I don’t think TDB was bad, but time hasn’t been the kindest to it. We’ve had $10 seasons that have had more content than TDB (Opulence is the first that comes to mind).
People seem to forget in the halo 3 and modern warfare 1 days we used to pay $10 for a map pack with 3-4 pvp maps. And that was it. A map pack plus campaign plus a raid with 2 difficulty modes plus 13 exotics plus strikes plus a higher light cap for an extra $10? It was absolutely worth it.
@@evanf1997 definitely think tracking an expansion-by-expansion history of destiny; gauging community sentiment, playerbase attitudes, etc. and maybe have a sister-series for seasons, or combine seasons into the video for the same years expansion. Your content is just too good, having the history of destiny expansions, releases, and seasons chronicled so well is just perfect.
I really miss the little teasers we used to get in the live game about the coming content. Shortly before The Dark Below came out, we saw those groups of Hive spawning in the live game that had the chance to drop Husk of the Pit, which you would eventually need for the raid exotic. We saw something similar before House of Wolves, but then they stopped. The only other one of these I can remember is the spawns before Black Armory that could drop the refurbished Black Armory versions that had glitched perk drops like double rampage.
@@Knights0fBlood they both inflict the same emotion. So you can be horrified and scared and still have the same feeling. Yes they mean different things but in reality if you're scared or horrified you're gonna have the same reaction more or less depending on the scenario
I was still blown away by the concept of Destiny, so The Dark Below took that further for me. I’ll always have good memories about Crota’s End. I did it before I did VOG so it’s a bit special to me.
I've just realized what I've missed so much about destiny, it's the not knowing how to get stuff, like seeing a new path in a strike and finding out about black spindle or turning in a bounty and getting 3 to choose from and you don't know what you'll get and you don't know what's left to find and that kept the game fresh for me for years
Love the videos man! For any future ones referencing guns and that, the dark below gun the husk of the pit turns into is eidolon ally with eidolon being Ancient Greek for spirit/ghost/ image of a dead person, ally being normal language for a friend so it’s supposed to be a ghost on your side 👍 not a Harry Potter reference
I remember we did flawless raider 2-man on Crota. Me and my friends John were not sure that our other friends will not die for entire raid, so we did 2-man flawless. I will forever remember that bridge skip with striker titan from the top of the tower)
“Bliss of the unknown” perfectly encapsulates the biggest problem with the seasonal model. While I understand Destiny is a much more established game now, it no longer has the excitement of the unknown. The game is too predictable, and not in a good way either. First season of Witch Queen was a battleground centered around Hive Guardian subordinates. First season of Lightfall was a battleground centered around Shadow Legion Cabal subordinates. Second season of Witch Queen was a destination activity on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. Second season of Lightfall is going to take place on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. This is a trend likely to continue with the last two seasons of Lightfall. The only two surprises in the last 4 expansions were the Corridors of Time and the Witch Queen campaign. The free yearly raid was a nice addition but we were told about them in advance. Plus I don’t believe free content is something we need to clap for or be thankful about when the game is free to play. Especially when you consider the fact that by the end of 2019 we had 3 free to play raids, while by the end of 2023 we will still only have 3 free to play raids.
I honestly loved Dark Below. The Raid was great, the exotics were great, the crucible maps were excellent, and this was just the start of more to come. House of Wolves is imo one of the best expansions we ever got in Destinys history.
I wouldn't say the best, but HOW was a good further intor to the Awoken outside the intro cutscenes in D1, I like HOW and DB for further laying a ecent foundation with D1 for future story developments for Taken King onward, I do wish we could still fight randomly spawnin House of Wolves troops and pick up the bounties for their commanders. WOuld have been really fun for whenever I replay House of WOlves, maybe have it be that they're all available with Petra and update them to scale to near your level, you can run through them all and they'd reset each week.
Ngl, when you show that clip of farming Draksis for exotics by killing yourself I felt an uber wave of nostalgia remember when that first came out. I also remember farming Omnigul in that little room for a fuckload of Grasp of Malocks. Those were indeed the days of magic.
If we're crucifying Lightfall for being "that bad" then The Dark Below absolutely was that bad. A cool exotic quest and pvp maps are not saving it. If we're treating it like a big season, i could get behind praising it a bit. people are nostalgic for the memories and destiny being "fresh", nothing more.
it brought way more stuff than lightfall tbh, if you just look at the amount of exotics that were added. also some crucible maps added in tdb are still in the game to this day.
I’ve been playing since the beginning and it always makes me laugh hearing people sing the praises of D1’s DLC, or discount how disappointing they were at the time, as if there wasn’t a chorus of people complaining about the lack of things to do through all of D1. Rose tinted glasses, as they say.
although I never had the opportunity to play D1, what I can take from this video is that despite the fact that TDB did not have much content, what was really worth it was the experience (and some of the most relevant exotics in the Destiny story). It's also worth mentioning that considering the price, budget, and creative freedom Bungie had with Lightfall, it seems to me that the criticism is justified since they're charging you $60 for a subclass, a nice landscape, and a ticket to Trials and not much more
@@blasvallejos1656 criticism is always justified especially with bungie's recent business models. but recently its just been a lot of fawning over "the good old days" while excusing the numerous issues of those days with the same talking points you giving me now, "the experience, the vibes, ect." when it really just be nostalgia. and thats cool but say that then. you didn't play d1 so im not really talking to you, but then again a lot of people didn't play d1 and claim to miss them old days. the community of this game is never pleased lol
@@k3nnyisgood238 well yes its true that a lot of the praise for D1 is driven by nostalgia but still, bungie should have learned from their mistakes in TDB and do a proper "filler" expansion, lightfall its agrat example of the same mistake being repeated but in this case its not the exotics carrying the expansion but strand. I feel like the "this community is never pleased" stopped working when bungie started to give us just a fraction of what they used to and we still praise them because "they are going in the right direction with this or that" in fact i said that a large portion of the comunity its too indulgent with bungie or just complain and then dont do anything about it
I remember going in underleveled and being forced to use my sniper to get kills. I miss level advantage in iron banner, it really felt like cheating the system going in there barely able to do damage and still getting kills and farming high level gear😂
I still think that dark below is disappointing because its short narrative does a huge disservice to the bigger picture that would later unfold in destiny future. We were fighting the hive god the destroyed out moon and we basically snuff out part of him in a small room and finally kill him in a short raid that feels like a dungeon. Definitely doesn't do justice to the lore. Also Dark Below had some pretty annoying changes to the economy. I still hate when we had to grind commendations to buy legendaries and our exotics had to be upgraded with a new currency at a high price. Even if we got full vendor refreshes and a whole bunch of exotics, it wasn't enough to justify the price.
House of wolves is next? For me this dlc has the most hard pve end game activity of all destiny 1 and 2. Forget about GMs on year one with Jhon Cena. Prison of elders is the most challenging activity of all times
But, it's not a reference to Harry Potter. It's pronounced "eye-dole-un al-eye", meaning an idolized teammate. Otherwise, great video. When it came out, it felt a little like a rip-off, but, looking back, the content was enjoyable with friends. I just wish that it wasn't almost mandatory to cheese Crota at the beginning... LFG groups were borderline impossible to keep together if you didn't cheese him...
i cant watch the video right now but doesnt it have the same content as season of the haunted? 5-7 story missions a dungeon (i know its a raid but i bought a xbox and went back and almost solo'd it barring that i could not find a good guide explaning how to solo crota so calling it a raid is giving it to much praise)
Content wise no. Being on disc content locked behind a paywall shortly after players already dished out $60? Yeah. Yeah it was bad. And the vitriol Bungie and Activision received for it probably just led to all these other games conveniently having post launch DLC that would probably have been on disc and charged for later. But developers/publishers got wise after that and kept the dlc off the initial release versions.
I really wish they made legendry's hard to get agian rather than handing them out like they're blues. And honestly in D1 I think blues were even more rare than legendry's in d2
2:10 little did we know that Bungie have always been the worst culprits when it comes to price, and they would only get greedier and greedier, which we still haven’t seen the peak of.
It's Eidolon Ally as in an Eidolon who is your ally, not an alleyway =P I only played D1 after D2 launched. It's something my clan boots up sometimes if we're bored of D2 but want to play still. But given what I've heard, and what you describe here, it sounds like I would have liked it. I never held with the notion that because map assets exist in a game behind a locked door, means that later use of those assets is a cash grab. Development is a long and complex process and sometimes things start and stop at odd times. I do wish there was a way to keep unused assets like this out of the game until they're in use though, because it ends up spoiling things when people inevitably OOB their way inside. Great vid! I love the journalism and historian role you've taken on and I think it adds a great deal of value to the community that isn't offered by other channels or creators!
I though the OOBs were so fun at the time, you could also get certain dead ghosts already by OOBing. It felt like a whole different part of the game to explore, never understood people complaining about it.
@@SpicyCheeseSpread I don't mind it too much as long as it's optional and folks are considerate of others when it comes to spoilers. I generally seek them all out unless they're related to raids or new dungeons. Where it gets over the top is when things like raid zones and new dungeons or major story beats are discovered through it.
I enjoyed TDB as well as HOW DLC's. D1 in my opinion, was the exact game we all needed. It's what go us all emerged in this universe. I would much rather have D1 back than play D2, my own personal opinion of course. I get that D2 has progressed the game and intricacies of the game.....I just prefer D1. I feel like the friends I made because of the game played D1 more consistently than anyone does D2 these days
Just like in D1 how we got new areas and planets with new mystery, we need to get that back in D2. Also the devs shouldn’t feel the need to show us where to get every item, stop holding our hands and hide more things that get discovered by grind and community.
Destiny was still in its what i like to call it mysterious stage. When no one new nothing. Players found there was a white gun dropping and farmed it just cause. Fun times 😂
I don't hate Dark Below, sure it's the weakest story, but nw that you no longer need to buy it seperate from D1 makes it better. Plus it gave us an intro story for Eris, and laid the groudn work for leading into Taken King and other story beats in D2.
Despite enjoying gambit since it first came out. I have to disagree with you as I remember season of the drifter (season 6) and playing only gambit for an entire season wasn't fun.
@@Ace_Gunner your correct, however it's overshadowed by burnout because it was the only thing to do for an entire season. Coupled with abysmal drop rates for some weapons and people quitting if they failed the bridge section on a tier 2 or 3 run.
Will always hold a special place in my heart just due to the fact that i started playing during this period in the game. It also didnt really let me down because it wasnt a new release for me, it was just... another chunk of content i had, because i got it alongside the base game. For me its linked so inherently to my initial days getting into the franchise.
I actually loved Crota's End. Doing Hard Mode at 31 and not being carried. Abolutely amazing looking armour, especially for my Hunter. Doing solo flawless during HoW times for the achievement. Nearly failing a kill once because swordbearer died and I rushed in to grab it to kill Crota. Doing the Age of Triumphs version when it came out and having so much practice as swordbearer that I made the challenge a cake walk. So many good memories from it.
I started Destiny like a week before Dark Below came out, so I have a lot of nostalgia for this expansion. Having said that, it was eh, especially since I didn’t raid when I first got the game.
Man, I miss the old Destiny community. "We payed full price for a game, why are you implementing a BS cosmetic shop? We're not buying this" "$20 For a DLC that adds almost nothing? Forget it, this is robbery" When did Destiny players stop having any self-respect? Hell, even I'm guilty of this. I payed $40 for the base D2 game. $20 for Curse of Osiris, $20 for Warmind. $30 for Forsaken, $30 for Shadowkeep. $20 for the Seasonal. $30 for the Legacy Collection and $30 for Lightfall. I've spent $220 on Destiny 2. And I don't have full access to the game.
The Dark Below’s thing isn’t that it’s a big story expansion, but that it is designed to help set up the coming storms. TBD, House of Wolves, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, Shadowkeep, and Lightfall are all just little expansions that set up and occasionally foreshadow the even bigger expansions coming ahead. House of Wolves and TBD set up The Taken King. Curse, Warmind, and Shadowkeep all helped to set up Beyond Light and the coming of the Witness. Lightfall is probably setting up Final Shape.
NOW HERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. My answer is different bcuz of my start date. I began D1 when wrath of machines released. For me, there was everything to do n if I had to pay 20 to continue into TDB knowing there was more... Yeah it's worth it bcuz it means progressing further into a great franchise ending with Taken King
Destiny 2 New Light here, just played through Destiny: The Collection over the last month and a half. I would say from a future player's perspective, The Dark Below is probably the worst or at least most barebones Destiny DLC. House of Wolves has similarly sparse storytelling but features a new social space and new characters. The Dark Below introduces one new character and sends you back to a couple new locations in the same worlds as the base game. It feels like a couple missions tacked onto the main campaign, and that's probably exactly what it was - a Hive storyline originally intended for the main campaign that had to be cut out and finished after the game went gold. This is even more obvious with House of Wolves, but the latter is expansive enough that it justifies itself as a standalone DLC expansion (Bungie & Activision's own term: EXPANSION) than The Dark Below, which retrospectively just feels like a weak prologue to The Taken King.
"You could upgrade it to the Eiedon Alley, a reference to Harry Potter's Diagon Alley" - lolwut? No. No. No. _Eidolon_ (read it carefully), meaning "spectre" or "phantom", is also used in reference to the nightmares on the moon: every Season of the Haunted armor piece has "Eidolon Pursuant" in its name. It can also mean the quintessential or idealized version of something (as is implied in the Eidolon Bird sparrow's flavour text, "on holy wings you fly"). In either case, an "Eidolon Ally" is certainly the type of ally we'd want to take with us to fight the horrors on the Moon. (Speaking of which, "ally", as in someone fighting on your side of a battle, is pronounced entirely differently from "alley", as in narrow road between buildings.) I'm not here to pick on your dyslexia, but dude, pay attention to the lore and stop making things up.
I'd say this DLC was just awfully mid, it wasn't THAT bad (like say, Curse of Osiris bad). It's just that the timing, the discovery of hidden cut content and the fact that it was $20 ($35 as a whole if you bought the season pass) just made the community angry (and whilst having beautiful visuals as always, Crota's End was too easy to be called a raid, and if Bungo ever brought it back to D2 it should be as a dungeon.) and rightfully so.
I don't know about everyone else, but I had very good RNG for the Crux haha people said it was worse than Mythoclasts drop rate at a point. How you mentioned strikes back in D1 brought it all back. Never really have it the same these days. And I'm still awaiting the day they bring Longbow and LDR back. RIP
Great video, just one irk. Eidolon Ally: Eye-doh-lon Ah-lie. Eidolon is Greek for spirit or phantom, or idealized person. And we know Ally means friend or companion. It's Phantom (ghost/imaginary) Friend. Not a Harry Potter reference at all, unfortunately. I'm not sure how that conclusion was made 😅
Just recall what you never obtained in the micro expansions you thought were bad… Dark Below had incredible hive themed armor from Eris. HoW had amazing faction gear that was top notch Curse of Osiris had the *BEST* armor ornaments in the *entire - game* Warmind had the most “Destiny” style raid D2 ever had. There was much that everyone ignores in these amazing expansions
Lemme just say this: Bungie has always been consistently excellent at one thing - trailers. They're so infuriatingly good at making trailers. Final Shape teaser? Damn near sold me instantly on the expansion. Even though I've endured years of Bungie's sub-par story releases thus far, and expect nothing more for Final Shape...the trailer nearly instantly sold me on it.
I started playind Destiny shortly before The Dark Below, I loved every minute of it. It was so mysterous and interesting, I started to hate the Hive in that expansion but I alos loved knowing and learning more about them, that's when I got into the lore of the game as well. And I've done Crota's End so many times it's like an old friend, it was just really fun after the first few times once you learned what to do. I love Destiny still, but there is something about old Destiny 1 that is just magical: the music, the atmosphere, I don't know how to explain it. Also I never got to upgrade Husk of the Pit sadly but in D2 I finally got Thorn, the weapon I wanted the most since D1 so that's a plus.
11:50 First off, its said "Eye-de-lon Al-lie", as in an Alliance with the Eidolon, becoming Allies. There is nothing in Lore OR in any wiki I searched that makes it even remotely relevant to Harry Potter, not to mention the different spelling and pronounciation between Ally and Alley. Don't throw random lore into things if you can't confirm it. Also, really enjoyed the segway into the ad where you talked about your testicles from your childhood. Everyone 100% needed that in their earholes.
For me it’s simple. Dark Below was a 20 dollar Dlc…for what we got I don’t think it was bad. It definitely was a bit underwhelming from my initial expectations but for 20 bucks you can’t really expect S tier quality dlc
I mean, it was 10 bucks. I prefer to pay 10 bucks for this than for a season that will have two exotics, legendaries that I won't care about because destiny 2 has no rarity system and it's basically a game of perks at this point, no weapon or armor feels unique except exotics and we don't exactly get like five of them each season. The seasons don't have actual campaigns which is pretty normal, the strikes of this dlc were pretty good and you know, it had a raid. I mean this was a time were dlcs were quite different and paying 10 bucks for this amount of content didn't seem bad at all, because it really wasn't and since it was a dlc it wasn't redundant like seasons are. And then the other three dlcs each felt longer than the last three dlcs we've had in destiny 2, barring repetitive ass content for no real loot as once again, there ain't no rarity system and the game doesn't add a crazy amount of unique gear each season or dlc. As unpolished as Destiny 1 was in some aspect, it didn't feel like it was effectively stealing money from me like the second does. I wasn't paying the price of a full game for a dlc smaller than an old pokemon game.
Why is it a reference to harry potter? It's eidolon ALLY not alley.. And an eidolon is fitting for destiny's lore. And the answer for the question "was it really that bad" Is yes. Your rose tinted glasses have made you blind because when this dlc came you, you had like 2 days of stuff to do then that was it for basically half a year. It was quite literally the worst time in destiny history
Dark Below first entry into Destiny long ago. Though, at the time, I felt like it was solid. Jumping into Destiny with its vanilla content, plus Dark Below, kept me busy. My only negative comment on this expansion was the story and how short it was; I wish it was expanded a bit more.
Love the effort you put into your videos Evan! However one thing I’d like to point out, I have to stop myself from calling you Dylan 😂, you look just like my cousin and it trips me out all the damn time 😂. I know completely unrelated to the video and completely pointless.
IS IT a reference to Diagon Alley? Or do you just not actually know how to pronounce Eidolon? Destiny content creators and pronouncing things... is it a gag, or just in their nature?! It's a mystery to everyone.
Am I the only person who thinks there should be no season released alongside a main expansion and instead a more delayed start (longer than two weeks) after it drops? I know thats not exactly relevant to the video so I'll add something that is. I liked the dark below for its unique missions and thought the undying mind strike was a lot of fun. I kinda miss the small expansion pass model. One thing I'd love to know though is how Omnigal came back from the dead in RoI.
It's a little weird to hear Evan glaze up stuff like the longbow synthesis (pretty much every legendary weapon model in TDB is a reskin) during a time where players are lighting up neomuna weapons for reskinning moon weapons
from the cut content to the broken raid and the bad exotic quest (looking at you necrochasm like wtf even was that) to the 3 story missions. I say it was really bad and time/low expectations cant and wont change that. At the end of the day, bungie and activation still charged 20$ for it
It's shocking, but nice, how jokey and extroverted you seem when doing sponsors/irl bits when compared to the serious and factual persona you let on during these video essays.
Bruh what. Eidolon Ally is not a fucking reference to Diagon Alley. Two different words. Eidolon Ally means that it's a spectre or ghostly friend. Literally a 2 second google search jfc
Bosses like the Fist of Crota always have me imagine scenarios in my head of what the fight with him would actually be like. Just like how I imagine Last Wish and Riven would be like an anime fight against a dragon like the ending animatic for the raid.
I think "comfort food" is the best term to use for The Dark Below. It may not be the best, but you still enjoy it. I know I did. The Dark Below holds a special place in my mind.
The good old days if only people that started on d2 went to d1 they wouldn’t survive d1 was better as far as when u got an exotic weapon or armor and u screamed if they brought that back so many people would come back and dark below to me was good times with my friends I miss the glory hole
I solo-ed every campaign from D1 about 8 months ago. It was fun. Dark below was pretty good, although I didn’t do any of the raids or anything like that.
You realize it’s ally, not alley, right? Ally, like France was our ally during the revolutionary war. Not the place you can get illicit drugs, out in the back alley.
It’s funny how bungie blamed activision for everything but now they are doing worse things to the game and activision is not present . Who would they blame ?
I'm glad I didn't get into destiny until Taken King, in particular the Taken King's April update. I got a year and a half of amazing destiny content after that point
i think the dark below was a pretty decent dlc at the time, it brought so many new things, and added on a new raid too. i was also like 9 back then too so it seemed a lot more mysterious and whatnot, followed by barely any coverage too on how to do things. idk i liked it but i was also 9
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EYE DOH LAWN AL EYE.
Eye-doe-lon is how Eidolon is pronounced, and it's ally, not alley, as in a friend.
Came here to say this
And Eidolon is (ancient) Greek and means something like "Image".
This was driving me crazy as well. Lol
Lol, I love seeing all of the examples of how illerate Destiny youtubers are.
All memes aside, I genuinely think Bungie should reprise Crota’s End as a dungeon.
they're gonna reprise it as a raid bc that's what it really is. just happened to be easy
@@mercury9060 bungie have already said they aren't bringing back crotas end
@@masondowling5967 They said they won't bring it back as a raid
@@masondowling5967 classic bungie L
@@masondowling5967 bungie also said they would never bring gjalla back 🤷
I don’t think TDB was bad, but time hasn’t been the kindest to it. We’ve had $10 seasons that have had more content than TDB (Opulence is the first that comes to mind).
Not in terms of strikes and crucible maps
Content is still content opulence did provide a decent amount
I think it's the opposite, time might be the biggest benefit of this one, seeing as it focused on core first, story later
Pretty much all seasons have the same amount if not more than TDB
Not really
Mysteries need to come back to destiny
People seem to forget in the halo 3 and modern warfare 1 days we used to pay $10 for a map pack with 3-4 pvp maps. And that was it. A map pack plus campaign plus a raid with 2 difficulty modes plus 13 exotics plus strikes plus a higher light cap for an extra $10? It was absolutely worth it.
I loved the dark below, wish I got crux of Crota though
the "ayadon alley"
The one thing that has stayed constant across my destiny career is the phrase "crotating" for weird boss movement
In the fuckin 8-9 years playing destiny as a whole, this is the first time I've ever heard the phrase "Crotating".
I feel robbed.
@@ASimpleGodzillaFan same
You should do this for each expansion and combine the seasonal stuff together and comment on community sentiment at the time and what not
kinda what he has done already
will be doing house of wolves next, stay tuned
@@evanf1997 definitely think tracking an expansion-by-expansion history of destiny; gauging community sentiment, playerbase attitudes, etc. and maybe have a sister-series for seasons, or combine seasons into the video for the same years expansion. Your content is just too good, having the history of destiny expansions, releases, and seasons chronicled so well is just perfect.
I really miss the little teasers we used to get in the live game about the coming content. Shortly before The Dark Below came out, we saw those groups of Hive spawning in the live game that had the chance to drop Husk of the Pit, which you would eventually need for the raid exotic. We saw something similar before House of Wolves, but then they stopped. The only other one of these I can remember is the spawns before Black Armory that could drop the refurbished Black Armory versions that had glitched perk drops like double rampage.
There was one for rise of iron i think
@@hardluckmk.52 The nanite viruses and Owl Sector :)
I love dark below bro wtf
Same, necrochasm is my favorite d1 exotic
Same bro, doing crota with my homies back in the day was so fun.
Same crota is and always be my favorite thing about destiny
Same
Same grinding them Tuesday morning resets before school😂
This darkness and horror aspect is whats needed for Destiny 2.
bring back the horror.
It was never really scary
@@itskxrda7080 never said scary, said horror.
different things here.
if you dont know the difference go look it up.
@@Knights0fBlood they both inflict the same emotion. So you can be horrified and scared and still have the same feeling. Yes they mean different things but in reality if you're scared or horrified you're gonna have the same reaction more or less depending on the scenario
I was still blown away by the concept of Destiny, so The Dark Below took that further for me.
I’ll always have good memories about Crota’s End.
I did it before I did VOG so it’s a bit special to me.
I've just realized what I've missed so much about destiny, it's the not knowing how to get stuff, like seeing a new path in a strike and finding out about black spindle or turning in a bounty and getting 3 to choose from and you don't know what you'll get and you don't know what's left to find and that kept the game fresh for me for years
exactly, now you know where to get everything and almost nothing is hidden anymore.
Love the videos man! For any future ones referencing guns and that, the dark below gun the husk of the pit turns into is eidolon ally with eidolon being Ancient Greek for spirit/ghost/ image of a dead person, ally being normal language for a friend so it’s supposed to be a ghost on your side 👍 not a Harry Potter reference
Came here to say something along these lines!
that's awesome
Your videos are really high effort. You're one of my favorite D2 content creators
I remember we did flawless raider 2-man on Crota. Me and my friends John were not sure that our other friends will not die for entire raid, so we did 2-man flawless. I will forever remember that bridge skip with striker titan from the top of the tower)
We got way more crucible maps in a DLC than we do with a big release nowadays
TDB is when I came into the game and Crota's end gave me my flawless raider by doing it solo. I have very good memories of this DLC
Same my fire team couldn't be trusted
TDB was a great season with lots of exotics and a decent dungeon
“Bliss of the unknown” perfectly encapsulates the biggest problem with the seasonal model. While I understand Destiny is a much more established game now, it no longer has the excitement of the unknown. The game is too predictable, and not in a good way either. First season of Witch Queen was a battleground centered around Hive Guardian subordinates. First season of Lightfall was a battleground centered around Shadow Legion Cabal subordinates. Second season of Witch Queen was a destination activity on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. Second season of Lightfall is going to take place on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. This is a trend likely to continue with the last two seasons of Lightfall. The only two surprises in the last 4 expansions were the Corridors of Time and the Witch Queen campaign. The free yearly raid was a nice addition but we were told about them in advance. Plus I don’t believe free content is something we need to clap for or be thankful about when the game is free to play. Especially when you consider the fact that by the end of 2019 we had 3 free to play raids, while by the end of 2023 we will still only have 3 free to play raids.
Remember Crota is in the raid because to fully kill a powerful hive you have to kill them in their throne world.
Not sure if that was commonly known at the time.
I honestly loved Dark Below. The Raid was great, the exotics were great, the crucible maps were excellent, and this was just the start of more to come. House of Wolves is imo one of the best expansions we ever got in Destinys history.
I wouldn't say the best, but HOW was a good further intor to the Awoken outside the intro cutscenes in D1, I like HOW and DB for further laying a ecent foundation with D1 for future story developments for Taken King onward, I do wish we could still fight randomly spawnin House of Wolves troops and pick up the bounties for their commanders. WOuld have been really fun for whenever I replay House of WOlves, maybe have it be that they're all available with Petra and update them to scale to near your level, you can run through them all and they'd reset each week.
That is probably the worst HoW take I've ever heard but I respect your opinion.
@@ASimpleGodzillaFan k
Lol bro we pay $100 for unfinished DLC with zero pvp maps. It's sad that Bungie is what it is.
Ngl, when you show that clip of farming Draksis for exotics by killing yourself I felt an uber wave of nostalgia remember when that first came out. I also remember farming Omnigul in that little room for a fuckload of Grasp of Malocks. Those were indeed the days of magic.
House of Wolves was the 1st worth it DLC but the Taken King almost felt like a new game with the amount of content it gave
If we're crucifying Lightfall for being "that bad" then The Dark Below absolutely was that bad. A cool exotic quest and pvp maps are not saving it. If we're treating it like a big season, i could get behind praising it a bit.
people are nostalgic for the memories and destiny being "fresh", nothing more.
it brought way more stuff than lightfall tbh, if you just look at the amount of exotics that were added. also some crucible maps added in tdb are still in the game to this day.
I’ve been playing since the beginning and it always makes me laugh hearing people sing the praises of D1’s DLC, or discount how disappointing they were at the time, as if there wasn’t a chorus of people complaining about the lack of things to do through all of D1. Rose tinted glasses, as they say.
although I never had the opportunity to play D1, what I can take from this video is that despite the fact that TDB did not have much content, what was really worth it was the experience (and some of the most relevant exotics in the Destiny story). It's also worth mentioning that considering the price, budget, and creative freedom Bungie had with Lightfall, it seems to me that the criticism is justified since they're charging you $60 for a subclass, a nice landscape, and a ticket to Trials and not much more
@@blasvallejos1656 criticism is always justified especially with bungie's recent business models. but recently its just been a lot of fawning over "the good old days" while excusing the numerous issues of those days with the same talking points you giving me now, "the experience, the vibes, ect." when it really just be nostalgia. and thats cool but say that then. you didn't play d1 so im not really talking to you, but then again a lot of people didn't play d1 and claim to miss them old days. the community of this game is never pleased lol
@@k3nnyisgood238 well yes its true that a lot of the praise for D1 is driven by nostalgia but still, bungie should have learned from their mistakes in TDB and do a proper "filler" expansion, lightfall its agrat example of the same mistake being repeated but in this case its not the exotics carrying the expansion but strand.
I feel like the "this community is never pleased" stopped working when bungie started to give us just a fraction of what they used to and we still praise them because "they are going in the right direction with this or that" in fact i said that a large portion of the comunity its too indulgent with bungie or just complain and then dont do anything about it
necrochasm was complete ass till age of triumph what are you talking about lmao
Dark below is when i started playing so i have fond memories of it but my glasses may be rose tinted
Necrochasm was not 'great' as you say when it came out. It was one of the worst exotics in the game for quite a while until Bungie buffed it later on.
To me it felt like it was "ok" but it felt like i bought it just for the raid.
That's better than paying $20 for two dungeons you feel me?
@@beandealer3348 Crota's end was a dungeon
Got level 32, before I even bought the DLC, through iron banner haha. Good times.
I remember going in underleveled and being forced to use my sniper to get kills. I miss level advantage in iron banner, it really felt like cheating the system going in there barely able to do damage and still getting kills and farming high level gear😂
Nope the Dark Below was magical very fond 2 man raid runs
I still think that dark below is disappointing because its short narrative does a huge disservice to the bigger picture that would later unfold in destiny future. We were fighting the hive god the destroyed out moon and we basically snuff out part of him in a small room and finally kill him in a short raid that feels like a dungeon. Definitely doesn't do justice to the lore.
Also Dark Below had some pretty annoying changes to the economy. I still hate when we had to grind commendations to buy legendaries and our exotics had to be upgraded with a new currency at a high price.
Even if we got full vendor refreshes and a whole bunch of exotics, it wasn't enough to justify the price.
House of wolves is next? For me this dlc has the most hard pve end game activity of all destiny 1 and 2. Forget about GMs on year one with Jhon Cena. Prison of elders is the most challenging activity of all times
No Land Beyond is my favorite exotic of all time and i will never forgive Devrim for not giving me his in D2
Man, i miss these times. Getting home from school and grinding destiny vanilla all day long. Legendary
Its insane to me to remember how long we've teased rasputin to just have him be a story crux for a season haha
But, it's not a reference to Harry Potter. It's pronounced "eye-dole-un al-eye", meaning an idolized teammate.
Otherwise, great video. When it came out, it felt a little like a rip-off, but, looking back, the content was enjoyable with friends. I just wish that it wasn't almost mandatory to cheese Crota at the beginning... LFG groups were borderline impossible to keep together if you didn't cheese him...
i cant watch the video right now but doesnt it have the same content as season of the haunted? 5-7 story missions a dungeon
(i know its a raid but i bought a xbox and went back and almost solo'd it barring that i could not find a good guide explaning how to solo crota so calling it a raid is giving it to much praise)
Content wise no. Being on disc content locked behind a paywall shortly after players already dished out $60? Yeah. Yeah it was bad. And the vitriol Bungie and Activision received for it probably just led to all these other games conveniently having post launch DLC that would probably have been on disc and charged for later. But developers/publishers got wise after that and kept the dlc off the initial release versions.
It boggles my mind how well executed loot was in d1 compared to d2
I really wish they made legendry's hard to get agian rather than handing them out like they're blues. And honestly in D1 I think blues were even more rare than legendry's in d2
2:10 little did we know that Bungie have always been the worst culprits when it comes to price, and they would only get greedier and greedier, which we still haven’t seen the peak of.
It's Eidolon Ally as in an Eidolon who is your ally, not an alleyway =P
I only played D1 after D2 launched. It's something my clan boots up sometimes if we're bored of D2 but want to play still.
But given what I've heard, and what you describe here, it sounds like I would have liked it. I never held with the notion that because map assets exist in a game behind a locked door, means that later use of those assets is a cash grab. Development is a long and complex process and sometimes things start and stop at odd times. I do wish there was a way to keep unused assets like this out of the game until they're in use though, because it ends up spoiling things when people inevitably OOB their way inside.
Great vid! I love the journalism and historian role you've taken on and I think it adds a great deal of value to the community that isn't offered by other channels or creators!
I though the OOBs were so fun at the time, you could also get certain dead ghosts already by OOBing. It felt like a whole different part of the game to explore, never understood people complaining about it.
@@SpicyCheeseSpread I don't mind it too much as long as it's optional and folks are considerate of others when it comes to spoilers. I generally seek them all out unless they're related to raids or new dungeons.
Where it gets over the top is when things like raid zones and new dungeons or major story beats are discovered through it.
I enjoyed TDB as well as HOW DLC's. D1 in my opinion, was the exact game we all needed. It's what go us all emerged in this universe. I would much rather have D1 back than play D2, my own personal opinion of course. I get that D2 has progressed the game and intricacies of the game.....I just prefer D1. I feel like the friends I made because of the game played D1 more consistently than anyone does D2 these days
Just like in D1 how we got new areas and planets with new mystery, we need to get that back in D2. Also the devs shouldn’t feel the need to show us where to get every item, stop holding our hands and hide more things that get discovered by grind and community.
I live the memories more then the actual DLC
Necrochasm should return with Final Shape.
1:50 until you realize Destiny 2 dlcs cost 50 bucks😆
Man
I still miss murmur
Destiny was still in its what i like to call it mysterious stage. When no one new nothing. Players found there was a white gun dropping and farmed it just cause. Fun times 😂
Bro the last time I was this early Cayde was still alive
Lol 20 dollars a dlc sounds better than paying for 100 dollars for dlc every season and a exotic weapon.
especially when you get multiple exotic weapons and armor, crucible maps and a raid in the 20 dollar one😂
I don't hate Dark Below, sure it's the weakest story, but nw that you no longer need to buy it seperate from D1 makes it better. Plus it gave us an intro story for Eris, and laid the groudn work for leading into Taken King and other story beats in D2.
The unplug your network cable DLC
IMO nothing can be worse than season of the plunder, I wouldn’t wish my worst enemy to play destiny during that season
Despite enjoying gambit since it first came out. I have to disagree with you as I remember season of the drifter (season 6) and playing only gambit for an entire season wasn't fun.
@@ianquinn6814 WDYM!?! Gambit back then was kinda great! You got good rewards, the games were quick, and there were some great maps.
@@Ace_Gunner your correct, however it's overshadowed by burnout because it was the only thing to do for an entire season. Coupled with abysmal drop rates for some weapons and people quitting if they failed the bridge section on a tier 2 or 3 run.
Curse of Osiris: Am I a joke to you?
@@Noname-ol8ef trust me nothing can be worse than season of plunder, nothing.
Will always hold a special place in my heart just due to the fact that i started playing during this period in the game. It also didnt really let me down because it wasnt a new release for me, it was just... another chunk of content i had, because i got it alongside the base game. For me its linked so inherently to my initial days getting into the franchise.
I actually loved Crota's End. Doing Hard Mode at 31 and not being carried. Abolutely amazing looking armour, especially for my Hunter. Doing solo flawless during HoW times for the achievement. Nearly failing a kill once because swordbearer died and I rushed in to grab it to kill Crota. Doing the Age of Triumphs version when it came out and having so much practice as swordbearer that I made the challenge a cake walk. So many good memories from it.
I started Destiny like a week before Dark Below came out, so I have a lot of nostalgia for this expansion. Having said that, it was eh, especially since I didn’t raid when I first got the game.
Yoooooo Bdobbins! Loved his videos on Destiny. I go back and watch them time to time.
better than curse
Man, I miss the old Destiny community.
"We payed full price for a game, why are you implementing a BS cosmetic shop? We're not buying this"
"$20 For a DLC that adds almost nothing? Forget it, this is robbery"
When did Destiny players stop having any self-respect? Hell, even I'm guilty of this.
I payed $40 for the base D2 game. $20 for Curse of Osiris, $20 for Warmind. $30 for Forsaken, $30 for Shadowkeep. $20 for the Seasonal. $30 for the Legacy Collection and $30 for Lightfall.
I've spent $220 on Destiny 2. And I don't have full access to the game.
The Dark Below’s thing isn’t that it’s a big story expansion, but that it is designed to help set up the coming storms.
TBD, House of Wolves, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, Shadowkeep, and Lightfall are all just little expansions that set up and occasionally foreshadow the even bigger expansions coming ahead.
House of Wolves and TBD set up The Taken King. Curse, Warmind, and Shadowkeep all helped to set up Beyond Light and the coming of the Witness. Lightfall is probably setting up Final Shape.
NOW HERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. My answer is different bcuz of my start date. I began D1 when wrath of machines released. For me, there was everything to do n if I had to pay 20 to continue into TDB knowing there was more... Yeah it's worth it bcuz it means progressing further into a great franchise ending with Taken King
Destiny 2 New Light here, just played through Destiny: The Collection over the last month and a half. I would say from a future player's perspective, The Dark Below is probably the worst or at least most barebones Destiny DLC. House of Wolves has similarly sparse storytelling but features a new social space and new characters. The Dark Below introduces one new character and sends you back to a couple new locations in the same worlds as the base game. It feels like a couple missions tacked onto the main campaign, and that's probably exactly what it was - a Hive storyline originally intended for the main campaign that had to be cut out and finished after the game went gold. This is even more obvious with House of Wolves, but the latter is expansive enough that it justifies itself as a standalone DLC expansion (Bungie & Activision's own term: EXPANSION) than The Dark Below, which retrospectively just feels like a weak prologue to The Taken King.
"You could upgrade it to the Eiedon Alley, a reference to Harry Potter's Diagon Alley" - lolwut? No. No. No.
_Eidolon_ (read it carefully), meaning "spectre" or "phantom", is also used in reference to the nightmares on the moon: every Season of the Haunted armor piece has "Eidolon Pursuant" in its name. It can also mean the quintessential or idealized version of something (as is implied in the Eidolon Bird sparrow's flavour text, "on holy wings you fly"). In either case, an "Eidolon Ally" is certainly the type of ally we'd want to take with us to fight the horrors on the Moon. (Speaking of which, "ally", as in someone fighting on your side of a battle, is pronounced entirely differently from "alley", as in narrow road between buildings.)
I'm not here to pick on your dyslexia, but dude, pay attention to the lore and stop making things up.
I'd say this DLC was just awfully mid, it wasn't THAT bad (like say, Curse of Osiris bad).
It's just that the timing, the discovery of hidden cut content and the fact that it was $20 ($35 as a whole if you bought the season pass) just made the community angry (and whilst having beautiful visuals as always, Crota's End was too easy to be called a raid, and if Bungo ever brought it back to D2 it should be as a dungeon.) and rightfully so.
I remember when everyone heard it was only 3 story missions we all lost all hope lmao
I don't know about everyone else, but I had very good RNG for the Crux haha people said it was worse than Mythoclasts drop rate at a point. How you mentioned strikes back in D1 brought it all back. Never really have it the same these days. And I'm still awaiting the day they bring Longbow and LDR back. RIP
Great video, just one irk. Eidolon Ally: Eye-doh-lon Ah-lie. Eidolon is Greek for spirit or phantom, or idealized person. And we know Ally means friend or companion. It's Phantom (ghost/imaginary) Friend. Not a Harry Potter reference at all, unfortunately. I'm not sure how that conclusion was made 😅
Just recall what you never obtained in the micro expansions you thought were bad…
Dark Below had incredible hive themed armor from Eris.
HoW had amazing faction gear that was top notch
Curse of Osiris had the *BEST* armor ornaments in the *entire - game*
Warmind had the most “Destiny” style raid D2 ever had.
There was much that everyone ignores in these amazing expansions
Lemme just say this: Bungie has always been consistently excellent at one thing - trailers. They're so infuriatingly good at making trailers. Final Shape teaser? Damn near sold me instantly on the expansion. Even though I've endured years of Bungie's sub-par story releases thus far, and expect nothing more for Final Shape...the trailer nearly instantly sold me on it.
I started playind Destiny shortly before The Dark Below, I loved every minute of it. It was so mysterous and interesting, I started to hate the Hive in that expansion but I alos loved knowing and learning more about them, that's when I got into the lore of the game as well. And I've done Crota's End so many times it's like an old friend, it was just really fun after the first few times once you learned what to do. I love Destiny still, but there is something about old Destiny 1 that is just magical: the music, the atmosphere, I don't know how to explain it. Also I never got to upgrade Husk of the Pit sadly but in D2 I finally got Thorn, the weapon I wanted the most since D1 so that's a plus.
11:50 First off, its said "Eye-de-lon Al-lie", as in an Alliance with the Eidolon, becoming Allies. There is nothing in Lore OR in any wiki I searched that makes it even remotely relevant to Harry Potter, not to mention the different spelling and pronounciation between Ally and Alley. Don't throw random lore into things if you can't confirm it.
Also, really enjoyed the segway into the ad where you talked about your testicles from your childhood. Everyone 100% needed that in their earholes.
For me it’s simple. Dark Below was a 20 dollar Dlc…for what we got I don’t think it was bad. It definitely was a bit underwhelming from my initial expectations but for 20 bucks you can’t really expect S tier quality dlc
I mean, it was 10 bucks. I prefer to pay 10 bucks for this than for a season that will have two exotics, legendaries that I won't care about because destiny 2 has no rarity system and it's basically a game of perks at this point, no weapon or armor feels unique except exotics and we don't exactly get like five of them each season. The seasons don't have actual campaigns which is pretty normal, the strikes of this dlc were pretty good and you know, it had a raid. I mean this was a time were dlcs were quite different and paying 10 bucks for this amount of content didn't seem bad at all, because it really wasn't and since it was a dlc it wasn't redundant like seasons are. And then the other three dlcs each felt longer than the last three dlcs we've had in destiny 2, barring repetitive ass content for no real loot as once again, there ain't no rarity system and the game doesn't add a crazy amount of unique gear each season or dlc. As unpolished as Destiny 1 was in some aspect, it didn't feel like it was effectively stealing money from me like the second does. I wasn't paying the price of a full game for a dlc smaller than an old pokemon game.
Why is it a reference to harry potter?
It's eidolon ALLY not alley..
And an eidolon is fitting for destiny's lore.
And the answer for the question "was it really that bad"
Is yes.
Your rose tinted glasses have made you blind because when this dlc came you, you had like 2 days of stuff to do then that was it for basically half a year.
It was quite literally the worst time in destiny history
Dark Below first entry into Destiny long ago. Though, at the time, I felt like it was solid. Jumping into Destiny with its vanilla content, plus Dark Below, kept me busy. My only negative comment on this expansion was the story and how short it was; I wish it was expanded a bit more.
Love the effort you put into your videos Evan! However one thing I’d like to point out, I have to stop myself from calling you Dylan 😂, you look just like my cousin and it trips me out all the damn time 😂. I know completely unrelated to the video and completely pointless.
IS IT a reference to Diagon Alley? Or do you just not actually know how to pronounce Eidolon? Destiny content creators and pronouncing things... is it a gag, or just in their nature?! It's a mystery to everyone.
Am I the only person who thinks there should be no season released alongside a main expansion and instead a more delayed start (longer than two weeks) after it drops? I know thats not exactly relevant to the video so I'll add something that is.
I liked the dark below for its unique missions and thought the undying mind strike was a lot of fun. I kinda miss the small expansion pass model.
One thing I'd love to know though is how Omnigal came back from the dead in RoI.
I liked TDB. Good loot. Eris Morn?!?!
The grind back then wasn't bad. Played with my boys and grandson.
Grand was 8 and the DLC was scary for him!😊
It's a little weird to hear Evan glaze up stuff like the longbow synthesis (pretty much every legendary weapon model in TDB is a reskin) during a time where players are lighting up neomuna weapons for reskinning moon weapons
from the cut content to the broken raid and the bad exotic quest (looking at you necrochasm like wtf even was that) to the 3 story missions. I say it was really bad and time/low expectations cant and wont change that. At the end of the day, bungie and activation still charged 20$ for it
It's shocking, but nice, how jokey and extroverted you seem when doing sponsors/irl bits when compared to the serious and factual persona you let on during these video essays.
Bruh what. Eidolon Ally is not a fucking reference to Diagon Alley. Two different words. Eidolon Ally means that it's a spectre or ghostly friend. Literally a 2 second google search jfc
Bosses like the Fist of Crota always have me imagine scenarios in my head of what the fight with him would actually be like. Just like how I imagine Last Wish and Riven would be like an anime fight against a dragon like the ending animatic for the raid.
I think "comfort food" is the best term to use for The Dark Below. It may not be the best, but you still enjoy it. I know I did. The Dark Below holds a special place in my mind.
The good old days if only people that started on d2 went to d1 they wouldn’t survive d1 was better as far as when u got an exotic weapon or armor and u screamed if they brought that back so many people would come back and dark below to me was good times with my friends I miss the glory hole
I solo-ed every campaign from D1 about 8 months ago. It was fun. Dark below was pretty good, although I didn’t do any of the raids or anything like that.
You realize it’s ally, not alley, right? Ally, like France was our ally during the revolutionary war. Not the place you can get illicit drugs, out in the back alley.
"eidolon Ally a reference to Harry Potter's Diagon Alley"
First you mispelled Eidolon ans the reference to HP is the most random thing i've ever heard
It’s funny how bungie blamed activision for everything but now they are doing worse things to the game and activision is not present . Who would they blame ?
I'm glad I didn't get into destiny until Taken King, in particular the Taken King's April update. I got a year and a half of amazing destiny content after that point
No, but it was so early in destiny's development that D1 then and D2 now are literally like Ghosts and 2Modern2Warfare.
I don't see any people talking about this, during season of the haunted, Eris had the Urn of Sacrifice in the Crown of Sorrow room
If you're watching this because you play Destiny 2, like me, just stop.
Despite the title, this has nothing to do with destiny 2.
A 2 min unskippable add followed directly by a sponsorship for a product i dont care about... i almost klicked off the video.
Love seeing these videos about Destiny 1, brings back the memories from that time, can still recall the names of all the guys I played with haha
i think the dark below was a pretty decent dlc at the time, it brought so many new things, and added on a new raid too. i was also like 9 back then too so it seemed a lot more mysterious and whatnot, followed by barely any coverage too on how to do things. idk i liked it but i was also 9