Porsche Taycan Facelift Full Tour! Software, Range, Charging, Design, Suspension, & More Detailed
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2024
- Kyle visits the Porsche Development Centre Weissach to check out the new Taycan facelift! In this video he walks you through all of the updates to the 2025 model year including new features and improved performance across a wide range of competencies. Enjoy!
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Amazing what Porsche did with this car. Also I didn't noticed Kyle mentioning this in the video but regen went up form 290 to 400kW. Crazy numbers
Does this equate to a stronger 1PD feel?
@@swimshadey I don't think so. In Taycan regen is implemented when you press the brake pedal. When off throttle car is mostly coasting.
That should mean this can probably out-range a lot of similar-horsepower ICE cars on the Nurburgring now with regen on.
@@swecreations Not at all, will stil consume 40% battery and regen heats the battery.. sadly it's stil one lap wonders at the ring if pushing it..
@@sub7up. Maybe if Misha Charoudin is driving it but don't think you'll be getting 40% out of the battery in one lap. Also from what I saw they've been doing pretty well around the ring.
Nice refresh! Why reinvent the wheel? Update it with more power, endurance, and sportiness. Keeping it real since the Porsche 356.
such a great car. German engineering !!!
E-Porsches starting to grow on me with all these vids Kyle!
If one of you guys could create chapters I’ll add them to the video! I’ll get to them by the end of the day but if you beat me that would be helpful as always. 🎉
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that much more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
They did to focus on charging infrastructure
Cool colab with Porsche. Nice seeing Porsche pushing the envelope on EV just like ICE.
Crazy quality tech and engineering which really pushes the industry forward
I can say you get what you pay for, truly a performance drivers car with top level tech, great Porsche, always improving your design!
Porsches always have been amazing. Its impressive how they nailed it with their first EVs without prior experiences
still far behind tesla, but still not bad. Too bad ferdinand porsche aint no Elon Musk
I would say the first gen Taycan was just okay. Sure it did some things really well, but the range was kind of low, especially at the price point, the supported EV charging infrastructure wasn't and still isn't that great, it looked kind of ugly, it was very expensive, and had terrible depreciation (35% to 40% 5 year residuals, even worse with the 'Turbo' models). For this model, range has been significantly improved, it should support NACS, it looks better, it is still expensive, and depreciation is TBD at this point. It may be good enough overall to be considered a good, but still not great car overall. To contrast, cars like the 992 911 or BMW X5 45e PHEV are truly great cars
@@blob2092how do you define the statement "Far behind Tesla" ? 😊
Teslas claim mileage numbers that they can't deliver. The only advantage I see with Tesla compared to any other EV is, price and self drive features. Both have nothing to do with the car as an EV.
@@user-qp2ex2ip6vmm.. don’t forget actual OTA updates. You can’t understate the benefit of improving the vehicle endlessly and fixing little issues like ‘recalls’, with nothing but an overnight download. Do not kid yourself that Taycans haven’t been under multiple recalls that required service center visits, that Tesla would have fixed with an OTA update. It’s kind of a big deal imo. I’m NEVER going back to a car that can’t OTA update every aspect of the car, besides actual hardware changes. And there’s no reason Porsche can’t do this, except they lack the know how and integration in their systems. Pretty big negative in my book. But yeah, Taycan has quite a few pluses too. Not enough for me. CCS infrastructure.. cost and lack of bleeding edge tech, can’t be overcome by the ride, to me. I don’t need a track car. I want the smartest, bleeding edge tech vehicle I can get my hands on. Yeah, there’s other considerations too.. but for my use and needs, still only 1 option I see to date with the tech, speed and usability I want.
@@airheart1 every EV including Nissan Leaf does OTA updates!!! I hope you realize OTA updates are just software. Anything to do with the car, no OTA is going to fix it. 😀
I clearly said this... every EV has picked up what Tesla has. The only area Tesla has domination is FSD and Price. They can do that price maneuvers because they have their shoddy build quality. No magic happens without compromises boys!!!
I hope you read that statement by Musk that BYD and other Chinese EVs can eat up EV market of many companies like Tesla!!! By the way, tesla is manufactured in China too 😂
By far the best looking electric car on the market.
By far the best car on the market
That's a ~20% power density increase in the battery (going from 83 to 97 kwh while losing a couple percent of the weight too). Amazing progress! 100 kwh should definitely be the new standard with the density increases. I'd say 120 kwh at this weight and efficiency is where you start getting similar range to a gas car on 80 mph highway drives (350+ miles) and get a reliable 12 minute charge (assuming 5-55%) and 2:15-2:30 hr drive cycle which would be ideal. Currently my 2022 model 3 LR gives me a 12-14 minute charge and 1:30-1:45 hour highway drive cycle which is not bad, but can definitely be improved.
Think the fact this doesn't heavily drop off in charge speed past 50% like Teslas (at least the non-standard-range models, the ones with LFP batteries charge fast all the way) do will matter a lot as well. If Teslas could do 18-20 minutes to 80% like a lot of modern electric cars do then that 1:45 would be closer to 2:30-2:45. Instead they charge super rapidly to 50-60% and then 80% takes 25-30 minutes in total.
Of course if you drive below 80 mph then 3-4 hours is easy.
I am good with the charging speed of this vehicle. I honestly wouldn’t ever need faster charging than this. I can’t go to the bathroom and get a soda faster than this will charge. That is good enough for me.
Because you will struggle to find a working charger, Tesla is king!
@@ianpalin8318 Actually, (1) you won't struggle to find a working charger and (2) Porsche and most manufacturers will be using Tesla chargers by the end of this year through next year. Telsa is not king😂
I agree, soo glad that this fantastic car exists!!
@@obieWanmotivation bro for 200k you get less hp than an 80k plaid; if you're rich then yes go ahead and buy this but for 99% it's a terrible value; just buy a gas Porsche instead or Model S Plaid
@@akhilsharma2712 less hp, but a lot more car regardless. The 17 second difference between this one and the Plaid on *illegal* tires speaks a whole bible about how those drive.
Porsche definitely needs to understand the crucial role of great team of software engineers for building great cars in this new era.
They have already. The New Chief of CARIAD, the Software Company within VAG, is now lead by the former Director from Google who developed Android Automotive and was the Software Lead at Rivian, too.
Agreed. Pre-facelift version has so many gremlins and quirks
You should let me put that Land Rover LEGO together and I'll Mail it back lol.
Wow. That was amazing. What an improvement! Well done by Porsche.
382 mi in internal testing...estimating the EPA range?
WLTP 423 mi confirmed, it seems.
porsche really is perfect man.. you can literally pick any model and it will be amazing. loving the new taycan. time to save up!
please buy one kyle
Porsche have made a big jump with this. Will be great in the Race to Vegas & 10% Denver challenges.
The Taycan just obliberates the competition. The CT is just epic and my dream car in this colour green +trim all blacked out. The suspension is the best in the world I can tell you and everything else is just awesome!!!
the competition for 250k is pretty slim though
Almost no one will buy this car. It's $250k and there are better options for about 1/3rd the price.
@@TheMadmax0609 EVERY higher end Porsche costs 100-250k and this just falls right in that price range. The competition is also in this price range. For Porsche customers the price is nothing to frown about.
@@bullshitbingo2259 this car has loses over 50% of its value in just 3 years... The software is buggy and Porsche is not good with updates. Also, Taycan sales have dropped over 40% YOY.
Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's good.. 👈 now you know
@@bullshitbingo2259 want to know something else that's going to open your eyes? In the last decade Porsche has only increased the 911 Turbo S horsepower by 110. Yet the price has increased from $160k to over $230k. 🤣
Porsche owners are the biggest idiots in the world.. they buy a new Porsche, then park it in their garage to keep the miles off of it. They shell out money every month for insurance and then every 6 months they take their Porsches back to the dealership to have the oil changed and serviced for $2000.
People are storing Porsches in their garages to keep the values up.. which enables Porsche to increase the MSRP of the same damn car every year without really upgrading it. 🤣🤣👏👏👏
Imagine buying something, making insurance payments, and not using it.. brilliant idea. 👍
This car finally proves that an EV is just as viable as any ICE vehicle for a road trip especially once it gets access to the NACS Superchargers.
The updates also show how quickly this tech will improve as more manufacturers gain experience, or real world data, on their architectures.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do;this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
@@davidfujkk8018 Volkswagen Audi Group is planning something "big" in battery space, in few years, but until then, i think these speeds are absolutely nonissue. one coffee for 50% of range / 50 kWh .... PLENTY
At the moment NACS would make it worse. At 400V chargers like all Superchargers, Taycan charges dog slow.
@@bellumCretatus dog slow in this case means exactly as tesla does?!
I -love- the light-up badges on the id.4, and on this update !
The best two colors Porsche is doing right now, Ice Grey & Oak Green.
On winding dry roads, the CarManiac team in Germany like the Taycan's active ride, said it was more comfortble than having you head be slung out in corners. Less movement in the seat. Perhaps they dialed it in. The extreme execution may actually be safer/faster?
Love our Taycan, but these upgrades and range are so cool. Bummed we can’t have them.
Big upgrade.
If porsche says 2.3 i likely 2 or 2.1
Good point! And if the dual motor can do 936hp for brief 10s overboost periods , what will the upcoming rumored tri motor that lapped the green hell at 7:07 do? Maybe 1150hp+ for 10s? Bet the tri motor gets labeled taycan turbo gt3rs and costs over 250k. 😀
And Probably no 21 min preparation time for a Rolling start on prepped surface Like Model S plaid 😉
@@4literv6Who rumors tri motors? The Mission R had two for 800 kW of combined power.
@@abraxastulammo9940 every single one of the publications who desperately desire a tesla killer is who!
The version with aero which did the 7:07 nurburgring time was supposedly a tri motor variant.
Which makes sense because the taycan is heavier by 400-600# over a plaid&slower, so it would need more than 2 motors and 938hp briefly to do a lap time that quick. Its likely a tri motor of 1,200+hp, maybe even 1,300-1,500hp as the nevera 2s faster had 1,900+hp at 5,100# 🤔
A lighter battery despite the much greater capacity, that's a relief!
Tesla has been upshowing them with how light the Plaid is. Now 4-5 kWh more in the Taycan, is very welcome.
Suspension and chassis integration seem to help them a good bit.
Personal preferences are just that, styling issues can't be criticized, performance is a whole other topic.
On the styling topic, the green would never be my choice neither would the cybertruck but I did spend $350 on the VW ID4 lit rear badge 😊
dannnnngggg that oak green😍
@KyleConner Do you know if the "old" Taycan will get its software updated to the new UI and functionality?
Extremely unlikely - the new vehicle has a different chipset and OS entirely. The old Taycan may get updates still but it will not be the same system as this new one
@@iMaxPatten You didn't watch the video...
Love it
I visited the Porsche Factory in Leipzig just yesterday, where they build the Panamera, Macan and Macan Electric. There were a few Oak Green Panameras there and they just stood out from allo the other ones. The color is so great for a Porsche.
I would love Kyle to do a teach in series on EVs and technicals on low and high voltage, charging, suspension, chillers, motors and battery packs. I have an entry level understanding and what to learn more but it’s all quite technical
Don't forget about the outrageous base price even before pricey Porsche options are selected. I'll wait a few years when these become available at CarMax.
Ok, seriously want one of these now. Sigh, 2-3 years away - something to look forward to!
Saw this in the Macan configurator. I really like the light up Porsche nameplate in the tail lights, pretty sure it’s new.
Car looks a bit more “taught” kinda like the Highland refresh.
awesomeeeeeeeeee !!!
I want that green taycan so bad! Fire 🔥 so sick
Laying the smack down on the Model S!
I would still go for the Model S. And that’s from a 2x Porsche owner.
@@therealbettyswollocks I can't get over the looks of the Model S though, I think it is ugly. This new Taycan looks pretty good. At least the Model S has decent depreciation though (~55% 5 year residual value), unlike the Taycan which is terrible (~38% 5 year residual vale)
I mean for 2-3x the price sure…also no data on longevity for the Porsches
Wish it was something I could afford, pretty amazing car. I would want to be able to use the SC network though and I don't think most locations will be V4 for a long time. Unless non-telsa charging networks get just as good or better.
excellent
What is the ICE equivalent in KW , Charging Speed vs Pumping Fuel (@35% efficiency ) .
Will this taycan be compatible with Apple CarPlay 2.0?
I agree about the oak green. Epic!
The Neo Oak Green is not nearly as exciting as it would have been if they had offered the genuine OG PTS Oak Green. The Neo Oak Green is a bit brighter and not as rich as the old school PTS Oak Green.
I love how serious Porsche is taking the EV cars,great video
Great car. I know more than 300 kW charging sounds great. But if we look at on C rating basis, it is quite similar to other 800V cars from Hyundai/Kia. Approx 3C. 😊.
Yes, that is true. E-GMP by Hyundai/KIA has 3.0-3.1C (77.5kWh battery and 235-240kW charging power) and the
Porsche Taycan has 3.1-3.2C (105kWh battery and 325-335kW max charging power)
Which is why I would not stress about longevity. It has super fast charging speeds but it is also pretty save at the same time. The Taycan is such an awesome EV.
Many EVs will do 3C charging, but how many of them hold 3C all the way up to 65%? Most only hold 3C for a minute or two.
@@GraysonCarr which are??? To be clear I am talking about good engineered cars. The E-GMP cars will like the new taycan do 10-80% in about 18 minutes. Even the the model y with byd blade batteries are pulling 3C for very long and will do 10-80 in approx 20 min.
If there were ever a planet that your e-golf could charge at this power level, it be fully charged in about 6 minutes! LMAO!
Beautiful car.
Hows the battery guarantee ? :P
Ok
It’s awesome what Porsche is doing, but it sucks that the only “real” Tesla competition is coming from a manufacturer/car that isn’t attainable for the majority of people.
Yeah. This tech will trickle down to audi (etron gt). Then vw and seat/Skoda.
@@jeffsteyn7174not directly...this is J1 used in Etron G, too. Even the electric Macan uses PPE which supports HUD for example...not available in J1.
PPE will be used in Q6 and A6 Etron...in Future there is a common shared 800v Platform called SSP for entire VAG.
@@josefv8708The Taycan with HUD is the one with more hefty dashboard behind the curved screen, it exists for years 😅
You don't think Kia and Hyundai are real tesla competition? Think all these brands that are doing well in EV design are currently focusing on slightly different things, and that is a good thing IMO
@@Cyrribrae I guess I wasn’t really thinking about those. But I’m talking more about the charging curve, battery range, etc of the Porsche, it just feels so far ahead of anything else, even Tesla. Tesla has the network to back it up though.
I have forgotten, but is the battery pack have a higher voltage than the last generation, at 33% 790volts?
I love this car and I had 2 of them, I think I am going to get this version
let me buy it after youre done with it, get the green CT
48:36 is a NACS ad if I've ever seen one lol
That will literally break your back doing that for lifetime of Taycan. lol
Because superchargers cant Charge 800V cars?
I’ll take the Cross Turismo as is! BEAUTIFUL!
Nice job Kyle!
Amazing car, they really stepped it up. Hopefully it trickles down to the Etron GT as well
He definitely showed Kyle the new EV Boxster at the development center lol
I am so curious. It will be a great car.
So Kyle - didn't you have a Taycan on order? What's the latest on that? Transferring to an order of a refreshed version or...?
J1 is the internal name of the Car, the plattform is called MLBevo
So if you are picking the color I have to get my Cross Turismo in, then are you paying for it too? ❤ Thank you Kyle. You are the best!
Can you please add kilometres and kilometres/h as an asterisk when you talk about miles
I actually like the new dashboard/infotainment layout of new Porsche. Like if we haven t enough screens every day.
Best car ❤
For me is Nato Green with bronze wheels on Tycan Crossturismo ❤❤😊😊
This platform would be so lovely for a REAL stationwagon. Like a Jaguar XF, BMW i5 (bummer that one), E-Class (EQE seems decidedly meh, by intention), even Audi A6. The Audi RS6 if made BEV might as well be on the PA platform rather than rumoured PPE shared with Macan?
Well the A6 etron avant will be on the PPE Platform, Same as the Q6 and Macan
Ayoooo great to hear that you’re a fan of Autogefuhl
I wish I could afford one.
Can you link the Panamara video? I can’t find it anywhere
The only thing that’s a big let down is that it won’t have FSD for God knows how long /: FSD is honestly getting to the point I would dare say it’s worth licensing and actually use.
Hopefully they got the electronic gremlins sorted. Amazing car but sometimes I swear it absolutely sucked at the software side of things. Love the new wheels on a side note
I wish you showed the new CarPlay integration
also there is a german car guy used to be on tv does youtube now and has its own tuning shop anyway he used to work for porsche is very higly connected to the top of porsche, drives concept cars that nobody has ever been in, not even people from porsche. im talking about JP performance, in one video of the last year one of the porsche officals said that electric vehicles are no where near to the peak of technology. they are working on a hugh battery with ~200kwh but lighter then current 80kwh which will charge in 10 min from 0 to full and has a range of several 1000 km... thats a statement, and made me think that my model y performance right now is basicaly just a toy. the future of e mobility will be mindblowing.
Wagon looks like an unbelievably good car and the one I’d go for have I had the money. Next life maybe.
Just played a little with Porsche configurator. $247K !!!! For people who didn't get it - two (2) hundred forty seven thousand dollars! I said what I said. Thanks.
hmmm, should I trade in my Panamera ST for the new Taycan?
Any more details on how they got improved efficiency? It’s a big step up
Hey Kyle love the review a friend of mine his daughter just got the Taycan electric loves it..has anyone ever told you your a dopelganger for the actor in the Iron Eagle part one movie. Referring to the actor with the glasses and same hair color and same voice which is weird but funny. Love the review spot on.
Any inkling as to when the electric Cayman will be available?
Its getting tested here in Germany since over a year, maybe 2025/26?
Amazing!!!
I am worried about battery longevity though. This battery went from 20 Celsius to 49 Celsius in four minutes. Are there limitations to how often one can fast charge like this?
Weirdly my id4 is able to stay in sport mode from start to start. Wonder why they can’t do it in the taycan?
the 10% challenge in this is going to be interesting, unless the charger bugs out this is going to kill it
I appreciate Porsche’s doubling down on power transfer efficiencies of 800V architecture. Hopefully the North America charging infrastructure will accommodate more robustly these 800V platforms and what they’ve proven to be a better way not that it had to be proven. We’ve always known reducing charging losses are exponentially improved at these higher voltages. It’s fantastic that Porsche is optimizing chemistry and cooling to maximize this potential. 💯#phenomenalchargingtech 1:00:21
Wowowowow
Is the battery chemistry on this car standard or is it something new ???
Do not know this, but it charges with about 3C, which is same like other 800v Systems, too...100kwh Battery and 300kw means 3C.
Kia charges at 230kw and has a 77kwh Batterie...3C, too.
Means this is nothing especially high, but the charging curve is the most interesting, which is kept very long, very high.
It's a new chemistry. It can charge from 15 °C with full power, where the old needed 35 °C .
It's really quite amazing.
Recent body I saw said it was so nmc, but with a different formula. More nickel, less manganese and cobalt. I think.
@@Cyrribrae it was explained that they moved from NMC 622 to NMC 811. The numbers are ten percent of the makeup, so more nickel and less manganese and cobalt.
Great video. My 2020 4 S is at the dealer awaiting a battery repair. Once scheduled the repair is to take place at a Porsche battery repair facility in Oklahoma. What is your feeling about the future of my original performance plus battery? Am I likely to lose additional battery modules in the future?
Very cool that the suspension runs on 800V. Tesla needed 48V just for the steering motors?
@@mdebart8678 Why is 12V a fail, if Tesla has 12V and 48V next to HV?
Seems like the 400V vs 800V all over again. 400V cars can work fine with fast charging, unless batteries outgrow it.
Great job from Porsche - it's not a facelift it's a jump for a new model. Great
What is the warranty on the battery?
4yr/50K miles
Not the car. The warranty on the battery. Tesla is 120K miles or 7 years. If you are going to charge @ 300kw that will take a toll on the battery.
@@peteravolio2695
8 year / 120k miles in Europe
On a Tesla v3 supercharger, would it only get 160kw (400v * 400 amps)?
Yes, Tesla is outdated
I still prefer British Racing Green, which is a slighter darker shade
What colour is the of the saloon? I’m just ordering a Turbo S and love that colour.
Any way to get OPD on a Taycan?
Looks GREAT. I'd love to see a review of the new Apple CarPlay features/screens. Keep up the great content!
How much can it tow. Wonder if this can tow some loads farther than a cybertruck
I love the styling of my 2023 Taycan but am I the only one who thinks the front nose/lights/vents changes are a retrograde step? The treatment for the Turbo and Turbo S still looks good. A cynic might say they have done this to make you want to upgrade. Think I might wait a couple of years and buy preowned Turbo S at new base Taycan price 🤷♂️
How is the PARS system ??
Can’t believe you believe the front looks are similar.the old one was ugly, finally Porsche has fixed it
That bit at @8.40 is completely wrong, eh? The original Turbo S is 761 in launch control and 570 normally, so the new model's basic isn't more than the old models launch control overboost as stayed is it?