Proof That It All Can Work Perfectly! Porsche Taycan EV Road Trip Blasting Across Germany
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2023
- Kyle is driving a Porsche Taycan Turbo Sport Turismo on a 1,200km blast across Germany and back. In this video he takes a look at the charging infrastructure and finds it to be perfect.
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What an experience! Every single charging working, on the first try, with Plug & Charge, at full power. Still one of the best days in recent memory covering all of that distance thrashing the Taycan in Germany. When the infrastructure can support that car, it’s so so so good. Shows that this is achievable but also how far away we are in America. Thanks for watching!
A Tesla like experience…what every trip should be.
Your so good experience was possible tanks to Porsche Chargings Service, which is available in most countries but not in Poland, neighbor of Germany. No plug&charge, no IONITY in reasonable cost, no charging in dealership (they built the chargers already but they are not used at all), no roaming easy charging with roaming. I guess no easy charging in Poland for Taycan owners coming from other European countries.
I was planning to travel via Germany using my Taycan but would rather stick with ICE thank to polish Porsche subsidiary.
I just hope one day American Chargers are like this 😅😅
That’s what stood out to me as well after watching your NY to Cali trip where you had a bunch of charging issues. So, if Tesla can have great chargers, and Germany/Europe can, why can’t the 3rd party charging networks in America have issueless charging?
Model S Plaid indeed is on sale in Europe. I guess you will see some in Germany already on your trip.
You seem to be the first RUclipsr documenting an e-on charging station that actually works as expected. In Germany we normally call those 'e-off stations' 😅
E-On isn't even responsible for the broken chargers. They just simply buy chargers from companies which can't build chargers. Those ABBs there are always broken, they also have EVBox which are also always down. But those type of chargers are also down on Allego too (they switched to Alpitronic due to that).
And basically in germany it's a monopol now, only Alpitronic chargers on every reliable network. We literally have no other manufacturer for working chargers except Kempower (but that isn't in germany yet).
@@kruemelfelix I totally agree but as you mentioned Allego having switched from shitty Efacec to awesome Alpitronic I would expect e-on to do that as well.
@@BerndHahn EOn doesn't even repair their stations, I doubt they will switch. They simply only want to get the money from the government.
Total EV charger is even worse than EOn. I have never seen a working Total charger (those are ABB or EVBox units always) and the one 5km from me has been built in 2020 and has no working charger sind 2021. Literally two years with no available charger (from 4)
@@kruemelfelix ABB -> Always Be Broken. Jokes aside, we need kempower everywhere
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Got to love Kyle, chugging along at 135kph with a 1% predicted soc
Out of spec motoring style!
No problem when you drive Porsche Taycan. I have one and the predicted SOC is on spot every time.
Hi, Thomas from Norway here.
Car: Volvo XC40 P8
I charged at same charge point ( The first stop you hadd 14:00 ), when had my euro road trip last summer. Cool to see that on RUclips :)
From a bit north of Trondheim to Genova Italy, and back again.
From 52:50 to the next charging stop was so satisfying with the music and the shots! Absolutely masterclass work from you Kyle. 👏🏼 Greetings From Dordrecht in The Netherlands!
Couldn't agree more. Didn't Kyle once say he would come to the Netherlands? I read that we have the most chargers in all of Europe. (I'm guessing most are level 2)
@@ZenithMusicNet I don’t know if Kyle would visit The Netherlands. The Netherlands has a very dense charging infrastructure with mainly AC chargers. DC chargers is more difficult to install in many places because of the powergrid. 30% of our country is maxed out. If they want to install a DC charger in places like these, they need to buy a big buffer battery to generate the high speeds. The biggest AC charging place I know is Volvo / Polestar in Beesd. They have a couple hundred 11kw chargers and 2 DC cables with 300kw I believe. This is all made futureproof for receiving new cars and making them delivery ready.
@@Floridos Plenty of Tesla locations with many many 250 kW chargers. For example V3 (250 kW) in Maastricht (24x), Apeldoorn (20x) and Meerkerk (24x). Also some big V2 (150 kW) locations in Breukelen (28x) and Badhoevedorp (32x). I’m not familiar with Ionity, Shell or Fastned in the Netherlands as I never use those.
It's truly impressive how the chargers are maintained and work.
Sadly it’s not impressive. It’s quite easy. Which is why so many different brands in Europe are able to do it flawlessly. It’s simply sad that VW has sabotaged EV charging in the US. Thank goodness for Tesla though.
@@ultrastoat3298 All the Ionity stations are from VW too. I mean Kyle was pretty lucky to not see a broken one, Ionity has many broken chargers. Also they are very often overcrowded due to cheap prices. However in Europe there are so many other charging providers like EnBW, Aral Pulse and co. which simply have reliable and working hardware from Alpitronic. In the US you have a hardware problem, if you would choose Alpitronic chargers they would also simply work, but rather you choose all the hardware we don't want. Allego as network here tried EVBox and ABB chargers which were broken all the time, they eventually now replaced them with Alpitronic too. In the US you now get those chargers from ABB and EVBox which we don't want and there's your issue.
The main issue seems to be the charging hardware and other than Tesla none of them really have their own hardware. In Europe most of the operators chose reliable hardware. Electrify America didn't choose the right hardware years ago and is now struggling with that.
@@tomschmidt7565 EA could have chosen reliable hardware before choosing the non-tested stuff again last year. They literally replaced many chargers without even testing the new ones first.
EA simply is too dumb to manage a charging network.
@@kruemelfelixthey are one of the most expensive brands out there. I try to dodge them as much as I can. Thank God there are so many other options out there
Glad you had a great time in Germany 🇩🇪 Best greetings from Karlsruhe and keep up the great content 😎👍⚡️
As a German living in Denmark, this was a great video!
Hey Kyle, please don’t think I’m scolding you. When you are charging near parked trucks at night, can you not talk loudly outside. Those drivers are exhausted and wanting their sleep. It’s maddening, when you are trying to get your sleep break in to have people talking outside the cab. Sorry, buddy. It’s just courtesy. Thanks for the great road trip videos. Love them.
Oh shut up mr snowflake
When the measurements are metric 😍😌
Metric is the best metric. 😇
Thank you for sharing your road trip from my home, Kyle :) great job
As always great content Kyle. Being from Germany and a 2021 Taycan Cross Turismo owner in the US with just over 20,000 miles on it, I especially enjoy your Taycan content. Always great to compare notes and learn from your experiences. Thank you for all your EV information and enthusiasm. Interesting to see how much better the road trip charging in Germany seems to work vs. the Electrify America experiences over here. Also realizing I must not drive my Taycan hard enough since I have never seen the turtle mode displayed… now I need to rent one next time I go to Germany.
I fell a sleep with this whole video playin in my ear and had a vivid dream I was in this car riding along asking Kyle a bunch of questions about Taycans during the whole road trip 😄. Crazy thing is I hadn't had a dream I could actually remember in at least a whole year. 😅
What an epic video, loved every minute of it Kyle! I’d love to heart how you’ve spec’ed your GTS ST, what options did you go for…we need nerd 9000 level please.😊
Really great video man! I feel like after watching this that driving my Taycan in the US is like the square peg and round hole. So very different bc our infrastructure is just so far behind what they have. That, and not being able to rip it on stretches of the highway (legally anyway). And the trip planner is not all that good out here as it is over there. It can get really goofy sometimes. I have got to get out to Germany sometime soon and try some driving out there. Looks beautiful. Thanks for the video!
Great seeing this road trip. One comment at 56:30 is that changing battery friendly fast charging does not seem to have a fact once the charging session has started. I have tested this a couple times with my 4S. You need to re-initiate the session after changing the setting.
Spent roughly 5 years in Germany and love the trips on the Autobahn. Brought back some good memories. Also think this 100% should be how we build out our charging network
"Kein Wasser, leichtes Eis, keine Einschlüsse" 😀
This was an awesome video. Thanks. It might also help due to the fact this is my favorite car.
efficiency is certainly important If you can have a car that is not highly efficient, it will also be more expensive to travel by car. especially if you charge at charging stations that are expensive. If you have a highly efficient car, then you also saved charging time
HEAT PUMP difference? Re: ICE Efficiency. Per Corey Stubin, Munro pres, ICE loses 60% energy to heat & vibration that, in turn, are the greatest causes of vehicular wear & tear. Why (brainwashed by petro-propaganda?) would you NOT prefer transportation without those issues with hundreds fewer moving parts & almost ZERO maintenance requirements, plus no emissions from power sources that are >90% recyclable, AFTER being repurposed over a decade in stationary energy storage? Re: Non-NACS EVs, Left Stranded. Aka “Born Brain Dead” (intentionally to deter EV adoption?) VW Penitence CCS vs Tesla’s “Always Up, Everywhere” NACS. Re: Effectiveness. “The best part is no part.” -Guess Who?
Typically you pay a fixed price one every charger. There aren't cheaper or more expensive stations, no one uses the app from the provider anyways. I know in the US you don't have roaming and you need a app for every provider, but that's not the case in Europe. Here you get one app like "EinfachStromLaden" from Maingau and that one will start basically every charger you want at the same price, only differentiating between AC and DC.
However you are definitely right, I wouldn't want to drive an Kia EV6 or Ioniq 5 or Audi eTron compared to a Model 3 or Model Y jsut because they are soooo much more power hungry without offering more space. Way more expensive for charging on long runs.
Some of the best Taycan and EV coverage and functionality reviews of charging. I do def want to hear about the innodrive, lane keep and cruise controls in depth. Thx!
Not weird how Germany (home of VAG), have a lot of great chargers! Great to see the infrastructure though. Also shows how far behind the UK is, as well as the US. Kyle not going for efficiency on this trip! 😂
Another interesting video Kyle, thanks. Can't believe how many times you go without sleep on these trips!
We love road tripping in our Taycan wagon. EA in the PNW has been working with no issue and always impressed with how quickly it charges at home and on the road.
Looks like fun! I bet a lot of families will want vw e up style cars here in 5 years. Once they get their first ev they will want a second one, and realize they don't need tons of range for the 2nd and want something cheap but fun and nice.
Awesome! Love your Europe Taycan road trips. Greetings from Sweden!
A design masterpiece.
Adrenalin rising just looking @ it 🇰🇪.
would be great to see you try a roadtrip in the UK at some point see if our infrastucture can meet your standards
Yes please
Better yet. Road trip from Germany to the UK. That’s like Kyle road tripping from Colorado to SF/LA
@@RyderNight99 yeah that would be good have done that a few times in a diesel car would be interesting how it would compare in an EV
Yeah our infrastructure is terrible! Would love to see the comparison done in the UK with same car! ✌️
spoiler: it cant.
this is the first video of you i have seen and I am very suprised to see my neighborhood haha. Great place to live here, especially the summers
We had our accommodation in Hilden when we were at Messe Düsseldorf back in 2006 or 2007 🙂
This seems to be a great video again ;-)
Awesome trip video btw! And now, that the Plaid is available in Germany you need to come back and rip it. 💪 And host a meet and greet with your local followers at bk world or Zusmarshausen!
man, you have some really awesome soundtracks in every video. The car is awesome. If i could afford, I definitely have this model on top of the list.
The Charging Infrastructure in germany becomes better and better. I even did not serious routplaning any more. It is not nessesary on a trip on the Autobahn anymore. Perhaps not everywhere but allmost erverywhere,
I am so jealous that you have great charging. In Arkansas and Oklahoma charging is horrible. I also remember like 3 years in Germany in A 911. Wonderful. I actually don't mind the slower charging mode. It stays up there until 90%.
Kyle good point on putting the car in battery preservation mode when charging, once I get the 2023 Ionic DC charging fixed, I'll be using exclusively 150KW chargers which is about 2C charging, also to preserve the battery pack, really what is 7 minutes per stop more time to get munchies bathroom break!
Another great video! You do know how to make 'em 🙂
Beautiful car.
It is Electrify America/Canada. They install inferior hardware that requires more maintenance and they dont maintain them either.
Love your videos! The fact is that you rarely (if ever) talk about the cost of your frequent “fill ups.” I’m sure that all of the infrastructure in Deutschland comes at a substantial cost. Would be informative to get a general idea.
Really interesting video with my favourite EV! Thank you
Germany is so beautiful thanks for this awesome roadtrip
Poor Kyle, ripping around Germany in a Porsche!! The things that he goes through for his viewers. Way to take one for the team Kyle. :) Great video!!
Thanks Kyle! This was super informative. Been driving Tesla since 2015 and now waiting for my Tacan ST GTS. Going to follow your tips on driving hard and charging fast 🎉 (Germany 😅)
Nice video. I cruise on the autobahn at well over 120mph and still average over 400 miles to a tank on my
330i. Would like to see a Taycan vs gas / petrol Panamera alongside on the same days to see door-to-door differences in timings. I quite often do 300/400 miles per day on a road trip.
I love your videos.Thank you 😊
I love the electric motor sounds as you took off from that first charging stop. I know one of the biggest complaints amongst enthusiasts moving to BEV is the loss of the “soul” of the car. That push-rod V8 roar, flat plane cranks screaming, the flat 4/6 burble from Porsche and Subaru, JDM inline 6, etc. Personally, I feel like more car companies should lean into the EV motor noise more, especially for performance cars and off-road oriented SUV’s and Trucks.
I have an air cooled flat 6 and taycan - both have soul and super fun to drive! The acceleration of an EV is just insane, no waiting, just instant go go go go!
Hi Kyle, great video, congratulations. I am curious about the performance after DC fast charging. Can still have the full performance or you easily hit the thermal derating. Thanks!
Love the car! Amazing, sporty, luxurious and efficient.
What a car man. Wish VW added this same charging planner on ID.4 owners but understand it’s their premium service and vehicle.
oh hell yeah, grew up in the Lake Constance area and ilve in Cologne now, so this is all my hood ;-)
Amazing video. Hopefully we can get these seamless dc fast charging in US someday.
This video is great!! It encourage me to buy myself Sport Turismo GTS
Excellent video. My wife recently did an 800-mile round trip to Scotland in her Taycan GTS. She thoroughly enjoyed driving the car, BUT, the UK's charging infrastructure was a major cause of frustration and irritation. Firstly, some of charging stations are not to easy to find - the postcode provided by the owner / operator is often some distance from the charger. On two occasions, I had to use BlackVue's cloud web viewer to access the car's dash cam and guide her to the station by phone. Secondly, 50% of the chargers she tried were broken. Thirdly, some of the charger's screens faced the sun and were incredibly hard to read. Forthly, not one of the charging stations, including Ionity, delivered anywhere near their claimed kW. Fifthly, and far worse, the charging stations at our motorway services were almost as filthy as the services themselves. The German stations shown in your video put the UK to shame. Fortunately, 95% of my wife's driving is local, so she home-charges.
I love the e-up as well. I just wish it charged a bit faster. I once was charging at 23kw on a 300kw charger and then a tesla with cold battery plugged in and did 70. Literally 3 times the speed...☹️
I think u adjusted to the electronic music in germany too :)
I was stationed at Camp Hohenfels, Germany back in the 1990's.
It has the name but my Kia EV6 pulls 230kw and is 1/3rd of the price as the Porsche.
What’s your average speed on a trip like this if you count charging time in??
I think my gasoline powered VW UP average 120 km/h.
This car seems so much better than any Tesla.
Meanwhile, in the U.S./Canada…
Unfortunately in North America at the moment - January 2023 for long trips without hassle there are two choices: Tesla or gasoline. In the second case for frugality I prefer PHEV or HEV. Obviously a gasoline car is ok if road trips are done just occasionally.
@@nevco8774 yea. Its kinda unfortunate that the EU infrastructure is way better
Because Americans are so closed minded and don’t like change. They refuse to give up their gas powered polluter and hate on anyone with different views from their own
@@Hook1fred They’re not all bad, but the vocal minorities are definitely a thing.
@@Hook1fred I do not think only politics is involved at the moment in poor situation with CCS EV fast chargers in the USA. It is rather an economical chicken and eggs issue: there are not enough CCS based EVs for serious investments in infrastructure to occur and consequently people do not adopt CCS cars en masse to warrant appearance of such investments. People are used to huge gas guzzling behemoths not available as EVs as well. In Europe and China there were imposed some regulations and incentives to break chicken and egg situation. In the USA as always everything is left to “free” market which is incentivized to do business as usual with gasoline cars. Plus in the North America the distances driven especially on road trips are cartoonishly long making hard for EV technology and infrastructure to catch up. Lastly in North America the temperature variations throughout the year are extreme hurting EV range and charging. Some areas are just remote in North America while Western Europe has virtually no remote areas. All that written down there no excuse for subpar infrastructure in the USA.
I fell a sleep with this whole video playin in my ear and had a vivid dream I was in this car riding along asking a bunch of questions about Taycans 😄
How is it that Porsche software works so well, and VW branded vehicles have such problems? VW Inc. clearly has the ability to make it work!?
(Kyle!!! No chips!! 🙂🙂)
Been watching all OOSR.
It's always a frustrating mess when u charge state side
Germans 🇩🇪 make it look soooo easy.
🇰🇪 👍
Very impressed.
Whats that flag?
Well, except for software. ID4 is exhibit one.
@@Knnnkncht Kenya
Greetings from Germany! When you are in the vacinity of the Ruhrgebiet hit me up! I'm sitting right in the middle in Essen, old Caol mining city.
I already drive a Renault Zoe. Nice little electric commuter car for me! Only does 22kW AC but i can charge at Work no problem :D
16 - 47% in 6 minutes is just insane. That is one glorious charge rate.
I simply love that Porsche continues to use Turbo in their naming configuration.
"Let's not hit it too quickly"
*hit's 260 anyways* 🤣
Also very impressive experience. I live in France, and I'll soon get my Ioniq 6, that also supports 350 kW/800V and plug and charge. I can't wait to test this all out.
Your videos do reassure me a bit since I will occasionnally make 1200 km roadtrips between the center of France and Holland, and I will need those Ionity chargers quite a bit.
France has many Ionity stations too, but those I have seen aren't nearly as big.
One question : how do you pay on the different networks ? Do you have a different card/badge for each brand? Can you pay directly with creditcard ?
I have a PHEV now, so I know how it works in France (some cards/badges can be used on almost any network), but I'm not sure for other countries.
Kyle uses Plugsurfing for paying on other networks, works nearly in whole Europe in every network.
I'd rather use Maingau, EnBW or Elli as they are cheaper but also work everywhere.
finally got me a Taycan loaner this weekend (RWD, big battery, Air S'pension with Rear Steer, riding on the 21" wheel option) parked in driveway now but I've been out "ripping it" (KC speak) all day. nice car, heavy AF from a Motorsports/Racing perspective, but nice. 20:39 - wait so if i charge in Sport+ it gives a different charging/cooling profile...? interesting, about to head over to the new EVGO in a few minutes. ambient temps here are in the 40's so the car's likely not that hot, but I'll see if I notice any benefits.
Great video. That massive charging station was awesome. Onething though, rotors don't warp on a unless they get hot enough to actually be able to change their form. They get friction variation due to lateral runout. If a rotor was truly warped you would get a vibration all the time. If it only happens when braking then it's due to the friction variation.
Nice vid! You say there’s nothing else other than maybe a Plaid, but what about an ETron GT?
Good to see working Tritium 350kW chargers.. both in the normal format and the special Ionity format.
Yeah, those Tritium ones on Ionity break often too. Ionity simply repairs them very frequently and fast. ;)
when you do the route planning please zoom in so that we can see what you are doing but also so that we can see the software UI and how it is actually working
Does this update not bring 2019 Taycans up to the current software standard? He only mentioned 2020 and 2021 models. I know it might not add range but having android auto would be nice.
Hey Kyle, I've got a Tesla Model y performance at the moment, but really leaning heavily on getting a taycan Turbo S. It seems like you had a lot of good things to say about the taycan across all your videos. However this video seems interesting with all the overheating issues, I live in Phoenix where we spend 1 month out of the year like above 110, my commute isn't too far like 35 miles or so. You still recommend the taycan in hotter climates? I just really would love a Turbo S, all the sport and all the luxury, compared to my model y performance.
AFAIK plaid is on sale in Europe. I was given an opportunity to buy one at a dealer I was picking up my Model 3. Didn't take it because it's way outside my budget though.
I have much worse experience with planner. Did less than 2k miles with Taycan, less than a month. Once it hanged: no SoC estimation at destination, no battery preconditioning at charger. After PCM reset it worked again.
Another glitch: planner advised me to leave charger with no more stops to destination. Immediately after leaving the charger added me additional 6min charging stop. I stopped but charging was not started, the only way to force the car to charge was to quit planner.
Love the car but it has many bugs in its software.
Cross Turismo?
@@MrStian78 yes. But software wise it is not different
@@pedrotravalero4605 Cross Turismo is known for problems. I don’t know why. I have the sport sedan, zero problems after 35.000km in cold Norway.
@@MrStian78 Disagree. Software is the same, and has bugs. The difference could be the quality of navigation and public chargers data, entering the planner into infinite loop.
Yeah I think you would have a helluva time trying to do this run in the USA with our crappy Fast DC charging infrastructure. Once Tesla opens up USA charging for all, should be equal to what you experienced in Germany with the Taycan.
What is funny. USA NON Tesla charging networks are owned by Euro and ChiCom companies (ownership or investment), use Eurotrash equipment. NOT American companies or gear. That seems to be forgotten by the cooing and squealing people and Kyle having their fake Os over slickster Porsche. Tesla rules… squeakers drool all over their beards.
Well done Kyle! You shall be an Honorary German by now!
Such a good looking car!
It’s not a turtle it’s a tortoise! Nice video 😂
Hey i would love to know which charging card do you use
The sole reason I love and in love with this is because it is fast ,I love people who works fast and who works individually, apparently Porsche is that for me,for a change in my life I look up to something 🤗🤗I hate putting role models in my life but this one is the only role model I will ever have. And too damn proud of it🤗🤗it's fast,it's more than effective and it gets shit done which is mandatory to be done what else I could ever ask for,because being effective is way more better than wasting others time or calling yourself hardworking or even calling yourself efficient,it's so idiotic to call yourself hard working when you can't do a minimum thing by yourself
I get the impression you maybe got a little lucky on this trip. Would like to see you do something similar in the UK…
When did you do this trip? Its obviously not 30 degrees C in germany in January.
only 120km at 50%? wow thats low....but i'm curious, how much do you pay at the charging station each time?
Plaids are on sale in europe, the first ones got delivered a couple weeks ago
I thought I saw they had dismantled the pool a while back. Can’t remember who posted it. When you said you were going to see it, I thought maybe there was a new one I hadn’t heard of. Bummer.
If I have it right, Kyle posted that video some time ago, shot at the same time he shot this one (as he mentions in this video). That video about the charging station was posted immediately, but this one apparently got wait-listed in Kyle's busy schedule and just got published.
@@RichardHale-wc1vp You know, I felt like it was Kyle, but figured I had to be wrong. The timeline thing didn’t cross my mind.
Why did you ignore the windshield washing station at Hilden?
Man I really love the Taycan. I just wish we had cars in the SUV class with the same looks/performance and especially charging speed because the Cross Turismo is really cool but it's not something I'd feel comfortable taking off-road hahah
Coming to a Cybertruck near you 😉
@@AlijahSimon 🤮
The electric Porsche Macan is coming next year. Probably not as fast as the Taycan but it will have the same 800V charging system.
@@lukasweishaupt2708 and it will charge even faster
This kind of looks/performance is pretty much the opposite of what an SUV is.
Whats the range of this in city driving with a bit of motorway with speed limit of 120kmph ?
Such a beautiful car to look at .
How much did the trip cost per mile and a mile in Sweden is 10 kilometers
In avarage just chillin roatrip hownis the energy consumption for it?
I love this car it might not be a Tesla but that speed and fast charging wins the show and looks like a dream to drive.
What do you think of the UI? Seems pretty laggy and old-skool compared to a Model 3? (I have a model3 and am considering a Taycan as my next car, but am worried about the digital experience part.
not sure when this was filmed, but Plaid have been on sale in germany since end of december
What town did you start in? It's so so close to my town, would be so interesting to see how close!
Welcome to Germany! 😊
If you ever want to check it out again, let me know. I live about 140km from there and I want to check it out too some day. My eGolf should make it in one go :)
You should do a road trip on the BMW i7.
Hay! What's the name of the track playing at 53 mins? You should put the track titles in the description. Cheers
great video- etron 55 charges fast to 100% - i got 50kw at 99%