death is literally a sentient being in the Final Destination universe, and a Killer Game Master at that. He literally rewrites laws of probability and physics just to mess with targets and cause them to have worse deaths than they were originally "scripted" (in-universe) to have... and apparently it's _so_ common in that world, that literally no one seems to give a shit that every possible failsafe failed-dangerous at the same time, in multiple locations, to very specific people while leaving bystanders entirely untouched (usually).
I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in the world of the movie, just that it's not possible in reality.
I was sad when I went to playland (i think two years ago?) and found out they no longer have the corkscrew :(
I personally do NOT recommend watching either one of them, because the movie and the show both suck ass
I genuinely despise the Final Destination franchise. People who defend the first movie alone are on crack, the idea is fine but the acting is just awful. Frankly, the third one is nothing better. Just putting unrealistic fears into people’s minds about roller coasters, and it sucks for people who have never ridden one and now are afraid to. I hate that it even exists tbh.
Can you please do a video on if the cyclone at coney island in brooklyn is ASTM compliant in ride design and restrains, because when i rode it last summer my step mother had to hold me in my seat to keep me from falling out of the ride 🙏🙏
It’s almost 100 years old, it isn’t gonna meet modern safety standards without modifications. And with how historic it is, that’s probably why it hasn’t happened. I rode it quite a few times and didn’t feel in danger at all.
I mean, it was a ghostly intervention, so things could happen that would normally not happen, lol
I was once told by an engineer (who worked in aerospace) that nearly all tje newer large steel tube rollercoasters pull a partial vacuum or pressurize the rails which are all welded air tight so a simple pressure gauge can be used by the rides safety system to detect even a small crack in a weld long before it could fail under nominal operating loads.
Cinematic shock was more important than realism.
I only know of one coaster derailment which was in Scotland: Tsunami fell to the ground at M&D park in 2016.
I'm ignoring everything after the original Final Destination anyway.
Having seen Film Brain's review of Final Destination 3, the entire movie is a mess that makes little sense. Like, I get that the rollercoaster is merely a plot device, but they could've gotten the same outcome without making stuff up.
I always had coaster safety skepticism but holy cow this video was reassuring.
I think the quoted comment at the end has some bearing that you did not touch upon. Theme parks are permanent, and staffed by experienced crew. Many State Fairs (or smaller) are much more rinky-dink operations, and their roller coasters are typically more tame yet also likely more prone to human error in a number of ways, including proper maintenance and oversight in some cases. I'd like to hear more about this, whether these smaller operations have an on par or worse track record than permanent installations such as theme parks.
TLDR
Every safety system has multiple backups and almost everything in the movie is dumb entertainment and fear mongering
I always thought Final Destination would be much more interesting if they did research into the plausible circumstances of each death. Look at what a catastrophic roller coaster accident would actually take to happen, look at the cars and track of the coaster they are filming on and come up with a believable scenario instead of just making stuff up.
It also looks like the rails are wafer thin tubes in FD3 when you see the track "break", which wouldn't be anywhere near strong enough to hold a rollercoaster train.
At least the roller coaster scene in FD3 is better than the NASCAR scene in one of the later movies.
Nearly all tv/reality shows hype up their content, otherwise known as put out BULLSCHIT content, in order to appeal to people's ridiculous craving for dumb drama which then makes the producers LOTS of money
Maybe I'm lacking context because I didn't watch the show but did that guy get flung towards the center of the turn's circumference? While experiencing postive Gs? Centripetal force just left the chat I guess.
I find it hilarious that even punk rock is more accurate than these shows. I'm thinking of the Cargo Cult song "Amusement Park Disaster" that included the line "Mommy mommy mommy! The cotter pin came off the ride!"
5:25 - Small but potentially important correction:
The ASTM is not mandatory. *It's a voluntary standard!* It's potentially dangerous to assume that all rollercoasters - even within the US - follow this. It's also not the only standard like this in the US.
While 911 was _far_ from correct overall - as per usual - they actually do have a slight win on this one in the sense that it's _theoretically_ possible in the real world that there's rollercoasters out there with these restraints when they shouldn't be.
It might be beating a dead horse at this point, but I always tell people you’re MUCH more likely to get in a car accident on the way to the park than get in a roller coaster accident. People don’t realize how much maintenance and safety features these rides (usually) have because actively putting your customers in harms way is a pretty bad idea 😂
My favorite bit his how the track looksnlike ots made out of razor thin, non hardened steel. Which is Hilarious, not only because it would ahve failed way before what happens in the movie, but also because apparently no one shut down what was clearly a very unsafe track.. especially of a *piece of fiberglass* can break the tube clean in half.