WATCH LIVE: Parkland School Shooter Penalty Phase Trial - Day 3
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Florida man faces trial for a catastrophic school shooting, but before he does, he must face jurors for a battery case. Prosecutors say that’s Parkland School Shooter, 23, on footage rushing a Broward County jail guard in November 2018. Jury selection is scheduled to start Tuesday, Oct. 5 at 9:30 a.m. ET. Opening statements are scheduled for Oct. 18.
The Shooter is the person facing 17 counts of first-degree murder, and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder for opening fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Broward County, Florida on Valentine’s Day 2018. Then 19, he was a former student there. While awaiting trial at the Broward County Jail, he attacked one of the guards, say, prosecutors. In the Nov. 13, 2018 incident, the guard told him not to drag his sandals on the floor, prosecutors said. The Shooter flipped him off, and, as clear from the video, rushed him and struck him. He initially had the upper hand, but the guard regained control, and The Shooter eventually gave up.
17 people died in the high school shooting: 14-year-old student Alyssa Alhadeff, 35-year-old teacher Scott Beigel, 14-year-old student Martin Duque Anguiano, 17-year-old student Nicholas Dworet, 37-year-old assistant football coach Aaron Feis, 14-year-old student Jaime Guttenberg, 49-year-old athletic director Christopher Hixon, 15-year-old student Luke Hoyer, 14-year-old student Cara Loughran, 14-year-old student Gina Montalto, 17-year-old student Joaquin Oliver, 14-year-old student Alaina Petty, 18-year-old student Meadow Pollack, 17-year-old student Helena Ramsay, 14-year-old student Alexander Schachter, 16-year-old student Carmen Schentrup, and 15-year-old student Peter Wang.
Officials arrested The Shooter shortly after. Interview footage showed him insisting a voice in his head told him to carry out the shooting. He called it the “Demon.”
“Personally, I think you’re using the demon as an excuse,” said Broward County Sheriff’s Detective John Curcio.
The Shooter’s defense has not disputed that he is responsible. They have been trying to save him from the death penalty.
[Booking photo via Broward County Jail]
#ParklandSchoolShooter #JailGuardBattery
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19:48 - Sound starts
25:40 - Witness Ashley Baez
31:52 - 33:17 Objection (no audio)
35:56 - 54:23 Objection (no audio)
1:00:50 - Witness Genesis Valentin
1:05:45 - 1:07:33 Objection (no audio)
1:09:44 - Witness Ivy Schamis
1:26:10 - 1:53:35 Court is on break
1:57:18 - Witness Julieta Matlock
2:11:22 - 2:17:30 Objection (no audio)
2:22:21 - Witness Sophia Delia
2:28:28 - Witness Ronit Reoven
2:43:43 - 2:45:12 Objection (no audio)
2:50:23 - Witness Samantha Mayor
2:58:57 - Witness Madeleine Wilford
3:03:33 - Witness Logan Mitchell
3:07:43 - 3:11:33 Objection (no audio)
3:15:27 - 5:00:24 Court is on break
5:10:31 - Witness Stacy Lippel
5:24:06 - 5:25:27 Objection (no audio)
5:28:19 - 5:33:04 Objection (no audio)
5:33:04 - 5:44:41 Same objection (with audio)
6:07:39 - Witness Veronica Steel
6:20:03 - Witness Anthony Borges
6:27:58 - Witness Ernest Adam Rospierski
7:05:07 - 7:24:13 Court is on break
7:39:28 - Witness Kabachenko
7:56:34 - Witness Kyle Laman
8:07:46 - 8:11:35 Objection (no audio)
8:14:46 - Witness Tyler West
8:20:53 - Witness Nicolette Miciotta
thank you
You're the real MVP.
Thank you!
thank you so much
Thank you. Very helpful.
Can't even imagine the crazy amount of stress that each witness had to endure during these testimonies. The big kid that had six ankle surgeries really got to me as he was shaking like a leaf. The bravery by everybody, God bless them all
And God bless the Jury. I hope they can recover from what they have seen. Not as bad as those that lived it but still bad enough.
@@demtron I hope they report the horrors of the injuries caused by an AR. Nothing will change until they are laid bare. So sickening.
@@demtron
God??? Right. 🙄
@@barbdixon7785 no
@@abelis644 Yes,God.Correct.
Kyle Laman, you will be an incredible EMT. Not just because you have survived this experience and will be able to empathize with your patients, but also because you are a bright young man who thinks quick on his feet. Much success to you in your career and thank you for the service you are willing to give to your community. Be well!
A mentor for others to look to an example of over coming tragedy to your fullest potential ; ty
when ivy schamis referred to helena as “my girl” and nicholas as “handsome boy” 🥺
This break my heart.
That hurt my heart terribly.
This broke me.
seeing three of my favorite teachers testify hurts my chest so hard. I will never forget that day
Sending virtual hugs. No one should ever have to go through this.
@@KoloheSF thank you so much for ur kind words and support 💜💜
🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
I will pray for you
💔
seeing two people that i know from my childhood, testify, hurts my heart. i hope all of the victims get the justice they deserve.
Love you
🌹bless you
I'm truly sorry that you and your friends are going to this I will pray for you tonight God bless
🙏♥️
Oh my. Thoughts are with you and your friends. ❤️🩹
These kids are so incredibly brave and smart, I’m glad that they are finishing their schooling. I hope they prosper well in life. God bless them and RIP to the victims who died.
I hope so too. I learned some of the columbine survivors turned to using drugs to cope with the trauma. It’s heartbreaking how much damage this act has caused,to the direct victims,their families and everyone else that had to experience the fear that day.
To anyone that knows someone testifying or knows someone impacted, my thoughts go out to you. I hope you and your families/friends find strength to help you get through this. Such a sad and tragic day, RIP to the victims.
same here, i wanted to say this as well but i honestly don’t think i have the words, my whole heart breaks for the families, students, teachers, community. it’s so sad and happens too often.
ya i'm sure they are wading through youtube comments looking for sympathy!
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy noone asked you bluecollar r3tard
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy I'm sure they are not, but they would definitely appreciate it if they saw some of the kind messages people are putting out there.
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy
The fact is, that some might be, and you never know... no reason to be rude!
I want to hug all of them. Those teachers must have a terrible struggle within themselves, they must know how incredible they are and they did their best. 🥺
My heart, each time watching these victims & their parents watching them. The amount of strength is incredible, I am so proud of them. Knowing what must run through their minds when they are asked questions, I can’t even fathom. My heart goes out to each and every single person impacted.
Lovely
My heart aches for the AP psychology teacher. You can tell she was reliving every single horrific detail of that day as she was retelling exactly what happened. As a former teacher, I cannot imagine how helpless those teachers felt when they could not safely get to the students that needed their help or safely help them in the aftermath. I am sure that so many of the survivors from that day have survivors guilt that will haunt them the rest of their life
Nah she was a busy body
@@twistedgamer9167 let me guess, you’re a future school shooter or a fan of that POS 🤬
What’s her name
She is amazing and kind.
@@SamanthaSweets Ronit Reoven
If you rewind and listen to Mr Rospierski's testimony again, your heart will shatter. If you look in his eyes, there is such immense pain that his voice tries to cover up. I pray for each and every student, parent, staff member, and life that this horrible tragedy impacted.
what part
@@princessglittersparkles846 6:27:58
Mr. Rospierski is covering up his feelings with attempts at humor, as well as sarcastic replies. I find it very inappropriate, but I guess we all deal with tragedy in our own way.
@@lindawilkov6476 at first, I definitely gasped out of anger, but after rewatching and trying my best to put myself in his shoes I can see how maybe he was using those things to attempt to distance himself from very painful memories that he is probably exhausted from reliving.
@@lindawilkov6476 wildly innapropriate
The teacher that told her kids to move away from the windows so quickly saved a lot of lives that day just by thinking clearly in a situation where instinct usually takes over. I hope these people find some sort of peace 💔
To anyone reading this that was impacted by that man’s horrific actions on that day. I am so so sorry. No child should ever experience what they did on that day. Although it will never bring your loved one back or wipe the survivors memories, please take some comfort from the fact that justice is being served and that monster will never feel freedom again for the rest of his life. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless xxx
The strength of the parents in the courtroom is remarkable. I wouldn’t be able to keep my composure with the person who murdered my child only a few feet away. My heart breaks for them.
Outbreaks by parents leads to mistrials... Meaning he gets off without the death penalty.
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
@Lawrence Jackson nowhere she wants you to know about
Add me up in WhatsApp
@@slaws2279 really?
Jamies Mom and dad look like they just haven't stopped crying since the day this happened 😢 This all breaks my heart so much 💔
Defense: Your honor we object.
Your honor: shut up.
For real
Can we please stop bashing the male teacher? I personally believe his behaviour is completely for someone who may be nervous, traumatised, tired of having to re-live the events, and makes nervous jokes/uses humour as a coping mechanism. The teachers are not to blame. They are human beings that were terrified and did their best to keep their children safe.
I agree
He also forgot his keys so he and his kids couldn’t get back in the room. He has deep trauma, and most certainly, guilt.
PTSD
Yeah and it does come across as odd but I then thought of how I deal with stress and uncomfortable situations with humor
@@katemiller3796 we also don’t know how we would react to a situation like this unless we were personally there
In case anyone is wondering who the parents are in the front row and shown often, it is teacher Scott Beigel’s mom and step-dad. His mom has been instrumental bringing to light many key issues about this shooting to congress. 👏🏻👏🏻
I have wondered that often. So thanks for sharing that info.
what are they wearing?
@@guccimain89 There are gun control laws. Cruz was reported to the FBI because he said he was going to be the next professional school shooter and NOTHING was done. They were obviously to busy playing political games about made up Russia BS to stop this kid. Criminals don't follow the laws... Gun control will never stop criminals from getting guns. We have gun control laws, red flag laws and they are NOT enforced like they should be.
@@cb-pc1df I’m well aware and I’m intimately familiar with federal gun control as well as most state gun control laws. I’m saying I AM NOT big on gun control laws. As in I have a negative opinion of them. If you read the comment, we are talking about the mother using her platform and spotlight to call for more. Im saying I strongly disagree. Over 95% of all mass shootings take place in gun free zones. Clearly gun control laws don’t work and more isn’t going to help.
@@guccimain89 Sorry I read your comment both ways. Wasn't sure which one you were actually siding with. After reading your comment again I figured you were not in favor of gun control (and gave you a 👍)but figured I'd leave it for other people to read. If I was wrong I knew you would correct me and it would be just a easy convo between two random ppl on YT that can have a civil convo (instead of screaming insults at each other) about how ridiculous it sounds to make more laws when the ones we have don't work and are barely used on criminals.
They aren't even happy (Anti-2A Groups/people) when a citizen takes down an active shooter in a mall. Saying he's a criminal or not a good guy with a gun because the mall was supposedly a gun free zone.
The victim testimonies just make this all so much more real. Even Cruz couldn't bear to hear the recording of what he did that day - probably because he selfishly regrets ruining his own life that day but I hope it haunts him every day for the rest of his life.
People who say the death penalty for Nikolas is the easy way out and they want him to suffer with life in prison let me tell you something. Life in prison becomes a lifestyle, you make friends, you watch tv, you get commissary and you adjust. Being sentenced to death is a very painful sentence you sit for 15 to 20 years. Your brain literally turns to mush from living in fear. When they finally come to serve your warrant and strap you to the table that’s all you mentally know how to do is fear. So for those of you saying death is the easy way out you are in denial. It’s the ultimate sentence and it’s suited for someone like Nikolas. Just to let you know this guy is not going to sit and think about his victims with a life sentence. Infact it will probably become a new way of life for him, he has no family or anything. Now he’ll get Tv, munchies, recreational time, communication, friendships and so on. So I suggest start being real about what he did to these families. I would suggest turning his brain to complete mush. He will understand the fear that day of his acts when he himself has to serve his warrant for his body.
Totally agree and ive never been one for the death penalty.
Him being alive gives him a platform over his victims. His name is remembered and not theirs. More than anything he gets the notoriety and fame he wanted. He'll get interviews and books and documentaries made. Mad fans writing him and obsessing. He doesn't deserve a platform nor any comfort in the remainder of his days.
I’d say they should put him down day after trial over he’s already in fear
I agree w/ u ! & I say those poor high school kids !Didn"t get 2 live ! Over that horrible boy ! He has 2 get the death in jail! Why should he live in a jail 4 life ! HMM UGH!!!
You’re talking about death row. DR Block gets privileges. Lifers however don’t get perks. He likely commuted this act thinking it was likely game over for him so why give him what he wanted?
thank you for saying this because its true LIFE ON DEATH ROW IS NO JOKE!!
Ive already posted this message in response to some comments but to anyone who is finding the teacher with a shaved head and glasses off-putting, I beg you to keep in mind that the process of testifying is intense and stressful, not to mention reliving those events. The tendency to make jokes is a defense mechanism, he is likely subconsciously or not distancing himself. It is important also to note that this man is a hero, he tried to check on a dying student to see if she was alive, while risking putting himself in line of sight of the shooter, and when the shooter paused because of an issue with his gun, he ordered all the students with him in the alcove in the hallway to run, giving many of them the opportunity to escape, he then held the door to the stairwell with his foot momentary while the shooter tried to follow them, allowing the students further distance from the shooter. He’s undeniably a hero. So before you comment on it with a lack of understanding and empathy, think of the reality of the situation and how you may respond. Maybe you find it in appropriate, and that’s okay, its out of place in such a meaningful and sad situation and that may feel uncomfortable, but I remind you to live with empathy, and an understanding that you can never know what you would do in someone else’s shoes because everyone lives their own personal experience and no one else’s.
He is featured in the Amazon prime special about this. He really is amazing. I think he is keeping it lighthearted to not have to re-live this as much as possible. He’s definitely trying to keep some distance. Plus he knows thousands of people will be watching this so he’s obviously going to uncomfortable. I’m thankful for your comment.
Do you think the police at first thought that he was the shooter? Because of his comment about his shirt ( I think he said that they still have it and it was a dark red school shirt) and then the comment about guns being pointed at him.
Also, keep in mind that I’m sure all of the guilt he feels is not easy for him to sit in a courtroom filled with parents of the children who were in his class that passed away.
@@jjd0ll I agree and I sympathise with him however the sarcasm really isn’t appropriate.
Agree. Not to mention, the student he couldn't save- jamie- her parents are sitting right in front of him. He never looks up. He's a hero no doubt and I am sure he has replayed this day so many times asking why he did or did not do something that may have saved her or others. I am sure the guilt has caused him many sleepless nights. He is a hero and amazing and many kids were saved this day because of him ❤️
When they played the audio of the young man screaming, it broke my heart. Anthony Borges was severely injured laying in the middle of the hallway by himself, screaming for help in an empty hallway along with the ones who passed. With all his might he was screaming" help! help! Help me please help me please please ". I saw his documentary in spanish and he explains how scary it was just laying there with all the doors in that hallway closed, he tried calling his parents but unfortunatly no one answered, he wanted to tell them goodbye because he was bleeding profoundly and he thought he was not going to make it. I've seen the videos of all the audio tapes they played and it's terrorfying.... and the one person who caused this nightmare to reality to those innocent kids can't even stand to hear his own work being played out loud. Shame on you.
Where did you see videos and audio?
I hope the ugly little weasel hears those screams and cries for whatever remains of his miserable life.
They were posted on Reddit a year back.
@@tanylok36 Yes, one of the survivors compiled roughly 10-20+ video clips and audio from the shooting. I remember watching them a while ago, but I think they’ve been taken down
26:03 - states witness, Ashley Baez, student at MSDHS, 10th gr (?); started in the band room, went to the bathroom in building where shooting happened; saw shooter, went to a classroom; injuries in legs, multiple surgeries
1:01:11 - states witness, Genesis (?) Valentine, student at MSDHS, rm 1216; shrapnel in legs
1:10:06 - states witness, Ivey Schamis, Social Studies teacher at MSDHS, rm 1214
morning break
1:57:38 - states witness, Geleta (?) Matlock, personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1215
2:22:46 - states witness, Sofia Delia, student at MSDHS, rm 1215; went to bathroom, came back
2:28:50 - * *TW-graphic detail* * states witness, Ronit Reoven, AP Psychology, Honors Geography teacher at MSDHS, rm 1213
2:50:47 - states witness, Samantha Mayor, student at MSDHS, junior year, rm 1213; shot to knee, permanent injury
2:59:19 - states witness, Madeline Wilford, student at MSDHS, rm 1213; shot 4 times, arm and torso, multiple surgeries
3:03:54 - states witness, Logan Mitchell, student at MSDHS, rm 1213
lunch break
5:00:28 - defense says questions about attempted murder victims' long term injuries and surgeries shouldn't be asked, motion denied
5:10:50 - states witness, Stacey Lippel, English teacher at MSDHS, rm 1255; saw shooter, arm grazed
5:33:04 - judge asks jury to leave, the repeated objections are discussed, judge thinks it's unnecessary for defense to keep repeating, judge decides one continuing objection will suffice, defense states it limits access to record
5:53:31 - hearing continues
6:08:04 - * *TW-recorsing of terrorized children crying* * states witness, Veronica Steel, student at MSDHS, rm 1257
6:20:24 - states witness, Antony Borges, student at MSDHS, rm 1250 (?); saw shooter, got shot in the leg, torso, back, total of 5 shots, 14 surgeries
6:28:19 - states witness, Earnest Rispierski, Personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1249; face and hip grazed, saw shooter, stuck outside of room temporarily
7:24:14 - defense brings up something about a future testimony
7:39:54 - states witness, ____ Kabachenko and Russian translater Michael Lurye, student at MSDHS, Geography class, wounded
7:56:53 - states witness, Kyle Laman, student at MSDHS, rm 1249; saw shooter, shot in ankle/foot, escaped
8:15:10 - states witness, Tyler West, student at MSDHS, rm 1249
8:21:14 - states witness, Nicolette Miciotta, student at MSDHS, 900 building; saw shooter
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wow saw this at the right time, thank you so much, this makes it so much easier to understand as i watch! appreciate you
Gracias
I don't know what I'd do without you 🙌🏽
Thank You!!
6:27:58 I was initially so upset with how he was behaving during his testimony. He seemed very flippant and unconcerned. Then I watched his breathing and tried to match my breathing to when his chest rose and fell. I felt light headed and panicky. He was obviously very traumatized and near panic. I think that was just some strange defense mechanism coming out as he testified.
Kyle Layman’s testimony was the hardest for me to get through today. I think he was the only one who you could see that was visibly shaking.
It was heartbreaking listening to him..
i know him from elementary school, he used to be friends with my brother :(
@@kendallbriggs1 I am sorry, the ripple effect this shooting has created is horrific.
@@deannajack6755 thank you
This has my blood boiling! I love this Judge because she does not put up with any nonsense from the defense. I don’t know why they object to every video or photograph because we all know he did it and those are the consequences of his actions. I believe the jury needs to see each one of these videos/photos, not to get an emotionally charged verdict, but so the jury can make the best decision possible.
They have to or he can appeal
Personally I don’t think it’s just for appeal. I think it’s also a distraction tactic because that and appealing to the juries empathy is the only chance they have of winning with an overwhelming amount of evidence showing premeditated murder, with clear overkill proving some aggravated factors.
They are obligated to object to some because otherwise, he can claim ineffective counsel and again drag it out 5 years
Is it that they are objecting.
Or objecting to it being public so us at home cant here or see what's going on .
Or are they objecting to every one including the jurey
Not only she’s good but also young and beautiful
Even his own attorneys have tears coming down their eyes what a shame😐
It infuriates me to see Cruz plug his ears. They should make him listen & look at this victims!
exactly...sit up straight and look at these witnesses.
Exactly 💯
There's no law saying he has to. He isn't causing any problems. If he doesn't want to listen, whatever, it doesn't affect anything.
The parents and audience are appalled as well. I can imagine the impact it’s having on the jury…
@@ashleyr.6953 oh yeah. Exactly the moment I was commenting about. She looked as though she wasn’t surprised at all. I’m not either.
I really think that when the teachers said: “he could’ve easily put his hands through the broken glass and open the door from the inside out”, cruz regretted he didn’t do that..
I was thinking that too
He didn’t hit his self proclaimed “goal” of twenty. I bet he sickly regrets that
We need to acknowledge how nearly every teacher had delayed responses because they thought a drill was coming up. They need to seriously rethink how they plan drills because it was definitely a hindrance in this case.
To be fair I could see people going into shock in this type of scenario - but yes so many things need to change.
Agreed, I thought that also.. however it seems that they did what they were ‘supposed to’ in the shooter scenario. Others didn’t hear the shots at first and responded to the fire alarm
You can tell the teacher was trying her best not to chastise the poor police work during the shooting. She's a brave woman.
Watching these parents and listening to these witnesses is just heartbreaking 😢
8:25:45 imagine making small talk with someone you’ve known since middle school and haven’t seen in a while just to later find out they just committed the biggest high school mass murder in history. This girl is so broken 😢
She was also friends with Meadow Pollack. I can't imagine how she felt later knowing the person she was talking to had just murdered one of her closest friends just minutes ago. She was also trying to find Meadow at the time and he showed no emotion during their talk.
Her testimony was heartbreaking.
@@Hailey-qx6ky That's a question only Meadow's friends and family will know. Pretty messed up if he did recognize her and still shot her 6 times with no mercy. If you look at his guilty plea he had a reaction every time her name was brought up.
he definitively recognized her which makes it hurt much more. I went to middle school and high school with both of them and vaguely remember sharing classes with both of them. not to mention she was considered one of the “popular” kids even when we went to west glades middle. she was such a kind person.
@@mianeilson4937 you shared classes with him as well? Was he just a lost soul? I can’t wrap my head around this.
8:13:39 is insanely powerful. The witness looks back at Cruz, while Cruz looks up at him and it appears they lock eyes for a second before Cruz quickly looks back down. The witness then keeps walking but looks back again.
Yes, saw that too! Strong man to be able to look at his attempted murderer in the face.
My heart goes out to all the kidd that went through this. I can't imagine the amount of anxiety and stress they gone through even having the courage to go up on the stand and relive that moment years later. Especially having to see their dead classmates all over again.
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
Prayers for all of these brave people. Can’t imagine what it feels like to go through something like that, and the to have to re-live it. The people especially the young ones are inspiring.
For someone who was so proud of what he did, that he announced it and was proud of the notoriety he would receive, he should be made to look at the witnesses, the photos, and the videos.
And listen!!
I’m glad this monster has to sit through all of this.
Even his defense team have tears after the teacher’s testimony in her holocaust class.
Prayers for the brave survivers testifying. Can see how it is still emotionally painful and difficult for them. Prayers for parents and families who have to see and hear what their young loved ones went through.
To all who endured this day, my heart breaks for you all. And the parents in the courtroom- I can’t even imagine your pain. How did any of these teachers and students return to that school? They are pillars of strength.
when we returned, we barely did schoolwork. We were met with tons of therapeutic services and support animals and it was really comforting. (In my classes at least) we would color and watch disney movies which was nice and relaxing.
@@Otterpup710 thanks for posting, I wondered. How many teachers left the following year. How did policies and procedures change? How many students left the school.
@@Otterpup710 did they keep you guys on msd campus even though the building was still a crime scene?
@@christakaratza9670 after it happened, school was closed for a little while and then we went back to finish our year. The 1200 building is just gated up. Schools been open since then.
@@Otterpup710 we’re you guys okay with that? I’m so sorry for everything you guys have gone through and are still going through ❤️you have a very strong community I don’t know if I’d be able to go back.
I'm so thankful that they are removing the victims from the courtroom, when they are showing videos of them getting shot, so they don't have see that again.
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Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
Make him listen to it !!!!!!!!!!!Get his fingers out of his ears !!!!!!!!!!!!!
What they need to take away from this is- don't do unexpected drills! It's obvious it's doing more harm than good. I know response is different when people aren't in the flight or fight situation, but if the teachers KNEW this isn't a drill they could've gotten more kids to safety! It makes absolutely no sense at all. Hope they look into their procedure and weight in the risk and benefit. why not just settle on "if you hear gun shots, it's not a drill, take cover".
I couldn't imagine something like that happening to me while in school it's unimaginable. I'm so sorry for american children having to be afraid of something like that happening to them
what do you want ? death penalty or life?
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
8:04:57 that poor kid i felt so bad to see how bad he was shaking can’t imagine the trauma he probably got
I love how the witness that was shot in the legs, is STARING into the soul of the "defendant"
The way they side bar is very strange to me and annoying.
i know right lols
Wow just wow I don’t understand how someone could do just a horrible massacre as such, then when hearing what trauma it’s caused everyone you sit there and doodle not even hearing a word these people are saying, that right there has death penalty written all over it.
With fingers in his ears so he can’t hear them crying out. He’s not being held responsible. He’s actually acting like a spoiled brat and his attorneys are allowing it.
8:13:38 How weird and chilling that they both looked at each other at the same time
I caught that too. If I’m not mistaken, Kyle was the only victim that the shooter stalked…like once he started to run and it was just them in the hallway…very chilling
Oh my goodness that IS chilling 🥺
after watching his testimony it looks as if he was glancing at Cruz a lot, i hope he was. NC has barely looked any of these victims in the eye. i feel like it was good that he caught the glimpse of Layman
Goes to prove that the shooter knows exactly what he did , so much to pretending to be out of it & crazy !! He knows !,but I would love to see what he drawing or writing with his head down or pretending to draw but there will be many more angry kids that will able to by powerful rifles to get back at who they don’t like at school ,until you don’t change your guns laws how can a country allow its kids to suffer like this because of greed !! It’s disgusting 🇺🇸
'Judge, the prosecution keeps showing how evil the defendant really is, I object'
lol, just because it makes you look bad, does not mean you can object to everything all day.
“Your honor, I object!” “On what grounds?” “This is destroying my case!”
Y is it that during his interrogation when left alone he mocked his actions and relived him shooting and killing those kids and yet here he is not wanting to listen to what he did???
Bring back the electric chair and give it a whirl.
6:25:53 the way he was so happy to look up and stare at what he’s did when the boy showed where he was shot.. he did not look away once.
I feel a obligated to hear each witness’ story; Out of pure respect for what they went thru. ❤️🩹
same 💔
Miss Riovan. To hear that you remain ateacher shows your commitment to your school and profession. To know you did what you can for your students to keep them safe during this horrific time, god bless you. ❤
This prosecutor is really good at his job.
Sending all these amazing survivors and families of loved ones who passed peace and comfort.
Y’all in the comments are crazy.And I hope you don’t behave like this to people in your day to day. Remember to be kind to people and generous towards others especially when they are people who’ve experienced tragedy.
That murderer deserves no kindness in this world. He deserves to be put into a cold concrete room & have the audio & video tapes of him killing his victims played 24/7 w out stopping
I'm right there with you that's why I don't comment in the live chat cuz people like that I'
I love how the prosecutor just stands and looks directly at cruz during audio and video evidence.
I believe that man would happily push the plunger himself if he could.
These parents have a super hero strength to sit through this. I don't think I could be in there without attacking him if it was my child
I agree! I’m going crazy and I’m in the comfort of my own home so I definitely couldn’t imagine not giving him a piece of my mind. Words can’t describe their strength
Anthony is a badass young man. I have so much respect for him.
i can’t help but watch this and wonder “what if?” 🥺 what if luke and martin had walked back to class just a few minutes or even seconds earlier? what if gina hadn’t asked to sit outside her classroom to get her work done? what if everyone on the 3rd floor that got left behind in the hallway, had just ran straight to the west stairwell since the beginning? or what if they had known that the teacher lounge was open and gone in there and locked themselves? what if the police had gone in sooner and been able to save those like chris hixon and martin who were still barely alive? god this is still so heartbreaking even 4 years later 💔 rest easy angels 🕊🤍
my heart broke for mrs. schamis when they showed her the pictures of helena ramsey and nicholas dworet 🥺 she got so emotional 😢 also mrs. reoven did an amazing job of looking out for the injured as well as the student who was by her side guiding her. so brave of them 🥺🤍 i wish joaquin had followed kyle and tyler and ran like they did 🥺 i know he said he couldnt because of his knee, but if only his adrenaline had kicked in like kyle he could’ve sprinted down those stairs too and made it out alive. also heartbreaking to hear that both joaquin and meadow were in mrs. lippel’s class but somehow (im sure through the chaos) got stranded in the hallway far away from their class💔🥺
That teacher in the blue shirt should be ashamed of himself for making jokes on the stand when 17 students were killed. He should have been treated as a hostile witness. Totally unprofessional and sad he's making jokes during something so serious. Really dude? Have some respect.
This was very sad for what those kids and teachers had to go through I just can’t imagine it because thankfully when I was in school we never had to worry about shootings and the only drill we had was a fire drill. May all the 17 lives that were taken for no reason may all of the 14 students and 3 teachers Rest In Peace and Justice will be served in this case.
That poor geography teacher is trying not to panic
I am sick of the defense attorney objecting EVERY TIME the prosecutor shows pics of these people’s injuries. Every time, the judge admits them. What could he possibly be saying, EACH TIME that is going to change anything? A waste of time!
Thank you for making a distasteful and a absolutely HORRIFYING event, that unfortunately is required to be relived,easier on the family’s and victims . By decorum of the court and letting the public to see these proceedings
Come on Law & Crime.............please put Closed Captions on these videos.....sure helps for us old folks that can't hear well..
The way the gunman is plugging his ears pretending to be affected by the videos of his horrific acts, but then couldn’t stop staring at his victims scars..
Was he staring ew. He was probly proud of what he did 🤢.
That creature should be made to respect the Court and the people in it; it is absurd how his attorneys let him sit there with his head down . .. not having to man up and see what he has caused although it would probably give him some sort of thrill ...
This guy has killed , maimed and traumatised so many. Why go through all this. Hes pleaded guilty. Hes on video doing it. Just sentence him. No appeals should be happening. Talk about drag it out. That many killings should just incur the death penalty. Why should anyone be paying to keep this guy alive another day.
that pesky thing called the Constitution
This is literally to determine a sentence. It’s not an appeal. He pled guilty. Hence the title specifying “penalty phase” 🙄
everyone deserves due process
The kids couldn’t get back in the room because he forgot his keys. I think this may explain the parents reaction. He has severe trauma and guilt.
My heart was breaking for him. He did everything he possibly could. He is HUMAN.
@@lytled6551 I also think he did everything he could
He really does, I’m sure it’s also incredibly anxiety inducing to be in front of everyone, including your assailant/the murderer of your students and coworkers, and talk about the worst day of your life.
@@ticccylikeasniccy4651 exactly. You have to drudge it up all over again, knowing you may be barraged by hate once again. Brain engages defense mechanisms.
Do we know who the parents are? I'm assuming the couple by the man in the blue suit were a family of someone who passed in 1216? But the blue suit man shakes his head so much I'm so interested to know who the parents are. It's nice to see them supporting each other but heartbreaking to watch them cry and relive their kids last moments or scariest moments.
Blue suit is Max Schachter, father of Alex Schachter. Behind him, blonde lady with glasses and man with glasses are Jamie Guttenberg’s parents. The lady with blonde hair and bald man with glasses infront of Mr Schachter and to the left are Nicholas Dworet and Alexander Dworet’s parents. Lady at the very front is Scott Beigel’s mum. Joaquín Oliver’s sister is also in the court, towards the left with dark hair.
@@suziewoozie1000 thank you! X
I've watched so many trials now that I can't even begin to recount the number. This is the first trial I've watched that I've physically cried listening to the students and teachers tell their stories about what happened that day while the pos coward sits at the defense table with his head down drawing and reliving his crimes as they talk. This is a hard trial to watch but it's worth it knowing what's gonna happen to him
The man with the glasses, why is he all chipper and talking about the even like some birthday party he went to?
So annoying and disrespectful. I hope it’s his way of dealing cause if he truly thinks this is appropriate WOW!
Mate let me tell you, high level trauma really messes you up -
In simple terms: People react differently to stress and there's a shitload of PTSD here for all of these witnesses/victims.
Definitely post traumatic stress. Definitely trying to be as accurate as possible. He’s probably a great teacher and a nice guy outside of the courtroom. His attempt to keep his composure is likely bringing out the nervous tick of telling bad jokes. When I had my gallbladder removed in 2001, it was my first real surgery. My husband has a great sense of humor. He always has and he made a 50 year radio career out of it. But that day, he was really nervous. When I came out of recovery and was wheeled into a room, he had flowers and a card he wrote that was a funny poem. It made me laugh and it hurt bad! My mother was also there. He was so nervous, he was making her laugh which lifted her spirits. But it made me laugh and it hurt so bad. I was literally laughing and crying at the same time. He wasn’t doing it deliberately. I don’t think this guy is doing this deliberately. The prosecutor knows everybody reacts differently on the stand. The parents may look surprised because he’s probably not usually like that.
Remember folks, Ernest left Jaime Guttenberg to die.
Mr Rospierski, read the room sir 🤦🏻♀️
He's definitely livid with rage. I'd 5ake it easy on him
I was so nervous while he was on the stand I'm like get this guy off before one of the parents attack him.
He's hilarious. At least his jokes are funny, unlike the judge
@@Timefortracy hilarious?! Wow.
People bury unresolved trauma until a time& place triggers their pain. They don't know how they'll respond until they do. This man is kind, cares for teenagers (a calling) & maybe even spectrumy. 🤷🏻♀️
Even Cruz’s own defense attorney is crying at 1:25:30
Anyone notice he's doing a lot of writing or drawing?? It looks like they put the books in front so the camera can't see? Is he asking his lawyer questions?
Yes I see that
Praying for all involved. Absolutely horrific.
Those poor parents. My god.
Unbelievable how the shooter covers his ears when the court played one of the wounded yelling for help at 6:17:00
Unplug your ears and listen to what you have done!
Hes too much of a coward to do that
The fact they had no bathrooms available for these kids is crazy i mean no bathrooms were open
The second floor bathrooms were available.
This judge would’ve eaten Darrell Brooks
The pain theese people Carry must be so heavy I cannot imagine how hard it must be for them to simply sit up in their seats nevermind listening to the description of the murder of their children/family members. I cannot imagine. I would just have no words and if I had to sit on that stand I would just break. I completely understand why but I do can't imagine the strength it must take not to launch yourself at him. I don't know that I could be in the same room as the person who took my child from the earth. Theese are incredibly strong people. I hope they know the circle of love for them(and others effected by this kind of violence) from the world. God bless theese families. Xx
I assume the Russian young man who had only been in the USA for 2 weeks was a foreign exchange student. I wonder if he stayed his full term. I can't imagine not fully understanding English and so much devastation. Does anyone know more about him?
I guess you didn't pay closer attention to his testimony. He testified being ENROLLED at Stoneman Douglas for 2 weeks before the shooting. And nowadays he's at Broward College (in Florida as well). And since he went home to his parents after the shooting and came back to school to be taken to hospital, I doubt he was an exchange student. He's just a Russian living in US with his family
Folks in the chat were angry with the male teachers testimony. As someone who has experienced trauma…let me just say, humor as a coping mechanism is a very real thing. If we don’t joke constantly, sometimes even dark humor about ourselves and the trauma, we would probably off ourselves. It’s a reaction, a defense mechanism. Some people shove it down and repress it, others broadcast it, laugh it off, and act like it was no big deal. You can’t help how you respond to trauma. Your brain does what it needs to protect itself.
Yes I immediately recognized that as I tend to do the same. I've been through so much trauma throughout my life that even one of my therapists made a comment about people 'handing in the towel for less'. Dark humor and jokes at 'inappropriate' times has become a part of my personality now, I wouldn't be able to handle life without it.
This teacher's joking is in horribly bad taste
If this man does not get the death penalty then there is something definitely wrong with the system and others will follow the actions of this murderer.
To be honest even if he does get death he might end up just dying on his own because people who got death 20 years ago are still awaiting execution
There's something wrong with the system. Clearly, selling an AR15 to a civilian is wrong. And he got life. God bless America.
@@shayshay2068 waiting 20 ..or more likely 30 years wouldn’t mean he’d ‘die on his own’ . He is 23. more likely, he’d be killed in prison
My condolences to those families that have lost there loved ones. To everyone that has testified and are scheduled to testify, your all very strong individuals in my eyes. For you to go on the stand and to re-live everything that you been through, I raise my hat to all of you. May god give all of you peace and comfort.
I just don’t think this judge is fit for this case, she sometimes don’t even make sense. Even the state has disagreed with her at times.
Agreed. She doesn’t fit her post.
She isn’t emotionally attached, that’s it
The teacher who came across as inappropriate ( Rospierski) on the stand definitely doesn't reflect what he did on the day. I was also cringing and it felt like a punch everytime he spoke and made joke, BUT prosecutor should've prepared him for this and guided questions differently! Also, the guy literally SAVED kids that ran down the stairwell. there's CCTV stills easily accessible showing him holding the door whilst Cruz is visible on the other side!!! Let's not forget he is also a victim and his testimony didn't come across well. He did so much more than make jokes and leave his keys in the bag!!!
my sister teaches there as well and they are friends. she said he’s had to tell this story so many times and he’s basically tired of telling it because its traumatic
It’s trauma and the humor is to alleviate the nervousness and anxiety of having to relive this for four years
@@morgue. I didn’t find it humorous at all. Offensive, inappropriate and uncalled for!
@@belfiore_18 Everyone deals with trauma differently. Him using humor to cope isn't offensive. It's not at all uncommon. I do it as well. I have to ease my mind with humor when recounting traumatic events or I just fully dissociate. Your judgment is the only thing that's uncalled for here.
Yes, his testimony made me very uncomfortable. However, I wasn't there. I can only imagine the trauma he experienced. Smh absolutely terrifying.
The shooter is 100% responsible but if he didn't have access to these types of weapons he couldn't have created so much carnage. Other countries don't have school shootings. In Europe we don't send our kids to school afraid they might not come home. It's absolutely abhorrent. My heart breaks for these and all the families and I hope changes are made. Rights to bear arms is not worth this 😪
If you are European citizen, you have no right to comment on our Constitution. Evil will always exist, therefore the ability and chance to protect ourselves and those around us will always exist. Your dumbfounded opinion is garbage.
He was 100% responsible.
But look how many people died on 9/11 and no guns were used.
@@girlforprayer girl what 😭😭 don’t pull 9/11 into this. absolutely not related
@@girlforprayer u are that mentally not well in the head to compare a TERRORIST ATTACK to a SCHOOL SHOOTING?!?!?! Are u okay? Do u need help?
@@girlforprayer ….and have you noticed all the changes they immediately made to airport security following 9/11
Brah really that lawyer arguing about being shot not a mitigated factors lol crack up amazing been watching depp vs heard to much cruz's lawyers
Huh? Can you translate that into a language we can understand?
The victims will be traumatised for life, feeling so much love for them and their families. Rest in love the victims who lost their lives during this devastating tragdy. He deserves nothing sort of the Death Penalty, nothing else can justify what he has done.
Did the prosecution ask Anthony 6:26:09 ahead of time to show his wounds because he really came prepared with nothing but a light jacket on to court? Notice how it's the only time Cruz looks up & pays attention is when he's showing his wounds? Guess he's reliving his crime. That teacher at 6:27:00 is just annoying. He seems like he just doesn't care.
What do you mean there was a lack of evidence of pre-planning? He texted or called some of his friends and told them not to go to school that day because something big was going to happen. He videotaped himself talking about what he was going to do. If that is not proof of planning I don't know what is
Why is Ernest Rospierski being very sarcastic in his replies to the questions??
@@BarelyRegalSpoods I don’t think it’s sarcasm. I think his flippant demeanor is a defense mechanism to protect himself from the trauma.