Has Todd Phillips even done "new"? Due Date is just a tamer Planes, Trains & Automobile. War Dogs is just a lesser Lord of War mixed with Wolf of Wall Street. And of course, Joker is just a poor man's Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy mashed together.
Yeaaa, I think I’m going to really go on about my life pretending Joker 2 doesn’t exist. When someone asks me about it, I’m going to legit be like “What’s that?” like I’m Bernard from Westworld. 😂
I felt the same way walking out of this movie. Unfortunately the movie was made it seems with no narrative purpose. Sort of aimless the cinematography was the best point but everything else seems hallow and empty.. sometimes even boring. The first trailer really showed the energy it could of had but a courtroom drama rehashing the first movie was not interesting and seemed pointless from a sequel story standpoint. Also this movie costing 200 million dollars in lunacy.
@@jamiehigginbotham20022Lady Gaga might have used up all her goodwill from A Star is Born with this horrible role. Don’t worry Margot Robbie, people will still think of you as the default Harley Quinn.
😂 gotta appreciate the decisive opinion - “F this piece of garbage” we all knew it was going to be bad, but until watching some of these reviews, I hadn’t considered what it would have been to actually get a GOOD sequel continuation of this alternate-universe Joker, where the world continues to be fleshed out with the gritty realism tone somewhat like the unique perspective of the Nolan Batman trilogy… instead they decided to make absolute trash and launder another $200million 🙄
@@jonfreeman9682Joaquin Phoenix got a significant pay raise for this film. From $4.5M for the first movie to $20M here. Director Todd Philips also got a much bigger payday and Gaga doesn't come cheap either.
Oof. I’m seeing it on Wednesday. Based on what you’re saying I’m surprised it has like a 60% on RT. Might be one of those where you either like it or hate it. But I’m still looking forward to it. Got to leave those expectations at the door and judge the film on its own
Some people loved it me being one. I’m actually shocked to see at the negative reviews. It was unhinged and fun. It is very different than the firs but to say it’s terrible is not accurate it was amazing
Just saw the reviews by Jahns and Murrell. Jahns didn't like it and Dan was more positive but with some asterisks attached. It seems like certain creative decisions make or break the experience for each viewer. Can't say I'm surprised about it, given how the first film was structured.
The "gotta make more money" argument makes no sense given the ending. The studio would've never allowed that ending if the point of this movie was to make more money. The musical segments were also deep dives into his psyche that helped tell his story, that argument makes no sense either.
I was expecting it to be awful, tbh. The bitter cynic in me is actually quite pleased, because I was against there being a sequel right from the start (it's a great standalone movie, it'd be very hard to do any kind of sequel without completely ruining the ambiguity of the first one), and I spat out my drink comically when I first heard it was going to be a goddamn musical. I was slightly encouraged by the trailer which tbf did look really good, but yeah, overall I was expecting it to suck and here we are🤷♂ I'm not even sure if I'll bother watching it, frankly, because the last thing I want is my enjoyment of the original tarnished. I mean, I probably will, just out of curiosity. But it'll almost certainly be joining Dial of Destiny, No Time To Die and Matrix Resurrections on my list of "whelp, that never actually happened in my personal headcanon"...
The minute I knew this movie was going to suck was when the director admitted that he, Joaquin Phoenix and others had to do basically a NFL huddle to rewrite and recontextualize the *basic premise of the movie* multiple times. If you have to constantly rethink and reconceptualize the basic foundation of your sequel, that is an unnecessary sequel.
Correct. If you don't have an obvious idea for a sequel, don't do it. Sometimes it takes time to hammer out a good version of an idea but you need a good idea to start with.
Saw it as well, I'll put it this way..... the ending wasn't divisive it's that by the time it reached it's conclusion I just didn't care anymore. I loved the 1st film I just thought folie a deux's story was mediocre. Just watch the 1st one
I knew that from the moment they announced the second movie. It's why I'm in no rush to see this one. All throughout the lead up to the first joker they said this will not get a sequel and is a standalone joker movie no sequels were Even considered before the movie came out. Nobody in their best estimates even thought joker would do the box office it did. And if they tell you they did they are lying to the you and themselves. So it kind of made a sequel happen not because it's called for but because due to the box office of the first one they would be stupid not to do a sequel to the movie you are a potentially leaving money on the table at that point. So you do a sequel
@@rockinrj87 Yeah, like John said in the video, I think the only reason that they did a sequel for this film was because it made a billion at the box office. He is going to rip this movie apart on the Tuesday show. I'll still see it on Thursday afternoon though!
Joker 2 will never beat the first one. But I do like the performances, the musical score, the direction and the suspense. But the ending was dull and it did felt long. Overall, it’s an ok movie.
If John's saying something is terrible enough to unambiguously avoid, that's when you KNOW things are bad. Wow. Sad too, because I do think using musical numbers to highlight Joker's detachment from reality was a cool premise. Real shame nothing good came of it.
Damn that is so disappointing to hear. I was already reluctant on watching it when I heard it was going the musical route, but thought you know that they could pull it off with how well the first one was. And then the trailer came out and I was pretty excited for it. Seems the chase for that sequel hit was for nothing. Shame.
Theres 2 facts that made me think this would happen. 1 was that when Joker was made the director and writer said it was a one off. Then they wrote a 2nd when it made $1B. First one came from an idea and the other came from printing money
I hope the film industry gets shaken down just like hip hop. Directors gotta stop making sequels just because they’re in a rush or for more money. This messes up for everyone 😂
If People said for Joker that Todd Philips took inspiration from Scorsese's Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy, then certainly for this he was inspired by New York New York
I do think the musical aspect could’ve worked. But none of it moved the story forward. It just felt like this film had nothing new to say that wasn’t already said in the first
It's awful. The movie spits on the joker character to make a statement about how it's wrong to sensationalize murderers. That's basically what it is. It's not a movie about how Arthur Fleck becomes the joker, it's a movie about how he doesn't become the joker and why you shouldn't like the joker. It's as if the director was mad at people who liked the first film so he made this movie just to spite them.
Love ya, John, but I would never tell someone to “avoid” a controversial movie. Society thrives on discourse. Tell people to go see it and form their own opinions. The worst takeaway is that this movie pissed you off or you utterly despised every decision it made - in other words it successfully made you feel something and that’s something you can discuss with others
Having just seen it at an AMC Fan First Premiere, I couldn't agree more. Especially as a huge Harley Quinn fan stemming from Arleen Sorkin's inception of the character back in Batman TAS, absolutely nothing about Gaga's "Lee" resembled Harley Quinn except for the fact that they're blondes who put on make-up & act cray-cray. Smh.
The trailers' callbacks to the original movie gave me the impression this was simply product opposed to being an essential progression of the story and the titular character.
I actually really liked it. The musical aspect of it makes perfect sense in Arthur's world. It's visualizing what we already saw in the first one. I do wish they would have skipped like maybe 2 of the numbers to further flesh out the story more but it worked for me.
Not the best movie by any means but doesn’t suck either. Saying it’s pointless kinda emphasizes that you might be missing some heavy marks in the story that help prove the point it’s trying to make.
The point is that Arthur is awkward, off beat. He thinks he’s great but he’s not. I thought the choices were extremely bold and more than likely your let down because your a fan of “ the Joker “ but this was not the point of the character and movie. I don’t think you understood what Todd and Joaquin had in mind. Performances were absolutely stunning and took risky chances as well.
Full disclaimer: I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not going to. So, let me get this straight. With the first Joker movie, you finally get to a point where he sort of becomes the Joker at the end of the movie. With the second one, they decided to go with a freaking musical and not turn Joker into the chaos he is in the comics? Jeez, who would have thought this was a good idea? As soon as they mentioned a musical, I knew this movie was going to suck. Jesus, what is it with these idiot producers, directors, and writers trying so hard to come up with something so far from the original material? They are trying to be so "clever," but at the end of the day, they shot themselves in the foot and look like nothing but a bunch of fools. This is one of the few times that WB should have stepped in and stopped the director from making this movie or the direction they were going for. Jesus, it doesn't take a scientist to understand that this was going to be a pile of junk. Why is it so hard for them to understand this?
The first one was a good movie, the sequel is awful, that's the point, it might not joker from comic but if it's good we'll happy, but the sequel is bad.
@@fillah4910 yeah i thought this could have really worked too if they used this movie as bringing him to become the joker we all know. We could have even got a batman appearance at some point but they sort of ruined that in the first one making bruce Wayne a child. It just seems a bit pointless now as a whole.
Thank you for being an honest man. Most reviewers that I saw review this movie stand at the screen lying through their teeth and we can see their dignity slowly going away for a dollar.
@@MISCHIVUS All up to you. But if you really want to see it and you feel like this isn't worth going to see on theaters you can wait until it's on streaming. Just a suggestion
This is why i love your content... You're truly honest with your opinions, because i recall you were so optimistic about this Joker 2 movie, but at the end of the day, if the movie sucks, you always say it... willing to see the full review at the show
John I totally agree with everything you said it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen made absolutely no sense love your show and your commentaries.👍
Doesn't sound like that's the real problem at all, though. The real problem seems to be that they had no story to mesh with the musical. Like West Side Story without a plotline.
The problem is not a musical, but the story, there is no actual story in it, the movie is more about talking about the 1st movie event, and suddenly the ending makes the 1st movie pointless.
@@mightguy3118 I know, I just thought the filmmaking style and the overall plot looked good. Although it was just a trailer. I will still see it to form my own opinion, but I usually agree with Campea on most projects.
Unless he signed a contract, there's not really anything forcing him to make the movie. If he didn't want to make it, I'm sure the studios could have given it off to some other director. So rebelling against the audience is kinda silly. Just don't take the job.
Saw it last night, thought it was pretty good! I will say I wish it cut some of the music out of it. It should’ve stuck to have maybe 1 or two songs. The ending was crazy. It worked for me! Loved lady Gaga! She killed it as always!
This is the perfect example of not all movies need sequels. The first movie was a gem. It was the perfect stand alone movie. I definitely will not be seeing Joker 2.
I meant that's also true of Empire Strikes Back and that worked out fine. Having an arbitrary sequel isn't the worst problem - it's how you execute it.
I'll reserve final judgment for this sequel AFTER I watch it, but I'm reminded of my (and others) skepticism when the sequel was announced; what more could possibly be done, especially with the way "Joker" ended?
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Basically we need to hire Todd Phillips for something new every few years and don't bring him back for sequels.
100% agree. The non musical portions of this movie were compelling and I wish he could apply that to a different franchise or his own original story.
I loved the Hangover sequels TBH
@@tmovies92 part 2 was hilarious
Has Todd Phillips even done "new"?
Due Date is just a tamer Planes, Trains & Automobile. War Dogs is just a lesser Lord of War mixed with Wolf of Wall Street. And of course, Joker is just a poor man's Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy mashed together.
If we need to hire him at all
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Same. I was really looking forward to it too.
I get that, I understood that reference
Yea cause the first Joker is actually my favorite movie oat
Yeaaa, I think I’m going to really go on about my life pretending Joker 2 doesn’t exist. When someone asks me about it, I’m going to legit be like “What’s that?” like I’m Bernard from Westworld. 😂
Same
I felt the same way walking out of this movie. Unfortunately the movie was made it seems with no narrative purpose. Sort of aimless the cinematography was the best point but everything else seems hallow and empty.. sometimes even boring. The first trailer really showed the energy it could of had but a courtroom drama rehashing the first movie was not interesting and seemed pointless from a sequel story standpoint. Also this movie costing 200 million dollars in lunacy.
Wonder if warner bros will be pushing lady gaga to oscars, golden globes and sag awards for this performance 😊
@@jamiehigginbotham20022Lady Gaga might have used up all her goodwill from A Star is Born with this horrible role. Don’t worry Margot Robbie, people will still think of you as the default Harley Quinn.
You've got to be joking. A 🃏 movie with no superhero action or CGI cost as much as the Avengers? Where did all that money go?
😂 gotta appreciate the decisive opinion - “F this piece of garbage”
we all knew it was going to be bad, but until watching some of these reviews, I hadn’t considered what it would have been to actually get a GOOD sequel continuation of this alternate-universe Joker, where the world continues to be fleshed out with the gritty realism tone somewhat like the unique perspective of the Nolan Batman trilogy…
instead they decided to make absolute trash and launder another $200million 🙄
@@jonfreeman9682Joaquin Phoenix got a significant pay raise for this film. From $4.5M for the first movie to $20M here. Director Todd Philips also got a much bigger payday and Gaga doesn't come cheap either.
The sequel was never intended. Clearly, everyone involved agreed. Hopefully, studio executives learn to not force stories that were never desired.
Well, to be fair... a sequel to Toy Story was never intended either. I'd say that worked out just fine.
@@johncampea you're right about that
Why waste everyone's time and money? The studio didn't force anything. Todd Phillips and Phoenix wanted to do a sequel just had a terrible idea.
@@johncampeagood point
Todd Philips 🤝 Poorly thought out sequels
Thank you for saving my money.
because of one persons opinion and not making your own? yikes
@@kovy4win
Because the film looked trash compared to the 1st & why would I waste money on a terrible film. Everyone is saying the same thing.
@@kovy4win that's the internet for you. Most people don't even know how to make their own opinion nowadays. This person for example.
@@kovy4winyeah that’s how reviews work, people see critic reviews and decide whether they want to buy an overpriced ticket or not
So you don't have your own opinion?
Folie a DOO DOO !??
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣
Todd flew too close to the sun
Bit off more than he could chew now this movies about to flop
@@mightguy3118define flop? This movie will definitely cross 500 mill no way flop in any stretch of Imagination
@@krsurakshith6311 Probably won't be a flop, but I doubt it's going to have legs if the critical and public perception is just that bad.
Off topic, I thought your profile pic was a hair on my screen and I just tried to wipe it off lol.
@@krsurakshith6311 i doubt that
Oof. I’m seeing it on Wednesday. Based on what you’re saying I’m surprised it has like a 60% on RT. Might be one of those where you either like it or hate it. But I’m still looking forward to it. Got to leave those expectations at the door and judge the film on its own
Some people loved it me being one. I’m actually shocked to see at the negative reviews. It was unhinged and fun. It is very different than the firs but to say it’s terrible is not accurate it was amazing
The movie hates men, that guarantees it a 20% boost
Just saw the reviews by Jahns and Murrell. Jahns didn't like it and Dan was more positive but with some asterisks attached. It seems like certain creative decisions make or break the experience for each viewer. Can't say I'm surprised about it, given how the first film was structured.
Exactly, so many are judging it for what they wanted it to be and not for what its trying to be.
@@Alex_Logan22 what it’s trying to be is a middle finger to the disenfranchised men who made the first a success
If DC Studios decides to do more Black Label based films, they should be one-shots with no sequels.
The "gotta make more money" argument makes no sense given the ending. The studio would've never allowed that ending if the point of this movie was to make more money. The musical segments were also deep dives into his psyche that helped tell his story, that argument makes no sense either.
I'm a massive DC fan and I hate this movie with a passion of rage. It runs the original while giving a huge middle finger to DC fans.
Can someone tell me how did this movie cost 200 million dollars
I smell some laundering
Well start with hiring Gaga and phoenix. Then add in set design and special effects.
The Hangover (2) effect
Reshoots often balloon budgets
Agree, you are catching on.
@@educate3d Naw. Just watch some fan made RUclips movies and you can see they are money laundering.
Todd Phillips got too clever. I'm sure he thought he could ditch 80 years of Joker history and do his own thing: BIG mistake.
Oof. That’s disappointing
I was expecting it to be awful, tbh. The bitter cynic in me is actually quite pleased, because I was against there being a sequel right from the start (it's a great standalone movie, it'd be very hard to do any kind of sequel without completely ruining the ambiguity of the first one), and I spat out my drink comically when I first heard it was going to be a goddamn musical. I was slightly encouraged by the trailer which tbf did look really good, but yeah, overall I was expecting it to suck and here we are🤷♂ I'm not even sure if I'll bother watching it, frankly, because the last thing I want is my enjoyment of the original tarnished. I mean, I probably will, just out of curiosity. But it'll almost certainly be joining Dial of Destiny, No Time To Die and Matrix Resurrections on my list of "whelp, that never actually happened in my personal headcanon"...
We all knew it was gonna be bad.
You don't even know amd that ending😂
The minute I knew this movie was going to suck was when the director admitted that he, Joaquin Phoenix and others had to do basically a NFL huddle to rewrite and recontextualize the *basic premise of the movie* multiple times. If you have to constantly rethink and reconceptualize the basic foundation of your sequel, that is an unnecessary sequel.
Correct. If you don't have an obvious idea for a sequel, don't do it. Sometimes it takes time to hammer out a good version of an idea but you need a good idea to start with.
To add, Todd never had any true intentions of a sequel even before the first film
Saw it as well, I'll put it this way..... the ending wasn't divisive it's that by the time it reached it's conclusion I just didn't care anymore. I loved the 1st film I just thought folie a deux's story was mediocre. Just watch the 1st one
I think I'm mostly intrigued to see this just to see how it ends. 🤔
@TheNetflixNook definitely check it out, the musical elements are actually well done.
Wow, so it sounds like Joker 2 was just a money grab for the studio and Joaquin Phoenix! 😱😱😱😱😱
I knew that from the moment they announced the second movie. It's why I'm in no rush to see this one. All throughout the lead up to the first joker they said this will not get a sequel and is a standalone joker movie no sequels were Even considered before the movie came out. Nobody in their best estimates even thought joker would do the box office it did. And if they tell you they did they are lying to the you and themselves. So it kind of made a sequel happen not because it's called for but because due to the box office of the first one they would be stupid not to do a sequel to the movie you are a potentially leaving money on the table at that point. So you do a sequel
@@rockinrj87 Yeah, like John said in the video, I think the only reason that they did a sequel for this film was because it made a billion at the box office. He is going to rip this movie apart on the Tuesday show. I'll still see it on Thursday afternoon though!
@@aarong3000 I'm going to wait for it to come on streaming and I have a list
@@aarong3000all movies are cash grabs
@@rockinrj87It probably won't be on Max until like 2025 though!
Wow! Love the honest, straight to the point review.
THZ for the honesty!
Joker 2 will never beat the first one.
But I do like the performances, the musical score, the direction and the suspense.
But the ending was dull and it did felt long.
Overall, it’s an ok movie.
You should tell me what happens at the end
@@jamoeclopton1939Use some punctuation bro.
@@jamoeclopton1939Uhm, you do realize it’s fine for movies to just be “ok”, right?
Thanks so much for your honest review. I just love your channel & content.
If John's saying something is terrible enough to unambiguously avoid, that's when you KNOW things are bad. Wow. Sad too, because I do think using musical numbers to highlight Joker's detachment from reality was a cool premise. Real shame nothing good came of it.
That’s his opinion smh no matter how bad he says it is that don’t mean you won’t like it 🤣
@@uncledonel1742 I know there’s no arguing. Thanks for you’re opinion. 😊
@@Tman_Lee John is pretty optimistic usually so it's probably a bad sign that most people won't like it.
0:42 basically JOKER 2 is a bollywood movie.....
Tollywood movie
Trash
basically JOKER 2 is a musical starring Lady Gaga directed by Todd Howard 😂
Aiyyo idli?
I would rather watch a bollywood movie than re-watch this flaming disaster.
Wow, I mean I wasn’t quite sure if this would be a very good movie either but *sucks?!?* Ouch
It was good just kinda heads into a lot of things that doesn’t live up to
Well if you lower your expectations then it's still okay. Just can't measure up to the first.
@@jonfreeman9682 it’s just annoying how much they build up just to have the ending that it did.
Lady Gaga involved and being musical was a head scratcher from the start.
Damn that is so disappointing to hear. I was already reluctant on watching it when I heard it was going the musical route, but thought you know that they could pull it off with how well the first one was. And then the trailer came out and I was pretty excited for it. Seems the chase for that sequel hit was for nothing. Shame.
Thank you for sharing. I wasnt planning on seeing but appteciate everyones takes and reviews
Thank God I am not alone. John i agree 100%
A lot of people doing these out of theater reactions didn't like the movie. This is about to flop badly lmao
Doing reviews right out of the movie theater in the parking lot is genius no joke
I said the exact same thing walking out at first I thought it would be good but man it went downhill the ending makes you question its existence
Well it might get better on second viewing. You probably didn't catch all the deeper meaning on first watch so it went over you.
@@jonfreeman9682 the deeper meaning is why waste people's money on a movie thats called the joker and doesnt have any joker in it
its like robbing the fans
Theres 2 facts that made me think this would happen. 1 was that when Joker was made the director and writer said it was a one off. Then they wrote a 2nd when it made $1B. First one came from an idea and the other came from printing money
This only gets me more excited to check it out 😆
I can't wait
its so bad please save your money
@@TheEpicZombie Don't care, I'm just gonna use one of my free Cinemark tickets
@@parzivalreviews9212 I don't care seriously even the bad reviews make me want to see all the more
I hope the film industry gets shaken down just like hip hop. Directors gotta stop making sequels just because they’re in a rush or for more money. This messes up for everyone 😂
If People said for Joker that Todd Philips took inspiration from Scorsese's Taxi Driver & The King of Comedy, then certainly for this he was inspired by New York New York
Joker 2 is trash
You mean the story is trash, the acting is great the cinematography is great, so it's not trash it just has problems
Have you seen it
@@cordcuttercam no but I've heard about it, and it's not the movie itself that's bad it's the story
@@cordcuttercam the acting is good
So a studio cash grab 🤑 with rehashed ideas to milk the antihero fans.
Who would've thought John may end up liking Megalopolis more than Folie a Duex 😅
Based on the reviews I've seen of Megalopolis - it's equally bad.
Can't wait for his out of theatre reaction
You were right.
I do think the musical aspect could’ve worked. But none of it moved the story forward. It just felt like this film had nothing new to say that wasn’t already said in the first
I really appreciate your honesty! That's why I'm a subscriber-thanks John
It can't be this bad. It can't. Can it???
I don't think it is that bad, I think it's an overreaction it just isn't as good as the first one imo
It's awful.
The movie spits on the joker character to make a statement about how it's wrong to sensationalize murderers. That's basically what it is. It's not a movie about how Arthur Fleck becomes the joker, it's a movie about how he doesn't become the joker and why you shouldn't like the joker. It's as if the director was mad at people who liked the first film so he made this movie just to spite them.
@@StevenE-l9y thats a shame, I'm gonna check it out to see it
@Mr.JakeSkywalker no but people who have seen it have said exactly that
Yes, it can be. This is reality where every option is available including the really terrible ones.
Nothing beats the dark knight
Joker 2 is the movie Joker 1 fans deserve
thats a dirty statement
I think some of you dont get it. If the movie is not what you want it sucks, thats not the case. Is a well thoughtout piece of art. Is not pointless.
Love ya, John, but I would never tell someone to “avoid” a controversial movie.
Society thrives on discourse.
Tell people to go see it and form their own opinions.
The worst takeaway is that this movie pissed you off or you utterly despised every decision it made - in other words it successfully made you feel something and that’s something you can discuss with others
thanks for watching it and saving me some $$ 😂
I feel you John. I remember looking at my watch constantly hoping it would end soon. Haven't been this disappointed in a movie in a long long time.
I can’t wait to see this I know I’m gonna love it ‼️
Guess im waiting until it releases on max. Thanks john 👍
Having just seen it at an AMC Fan First Premiere, I couldn't agree more. Especially as a huge Harley Quinn fan stemming from Arleen Sorkin's inception of the character back in Batman TAS, absolutely nothing about Gaga's "Lee" resembled Harley Quinn except for the fact that they're blondes who put on make-up & act cray-cray. Smh.
Thank you John!
The trailers' callbacks to the original movie gave me the impression this was simply product opposed to being an essential progression of the story and the titular character.
Joker 2: Fail A Duh
I actually really liked it. The musical aspect of it makes perfect sense in Arthur's world. It's visualizing what we already saw in the first one. I do wish they would have skipped like maybe 2 of the numbers to further flesh out the story more but it worked for me.
Ok , thanks , I’ll wait and download it later
Oh no John!!! Will def tune to the JCS today and join the conversation
i saw Joker 2 tonight. i thought it was great 😂 and thats alright with me
it was made for the gays
Same here
same I really enjoyed it
How though? Honestly. What do you like about it?
@Mr.JakeSkywalker I max fan experience yesterday .
Thanks for your sincerity John. Someone has to say it.
SO EXCITED TO watch it❤
Agree completely!
that ending scene, Jacob Lofland l, Arthur inmate acting was incredible, 😮😮 absolutely chilling.
I feel like Todd Philips try to do a beetle juice 2 in Hawaii except this time the studio said
“A musical that’s genius, here a blank check “ lol
I knew it since I saw that Gaga was going to be in the movie, for me that was a big Red Flag. I don’t know but she’s not made for this kind of movies.
hmmm as crazy as she used to look in her music videos you would think she would fit the role.. guess not
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Jon say you should directly avoid a movie.
Not the best movie by any means but doesn’t suck either. Saying it’s pointless kinda emphasizes that you might be missing some heavy marks in the story that help prove the point it’s trying to make.
The point is that Arthur is awkward, off beat. He thinks he’s great but he’s not. I thought the choices were extremely bold and more than likely your let down because your a fan of “ the Joker “ but this was not the point of the character and movie. I don’t think you understood what Todd and Joaquin had in mind. Performances were absolutely stunning and took risky chances as well.
I was looking forward to watching it on Friday but looks like I’ll have to swerve it,cheers John
I still want to see it but Phoenix did say they would show up and make up stuff on the spot during shooting.
I love the first Joker too but Folie à deux is complete ass
When they first announced it was a musical red flags popped up for me. Good thing my spidey senses are still working
Full disclaimer: I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not going to. So, let me get this straight. With the first Joker movie, you finally get to a point where he sort of becomes the Joker at the end of the movie. With the second one, they decided to go with a freaking musical and not turn Joker into the chaos he is in the comics? Jeez, who would have thought this was a good idea? As soon as they mentioned a musical, I knew this movie was going to suck. Jesus, what is it with these idiot producers, directors, and writers trying so hard to come up with something so far from the original material? They are trying to be so "clever," but at the end of the day, they shot themselves in the foot and look like nothing but a bunch of fools. This is one of the few times that WB should have stepped in and stopped the director from making this movie or the direction they were going for. Jesus, it doesn't take a scientist to understand that this was going to be a pile of junk. Why is it so hard for them to understand this?
The first one was a good movie but it wasnt a good joker movie. Arthur fleck is not a rendition of the Joker from batman
The first one was a good movie, the sequel is awful, that's the point, it might not joker from comic but if it's good we'll happy, but the sequel is bad.
@@fillah4910 yeah i thought this could have really worked too if they used this movie as bringing him to become the joker we all know. We could have even got a batman appearance at some point but they sort of ruined that in the first one making bruce Wayne a child. It just seems a bit pointless now as a whole.
still going to check it out Friday!
Folks didn't like The Hangover 2 & 3 and I enjoyed them.
I can't wait to see it too idc what he says Ill decide for myself
@tmovies92 I enjoyed the Hangover 2 but I hated the Hangover 3. I couldn’t stand the Alan character in that film.
Man, after hearing this, I'm really curious to see it now! 🎭 But also kinda worried if it lives up to the first one. Gotta have that magic, right? 🎥
Not surprised at all. I wasn't even sold after watching the trailer...
I loved the first one but I hated this one. I thought it was shit and I wish it hadn’t been made
It’s peak lil bro
@@Bingchilling11 I’m glad you liked it, but it didn’t work for me
@@Bingchilling11Yeah if you have no standards
Thank you for being an honest man. Most reviewers that I saw review this movie stand at the screen lying through their teeth and we can see their dignity slowly going away for a dollar.
When they first announced it would be a musical I knew we were in trouble
Your opinion alone is making me re think about going to see it. I trust your reviews and I don't want to waste money lol
No one opinion should matter but your own
@@Lazarus425Yeah but sometimes you take what someone says and save your money
@@ericsilva-gomez2481 "save money" probably like 10 bucks lol
@@MISCHIVUS All up to you. But if you really want to see it and you feel like this isn't worth going to see on theaters you can wait until it's on streaming. Just a suggestion
@@Lazarus425 no reason to give money and support a GARBAGE movie.
Can’t wait for your Megalopolis review
Here's a simple review for you: If the best bad movies are the ones that try to be good and fail, Megalopolis is the best bad movie ever made.
@@rodriguez1025 I’ve seen the movie. I was hoping to hear HIS thoughts on it.
This is why i love your content... You're truly honest with your opinions, because i recall you were so optimistic about this Joker 2 movie, but at the end of the day, if the movie sucks, you always say it... willing to see the full review at the show
John I totally agree with everything you said it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen made absolutely no sense love your show and your commentaries.👍
Everyone should have seen this coming there didn't need a sequel
Who thought it was a good idea making it a musical 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yep dumb idea
Doesn't sound like that's the real problem at all, though. The real problem seems to be that they had no story to mesh with the musical. Like West Side Story without a plotline.
The problem is not a musical, but the story, there is no actual story in it, the movie is more about talking about the 1st movie event, and suddenly the ending makes the 1st movie pointless.
Damn, going to see it with an open mind. But hate to see a reaction like this to a film I thought had such potential from the trailers.
Don't take trailers 100% serious. It's not hard to make a bad movie look good through a trailer.
@@mightguy3118 I know, I just thought the filmmaking style and the overall plot looked good. Although it was just a trailer. I will still see it to form my own opinion, but I usually agree with Campea on most projects.
holy moly is that the AMC in Riverside CA?? no way ,youre from out here! ?😱
Thanks John for being honest. I’ve seen a couple other RUclipsrs dance around saying it sucked for some reason in their own reaction video.
Essentially, Phillips didn't want to do a sequel so this is him rebelling against the audience.
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Unless he signed a contract, there's not really anything forcing him to make the movie. If he didn't want to make it, I'm sure the studios could have given it off to some other director. So rebelling against the audience is kinda silly. Just don't take the job.
@Jigglypoof He may have done it to prevent any other director touching his creation.
Saw it last night, thought it was pretty good! I will say I wish it cut some of the music out of it. It should’ve stuck to have maybe 1 or two songs. The ending was crazy. It worked for me! Loved lady Gaga! She killed it as always!
Ugh. Refunding my ticket. So sad! (Joker enthusiast here.)
This is the perfect example of not all movies need sequels. The first movie was a gem. It was the perfect stand alone movie. I definitely will not be seeing Joker 2.
So it’s hangover 2 all over again
I was looking forward to this one. Ah well, I'll wait for it to be on streaming to see it
Why am I not surprised? They forced this sequel. The first Joker was meant to be a one and done story.
I meant that's also true of Empire Strikes Back and that worked out fine. Having an arbitrary sequel isn't the worst problem - it's how you execute it.
Having heard about the leaked spoilers, your mention of the ending only confirms them, haha.
Thank you for saving my time.
Thanks for straight -shooter review, Mr C
I'll reserve final judgment for this sequel AFTER I watch it, but I'm reminded of my (and others) skepticism when the sequel was announced; what more could possibly be done, especially with the way "Joker" ended?
Thanks! You saved me money!
The first review I heard that’s not sugarcoating 😂