Vermithor or Cannibal - Is He as BIG as Vhagar?
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2022
- Is the dragon that was seen in episode 10 vermithor or the cannibal dragon. House of the dragon showed a lot of dragons in the season finale and a dragon battle where a smaller dragon was ripped to shreds by vhagar. So is the cannibal or vermithor able to defeat vhagar and are they as big or bigger than vhagar?
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Daemon wouldn't go to the Cannibal in that situation. They need dragons for war so the last one he'd approach would be the one least likely to be useful.
@@xastro69_ cannibal is alive while the war goes on... and when the war is over the cannibal still alive....
@@xastro69_ cannibal was alive and left westeroes.
Daemon is ballsy but he isn’t Stupid, the Cannibal has killed any and everyone to ever enter his lair, this is most likely Vermithor, who’s known to be exceptionally friendly (by the standards of dragons)
Daemon would needed a dragon which is useful to war but not like other he needed to control it fully cannibal is wild must be difficult or cannibal would burn the entire things....
@@Wash-tq7ed in the books, some non taragryen knight bonded with Vermithor, i think.
Not read the book but heard somewhere..
yeah that's Vermithor...There would be no more Daemon if it was the Cannibal...he had no tolerance for people in general targaryen or not, not even other dragons.
also let me squash a some false information going around regarding the dragon sizes
firstly Vhagar is bigger than Cannibal, GRRM himself stated that she is the largest dragon during the war second only to Balarion, it seems people took the rumor the freefolk had that the Cannibal was on dragonstone before Aegon arrived in Westeros as a confirmed fact and now everyone seems to think he's the biggest dragon in the world, even some big youtube channels spread the false information. Also the showrunners themselves said she is the biggest at the time of the war ruclips.net/video/lNCx7swCFLE/видео.html
Also Vermithor while he is the 2nd largest dragon after Vhagar during the war, he isnt the second oldest, Dreamfyre is actually older but is much smaller likely a result of being housed in the dragonpit for so long
Also if you turn on the subtitles it says Vermithor.
@@CzTrewq yup, so no real debate here
@@kylelee5966 is cannibal alive in Hod universe?
Shall we expect him/her in future seasons ?
Just curious 🤨
@@Sam69555 the showrunners confirmed that the 3 wild dragons have already been designed and are set to appear in the show so that includes Cannibal, sheepstealer and greyghost
@@kylelee5966 so will he participate in dance of dragons or we just expect some short scenes or glimpse of him ?
There isn't much details about Cannibal's size in the book
But wild dragons are supposed to get bigger than other dragons over time because they grow freely while other dragon's growth get affected for being stuck in the dragon's pit
The Cannibal is supposed to be nearly as huge as Vhagar since it is a free dragon
Plus we don't know if diet has anything to do with their growth as well, I mean cannibal is literally eating Dragon protein, dragons are magical so I wouldn't be surprised
He got the name Cannibal becuase he ate his own kind. So yes he is the biggest dragon
@@maddawg9636 its barely ate any dragosn though.. there arent enough about for it to do that
@@jnes624 We don't know how much he ate, it was stated he ate dragon eggs, hatchling and dead dragons, even attacked smaller ones. Either way, dragon meat is dragon meat
He’s supposed to be as big as Balereon actually
I like how weird Carxes is due to the deforming, but even while flying he looks weird. It's like a snake with wings climbing invisible stairs in the air, just rewatch the scene where he and Vhagar were flying
It’s cool to see how unique each dragon is in this show. And caraxes cry is cool too
For me, caraxes looks like a kite
The aerial maneuvers of caraxes is something else. It's like dancing in skies with air current.
Condolences for your brother's death
@@jaecodm2161 he looks like mushu from Mulan
It's 100% Vermithor.. if you watch it with subtitles, it tells you as he growls
Lol. Its funny. Hbo literally tells you. I'm like another character? What's his her backstory
His scales are the literal giveaway considering his nickname
@@leonardoglavan2975 so the subtitle isn't enough?
Yep
yup thats what i said
I just hope i could live long enough to witness the end of the series before my liver cancer kills me....
🤞🏻 sending u love
Sending prayers lods.
Stay strong friend, I believe you can make it
I hope for your recovery.
Bro if bran can make it and be the king in the end u can also win the game of thrones
The moments where we saw the Dragon screaming having an effect on Rhaenyra giving birth, and then the same visual effect being shown when Daemon locked eyes Vermithor... I'd say it was ALL to show that Daemon is truly a Dragon like Dany was
That has already been confirmed many times before in the show. Viserys once told that Daemon has Dragon's blood. Also in one of the episodes, Laena and Daemon were riding when Vhaegar spit fire on laena's command. And Daemon just went right through it without getting burnt.
I think it was rhaenyra giving birth affecting her dragon through the bond?
@@sandeepsingh-er8wr That is true but what about the burn scars on his neck from the war in the step stones? Fire does burn him.
the not burning was only in the show not in the books , and literally all targaryens are descnedants of dragon blood.
@@jackbrian7083 I'm kind of glad the show made that decision... I mean it makes sense to give her/him that ability, a lot of people are saying it was the dragons birth that protected her but I mean... the Dosh Kaleen tent massacre?! No dragons there. All I'm saying.. BRING ON FIRE PROOF DAEMON!
After Balerion Vhagar was the second largest dragon that is clearly told .. and cannibal was black in color while the dragon we saw was brown and wild dragon whose known to eat other dragons won't let anyone approach so easily
It's stated in the Books that Vhagar is the largest *Targaryen* dragon Cannibal is a wild dragon and it is specifically stated nobody was willing to get close enough to actually measure the Cannibal to see how big he was compared to Vhagar. We do know one thing for sure. The Targaryens themselves were too scared to try and take their largest dragons to fight the Cannibal to prevent him from eating their Dragons. Cannibal eating a lot of Dragon eggs and young dragons while living ON Dragonstone it would have been in the Targaryens interest to take Vhagar, Vermithor, or even Balerion to kill The Cannibal so that the very dangerous dragon won't attack any people or dragons again. But None of them were willing to take their dragons to face The Cannibal in fact Targaryens avoided him at all costs.
@@mouse3872 The Cannibal's specialty was killing other dragons, so it'd make sense that everyone and everything would try to steer clear, especially given its the oldest living dragon, and with age the dragons tend to be much larger than any younger ones. Another note would be that The Cannibal was lifelong training in fighting other dragons, and had a very strong diet for carnage.
@@mouse3872 that's a good point. It says a lot about size of cannibal if they won't even take balerion to stop him
@@KaunPrime They Out numbered Cannibal by a significant margin.. which only gives more evidence to the fact that Cannibal may have been larger than Vhagar due to the fact that the Targaryens again never tried hunting it down despite having several large dragons.
@@hosniadnan2623 exactly they for years never considered hunting The Cannibal down even though they had Balerion, Vhagar, and Vermithor. All of which were very large dragons with at least two of those dragons having riders at the same time in multiple points in history. If The Cannibal was really smaller than Vhagar they probably could have gone out and killed it but The Cannibal was likely larger than Vhagar but smaller than Balerion but Younger than Balerion thus making him too dangerous hunting down
It doesn't matter the size. Caraxes is more aggressive than Vhagar and he is half her size. Also, Aegon's dragon is described to be the same size as Syrax's, but he was more aggressive.
Which aegon?
@@rollins_op Aegon II
Yeah, people aren't thinking about all the many different variables, factors in dragon's battle power ... Caraxes has many other traits, most viewers are just ignorant to how much things like speed, agility, aggressiveness, intelligence matter in dragon's when it comes to fighting other dragons.
People hear "biggest dragon" and assume so much, the truth is Merexes can still take on Vhagar & heavily injure it, many grown adult dragons can, its just Vhagar has a better chance of winning & is the strongest in a clean 1vs1. Think the mountain from GoT and all the other fighters like Oberyn, Brienne of Tarth, the hound, Jaime Lannister etc, the mountain is Vhagar but all the other fighters can still hold their own, and even the mountain wouldn't want to risk his life fighting tougher opponents for no reason at all. However the mountain's owners, Tywin & Cersei lannister knew the mountain was stupid & wouldn't want to put him in scenarios he could die for no reason at all.
Caraxes is more like a stealthy assassin dragon, swift & deadly like a snake.
Vhagar is like a massive big dog with dangerous teeth & has been trained heavily for combat like a prized fighting pitbull. Can the most deadly snake on the planet kill a strong old champion pitbull that won 100 dog fights? Yes. But can the pitbull also kill the snake without ever getting poisoned or injured somehow? Yes. But in real life as we've seen in Game of Thrones it's not some fair fight like dogs in a pit, the snake can be hiding in grasses or anywhere out in the jungle while the big dog is out in the open.
Even though Vermithor is smaller than Vhagar the only thing Vhagar really has on him is that Vhagar is a lot more battle experienced... if the Cannibal shows up though, a lot of people that try to ride him will die gruesomely.
And we will definitely see the Cannibal eating dragons, humans, others in Hotd if they decide to find the Cannibal and get him in the fight in desperation or just wanting to terrify & make the greens consider surrendering. But tbh the Cannibal is the most wild & aggressive dragon, he can very well take out the blacks side as well as the greens & just do whatever it wants, even though daemon is even more ballsy than Aemond I wouldn't see him trying to get the Cannibal involved unless he had nothing to lose.
This TV show might be the only chance we get to see the Cannibal so they might do it... but it will be a very scary & sad thing, more like an evil antagonist Ramsey Bolton type character that neither black fans or green fans are too happy about showing up.
@@neltins5308 They definitely should show them since Daemon mentioned the "three wild dragons" (Grey Ghost, Sheepstealer, and the Cannibal). I will assume that, of course, we will have Sheepstealer and Nettles in the main cast, but I think we will get a few scenes with Grey Ghost and the Cannibal, especially since some people will try to ride them, and there's that famous rumor that the Cannibal killed Grey Ghost, but it was actually Sunfyre.
@@avs865 dunno man. Cannibal is kind of... just a big thing. He didn't have any impact on the war aside killing some unknown random idiots. It would be cool to have a scene with him, but spending so much money making a CGI model dragon for a glorified easter egg? I don't think they would
It's Vermithor, Daemon confirms that in the episode.
When??
@@Markone99 when listing the riderless dragons I guess
Who will ride the Vermithor?
@@somerandomguywhoisgoodforn2854 Hugh Hammer
Yes. And since he was ridden by a valerian before, Prince Daemon's song gives sense to make Vermithor remember.
I love how caraxes sounds when you hear him coming that whistling sounds reminds me of like a jet engine winding up
My theory is that Vermy did not attack Daemon and responded to the song is that Jahearyes sang that song to him every time he came to ride him
He’s so gnarly looking that I immediately thought it was The Cannibal.
so imagine how gnarly cannibal looks
@@kylelee5966
I’ll settle for nothing less than a full-on Jocelyn Wildenstein.
@@randyjax09 lol please no, not a bad plastic surgery dragon lol
Why would he ever walk up to cannibal
I think your size estimate is a little off. I’d put him a fair amount longer that both caraxes and Meleys - Also, I believe Vhagars bigger than your estimate.
No, Its pretty accurate tbh
Not as big as Vhagar but definitely more ferocious!!
Cannibal could be larger than Vhagar, considering that it was a westerosi dragon, in which case it is just as old as balerion. Now, consider the fact that The Cannibal was not once ever caged, and was a wild dragon; wild dragons grow at a much more accelerated rate as opposed to any other dragon in the show
Vermithor is maybe 80% Vhagars size, but he is 80 years younger and much more fierce
@@s8theninjawarrior916 no
To find out, turn the subtitles on while watching. When Daemon was singing and the dragon roared, the subtitles read “Vermithor growls“
so what did daemon sing ?
@@sdqsdq6274 old valyrian song, I think dragons understand valerian
@@sdqsdq6274 in English:
“Fire breather
Winged leader
But two heads
To a third sing
From my voice:
The fires have spoken
And the price has been paid
With blood magic
With words of flame
With clear eyes
To bind the three
To you I sing
As one we gather
And with three heads
We shall fly as we were destined
Beautifully, freely”
@@sdqsdq6274 the song is called “Hāros Bartossi (With Three Heads)” written by Ti Mikkel, translation by David J. Peterson (conlang creator of High Valyrian, Dothraki, and other fictional languages on HOTD and GOT).
I'm just wondering; Why the heck are Caraxes and Syrax the same size as they were in the first episode⁉️⁉️ It's been 15 to 20 years!!! They should be freakishly huge by now
Likely budget constraints, so that's why they started them off at good sizes. You gotta make sacrifices sometimes. They already stretched it a lot by giving a lot of them different designs. It would be nice to see them grow but none of the adult dragons need to be larger than they are to tell the story, they only need to have certain sizes relative towards eachother. Caraxes is still considered half the size of Vhagar for example, according to the HBO Guide (He's likely half in length, but definitely not in thickness) Only the young ones needed to be aged up, hence why Vermax is noticeably larger and of a ridable size now.
@@agrimmeon9308 caraxes is deformed so he’ll never Be as bulky as other dragons but he’s longer than most of them
@@agrimmeon9308 that was disturbing seeing no growth but it might be their harnesses restrict growth
@@stephencoleman1936 There are different types of deformities so what your saying doesn't make sense in that regard, you're simplifying. But the showrunners clearly implied that his deformity was his lankiness, so that would indeed effect how thick he grows to be.
@@agrimmeon9308 he’s deformed in a since that he structured more like a wyrm than a wyvern lol I thought this was pretty simple to understand
Vermithor is meant to be gigantic, the second largest ridden dragon since Balerion, but I think its quite clear that Vhagar and possibly Cannibal are larger
No one ever said Vermithor was the second largest ridden dragon since Balerion. Good chance Meraxes was bigger when Queen Rhaenys rode her and Vhagar is definitely bigger than Vermithor.
@@ChrisM-dx8up i think you misread the comment. the commentor said 'since balerion', meaning after balerion's death. meraxes and vhagar are definitely bigger, however meraxes died many years before balerion, and vhagar is the FIRST largest ridden dragon since balerion, whereas the commentor said vermithor was the SECOND.
@@jeane3422 Nah, pretty sure he meant Vermithor was known to be bigger than Vhagar since he said "but" as if he's disagreeing that Vhagar is in fact bigger than Vermithor, as if people believe that.
@@ChrisM-dx8up he literally said 'its quite clear vhagar is larger" ??
@@ChrisM-dx8up Meraxes with 70/80 years old, Vermithor is almost 100
If you had subtitles on while watching the scene when daemon sung to the dragon, it names the dragon as vermithor.
If that had been Cannibal, Daemon wouldn't have left that cave.
It’s Vermithor. The subtitles in HOTD read “Vermithor growls”.
Also, cannibal is wild, Daemon would not approach him, where as Vermithor was ridden by Jahaerys and was said to have been friendlier to men in his older age.
Its vermithor, currently he is the only one in terms of size, who could face vhagar. He may be not as big as her, but he is experienced.
Don't the books explicitly say that Meleys and Caraxes can also fight Vhagar
But as far as I know, it is Caraxes who will meet with Vhagar
fiercer, that scar alone tells it.
oh my tha little dragon.. what a blow to ones insides.. boy got the curve to be the most loveable easily too. hence must be killed is saurons show or will vhagar dive? i dont think so sauron? at this point i just watch the show because this hurt me so much.
Vermithor isn't experienced, he just a big dragon, Vermithor never fought in a real war before the dance, Just the failed Dornish invasion that ended in one day and when Myrish pirates invaded tarth, that's it
@@arjunr2645 yes, but thats more because of their riders
I think it'S weird that Syrax doesn't seem bigger in EP. 10 than in EP. 1. Even through it's more than 15 years between those two scences
She is a bit bigger, but there is still a huge gap between her and Meleys
Dragon gets bigger if they left on the wild
The showrunners did admit that it was because of budget.
@@bugs1285 no
@@bugs1285 Yeah, they didn't feed her enough. Lol
Vermithor from this scene, even though huge, does look smaller than Vaghar. Vaghar's size as seen in EP10 is terrifyingly huge. The size difference would be like a tiger vs leopard.
But Vermithor is still large enough to not be cut into two by Vhagar(rip arrax)
BTW I havent read any HOTD books so ..
Yes I agree ... Vermithor, Caraxes and Meleys are able fight Vhagar.
I think Vermithor is better version od Vhagar.
He is younger (maybe 100 old) and almost as big as Vhagar. And yes he would not be cut in half
Vermithor is a continent. Ps you should read fire and blood it was very entertaining. There's other eras in targaryen rule in it, not just this one.
Vhagar is the largest dragon at this point, since Balerion passed away not long after Viserys bonded with him. After Vhagar is Vermithor, then Meraxes who is closely followed by The Cannibal. The reason why this dragon in particular is Vermithor is because Vermithor was much more accepting of people and new riders, The Cannibal was a wild dragon that could not be tamed. Vermithor recognised the High Valyrian song and was soothed by it, proving that this is likely Vermithor.
Are all the wild dragons at the dragon stone by the dance of the dragon happened?
I don't know if anyone watched Ep. 10 with CC on, but when the dragon rumbled the first time, it stated "Vermithor"... :)
What kind of threw me aside about this episode 10 first season of HOTD Final Episode was the formal Mention of The Blacks VS The Greens. Please correct me if I'm wrong but in the prior Nine episodes it was never mentioned about Black versus Green at least amongst the Characters .
No, youre right. I noticed that as well
All you gotta do is turn on the subtitles while watching that scene and you have your answer.
The Cannibal was said to make an appearance, but obviously as a wild dragon within dragon mound in HOTD. Largest and Oldest of the wild dragons. Basically the closest thing we’ll get to Balerion-sized dragon on the show. Season 2-3 btw
Wait really? they 100% confirmed it? thats awesome if true
Vhagar is bigger. GRRM has already stated Vhager is the largest dragon alive in that time period.
Source?
@@Bitchslapper316 no grrm said vhagar is the largest targaryen dragon alive in that time period/ridden dragon, the cannibal is neither a targaryen dragon nor a ridden dragon, which those specific words can play a part in what the show depicts him as. and yes he is confirmed to be in season 2, all 3 wild dragons will be in season 2 and were said to be the favorites of the design team.
@@sanjaysanj5603 No he said Vhagar is the largest Dragon. The cannibal isn't some mythical beast that no one has seen and is only talked about in stories. He lives on Dragonstone and has been observed for a century.
It's confirmed by Condal that it is Vermithor. Also no he would not be bigger than Vhagar since it seems like he's been hiding in that cave or so it seems, which would have stunted his growth. Probably the 3rd biggest dragon next to Vhagar and The Cannibal.
Cannibal would eat Daemon without second thought 🤣🤣🤣
In the subtitles it’s says “Vermithor growls” so it is the bronze fury
The Cannibal was never kept within the Dragonmount. It nested on its own, not within the man made structures.
Something big coming.. 🔥🥵
Is Vermithor
Cannibal is a Wild Dragon
Vhagar is damn scary very big huge and the nickname at that time was the smallest of all three dragons Blood Wyrm is very fitting. that dragon is dangerous, experienced, mature furious and battle ready.
If you watch the episode with subtitles on, it literally has some subtitles coming from "Vermithor" when the dragon growls
Es vermithor por los colores cannibal es negro y este tiene colores como bronce o cobre que creo que eran los colores del dragón de jahaerys , aparte cannibal es un dragón libre sin jinete , este dragón se puede notar que en cierta manera entiende la canción en valyrio que canta Daemon y si mal no me equivoco Daemon estaba intentando a acceder a vermithor por el tamaño que poseia
The subtitles confirm it’s vermithor
Is ist episode of S2 already coming on next week or we have to wait...
They got Balerions skull in the Keep 200 years after his death. Legendary status. When they make a series on Aegons conquest, it’s going to be insane.
If you watch the ep with the captions on it literally says “Vermithor”….case closed
when you first watch the scene you think that maybe he rivals vaygar in size but when you see vaygar a scene later you can clearly see how much bigger she is.
As someone who’s not read the books but wants too, what’s the best (or chronological) way to read them
has anyone observed there is no "dragon rider seat" on the dragon shown...if it is vermithor there should be one like vhagar(or any other dragon) as it is already ridden once?
or am I not able to see the dragon rider seat?
If he sang to the cannibal he wouldn’t be singing long🤣
To my understanding Cannibal was seen to breathe dark flames and was exceptionally hostile to anyone who bothered him. So likely Verminthor
No. The black flame dragon (God that sounds so badass) is Balerion the Black Dread and him only. There's no mention to Cannibal's fire in the books. And yes, the dragon in the escene is Vermithor. Any book reader would recognize his eyes from a very particular escene in the book. And any only show viewer can confirm it using the captions
@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 Isn’t “Black Flame Dragon” a Yu-Gi-Oh! monster?
@@hidoradaikaiju4205 yep, Horus the Black Flame Dragon. But Balerion is waaaaay more badass.
If you had the captions on when you watched the episode it told you which dragon it was
Cannibal was bigger and older. But it was wild with no riders and used to feed on other small dragons
Just my opinion but here goes. I believe the massive skeletal dragon they come across in the red waste in essos in the book is the cannibals. He was last seen flying east after corlys veleryns funeral at sea.
What episode
@@chodesniffer2187 he said book not show
@@chodesniffer2187 I was going to roast you because you didnt read the comment. This shit is getting old.. I wont be a dick though. Its not in the show man its from the books. Its when dany and the few loyal dothraki she had left after her stillbirth and khal drogos death she sends riders out in each direction in the red waste and one comes across an absolute behemoth of a dragon. So big he rode is horse through it.
@@djtwister6997 no its in show too when dany is traveling across the red waste
@@chodesniffer2187 some where in s2
Caraxes isn't deformed, he's just a different breed of dragon
Miguel Sapochnik directly implied that he was deformed calling him the "Elephant Man" of dragons and that deformity being his longness. It doesn't matter what you want to think if that's how they purposefully designed him. And he clearly belongs to the same breed as Meleys and Vermax, Vermax more noticably so, considering their head shape, and in Vermax's case, similarities in their designs (Side frills, brow horns)
he's both lol
He is deformed.
@@agrimmeon9308 same breed as Vermax is likely, but he doesnt look anything like Meleys other than colour
@@kylelee5966 The closeup of Meleys face in episode 9 shows differently. That's why I mentioned their face/head shapes in my comment. She doesn't have a blocky snout like Seasmoke or Dany's Dragons. And she doesn't have a thick and rounded snout like Vhagar or Syrax. She has a pointed snouts just like Caraxes and Vermax. The showrunners specified head shape specifically as being the distinguishing feature between the three types of dragons. Not other bodily features. They are obviously still the same species with the same body layout. And there are different levels of distinction between subspecies depending on their evolutionary history, and they clearly still want to make the dragons distinct within those three subgroups. And if you want to counteract that, they've already said that not every dragon received the same level of attention to their designs.
Vermithor Is literally described as the second largest living dragon. Cannibal was smaller therefore.
Hey, can I get a link for that slideshow with all dragons and their riders?
Found it: instagram.com/p/CjLeB-JLuVO/?hl=en
Cannibal can even still be alive during GoT time. Which will make him the most massive ever.
Hope to see him in the SNOW sequel
Not like it matters, if there aren't many dragons left in the world
@@remyd8767 literally two, (drogon and perhaps the cannibal)
But I’m sure he’s long dead, even though it’s been rumoured that it wasn’t a westerosi dragon.
Cannibal is loooong dead by the time of GoT, it said that that Dragons can live forever if their growth is controlled. The reason Balerion died wasn't because he was getting old, it was because he got too big for his own bone structure and he could not support his own weight anymore. The same thing is happening to Vhagar as seen from the show, her skin is starting to sag over because shes so massive.
Balerion died of old age at like 200? Hotd time Cannibal is already pushing that, by got time he'd be almost 400. No surprise he "vanishes" probably goes back to valyria to die
😢❤❤vermithor
It actually showed in the subtitles that it was Vermithor that Daemond was singing to.
The dragon he sings to is Vermithor. When you have subtitles on it says "Vermithor growls"
What’s crazy to think about is that most of the large dragons in the show are old, having had one or more previous riders, and that they are still growing as dragons never stop growing. This means that it took them decades if not centuries to get to their current size. Then we see how Drogon grew to the size of Caraxes and maelys if not bigger in just a few years. Makes u wonder how absolutely massive Drogon would be near the end of his life. Probably bigger than balerion himself
Dragons growth will probably slow down as he ages. Drogon got this big in the show only due to freedom it enjoyed unlike other dragons. Even if it continued to grow at this rate in future, it end up dying early being too big exist in this world, starving , unable to carry its own weight with wings.
Probably bigger? If it keeps growing at the same rate by the time is 200 like Balerion it will be as big as the red keep. I did the "math" and sure enough it was ridiculously big. GOT messed up with drogons size
@@samdetroper9118 Well based on Balerion's skull he's 3.3 times larger than s7 Drogon, Drogon could equal him in size in 150+years.
@@MasterOfTheElements at 8 years old and Balerion is only 3.3 times larger than him?? Like I said simple math shows how badly they messed up drogons size, it should not be so big. Once Drogon reaches 200 years old like Balerion it would be able to step over the wall in the north
@@samdetroper9118 Well the older the dragons get the slower they grow, and to me that makes perfect sense.
cannibal is a wild dragon probably flying around valyria or aashai by now. and there's more bigger than him. imagine a dragon bigger than Balerion
I do wonder how such a huge dragon could sustain itself
He is dead. At must he lived like 10 or 20 years after the Dance
great video
Those messed up jagged teeth on the dragon looks like how human cannibals are depicted with messed up jagged teeth
This gives me an idea,they should make a series about aegon and his path to the iron throne,obviously that would sell,in that show there could be a fight scene between Balerion and Cannibal,Balerion wins or they draw and both walk away,common who wouldn't want to see that
If they make such a show I hope it’s a Limited series. Sure it would be cool but not that interesting knowing that it’s a quite straightforward conquest. The dance is a civil war between dragons so there is at least a sense of challenge, betrayal, factionalism. The conquest was just a conquest and an easy one
@@GabrieleTarallo yeah I guess,but the hype and action though
@@GabrieleTarallo make a better movie
@@GabrieleTarallo yep its not game of thrones 1 season would be enough for aegons conquest but for me its not the same if we all know the ending it just isnt that interesting
Imo at this point Aegon and his conquest have become far more legendary than anything else in the entire saga. It would be so hard to do it if DOTD succeeded, as the standard would rise to an unbelievable level. The only reason DOTD is considered a great show is the failure of GOT. The first 4 seasons of GOT are still on a level that will likely never be reached again. The conquest would better be kept as a story to avoid disappointment.
its clearly vermithor
It’s Vermithor by the description in the episode’s subtitles
The scar on his lip is a big indicator of identity
It’s not cannibal, he has glowing green eyes and solid black on black
He does, but as we've seen, they aren't sticking 100% to the description of the dragons for colouration. The dragon in the taming scene is definitely Vermithor though, since Cannibal would just eat any and everyone who bothered him lol.
The Cannibal is probably bigger and older than Vhagar, the thing is he is probably the most wild dragon there is in the story, and we don't know if he died because he took flying and never came back, so we don't even know if he's dead in the current time
Canninal was born on dragonstone after the conquest, vhagar was alive and a fully grown adult dragon during the conquest so no,vhagar is older and bigger.
@@sinanc.4635 cannibal was on Dragonstone before Targaryen's set foot on Westeros.
@@produs1740 So was Vhagar,only dragon older than both Vhahar and Meraxes was Balerion,since he was born in valyria.
@@sinanc.4635 when targaryens first set foot from Valyria to Dragonstone, cannibal was already there, so for sure its bigger and stronger than vhagar, maybe even balerion now, the thing is, it cant be tamed
@@produs1740 There was no dragonstone before targaryens,it was just a desolate unpopulated volcanic island,how can a dragon be there before them???
its very clearly Vermithor who has lived under the volcano on dragon stone since his rider King Jaehearys ( the king we saw on the throne in the first episode flashback that Viserys ended up taking rule from)known as Bronze Fury
If you watch it with subtitles, it says it’s Vermithor roaring. Just turn on the subtitles.
Did you guys saw on the reflection of hands of Daemon on the eyes of Vermitor like he is trying to claim him? I’m pretty sure they can only claim one dragon. What is your thought about this?
That's all the plot...if he wants he could have claimed but he calmed the dragon...so his allies could claim vermithor⚡⚡⚡
@@Joe-nf2uf I believe ....like some changes in the show, this can can very well change as well. Daemon might ride vermithor against vhagar
daemon would have been around the dragon when his grandfather had him im not suprised he was able to get near especially singing to him.
We saw Vermithor, at least that’s what the subtitles referred to him as. Vermithor is smaller than Vhagar but not by much. Cannibal I believe is bigger than even Balerion was, as he was born just after Balerion, but is still alive decades after Balerion died.
No. Cannibal is way younger. Balerion is the only dragon alive before the Doom, and he, with Meraxes and Vaghar, were the only dragons big enough to fight during the conquest. Cannibal is a second generation dragon by all accounts, aside some rumors treated like rumors from the smallfolk.
It was also said that Jaehaerys also sang to his dragon so it is definitely Vermithor.
There might be a twist. Daemon might have been able to connect with the Cannibal and might have held him hidden in some pit. That at the time of need he will wake it up and I think that’s exactly happening as Daemon approaches in the old valerian tongue, coz that dragon was never tamed in westerosi land.
People underestimate how large the Cannibal actually is. It's actually theorized that the Cannibal is the reason that when Balerion once went to visit Valyria, he returned without a rider and injured. Cannibal should actually be scarier than Vhaegar and Vermithor
Did balerion and cannibal fight nd was balerion winning???
@@boring3135 No one won.
"It's actually theorized" it's theorized by reddit users and youtube commenters. There is 0 evidence in any book Balerian fought the cannibal. The Cannibal isn't some mythical beast that no one has seen, he literally lived on dragon stone. It was "wild" because it could not be tamed or ridden.
Ot only says that it was the largest of the wild untamed dragons and that it was known to have eaten smaller dragons.
@@Bitchslapper316 theorized because it happened during the time Cannibal was around and what else could have hurt Balerion except a different dragon just as scary and dangerous
It’s Vermithor… Joys of watching shows like this with subtitles on is you pick up on little details like that. 😂
When Daemon goes to visit him in the finale, and after Vermithor unleashes his fire show…the subtitles pop up and say “Vermithor grumbles”
Turn on subtitles kiddos. 🤙🏻
Why are you assuming people should read? Is not like a life advantage or something...
Closed captions said “Vermithor roaring”
I think the idea of them throwing cannibal at the greens to have him eat their dragons or attempt to.
No it isn't.
The dragons in HOTD do the trick but they dont even come close to Drogon. That design and his size probably constitute the best dragon ever put to screen
We should likely expect to see other dragons in the same form as Drogon - like Dreamfyre will very likely look much the same, aside from colouration. Personally, I think they will make Cannibal appear similar in the very horned/intimidating type of way - only Cannibal is entirely black. If we ever get the Aegon the Conqueror spin off, Balerion will also probably be similar too.
You still haven't seen MELEYS The Red Queen fight 1v2 against SUNFYRE AND VHAGAR, that would be next season along with Blood and Cheese (IfYouKnowYouKnow) (:/)! ALSO Tessarion another She Dragon roughly the Size of Viserion but NATURALLY BLUE WITH BLUE FLAMES (;))! Tessarion dies fighting in a rage after her rider is dismounted, and goes RIGHT FOR Vermithor and Seamoke or Silverwing if I'm not mistaken...
*Either way you have yet to See Vermithor in all his Might, THE SAME could be said for SUNFYRE and Meleys after Aegon the 2nd fights alongside his Brother against The Red Queen with Vhagar... AND Caraxes seeing as how He and Daemon end the War in 1 Duel Dragon Rider to Dragon Rider (._.)! With both falling from the sky above the God's Eye Lake (:/)!*
...and about Drogons appearance.. he's often compared to The Black Dread in terms of not only his size but specifically his Rapid Growth and INCREASE in Size over the Years... Overall it's said the Dragons with the Potential to grow as big as Belerion The Black Dread were Vhagar, Sunfyre if he lived long enough, AND Drogon... and indeed whenever I think of Belerion The Black Dread, I imagine a COLOSSAL DROGON with Black Scales and Eyes as terrifying as his grin (._.)! I can only imagine how heavily Armored the Black Dread must've been with such TONS of Dragon Scales and Dragon bone... TRULLY an UNSTOPPABLE FORCE of Nature... but yes Drogon is Menacingly Massive AND Terrifying to say the least..
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq emmm dude. You did see Drogon on GoT. He was big but still smaller than Meleys and Caraxes. He looked like a reborn Balerion but he was still too young to compare to most adult dragons.
Just watch until the second season. Drogon is a pet at most.
@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 I know he's not the biggest but compared to MoonDancer or even Tessarion,... he's battle ready and more used to battle than other Dragons his age..
Vermithor is called Bronze Fury, Cannibal is black. So this dragon is obviously Cannibal wearing bronze face (like wearing black face).
This is vermithor. the wild dragons won't be introduced until much later
That was Vermithor as shown by the subtitles calling him so lmao
Which book should I buy to read the continuity of house of dragons
Ao que se entende Cannibal nunca foi um dragão targaryen, sendo relatado por pescadores que viviam em pedra do dragão antes da chegada dos targaryen em Westeros que esse dragão já vivia na ilha ele também não gostava dos dragões targaryen e nem de membros da familia targaryen isso justifica que ele não era um dragão targaryen e provavelmente era um dragão valiriano selvagem que vivia em Valíria antes da Perdição ou era um dragão valiriano de outra familia que foi extinta na Perdição '' existiam 40 familias que domavam dragões em Valiria de acordo com a Wiki de Gelo e Fogo '' ninguém nunca chegou perto demais de Cannibal para relatar as suas medidas aproximadas mesmo porque não teria voltado com vida mas é citado que ele era o maior dos 3 dragões selvagens e conforme já vivia na ilha antes dos targaryen chegarem la ele então é mais velho que Vhagar e conforme os dragões desse universo ficam maiores dependendo da linhagem e da idade então Cannibal pode ser do tamanho de Balerion no auge porem uma versão de dragão não domável diferente do balerion que poderia ser domado por um targaryen, ainda não vimos Cannibal na Serie e nem se confirma se ele vai aparecer na proxima temporada ao menos de relance devorando uma carcaça de dragão por exemplo para se ter ideia se realmente é enorme, nem se sabe se pela idade ele pode já ser bem velho igual Vhagar se for de outra linhagem de dragão ele pode estar apenas na adolescência, pode até ser um dragão do mundo não conhecido ou seja que não veio de Essos '' Valíria '' e Westeros e a parte mapeada de Shotoryos que se limita apenas a um pedaço da costa desse Continente misterioso apelidade de inferno verde, existem outros Continentes além desses 2 conhecidos e esse terceiro pouco conhecido, tem por exemplo Ulthos mas se o planeta fictício do escritor ter como base as característica da Terra em termo de Continentes então pode existir também um quinto Continente além de Ulthos que nem aparece no mapa mundi de Gelo e Fogo esse no caso seria talvez o equivalente as Americas ou ulthos pode ser um Continente tão grande quanto Essos e o estimado para Sothoryos só que apenas uma pontinha dele aparece no mapa mundi apenas para dizer que existem 4 Continentes sendo assim Cannibal pode ter vindo também de algum lugar de Shotoryos ou Ulthos que é um Continente inexplorável e muito misterioso.
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I think cannibal just files off to east at the end and yrs later dany found his bones in the desert . But yea he probably would have been largest at the time of his death ,i.e.. if he ever died and considering he was never a targaryan dragon or maybe not even a valaryian dragon he may have arrived from sothoryos or ulthros and probably just resided on dragonstone
Im shocked the last scene wasn't of Cannibal
The cannibal is black. Vermithor is the same size and more stable to control. Daemon chose right
@@ralphdadon3026 I know this but at least show it. It's the one dragon missing from the season and it's 2024 at best next season
@@nodatastored684 Why would it be Cannibal? Overall, he plays no real part in the war. There are many dragons still missing from season 1 - like the other 2 wild dragons, as well as other notable dragons that affect the story later on. Anyone trying to actively claim Cannibal is just going on a suicide mission. Cannibal stays wild for the entire duration of the story.
@@isayahsnow2767 can you think of a more fearsome predator
This is Vermithor. My cousin had subtitles on and it said as the dragon roared (vermithor groans)
Cannibal reminds me of Saltwater / Nile Crocodiles, impossible to tame and have zero tolerance for a younger Earth species like humans. It would be amazing to have a gigantic wild-card dragon preying on both the Greens and the Blacks.
The Cannibal is different. The cannibal is a wild dragon and its size is bigger than vhagar and Vermithor. It's the second largest dragon after Balerion.
Cannibal is larger than Balerion.
@@AllanRinnegan *No, The Cannibal is NOT, I'd wreckon Slightly bigger than Vhagar though, with a bit more Health on it's side all things considered (;))! I imagine a Diet consisting of Dragons is quite Filling (;))!
@@AllanRinnegan NO.
@@AllanRinnegan Literally no evidence for that at all lmao
Drogon at age 50 would proly reck them all he is a young Balerion imo the strongest of them all in books
That scene when he melts iron throne was epic..
Dream on!!
Drogon has the potential to be in Balerion size because they are the same breed of large dragon.
@@MJTCycling First of all Listen. Dreamfyre is the mother of Drogon, Viserion, Rhaegal, and Seasmoke and many other Dragons.
They are all the Same Breed, the Reason they are comparing Drogon and Balerion is they are Identical in appearance. Both are black with Red horns. and from different timeline, So they say he is a Reincarnation of the Black Dread.
Now, for Drogon to Reach Balerion and Vhaghar's size, First he have to live for over 150 years and have to be trained should have a rider or a mate to live long.
Otherwise there are 10 dragons on the Dance that can kill Drogon for Fun.
Let alone Cannibal, Caraxes, Vermithor, Vhaghar, Meleys and etc. Drogon will be a Snack for them.
I can't tell but Just look at those crooked teeth, so creepy and so cool. Any new dragon is an awesome prospect.
I just want to know if Balerion got the neck gullet like Vhagar with his old age too. 😆
NO, he is not as big or bigger than vhagar
Did you even watch the video?
only vhagar is bigger than vermithor
Right considering it is Vermithor why is daemon signing to him ?
Telling him that he would find him a new rider
@@venkatesanganeshan1149 Vermithor is a he😄😄😄
@@mohammedshafiq9438 oh my bad.
So he doesn't get eaten.
Also there was another dragon meraxes that was bigger than Vhagar but smaller than balerion but died around aegon conquest
for some reason I still love drogon
Cannibal would have killed him, like he does everything else.
Also guys Cannibal was bigger than Balerion, he was living there before the Targaryens moved in. The biggest known dragon .
You cant know that, since he probably killed everyone that saw him xD. No one knows how big he was or what happened to Cannibal.
not the biggest known dragon. the old dragons of the high lords of Old Valyria are the biggest dragons to ever have lived
Cannibal being on dragonstone before the Targs is just a smallfolk superstition, not to be taken seriously atall.
Cannibal was not bigger than Balerion, that's dumb, the idea he was there before the Targaryens is just smallfolk superstition, it's not true. At the very most he'd be around the same size as Meleys or Caraxes, and that'd be at a push in my mind.
Well i hope he is as big as balerion but we will never know! Cannibal!!
Cannibal. is his namesake for a reason
Cannibal he lives in the wild
This is vermithor cannibal is in another place by himself.
U guys gotta remember who used to ride Vhagar.
Visenya, Aegon the conqueror's older sister. A mean lady to be sure. She might be slow, but she's a mean beastie.
I mean, the closed captioning literally say “vermithor roars”. LOL
It's Vermithor, Cannibal was completely wild and would've killed Daemon pretty much on the spot. There's also no way Cannibal was bigger than Balerion, Vhagar or even Vermithor (I'd be surprised if he was even the size of Meleys), the idea Cannibal was around since before the Targaryens is ridiculous, it's a tale among the smallfolk, it's not a credible or accurate source at all.
I don't get why people are so interested in Cannibal, he's completely irrelevant, it's a nice inclusion to the lore, but he literally plays no role whatsoever in the story, if he shows up as anything other than being mentioned in conversation, I'd genuinely consider it a serious waste of money and screentime.
...the cannibal scares away sheepstealer, a dragon nearly 70 years old... to say he's not even as big as Meleys is really ignorant tbh...
@@s8theninjawarrior916 yes but even they have confirmed non of the wild dragons will appear till season 2 so it's obvious it's vermithore, plus cannibal could be big but his size is never specified as much as the other dragons and we will se how big they decide to make him if he appears in season 2
About the size of Cannibal:
1. Sheepstealer was 80 year old (from the book) and he never being locked so it a very likely he was bigger than Caraxes and Meley ( around 70 years oldand half the size of Vhagar). Cannibal was known to be the olddest and largest of the wild dragons
2. At one time when Sheepstealer was going to kill 2 people try to tame him. Cannibal appear and just easily chase Sheepstealer away. In order to do that I believe he not just bigger but significantly bigger than Sheepstealer which put him atleast in the Vermithor-Vhagar range
@@jackgould5332 I know, i was only referring to the cannibal's size
@@s8theninjawarrior916 Yeah, but Seasmoke also drove away Sheepstealer tho, and he was a much younger and smaller dragon, probably only about 30-40 years old, since Laenor was the first person to ride him. Plus, (spoilers) Seasmoke also ends up killing Vermithor, a dragon 3 times his own size as Fire and Blood tells us, so it's absolutely possible for a smaller dragon to overpower a larger dragon, especially one as fierce and aggressive as Cannibal.
If you have subtitles on, its vermithor (says it in the text)
That was Vermithor because Daemon singing a lullaby that was also sang by first rider of Vermithor.
The idea that in these already terrifying creatures there is one that sustains itself through cannibalism is fucking spinechilling. That there exists a dragon that would not bond with human nor dragon kin and would willingly attack and eat other dragons is probably the scariest dragon around.