The Fastest Road Tripping EV I've Ever Tested! Updated Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo 10% Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Kyle is in Germany with the newly refreshed Porsche Taycan! He is driving a 4S Sport Turismo this week and this is our 10% road tripping EV simulation challenge. As of now, this is the fastest road tripping EV that Out of Spec has ever tested, and it's not even the most efficient version!
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Think charging 15 minutes with my Bolt I could go from 10% to 12%. 😀
4680 10%-35%
@@Yachtzeee cyber truck uses 4680 and it gets more than that.
LOL😂
Try using the 350 next time 😜
😅
That’s basically a full model Y battery pack in 15 minutes.
Great job Porsche
One of the cons of the Porsche Taycan from Edmunds. "EV greatness comes at a commensurately great price"
Model Y has a roughly 81kWh battery (Around 75kWh usable), so not quite. It's closer to something like the Bolt EV which has a 66kWh battery.
Maybe a Model Y with the small battery. Definitely not the large though
Porsche engineering has always been the standard and in just 4 years they are already ahead of tesla whose been in business since 2007 trying to make a good ev ❤
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Not at all. Charging is the only thing they appear to really excel at The Model S Plaid (top trim Model S) costs 90K which less than a base rwd Taycan with the small battery (~100k). Comparable Taycan is 2x the price. Until Porsche is able to provide such technology for 75K it doesn't count because very few people are able to obtain such cars. IMO Hyundai/KIA/Genesis are doing the best because they offer a lot of the Porsche tech and engineering for a fraction of the Porsche cost.
We are finally at a 2 hour drive (158 miles/ 80mph), 15 minute charge ratio for highway driving! Huge milestones for EVs. Tesla needs to take some notes.
Without radars, cameras only and without automatic cleaning of cameras, tesla should be sued for endangerment of public.
@@IvanNedostal Dude, leave your rant somewhere else. What you said doesn't even pertain to Farhood's comment.
Elon doesn't really care any more. Tesla needs a less distracted CEO to get itself back on track.
@@MountainManGuy Leave your fanboyism at the door, dude. What he said is true.
I really do think now that anyone that mentions "range anxiety" are just anxious people; it says everything about the person saying to and nothing about the infrastructure, even though the infrastructure could be better still. Even with what we have, charging stations ensure you get good ergonomic and personal-need breaks on a long road trip.
As an example: it's been possible for years to do a Cannonball Run (NYC to LA) using different routes (one way mainly on I-80 via Iowa and Colorado, the other on Interstates that follow the old Route 66 via New Mexico and Missouri) AND limit yourself to one charging network with no worries. If an EV driver only used Electrify America, the furthest hop on the northern route between two charging locations is 139 miles (Bloomsburg, PA to DuBois, PA) and 128 miles on the southern route (Winslow, AZ to Gallup, NM). Even if they wanted to do the 160+ mile loop to see the Grand Canyon between Williams and Flagstaff, AZ, there are four 350kW chargers at the Visitor Center on the way. The only way for anyone to run out of power on the longest of journeys for most places now is to not pay attention or not do the minimum of planning!
Time for a cannonball
EU version
@@brendykes1202 bad idea. Fines and other penalties are huge in Europe. Some countries have fines based on your income and can be months of income. Some countries will confiscate your car and you don’t get a dime back.
@@tomm5936 ok. German autobahn version. Cross the country back & forth until the Cannonball distance is reached
@@brendykes1202 Many parts have speedlimits, with that said they probably would ban him from returning if he released a German Cannonball run.
Just wait till a version comes state side
We just did a non-stop two driver round trip from Los Angeles to Denver and back in a Model Y. With a dog, stops are roughly the same time as when we did the trip in a gas car, basically after taking turns using the restroom and walking the dog, the car was ready before us. Taycan 4S is on the list, hopefully it'll depreciate enough by the time my Model Y warranty is up.
That charging curve is insane,I hope Elon is watching,800v for the win,cheers Kyle 👍💪😉
The rumor is that musk is no longer interested in electric cars … he’s moving into other fields of interest
@@panameradan6860 the fact that you even wrote this tells me you have no clue of what Tesla stands for or its values.
Welcome to my place Kyle! Safe travels and enjoy the good German charging network. Next gen Taycan you need to use a slow-motion camera to get usable material out of it. Awesome.
One thing Kyle: you can't hold a camera or phone in your hand whilst driving in Europe. Illegal. Just sayin', in case you did not know.
Kyle should do the GoPro on the head like Tedward or MilesPerHr.
lol pretty sure it’s like that anywhere he drives. He just doesn’t care because nobody is gonna report him lol
@@ryanfraley7113Out of Spec does have a POV channel. He did that for the Rolls-Royce Spectre (excellenty done!).
It is the goal of every German to be behind the desk. But it is the fate of every German to be in front of the desk.
@@gavcom4060It doesn't matter if he gets caught. Demonstrating that he methodicallyc disrespects the law and the safety of other road users is pretty unprofessional for a motor jurnalist.
No one:
How often do you want to repeat yourself in one video?
Author: yes
Jeesh. At 70% and it's still pulling as much power as my Rivian will do maximum. More than my Mach-E will do.
OK, Porsche probably makes the best EV's, tbh, when it comes to charging speed and range. But at this price, doesn't really matter for the normal human :))
But to be fair, Porsche was never a car for the average worker. So nothing changed.
2nd hand models are dropping in value like crazy. Someday, one of these Taycans will be mine.
Well duh it's a premium luxury brand. Not a tesla.
This charging curve is insane, I can't wait to see this curve trickle down more entry level EVs
I definitely would consider this as my next EV. After 10 years of Teslas, I’m fed up with Teslas lack of interior and exterior quality, Elon’s nonsense, forever beta FSD, and lack of choices for interior and exterior colors. I’m being kind not to mention a few other issues with Teslas.
This charging performance is just incredible! It delivered more than the usable capacity of my Kona in 15 minutes. That’s just crazy to think about. I think by 2030 we will have an EV that is just as fast to road trip as an ICE. For now I would still prefer road tripping in an EV because charge times don’t bother me at all and the ride more than makes up for it.
I have no need to charge faster than this. I wouldn’t even care about charging if my car charged like this. This is a phenomenal result.
Great to see a legacy automaker really stepping up and competing in EVs! Now if they can bring the prices down they will have a winner.
Agree, except for “bring prices down” and “Porsche” just don’t seem to mix well. 😀
@@georgepelton5645 yeah, premium Germans won't be bringing price down, they add 15 - 20k for EVs
What's with u people and expecting a premium luxury brand like porsche to be affordable to average Joe's. Sorry they aren't tesla with their cost cutting 0 luxury interior and bland exterior. Premium quality and ride quality comes at a price
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Average Joe’s cannot afford a Model S Plaid either, and yes it is relative. The Taycan is a screaming deal compared to all the ICE supercars with their million plus dollar prices, and I assume the new top model Taycan does well against them on the track too. But the more affordable Porsche makes it, the more people can buy one, even if that is just dropping the prices by ten thousand here and there. That is all, simple math.
I have the '22 RWD Taycan, hoping to get the new dash software. Love that charging display.
I was told that new software is not coming to older models. It's a new operating system. However, I hope some of the features will land, CarPlay+ is the one I'd like to see...
Sadly most of the legacy manufacturers are not delivering newer updates to older cars, even though they have the hardware to support it. I love my EQS but Mercedes is not delivering any updates that even cheaper and less equipped newer (EQ) cars are getting, I'm very disappointed. Even though I'm not a Tesla fan, props to them on diligently updating cars.
@@ani_b there are few reasons why these major updates are not happening. Most important one is the directive about cyber security in EU, which was implemented in July 2022, becoming mandatory in July 2024. That directive basically rendered, at the time, current hardware platforms as outdated. These facelifts come with new hardware that will allow them to implement new directive. Otherwise they would not be allowed to sell these cars in EU.
well done Porsche 👏
I’d like to see Lotus Emeya included the Race to Vegas rematch. Should be able to keep up with the other 3.
I’ve been fan of Porsche since I live next to the factory when I was a kid, but the engineering in this car is absolutely next level. How can they get charging to work at that level compared to everybody else it puts 63 KWH in battery in 15 mins. Because it’s an 800volt battery it’s going to be able to have a higher charge rate but that’s next level.
WHOA!!! the charging performance has me ECSTATIC for how the comings year(s) will outperform our expectations! That being said YES!!! Macan EV tests!
(Also: Whoa whoa whoa! What about that Macan!? Lest the whole conversation is redacted.)
Deeply appreciate your commitment, enthusiasm and integrity each and every episode Kyle a d O.o.S Family!
Awesome video as usual. Porsche is going to sell a bunch of these. I saw the city of Darmstadt on the dash. Mannheim is near Darmstadt and I lived there as a kid for 6 years in the late 70's and mid '80s. It was a magical place. Again, gr8 vid as usual. 🚗🇺🇸🔌⚡
Great Video! Always love the EU content!
Only thing that will suck road tripping Taycan in USA is the infrastructure also
Kyle is correct the old car is still an amazing vehicle. Dealers are offering good discounts on in stock models as well.
Loved to see the Macan EV blow past. Ordered one and can’t wait. Will need to connect with you about using it for testing
Nice.
When will you do the same with Macan EV?
Great video and what a result!. I would love if it is possible to test the new Taycan together with the old taycan with same wheeels to get the real efficiency improvement of the drivetrain
Still loving my pre-facelift 4S. Now there's a reason to upgrade when I'm done ...
regarding handshake speeds that seemed ungodly slow, even on those janky tritium units. i just did a little road trip from the southeast of the UK to Birmingham, used fastned (with autocharge) and handshake was about 5 seconds
Kyle, you should ask your dad to show you the one-handed maneuver he developed for charging at CCS dispensers. He has perfected it.
I just pick up the CCS handle with one hand and plug it in my car with one hand because I'm not paid by Tesla to push NACS.
@@nssomething8370I doubt Kyle is either. Nacs is a better design just admit it.
@@daviidfm923 wow, such compelling arguments.
@@nssomething8370 if you have used both nacs connector and ccs it’s like not even up for discussion. Ccs is heavy bulky hard to move. When it’s cold the cables become rocks etc. nacs is light, allows for very high current, same connections for ac and dc, easier to hold, plug in and move about in warm and cold….
@@nssomething8370 why are you so mad about it. It’s not a big deal that ccs handles suck.
This car approaches charge-up times similar to gas-fill-ups.
45 seconds of charge gets me 8 hours of highway driving-time in my 2016 Prius c Two.
is diesel also "gas! because a fill up of a similar vehicle in diesel version will get you up to 900 miles of range literaly double of any EV.
@@aliendroneservices6621 For those of us who don't use catheters when we drive this car approaches time taken on fuel stops.
@@carholic-sz3qv And you're paying double or likely triple what you'd pay for an EV to go the same distance. Even more if you consider cheap charging at home.
@@fiehlsport most charging is done at home so overall savings over a gas vehicle. Unless you are a traveling salesman or something and EV will be cheaper for 95% of people.
For EV’s I wouldn’t call this the best EV for road trips. I would just call it the best EV. It’s an estate, so it’s practical, good looking and drives well. It is built really well. Only big downside: price and costs. The 4S sport tourismo starts at 150k Euros with decent equipment and uses more electricity than others, but makes up for it in charging. Curious about Bjorn’s 1000km test on this.
When are we going to stop the rouse that Tesla is the world leader in charging? They’re barely the US leader in charging and the moment the public charging networks get their act together Tesla’s large number of 150 kW chargers and their not great cooling and charge curves on said chargers will get exposed.
Amazing performance. Porsche is just so far ahead. It’s funny the old model is way better than new models coming out this year from other manufacturers.
So there is actually a sport turismo version of the new one then? Fantastic. I can go back to dreaming of a mahogany metallic wagon with tan interior.
Other than the Loop-5 parking north of Darmstadt wasn’t „airport parking“, this was an interesting video.
So EV's work if you spend crazy Porsche money and move to Germany for the infrastructure. Great! Actually, thoroughly impressed with the performance, and it does show a path forward. How many more days/months/years until this performance trickles down to a standard affordable EV is the question that I have.
EVs work If you spend 40K new. You can look up all of his charging tests and all of the data. A base Model Y isn't that far behind this.
Used you can find them for 25k all day long.
Not only in Germany is the loading infrastructure good nowadays. No issues nowadays to do longer trips. Just avoid the busy days.
That Sport Turismo looks SO DAMN SEXY. Wow the proportions and stance on the stock suspension is chefs kiss 😘
Kyle, I really think OOS needs to do more with a RWD Ioniq 6 on 18s. That car can take in about 47kwh in 15 mins from 10% SOC and is much more efficient than any Taycan.
You can buy one for $32k new, and it could potentially beat Air, Model S and Taycan in a race to Vegas.
Full send, he’ll yeah brother…as a proud EV nerd, OOS is the only place on YT that knows more than me and the big races are hours of fun. Thanks!
How about the Lucid, Tesla and Taycan race in Europe to allow for the 300kw chargers? Lucid available now in Europe as is Tesla.
What do you guys think is the current theoretical limit charging 15 mins at a 350kW charger? Maybe 400 km/250 miles at 2.86mi/kWh (0.22kWh/km or 0.35kWh/mi)?
Ok what is Porsche’s warranty on that batterie and are you allowed on a highway trip repeatedly charge at that speed ? Do you have to interrupt DC charging from time to time with AC charging to avoid dentrit building?
The "how far" question seems to dominate the discussion of EVs, but assuming availability of fast charging, the real question is charge curve.
I wish all the manufacturers would pay more attention to this.
No, focusing on initial range is the most important. Most people are going to be charging at home, very rarely are you driving more than 250-300 miles in a day. This type of testing is the back to back cross continent 500-1000 mile days someone might do once or twice a year.
It also comes down to age. Talk to your parents, or anyone over 45 and you'll see they almost never do any of this type of driving anymore.
@@otm646 Of course, you buy the car that has the range appropriate for your day-to-day use. But for most people, that would be our used Nissan Leaf with 80 miles of range, which we charge once a week to keep the 12V battery healthy, but don't really need to, for the traction battery.
But the clamoring for greater range beyond the 250-300 currently available, that's not about day-to-day driving, but about travelling, and for that, a fat charge curve and high power DC fast chargers make all the difference, not battery range.
If you have a big assed battery that will go 400 miles between charges, but takes an hour to fast charge, that's more negatively impactful to a trip than a 250 mile car that goes 20% -70% in ten minutes.
Cheers Kyle
Absolutely crazy to see kWh get added to the Porsche at about the same rate as gallons in a gas station.
How much money is the charge cents/ kwh in this ionity. There should be a month card or something. Charge as much as you want for certain price
Kind of afraid that the Tesla SC layoffs mean whatever 800v cabinet plans they had got delayed. If so, it’d be a huge setback for something like this to really take advantage of NACS infrastructure.
Yeah the NACS story got cancelled - looks like, very sad. I hope that real companies with sane CEO´s will pick up the opportunity and build out reliable charger networks in the US.
#Tesla spending 500 million on charger 2024 build out
Don’t worry he is already rehiring the super charger team. If they still want to work for him
@@davidbaker9943 Really? I did not read that. Not good. Why firing everybody in the first place and think after.
Why should Tesla build expensive 800 volt infrastructure that their cars can't handle?
Did you forget to close the charging cover? Does it auto close?
That thing can charge more range in 15 minutes than what my car can go on 100% charge total :-D
The cars you test in Germany will have an unfair advantage since the roads are so nice over there! ;) you must be living the dream being able to test EVs all over the world
Less aerodynamic EV’s with great charging as well as more aerodynamic EV’s with less charging capability are judged best if you drive 80MPH. At lower highway speeds when aerodynamics play less of a role some EV’s raise in the rankings because they have better charging than aero. I have immense respect for Porsche’s improvements in this regard. A great road trip EV keeps me at a charger the least amount of time we both agree. Form (aero) at the sacrifice of function is something no one wants. Porsche’s latest design is a splendid balance for many improving an already proven EV! #bravo
How does the New Taycan compare to the Lucid Air Grand Touring?
Kyle, wouldn’t we expect more efficiency? MY25 should be more efficient than previous version. It’s not the case right?
Whenever you get the chance to test the Polestar 4, would love to know if it can actually charge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes, apparently they teamed up with a company called Charge Dot that really good at charging speeds
Amazeballs! I hope this doesn't come at the expense of battery health.
Bro porsche engineering is insane. They did all this while cutting the wieght of the entire car down. Easily the new EV standard. Only took porsche 4 years. Sheezz
How does it charge on a 400v charger?
Tesla needs these chargers and this curve
in the least, their top of the line vehicles should. no doubt the battery chemistry that porsche is using is more expensive + big overengineered thermal systems. the taycan is like $140k
Yep, asap would be great, they need to step up their charging game. It's not terrible 30-40 mins to get from low state of charge to 80% or higher but this is what these potential new customers need to see to take the plunge into a Ev.
I would just rather own a Porsche such a nicer car.
Correction sir, or madame, "charging plateau"!!! FULL SEND on: the road, bathroom, charging station and road again!
I want to see Race to Vegas with this, Lucid, Model S, and one of the EGMP cars (Ioniq 5, EV6, etc.) since they got 2nd place on the 1st Race to Vegas and represent a much lower price point.
You should do that comparison long distance test in Germany
Will the new Macan have the same charging curve?
It’s a different battery on a different platform so I don’t think you can hope for that. The Taycan is the best they have while the macan is a more affordable option.
Can you do a range test in comfort mode to see how much extra driving distance you get in range mode?
You should try to get your hands on a Berlin build Model Y RWD with the BYD Blade battery while you are in Germany. It has a pretty flat curve at 170kw all the way to over 50% and when plugged in at high state of charge, still goes up to 170 kw for some time. Overall it charges from 10 to 100 in under 30min and therefor often is a better road tripping car than the LR Model y in Europe with the LG battery.
I really want Kyle to do a video with the Mac Master
sweet car
Excellent idea how to deal with jet lag
I want this car so badly
New Taycan has a 97kW usable battery and at 80mph you averaged 2.5 mi/kW. Leaving for a roadtrip at 100% SOC and arriving at a charger at 10% would give you 218 miles of range at 80mph. 15 minutes of charging gives you at peak speeds basically 160 miles of range at 80mph. So in total, you could travel roughly 378 miles in 5 hours including the 15min charge in the middle and arrive at your destination with 10% again. Your average speed would be 75mph and for a roughly 400 mile road trip it’s nearly identical to a ICE car. Most people aren’t driving 300+ miles without stopping anyways. I know this argument has been played out before with EVs but even with this napkin math and this test shows this car can easily do 400 miles at 80mph just as comfortably and quickly as a ICE vehicle. This isn’t even the most efficient version of the Taycan either! Pretty amazing show of tech.
If low-efficiency EVs are less impacted by elevation gains, extreme weather and strong winds, it would be reasonable to prefer low-efficiency EVs with high battery capacity, they'd be more predictable on long trips on variable roads.
it is the same with gas vehicles too. A old 460 ford got the same mpg no matter how you drove it 8-9mpg
Depends. Low-efficiency means you're less impacted by wind and weather, but you're more impacted by the charging speeds of the stations along your route. Traveling a corridor with only 150 kW chargers impacts your charge time much more if your vehicle gets 2 mi/kWh than if it gets 4 mi/kWh.
Low-efficiency also makes driving very expensive, especially when paying public charging rates. And, even when home charging, a less efficient vehicle needs you need more amps to be able to finish charging overnight, which, in turn, means a more expensive charger and a greater likelihood of needing upgrades to your electrical panel. Granted, nobody that buys a Porsche cares the slightest about the cost of electricity, but it's still worth saying.
Are all EV makers using very similar lithium ion batteries? If so, what is the reason some EVs only hold a high charge rate for a brief period, and others charge at a high rate even when the battery is in a mid to high state of charge? Are some EV makers being incautious - or do they have technical superiority that lets them charge so much faster?
My guess is that a lot of the difference comes from the capacity of the battery cooling system. The faster you charge, the more heat you generate, so the more powerful a cooling system is needed to dissipate that heat. Some of it could also be Porsche willing to make sacrifices on battery longevity in order to be able to say that their cars charge faster than everyone else. The type of person who buys a new Porsche is someone who has more money than sense, so they probably aren't too concerned with how much battery degradation they have after 5-8 years of driving, and they'll probably be trading the car up (taking a huge depreciation hit) after 2-3 years anyway. For cheaper cars, such as a Bolt or Model 3, battery longevity is much more important.
254/(72-10%)=410km, an 18% lower range at 128 kph compared to 501 at 112 kph. How is this not disappointing ?
The charging curve is VERY impressive. But I do wonder if Porsche compromises battery (and component) health for the benefit of ramping it up so high. Or put differently: why can't Tesla do the same?
Me now wishing this entire video was in German 😂
New cannonball car
He probably will, but has to wait for statute of limitation has run out, in every state he goes through, to avoid prosecution.
Nice very nice. Just a shame most of us can't afford it. Only in our dreams.
Same applies to any Porsche, I guess. Would love to have this one, but alas…
I'm just hoping Porsche isn't pulling a Lucid on us and uncorking the battery pack. I'm really curious to see the degradation in the future.
"That's your car..." --- $140,000
This is now a big enough jump for people that hadn't switched to EV before to now consider it. 310 miles range, plus 10 minutes' charging at stops is pretty good.
@outofspecreviews please test Rimac Electric car 🤩
Incredible car - probably the best EV - but resale value after only 2 years ?
Super affordable too! 😂
Can we please get a Rivian R1T with such tech?
Nice if they could integrate some of this charging tech into the lowly ID4.
I think it's a matter of time before it does trickle down. There was a time way back in the day when only luxury cars had features like power locks, power seats, and keyless entry. Today, even the cheap cars all have it. It will be the same with 300 kW charging speeds.
wow, that was wow. I said many times - 15 minutes of charging for 2 hours of driving is ideal. 99.9% of people dont need more.
And that with 2.5mi/kWh. Imagine if Tesla with their 3 mi/kWh efficiency will get 67kWh within 15 minutes! Thats 200 miles.
fast charge rates are great but the public charging network offering it is more expensive than ICE and still takes longer lol
How will fast charging affect the battery life ?
YEP THATS THE TRUE =
They said that they made tests with charging speeds that are a bit slower than with the car they released know and it showed almost no degradation, so they increased the charging speed even further
It is Not that extreme you think...they charge with about 3C as Peak...300kw/100kwh...which is already done by others, too. The real improvement is the relative high Level almost the entire charging time.
Model 3 is at 3.2C...250kw/77kwh...but the Peak is very short and charging much slower due to this. They have a really bad charging curve, whereas the new Porsche Curve is relative flat.
@@josefv8708 I wonder why Tesla keeps the peak short
When next Taycan video? High speed blast across the Germany please.
You'll have to try the same thing with the new EV6 coming out with a 350 kw charger ... for 1/3 the price.
its Kia ... why do you compare it to Porsche
and Kia is 1/2 the price, not 1/3, in UK for example
when is the next cannonball with the refreshed Tycan? 😁
Insanity... plus as batteries get bigger/more dense, they'll be able to handle more kWs for longer, speeding up charging times even more. Hopefully 800V architecture becomes the standard.
Conversions to Celsius would be nice. Great video as always!
302KW is pretty impressive. I get around 268KW on my MSP when all is preconditioned, I'm still all in on Tesla. The tech just takes it over the edge
How long doe the Tesla maintain this level for? I have seen on videos that it always starts well but tapers very quickly. What is your experience?
One of the cons of the Porsche Taycan from Edmunds. "EV greatness comes at a commensurately great price"
Tesla loser
I just wish it was less long and less large. Hard to deal with this size in European cities without a lot of sweat.
While I admire the technology, the design, the engineering behind, the depreciation is a big problem, also with the lack of suitable infrastructure across all Europe (I am not talking about Germany, Norway).
11:53 - how shoulf an ota update increase the speed on an old chemistry battery ?
This is a completet new car regarding the drive train from battery to engine at least.
and it is a showcase what we can expect too see in smaller cars too and how VW has been beaten with its outdated ID crap of cars.
It’s got a charging plateau of full send nation 😂
Kyle is a highbeam driver 😭
They are matrix, it does blind other drivers.
@hrtlik They do..... trust me they do.
@@hrtlik can promise the blind. especially if you are in a truck it's hell. Worst invention ever. you can even see how much light hits the mirrors of the trucks he's passing.
I never wanted any Porsche ICE car, they just didn’t take my fancy but Taycan, especially in Cross or Sport Turismo wagon style, really do it for me. Hugely overpriced cars new and dire residuals when you want to sell them on but I could live with a used prefacelift Wagon easily, but the dealers here are buying them in cheap and pricing them stupidly high and wonder why they just sit on the forecourts. Business model of used Porsche dealers is crazy. I’m nit particularly keen on the looks of the new Macan either.
Only Porsche owned Porsche charging 15 min 10 % challenge
cant wait for the charging tech to trickle down to audi q4