@EngineeringExplained I can't help but notice that this performance level seems to be dependant on cobalt. Do you have any qualms about where it might be sourced? Could the hefty price include a clean documented source?
@@mmmbetter55crap? You haven't been in one then. Also didn't the gen 1 Porsche and the audi gt introduce 800v architecture? Pretty crucial advances for the industry, hard to imagine in 5.yeara time all EVs will be on 800v architecture
@@tonespeaks even funnier thing... they decided make their car look like a clown with this tech. with all the dancing and turning. they even fake one of the promo video. 😂
@@tonyhall06 Even funnier yet. This tech (active air suspensions) has been there for decades. It just hasn't been implemented to a degree of perfection such as this ever.
That car is going to age so poorly. Unless they update it with software heavily, it's going to be a joke compared to an electric supercar from whatever the current year is, but even then software can only get you so far.
Rimac literally cooked its tyres as their attempt took place on a day when it was +30°C. They were able to utilize the extra power only a few % of the time.
They’re finally catching up with Tesla. People are finally starting to see why we’ve all been impressed with Tesla’s engineering over the years. Glad to see that all that money porche spends on buying Teslas trade secrets is paying off
lol I see no marvel engineering here. Relying on a gear to shift (clunk) for a higher speed is not marvelous. Carbon-wrapped electric motor that spins to infinity, now that’s a marvel. After seeing tesla can do with less, Can’t wait for a tesla sports car with the same price as the TyCan’t. 😙😙
That's CRAZY! My mind is completely blown! I don't think I've ever heard of a facelift which had such a huge improvement! This is like 2 generation worth of updates. Well done, Porsche! And EPIC video Jason! Loved it! ❤
That’s what happens when you’re at an immature stage of a technology/product. ICE cars are more incremental because they have been incrementing for over 100 years already. Things like computers, smartphone and TVs also used to get noticeably better with each iteration but they’re so good and the current tech is so mature that now if you wait a few generations the difference is still not that much for real world usage.
The Tesla plaid was a huge breakthrough in performance Evs, and because of it the competition increases and we now get these amasing cars from Porsche.
Given their wealth of experience and manufacturing, I always expect legacy brands to surpass the new companies when they finally decided to really build EVs. It's great that companies like Tesla have pushed them to do so and should be good for us as good EV from all companies become more attainable.
I'm happy to see Porsche improving even their EVs that much and with Great Engineering we know from their non-EV Cars Andreas Preuninger who is a real Car Enthusiast and the Reason Porsche still creates Cars aimed at the Driver has a lot to say at Porsche and not only the Business People. There are some English Interviews with him, including with Chris Harris at the Porsche Factory i recommend watching Also it's great to see Legacy Companies catching up and now beating the strictly EV Companies. It took them some Time but they definitely will get even better Year by Year Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
They already have pretty severe depreciation. This car will be the same when the next gen is released. It will become obsolete fairly quick like the computers of today. Electric vehicles are improving immensely every gen.
That’s the point many like to underplay or straight out ignore. When it costs double or triple the price (and that’s just the price to consumer, who knows about the true manufacturing cost), there’s a lot more the company can deliver
When you've played around with Porsche's configurator you can see that the tech isn't even that expensive. Porsche sells exclusivity and personalisation. To get the manual bound in the same leather as your seats cost something like 200 bucks. Or to get the keyfob cover in your car's color is a hundred bucks or so. Endless customization options. To get the ADAS package doesn't really cost much more than other manufacturers. It's the leather in fancy colors, with accent stitching and hundreds of color options, materials etc that blows up your pricing.
The analysis (with the numbers) makes it really easier to get an idea of the complex yet efficient engineering behind this compared to the Turbo S. Thanks!! 🙌
meh, not "engineering" per se, but applications of control strategies. A well put together control algorithm is (nearly)indistinguishable from "intelligence", within the scope of "tuning" - - ie. chosen level of complexity. Just don't ask it to write you a badly phrased essay on its future plans.
Wow, the clips of the new active suspension are so impressive! I got to briefly drive a Tycan Turbo S last year and was already completely blown away by its suspension - I thought it couldn't be as perfect as I imagined/heard but it really was (it was the first Porsche I drove and I never experienced a suspension in that league in other cars). Looking at those comparison clips, it feels like the new suspension must be truly surreal! IIRC there is also a setting to allow some body roll as the absence of body roll can feel quite weird? I cannot wait to experience it for myself someday (hopefully).
There was never enough released about the Bose one to tell how well it was implemented, but the videos of the Lexus with it from the 1990s looked almost identical to the content here. I suspect the Bose system never caught on because it needed a huge (By the standards of the time) battery. Using the energy taken from the suspension damping to charge the battery would fully close the loop for an electric car.
@@peglor I guess by saying "implemented better", I was just thinking that the suspension on the Porsche will be sold on the car from the factory instead of just being a one-off proof of concept. I agree that the Bose system took a massive amount of energy to work.
Perfect balance of technical details (explained in an easy to understand way), great shots of the car, and humor. Another excellent video, Jason! Keep ‘em comin’!
Wow, this is an insane leap forward. And I thought the cyber truck had some cool Tech. This is another level. And love this video I was able to actually follow most of it without collapsing my brain..
Finally someone's put active suspension into production. Bose prototyped an electric system back in the 1990s that went nowhere (Look for videos of it installed in a Lexus LS400, where they're not only doing all the same things as the Porsche does in this video, but they also use the suspension to make the car jump over things, just for fun 🙂). I suspect the main thing that stopped the Bose system making production was that it required a big battery (Compared to the 12V starter battery in an IC engined car) to run. Electric cars already have batteries massively bigger than needed to run active suspension, but until now nobody has made use of them for suspension, which has always struck me as a massive missed opportunity. It wouldn't be hard to set up a system like this so the energy usually lost to suspension damping charges the battery, making driving rough roads both smoother for the driver and passengers and more efficient. The biggest issue with any system like this is to make sure it fails safely though - imagine the harm this type of suspension could do if it decided to rattle the life out of the passengers or do exactly the wrong thing to maintain grip around a bend due to false readings from the sensors measuring the road surface.
Active suspension has been around in production already, google Toyota Soarer, from 1991. That car used hydraulics controlled by g-sensors and a pump driven off the engine
@@tiranor As far as I know, the Xantia still has the all time fastest Elk Test speed record. Literally better at swerving than supercars. It's a damned shame Citroen haven't made anything interesting since 😞. I drove a C5 with hydropneumatic suspension nearly 20 years ago, near enough the last they made with it, and while the ride on bad roads was uncannily impressive, the engine was so gutless it was borderline dangerous, so I got a 1.9 TDI Octavia instead, which pulled much harder, and the ride was still more than good enough. The auto leveling in the Citroen suspension would come in useful when towing or carrying heavy stuff too - keeps the car level for better handling and stops the lights from dazzling oncoming drivers.
Thank you! This is also one of very few videos I've hired an editor for, so trying out some new stuff to see how it goes. Overall, stoked on it, thanks for watching!
Nice to see this level of improvement. Especially the overall weight reduction, not just putting in more power to compensate and adding an extra 100 kg. For me the original Taycan was a bit underwhelming as a Porsche 8though still an excellent car), this is more in line what I'd expect. Looking forward to the new Macan and 718, how much can they bring there from these improvements. Or something like a fully electric 918 replacement, how would it fair against Rimac.
The new vs old Taycan is a prime example of why you should NEVER buy a new EV. The tech in these cars are advancing at such a monumental rate that the depreciation on any new EV right now will be catastrophic. Lease is the only answer.
Yea, leasing makes a lot more sense. Leaves the carmaker to deal with the value/depreciation of the car AND offers good and cheap used EVs. 1st gen Taycans are still great EVs. Tech wise still better than most mid segment EVs. They're gonna be a steal once the new one rolls out
Really depends on if you buy the expensive luxury cars or the more affordable cars for regular people. For example if you bought a Hyundai Ioniq for 33k€ seven years ago and then drove it 150-200k kilometers it'd still be worth 16.5k€ today. 2018 Leafs hold up pretty well in value too, up to around 55-60% after 6 years.
right. but i have to laugh. it takes a minimum of 3 years to make up for its filthy manufacturing over an ICE car. the exact time 80% of them are traded in for a new one. here in Rhode Island, out electricity comes from natural gas. 97% of it. even barring the EV efficiency argument, this makes little sense!
For most people you are correct, but if you are buying YOUR car and use it for several years (let’s say 6-8 years) you don’t make this comparison. And there is so often a better option as soon as you make your choice. That is life.
Or just buy to own for 15+ years, then you don't care about intermediate valuations. This is the cheapest way to buy new cars over the long term. It is of course cheaper to never buy a new car, but _someone_ has to otherwise there won't be any secondhand ones.
There’s a few electric cars I like more than Teslas, like this or the Hyundai Ioniq 5. I will say though, seeing the Cybertruck in person is rather shocking.
Great vid, thank you. Per usual, solid info, great explanations and just gotta love your humor. The humor alone would keep me coming back. And nice, Porsche. Love to see some good engineering. Pricey, to be sure, but this level of crazy simply means more coin.
As someone who changed from winter to all season tires yesterday, I'm jealous of that suspension control. You could just lift the rear, slide two jack stands under, lower and you're done! I had to align and back up ramps so the jack would fit, lift the car, then place jack stands, reverse to lower and repeat on front.
What a great explanation of all this car brings to the table, what a giant leap forward! The suspension is amazing, rivaling or even surpassing what Citroën did with the Activa suspension, which could do much of what Porsche has done, including leaning into corners (they didn't in the end because testers found it too disconcerting). Too bad I can't afford the new Taycan, but I'm very happy to see this level of progress because it will trickle into all other EVs over time.
@@ethanlinderman8833 I'm sure it has improved from years past even if it only a few percent. Even using lower output chargers it will still be faster than the first gen cause of increased range and efficiency
Wow - that is a massive improvement, in battery, drive train and suspension! I am most impressed by the suspension - tech I assume comes for the Dakar rally type event...
Wait a couple of years. These models depreciate like crazy coz Porsche uses taycan as a step stool for customers to buy their 911 models. Initially they end up in garages that don't really want them😅
Ok, I'm drooling. This new Taycan is sick af. As Jason pointed out, even though that's for the price of a Plaid, Cybertruck, and performance Model Y I'd say the incredible track and real world performance along with the styling, ride comfort, and interior quality absolutely earns it that premium. Very impressive Porche.
6:15 missed the calculation there. Graphic said a change (drop) of 21.5 minutes, but that was the actual previous number, so the change was only minus 3 minutes.
From one nerd to another re the regenerative braking strategies of Tesla vs Porsche: As a former Model 3 and current E-tron GT owner I prefer the one pedal approach taken by Tesla, but there’s one huge exception. An exception so big that I can’t stand Tesla handling at the limit; I suspect it forced Porsche in the direction they took. Braking, regen or otherwise, works to transfer weight forwards. Thus in a Tesla with one pedal driving lifting effectively tightens the car’s line towards an apex. This works great… until you push hard enough that stability control decides to intervene. Then Tesla stops regenerative braking completely, the nose unexpectedly doesn’t tuck, the car doesn’t slow and you’re instantly a car’s width away from where you expected to be. I’ll concede most people’s goal is to never push their cars hard enough to invoke stability control. For those that do, however, feet of uncertainty at an apex depending on the car’s mood is unacceptable. I get why Tesla does it- their #1 job is to insure the car doesn’t spin with TC on. The regen braking causes the rotation so that must be removed. In the Porsche, on the other hand, the driver’s foot is causing the deceleration/ rotation, not the car, and the car doesn’t arbitrarily take the brake pedal away. The result is a more consistent experience that’s both far more enjoyable and safer to push to the limit. If you want to see the effect yourself without it biting you simply go in hot into a spacious cloverleaf/ sweeper, lift abruptly to get the rear moving, gather it up and then try lifting again… Probably the worst thing about Tesla handling IMHO.
Performance and Plaid models have track mode to change these settings for people who do like to drive their cars near/at the limit. Have been plenty happy with the way my Model 3 P functions at autocross and on the big boy track. The place I have noticed this is an issue is in the snow, I need to put my car in track mode to make it more predictable. That being said, I'd trade my M3P immediately for the Taycan GT if I could afford it.
makes sense🤔 Personally I can't stand one pedal driving cause I dislike having to constantly hold the pedal. I'm more of a coaster. So I accelerate to then if I'm gonna stay at that speed for a longer time I'll activate cruise control. If I see a red light in the distance I just lift off and let the car roll and use steering wheel paddles for regen and break pedal at the very end for fine control (cause the automatics can't stop as smoothly as I can).
Easily the suspension, it's not even close. The battery improvements are kind of expected with incremental improvements in NMC and some relatively recent discoveries around things like the ratios between the different metals, whereas this seems to be the first production car with true 4 corner active suspension.
I have an older Bolt for daily running about. Being an enthusiast driver with a manual Porsche and lifted off-road truck, both of which require a lot of input that I enjoy. The one thing on the Bolt that I like to keep me busy and is fun to use, is the shift leaver that allows quick jumping from very little regen to high regen. Also for even more regen is the steering wheel paddle. These variable inputs are fun to use and playing with them gives me a bit more range and entertainment when setting up into corners.
So what you’re saying is, Elon needs to tip that cowboy hat and giddy-up out of Dodge, because there’s a new a sheriff in town, and he eats sauerkraut.
Reminding people that you could buy multiple Teslas for the price of one Taycan is like saying “yeah, you could buy a mansion, but why not buy 10,000 sheds?”
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prhe isn’t wrong though plus for one model s plaid you could buy 4 Priuses which last longer than any Tesla when it comes to reliability
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prthat’s a joke teslas reliability is just as bad as Land Rover, Mercedes, Lincoln, etc teslas are no different to those brands teslas reliability is horrendous look at the consumer reports if you somehow think a Tesla is more durable and reliable than a Toyota who btw are known to make some of the toughest cars for eternity then you know nothing about cars 😂 Toyotas have reached 500,000 miles to millions with ease meanwhile teslas struggle to even hit 100k I’d rather take a Land Cruiser over a model x plaid any day 💯
Thanks Jason! Now I need to sell the Model Y, the Alpine A110 GT, take on a loan and get myself a new Taycan. You realise that this is your fault, right? How am I gonna tell the wife? 🙄 Jokes aside, thanks for the technical insight!
Porsche somehow gets me excited about electric, the others are all just noise. Porsche actually makes it seem viable for me. It's not 100% there but man it's the only one seems to getting closer. It just has to get cheap, maybe in 5-10 years if we are lucky this technology will trickle down.
Honestly I feel like you can do that with tons of car... Generally people don't say the make, model, trim, and body style. Like Ford Mustang Ecoboost Premium Fastback is literally on their website. And Mazda 3 2.5 Turbo Premium Plus Sedan.
Whenever Tesla guys talk about how you could get this car, and this car, etc for the price of this car, it always sounds like Tesla fans are people who didn't realise cars existed before 2012 and are now catching up.
Can you please do a video on the ogle carburetor does the fuel air ratio incease efficency if if we play with the liquid or gas vapour state of fuel vs not going turbo
I personally prefer the Porsche pedal setup. Coasting is often the most efficient choice and i want to be able to easily do that. If i want to slow down, i can hit the brakes, especially if doing so uses Regen as much as possible when i do An acceptable alternative to me is paddle shifters to move between full Regen and 0 regen when letting off the throttle but i definitely don't want regen all the time
The plaid wasn't even better than the old Taycan Turbo S. The plaid was a one trick pony, fast in a straight line but everything else was and is inferior 😂
I love the Taycan but you can’t compare with such a massive price difference. Nice to see Porsche flexing its luxury and performance history. Tesla is way behind in the interior luxury side, but is allowing a great many more to afford performance. It really is Apple to oranges for now.
ICE has reached it's peak in terms of performance and efficiency. There is no more room for relevant gains. Batteries still have a huge margin for improvements. In a few years you will barely even have to charge your EV.
@@sutherlacd27 You mean as a race car? Maybe. For normal use... Well my EV can do 250km/h, thats about 150 miles per hour. I never go that fast. Such speeds are simply irrellevant outside the race track. And if you really want, buy a Rimac to have an EV much faster than that,
the only advantage tesla had , is that it started the ev first and was 1 step ahed , but not that european car brands are throwing billions into electric car development ofc they will cath on and some be even better . China is doing well to .
There are only a few nerds in the world I like to listen to when it's going to be realy nerdy. You are able to pinpoint the essence of any subject in a very entertaining way
I love what Porsche did with the new Taycan. Almost feels Japanese in ethos of incremental improvement in all areas to create an incredible product. The new front end design on the lower trims is absolutely perfect. Now just combine the Taycan and Panamera into one liftback model called 928 and it’s perfect. This is a sports car, deserves a numerical Porsche model name.
@@4literv6 I strongly doubt that you could find a reliable source for that 2% number. Siddharth Kara in his book Cobalt Red visited many of the actual mines in the chaotic DRC and found them very different from official reports. I don't know where Porsche gets its cobalt. Perhaps a clean documented source is included in the hefty price tag, but the current reality is that the EV market in its present form could not exist without the cobalt from DRC. BTW, where did you get that 2% number?
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Cant believe i'm saying this but nice seamless and entertaining plug.
@EngineeringExplained I can't help but notice that this performance level seems to be dependant on cobalt. Do you have any qualms about where it might be sourced? Could the hefty price include a clean documented source?
They don't ship to Europe, only US and Canada.
You couldn't pay me to give money to Musk.
@@brianmurphy9322bro you're a redditor, no one cares.
I don't see anything wrong with flooding the market with used first gen taycans.
Yeah they're kinda crap anyways. I hope no-one buys them 👀
@@mmmbetter55crap? You haven't been in one then. Also didn't the gen 1 Porsche and the audi gt introduce 800v architecture? Pretty crucial advances for the industry, hard to imagine in 5.yeara time all EVs will be on 800v architecture
@@brandonkylemarks I think he's making a joke, hoping to pick one up cheaply!
@@brandonkylemarkspretty sure it was meant to be a sarcastic comment ;)
there's deadass more taycans than id.4s on sale on the most popular german used car website. like 1700 vs 1000
That suspension footage is crazy.
It's nuts!
@IrocZIV Funny thing... a Chinese EV maker has had this tech for a while.
@@tonespeaks even funnier thing... they decided make their car look like a clown with this tech. with all the dancing and turning. they even fake one of the promo video. 😂
Even crazier, Citroën used this type of suspension (granted, non-electronic and not as evolved) in production cars from the mid 50s onward.
@@tonyhall06 Even funnier yet. This tech (active air suspensions) has been there for decades. It just hasn't been implemented to a degree of perfection such as this ever.
2.2 seconds slower on the Nurburgring than a rimac nevera with 900 more hp and keeping up with a non street legal production plaid? 😨 that’s insane
That car is going to age so poorly. Unless they update it with software heavily, it's going to be a joke compared to an electric supercar from whatever the current year is, but even then software can only get you so far.
Rimac literally cooked its tyres as their attempt took place on a day when it was +30°C. They were able to utilize the extra power only a few % of the time.
Bonkers quick!
The improvements in EVs just over the last 10 years are insane. The ICE age is over.
@@therabidsquirrelsage3388ofc because no one's regulating them. ICE development is severely hindered by emission and noise regulations.
This car is a marvel of modern engineering. Incredible.
Hate Porsche. They improve way too quickly. Now I feel bad about my old Porsche. Never gonna buy Porsche again!
*Modern electronics
They’re finally catching up with Tesla. People are finally starting to see why we’ve all been impressed with Tesla’s engineering over the years.
Glad to see that all that money porche spends on buying Teslas trade secrets is paying off
lol I see no marvel engineering here. Relying on a gear to shift (clunk) for a higher speed is not marvelous. Carbon-wrapped electric motor that spins to infinity, now that’s a marvel. After seeing tesla can do with less, Can’t wait for a tesla sports car with the same price as the TyCan’t. 😙😙
@@koshmary112 Tesla motors are insane, thats true. Imagine if they matched that with Porsches insane suspension and battery infrastructure
That's CRAZY! My mind is completely blown! I don't think I've ever heard of a facelift which had such a huge improvement! This is like 2 generation worth of updates. Well done, Porsche! And EPIC video Jason! Loved it! ❤
That’s what happens when you’re at an immature stage of a technology/product.
ICE cars are more incremental because they have been incrementing for over 100 years already.
Things like computers, smartphone and TVs also used to get noticeably better with each iteration but they’re so good and the current tech is so mature that now if you wait a few generations the difference is still not that much for real world usage.
@@pieflies Exactly. Porsche installed a 15% larger battery that weighs the same. I hope that the next generation will see some weight reduction.
This is just a TASTE of how AI will revolutionize so many industries. Decades of innovation within years.
@@romanovmarkelyon1021its nothing to do with AI. Its all clever human stuff.
@@wizzyno1566 not anymore. What do you think all the clever humans are using to make stuff like this happen? Pen and paper?
Dude, 15c is basically "never charges at a decreased rate" for about half the US, that's a powerful difference
Yeah, quite cool!
Porsche saw the Plaid, took out their other hand from behind their back, and made this. God this company is fantastic.
That's what I thought too. The first gen models got absolutely slapped when plaid launched, and then lucid made it even more obsolete.
I agree 👍🏾
As a Tesla fanboy, I really have to tip my hat at Porsche for really pushing the game forward
The Tesla plaid was a huge breakthrough in performance Evs, and because of it the competition increases and we now get these amasing cars from Porsche.
Given their wealth of experience and manufacturing, I always expect legacy brands to surpass the new companies when they finally decided to really build EVs. It's great that companies like Tesla have pushed them to do so and should be good for us as good EV from all companies become more attainable.
Fancy foot work on the pedals my man!
The “footwork” had me😂
I'm happy to see Porsche improving even their EVs that much and with Great Engineering we know from their non-EV Cars
Andreas Preuninger who is a real Car Enthusiast and the Reason Porsche still creates Cars aimed at the Driver has a lot to say at Porsche and not only the Business People. There are some English Interviews with him, including with Chris Harris at the Porsche Factory i recommend watching
Also it's great to see Legacy Companies catching up and now beating the strictly EV Companies. It took them some Time but they definitely will get even better Year by Year
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Taycan depreciation about to reach the stratosphere
Let's hope so! 🤞 Those Turismos tho! 👀
And its already rough! You can buy a clean title, 20k miles turbo S for about $85k. Those started at about 190k msrp with no options!
They already have pretty severe depreciation. This car will be the same when the next gen is released. It will become obsolete fairly quick like the computers of today. Electric vehicles are improving immensely every gen.
Not sure about that. Was definitely true when plaid replaced p100d but since then advancement has been super slow
I mean..... I wouldn't say no to a last gen Taycan for 30k.... 👀
Tesla-Stan here. The new Taycan is mind-blowingly impressive. Porche delivers.
Of course at a price 😁.
That’s the point many like to underplay or straight out ignore. When it costs double or triple the price (and that’s just the price to consumer, who knows about the true manufacturing cost), there’s a lot more the company can deliver
As a current Model 3 owner, I agree. The Porsche is an amazing car for those who can afford it!
When you've played around with Porsche's configurator you can see that the tech isn't even that expensive. Porsche sells exclusivity and personalisation. To get the manual bound in the same leather as your seats cost something like 200 bucks. Or to get the keyfob cover in your car's color is a hundred bucks or so. Endless customization options. To get the ADAS package doesn't really cost much more than other manufacturers. It's the leather in fancy colors, with accent stitching and hundreds of color options, materials etc that blows up your pricing.
The price is the rich history behind the brand along with the quality they provide. That should be understood by now
Except it uses cobalt in the batteries something that all car companies should be phasing out.
Those diving fins made me spit coffee on my whole screen, thx for that
Shoulda covered your screen in a TuxMat!
okay man, i lost it at the swimming flippers hahahaha 5:06
The analysis (with the numbers) makes it really easier to get an idea of the complex yet efficient engineering behind this compared to the Turbo S. Thanks!! 🙌
The engineering on the suspension alone is insane
meh, not "engineering" per se, but applications of control strategies.
A well put together control algorithm is (nearly)indistinguishable from "intelligence", within the scope of "tuning" - - ie. chosen level of complexity. Just don't ask it to write you a badly phrased essay on its future plans.
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@@fredlacroix6865 Audi has had this tech in A8 for some time already if I remember correctly.
Wow, the clips of the new active suspension are so impressive! I got to briefly drive a Tycan Turbo S last year and was already completely blown away by its suspension - I thought it couldn't be as perfect as I imagined/heard but it really was (it was the first Porsche I drove and I never experienced a suspension in that league in other cars). Looking at those comparison clips, it feels like the new suspension must be truly surreal! IIRC there is also a setting to allow some body roll as the absence of body roll can feel quite weird? I cannot wait to experience it for myself someday (hopefully).
The suspension reminds me of that Bose setup on that Lexus years back. This is definitely implemented better. Very cool!
There was never enough released about the Bose one to tell how well it was implemented, but the videos of the Lexus with it from the 1990s looked almost identical to the content here. I suspect the Bose system never caught on because it needed a huge (By the standards of the time) battery. Using the energy taken from the suspension damping to charge the battery would fully close the loop for an electric car.
@@peglor I guess by saying "implemented better", I was just thinking that the suspension on the Porsche will be sold on the car from the factory instead of just being a one-off proof of concept. I agree that the Bose system took a massive amount of energy to work.
Perfect balance of technical details (explained in an easy to understand way), great shots of the car, and humor. Another excellent video, Jason! Keep ‘em comin’!
That segue to the sponser is absolutely brilliant! 😂
My daily dose of Nerd has been totally satisfied. Thanks you. Will you be doing a video driving the GT?
This is all you'll get from me! (Unless I drive it again at a later date).
thts unacceptable my guy @@EngineeringExplained
@@EngineeringExplained Maybe a 2J1C episode in the future :)
The rumble strip test... holy crap that's insane!!
Thank you for including so much Sport Turismo reel.
2:47 🤤
Turismo looks sooo good! Def would be my pick.
Jap. Love the Sport Turismo look. My dream car 😊
Agreed! That mauve colored one with the matching wheels is oddly appealing.
Wow, this is an insane leap forward. And I thought the cyber truck had some cool Tech. This is another level. And love this video I was able to actually follow most of it without collapsing my brain..
"Goes out and buys a powerball ticket"
I want one so bad
Finally someone's put active suspension into production. Bose prototyped an electric system back in the 1990s that went nowhere (Look for videos of it installed in a Lexus LS400, where they're not only doing all the same things as the Porsche does in this video, but they also use the suspension to make the car jump over things, just for fun 🙂). I suspect the main thing that stopped the Bose system making production was that it required a big battery (Compared to the 12V starter battery in an IC engined car) to run.
Electric cars already have batteries massively bigger than needed to run active suspension, but until now nobody has made use of them for suspension, which has always struck me as a massive missed opportunity. It wouldn't be hard to set up a system like this so the energy usually lost to suspension damping charges the battery, making driving rough roads both smoother for the driver and passengers and more efficient.
The biggest issue with any system like this is to make sure it fails safely though - imagine the harm this type of suspension could do if it decided to rattle the life out of the passengers or do exactly the wrong thing to maintain grip around a bend due to false readings from the sensors measuring the road surface.
Active suspension has been around in production already, google Toyota Soarer, from 1991. That car used hydraulics controlled by g-sensors and a pump driven off the engine
look up Citroen Xantia Activa, with the pinnacle of the hydropneumatic suspension back in the day.
@@tiranor As far as I know, the Xantia still has the all time fastest Elk Test speed record. Literally better at swerving than supercars. It's a damned shame Citroen haven't made anything interesting since 😞.
I drove a C5 with hydropneumatic suspension nearly 20 years ago, near enough the last they made with it, and while the ride on bad roads was uncannily impressive, the engine was so gutless it was borderline dangerous, so I got a 1.9 TDI Octavia instead, which pulled much harder, and the ride was still more than good enough.
The auto leveling in the Citroen suspension would come in useful when towing or carrying heavy stuff too - keeps the car level for better handling and stops the lights from dazzling oncoming drivers.
Thanks so much Jason for putting together these videos. Best review of the new Taycan by far. Thanks again🙌
Thank you! This is also one of very few videos I've hired an editor for, so trying out some new stuff to see how it goes. Overall, stoked on it, thanks for watching!
@@EngineeringExplainedLoved this one. The editor is doing wonders with all the information easy to consume visually!
The flip flop vs race shoes analogy really helped for the regen feel, if I had my eyes closed, the concept would have been lost on me. Thank you Jason
4:20 Great observation! I missed that initially
The suspension is wild!! So cool.
Nice to see this level of improvement. Especially the overall weight reduction, not just putting in more power to compensate and adding an extra 100 kg. For me the original Taycan was a bit underwhelming as a Porsche 8though still an excellent car), this is more in line what I'd expect. Looking forward to the new Macan and 718, how much can they bring there from these improvements. Or something like a fully electric 918 replacement, how would it fair against Rimac.
Das auto ist sehr schön, danke Porsche...
Thank you for blessing us with this Jason
The new vs old Taycan is a prime example of why you should NEVER buy a new EV. The tech in these cars are advancing at such a monumental rate that the depreciation on any new EV right now will be catastrophic. Lease is the only answer.
Yea, leasing makes a lot more sense. Leaves the carmaker to deal with the value/depreciation of the car AND offers good and cheap used EVs. 1st gen Taycans are still great EVs. Tech wise still better than most mid segment EVs. They're gonna be a steal once the new one rolls out
Really depends on if you buy the expensive luxury cars or the more affordable cars for regular people. For example if you bought a Hyundai Ioniq for 33k€ seven years ago and then drove it 150-200k kilometers it'd still be worth 16.5k€ today.
2018 Leafs hold up pretty well in value too, up to around 55-60% after 6 years.
right. but i have to laugh. it takes a minimum of 3 years to make up for its filthy manufacturing over an ICE car. the exact time 80% of them are traded in for a new one. here in Rhode Island, out electricity comes from natural gas. 97% of it. even barring the EV efficiency argument, this makes little sense!
For most people you are correct, but if you are buying YOUR car and use it for several years (let’s say 6-8 years) you don’t make this comparison.
And there is so often a better option as soon as you make your choice. That is life.
Or just buy to own for 15+ years, then you don't care about intermediate valuations. This is the cheapest way to buy new cars over the long term. It is of course cheaper to never buy a new car, but _someone_ has to otherwise there won't be any secondhand ones.
i like this better than the tesla... anyone else ?
I like lawn mowers more than teslas.
There’s a few electric cars I like more than Teslas, like this or the Hyundai Ioniq 5. I will say though, seeing the Cybertruck in person is rather shocking.
The Tesla Model Y and model 3 are basically the Toyota Camery and Corolla of the electric cars.
With that said, I really like the Porsche much more.
I’ve liked shits I’ve taken more than Tesla
Tesla looks like crap
This video makes me want one of these even more than I already did! Great video!
The fact that this monster beat both the Model S Plaid and the Giulia Quadrifoglio is nothing short of insane. Well done Porsche
And all this performance BEFORE the "TURBO" kicks in. wow!
Great vid, thank you. Per usual, solid info, great explanations and just gotta love your humor. The humor alone would keep me coming back.
And nice, Porsche. Love to see some good engineering. Pricey, to be sure, but this level of crazy simply means more coin.
This is seriously my favorite car related RUclips channel. You cover details and technology that few would consider. Thank you!
Your channel is the best. Thanks for the detailled analyses.
Wow,wow,wow! They were not sleeping after 2020. Amazing improvements!
Amazing suspension tech. Now wait for the fusion reactor with no recharge needed!
As someone who changed from winter to all season tires yesterday, I'm jealous of that suspension control. You could just lift the rear, slide two jack stands under, lower and you're done! I had to align and back up ramps so the jack would fit, lift the car, then place jack stands, reverse to lower and repeat on front.
Can we all just celebrate the majesty of a Porsche WAGON? 😍
What a great explanation of all this car brings to the table, what a giant leap forward! The suspension is amazing, rivaling or even surpassing what Citroën did with the Activa suspension, which could do much of what Porsche has done, including leaning into corners (they didn't in the end because testers found it too disconcerting). Too bad I can't afford the new Taycan, but I'm very happy to see this level of progress because it will trickle into all other EVs over time.
Can't wait to see Out Of Spec do a cannonball run with this new gen. Curious to see how much faster it can be with that monster charging.
Really
problem is US infrastructure. theoretically itll be faster, but finding working 350kW stations will be hard
@@ethanlinderman8833 Yep. Will be a challenge but they've done it before and know what they're doing.
You can hardly call it a cannonball run, it is more like a charging infrastructure test.
@@ethanlinderman8833 I'm sure it has improved from years past even if it only a few percent. Even using lower output chargers it will still be faster than the first gen cause of increased range and efficiency
Wow - that is a massive improvement, in battery, drive train and suspension! I am most impressed by the suspension - tech I assume comes for the Dakar rally type event...
I'm dead.. i laughed so hard at the ski boot and swim flippers
This thing is sick. If it weren't electric, I'd kill for one. That suspension tech is especially crazy.
One of the best car review video. Great insights very well explained! Thank you
Yeah. If only all EV reviews gave you these details on charging and engineering instead of telling you what it looks like (which we can see already).
Excellent! I learned more about ev power engineering this video than I have over the last 3-4 years reading and watching. Excellent job!
If I had waaaay too much money, I'd have one of these Taycans, and an R1T in the garage.
Wait a couple of years. These models depreciate like crazy coz Porsche uses taycan as a step stool for customers to buy their 911 models. Initially they end up in garages that don't really want them😅
R1s for me and a Gt.
Wagons ❤
@@amaandadan446most of them are fleet purchases in the UK due to tax advantages
The more I learn about the Lucid Sapphire the more I want one over a Plaid or Taycan, if like you said I had god money!
Why in the garage though. Get them on the road ffs....
Ok, I'm drooling. This new Taycan is sick af.
As Jason pointed out, even though that's for the price of a Plaid, Cybertruck, and performance Model Y I'd say the incredible track and real world performance along with the styling, ride comfort, and interior quality absolutely earns it that premium. Very impressive Porche.
A drop of 20 degrees according to my calculator😂😂 7:00
Not to brag but I'm fairly decent with a calculator.
@@EngineeringExplained Absolutely, calculations like those are very complicated
@@EngineeringExplained Here for those instructive advanced calculator moments, keep it up and spread the knowledge 👍
6:15 missed the calculation there. Graphic said a change (drop) of 21.5 minutes, but that was the actual previous number, so the change was only minus 3 minutes.
Great video ! One of your best to date, you’re getting better, just like the Taycan !
From one nerd to another re the regenerative braking strategies of Tesla vs Porsche: As a former Model 3 and current E-tron GT owner I prefer the one pedal approach taken by Tesla, but there’s one huge exception. An exception so big that I can’t stand Tesla handling at the limit; I suspect it forced Porsche in the direction they took.
Braking, regen or otherwise, works to transfer weight forwards. Thus in a Tesla with one pedal driving lifting effectively tightens the car’s line towards an apex. This works great… until you push hard enough that stability control decides to intervene. Then Tesla stops regenerative braking completely, the nose unexpectedly doesn’t tuck, the car doesn’t slow and you’re instantly a car’s width away from where you expected to be.
I’ll concede most people’s goal is to never push their cars hard enough to invoke stability control. For those that do, however, feet of uncertainty at an apex depending on the car’s mood is unacceptable. I get why Tesla does it- their #1 job is to insure the car doesn’t spin with TC on. The regen braking causes the rotation so that must be removed. In the Porsche, on the other hand, the driver’s foot is causing the deceleration/ rotation, not the car, and the car doesn’t arbitrarily take the brake pedal away. The result is a more consistent experience that’s both far more enjoyable and safer to push to the limit.
If you want to see the effect yourself without it biting you simply go in hot into a spacious cloverleaf/ sweeper, lift abruptly to get the rear moving, gather it up and then try lifting again… Probably the worst thing about Tesla handling IMHO.
Performance and Plaid models have track mode to change these settings for people who do like to drive their cars near/at the limit. Have been plenty happy with the way my Model 3 P functions at autocross and on the big boy track. The place I have noticed this is an issue is in the snow, I need to put my car in track mode to make it more predictable.
That being said, I'd trade my M3P immediately for the Taycan GT if I could afford it.
makes sense🤔 Personally I can't stand one pedal driving cause I dislike having to constantly hold the pedal. I'm more of a coaster. So I accelerate to then if I'm gonna stay at that speed for a longer time I'll activate cruise control. If I see a red light in the distance I just lift off and let the car roll and use steering wheel paddles for regen and break pedal at the very end for fine control (cause the automatics can't stop as smoothly as I can).
I love my old Taycan, I had two, 2020 and 2022, and I knew this improvement was coming....so I sold them - now these cars are totally impressive
for everyone waiting for it... "hello everyone and welcome"
These kinds of videos are exactly why I love your channel
🙏🏻
Appreciate it, thanks for watching!
1:55 these say +x but it show the old numbers not the difference. 3:49 now it shows +x and it is the difference.
Thanks - trying to fix with YT's blur feature!
@15:25 - That is insanely awesome. Crappy roads would feel nearly as smooth as new pavement.
Porsche is considered one of the best employers in Germany. Best employer = best employees = best products ...
The main reason I love this channel is for the nerdy detailed videos! 🔥
Ok, if i win the lottery, I'll buy one for both of us.
I don't know what is more impressive, the battery or the suspension. This is truly a wild accomplishment by Porsche.
Easily the suspension, it's not even close. The battery improvements are kind of expected with incremental improvements in NMC and some relatively recent discoveries around things like the ratios between the different metals, whereas this seems to be the first production car with true 4 corner active suspension.
16:00 we made it! Curiosity didn't kill the cat😂
Zero bs 100% pure knowledge. Thank you.
Well color me impressed
I have an older Bolt for daily running about. Being an enthusiast driver with a manual Porsche and lifted off-road truck, both of which require a lot of input that I enjoy. The one thing on the Bolt that I like to keep me busy and is fun to use, is the shift leaver that allows quick jumping from very little regen to high regen. Also for even more regen is the steering wheel paddle. These variable inputs are fun to use and playing with them gives me a bit more range and entertainment when setting up into corners.
Finally us germans get serious with EVs.
Great job Jason highlighting all the awesome updates
So what you’re saying is, Elon needs to tip that cowboy hat and giddy-up out of Dodge, because there’s a new a sheriff in town, and he eats sauerkraut.
Porsche is Porsche. Excellent presentation as always. Cheers!
Reminding people that you could buy multiple Teslas for the price of one Taycan is like saying “yeah, you could buy a mansion, but why not buy 10,000 sheds?”
😂 👍
Crazy exaggeration
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prhe isn’t wrong though plus for one model s plaid you could buy 4 Priuses which last longer than any Tesla when it comes to reliability
@@ericship8383 Did you forget the part that the new Taycan Starts at $230k? It'll depreciate more in 5 years than how much a new Cybertruck cost
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6prthat’s a joke teslas reliability is just as bad as Land Rover, Mercedes, Lincoln, etc teslas are no different to those brands teslas reliability is horrendous look at the consumer reports if you somehow think a Tesla is more durable and reliable than a Toyota who btw are known to make some of the toughest cars for eternity then you know nothing about cars 😂 Toyotas have reached 500,000 miles to millions with ease meanwhile teslas struggle to even hit 100k I’d rather take a Land Cruiser over a model x plaid any day 💯
That’s massively impressive suspension.
Thanks Jason! Now I need to sell the Model Y, the Alpine A110 GT, take on a loan and get myself a new Taycan.
You realise that this is your fault, right? How am I gonna tell the wife? 🙄
Jokes aside, thanks for the technical insight!
You've got some great cars, I think you're all set!
Damn, really makes me want one after watching the video, the ultimate daily driver I think
Porsche somehow gets me excited about electric, the others are all just noise. Porsche actually makes it seem viable for me. It's not 100% there but man it's the only one seems to getting closer. It just has to get cheap, maybe in 5-10 years if we are lucky this technology will trickle down.
Love Taycan❤
What a mouthful of a name! Haha
Yeah, they could certainly drop the turbo part for a start.
Don't forget the panamera turbo s e-hybrid. Porsche loves these long names
Honestly I feel like you can do that with tons of car... Generally people don't say the make, model, trim, and body style. Like Ford Mustang Ecoboost Premium Fastback is literally on their website. And Mazda 3 2.5 Turbo Premium Plus Sedan.
The energy tech improvements are significant and fascinating to listen to as you break them down, thanks!
Whenever Tesla guys talk about how you could get this car, and this car, etc for the price of this car, it always sounds like Tesla fans are people who didn't realise cars existed before 2012 and are now catching up.
Can you please do a video on the ogle carburetor does the fuel air ratio incease efficency if if we play with the liquid or gas vapour state of fuel vs not going turbo
WOW! That is amazing. I need to set up a go fund me page to get this car :)
I personally prefer the Porsche pedal setup. Coasting is often the most efficient choice and i want to be able to easily do that. If i want to slow down, i can hit the brakes, especially if doing so uses Regen as much as possible when i do
An acceptable alternative to me is paddle shifters to move between full Regen and 0 regen when letting off the throttle but i definitely don't want regen all the time
Yeah I'm all for choice! I prefer one-pedal, but think cars coming with options is a good thing.
Leave it to Porshe to do an amazing good refining their work 😂
This suspension strategy changes good drivers to great drivers and bad drivers to worst drivers...! that is insane...
The taycan turbo gt is impressive same hp as the plaid both have 1100 hp yet the taycan turbo gt is 300 pounds heavier and still whooped the plaid
The plaid wasn't even better than the old Taycan Turbo S. The plaid was a one trick pony, fast in a straight line but everything else was and is inferior 😂
That low range gear for launches makes a big difference. Being able to apply more horsepower with all that torque at launches really helps.
@@Saif0412 plaid track pack is less than half price&runs the nurburgring faster than a 2008 enzo can or a 2023 maserati mc20 can. 😀
I love the Taycan but you can’t compare with such a massive price difference. Nice to see Porsche flexing its luxury and performance history. Tesla is way behind in the interior luxury side, but is allowing a great many more to afford performance. It really is Apple to oranges for now.
@@4literv6lol did you really compare lap times to a car that is 16 years old?
My neighbor had one of these, older one obviously but Jesus it was one of the most insane vehicles I have ever experienced
Imagine in 2020 buying a new one for 110k, which is now worth 45k. And then this is released just a few years after 😮
They are not 45k. 60k maybe
@@BBingo-v5i American dollars, yes. I was thinking British Pounds
Imagine buying tesla, and then self explode mode activated itself.
Love your explaination😊 , miss the board though
ICE has reached it's peak in terms of performance and efficiency. There is no more room for relevant gains. Batteries still have a huge margin for improvements. In a few years you will barely even have to charge your EV.
Lol peak in performance for ICE cars embarrasses EVs though
@@sutherlacd27 Only in range, that's all that is left. Ah no, noise is another thing if you really like that.
@@Pyriold umm ICE cars are drastically faster than EVs
@@sutherlacd27 You mean as a race car? Maybe. For normal use... Well my EV can do 250km/h, thats about 150 miles per hour. I never go that fast. Such speeds are simply irrellevant outside the race track. And if you really want, buy a Rimac to have an EV much faster than that,
@@sutherlacd27 not true today unless you are talking about high performance hybrid ice like the v16 Bugatti
Fantastic new tech from Porsche! 👌
the only advantage tesla had , is that it started the ev first and was 1 step ahed , but not that european car brands are throwing billions into electric car development ofc they will cath on and some be even better . China is doing well to .
There are only a few nerds in the world I like to listen to when it's going to be realy nerdy. You are able to pinpoint the essence of any subject in a very entertaining way
Appreciate the kind words!
666KW nice 👍
I love what Porsche did with the new Taycan. Almost feels Japanese in ethos of incremental improvement in all areas to create an incredible product. The new front end design on the lower trims is absolutely perfect. Now just combine the Taycan and Panamera into one liftback model called 928 and it’s perfect. This is a sports car, deserves a numerical Porsche model name.
I'm sure the kids mining that cobalt will be thrilled.
The same ones working since the 1730s to mine for cobalt? Artisan mines contributed less than 2% to the global cobalt supply genius. 👍🏻😁
People who drive Porches don't care.
@@4literv6 I strongly doubt that you could find a reliable source for that 2% number. Siddharth Kara in his book Cobalt Red visited many of the actual mines in the chaotic DRC and found them very different from official reports. I don't know where Porsche gets its cobalt. Perhaps a clean documented source is included in the hefty price tag, but the current reality is that the EV market in its present form could not exist without the cobalt from DRC. BTW, where did you get that 2% number?
The kids would still be there if EVs did not exist. Same basic battery formula is used in phones, tablets, etc. And cobalt is needed to make gasoline.
Tell that to the oil industry. They're not gonna stop using cobalt.
Oh man. That is awesome.