Ahh, but do we really know it's the original battery? I recall another guy that also drove his Tesla as a taxi and hit battery was gone after half this mileage. As usual with cars you can get a long mileage one that is a dream and you can get a brand new one that is a total lemon.
@@MartinLovasz-r7r That will always be the way with cars, but the idea is if you treat it well - like most cars, you should get the best out of it and we have pretty good knowledge on batteries and how to treat them because batteries have been with us a long time so modern EV's already have measures in place to give the battery the best chance. Such as slow charging above a certain percentage and overcharge protection. Had EV's arrived 20 years ago they probably wouldn't even stop charging when at 100 percent, can you imagine, we have learnt alot over the years. We also have control as the owner to treat the battery however we want, some owners will do everything we are told not to do like run it to within a few percent and then charge it to its max and some owners will never let it drop below 20 percent and never charge it above 80-90 percent which we know is much easier on the battery. Im willing to bet one being used as a taxi is not charged to the max at every opportunity, charging takes time and time is money right so they most likely will charge it up to or near 80 percent and then get back on the road and then when its getting low... say, 20 percent they get it back on charge to ensure the next couple of pick ups dont come with the risk of dying mid journey. Here it is 450k miles later.
@@MartinLovasz-r7rhell, most people aren’t keeping cars with over 200k miles and if they do, its basically running it into the ground! A couple of things you need to remember. These car batteries are getting better and better as the years go by. Think about how good and how long they will last in 10 years when they stop producing ICE vehicles. Also by then, they will more than likely have batter cell replacements, refurbished batteries, extended battery warranties and they will be cheaper overall to replace. With all that said, a lot of these cars right now sell with a 8-10 year battery warranty from factory!
@@MartinLovasz-r7r This is a Tesla. If the battery had been changed there would be a record in software. You make a good point about 'lemons' which are far less likely with an EV as the component count is a fraction of that in an ICE car. What is becoming clear is that an EV reaching 200,000 miles and beyond wit the original battery and motor is becoming common. As time goes on people will realise than an old 'banger' EV is far more viable as a cheap runaround than an ICE car of the same age.
@@alexanderjohns7572 You go ahead and ask for an engine and transmission warranty in a used ICE vehicle lot. Wel see how that will turn out lol. Youl get an "out the door" warranty. Which means the warranty ends as soon as you leave the lot.
I bit the bullet as a petrol head, lots of superbikes, Fast cars, Ariel Atom 300 and few tack cars, and I went and got a new 24, Model 3 LR. So far I’ve done 6000 miles and it’s cost me £82.33 in total… 😮 this has shocked me! And I’ve been to a supercharger once for 12 minutes! That’s it! Insane
I just got my first EV as well. a 2024 standard range 3. After the first month I had 4,000 miles and it cost me $54, all home charging. I got it purely because of how much I drive for my job and it is already proving its worth. I couldn't be happier and can't wait for mine to go 400k.
@@GaryV-p3h you forgeting not everyone has lots of money to b put in car. brand new tesla 2024? how many can afford that. and looking at pros and cons compare to my 2015 diesel. i dont pay road tax. my insurance is lower by 50% than EV, fuel cost using public places 50% less (public chargers are expensive). fuel time less than 5 min. range 100% higher. for me its not worth going for electric car
Matt's a legend. Took my Tesla to him for a few years before I traded it in and he was incredible. Charged so little for his service, and his expertise is second to none. I'd take my Tesla to him over the dealership, any day, and I used to live 2.5 hours away from him and 15 minutes from Tesla.
That’s absolutely incredible. It’s almost impossible for a non EV to last this long without major repairs. Let alone a huge amount of savings that non EV’s require for maintenance and fuel ups.
@@bittripper3530 how many miles has your car? How many repairs? What I said is facts. W’ve had all kinds of cars in my family I talk from experience. There are cars like Lexus and Toyota’s (land cruisers ) that last a long time but they also require maintenance and repairs. Almost half million mile without major repair is almost impossible
Quick advice for anyone planning on getting one of these bad boys - the wear on the edge of the screen is caused by the earlier version "MCU1" computer. Most 17 and above started getting MCU2, which is a $2000 upgrade. If you're shopping for one, a quick way to check is to put the car in reverse. If you see the 2 side cameras, you got MCU2, which is far superior but way too often overlooked.
@migmigjohnson9351 can confirm. I got an MCU 1 model X and annoyed when I didn't have netflix n stuff. It's like a $800 upgrade to MCU2. Luckily I don't have any leakage or issues, Just no netflix
Went to testdrive a model X that had the MCU2 and was actually very unpleasantly suprised by how laggy the screen operation was. Granted I am an fps/hz snob with a gaming pc but that just felt horrible for a 100k + car....
@@PaulCurzon-u6e Can you tell if your Model S 90D would still need 90kWh of electricity to fully charge it from zero (even though you are now only getting about 72% of its new battery capacity) ?
The craziest part is that this car has done 430.000 miles while having the free charging from Tesla. The owner did such a fantastic deal on it, probably made a ton of money with this car.
To get to this mileage the last VAG 2.0TDi I had would have required 43 oil/filter changes, 21 fuel filters and 14 air filters, 5 timing belts and 5 serpentine belts as the absolute minimum of basic maintenance. At the prices I paid in May 2017 what would be £4170, you can add at least another £1000 for today's prices. That's also 43 visits to the dealer/garage, in effect 2 working months when the car isn't available, and that all assumes no other ICE related failure such as clutch, turbo, radiator, exhaust, DPF, injectors, injection pump, water pump, etc.
@@bordersw1239 Yeah well I doubt a VAG 2.0TDi is AWD and covers 0-60 in four seconds and is a luxury executive express. But I am sure you will put us straight on that.
@@JoeMcMorrow-k7e Most people dont need 4wd... and a 4 second 0-60. And to call Tesla a luxury is a stretch. I have nothing against Tesla and love the outside look of the Model S... but they are so cheap looking and badly made on the inside. But on the software side nothing comes close. And their batteries are some of the best
had our 2020 leaf from new. replaced one wiper blade. zero servicing. battery is still perfect. never fast charged it. only charged using nissan supplied charger. 10p to travel 100 miles. best car i've ever owned in 40 years of driving. we have 3 ice cars aswell. we love the leaf.
We have a 2 ice cars, 1 leaf and 1 tesla model x. If we aren’t going far most of the time we actually pick the leaf over the tesla! We call it leafy time 😂
Remeber this is Tesla's first mass produced car. What a legend of a car it is. We will see the current generation of Model 3's and Y's easily reaching 500,000 with alot less issues than what this Model S has experienced. The future is bright, the future is EV's.
Many manufacturers are turning to 800v aswell, 800v is more efficient, produces less heat, can make do with thinner and lighter cables, charges faster, can get more pulled back from regen. We dont yet know how it will be when it comes to longevity but it really has no downside, Rimac introduced us to 800v with the nevera and then were kind enough to share the blueprints with the likes of hyundai/kia, porsche, Audi etc. Lucid even went one further and produced the first 900v models, air / sapphire. The only downside ofcourse being cost so sadly Tesla are still going 400v with many of their models, probably to save money but they have used 800v in the cybertruck which is currently their only 800v model i think.
@@ZAINZ00M no reason why? they are just... crap lol you are one of the very few ''owners'' i have heard complain, i have an EV and as a life long petrol head i just dont see the problem... most responsive, quickest, quietest and cheapest vehicle to run i have ever owned in the last 36 years. 0-60 in 4 seconds, 300 miles and it costs me less than £5 a week. Do i prefer a v12 lamborghini... yes. Can i afford a v12 lamborghini... no.
"They build a brilliant software and hardware that runs it and then build a car around it" - Emphasis on brilliant. Which is time and time again proven by various trials and testers. It becomes more and more laughable how long Tesla was practically ignored and ridiculed by the "established" car makers, only for them to now struggle to catch up.
Build quality isn’t terrible, how many none EV vehicles you’ll see on the road with 430k miles that didn’t have major repairs? Most of them don’t even get to those mileages. It’s normal to expect some play in steering or suspension after this car took so much beating.
@@drmonstervibes I take it you two clowns think Tesla practically invented such problems and imperfections and other car makers never had similar issues and never will? Apart from the fact of course that the main focus of both the quote and my comment was about the software/hardware core of the car. But even if we go along with you two missing the mark here lets also take note that for a car with such both basic flaws as well as high mileage this Model S is in remarkably good shape - I have seen worse. And you know you have as well.
@robertmandl9326 bro, just calm down, you're acting like I've insulted your child or something... But since you seem to want to hold a serious discussion, let me elaborate on my views: 1.: contrary to your accusations, I never stated that other cars did not have their problems as well, it was you who came up with this statement. All I did was point out the faults that were mentioned in the video which imo rule out grading the car as "excellent". And if you ask me then a disintegrating rim is not exactly what I'd call a "basic" flaw. It's pretty bloody dangerous. And it's a flaw that is to do with building stuff down to a price. 2.: how are wipers and rims not hardware? Your definition of hardware doesn't seem to make sense. 3.: If you're gonna talk about Tesla build quality in general, it's pretty pointless having a discussion based on one single car which, btw, you hardly know any history of. That's not statistically relevant. What is statistically relevant is such things as MOT failure rates. And here in Germany where such statistics are regularly published I can tell you that for years Teslas have been right down at the bottom of the list along with the Dacias and stuff.
I just passed 100k miles on my black 2017 Model S 75D with FSD. Hardware/cameras/MCU all upgraded & I still get to 60mph in 4 seconds flat. It still feels new to me. Yeah, I'd love a new Plaid, but for what?
Soooo...how's that FSD working for you? 😄 Can't have been be using it much, at least not the way it has been advertised, since you're still alive? 😅 I suppose it should work reasonably well as a glorified cruise control on highways though? I'm genuinely curious!
@@phyr-4g Except it isn't is it, it will go on for at least as long as a petrol or diesel car, plus the battery can still go on for many years more as home storage, long after your ICE car has been scrapped before it gets recycled into another battery.
@@ianjames3078 This was true of the original Tesla roadster battery pack. It was more or less a first and were careful. But looking at the packs I see on tear downs the new packs are much better than older ones. Progress has been made. Mostly in cooling and what happens when one cell burns.
I've got P90D ludrcrous 762bhp for £25k with free supercharging across all European and UK tesla suoerchargers for life, autopilot, adaptive air suspension, sunroof and excellent battery with 18 month warranty with 170k miles on clock. Drives like new. First to drive will purchase
Free supercharging for life stays with vehicle for life, doesn’t matter who the owner is. Unless Tesla gets a hold of the car, if they do most likely they will remove free supercharging for life.
@@zenmoto369 do your research properly before posting... there is such thing as a P90DL with Ludicrous mode. I also have the same car in same spec with Free Supercharging with MCU2 and HW3+FSD
LFP also enjoys the facility of being charged regularly to 100%, something Lion alternatives dislike. There are also the cheaper Sodium batteries available in low cost EVs in China. They will make their way over here too.
Unreal.. My last 2 BMWs died at 190 and 210k miles.. By died, I mean died.. Catalyst was clogged and melted, head gasket blown and cracked the head with coolant leaks, tones of suspension chunks and slop, 2 clutch replacements and cracks on the subframe.
@@greathey1234 my 2021 nissan pathfinder lasted about 120k miles, the engine died. mind you i drive like a grandma and change oil AT THE DEALER religiously. so i know i was getting the right oil, filter and everything else. we had a toyota camry that started leaking oil from the engine at like 100k miles. cost a couple of thousand to repair. then it started leaking coolant.
largest mileage car I ever had was a Citreon Despatch van. It was four years old, diesel, had 160k miles on the clock. It was 5k cheaper than the same van with an average of 60-100k miles. Owner told me these vans go forever and this one was in excellent condition so I thought I was getting a decent deal and if I could get two years out of it, I would be happy enough. Three days after I picked it up, the thing conked out and cost me £300 to get it going again. 14 months of ownership that van cost me £4.5k in repairs not to mention the stress of dealing with all the BS. I sold it for peanuts in 2023. Ive had a few cars in my time, and its always the ones with mileage over 70k when things start to go wrong. So, this Tesla - Im impressed.
@specialkcitizen6263 I bought a cheap subaru. (Boxer engine nightmares🤦🤦) With 388k on the clock. Had it 2 and a half years, all it's needed was a wiper blade and petrol! Got well over 530k on the clock now. Bought it as a stepping stone cheap. To see me through for a few months. I never want to sell it now. I love it!
I have an average everyday EV, I had to drive my partners average everyday ICE the other day and it was borderline hilarious how much worse it was going "back" to an ICE format. Not to mention being (literally) 10x more expensive to fuel 😮
i keep an old diesel for the odd time when we need two cars at the same time and I feel exactly the same, it's like stepping back in time. Like driving a tractor vs a space ship. Hilarious.
@@Coordinator61 most EV owners in the UK are on an off-peak tariff paying around 8p KwH, which equates to under 2p per mile on a typical Tesla. My diesel is more like 15p...and that's before all the constant servicing it needs, it's a no-brainer.
@@AndyM-s8p It makes enough sence. Sales are down in Europe on EV's. Lease is going back to hybrid and petrol. The grid cannot handle al the EV's. We cannot do without petrol and diesel. Take away all benifits and people stop using EV's. Take a look at Norway. Good day.
As the years roll by and miles clock up it will sink into the minds of the general public that EVs stay viable for longer than almost any ICE car. ICE cars with that kind of mileage and without major engine/gearbox rebuilds are extremely rare. We already have thousands of EVs over 200,000 miles which is way above the 160,000 mileage average at which an ICE car gets scrapped. Great video!
Yep - many of the EV myths and anti-EV claims are already falling away. Many people are just adverse to change and can’t, or fail, to think differently
Biased comment. 92 Accord. 340k. Finally blew a main seal sitting in Michigan winter without being run. Blew seal on way home. First repair. Sold 00 Rav4 315k. Timing belt and alternator. Still Own. 10 Rx350 182k Oil cooler line replaced. Still own. Minimal maintenance. Sometimes going 70k miles without oil change.
hard to tell through time. .ice vehicles can drive for several decades after being built. EV might be similar but we are not able to compare that yet. And a lot of us just the cars running time with miles driven, but they are not always a measure of the cars use..
do they though? first of all you can't sell them so that's a major loss of investment.. most people sell their ICE cars long before they are useless. Secondly aged EVs mileage isn't enough for any kind of trip. Any ICE car can drive you whatever you want to go with zero anxiety. Thirdly, as this video clearly shows, EVs need servicing as well so there goes a major argument in favor of EVs. Most ICE cars don't need engine/gearbox rebuilds for many many years so the servicing costs might be similar, slightly higher but they balance out with the added cost of an EV purchase. The only way is hybrid for me.
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My Tesla Model S 85 has 405.000km and is still running like a charm and the funny thing is that I have a supercharger 5km away from home so in the last 5 years I have ALWAYS charged on the supercharger (for free !) and the battery is just fine with about 350km range. I made some repairs at around 250.000km but nothing major.
@@chrisbarron5861 because fast charging is supposed to wear out battery quicker. So its kinda 'funny' ie unexpected, that its lasted 405k kilometres 😆
@@thedidhedied7975 @@thedidhedied7975 is that it 'lasted' or has it lasted *and* lost no range whatsoever. It might 'last' for 4 milion miles if you ask no more than 50 miles range of it, supercharging every time
@@pj4433 I built an EV and its battery of 800 cells, so I know higher charge currents can reduce battery life. Some manufacturers even warn that it can happen, are you saying manufacturers are wrong ?
Great to see Matt and Altelium covered here. Real stalwarts for the aftermarket EV industry. They offer an aftermarket battery warranty through Altelium, backed by that health check. It's a product for the present and the future.😊
Im still running my 2014 Model S P85 (RWD) so now 10 years later 150,000 miles. I engineered 44 years around the world for big auto including electric vehicles and the Model S stood out as a beast of an machine whos fundamental engineering architecture was 99% right from day 1. Yes there are a few design faults, door handles fail (Tesla does a V2.5 hardware / software upgrade and have designed out the fails) The rear drive motor cooling seal may leak and cause damage (keep an eye on the coolant level), and /or have a rotor coolant delete kit fitted, the UK is not hot enough to justify the risk of the coolant fail. The RWD cars are the finest drive but hammer the rear suspension bushes trying to put near 500HP through 2 wheels on a 2.5 ton high torque car (cheap pairs of links to be had from Ebay or Cleaveley I just replace my own to keep the handling sharp). Over all Tesla did a fantastic job of the S, originals are still going strong (and free Supercharging for life helps), still Tesla supported well and with a growing number of third party services such as Cleavley means these cars will be around a long time yet.
I'm a mechanic and I can promise you this car has be well serviced. It also has new covers underneath you can't do them sort of miles and not have damage underneath just look at the rims that tells you what the underneath should look like. Also maybe it's been in a accident how overly clean and shiny the back and side of this car is makes me think it's been in a accident and had new taillights and a respray could be wrong but it's looks a lot newer than the rest of the car. Next they had a play with the lower control arms with a pry bar the bushes in the rear of all cars ice or Ev use the exact same rubber bushings or nolathane bushings there were no movement cracks or splits in the bushings meaning there been replaced. And lastly if you go on Google and ask how much to service a Tesla it says it cost $832 per year so to say it cost nothing is misinformation
We got about 660,000 miles out of my Datsun 240Z, but I did put a 280Z engine into it, and a beefier rear end. Bought the car for 3K$, and put about 5K$ of repairs into it. Iron block helps, but the aluminum heads do crack after about 300K miles, so need replacement, easily done. It was a California car, so no rust. Finally gave it away to Goodwill, and they sold it for 700$ to a new owner. Best purchase ever.
Well done, Rory for the first time ever you’ve actually been quite sensible and even complimentary about an EV without resorting to Clickbait or sensationalism.
I'm not sure what you've been watching but if I had to name someone if the mainstream/social media space that has a positive opinion Rory would be the first person who comes to mind
Very confused lol. Clearly a lot of people don't watch this normally. He's been very positive about EVs while still feeling very genuine about the problems. Quite appreciate all of his car reviews
Clevely are the REAL DEAL, good choice to go to them. Impressive that this early car still has 75% of capacity remaining, when 99.99% of ICE cars would have gone to scrap already.
NZ has an amazing car culture from some of the rarest vintage cars to some extremely high end ones with endless petrolheads in between that some countries can only envy. Hopefully you can represent this amazing collection globally the way it deserves to be. Best of luck!!
It's good to see another old Tesla still going. Mine has only done 142K, but at 10 years old it is still pretty quick by todays standards (3.8 second 0-60mph and a 11.9 second quarter mile). 66KWH usable, from the original 81KWH ( plus the 4KWH reserved for "anti-brick"), which if I drive it easy will still see around 200 miles from a charge. I have free supercharging for life, so this has paid for itself over the time I have had it. No plans to ever sell it, as I'm just about to go full race spec (stripped, cage, buckets, harnesses, etc).
The amount of misinformation and sheer ignorance I see from anti-EV folks on social media is mind boggling. I actually referenced this car in a post citing the 430,000 "miles" and the guy called me ignorant because he was from the UK and maybe since I'm an American I didn't understand the difference between kilometers and miles...and he said 'Because there's no way a junk EV can do 430k miles' 😂🤣 I actually had to post the original video interview. And of course...just like that he tucked tail and changed the subject and made all sorts of excuses and lame comments and false claims about how EVs are just not viable...!!!
Almost as bad as the sheep who believe the propaganda about how great these things are. You know back when Hyundai were still using the theta 1 engines, some of those cars crossed the 1 million mile mark with the original engine and Trans, only requiring regular maintenence and wear items. So as you go keyboard warrior about this car, this is the exception, not the rule.
1. How much to fix the leaking drive unit? 2. Has the original battery been repaired or overhauled? At what cost? 3. Have the original drive units been overhauled? At what cost?
Li-cycle is the main battery recycling company in the U.S.A. and in Canada. It's only going to get better. Remember it's not just for cars, it's all the battery's in your Amazon products and your phones and more. Cars will be the main source in 5 year. So I'm investing in the stock now.
Keep in mind that the new ones improved drastically in quality. We recently switched from a 2019 Model 3 to a 2023 and it's like an entirely different car. The improvement in quality is astonishing. Their goal of a million mile car seems quite plausible.
@@OggyGTA There is obvious financial incentive to improve battery tech in all metrics, and the trend is clear. Batteries are improving rapidly and show no signs of stopping
Fo the money you saved with not servicing the car you could pay all the advised repair costs, with an ICE car of a similar category you would have had much higher cost overall to run it, if it would reach such a high mileage at all without major costly repairs (new engine for example)..
I wish yall put this out just a little while ago. I just found the owner of this car in a certain forum. I’m so happy I purchased my 2016 model s 90d, I would like to do a opposite comparison for my car is now eight years old about to be out of warranty and I purchased it with only 41,000 miles on it. I currently currently have 42,500 miles on it in the span of about one month., I have not done test, but I absolutely could and I’d love to share my experience with people any interest in partnering Autotrader!
considering most of new combustion engine cars wouldn't even get to 430k miles I am truly impressed with Tesla. I was looking into getting model 3 recently as prices have come down but insurance costs (apparently due to high repair bills) are stupidly high so no Tesla for me. for comparison my 71 reg 330e costs me £65 per month in insurance, model 3 was £200 per month....
An ICE car is ruined after way less then 430.000 miles. And what do you have here? Some minor repairs. All the expensive components are just fine. And that's old Tech by this point. LFP will fare even better.
@@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gd Which to my certain knowledge still has it's original spark plugs, filters, oil, clutch, exhaust. Those petrol cars go on forever and never need anything doing to them. People don't understand this - Petrol cars have never seen the inside of a garage.
@@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gdnot quite the same comparison, according to an article I just found about his P1800 it went through 3,316 quarts (3,769 litres) of oil 829 oil filters 464 spark plugs 156 tires 29 sets of brake pads 29 fan belts 4 sets of shock absorbers 3 water pumps 3 generators It had also had its engine rebuilt at some point.
LPF has it's own issue with not supplying power as fast and weight. Hopefully solid state will be a big leap. Toyota says they can charge to full in 10minutes on their test SS packs.
This is the EV for car guys. Just bought one and very impressed. Showed to another fellow car mate and he was shocked too. Find an SC01 car and you have gold
That’s phenomenal, I’ve owners Toyotas and Hondas. Great cars, after 150k an axle bearing or head gasket would always have to be repaired. Not counting quarterly oil changes. The fact this car required almost zero maintenance after 430k miles is insane with only 28% battery degradation. The highest I’ve personally owned a car was 225k miles on a Toyota 4 runner, axle bearing and head gasket went out around 200k.
Good video. I would like to see a health check at that mileage in a petrol car and the list of parts including oil and filters. Plus how many discs and pads it’s gone though not to mention the exhaust
Great stuff ❤ This video packs abundantly of super relevant info, proving that modern EVs aren't an expensive/worthless pile of metal after a few years ⚡
@@RichardBrooklyn I really don't think the Daily Mail are interested in facts, facts get in the way of a good story, especially stories that keep their readers in a permanent state of rage.
@@drmonstervibes Yes especially when compared to any other German marque that does 0-60 in four seconds it four wheel drive and an opulent well appointed executive express. I mean BMW 7 series of the day were only nine quid to buy brand new (plus £300 for the radio that was an option).
430 000 miles for a normal user is incredible, but for a taxi driver is actually pretty bad, a proper diesel car (and does not have to be a new one at that) can go over 1 250 000 miles before a full engine rebuild in the hands of a taxi driver! This car lost already around 30% of it's battery performance but it's not only about performance, what that means is it will now cost 30% more money to drive the same miles compared to the same car with a new battery, which is a pretty steep price increase for running costs. Also on a final note, that battery is right now a ticking time bomb without a timer... it can simply stop working any day now as batteries to not actually degrade over time on a linear basis.
If this is from an exceptionally high mileage car that has never had a service what would an average mileage car that has been serviced be like compared to it's ICE equivalent, same age & mileage, how do the running costs compare.
Wow. This was I super good condition. 400 000 miles is a lot to any car. Yes, other cars can do it as well but how much money you have to spend on maintenance? A lot, even if there are no breakages
I was watching some Norwegian mechanic vids about the model S and the general consensus is it's a bit problematic with age and the Model 3 / Y are a vast improvement.
33k in and two years on an Ioniq 5: zero noticeable degradation. Its "as new", range wise. And remember, most people wouldn't hit 33k in 4 years. I do a LOT of long distance driving in my work.
@@timaustin2000 Yes, compared to the average driver you're driving a lot. Still I have a hard time imagining how the average driver manages to drive that little. Maybe they don't leave the house that often. Or still have their horse for daily use 😀
@@valuemasteryPresumably he lives in the UK, where things are closer together. And people can walk to the shops, pub, restaurants etc rather than driving 20 miles through suburbia to buy a jug of milk.
For a car that has done 430,000 miles, it still looks to be in fair to good condition. Compared to cars from the 70s and 80s, with around 150,000 miles on the clock it is great.
Any link for that because that's a troll bull comment.. Do a battery health test then you know the facts, battery replacement cost is a fortune. It's age and high speed charging that ruins the batteries. In Ireland EVs are so hard sold and hazards for fires
If it's a 2016 model it's still quite early considering model S came out in 2012. They had a lot of progress on battery management software, better heating/cooling modes and better battery cells themselves after that. Which make the more recent ones degrade even slower, it'd still be over 80-85% if it was a 2018-2020 model (techwise).
Another negative EV narrative debunked. Awesome job! It doesn’t seem biased in any way and even though it’s only 1 Tesla in the spotlights here, there’s enough evidence out there (raw data) from many other Tesla owners that have similar results.
Great video. I just wanted to point out that is not the same a 70% left capacity of a 90KWh battery (Model S) than from a 60KWh battery pack, like model 3 basic unit. For the later, it means that from an estimated range of 260miles would drop to 182 aprox. It’s not bad, but it’s a must to say compared to model S shown in the video. Again, great video and hope to see more
I worry that this could mislead potential purchasers of EVs. I have a 2015 Model S that has done only 42k miles but I have to top up twice for a return trip London to Birmingham. I’m also having to pay through the nose for things like when my passenger air bag light wouldn’t turn off so Tesla have advised me that the only fix is to replace the entire passenger seat at a cost of over £3k. A recent LTE upgrade to try to get the internet to work (still not perfect) also cost me a lot…..I wouldn’t mind paying if the service was at least prompt and efficient but every time I send the car in there’s something new they need which adds time to getting the car back. But going back to the main point, my battery has degraded even after just 42k miles so worry that this may not be a fair representation.
Where is the performance testing mentioned at the beginning? Battery internal resistance is important, to see voltage drop under hard acceleration. 353K miles on my MY2013 Chevy Volt, about 75% of original capacity the battery computer reports. Internal resistance is quite high but I keep it about 60% true SOC charged to keep performance. Edit: Oh! Episodes 2 and 3 has the goods!
There's always a guy who has smoked 80 a day and hasn't been ill. If I drive 150miles and run out of fuel I want a spare in the boot to get me to the nearest filling station and then be on my way in 5 minutes. My car has 225,000 MILES on the clock and starts every time - it is a BMW so I do worry about it, but at least BMW sell parts for old cars and anyone can fix them.
Fascinating and very clear video. Seems like if Tesla were interested in making a 'longlife' Model S they'd concentrate on the car parts - those lights, wipers, horn, suspension linkages, just to improve robustness/corrosion resistance.
Really interesting. Great video. Definitely give some encouragement to the used EV market. But so many questions. Auto trader would do well to explore and expand this subject. Tesla is not every EV, and their battery management/motors are industry leading. I have previously not considered EV. I recently considered a 3yr old EV and keeping for 3years (still under manufacturer warranty). Didn’t proceed yet as it’s too risky for us.
It depends but overall, all vehicle insurance cost has risen dramatically in 2024 - averaging 38%. Other executive expresses are far more costly - a new Range Rover, you cannot even get quotes for. JLR have had to organise their own insurance arm.
Gone up everywhere post covid,even in usa they're insane, also tories changed rules meaning they have to offer same price to current and new customers, meaning those supermarket comparison offers for switching don't exist anymore like before
The horn doesn't work the wiper catches on the bonnet and the play on the wheel would fail an MOT at my local garage. Its a taxi for goodness sake how has it flown under the MOT radar?
@@madmcadder4536 As an American from Kansas, I have no idea how these issues got past the British MOT, it seems like this car should fail a New York State inspection on the horn thing alone. We don't have state vehicle inspections in my state and I've seen a lot worse than this Tesla on the road.
@@madmcadder4536 How many times are you going go repeat this? He should get these fixed of course, but at 430,000 high abuse miles, I'm surprised there's not more wrong.
@@madmcadder4536sounds like some seriously small problems for a car with 430k , I mean it should be fixed but it's hardly an argument against the cars reliability, comparing it with any other cars it seems quite incredible
Thanks, helps to dispel all the stupid myths that suggest that the battery will only last 2 years,if it doesn't burst into flames first. I am an EV fan, but not a Tesla fan.
I've never worked on a Tesla, but the US and UK labor prices seem quite high, vs USA, as are the parts. Of course the business owner knows all about his business and TAXES, so he decides how to run things. I wonder how UK charging prices and availability run?
also, remember this car use the Tesla super charger to get 100% battery at least 3 times a day and also got charged at home at nights, and the battery is still in great condition for its millage
A bit of boring number crunching. Taking Cleevely's results this Tesla has averaged a capacity loss of 1% for every 15,357 miles. That means the degradation table looks as follows: 10% = 153,571mls; 20% = 307,143mls; 30% = 460,714mls; 40% = 614,286mls; 50% = 767,857mls. Just for giggles I would add that once the car reached one million miles it would be down to 35%. The mileage at 50% degradation would be 138 miles. And again, these figures are based on a service car that has averaged just under 54,000 miles per year. The average Joe would drive maybe half that distance at most which means the degradation would be less and the results would be even more impressive. And then add to that the lack of regular servicing and this car could be showing as much as 85% battery capacity right now. Some owners who have driven Teslas regular distances in a regular manner and kept up a minimum level of maintenance have reported exactly that after 8 years and more. Again just for giggles I would add that the car would still have 107 miles range after one million miles of driving as a service car. That's still as much range as most brand new "city car" EVs.
Battery degradation isn't linear. It probably lost 10% in the first 20k miles and the rest much more slowly. Unfortunately when the battery does go it'll likely be very quickly again.
There are many factors that effect battery degradation such charging patterns, but in general, it is made up of cyclic (mileage) and calendar ageing. this vehicle has done very high cyclic ageing for its age. As the total Tesla car park ages, we will see the average degradation get a bit worse as the data becomes less skewed by high mileage vehicles. An average age vehicle at 430,000 miles (c.40 years old) would probably be nearer 50-60% State of Health which would still be incredible, but not quite as impressive as the ex-taxi, high-mileage Model S.
Worth bearing in mind it is not a "battery" it is a battery pack comprising many thousands of individual cells. this is what gives it longevity when compared to early leafs that had maybe a few dozen pouches. 5,500 cells and you lose 50, thats only 1% range loss. 80 pouches and you lose 1.25% range for every pouch.
I guess this is the ultimate "Told You So", in the automotive world. There was those of us who went with the science, engineering and evidence, and others who bought the FUD story. If you don't own or drive a BEV [forget Hybrids] now, make one your next car purchase. They are so much better it's not even close.
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Remember, folks, this car has not been babied. It's run hard, day in and day out, as a business vehicle. 150 miles a day on average
Ahh, but do we really know it's the original battery? I recall another guy that also drove his Tesla as a taxi and hit battery was gone after half this mileage. As usual with cars you can get a long mileage one that is a dream and you can get a brand new one that is a total lemon.
@@MartinLovasz-r7r That will always be the way with cars, but the idea is if you treat it well - like most cars, you should get the best out of it and we have pretty good knowledge on batteries and how to treat them because batteries have been with us a long time so modern EV's already have measures in place to give the battery the best chance. Such as slow charging above a certain percentage and overcharge protection. Had EV's arrived 20 years ago they probably wouldn't even stop charging when at 100 percent, can you imagine, we have learnt alot over the years.
We also have control as the owner to treat the battery however we want, some owners will do everything we are told not to do like run it to within a few percent and then charge it to its max and some owners will never let it drop below 20 percent and never charge it above 80-90 percent which we know is much easier on the battery. Im willing to bet one being used as a taxi is not charged to the max at every opportunity, charging takes time and time is money right so they most likely will charge it up to or near 80 percent and then get back on the road and then when its getting low... say, 20 percent they get it back on charge to ensure the next couple of pick ups dont come with the risk of dying mid journey. Here it is 450k miles later.
@@MartinLovasz-r7rhell, most people aren’t keeping cars with over 200k miles and if they do, its basically running it into the ground! A couple of things you need to remember. These car batteries are getting better and better as the years go by. Think about how good and how long they will last in 10 years when they stop producing ICE vehicles. Also by then, they will more than likely have batter cell replacements, refurbished batteries, extended battery warranties and they will be cheaper overall to replace. With all that said, a lot of these cars right now sell with a 8-10 year battery warranty from factory!
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 You just can’t accept how these cars are?
@@MartinLovasz-r7r This is a Tesla. If the battery had been changed there would be a record in software. You make a good point about 'lemons' which are far less likely with an EV as the component count is a fraction of that in an ICE car. What is becoming clear is that an EV reaching 200,000 miles and beyond wit the original battery and motor is becoming common. As time goes on people will realise than an old 'banger' EV is far more viable as a cheap runaround than an ICE car of the same age.
Autotrader need to provide a battery health report on all its used EV cars for sale.
I wouldn't buy a used EV without a battery health report and ideally an extended battery warranty if the manufacturer's warranty has expired.
Hmm, Autotrader don’t sell cars.
and a report on the piston ring integrity for each piston!
@@Stepbystep74 Head gaskets, piston rod wear, etc.
@@alexanderjohns7572 You go ahead and ask for an engine and transmission warranty in a used ICE vehicle lot. Wel see how that will turn out lol. Youl get an "out the door" warranty. Which means the warranty ends as soon as you leave the lot.
I bit the bullet as a petrol head, lots of superbikes, Fast cars, Ariel Atom 300 and few tack cars, and I went and got a new 24, Model 3 LR. So far I’ve done 6000 miles and it’s cost me £82.33 in total…
😮 this has shocked me! And I’ve been to a supercharger once for 12 minutes! That’s it! Insane
The only people who don't like EVs are people who have no real experience of them.
I just got my first EV as well. a 2024 standard range 3. After the first month I had 4,000 miles and it cost me $54, all home charging. I got it purely because of how much I drive for my job and it is already proving its worth. I couldn't be happier and can't wait for mine to go 400k.
@@GaryV-p3h you forgeting not everyone has lots of money to b put in car. brand new tesla 2024? how many can afford that. and looking at pros and cons compare to my 2015 diesel. i dont pay road tax. my insurance is lower by 50% than EV, fuel cost using public places 50% less (public chargers are expensive). fuel time less than 5 min. range 100% higher. for me its not worth going for electric car
@@wolverine1981pl If you don't want one then don't buy one, it's your loss not mine.
@@wolverine1981pl priorities mate
Matt's a legend. Took my Tesla to him for a few years before I traded it in and he was incredible. Charged so little for his service, and his expertise is second to none. I'd take my Tesla to him over the dealership, any day, and I used to live 2.5 hours away from him and 15 minutes from Tesla.
Is that 2.5 hours including charging time on the journey?
@@ln5747 lol shitboxes
Can’t believe Autotrader didn’t do something maintenance on the car, and replace battery. They got 5 videos out of this!
That’s absolutely incredible. It’s almost impossible for a non EV to last this long without major repairs. Let alone a huge amount of savings that non EV’s require for maintenance and fuel ups.
Nonsense my non EV went for 19 years with no issues, your EV will need new batteries after 10
@@bittripper353019years without service?
@@bittripper3530 how many miles has your car? How many repairs?
What I said is facts. W’ve had all kinds of cars in my family I talk from experience. There are cars like Lexus and Toyota’s (land cruisers ) that last a long time but they also require maintenance and repairs. Almost half million mile without major repair is almost impossible
Possible exceptions are some Mercedes Benz and Volvo models, and I doubt that would be true for anything made after the year 2005.
Only 1.2 percent of gasoline vehicles ever reach 200,000 miles. Some people find this hard to believe but it is a verifiable fact.
Quick advice for anyone planning on getting one of these bad boys - the wear on the edge of the screen is caused by the earlier version "MCU1" computer. Most 17 and above started getting MCU2, which is a $2000 upgrade. If you're shopping for one, a quick way to check is to put the car in reverse. If you see the 2 side cameras, you got MCU2, which is far superior but way too often overlooked.
MCU = Marvel Cinematic Universe 😅
I agree! I love my 2015 model s but wished I looked harder for one that already had the upgrade
@migmigjohnson9351 can confirm. I got an MCU 1 model X and annoyed when I didn't have netflix n stuff. It's like a $800 upgrade to MCU2. Luckily I don't have any leakage or issues, Just no netflix
Went to testdrive a model X that had the MCU2 and was actually very unpleasantly suprised by how laggy the screen operation was. Granted I am an fps/hz snob with a gaming pc but that just felt horrible for a 100k + car....
@@R1987Rit's still old. Anything but the newer Teslas with amd chips will feel laggy.
It is awesome to see that the Tesla to see that the 2016 Tesla S has a 72% battery capacity and 200 miles of range after 430,000 miles of use.
It’s currently 442,000 miles. I average 10,000 miles a month.
I'm ok with 100 miles range at 15 years. I'll buy 1 under 5k and take the fire risk.
@@PaulCurzon-u6e Can you tell if your Model S 90D would still need 90kWh of electricity to fully charge it from zero (even though you are now only getting about 72% of its new battery capacity) ?
This guy is amazing. He clearly knows everything there is to know about electric cars/ Teslas. Kudos to him
The craziest part is that this car has done 430.000 miles while having the free charging from Tesla. The owner did such a fantastic deal on it, probably made a ton of money with this car.
Don't care, I would never buy one because of Elon.
Jk. I love these things, Model S still the best looking EV.
But I think manufacture should make improvement on battery, although the car is cool
@@Peterciwa What improvement would you imagine they could make?
@@editmanify time validation for the battery, in a case I'm a long distance traveller maybe to areas with no charging bay seems a challenge
Good point, plus you get to support Elon who is now using his massive IQ to improve free speech and call out other atrocities.
To get to this mileage the last VAG 2.0TDi I had would have required 43 oil/filter changes, 21 fuel filters and 14 air filters, 5 timing belts and 5 serpentine belts as the absolute minimum of basic maintenance. At the prices I paid in May 2017 what would be £4170, you can add at least another £1000 for today's prices. That's also 43 visits to the dealer/garage, in effect 2 working months when the car isn't available, and that all assumes no other ICE related failure such as clutch, turbo, radiator, exhaust, DPF, injectors, injection pump, water pump, etc.
They will just put fingers in ears and shout lalalala to that!
Fantastic comparison, thanks
You forgot the £81k purchase price of the Model S 90D back in 2016.
@@bordersw1239 Yeah well I doubt a VAG 2.0TDi is AWD and covers 0-60 in four seconds and is a luxury executive express. But I am sure you will put us straight on that.
@@JoeMcMorrow-k7e Most people dont need 4wd... and a 4 second 0-60. And to call Tesla a luxury is a stretch. I have nothing against Tesla and love the outside look of the Model S... but they are so cheap looking and badly made on the inside. But on the software side nothing comes close. And their batteries are some of the best
had our 2020 leaf from new. replaced one wiper blade. zero servicing. battery is still perfect. never fast charged it. only charged using nissan supplied charger. 10p to travel 100 miles.
best car i've ever owned in 40 years of driving. we have 3 ice cars aswell. we love the leaf.
How do you work out 10p!?
@@edc1569 in summer electric is almost free here in sweden. they have too much of it.
sometimes they pay you take it off them.
Japanese quality control makes for a good car regardless of where it is actually built.
@@isaachunt5799 I own a 62kw nissan leaf and pay British gas 8.9p per kWh
At 4.5 miles per kWh so it costs me £1.97 to cover 100 miles.
We have a 2 ice cars, 1 leaf and 1 tesla model x. If we aren’t going far most of the time we actually pick the leaf over the tesla! We call it leafy time 😂
Remeber this is Tesla's first mass produced car. What a legend of a car it is.
We will see the current generation of Model 3's and Y's easily reaching 500,000 with alot less issues than what this Model S has experienced.
The future is bright, the future is EV's.
Ev’s are shit i should know i’ve had 2 teslas and i currently have a new volvo ex30 my wife loves them for some reason but they’re crap
Many manufacturers are turning to 800v aswell, 800v is more efficient, produces less heat, can make do with thinner and lighter cables, charges faster, can get more pulled back from regen. We dont yet know how it will be when it comes to longevity but it really has no downside, Rimac introduced us to 800v with the nevera and then were kind enough to share the blueprints with the likes of hyundai/kia, porsche, Audi etc. Lucid even went one further and produced the first 900v models, air / sapphire.
The only downside ofcourse being cost so sadly Tesla are still going 400v with many of their models, probably to save money but they have used 800v in the cybertruck which is currently their only 800v model i think.
@@ZAINZ00M no reason why? they are just... crap lol
you are one of the very few ''owners'' i have heard complain, i have an EV and as a life long petrol head i just dont see the problem... most responsive, quickest, quietest and cheapest vehicle to run i have ever owned in the last 36 years. 0-60 in 4 seconds, 300 miles and it costs me less than £5 a week.
Do i prefer a v12 lamborghini... yes.
Can i afford a v12 lamborghini... no.
@@ZAINZ00M you make an excellent argument, with some of the best points ever…🤦🏻♂️
@@Rambo9700 thank you i do try
Love the Cleevely guys, I won’t let anyone else touch my EV, including the manufacturer dealership. Total professionals and really clued up.
Good to know when I eventually have to own an EV. I'll keep these chaps in mind
Same here, we only use Cleevely for our EVs
Same here, they also travel the whole of Britain, not sure about Ireland, but they are real professionals.
"They build a brilliant software and hardware that runs it and then build a car around it" - Emphasis on brilliant. Which is time and time again proven by various trials and testers. It becomes more and more laughable how long Tesla was practically ignored and ridiculed by the "established" car makers, only for them to now struggle to catch up.
Exactly, I wish my car had wipers that eat the bonnet and cracked wheels...
didn't you watch the video? Build quality is terrible
Build quality isn’t terrible, how many none EV vehicles you’ll see on the road with 430k miles that didn’t have major repairs? Most of them don’t even get to those mileages. It’s normal to expect some play in steering or suspension after this car took so much beating.
@@drmonstervibes I take it you two clowns think Tesla practically invented such problems and imperfections and other car makers never had similar issues and never will?
Apart from the fact of course that the main focus of both the quote and my comment was about the software/hardware core of the car.
But even if we go along with you two missing the mark here lets also take note that for a car with such both basic flaws as well as high mileage this Model S is in remarkably good shape - I have seen worse. And you know you have as well.
@robertmandl9326 bro, just calm down, you're acting like I've insulted your child or something...
But since you seem to want to hold a serious discussion, let me elaborate on my views:
1.: contrary to your accusations, I never stated that other cars did not have their problems as well, it was you who came up with this statement. All I did was point out the faults that were mentioned in the video which imo rule out grading the car as "excellent". And if you ask me then a disintegrating rim is not exactly what I'd call a "basic" flaw. It's pretty bloody dangerous. And it's a flaw that is to do with building stuff down to a price.
2.: how are wipers and rims not hardware? Your definition of hardware doesn't seem to make sense.
3.: If you're gonna talk about Tesla build quality in general, it's pretty pointless having a discussion based on one single car which, btw, you hardly know any history of. That's not statistically relevant. What is statistically relevant is such things as MOT failure rates. And here in Germany where such statistics are regularly published I can tell you that for years Teslas have been right down at the bottom of the list along with the Dacias and stuff.
I just passed 100k miles on my black 2017 Model S 75D with FSD. Hardware/cameras/MCU all upgraded & I still get to 60mph in 4 seconds flat. It still feels new to me. Yeah, I'd love a new Plaid, but for what?
How much did the upgrades cost ?
Soooo...how's that FSD working for you? 😄 Can't have been be using it much, at least not the way it has been advertised, since you're still alive? 😅 I suppose it should work reasonably well as a glorified cruise control on highways though? I'm genuinely curious!
@@armchaircommenter6805 FSD is incredibly impressive. It's not just "glorified cruise control". It's better than 90% of the drivers out there.
All you need is Ludicrous
MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe 😅
I have hyundai kona Electric 2019 64kw, and battery health is 96.3% after 98k miles very impressive.
If you look after a car then a car will look after you.
EV-Market-saver Bot
& this is an 8 year old car, EV battery technology has come on a lot in that time & will only get better.
Sometimes things get over engineered and then cost gets driven out to improve margins over time.
I had a 2022 ev and the first range was 💩.
Yes, adn 8 year old EV is ready for the scrap yard.
@@phyr-4g Except it isn't is it, it will go on for at least as long as a petrol or diesel car, plus the battery can still go on for many years more as home storage, long after your ICE car has been scrapped before it gets recycled into another battery.
@@ianjames3078 This was true of the original Tesla roadster battery pack. It was more or less a first and were careful. But looking at the packs I see on tear downs the new packs are much better than older ones. Progress has been made. Mostly in cooling and what happens when one cell burns.
I've got P90D ludrcrous 762bhp for £25k with free supercharging across all European and UK tesla suoerchargers for life, autopilot, adaptive air suspension, sunroof and excellent battery with 18 month warranty with 170k miles on clock. Drives like new. First to drive will purchase
Why that person sold ?
@@GreenDriveIndiastolen car sold for cheap.
But please correct me if im wrong that free Supercharging is not transferable for your vehicle ?
Free supercharging for life stays with vehicle for life, doesn’t matter who the owner is. Unless Tesla gets a hold of the car, if they do most likely they will remove free supercharging for life.
@@zenmoto369 do your research properly before posting... there is such thing as a P90DL with Ludicrous mode. I also have the same car in same spec with Free Supercharging with MCU2 and HW3+FSD
Modern LFP batteries are supposed to last much longer than these ones.
I imagine around 3 times as long in terms of cycles.
Sure, but it’d either be much heavier, or the car would have much lower range.
I think solid state is the holy grail.
@@GHinWI all Model Y/3s standard range actually already use LFP! :)
It is a bit heavier but it's worth the higher cycle depth.
@@GHinWI New lfp teslas have longer range.
LFP also enjoys the facility of being charged regularly to 100%, something Lion alternatives dislike. There are also the cheaper Sodium batteries available in low cost EVs in China. They will make their way over here too.
highcycle but low range so in km's there will be a diffrence but not as big as you tought
I’m more impressed by how clean the backseat is 12:47 for a taxi that’s done 430k miles.
Unreal.. My last 2 BMWs died at 190 and 210k miles.. By died, I mean died.. Catalyst was clogged and melted, head gasket blown and cracked the head with coolant leaks, tones of suspension chunks and slop, 2 clutch replacements and cracks on the subframe.
My Nissan pickup never does that
Great advert for poor maintenance
@@greathey1234 my 2021 nissan pathfinder lasted about 120k miles, the engine died. mind you i drive like a grandma and change oil AT THE DEALER religiously. so i know i was getting the right oil, filter and everything else. we had a toyota camry that started leaking oil from the engine at like 100k miles. cost a couple of thousand to repair. then it started leaking coolant.
Buy a Fiat TwinAir and have it @ 50k miles..
poor maintenance🤣
Rory is without doubt the best presenter in the industry. So professional. Obviously the cars held up extremely well.
One of the most useful EV vids yet. Thanks.
Too bad it’s all fake and the whole videos a lie buddy :)
largest mileage car I ever had was a Citreon Despatch van. It was four years old, diesel, had 160k miles on the clock. It was 5k cheaper than the same van with an average of 60-100k miles. Owner told me these vans go forever and this one was in excellent condition so I thought I was getting a decent deal and if I could get two years out of it, I would be happy enough. Three days after I picked it up, the thing conked out and cost me £300 to get it going again. 14 months of ownership that van cost me £4.5k in repairs not to mention the stress of dealing with all the BS. I sold it for peanuts in 2023. Ive had a few cars in my time, and its always the ones with mileage over 70k when things start to go wrong. So, this Tesla - Im impressed.
@specialkcitizen6263 I bought a cheap subaru. (Boxer engine nightmares🤦🤦)
With 388k on the clock. Had it 2 and a half years, all it's needed was a wiper blade and petrol! Got well over 530k on the clock now. Bought it as a stepping stone cheap. To see me through for a few months. I never want to sell it now. I love it!
I have an average everyday EV, I had to drive my partners average everyday ICE the other day and it was borderline hilarious how much worse it was going "back" to an ICE format. Not to mention being (literally) 10x more expensive to fuel 😮
i keep an old diesel for the odd time when we need two cars at the same time and I feel exactly the same, it's like stepping back in time. Like driving a tractor vs a space ship. Hilarious.
Yeah right and energy is offcourse for free. Without public money these EV's are no where.
@@Coordinator61 most EV owners in the UK are on an off-peak tariff paying around 8p KwH, which equates to under 2p per mile on a typical Tesla. My diesel is more like 15p...and that's before all the constant servicing it needs, it's a no-brainer.
@@Coordinator61can you re-write your comment again, so it makes sense?
@@AndyM-s8p It makes enough sence. Sales are down in Europe on EV's. Lease is going back to hybrid and petrol. The grid cannot handle al the EV's. We cannot do without petrol and diesel. Take away all benifits and people stop using EV's. Take a look at Norway. Good day.
As the years roll by and miles clock up it will sink into the minds of the general public that EVs stay viable for longer than almost any ICE car. ICE cars with that kind of mileage and without major engine/gearbox rebuilds are extremely rare. We already have thousands of EVs over 200,000 miles which is way above the 160,000 mileage average at which an ICE car gets scrapped. Great video!
Yep - many of the EV myths and anti-EV claims are already falling away.
Many people are just adverse to change and can’t, or fail, to think differently
Biased comment.
92 Accord. 340k. Finally blew a main seal sitting in Michigan winter without being run. Blew seal on way home. First repair. Sold
00 Rav4 315k. Timing belt and alternator. Still Own.
10 Rx350 182k Oil cooler line replaced. Still own.
Minimal maintenance. Sometimes going 70k miles without oil change.
This is intellectually dishonest
hard to tell through time. .ice vehicles can drive for several decades after being built. EV might be similar but we are not able to compare that yet. And a lot of us just the cars running time with miles driven, but they are not always a measure of the cars use..
do they though? first of all you can't sell them so that's a major loss of investment.. most people sell their ICE cars long before they are useless. Secondly aged EVs mileage isn't enough for any kind of trip. Any ICE car can drive you whatever you want to go with zero anxiety. Thirdly, as this video clearly shows, EVs need servicing as well so there goes a major argument in favor of EVs. Most ICE cars don't need engine/gearbox rebuilds for many many years so the servicing costs might be similar, slightly higher but they balance out with the added cost of an EV purchase. The only way is hybrid for me.
Altelium is proud to have supplied the Battery test report for this Tesla. We can also provide extended EV battery warranties subject to the results of a battery test on any EV (not just Teslas). Speak to Cleevely EV to find out more.
Thanks to Cleevely and Autotrader for promoting our report! We are a small UK start up looking to provide EV certification and EV battery/drivetrain warranties. Cleevely are able to test non-Teslas for us through our OBD devices.
Cheers Rory and the team
My Tesla Model S 85 has 405.000km and is still running like a charm and the funny thing is that I have a supercharger 5km away from home so in the last 5 years I have ALWAYS charged on the supercharger (for free !) and the battery is just fine with about 350km range. I made some repairs at around 250.000km but nothing major.
I don't get why a supercharger is a funny thing ? Is that silly humour or what ?
@@chrisbarron5861 because fast charging is supposed to wear out battery quicker. So its kinda 'funny' ie unexpected, that its lasted 405k kilometres 😆
@@thedidhedied7975 @@thedidhedied7975 is that it 'lasted' or has it lasted *and* lost no range whatsoever.
It might 'last' for 4 milion miles if you ask no more than 50 miles range of it, supercharging every time
@@chrisbarron5861 people tell you not to use them and they will ‘destroy’ the battery, people say all kinds of things anti EV
@@pj4433 I built an EV and its battery of 800 cells, so I know higher charge currents can reduce battery life.
Some manufacturers even warn that it can happen, are you saying manufacturers are wrong ?
Tesla's battery management tech is second to none. This was a really interesting video to watch and dispel the nonsense ignoramuses say about EVs.
And they have just improved the 4680 cell.
Great to see Matt and Altelium covered here. Real stalwarts for the aftermarket EV industry.
They offer an aftermarket battery warranty through Altelium, backed by that health check. It's a product for the present and the future.😊
The battery health checks and the warranties are for both Teslas and other EVs. Thanks for the name check @GreenEnergyGuyd
Im still running my 2014 Model S P85 (RWD) so now 10 years later 150,000 miles. I engineered 44 years around the world for big auto including electric vehicles and the Model S stood out as a beast of an machine whos fundamental engineering architecture was 99% right from day 1. Yes there are a few design faults, door handles fail (Tesla does a V2.5 hardware / software upgrade and have designed out the fails) The rear drive motor cooling seal may leak and cause damage (keep an eye on the coolant level), and /or have a rotor coolant delete kit fitted, the UK is not hot enough to justify the risk of the coolant fail. The RWD cars are the finest drive but hammer the rear suspension bushes trying to put near 500HP through 2 wheels on a 2.5 ton high torque car (cheap pairs of links to be had from Ebay or Cleaveley I just replace my own to keep the handling sharp). Over all Tesla did a fantastic job of the S, originals are still going strong (and free Supercharging for life helps), still Tesla supported well and with a growing number of third party services such as Cleavley means these cars will be around a long time yet.
What coolant seal are you refering to my man? I just changed the engine oil. Are there any more liquids needs changing in the engine?
@@bilboriches7216 don't worry about it. Engine oil on Tesla engine is the most important thing to look after, so you are good.
@@kamilianos Thnx. I hope so.
I'm a mechanic and I can promise you this car has be well serviced. It also has new covers underneath you can't do them sort of miles and not have damage underneath just look at the rims that tells you what the underneath should look like.
Also maybe it's been in a accident how overly clean and shiny the back and side of this car is makes me think it's been in a accident and had new taillights and a respray could be wrong but it's looks a lot newer than the rest of the car.
Next they had a play with the lower control arms with a pry bar the bushes in the rear of all cars ice or Ev use the exact same rubber bushings or nolathane bushings there were no movement cracks or splits in the bushings meaning there been replaced.
And lastly if you go on Google and ask how much to service a Tesla it says it cost $832 per year so to say it cost nothing is misinformation
As someone who was anti EV , this video is very surprising, has definitely changed my stance on EVs
You should have serviced the car and replaced the worn bushings. The least you could do for the owner after squeezing content out of his car
I'm sure that the car can do 1 mil kilometers without any work. But some refresh wouldn't hurt either.
We got about 660,000 miles out of my Datsun 240Z, but I did put a 280Z engine into it, and a beefier rear end. Bought the car for 3K$, and put about 5K$ of repairs into it. Iron block helps, but the aluminum heads do crack after about 300K miles, so need replacement, easily done. It was a California car, so no rust. Finally gave it away to Goodwill, and they sold it for 700$ to a new owner. Best purchase ever.
Well done, Rory for the first time ever you’ve actually been quite sensible and even complimentary about an EV without resorting to Clickbait or sensationalism.
@@davidkramrisch Rory’s done loads of positive EV content.
I'm not sure what you've been watching but if I had to name someone if the mainstream/social media space that has a positive opinion Rory would be the first person who comes to mind
Very confused lol. Clearly a lot of people don't watch this normally. He's been very positive about EVs while still feeling very genuine about the problems. Quite appreciate all of his car reviews
You didn't see the video thumbnail and title which both had the words "dead battery" in them? Pretty clickbait.
@@insanityideas yes clickbait because it pays the bills but he has a positive opinion on ev always.
Fantastic show on the Tesla, so far. Looking forward to the rest of your tests. 😊
Clevely are the REAL DEAL, good choice to go to them. Impressive that this early car still has 75% of capacity remaining, when 99.99% of ICE cars would have gone to scrap already.
Strange, the average car age in the UK is older than this car. Which means "ICE" cars perform a lot better than the uneducated think.
But the other comments make me think that this is quite common and to be expected.
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Awesome report. Bookmarking this video for all the times I need to refute the "you have to replace the battery" myth.
Love this series
NZ has an amazing car culture from some of the rarest vintage cars to some extremely high end ones with endless petrolheads in between that some countries can only envy. Hopefully you can represent this amazing collection globally the way it deserves to be. Best of luck!!
Well done Tesla, very good information for those who don't believe in Tesla.
It's good to see another old Tesla still going.
Mine has only done 142K, but at 10 years old it is still pretty quick by todays standards (3.8 second 0-60mph and a 11.9 second quarter mile).
66KWH usable, from the original 81KWH ( plus the 4KWH reserved for "anti-brick"), which if I drive it easy will still see around 200 miles from a charge.
I have free supercharging for life, so this has paid for itself over the time I have had it.
No plans to ever sell it, as I'm just about to go full race spec (stripped, cage, buckets, harnesses, etc).
The amount of misinformation and sheer ignorance I see from anti-EV folks on social media is mind boggling. I actually referenced this car in a post citing the 430,000 "miles" and the guy called me ignorant because he was from the UK and maybe since I'm an American I didn't understand the difference between kilometers and miles...and he said 'Because there's no way a junk EV can do 430k miles' 😂🤣
I actually had to post the original video interview. And of course...just like that he tucked tail and changed the subject and made all sorts of excuses and lame comments and false claims about how EVs are just not viable...!!!
Yep, its both hilarious and sad how people fall for the anti-EV propoganda, while thinking only 'sheep' buy EVs.
Almost as bad as the sheep who believe the propaganda about how great these things are. You know back when Hyundai were still using the theta 1 engines, some of those cars crossed the 1 million mile mark with the original engine and Trans, only requiring regular maintenence and wear items. So as you go keyboard warrior about this car, this is the exception, not the rule.
This is one off a very few Evs that make it This far...
@@shizz7le489 There are lots of Model S with high mileage.
Oh I’ve heard it all too, even believed some of it before I got one. Only got it because it was cheap company car. I won’t buy an ICE car again
1. How much to fix the leaking drive unit?
2. Has the original battery been repaired or overhauled? At what cost?
3. Have the original drive units been overhauled? At what cost?
460,000 miles and battery is 72% efficent thats amazing
Li-cycle is the main battery recycling company in the U.S.A. and in Canada. It's only going to get better. Remember it's not just for cars, it's all the battery's in your Amazon products and your phones and more. Cars will be the main source in 5 year. So I'm investing in the stock now.
Keep in mind that the new ones improved drastically in quality. We recently switched from a 2019 Model 3 to a 2023 and it's like an entirely different car. The improvement in quality is astonishing.
Their goal of a million mile car seems quite plausible.
Doesn't necessarily mean batteries will get better still. The chase for margin means the bean counters will specify batteries that are sufficient.
@@OggyGTA There is obvious financial incentive to improve battery tech in all metrics, and the trend is clear. Batteries are improving rapidly and show no signs of stopping
The current gen mazda 3's i think have pretty high quality inside and out
Fo the money you saved with not servicing the car you could pay all the advised repair costs, with an ICE car of a similar category you would have had much higher cost overall to run it, if it would reach such a high mileage at all without major costly repairs (new engine for example)..
The battery in that car has been "replaced" 4 or 5 time by Tesla and later the insurance :)
Not to mention the motors, the iPad, suspension, ..,.
Any evidence for that statement? The video says ( 0:48 ) that it has original battery and original motors.
I wish yall put this out just a little while ago. I just found the owner of this car in a certain forum. I’m so happy I purchased my 2016 model s 90d, I would like to do a opposite comparison for my car is now eight years old about to be out of warranty and I purchased it with only 41,000 miles on it. I currently currently have 42,500 miles on it in the span of about one month., I have not done test, but I absolutely could and I’d love to share my experience with people any interest in partnering Autotrader!
Pretty good !
considering most of new combustion engine cars wouldn't even get to 430k miles I am truly impressed with Tesla. I was looking into getting model 3 recently as prices have come down but insurance costs (apparently due to high repair bills) are stupidly high so no Tesla for me. for comparison my 71 reg 330e costs me £65 per month in insurance, model 3 was £200 per month....
Tesla needs to work on repair prices in order to get the ownership costs down - especially for taxi owners!
An ICE car is ruined after way less then 430.000 miles. And what do you have here? Some minor repairs. All the expensive components are just fine. And that's old Tech by this point. LFP will fare even better.
You mean like Irv Gordon's 3.2 million mile petrol engined Volvo? 🙂
@@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gd Which to my certain knowledge still has it's original spark plugs, filters, oil, clutch, exhaust. Those petrol cars go on forever and never need anything doing to them. People don't understand this - Petrol cars have never seen the inside of a garage.
@@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gdnot quite the same comparison, according to an article I just found about his P1800 it went through 3,316 quarts (3,769 litres) of oil
829 oil filters
464 spark plugs
156 tires
29 sets of brake pads
29 fan belts
4 sets of shock absorbers
3 water pumps
3 generators
It had also had its engine rebuilt at some point.
@@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gd Exceptions don't disprove a rule. Please ask your elementary school for a refund.
LPF has it's own issue with not supplying power as fast and weight. Hopefully solid state will be a big leap. Toyota says they can charge to full in 10minutes on their test SS packs.
One for all Future EV buyers..... whether it be New or Used. Get yourself into the seat of one and feel the _POWER_
_88 mph_ will take you 'Back'
Tesla does not say "there is no service requirement". The manual has a service schedule for the car.
This is the EV for car guys. Just bought one and very impressed. Showed to another fellow car mate and he was shocked too. Find an SC01 car and you have gold
That’s phenomenal, I’ve owners Toyotas and Hondas. Great cars, after 150k an axle bearing or head gasket would always have to be repaired. Not counting quarterly oil changes. The fact this car required almost zero maintenance after 430k miles is insane with only
28% battery degradation. The highest I’ve personally owned a car was 225k miles on a Toyota 4 runner, axle bearing and head gasket went out around 200k.
I've had 3 Toyota's and 2 Honda's to well above £150k and they have never required such work at 150k miles. And certainly not quarterly oil changes.
I've owned multiple Hondas, none have required head gaskets or bearings at such a low mileage of 150k
@@mickl8212 That's awesome!
Head gaskets often suffer if the car overheats from a water pump or other cooling system failure
@@tobyw9573 absolutely, my dad and I replaced 3 over our lifetime with Toyotas and Hondas. Great cars, I love the 4 runner for 4x4!
I own an ID3 2 years in and 40k miles its not missed a beat ...£4.50 to fully charge and get 220 miles on the motorways...amazing purchase
Good video. I would like to see a health check at that mileage in a petrol car and the list of parts including oil and filters. Plus how many discs and pads it’s gone though not to mention the exhaust
Some places catalytic converter theft is a problem!
Great stuff ❤ This video packs abundantly of super relevant info, proving that modern EVs aren't an expensive/worthless pile of metal after a few years ⚡
haven't watched it yet but love this series!!
Not usually a fan of EVs but I must say I’m very impressed at how well the Tesla has done in getting to 400000 miles plus without any major problems
But, but …. the EV doubters tell us batteries only last 3 years 🤷🏼♂️🤔🤣
They'll probably link ya to an article from 2012 too
I'll contact the Daily Fail immediately
There's a 150,000 mile warranty on model S cars@@AudiTTQuattro2003
@@RichardBrooklyn I really don't think the Daily Mail are interested in facts, facts get in the way of a good story, especially stories that keep their readers in a permanent state of rage.
Fuel tanks don't require replacement and they don't cost 40k. Enjoy your toy don't force it on me
Great video!!!💯 Taking my 106k Tesla Model 3 long range to Cleevely this week for a service. They have a mobile service too 😉⚡️👍
Well done, Tesla. Value for money if you ask me.
90K+ euros for one isn't really value for money
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Why are you everywhere??
@@drmonstervibes Yes especially when compared to any other German marque that does 0-60 in four seconds it four wheel drive and an opulent well appointed executive express. I mean BMW 7 series of the day were only nine quid to buy brand new (plus £300 for the radio that was an option).
Dunno, I'd go for so many other EV's now over Tesla tbh, the quality is still super cheap/shoddy for the price vs competitors
@@d.b.cooper1 ah not that tired old trope. So how long did you own your shoddy Tesla before you realised your serious financial mistake?
Wow, that it did that disance on ANY battery is amazing. Thats 709,000 Km in decimal speak! Holy Guacamole. An ICE car rarely does that.
Enjoying this series man
This was on another show , auto Alex , your all passing this car round .
No horn is illegal to drive on the road well done you lot
430 000 miles for a normal user is incredible, but for a taxi driver is actually pretty bad, a proper diesel car (and does not have to be a new one at that) can go over 1 250 000 miles before a full engine rebuild in the hands of a taxi driver! This car lost already around 30% of it's battery performance but it's not only about performance, what that means is it will now cost 30% more money to drive the same miles compared to the same car with a new battery, which is a pretty steep price increase for running costs.
Also on a final note, that battery is right now a ticking time bomb without a timer... it can simply stop working any day now as batteries to not actually degrade over time on a linear basis.
If this is from an exceptionally high mileage car that has never had a service what would an average mileage car that has been serviced be like compared to it's ICE equivalent, same age & mileage, how do the running costs compare.
400,000 miles, 3.5 miles per kWh. 7p a kWh is £8000 in fuel.
400,000 40mpg at £1.40 a litre would have been £63,000 in petrol.
@@Lewis_Standing Plus oil changes & filters.
@@Lewis_StandingSo, even IF you have to get a replacement battery at some time, it's still a lot cheaper overall.
@@Lewis_Standing I believe this car is one of the early ones that came with free Supercharging for life. So, fuel cost is close to 0.
i have 2017 tesla model s, i just change the AC compressor, and i noticed recovering 10-15% of my lost range.
My tesla is on 107k now and runs like new . Few small repairs overall , but peanuts compare what she saved me on petrol overall .
Wow. This was I super good condition. 400 000 miles is a lot to any car. Yes, other cars can do it as well but how much money you have to spend on maintenance? A lot, even if there are no breakages
I was watching some Norwegian mechanic vids about the model S and the general consensus is it's a bit problematic with age and the Model 3 / Y are a vast improvement.
I love that hte person acknowledges that there is actually oil in a Tesla.. something we hear everyday "No maintaince"
33k in and two years on an Ioniq 5: zero noticeable degradation. Its "as new", range wise.
And remember, most people wouldn't hit 33k in 4 years. I do a LOT of long distance driving in my work.
If that's considered high where you live, do car leases still have a 10,000 or 12,000 mile per year allowance or how's that work?
Doesn't sound to me like you're driving too much. I have a model Y and do this in one year. But I get your point.
@@valuemastery Horses for courses 😅 but yeah, the average mileage for a car is about 7.5k a year so we're both doing way over the average
@@timaustin2000 Yes, compared to the average driver you're driving a lot. Still I have a hard time imagining how the average driver manages to drive that little. Maybe they don't leave the house that often. Or still have their horse for daily use 😀
@@valuemasteryPresumably he lives in the UK, where things are closer together. And people can walk to the shops, pub, restaurants etc rather than driving 20 miles through suburbia to buy a jug of milk.
For a car that has done 430,000 miles, it still looks to be in fair to good condition. Compared to cars from the 70s and 80s, with around 150,000 miles on the clock it is great.
Folks will still see this then jump on Twitter and say EV batteries need swapping after 20k miles 🤣
Any link for that because that's a troll bull comment.. Do a battery health test then you know the facts, battery replacement cost is a fortune. It's age and high speed charging that ruins the batteries. In Ireland EVs are so hard sold and hazards for fires
If it's a 2016 model it's still quite early considering model S came out in 2012. They had a lot of progress on battery management software, better heating/cooling modes and better battery cells themselves after that. Which make the more recent ones degrade even slower, it'd still be over 80-85% if it was a 2018-2020 model (techwise).
Another negative EV narrative debunked. Awesome job! It doesn’t seem biased in any way and even though it’s only 1 Tesla in the spotlights here, there’s enough evidence out there (raw data) from many other Tesla owners that have similar results.
True but facts don’t matter to the puppets of big oil. They regurgitate whatever lies the polluters want them to spread.
Great video. I just wanted to point out that is not the same a 70% left capacity of a 90KWh battery (Model S) than from a 60KWh battery pack, like model 3 basic unit. For the later, it means that from an estimated range of 260miles would drop to 182 aprox. It’s not bad, but it’s a must to say compared to model S shown in the video. Again, great video and hope to see more
I worry that this could mislead potential purchasers of EVs. I have a 2015 Model S that has done only 42k miles but I have to top up twice for a return trip London to Birmingham. I’m also having to pay through the nose for things like when my passenger air bag light wouldn’t turn off so Tesla have advised me that the only fix is to replace the entire passenger seat at a cost of over £3k. A recent LTE upgrade to try to get the internet to work (still not perfect) also cost me a lot…..I wouldn’t mind paying if the service was at least prompt and efficient but every time I send the car in there’s something new they need which adds time to getting the car back. But going back to the main point, my battery has degraded even after just 42k miles so worry that this may not be a fair representation.
You can post everything on the internet, we cannot verify if it is true. Just too many anti Tesla trolls out there.
Where is the performance testing mentioned at the beginning? Battery internal resistance is important, to see voltage drop under hard acceleration. 353K miles on my MY2013 Chevy Volt, about 75% of original capacity the battery computer reports. Internal resistance is quite high but I keep it about 60% true SOC charged to keep performance. Edit: Oh! Episodes 2 and 3 has the goods!
That’s impressive really impressive
There's always a guy who has smoked 80 a day and hasn't been ill.
If I drive 150miles and run out of fuel I want a spare in the boot to get me to the nearest filling station and then be on my way in 5 minutes.
My car has 225,000 MILES on the clock and starts every time - it is a BMW so I do worry about it, but at least BMW sell parts for old cars and anyone can fix them.
Fascinating and very clear video. Seems like if Tesla were interested in making a 'longlife' Model S they'd concentrate on the car parts - those lights, wipers, horn, suspension linkages, just to improve robustness/corrosion resistance.
They have already improved those parts on newer vehicles.
Really interesting. Great video. Definitely give some encouragement to the used EV market. But so many questions.
Auto trader would do well to explore and expand this subject.
Tesla is not every EV, and their battery management/motors are industry leading.
I have previously not considered EV.
I recently considered a 3yr old EV and keeping for 3years (still under manufacturer warranty). Didn’t proceed yet as it’s too risky for us.
The problem in UK is (and it overkills all these positivities) - insurance prices are barking mad on these cars! Ripoff insurance companies!
£575/year for me, hardly excessive.
It depends but overall, all vehicle insurance cost has risen dramatically in 2024 - averaging 38%. Other executive expresses are far more costly - a new Range Rover, you cannot even get quotes for. JLR have had to organise their own insurance arm.
Gone up everywhere post covid,even in usa they're insane, also tories changed rules meaning they have to offer same price to current and new customers, meaning those supermarket comparison offers for switching don't exist anymore like before
@@JoeMcMorrow-k7e MFG owned insurance with a service contract could be an answer.
@@d.b.cooper1 Tories have been on a march away from conservatism! Nigel for PM!
Sounds perfect. If these batteries are nothing to worry about the manufactures will surly give super long warranties on them to back up the claims.
"The battery's got to be toast, surely."
The battery still has some life left in it, and quit calling me Shirley.
The horn doesn't work the wiper catches on the bonnet and the play on the wheel would fail an MOT at my local garage. Its a taxi for goodness sake how has it flown under the MOT radar?
@@madmcadder4536 As an American from Kansas, I have no idea how these issues got past the British MOT, it seems like this car should fail a New York State inspection on the horn thing alone. We don't have state vehicle inspections in my state and I've seen a lot worse than this Tesla on the road.
@@madmcadder4536 How many times are you going go repeat this? He should get these fixed of course, but at 430,000 high abuse miles, I'm surprised there's not more wrong.
@@madmcadder4536sounds like some seriously small problems for a car with 430k , I mean it should be fixed but it's hardly an argument against the cars reliability, comparing it with any other cars it seems quite incredible
Whats your Vector Victor?
Thanks, helps to dispel all the stupid myths that suggest that the battery will only last 2 years,if it doesn't burst into flames first.
I am an EV fan, but not a Tesla fan.
That won't please the Daily Mail readers at all!
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I've never worked on a Tesla, but the US and UK labor prices seem quite high, vs USA, as are the parts. Of course the business owner knows all about his business and TAXES, so he decides how to run things. I wonder how UK charging prices and availability run?
Crazy. Hope my ioniq 5 taxi lasts as long
As a taxi you ride it hard, look into the best way to treat your battery. I think it's a NMC ternary battery and it needs some love:)
also, remember this car use the Tesla super charger to get 100% battery at least 3 times a day and also got charged at home at nights, and the battery is still in great condition for its millage
A bit of boring number crunching. Taking Cleevely's results this Tesla has averaged a capacity loss of 1% for every 15,357 miles. That means the degradation table looks as follows: 10% = 153,571mls; 20% = 307,143mls; 30% = 460,714mls; 40% = 614,286mls; 50% = 767,857mls. Just for giggles I would add that once the car reached one million miles it would be down to 35%.
The mileage at 50% degradation would be 138 miles. And again, these figures are based on a service car that has averaged just under 54,000 miles per year. The average Joe would drive maybe half that distance at most which means the degradation would be less and the results would be even more impressive. And then add to that the lack of regular servicing and this car could be showing as much as 85% battery capacity right now. Some owners who have driven Teslas regular distances in a regular manner and kept up a minimum level of maintenance have reported exactly that after 8 years and more. Again just for giggles I would add that the car would still have 107 miles range after one million miles of driving as a service car. That's still as much range as most brand new "city car" EVs.
Battery degradation isn't linear. It probably lost 10% in the first 20k miles and the rest much more slowly. Unfortunately when the battery does go it'll likely be very quickly again.
@@shannon6876 it's more charge cycles so a bit of both
There are many factors that effect battery degradation such charging patterns, but in general, it is made up of cyclic (mileage) and calendar ageing. this vehicle has done very high cyclic ageing for its age. As the total Tesla car park ages, we will see the average degradation get a bit worse as the data becomes less skewed by high mileage vehicles. An average age vehicle at 430,000 miles (c.40 years old) would probably be nearer 50-60% State of Health which would still be incredible, but not quite as impressive as the ex-taxi, high-mileage Model S.
Worth bearing in mind it is not a "battery" it is a battery pack comprising many thousands of individual cells. this is what gives it longevity when compared to early leafs that had maybe a few dozen pouches. 5,500 cells and you lose 50, thats only 1% range loss. 80 pouches and you lose 1.25% range for every pouch.
I guess this is the ultimate "Told You So", in the automotive world. There was those of us who went with the science, engineering and evidence, and others who bought the FUD story. If you don't own or drive a BEV [forget Hybrids] now, make one your next car purchase. They are so much better it's not even close.