How Big Is Balerion & Vhagar Compared To Middle Earth Dragons?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The House of the Dragon from Game of Thrones and the Middle Earth Dragons from Tolkien are two of the most popular movie and TV series franchises. This is MindQ's estimated size so do share your thoughts in the comment section.
Ancalagon is on entirely different level than those small drakes from Game of Thrones series. Ancalagon is easily a Titan size level, when it spread its wings apart... It covers the sun and sky in darkness. That's how truly massive Ancalagon is. It's like Ghidorah but on super steroids.
He can make Ghidorah a baseball
Yea hes like 10 x the size of mv Ghidorah
Is there a chance that we might see Anacalgon in a flashback in Rings of Power series?
@@AnupomAG they don’t have the rights
@@AnupomAG no because they dont have rights to show him
Anacagon broke mountains when he fell - no contest
Both are great, only difference is that ME dragons are a creation of the devil in that story, a literal angel.
Let's not forget that the 3 peaks of Thangorodrim were taller than Mt. Everest, so the fact that Ancalagon crushed them while dying shows how much of a different level of dragon he was
Only a few fictional dragons are bigger, though when one of them's the size of multiple galaxies... well let's just be glad THAT dragon is enslaved like a genie.
@@Dark_Jaguar super shenron? 😂
@@Arirezz We're also glad he's a little ethereal, or all that matter would seriously screw with all the gravity in that local cluster.
Yeah that's not Kaiju size. I see vhagar as Kaiju size. Smaller than full size Kaiju but she's definitely so large that's it's really hard to judge her size. Its just so fucking big
@@Dark_Jaguar Leave Aurelion Sol alone, you LOUT!
Ancalagon was a different monster entirely. Monstrously powerful and highly intelligent. Smaug is much smaller than Ancalagon so wrap your head around that.
no he isnt ancalagon is like the most powerful dragon on middlee earth
Smaug isn't even close to Ancalagon, but he isn't as small as he's made out here. Sauron didn't create them that is a rumor I believe with out fact?
@@TheOther644 Morgoth is the creator of the dragons
@@Luriosca Yep, nd that's why I said Sauron isn't that creator.
@@onetimethurman583 how? Ballerion to ancalagon is like human to ballerion
I think your chart at the end underrepresented Ancalagon. Pretty sure the others could play quite comfortably on the top of his head without bothering him.
Yeah, He's massive
@@trilldadon100yago5 as big as a mountain
So let the battle begin with balerion say's google balerion can killed ancalagon , balerion is the strongest, biggest and the prime of meraxes and vhagar the two giant dragon.no one can kill the balerion and it didn't die in fighting it die because of his old age
@@she_ryl1919 not a chance in hell. Balerion was large and powerful yes, but Ancalagon was so large he was more like a force of nature than a dragon.
How can you fight a hurricane that causes tornados and lightning storms in its wake?
@@argonianaccount1876 says google even if ancalagon is big strong still balerion win
As much as I love Balerion, Ancalagon is not just your typical dragon. He is intelligent not the I know who my master is kind of way, but intelligent like capable of rationalizing and strategizing. He was a powerhouse in the war at Arda and was able to drive back the forces of the Valars. Ballerion was more like a bully, burning down mere mortals. Not that he is weak, he killed another dragon but that is nowhere near fight the Valars and a flock of Great Eagles.
Well to be fair all the dragons in J. R. R. Tolkien's books and shows are a lot more then the animal like dragons in George R. R. Martin's books and shows.
Of course, they are Maiars like Sauron, Wizards or Thorondir (King of eagles). Powerfull spirits and lesser Gods of Arda.
@@miroslavperoutka225 where did you get that they're maiar? They're not maiar as long as i remember.
@The One Loser Guy exactly.
@@TheOther644 exactly. BUT, not all LoTR dragons are more powerful that ASoIF dragons. When it comes to Ancalagon though, I doubt even 3 Balerions could beat him. It's his massive size and intellect combined.
Remember, when Tolkien says that Morgoth let evil spirits enter into creatures, such as dragons, what he really means is Maia. Maybe not as powerful as Sauron or Gothmog, but in the case of Ancalacon the Black, very close to Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs. So, unlike Game of Thrones, Tolkien's dragons have divine beings in them. You are not talking about a large powerful magical beast, but a large powerful beast with an extremely powerful evil demigod. Balerion the Black Dread would soil himself when confronted by Ancalagon the Black.
Just a small note, it's not that clear that it's always Mayar he is talking about in these cases, I'd actually argue that it's only in some cases that can be reasonably inferred. Take the barrow wights for an example, which are created when the Witch King sent evil spirits to inhabit the corpses in the Barrow Downs. I'd say its hard to argue that those evil spirits are Mayar, both due to the power of the wights and because Nazgûl are not on the same powerlevel as Mayar and it would thus be weird if the Nazgûl could command them.
On another, I'm not sure if Tolkien actually describes Dragons as being inhabited by evil spirits, at least not in the Silmarillion. I know he does when it comes to werewolves for example (which is most probably Mayar in that case), but as I understood it Morgoth just infused dragons with a part of his magic. If I'm wrong I'd be very grateful if you could tell me where Tolkien wrote about it!
@@adrianhultman6236 However, it is not clear how it can be any other way. It clearly says in The Silmarillion that Morgoth cannot create living things of his own. There are several points where he imprisons 'unclean spirits' but does not say much more. Clearly Morgoth cannot create spirits, and anything he puts his power into would not be animated unless he put his mind to them. (See of Aule and the dwarves.)
The only other place he may be able to get them is from men or orcs, the latter his corruption of elves. This may be possible if he has the power to withhold those spirits from their normal process. (Going beyond the world or to Mandos .) Clearly the dragons are way too powerful for the spirits of men. Now, could they be the spirits of orcs given some of Morgoth's power to enhance them? Yes, but I feel it is a stretch. I think it clear that the Ainur come in a spectrum of power and some are just weenies but still useful. They might be so weak compared to Sauron, Balrogs, Ungoliant, etc., that they are only thought of as spirits.
Regardless, I still think Ancalagon the Black would eat Balerion for a snack.
@@vladimpaler3498you’re forgetting that morgoth could have created the dragons in the same way that he created the orcs, by corrupting other creatures
@@jakealter5504 Tolkien made it clear that Morgoth created his creatures, including dragons, in this way. What we are discussing here is where he got the spirits that inhabit them. This he does not always make clear is where these sprits came from. Based on his extant text the only source would be very, very minor Ainur.
@@vladimpaler3498 that or he created them by corrupting other creatures, it’s just a different kind of creation
If Smaug is accurate from the movie..GOT dragons are small
He is that big
Vhaegar will be as big as Balerion in the House of the Dragon in the HBO series. If the content creator of this video showed Balerion almost at the same size as Smaug, we will wait and see and compare them in the upcoming episodes of the series. :)
@@michaelcortez6596 no he won't, Vhagar was never as big as balerion, by the dance vhagar was around Balerion size during Maegor Reign, that was 90 years before the dance for comparison
No he's not,he's actually smaller than drogon in the books,he's only big in live action,and that wasn't even his skull in the TV show game oth thrones,there is another skull in HOTD which is way bigger than that,that's balerion,live action and books balerion are sooo much bigger than books and live action smaug
@@jadenmcmillan4306 he is not smaller than drogon in the books the movie is accurate
Ancalagon and his host were able to push back the host of the valar, an army made up of Noldor, vanyar, maia and some valar. Even if he wasnt the size we think he was he would still stomp every army in asoiaf combined along with their dragons. He literally put gods and archangels on the back foot....
There is also divine magic in middle earths dragons, even if a maia spirit was not embodying them, they were still infused with Melkors power, making them far more potent in power than asoiaf dragons.
Yes ✅
Ancalagon sees Balerion
Ancalagon: oh look, a dragon...fly
I loved dragons very much. It’s unfortunate that there aren’t too many films or tv shows portraying them as main characters and more personality
you mean dragonality?
Actually there are plenty of stories featuring dragons as main protagonists or supporting ones.
Veldora, Veldanava, Velzado,Velgrynd, Milim, Neltharion, Wrathion, Alexstrazsa, Ysera, and Alduin: *And I took that personally*
@@redenriot4577 lol he said tv shows and films, you proceed to tell him about 5 from games and 5 from an anime, not really accurate :/
@@Thomas-um5pv So? Lmao I only named fictional dragons who are intelligent and has a lot of personality. Also ur late xD to reply.
Ancalogon cant even be called a dragon, it was more of a mystical creature than a mythical one
it could fly as fast as light and could shatter armies with a mere breath
trust be balerion and vhagar would be his toothpicks
Nothing can fly as fast as light. Your mass would approach infinity as you get close to the speed of light.
@@Asthfghl bro
@@Asthfghl really? That's the only thing that's not realistic here?
@@erikcallenfors yes because its still in the realm of possibility that you could have scaly flying creatures that breathe fire, but to transcend the physics that the world is built on gets unnatural
@@erikcallenfors Flying beasts being so big as to hide the sun and shatter armies - sure, while highly unlikely at least it's explainable with the laws of physics. But flying at the speed of light? Please. Unless it's just a figure of speech, aren't we getting a bit too far? ;-)
How big is Ancalagon? Big enough to destroy a mountain when he fell.
3 mountains
Drogon was very young to be the size he was, and he still has around 200 years to grow. I reckon he'll be bigger than the Dread once he finally dies.
It's said that Drogon is the reincarnation of the Black Dread. His intelligence is unnatural stating that he must have lived a life before and his growth rate and raw power is is identical to Bolarion
Drogon is much smaller in the books.
In the shows, it was just a creative decision to make him big that won't amount to anything imo, he'd still be smaller than Balerion.
@@perce1veALL I could probably get behind this. Drogon is definitely capable of growing, but even at the upper limit i'd say around Vhagar max size. Generally dragons in westeros/targaryen dragon's have been getting smaller and smaller. The Last Dragon in the books is small, mutated, and weak.
Ancalagon is just a whole different beast altogether
@@servantofthe99 True, I think Balerion being huge may actually berelated to the fact that he was the last dragon to be born in Valyria. Only Meraxes and Vhagar, and to an extent Vermithor and Cannibale even came closer to his size after the Targareyens moved from Valyria to Dragonstone. I feel that Balerion was from a different species (Comparing Dragons to dogs, maybe Balerion was like a Great Dane species, naturally bigger). Also, since most of the dragons died during the doom, Balerion literally had no other dragons to fear and there was plenty of food. So, little competiton, with a lot of natural food sources meant that he could not only grow bigger, but also be a lot more larger than any living dragon - possibly explains why the future dragons never reached the size. They either had inferior genetics, spent too much time chained up or simply never lived long enough.
@@aswinastro Sorry, new to lore. I saw somewhere that Cannibal is larger than even Balerion, him being a free dragon entirely having not spent any time enclosed. Is that true? Or is Balerion just the end all-be all of asoiaf dragons.
That skull in got isn't balerion, Balerion skull is the one that appears in HOTD, which is much bigger
No it is .. they confirmed that they made Balerion’s skull bigger for HOTD & it’s different angles . Kyburn told Cersei that the skull belonged to Balerion .
@@tifferzturner I trust in Targaryens to know that is balerion than Qyburn so that skull in got isn't Balerion, it may be meraxes, Vhagar or Vermithor
@@alphagamer9505 It was said multiple times in Got that the head beneath the red keep is indeed Balerion the dread
@@Pimpmobil117 I know it was said, but the head in HOTD is clearly bigger, so one of the skulls isn't balerion, my bet is the one shown in got isn't balerion
@@Pimpmobil117 The head in the Red Keep is not Balerion's is the head of Meraxes.
I think of it as Ancalagon was a house, and the GOT dragons were mice outside that house
Ancalagon the Black was 1000+ meters in length. Bigger than some mountains.
In which movie was he?
@@dahermujtaba328 He was not, he was in The Silmarillion
@@neogenmatrix6162 where is that ever mentioned? Stop lying bro
@@continentalextinction Sorry, it is, In the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath. In his fall after the Eagles of Manwe led by Thorondor killed him, he fell upon Thangorodrim and destroying the volcanic mountains in his fall. It was mentioned that Ancalagon was as big as Thangorodrim which was considered the tallest mountain in Middle Earth.
@@neogenmatrix6162 how is he as big as Thangorodrim if he fits inside Angband?
Ancalagon is much much bigger than all of the other dragons.
all of the other dragons in?
@@continentalextinction prob most fantasies with dragons
@Deliru ko hes strong too but ancalagon is much stronger .
It's true that Morgoth's dragons were of entirely different size range but I don't think Balerion was smaller than Smaug.
well drogon and smaug have something in common in the movie/tv show they are way bigger compared to the books, drogon was barely in the category of rideable dragons and smaug probaly would be in the middle of Vhagar and Balerion, personally I belive that Balerion is a lit bit bigger
He is but the size difference isn’t huge
@@Mauro-mc5bc so in the books smug was said to be 58 ft long it was also said that he was one of the smallest dragons.
@@rayray9865 of the great dragons
once he died
all other dragons were considered lesser dragons not really worth mentioning
they were prob all smaller
@@rayray9865 this is taken from The Atlas of Middle-earth. Not written by Tolkien and is an estimate done by looking at artwork and calculating his size compared to Bilbo. In letter 27 however Tolkien says that Bilbo is 'enormously too large' in that artwork. Its mentioned in the video that it's not canonical. No size is given for smaug other than that he could just fit the tip of his nose in a passage wide enough for 3 people and 5ft tall. People endlessly say the book says smaug is 58 to 59ft. No it dosent the Atlas of middle earth not written by Tolkien does and the artwork used to estimate this is specifically spoken about by Tolkien in his letter as showing bilbo as way too big and therefore the estimate for smaug was far too small.
Dragons in GoT are just strong animals, dragons in Middle Earth were immensely intelligent individuals
All the dragons of Middle-Earth are superior to those of A Song of Ice and Fire for a really simple reason. They were all sentient. No dragon in ASOIAF or its legendarium have demonstrated intelligence greater than that of any other animal.
Ancalagon is on another level he is maybe 15-20 times larger than Smaug. He was the size of a mountain and one crumbled under him when he died. He could have taken on all of game of thrones dragons and won easily.
idk about ten or twenty times,ancagalons death caused a mountain range to collapse so its prolly bigger
He was more 150-200 times bigger than smaug
@@akeelyaqub2538 Only if you take fanart literally. Otherwise, there is no evidence that he was more than a couple times larger than Smaug.
@@frederikl.1642 the evidence that he's quite bigger is in the silmarillion where it says he crushed the peaks of thangorodrim beneath him. Thangorodrirm were massive mountains of slag piled up over the near millenia of morgoths war against the world. These mountains were easily bigger than everest, and ancalagon crushed these mountains, plural, to the grouns
@@calebbrown419 That says literally nothing about his actual size. The peaks of Thangorodrim "were broken in his ruin" can mean anything from "after his death, the Valar were able to destroy Thangorodrim" to "a magic cataclysm/earthquake brought down the peaks".
There's precedent for the latter interpretation as the death of a 12-foot tall first age demigod caused the foot of a mountain to collapse. Did he crush it all under his body weight? No, obviously not.
People can't just talk out their asses about Ancalagon being "15, 20, 150, 200 gazillion times larger than Smaug" based on literally no tangible information at all and then pretend that the Ancalagon fanart they found on Google images is even remotely close to fact.
Morgoth: "I made my dragons using dark magic, where did you made your dragons, on a farm?!"😅😂
Galurung was much bigger than smug and he was 500 meters tall not ft .
And ancalagon was more than 1km because he destroyed three of Thangorodrim towers so he was bigger than a whole mountain and i think he is as big as the mount of doom
Don't forget smaug is a intelligent creature so for sure he can beat other dragons easily
Mate, intelligence only goes so far. No human would ever be able to take on a silverback gorilla despite the fact that humans are more intelligent. Besides, all dragons in LOTR are highly intelligent. Ancalagon is more intelligent than Smaug and more importantly he's 100x the size
Albert Einstein will still lose to the rock in a fist fight
@@benlewis5312 ohh human would take on silverback. We even stole food from pack of lions. Lol
@@benlewis5312 Imagine a Monkey with a machine gun and now imagine a human being with a machine gun
Technically also more powerfull, what pepole seem to forget is that smaug is not an animal like got dragons. He is a magical creature.
Size matters little in that case. Smaug himself being so durable his scales can only really be demaged by the black arrow. Which is not like bolts from got, there is a bit more complexity to it all.
Overall, smaug is about as big as balerion, but smaug outshines balerion in both the aspect of power, Intelligence, and durability.
I love dragon very much, it’s unfortunate that the only living species today that survived the Great War is the Bearded Dragon.
Kamoto dragon
So the Thangorodrim were each 35,000 ft tall. Comparatively larger than Everest. Everest takes up 12 square miles at the base, so the Thangorodrim should be at least that at the base. Add to that they are spaced out, and Ankalagon outclasses anything in Game of Thrones, the Monsterverse, and Cloverfield. Estimate: 20 miles long at minimum, 35-40 miles at Maximum.
The thing is also, Smaug was an *actual* dragon.
4 legs and wings.
A dragon like that could *easily* destroy Balerion even if it was slightly smaller than the black dread, those claws will rip him to shreds.
Even Smug can defeat any dragon/all dragons in Song Of Ice & Fire
GRRM himself said so in Interview
source?
@@continentalextinction so sorry man
I can't Search and give you right now
I'll try later
Meanwhile you can see if there's any Search results coming up
" George R R Martin on Game of Thrones"
@@drw_predator I can't believe you if you're not gonna provide any source, I searched George RR Martin on Smaug and he never said anything about Smaug beating all dragons in asoiaf
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@@continentalextinction I found this one, may
be this interview is what he said
ruclips.net/video/kAR8H7x8wac/видео.html
Dont forget The Cannibal is the same size if not bigger than Balerion
No he not
@@alphagamer9505 yes actually he is
@@alphagamer9505 he is
@@panakinskywalker9075 during the dance Vhagar was the biggest Dragon, not Cannibal he was the second biggest, we don't know if cannibal died or if he alive during the main series time
@@alphagamer9505 in truth no one really knows. According to legend The Cannibal was already on Dragonstone when The Targaryen's arrived in 114 BC with a newly hatched Balerion on the boat. Balerion died in 94 AC and yet The Cannibal is KNOWN to have been alive AFTER all the fighting in Dance of The Dragons was over, this is 40 years after Big B's death remember. That places The Cannibal AT LEAST around 248 years old! Now according to Maester's knowledge, a dragon will never stop growing if given the room and food to grow. If, IF now The Cannibal was indeed born around the same time as Balerion and was allowed to roam and eat as a wild dragon there is every chance he could very well be as big or even bigger than Balerion himself.
Come on man... Ancalagon wingspan would pretty much knock those wyvern out
At least this video mentions that the estimate of 58ft by Karen Wynn Fonstand is not canonical. Every single time there is a discussion of Smaug someone says 'the books say hes 58/59ft.' No they dont. A book not even written by Tolkien, written 8 years after he died, says it. We know its flat out wrong and much too small anyway because she took this size estimate by comparing Bilbo to Smaug in a piece of artwork. In letter 27 Tolkien actually talks about this same piece of artwork and how Bilbo is 'enormously too large' in it which would make her estimate for Smaug enormously too small. It's not canonical and never has been. Not only is it not canonical because Tolkien didnt write it but even when he was alive talks about the artwork saying Bilbo is too big to the point that he says 'Enormously' so. So all we can say for certain is, we dont know exactly how big Smaug is but we do know it's a lot more that 58ft
One would see a mountain when it was Ancalagon sleeping.
Tolkien's dragons are such fundamentally different types of beings compared to Martin's dragons. Martins dragons, while having personalities, are more akin to giant flying, flame-breathing war-horses.. Tolkien's dragons, along with generally being larger, are most importantly, scheming, extremely intelligent war _generals_. They were independent-minded, clever and manipulative and could play the long game strategically. Glaurung, despite not being able to fly, was massive, like a giant, armored fire-breathing worm-shaped tank the size of a FedEx warehouse - and yet was probably most destructive due to his intelligence and the damage he wrought through mind games. And Tolkien's dragons were all essentially invulnerable to anything except the most exceptional of weapons used in very particular ways.
Really no comparison LoTR dragons are mythical creatures with high intelligence, and GoT dragons are pets . Smaug would beat 99% if not 100% of the GoT dragons and hes relatively small compared to most dragons in LoTR.
Let's hear it from the King himself, then:
"Then, seeing that his hosts were overthrown and his power dispersed, Morgoth (a God) quailed, and he dared not come forth himself. But he loosed upon his foes the last desperate assault that he had prepared, and out of the pits beneath Angband (a mountain, and also Morgoth's fortress) there issued forth the winged dragons, that had not before been seen; and so sudden and ruinous was the onset of that dreadful fleet that the hosts of the Valar (Gods) were driven back, for the coming of the dragons was heralded with with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire.
But Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingliot were there gathered all the Great Birds of the heavens and Thorondor was their captain, and there they did battle in the air for all of the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the peaks of Thangorodrim (a mountain about three times the size of Everest), and it was broken in his ruin. Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and well-nigh all the dragons were destroyed; and all of the pits of Morgoth were broken and unroofed, and the might of the Valar descended into the deeps of the earth. There Morgoth stood at last at bay, and yet unvaliant. He fled into the deepest of his mines and sued for peace and pardon; but his feet were hewn from under him, and he was hurled upon his face. Then he was bound with the chain Angainor which he had worn aforetime, and his iron crown they beat into a collar for his neck, and his head was bowed down upon his knees. And the two Silmarils which remained to Morgoth were taken from his crown, and they shone unsullied beneath the sky; and Eönwë (an archangel serving Manwë, one of the Aratar, which are the eight most powerful of the Valar) took them, and guarded them.
Thus an end was made of the power of Angband in the North, and the evil realm was brought to naught; and out of the deep prisons a multitude of slaves came forth beyond all hope into the light of day, and they looked upon a world that was changed. For so great was the fury of those adversaries that the northern regions of the western world were rent asunder, and the sea roared in through many chasms, and there was confusion and great tumult; and the rivers perished or found new paths, and the valleys were upheaved and the hills and mountains trod down; and Sirion was no more.
Edited for spelling.
Smaug was bigger than Balerion i think. We know wins since Smaug was the smallest and Smaug is scale way more harder than any dragon in Game of Thorones/H.O.D
Bro, ANCALAOGN IS A Living Planet
Even Earth Godzilla is small size to him
Balerion:i oviusly i confronted this dragons before
Morgoth(melkor): hahaha
ANCALAGON
Ancalagon: *fly down and step on land* hi
Balerion: *runs to walls of the coliseum*
aegon |:whata you doing?!!
Balerion:GET ME OUT OF HERE!!
Balerin was a medium-small dragon In comparison to other dragons of the freehold of Valeria. Still the dragons from the first age make him look like a hatchling.
Middle earth dragons make Hotd and GoT dragons look like a joke lmao. There really is no comparison, no where near as intelligent as middle earth dragons. As they are birthed from pure evil and can speak LOL.
The part that smaug is bigger than vhagar and smaug is just size of ancalagon teeth
when Ancalagon was shot down he destroyed an entire mountainous range. do we even question who is bigger ? got dragons are beta simps...
Very small. There you go. Question answered
Ancalagon the Black was a different class of dragon. He forced the armies of gods- and the gods themselves- to retreat, then crushed three mountains into dust when they finally managed to kill him. Comparing most, if not all fantasy dragons to Ancalagon was like comparing a hummingbird chick to an eagle.
Ancalagon was 35,000 feet and bigger than the biggest mountains and it’s wing span would probably have crushes countries.
Ancalagon: "Hmmm. You dragons are tiny..."
Ancalagon could almost eat drogon whole!
middle earth;s dragons are way more stronger and smarter. and normal dragons from the first age they are bigger then smaug
The smallest dragon of the west is bigger than the biggest dragon in game of thrones 💀
We need to get gendy tartakovsky to do a dragon show. No dialog, just emotion. He could make a good story out of it.
This would be a lob sided than vhgar vs baby dragon.
Drogon < Vhagar < Balerion < Smaug < Glaurung < Ancalagon < My Ex
smaug is bigger
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Ancalagon drove back then ENTIRE host of Valinor with his attacks. Enough said...
Glauring is atleast 3 smaugs
I wish we could get more of the ice dragons in got lore. Their said to be 3x the size of a fire dragons of old valaria
Are the ice dragons in the books?
@@trequanchi7708 yes and they are very powerful, in the books they breath ice breath and when they die they melt into water
@@Tryingjoinaclan wow that’s dope I need them in the show
LOTR had dragons the size of islands and mountains, not aeroplane sized dragons of Song of InF
Biggest GoT dragon is actually a wild dragon called the Cannibal.
Cannibal is not bigger than Vhagar, let alone Baleryon. We are going to see Cannibal in the upcoming season of HOTD so you can decide for yourself.
you have not heard of the Cannibal Balerion was as big as cannbial's one wing and there were dragons far bigger than Balerion in valyria Teerax a dragon of house baleryes of vlayria Balerion is as big as Teerax one leg so i think if we are going to compare middle earth biggest dragons we should also compare Game of thrones world biggest dragons and balerion isn't the biggest one and smaug is much much smaller than balerion idk where didi you get that estimation
Still not as big as ancalagon, when he fell from the sky he crushed 3 mountain peaks
@@jamessmith-db2is and Smaug destroyed lake town from his fall and Smaug is obviously not as big as lake town, Ancalagon destroyed 3 mountain peaks because of the impact not because of his size
@@continentalextinction smaug didn't destroy lake town with his fall though did he, he probably crush 1/4 of it, his fire destroyed most of it, ancalagon did take out 3 mountain peaks though, while it never states how big the mountains were ancalagon was ridiculously massive, also the cannibal is never stated to be bigger than balerion it also definitely never states balerion was as big as one of the cannibals wings also there's next to know description of old valeriyan dragons especially teerax, fact is middle earth dragons made GoT look tiny
There is no Dragon bigger or as big as Ancalagon in valyria.
Ancalagon the black is not juste a big ass dragon but it is also very intelligent. He leads the other dragons in combat like a general leads his army in combat.
When he fly he bring a dustructive weather with him.
Smaug and Balerion are around the same size.
Smaug can sleep in Ancalagon the blacks mouth so big is Ancalagon
Ancalagon does not need to eat, drink... Thy have a life span so long that no one can say if thy can ever die by age.
Ancalagon was created by devil himself to fight other angels n their army..can’t compare with other dragons..
I think Balerion and Vhagar are closest to Smaug in size, or equal to him.
well nah, if we take movie smaug he is about 130 meters long while LARGEST GOT dragon to ever live is/was Cannibal ~53 meters long so yeaaaaaa Smaug would have a good meal
@@szynszylku1447 Where does it say that Cannibal is the largest dragon and where does it say that he's 53 meters long?
@@MasterOfTheElements well in the books Cannibal is only wild dragon to be never captured so according to that Cannibal should be even bigger than Balarion since Balarion was in chains for 40 years if you ask from the size of his skull balarion is around 126 feet tall so around 35 meters so yeaaaaa
@@szynszylku1447 we're not talking about game of thrones, Balerion's skull in House Of The Dragon is 3 times bigger than Drogon's head, that would make Balerion 3 times larger than S7 Drogon and he was at least 35-40 meters long multiply that by 3 and you've got a 120 meter long dragon.
@@MasterOfTheElements well no, people comapred balerion skull to drogon skull and from the calculations he isin't that big, actually it is siad that he is the size of 747 which would put him at around 76 meters so that is still waaaay to small to give smaug a good challange
LoTR Dragons intelligence is in a whole other level they are not just intelligent they are smart, can think, and can talk. Can't compare a dog to a human, GoT Dragons are intelligent and has their own behavior but a dragon that can speak it just another level of intelligence. Belerion compare to Ancalagon would be a boulder vs a Mountain.
Ummm Smaug is colossal to the GOT dragons..
So ancalagon can swallow any got dragons alive?
GoT dragons and other Dragons in Middle Earth or any other universes (except for Ghidorah) are youngling to Ancalagon's eyes
Lion playing with mice
Someday I want to see a live action or quality animated scene of the war of wrath and marvel and the insanity.
Me too but I am not confident that the rights for stories from the Simarillion will be given up any time soon.
@@absolutezero6423 they will never make a Silmarilion movie because only the writer of the books can sell the rights for stories and the writer for Silmarilion is dead. It's very sad that we will never get a Silmarilion movie which is disappointing. but you know what's even sadder? Even if they had rights to make a Silmarilion, it would cost like 5 billion dollars to make 10 movies which isn't even enough.
It would have been better comparison, if you put a human for scaling and see the real size of the dragons :)
Yea let's not compare a dark fantasy show trying to be super realistic with LOTR 😂😂😂
guys said 1km in size..... which is 1000+ meters. 1000ft.... IS NOT 1000M IT IS NOT EVEN 300M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This chart size is bogus lmao
Not a close comparison.
I'd say Ancalagon's height is 24,000 meters since he's big as a mountain.
actually he is 35,000 ft tall
Terrible measurements at the end and scaling
Balerion is bigger than Smaug
@Reveñant Umm, yes he is. Do your research. Vhagar was confirmed to be 500 feet long by the FX team and Balerion is 20% larger than she was, making him 600 feet. So yeah, he was much, much bigger than Smaug.
Ancalagon is bigger than all dragons combined in Game of Thrones
Easiest way to solve this; Smaug is bigger than Balerion, by a bit, as said by George himself. Smaug, is the smallest Tolkein dragon, by a sizable margin.
We don’t know if Balerion is considerable by Valyrian Freehold standards. He could be the norm. He could be big. He could be small. We just don’t know.
So the answer is probably, ASOIAF dragons are on the smaller scale of dragons, when compared to the LotR and other materials by Tolkein.
That is scary to see ancalagon vs balerion it ain't even close
Middle Earth had far bigger dragons. Ancalagon was so immeasurable that it could dwarf old Valyria, let alone its dragons. Remember, they were created by a god.
IIRC, Ancalagon's size was on the scale of Thangorodrim.
ASoIaF "dragons" can't compare.
Balerion was Biger then Veygar when he Died, but...Veygar lived longer. Up to the Dance of Dragons so she outgown him.
Thus Veygar was Biger. But...ther is also a Canibal Dragon in the Boks and he might by the Bigest of all GoT Dragons.
All of them are about the size of Smaug.
Non can stand a chanse to Ancalagon.
Got dragons are worms compared to the middle Earth dragons
They aren't. The guy who made this video, got the sizes completely wrong. Balerion was nearly 600 feet long. Still small when compared to Ancalagon, but sitll huge.
Dragon is GOT are a sub species of real dragons in most fantasies why, moat dragon in GOT typically lived up to 200 year's before dying, a typical fantasy trope lifespan for Wyvern's.
Real Dragon's like Wyvern's could also breath fire but unlike real dragons which aren't limited to 1 element. Fantasy dragon are heavily associated with magic to there core and there lifespan could typically reach a thousand years or couple of thousands of years. Dragon in most lores have 4 limbs and 1 to multiple pairs of wings, while wyverns have 2 hind limbs and 2 frontal wing/limbs.
Smaug was very intelligent and able to speak. He was almost indestructable. GOT dragons are cool, but they're arent indestruble. Kinda goes with the theme of GOT. Everyone is killable in GOT. Smaug was magical, he's much more than a big animal with wings.
ASOIAF fanboys get so excited over Balerion when he's only a little lizard compared to Ancalagon. 😂
Tolkien's Dragons could speak. They were not just "animals" that followed a master like a dog (like in GOT and HOTD). They had wisdom and cleverness, and the gift of speech. Plus Ancalagon was described to have had colossal wings, and can do devastating aerial attacks, and while the dragons of ASOIAF are dangerous only in their world, they cannot compare to most other fantasy dragons, most especially, Ancalagon, who is arguably bigger and is an actual dragon. Balerion, based on description, is a wyvern. Ancalagon is the size of a mountain! To defeat him, a group of eagles and the intervention of Eärendil and his flying ship, and the Valar were needed.
So, there's no contest. Tolkien's dragons would win, hands down
Smaug was bigger than any dragon in GoT, and he would not even made a snack for Ancalagon. Probably smaller than a single tooth. If Ancalagon existed in GoT, whomever rode it would need no armies, would rule the entire world by the strength of the dragon itself, with no hope of defeating it. Ancalagon would probably be stronger than their gods.
Ancologon is black, it was larger than the mountains, falling on the Peaks of Thangorodrim, it destroyed them, the first Dragons of Middle-earth were from the Maiar, they are literally deities, smart, treacherous, strong and live for millennia
And George Martin's Dragons are just animals with blood magic, they in no way compete with the Dragons of Middle-earth, let alone that Smaug is the weakest and smallest dragon like Balerion, the black horror
The thing is that asoiaf tries to be somewhat realistic (not in terms of existing creatures but in terms of warfare and human behavior) while while Tolkiens world is basicly an absurd fary tale and much higher fantasy. The creatures in it are way more powerfull but they fight way more powefull enemys so that it's kind of balanced. You can't make a mountain sized highly inteligent demon dragon fight normal humans, it would absolutly destroy everything in asoiaf without competition so it wouldn't work in it. But if you have a world filled with gods fighting each other it works so Tolkiens dragons have to be way bigger and more powerfull
Ancalagon is on a different level than most of the dragons from the got universe he would pretty much destroy them in a couple of hours
People, what are you smoking?
None of them exists except in your imagination. So zhey can be whatever you want 😂
Vhagar was nearly the size of balerions size during the conwuest menaing he grew for an extra 100 years(chagar is 400-500ft) balerions estimates are at 1000ft-700ft
you stated that Ancalagon was 3 different lengths, a mile, a kilometer, and then 1000+ft in the graphic…none of these 3 lengths are equal to each other 🤦🏻♂️
You're forgetting Balerion was the biggest in Targaryen history
But they were not even considered in the top 57 families of Valeria those families all had dragons wae bigger compared to Balerion
And the biggest George rr Martin spoke of was when the Valerian Prince decided to go back to Valeria with his army 400,000 long and dragons that could be considered as mountains
He personally mounted the biggest black drake in Valeria's history that Balerion looked like a hatchling compared to the size of that great beast
Plus we don't truly know if he failed in his conquest
I mean come to think of it what if the found a way to rebuild Valeria then in doing so the became hostile to intruders and probably developed weapons capable of fatally wounding fire worms that should explain how that little girl who stole Balerion returned with the Burning curse as her take away gift
But reguarding the dragons Ancalagon is still the biggest
I'm just saying that the dragon ridden by the prince would be definitely bigger than smoug
If Balerion could swallow a Mamoth whole, then Ancalagon could swallow a dragon whole
For some reason i just like How ASOIAF and GOT depicts dragons more than LOTR, dont hate me for that.
I thought the GoT dragons could technically live forever but eventually starve to death because they get so big that they require soo much food.
It is said when Ancalagon the black fly the sky darkens, thunder start to hir every where and wind blows like hell.
Hmm no creo que se puedan comparar, una pregunta más interesante sería, las formas más extrañas en que Ancalagon podría ganarle a Balerion, por ejemplo al no ver por dónde camina y pisarlo, con un escupitajo, si le cayera una de sus heces a Balerion… etc
Balerion is not the biggest dragon in the GOT universe, hes defo one of the smaller dragons compared to the high lord in Valyria
My friend won't shut up about most of the 'dragons' in your video area actually Wyverns
please fix this or he will commit great crime...
I would like to ask a question. Was anacalagon just as intelligent as Smaug or possibly more
I like that r r martins crazy new fangled high octane dragons still pale in comparison to Tolkiens great legendary serpent beasts of old.