Black Panther: WAKANDA FOREVER - Did the Movie Work? (Ft. Reel Rejects) | ScreenCrush Rewind
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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is a worthy successor to marvel's most successful film. But it isn't perfect. IN this video we break down some of the movie's problems and celebrate what made it work.
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Greg Alba @ReelRejects
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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was a hard movie to watch. Not saying that because it was bad-it wasn;t perfect, but I’ll get into that in a minute. For a movie about magic plants and people living underwater and mutants-it has a real emotional heart at its core. Because everyone in the audience is mourning the loss of Chadwick boseman-just like the characters on screen are mourning T’Challa. It’s the kind of personal connection to a movie that you don’t usually get, apart from documentaries.
In a franchise that was not the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they probably would have delayed this movie for a few years But, that’s not reaLly an option with Marvel, because this film exists in part, to set up more movies and TV shows. That’s actually this movie’s biggest drawback that I'll talk about in a second.
Writer Director Ryan Coogler stopped into this movie with a broken heart, mourning his friend-and I think they found the perfect way to write T’Challa out of the franchise. For one, it was brilliant to give T’Challa a mysterious disease that he kept hidden from everyone-because this is a reflection of Chadwick Boseman’s life, and makes the onscreen death more tragic.
I mean think about it, there are hundreds of ways they could have handled this that would have just felt off. T’Challa could have been attacked and killed by Namor’s people in the first scene. Or he could have been assassinated by some splinter group loyal to Killmonger. Or hell, they could have had the character go into space only to return as a different actor in the future.
Instead they used the character’s death to motivate the character, and not plot. Shuri is the focus of this film. She begins the move with a prayer, and she ends it by sparing Namor’s life. She is angry at T'Challa;s death. Angry at Killmonger for destroying the herb, angry at herself for failing to save him-and probably, angry at her brother for keeping his illness a secret.
That rag drives Shuri’s heart through the whole story, as she has to eventually answer the question: what kind of ruler is she going to be?
And Ryan Coogler also, once again, gives us one of the best-if not the best-MCU villain in namor. Namor in the comics has never been a household name. Even though Aquaman debuted later, Namor doesn;t have that name recognition. No comic readers know that he is a badass-sometimes a good guy, sometimes a bad guy-but always an a-hole who’s trying to bone Mr Fantatsic;s wife.
Aquaman comics even borrowed Namor’s edginess into the 90s. Reviving him into the king of the bro-cean that Josn Mamoa embodies. So namor was ripe for reinvention on the big screen, and this was perfect. Killmonger was reimaged as a villain who carried the scars of slavery and poverty-a perfect counterpoint to wakanda’s isolated civilization.
Namor is another reflection of wakanda. What if the heart shaped herb was found by people who were already oppressed? People who wanted nothing to do with the colonizers. In the comics, namor is always mad about humanity spoiling the seas. But in this movie, the reaction is to something less ambiguous-he is protecting his people form genocide.
He’s a Moses figure, leading his people away form slavery and genocide-or imagine if superman was able to lead survibirs of kpyon into a afe location.
Okay, yeah, like Kandor. So talocan and wanda are flip side of each other. In the comics wakanda and atlantis were both always secret societies, but this movie’s brilliance is the reason those societies each stayed secret. Talacon felt like a real place, filled with real people-a million times better realized than the Atlantis we got in Aquaman. 
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Nate GOOFY Moore and Ryan BLACK TRAUMA Coogler butchered T'Challa's lore... not sure if this franchise can be saved.
This is the best marvel movie of this phase period💯
Not a fan at all of Matt Singer's take. At all.
Not a shill for Greg Alba, but I really appreciated his views.
I had to unsubscribe from reel rejects sadly. ALL they upload is reaction vids & it’s gotten to the point where they’re even doing reaction vids to newrockstars breakdown vids… lol
I'm sorry but aren't we at the end of phase four? And haven't we seen this massive universe do the same thing over and over again with setting up other movies??? So why does this movie gets pointed out for the same formula as the other movies?
I think everyone is overthinking the introduction of Tchalla's son. For me, i dont think its not because Marvel is setting him for the future (because thats going to be a disservice to Shuri who just became BP), but to close off her plotline about her "feeling alone" because all of her family is dead. In the funeral of Queen Ramonda, she said her heart was buried along with her, so with introducing her nephew, she can now have a renewed sense of hope and source of familial love.
they killed him after one movie. kill her after the next and make the kid come up.
I, too, missed that when I saw the mid credit scene. However, I think you're 100% correct in how T'Challa Jr. was introduced to restore Shuri's sense of hope. Top Marks 😁.
Great comment and observation, unfortunately not everyone can appreciate the difficulty of pulling this movie off and honoring a real life tragic death of Chadwick Boseman. That post credit scene for me had to be easily top 3 ever of the Marvel cinematic universe. Great way to keep the Black Panther character alive and relevant in the MCU for years to come.
Exactly. Basic fans are now all hype & no HEART when it comes to the MCU.
Thank you
Dude with the glasses completely misread the prince T’challa scene. It’s about beauty of having kids and she literally thought her entire family was dead. Her entire family died within like 6-7 years. Her realizing she still has family and a connection to T’challa and that his spirit will be passed on through Tuson/T’challa was so beautiful. It was the best part of the movie for me. Wild that someone didn’t like it as much he seemed to
The beauty and magic of seeing the next generation is also matched by the hope for the future. Shuri was feeling alone and hopeless, and then she finds out that she actually does have a hopeful future.
The reveal at the end of prince T’Challa was more than homage to Chadwick. It was Shuri realizing not all her family is gone. She thought she was the last of her family and I thought it was heartwarming to see her realize she wasn’t alone.
Angela Bassett alone made this a great film. I’m glad she got to showcase that amazing talent on such a big stage.
Angela been great. And I’m glad people got to experience her talent if they hadn’t before
Tina Turner only wanted Angela Bassett to portray her. That is how good Angela Bassett is. I don't know why the hell she hasn't got a oscar yet.
Then they killed her as a plot device horrible. Why was she left unprotected???
@@versewonderstrikes5353 Seems like they were giving her the same character development as TChalla. as TChalla had to prepare to be king after his fathers death. Suri had to prepare to be a leader after her mothers death. I don't think they should of killed her off but Marvel is going through that phase of killing off pretty much all the elders from Thor, etc. You know someone has to die and sadly that is probably going to be the case with Quantomania too.
@@anthonygordon9483 Also why would the Queen send Nakia’s character on a dangerous underwater mission knowing that that was T’Challa Jr’s mother??? Just saying many things in this just don’t add up.
I think some people are missing some of the biggest themes. The Riri character’s inclusion is a continuation of both T’challa and Killmonger’s legacies and is central to the story. Shuri is continuing their legacy of extending the protection of Wakanda to the 6th tribe. She is viewing Riri as a part of her people who she needs to protect. She also sees herself in her: a genius intellect, young, gifted, and black. She becomes a big sister to her and mentors her the way her big brother did. The reason Wakanda and Talocan can’t agree is that Wakanda won’t allow Riri to be harmed. This makes her a key piece of the story.
THIS! all of this! With this perspective, I definitely think this sets the stage for The Thunderbolts and Falcon and Bucky's involvement in Wakanda's destabilization by the US gov.
Thank you for this. The problem with Riri is that they didn't do more with this theme (like a heartfelt conversation between Shuri and Riri that informs the kind of leader Shuri chooses to be) but the amount of people who miss what Riri did give us is disappointing.
I couldn't agree with you more. Riri was central to the story. So it shocks me to hear people say that she did not have to be introduced in the movie.
I think the Talocan’s motivation to hurt / kill Riri is weak. He wants to protect his people and that makes sense, why is he taking the fight to a young scientist who had no say in how her technology was being used and was still so young, in school and learning about the world.
As I was watching it I, knew instinctively that Riri was introduced as part of her origin story that will be built upon in future entries, but her character does not feel shoe-horned in.
When my sister died I was upset. I was mad at her for not taking care of her health. Dying so young and something that could have been avoided. They did a great job presenting that level of grief.
I'm sorry for your loss.
May your sister rest in peace
I'm so sorry about your sister. Msrip. X
Thank you for your comments. She died a few years ago. But I had to share cause I see so many people with strong comments on this movie. But honestly I was really moved. They presented the feelings of grief as they are in real life. the pain the frustration and the anger. I’m happy they did it. Everyone thinks they know better. Great movie.
Wtf does this have to do with the movie... u must have no friends,,, understandably...
Val is not a distraction at all. It's a rare tie-in that actually makes sense and serves the story. World governments despite bad intentions are no threat to Wakanda. Val's involvement and what she is up to shows that Namor's position on the surface world is in fact justified and he is right when he says they will come for Wakanda.
Agree...and also because if no one else from other properties showed up tp create some ties to the larger universe...people would complain, too. ;-)
I Agree ...Val Was Part Of ''Falcon and Winter Soldier'' in that Show Wakanda was a road Block For the '' New Captain America'' ( Soon to be US Agent and one of Val's New Pawn's...) He Got his A** Kicked By the Dora milaje.
Val would have been Debriefed on that.
Plus the First Black Panther Movie Was More like a Phase 1 MCU Film to Build the World of Wakanda More....Now we Know the Main Player's there after Civil War,Infinity War Etc. So Adding to the MCU With Val/Riri Williams is fine.
Val Only has to Show up for a few Scene's In a Few Projects and by the Time the Thunder Bolt's Movie. She will have a true Fleshed out Character Arc . The MCU Is a ever Expanding Franchise .
I also Think Having Riri Gives Shuri a Non Wakanda Friend For the Future. Someone she can count on. And Tchalla's Son Give's Shuri Hope for a Better Way Forward.
@@sleinadb while this is true, it didn't feel crammed in there to me, there needed to be a face to the threat of the 'surface'/rest of the world, it fit perfect
Ppl dont know what they want at!
I thought we all wanted more MCU tie ins to Marvel Movies then you get it.. but now its a distractions?
@@ChefBoydrdee That's because the complaints are no coming from the same people. It is basically impossible to please everyone. And the one's that doesn't like are usually more vocal about it.
The main opinion I have on on Okoye and M’Baku is that they both have story arcs that span multiple movies.
1. M’Baku went from someone who was an outsider who wanted the throne to someone who respected T’Challa, to someone who was a friend and ally, to someone who could take care of Shuri, complete arc.
2. Okoye made mistakes in BP 1 and did not get any consequences for it. She was forgiven and moved on. Her losing her status was a good story for her. Now we can see her redeem herself as a midnight angel. She can become her own person not just a loyal fighter.
Agreed 100%
Okoye deserves to grow as a character outside of Wakanda, she’s Avenger, super hero level capable. Being the general was holding her back at this point in her life.
I agree with everything you said but with no disrespect intended....I lost it in the theater when M'Baku called Okoye "a bald headed demon". I couldn't help but laugh out loud. It was so unexpected but funny as hell. He didn't have to roast her like that 🤣🤣🤣
A series based on The Midnight Angels would be fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
And I think the Queen demoting her contributed significantly to Ramonda's arc, too or at least illustrated her own pain, to toss away her General.
Matt:
Ironheart was unnecessary.
Also Matt:
This movie has me more interested in ironheart.
😭😭
I mean both can be true
@@KUbballer049 in a crazy person's mind 😭😭
If it got them interested then Marvel did they job right?
Exactly... Like bruh, Stop talking🤣🤣, Everything was necessary, otherwise they'd be complaining about a short runtime, or too much Shurri or too much Namor for something callled "Black Panther"...or some other trivial made up crap🤣
@@KUbballer049 really like really lol... They introduced her so you can be excited for her. So to say that she's unnecessary is wrong. She completed her role of building anticipation. This is seen in his own words " I'm looking forward to the ironheart show". Meaning, mission complete.
@@Moncriefs 🤣😂 FACTS !!!!!!
It's always something yknow?
If they would've waited for her show to introduce her then they would've complained about being tired of seeing lame origin stories. Like they did with She-Hulk.
I could say the Skrulls in Spider-Man FFH was unnecessary, but I have patience that Secret Invasion will come out at some point.
I believe the same people who brought us Infinity War & Endgame know what they are doing. I'm just enjoying the ride.
Dude in the Kang shirt is right.... Nothin was really "out of place".... I think people are just in a constant state of comparison for some reason to the point where they're always in search of flaws
Exactly all this nitpicking like your dam if you do and dam if you don't! I think with what Ryan was working with and literally having to rewrite the script he did an outstanding job! 👏 The way they set this movie up for a recast of T'Challa was respectful and well done. I cant see it being done ANY other way, these guys acting like they know how to direct and write a movie last minute.
@@TrollBot. my sentiments exactly
Yeah they are in a constant state of cynicism. If there is one minor plot issue, it's actually 'a major issue' to them that completely devalues the entire movie for them.
But pretty much every movie review is biased in some way, when something bothers them they can't be reasonable in accounting for all of the positives that the movie gave.
@@ringo1888 Super facts!!!!
@@ringo1888 Very well said! I feel like there’s this new trend of being overly critical and exaggerating the tiny flaws into big flaws. This nerdy hipster trend of trying to get cool points for complaining, is so annoying.
The movie was heavy.. very emotional, and very deep. Some people can’t relate to the significance of how emotional this movie really was.. it was amazing
Comment when you off the time of the month brother
Leticia Wright was amazing
My experience coming out of the theater was different compared to Thor LT. Watching Queen and Shuri trying to hold on as the only 2 left behind to lead the kingdom and when Shuri screamed the battle cry in her own BP suit were so emotional for me. Letitia's performance deserves the praise. Angela Bassett, gosh, you can feel her emotional struggle while trying to do her role as a Queen protecting her country and also her only family left. Riri is likeable enough. Namor is not an annoying villain in any means. People in my theater clapped hard when something epic happens, it's the Marvel movie experience I guess lol.
Riri isn’t likable at all. Her comments and how she speaks is clearly pandering to the black community. I say this as a black man. This movie was dog shit and they should have recast the king not substitute him with his 90 pound whiny sister. This movie was dog shit.
After She Hulk and Thor L+T this was a breath a fresh air for the MCU. It was about a half hour too long and Riri Williams was basically a plot device but I enjoyed this one as much as the first. Namor was another brilliant villian and the real life connection to the passing of Chadwick helped add emotional weight to the story. Angela Bassett also killed it and I hope she gets nominated for her performance.
Bruh no she hulk and thor were as wack as this movie
Only thing saving it is the performance by Angela Bassett and namors tenoch
It truly felt like classic marvel
they did him so wrong for giving him that lame ass fight at the end. he deserved better
You and I apparently watched two different movies. This was trash and the MCU is in a death spiral with ZERO direction this Saga. Agree on She-Hulk and Thor though.
I'm a little surprised that you guys didn't talk a little bit more about the themes that Ryan coogler emphasized so heavily in this films that were in a lot of ways more important to the movie than the idea of grief and that is a colonialization. Especially on how talocan contrasts with wakanda in their relationship with colonialization and neo colonialism. To me those themes are what set this movie apart from any other marvel film of the teams were so much more mature so much more interesting than your average marvel film
Are you surprised? I’m not
You know why.
White perspective is the center, to them.
They likely don't even notice.
They totally missed some really important aspects of this film, but I’ve stopped expecting much from SC
Cuz they white & were never colonised.
Lol why would they acknowledge the inherent evilness of their own ancestors? I still don't know how Coogler gets away with putting those themes in a Disney movie but I love him for it.
I envy people who don't understand how impactful the story of grief in this film was and how well they handle it.
For me who recently lost my father, this movie hit home and gave me comfort and understanding in a way that I never expected a Marvel movie to do.
My condolences to you on the loss on your father. I lost mine 4 years ago and I will say grief is definitely a very personal journey. I'm glad you got some comfort from watching this movie.
Same here. Lost both of my parents so it feels way more emotional, then adding the tribute to Chadwick, felt really powerful.
Condolences 🙏
Don't envy them, of course losing your father has no real positives to it and I am sorry for your loss but this all shows you have a huge ability to have empathy - empathy is what makes us really human and those that lack it are very shallow and self obsessed.
a marvel film wont ever give me comfort about my fathers death. marvel films are trash
@@laoch5658 why do you go through youtube videos looking at reviews of a franchise you hate?
Did this guy say he just hated the kid reveal. What the hell? That scene was emotional to me.
That was the emotional apex.. i heard people gasp and audible sobbing and then the theater just burst into applause.. soooo unexpected. The movie already delivered ..but my goodness.. that post credit scene was like a cherry on top of a delicious sundae
He’s a clown
it was soap opera level
pretty pretty bad
@@dimitreze you see it as a soap opera trope of
"He had a secret son"
We see it as shuri realizing that she does still have family, a connection to her past, and someone she can be a positive influence on. This hits right when Shuri is at her lowest as shes coming to terms with not only her brother passing but her whole family being gone. We see it as more than a trope.
@@TheBenole long way to say you like soap opera. the level of storytelling on black panther 2 is soap opera.
andor is showing how is possible to make a franchise product with an amazing script yet people are happy with shitty soap opera tropes
Ryan C. had a HUGE job ahead of him. The only thing I have seen like this was the head actor of Spartacus dying from cancer and having to be replaced. Ryan had to
1) make a memorial to Chad Wick which he nailled 100%
2) keep the MCU moving forward, which he did OK, but similar to Avengers 2, the moving the universe forward parts are felt ( the movie was too long to me, not in a boring way, but in a logistics way that it didnt NEED to be this long) and
3) tell a completed sequel story. Knowing a little about the comic book that this is sort of based on, I see why they went in a lot of the directions they went.
One thing I 10000% hope more marvel movies do, is have the final battle look more like two actors fighting , rather than 2 cgi creations fighting. They learned this lesson in the original blade and seem to have almost completely forgotten it since then.
I agree wholeheartedly!!!
I agree with all u said. Final battle definitely better than the first one, and most final battles if any hero genre film
Well said. Fully agreed!
Dude all your complaints are wack … for one ppl complain it’s too short it’s too long. Does it even matter how long or short it is … & we have a lot of content so we can’t be mad the cgi isn’t the best when it first realizes cause there pumping out so much content that we could not have at all of its a problem and if your bothered by cgi watch it when it comes out on Disney
@@erikespinoza9696 I'm sure there is a cohesive thought or sentence in there somewhere, I just couldn't find it. sorry.
Namor wanting to kill Ironheart because of a vibranium detector is reaching but Mysterio wanting Spider-Man dead over some glasses isn't to far fetched huh?
Ironheart could've easily been introduced in a new Spider-Man movie with their MIT connections but Spidey is ironed out. They even made Mysterio Iron Man's villian 🙄
I'm over basic origin stories like in She-Hulk. Riri would not have made sense debuting in a Ant-Man or GOTG movie. This was the perfect place to introduce this character. It was great!
What are you talking about, Mysterio wanted Spider-Man dead because he discovered evidence (the downed drone) that he was a sham.
@@watcherzero5256 same difference. Lol
@@ms.bubs4fun506 Exactly, the DISCOVERY of something.
How does everyone else gets this but that guy?😭
💯💯💯🎯🎯 exactly! Ironheart's part in this movie was Very necessary and shows so much about not only Her character build, but Namor and Shuri.
Aneka is not pronounced "A-nee-ka", it's "A-neh-ka", Nakia is pronounced "Na-keey-a 😝
1. Okoye's story was purposely underdeveloped here for good reason because she has her own show coming up which will explore her misguided loyalty to the throne as a General in BP1 which led to her dismissal by Queen Ramonda in Wakanda Forever. Coogler's choice here is brilliant.
2. Ayo and Aneka's romantic relationship should absolutely have been more prominent and it seems it was Disney's top brass choice not to show prominence of it versus Ryan Coogler who we know would never shy away from showing any relationship dynamics.
3. The inclusion of Riri, Val and Ross were effective plot devices and there has to be a connectivity to the outside world because the world is coming for Wakanda.
4. Recasting T'Challa would have been a disaster and so glad they went with having T'Challa having a son with Nakia and having him named Toussaint is honour of the Haitian revolutionary leader as well as T'Challa is a stroke of genius.
4. Matt completely doesn't get the multi-arch importance and purpose of Wakanda Forever and to be brutally honest it's because this isn't his culture nor does he care to grasp it, he has such a white, westernized perspective which comes off as patronizing and bland.
5. Thank you Greg Alba (the reel rejects) for really grasping why the movie was weaved and crafted the way it was.
well said on all points
Number 4 of your list of points is the MAIN FREAKIN point on why most of us colored people CRIED during the trailer, and most white reactors didn't cry as much, because all of us colored people, it seemed that Chadwick's death felt very SYMBOLIC of us as colored people and the grief and pain weve all had to live through being citizens of America. As a native American, I cried during the trailer, and movie as well, because although the movie isn't outright about oppression, there is this quiet symbolic feeling to it that FEELS like we lost a symbol of hope for us, I DONT KNOW, it's so subtle of a feeling but is loud in it's feeling.....it's a feeling that reverberated through the M.C.U.'s multicultural fan base that emotionally connected with is that some European people can't sympathize with. I can't quite hit the nail on the head with this explanation, but I feel that those of you who read my comment who are the multicultural fan base understand what I'm grasping at.
Exactly !!!
Thank you so much for summing up exactly what I was thinking while watching this video
I think introducing Riri’s character in this film was significant because Shuri & Queen Ramonda cared for her and took her in (even when it meant Namor would attack Wakanda) when King T’Chaka had left Killmonger behind.
Bingo! It shows how much of an impact Killmonger and T’Challah had on Wakanda’s isolationism. T’Chaka would never have interfered to save an American girl, and even T’Challah prior to Killmonger would have seen her as an unfortunate sacrifice.
I agree There’s a lot of important reasons riri was in the movie.. THE MOST IMPORTANT… if the CIA built the vibruniam detector then namor would want to kill the whole cia or America this kept that technology contained to only riri and made it easier and cleaner to contain the threat aka riri and that way he want targeting USA so it kept talokan as a secret nation which played a big part … Also after the first movie it ended with then wanting to make more connections and interact with Black America which this show cases so it fits with what happen at the end of the first movie and you want them to flesh out every character like the midnight angels and iron heart but that’s the reason there getting spin offs to fill in the gaps casue if they told there stories in full ryan would be here saying there was to many arcs and blah blah blah and that they were unnecessary like that’s the point of spin offs we got what we needed for the film and the spin offs will fill the gaps and that’s ok
Yep and he even said so when he visited...that in itself makes her valuable, then add in that the queen died saving her.
Ooo that's a great take, 👍🏽 makes so much sense. Not abandoning people of of the "lost tribe" ei. descendents of the African slave trade.
@@Jenna1394 wait was towards me right? 😂
I guess my question for this review is: how would you have an end of phase four movie without having connecting characters? You have to give the director credit for ending a phase, paying tribute to an amazing actor, and introducing a new character all in one movie.
Exactly!
I agree! I know it’s their job, but I think that some of them are over thinking this.
Agree..they are being ridiculous
Absolutely and their introduction in this film was really well done. I didn't find their involvement distracting, it made sense to the plot and always refocused it to the core issues of chadwick, wakanda and namor
Filmed during Covid too
Matt Singer completely focuses on missing the point of the movie which was the volatility of grief - they handled that perfectly and there aren’t a lot of perfect Marvel movies this was one of them.
I liked the tone of this movie. This felt like a classic Marvel movie from Phase 1 where there was some actual weight behind the threat and there was an actual storyline. I also like that there wasn't all whole lot of "fan service" being played out in the film. Don't get me wrong I like a good cameo as much as the next geek, but it should serve some purpose - like a post credits scene with Val giving the Thunderbolts a call to head to Wakanda.
While I agree at the same time it would feel a bit rude to put self advertisement after that mid credit tribute
There was quite a bit of fan service in this movie, but it was done right, it was mostly subtle and didn't pull you out of the story.
So true
@@d.r.u. but remember, that was 2008 and they were ESTABLISHING the MCU.. at the time ironman was competing with X-Men who REALLY got their movie start on the strength of the 92 fox cartoon.. you have to remember the evolution of this.. the avengers was a puzzle no one had a box top to see the final picture.. it wasnt like harry potter or lord of the rings.. yes there were comic books, but that audience is way more techinical than a movie audience.. and movies have to appeal to way more people than comic books..and for the record, i am not an avengers or iron man person.. not even when ghostface killa called himself tony stark😂.. i was an x-man person.. so the way marvel/disney pulled of that first run is not going to be duplicated no time soon so just enjoy the movies for what they are
@@chriskuta6178 Why none of the Avengers attend T'Challa's funeral?
Why Namor never came up to the surface when Thanos snapped half his people away?
Why Namor never came up to the surface when Celestial Tiamat was ripping the Earth in two from birthing from the Earth's core?
Why didnt Shuri put T'Challa in Cryogen chamber stasis? Did they forget they had that technology?
Why did they think fusing Aztec and Mayan culture for Namor was a good idea? They are mutuallly exclusive
Why are all the men in this film made to be morons or betas?
Another one... Riri was necessary for more than comic relief and a show setup. Her sense of humor and nature is very much like Shuri from the 2018 film. Here we have Shuri struggling to find herself amongst her grief and standing right along with her is a reminder of who she was before she let grief take control. Riri gave Shuri someone and something to fight for... Not just Fighting for Riri but fighting for the innocence that Riri represents. You could even call back to the "Asgard is a people" vibe from Ragnarok in Shuri realizing that Riri was the future she wanted to save.
As the powers line up in the US vs Wakanda story line this set up Riri to be on the side of Wakanda in the future.
I give it 9/10. I loved it. The movie didn't feel long to me at all. I also didn't feel like Riri and Valentina/Ross were a waste. It made sense to me plot-wise 🤷🏾♂️
Same, it made sense to the plot and their involvement was tastefully done. You have to praise the director for how well he handled all these different concepts around including the external things that affected this movie.
This movie felt very complete, so well done in honouring Chadwick's death
@@ringo1888 exactly, Valentina is planning to make a play for Wakanda soon. It makes complete sense
I loved tht they involved Valentina
If you enjoyed the first Black Panther movie, chances are you enjoyed this one because they told you the same story all over again. If you liked:
●Black Panther struggling with the need for revenge and questioning his religion
●Black Panther choosing a path of less destruction while uniting people for the greater good
●Black Panther discovering that their predecessor kept a huge secret one with implications for the future of the bloodline.
Then chances are you will love this one. It's the SAME story.
I liked the movie but you got to admit for being the MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD Iron man has more fire power. For having a lot of tech they really don’t use it. You would think the capital building would have shields and more defenses or the just the city in general.
I won't let "movie experts" on RUclips tell me this movie is any bad
it is perfect
THIS!!
SAME!!!!!!
I went to a screening of this before it hit theaters in Los Angeles. This was a beautiful film, emotionally, aesthetically and especially for a sequel. Multiple tears throughout. Everyone involved did a fantastic job with this tribute to Chadwick Boseman.
greg’s comments on Okoye and Riri are on point. I agree that the addition of Ironheart serves an important narrative purpose. Shuri is protecting riri from the talokans, not just because of her nobleness or sympathy, but because she sees herself in Riri. She is gifted and innocent, and has been enjoying much of her life thanks to that talent. However, she is on the verge of being thrown (or in Shuri’s case, already thrown) into a darker world where her talents are not a gift but a curse. If Shuri could save riri, perhaps she could also save the innocent younger sister that was 2018’s Shuri.
It seems we shy away from suffering, grief, & loss unless it "hits home." A collective experience like this film brings us closer to the good that comes from suffering: compassion
Went and saw it last night and loved it. Started a standing ovation during the marvel studios intro that was all black panther t'challa
I loved, loved, loved this movie and I felt the message to my core. It was sad but yet it didn’t leave you feeling hopeless.
The scene with Okoye rescuing Ross seemed like it was originally the post-credits scene, and it was pulled back and stuck into the middle of the epilogue so the Prince T'Challa scene could end the movie on a positive note. It had a very post-credit feel to it, and really stuck out where it was in the movie.
I think you are 100% right
Yes. I thought the namor scene would also have made sense as an end credit scene followed by black panther and namor will return
I liked the comic relief whenever Okeye was on screen. Like when she and Shuri were talking in front of Riri to make her nervous enough to go with them.
Listen, as a black woman the dialogue about Okoye's foundation made me laugh out loud. Definitely the kind of conversations I would have in real life with an other BW
@@frederiquem6725 like with Shuri?
Every time I watch one of these I always find myself wondering if Matt Singer even likes Marvel movies. The first thing he says is usually “I thought it was okay…”
Preach.. he's coming across too high-brow like it's beneath him to talk about these movies.
I would say, "It was alright".
Came here to say the same thing!
I'm sure glad he is not a Marvel studios content provider. I feel he wants the un-achievable, his way, which is not what the public would want. The public is almost personally involved and to replace Chadwick would have been a bad move and is looking forward to T'Challa son's story. Total opposite to his remarks. This coming from my friend's opinions who are both Marvel and DC fans.
Maybe he is a critical thinker and can speak objectively rather just slide into emotional manipulation.
I love the way the story felt so organic and personal. It wasn’t forced and felt so natural. It wasn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it worked exceptionally well, melding the two cultures of Wakanda and introducing us to Talokan. They may be technologically different, but they share the same DNA. How they dealt with Chadwick Boseman’s and T’Challa’s death was beautiful. I cried so many times, and I was reminded of how difficult it can be when you lose a loved one. Grief is one of the hardest to convey and easiest to fuck up on film. Yet, Ryan Coogler did an excellent job guiding us through Shuri’s struggle with grief throughout the film. The running time was a bit on the long side, and some side characters could’ve been removed from the story, and it would’ve still worked. Still, I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of this movie, and I will be watching it again soon. I give it a solid 7.5 out of 10. Excellent job!
you said a mouthful, EXACTLY LOL
9/10
I loved it because it was like a closure we needed and also too them telling us, this isn’t the end of T’challa, we will see him again. So it was a good way for the new black Panther to begin her journey. And also the introduction of Namor and his people into the universe.
Shuri has always been one of my favorite characters and I'm glad they made a movie focusing on her. 🙂
The story goes that Letitia Wright was a very difficult to work with during the pandemia shoot, and that's the reason Marvel won't continue with her as the Black Panther. Too bad for the character's sake, but I kinda understand that the giant that is Marvel always wants to stay the one to say the last word.
Rumor.
And based on the film, a false one.
It’s funny cause in a way they mos def cheekily and in the most respectful way recast him. His son is not T’challa II or T’Challa Jr it’s straight T’challa. This allows them to still explore avenues of T’challa’s storylines from the comics his relationship with storm his power given to him by Bas there is a lot to unpack there. Genuinely handled well and tastefully in my personal opinion.
T;Challa's son in the comics is a completely diffferent character and personality since he is the son of Storm.
THis was NOT handled well wtf. They disrespected Chadwick in thie movie by trying to tie his death and his decision not to tell anyone about his illness to T'Challa not telling his family about his illness; saying he was "too proud". FUCKED UP on Disney and Ryan Coogler and Nate Moore's part.
Not to mention ruining Namor.
Exactly I said the same thing.
@@budgiecat9039 cry about it
It was awesome for me. It’s been the best marvel movie I’ve seen in a while. Namor was awesome he was like Jason. He’s the only villain since winter solider that I felt if he appeared someone was gonna die. It’s a 10 / 10. I felt like there could’ve been more panther but they did so much in one movie. They don’t have that much time. Also WATER GErnades!!!! Also it had 5 new characters and a new location and a two giant battles in 1 movie! The cg was great too. That’s impossible to do in one movie.
Some of the best acting in the MCU all time
I usually enjoy listening to SC’s reviews. This was difficult for me as Wakanda Forever encompassed so many themes and stories within a story that really speak to those with African ancestry and not one person on this panel can relate to that. While many watching will miss these nuggets and downgrade the movie, those themes will speak strongly to those who can relate. This is why representation in Hollywood story telling is important. More than just a particular demographic go to the theaters. Equally important, is representation when offering panel critiques so that other voices are heard when recounting these stories. Just wanted to offer this thought as the MCU is becoming more diverse.
OMG YES! YES! YES! I also found this SC breakdown difficult to watch because (to no fault of their own) they completely missed the African and Mexican ancestry message and the significance of even having both cultures be the main focus.
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Screen Crush needs to get more non white folks involved. It’s glaring how white this channel is.
"more diverse" ugh. Drinking Disney's Kool-Aid is bad for your heatlh.
@@budgiecat9039 No on cares about your thoughts.
The movie was straight up amazing, this is the first movie in phase 4 that feels like the movies before end game.
I just got back from a repeat viewing of BP: WF and I found Riri to be more necessary than I did on earlier viewings. Had she not been in the movie, the entire film would've been seen as much more dour than it already was.
While I still maintain that the various governments of the world's lust for Vibranium is the true villain of the movie, the Alegre de Fountaine cameo could've easily been trimmed because the only appearance you'd need is her at the war table talking about destabilization, hinting at both a concept tackled in the first movie as well as something that both Queen Ramonda & Namor had mentioned during this movie.
I think Angela may see a few nominations for her work in this.
I love that they used an illness to explain T’challa’s death. It brings the fact that Chadwick worked through a lot of the Marcel films while being gravely ill. Just as T’challa must have been during some, if not all, of his appearances in the MCU.
@Dichang Feng im having a stroke reading that
Nobody is bigger than the character. Man up
@@WilliamTheGroomer i just got a headache from it lmao
@@joshuapaulomari lmao
He was actually diagnosed in 2016 so while filming he was already fighting cancer.
The movie proved that fans actually want heartfelt stories with a powerful message, and not a superhero movie oversaturated with comedy like the Ragnarok and Love and Tunder
Agreed
Agreed and I hope people show with their wallets what kind of movies we want
Nice to see one of the editors show up on screen, instead of being a name in the description.
They always do a great job matching what is being said and what is on screen, and with the comedic timing of the jokes involving the dog.
I thought it was going to be a "hi :)" written on the screen, didn't expect to see a face.
The Ramonda at the UN is legendary.
The Dora Milaje dragging in the French troops in chains was the icing on the cake.
This is how you portray female characters.
Intelligent, cunning, wise, and vicious.
I didn’t like how they brought in Iron Heart, it was half hearted. Some of her lines were absolutely hilarious.
I was waiting for Princess to come to a conclusion of who she is. It felt like it took forever.
The ending was anticlimactic for me.
Your description of how female characters should be portrayed is abysmal.
@@jakespeed8246 based
LOVED the Throne Room scene with Ramonda & Okoye, gave me chills! Give me the Dora Milaje D+ Show with Ayo, Aneka & Okoye getting more screen time! There was some wider MCU world-building that felt like studio notes to Coogler that could've made the movie a little tighter if it was left out! Phase 4 was simply about dealing with the ramifications of Endgame & introducing new characters that will come together in Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars! Ppl who went into Phase 4 expecting big team-ups at the end of it should've had tempered expectations! RIP Kevin Conroy - THE BATMAN to an entire generation!
This, all the way
Yeah that throne room scene was riveting plus everything the Queen said was real and stuff I looked over as an Okoye fan.
I loved that scene too, because right through the scene before on the bridge I was thinking about Okoye promising the queen to keep Shuri safe. I would have been very disappointed if the movie hadn't addressed that later. But it didn't disappoint, the dialogue and acting in the scene was brilliant.
I didn’t hear it mentioned explicitly, but the idea of not letting vengeance consume you was part of T’Challa’s arc in Civil War too.
I know...I heard that as soon as it was said and it seems to have missed some of the recap videos.
I loved everything Greg said and don’t understand the disconnect. They also handled things perfectly with the kid and I look forward to seeing more of him. The timeline works.
Not only was it good, but it's my new fave MCU movie, period.
It had a completely different vibe from other MCU films, was character driven, and felt authentic. The Meso-American imagery was absolutely gorgeous to boot. 9.9/10.
lol have you seen a good movie before to rank this a 9.9?
Better than NWH
@@Efinem3787 Get over your hidden agenda
@@ms.bubs4fun506 no hidden agenda... i personally ranked the movie 7.3/10
I love the film with all my heart!!!! Of course the film has its issues, but however when the film wins it wins BIG!! My only issues come with the spin off setups. Other than that, I have no other major criticisms.
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Wakanda forever was bloody brilliant and what a magnificent tribute to Chadwick Boseman RIP
I found it all so balance and effective. All of the characters were driven by love, loss, fear, and hope. It was a very powerful movie.
Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp and I loved this movie for how far it reached even if it couldn’t hold onto it all. You can’t ask the last movie of this Phase to not set up the next
exactly
I felt that way as well, part of the job of marvel movies is to keep the over arching story going while we get into individual storylines. Riri could’ve been introduced in another film and it wouldn’t have changed much of the core story at all. Same for the scenes with Ross and Val but I understand why they were included. This is also coming from someone who’s super pumped for IronHeart
😂 mane gtfoh
@@jessicacolgrave4082 wonder if we will see MJ Ned and Flash since at the end of No way home they also get into MIT where Riri goes to school
Phase 4:
"OH there's not enough connective tissue to the greater mcu"
BP2:
"There were elements here that weren't needed like Okoye freeing that guy, Fontain and Ironheart".
Pick a lane. I personally much prefer those additions to set up future plots and a stronger connections to exterior elements.
I just saw this in a 4dx theater I legit cried a few times my theater screamed wakanda forever when shuri said it in the final battle we did the chants and all that it was such a good movie
Disney exploited Chadwick's death for black trauma dollars.
I LOVED Greg being the balance that praised the film!! Thank you Greg!!
The way Riri mirrored Iron Man was pretty good imo. They both escaped from people who wanted them to build something in a suit made from what they could find. Ho Yinsen sacrifices himself for Tony & Queen Ramonda sacrifices herself for Riri. They both fly to high and end up falling down, then fly too high again with an upgraded suit in an attempt to stop the villain.
It was wack 😪 so cringy her suit was horrible and underwater horrible, and movie was too dark
That’s not mirroring, that’s just copying lol
Amen.
Loved this movie, definintly in my top 5 mcu films.
I agree with Greg! This movie was emotional and powerful, well crafted all throughout! One of my all time favorites!
I loved this movie. I’ve seen it three times already (twice Thursday and once Friday), and I feel like I could write a thesis paper on its depth. The first movie told a story of a world where Black people were able to avoid slavery and thrive, but begged the question “why didn’t you help us [Black Americans] Wakanda?”. Wakanda Forever told a story that relates to the frequent bad-blood between minority groups and how often poor communities fight over resources, and what it would be like if we all saw ourselves as the same community. Coogler being from CA probably saw this all of the time growing up. At the same time, he’s also telling a story of “what if we stopped and took the time to appreciate this Black man’s life?” In 2020 (and many years before / after), the world seems to devalue Black lives as ‘replaceable’. This is why I’m so thankful that they took the time to value Chadwick / T’Challa and show how much he’s loved… so much so that they wrapped an entire movie around it. I don’t expect everyone to get this, but this movie speaks so deeply to so many of us. ❤
The term "minority" doesn't fit or apply here when speaking universally.
I was a few minutes into the the movie and thought.. "this is already better than Thor Love and Thunder".
It might have seemed repetitive to touch on grief in so many phase 4 projects but it makes total sense after the devastation that Thanos caused.
Phase 4 was not great but it started with a great project in Wandavision and closes out with another examination of grief with Wakanda Forever.
Not everything worked in this movie for me but it was certainly full of powerful performances. The moment I physically felt like the movie was going on for a while I knew something was off and yet it also felt rushed at the end.
Being part of a broader universe is what wasted some time that should've been serving the main story more.
That final battle needed a bit more time to feel like a struggle. Shuri and Namor struggled through their fight but I kinda wanted to feel that for the other characters. Or at least feel like that battle also had stakes. Almost all the wakanda forces got killed on that ship and yet conviniently no one important felt like they were in danger
Personally, it was my favorite of the 3 movies this year and my 3rd favorite thing Marvel released this year.
Just saw this movie and thought it was great! I think one important take from this movie is that some things can just 'slip through'. In a universe where there is advance technology, magic, time travel, great universe-creating powers; it is easy to feel powerful, omnipotent perhaps. And yet, this one life could not be saved. Some things can be lost forever, and I think this is great for MCU.
I guess we have been very comfortable with a comic book movie where anything is possible, more variants, more universe, that a characters death has somewhat lost it's meaning.
Honestly this movie was soooo honest to god beautiful. I cried 3 times and o honestly have never cried in movies.
1. The Riri story was significant; she was the reason for the conflict, the story won’t move forward without her, Namor is fighting wakanda because of her. The Val story is important, because she represents the CIA/US/WORLD that is trying to take advantage of wakanda’s moments of weakness. Ross was a blast from the past character, but also the double agent who needed to be there to help wakanda.
2. The story’s main themes are so poignant, strong, and impactful and you can really feel it. Like the guy said, it leaves you on the edge of your seat. Talokan is a powerful foe. They are a match to wakanda and if you don’t choose your sides right they might become your enemies (which is what happened). I loves how we actually see the two cultures of wakanda (afrofuturistic) and Talokan (underwater mesoamerican) juxtapose on the themes of cautious modernization, generation trauma and familial grief. It was truly beautiful.
3. Honestly I feel like Riri’s introduction as iron heart could have waited, her friendship and storyline as a young scientist and protege to Shuti was a good start. I also kinda agree that we got a little more of a storyline with Okoye and Aneka, but I know it will come in the show so I’m not concerned.
The best part of the film however was truly Shuri, I cannot say how happy and amazed I am to see a woman finally have that main character journey. The only silver lining of Chadwick’s death (if there is one RIP) is that it pushed Shuri’s story, not as an afterthought of a male hero, but as a necessary one alongside the hero. Her and Queen Ramonda, are the true successors of the throne, but are underestimated because they are woman. The Queen’s struggles of protecting her country, while, Shruri’s struggles uth grief and guilt are so tough to digest.
On an overall note this was a movie worthy of the highest accolade and a beautiful tribute to Chadwick. Ryan, I respect your opinion but it’s here I would like to say that this movie is a little more about just marvel and superheroes and you need to read the underlying tones of race, gender and emotion to fully comprehend it.
Thanks if you read this far lol!
Loved this movie and I totally liked the Riri storyline, case closed! 😅
I thought that Okoye being dismissed was going to show that the queen was letting her emotions rule her and this was not worthy to rule after T’Challa, but then she hits us with that monologue about how Okoye had failed the nation and been the one to insist on taking the princess on a field mission against the queen’s better judgement. It was a nice precursor to the Kilmonger debate later about T’Challa being level headed but too noble, and T’Chaka being too driven to look good like he had a blameless legacy. Then having M’Baku be the voice of reason later showed how far Shuri had been consumed by revenge. Despite its flaws, this movie had many really well done pieces performed by top notch actors.
I love how people say this and that didn't have to be in a movie but when stuff isn't in a movie they complain that they have to put together a storyline themselves.
Give me a 4 hour movie, as long as it's good I'm in!!!
I just need a break to pee.
This movie to me was on par with the first but on different lanes. This was more relatable in light of what happened. Plus it was done in a tasteful way, considering CB was the face of BP.
Imagine if it was as upbeat as the first film? Shuri being happy go lucky, Nakia being provocative and adventurous. Also there is time to develop Okoye's story in future, unfortunately due to CB death, they had to pivot.
Also his son is a way for them to develop the King T'challa story line in future, rather than closing that door completely with not recasting him. This was brilliant.
Hands off to ryan coogler he's a freaking genius, and brilliant director this is not a prefect film ,but he did his best with what he had to work with because of the passing of Chadwick this was a very fun movie action packed superb acting ,and a great storyline CGI/ visual effects was better than the first ,and great way to end phrase 4 on a beautiful note.
Loved this movie, very original, Eternals tried to be original but felt like an MCU project and that plot didn't work for me, this worked for me and truly felt unique. Very DOOMWAR/Wakanda Atlantean War comic book influenced.
MUCH APPRECIATED !
I think some people fell so hard in love with Chadwick, that any decision would be a cardinal sin for them.
For me honestly that was a wonderful movie, they did the best they could, gave justice to Chadwick/T’Challa and were comic accurate with Shuri, plus bad ass introduction with Namor.
Went to cinema my third time yesterday, and I ain’t complaining cause there’s just so much to discover with every new look at it !
I went with like a group of 10 people for a friends Bday, every single person loved it in their own way some of those friends arnt even movie people and they thought it was fantastic. I don't think I will watch it multiple times but outside Ragnarok I have not watch ANY Marvel movie more than once. In my opinion this is one to for sure experience in the theaters. The Chadwick tributes are awesome and I teared up a little myself and I am dead inside hahaha.
No, because you cried, you're ALIVE inside.
I think it’s a bit tone death to say that you wouldn’t care if we never see T’Challa again. It’s about representation. We barely have any front running black male leads that’s why it’s important. The one we have still seem like side characters.
The biggest thing that took me out for a moment was Val’s comment that she had the beads bugged. While that would be very in character, I immediately had questions of when, and HOW would she (or whoever her team is) even know how to do that? It just struck me as very convenient. And it’s probably just there to set up getting Ross out of the CIA and into Wakanda more or less permanently.
Agree. Would have been better if she just assumed correctly that he was lying and arrested him anyway.
The purpose of her bugging the beads, I believe, is to show that the CIA now knows that there is another superpower other than Wakanda and that this is most likely responsible for Ramonda's demise. Future films will almost certainly show them probing around.
Knowing she is the CIA director, the WHEN and HOW questions are simple to answer. I'd expect her to know every single piece of evidence on the "crime scene" before she arrives, and I'd expect her to have guys within the organisation who can tamper with evidence at her command while remaining discreet, and I'd expect her to have those sci-fi microphone transmitters that are thinner than adhesive tapes and invisible to the untrained eye when applied to the beads.
Aww. I remember when me and my dad saw this movie in November last year! Gosh it just brings back memories. Time flys so fast 😭.
I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED this film. Excellent acting, memorable scenes and beautiful scenery. It had real stakes, I mean Riri Williams was an essential part of this movie, she was the "mcguffin" basically, she was the reason for the conflict between Wakanda and Talacon, but she also had personality, you give a damn about her. In my opinion this was one of the most epic movies in the MCU, outside of the AVENGERS movies. If Ryan Coogler doesn't get to direct SECRET WARS, that would be a damn shame. Imo. My rating 9.9/10
I loved this movie too! 😊 I don’t mind the extras because there are so many things coming and it gave me insight into the new shows and tied these isolated worlds to the rest of the Marvel universe…
It sure did work. When you have a grown man fighting back tears at an MCU intro logo, a stinger and going from oh snap to “you know, Namor has a point” … it worked 😊
Chadwick Boseman left a huge void that, unfortunately, is impossible to fill. His gravitas and character was the central force in the first Black Panther. The fact that Black Panther was also couched between Avengers Civil War and Infinity War (during the era when Marvel was at the height of their cohesive storytelling). This entire film feels like we are watching supporting characters carry an entire movie.
I disagree this movie really showed how great the other characters were and gave them more time now that Chadwick wasn’t there anymore. To each their own tho
This makes no sense. Some of the most memorable moments from the first film involved "supporting characters" not tchalla. The "hey auntie meme", nothing to do with him, the colonizer trope, shuri. The "what are those" moment shuri...mbaku threatening ross...okoye throwing her wig... Maybe you need to rewatch the film. T'Challa will be sorely missed but that first film was collective effort that they all carried.
@@chillcago that’s exactly the point. Supporting characters are great when they are the “support”. That’s why the first film worked so well. They were the supporting cast, around a strong compelling central character.
Riri is literally the reason the entire story is happening..... She created the vibranium detector that led them to finding Talokan in the first place. Without Riri there is no reason for the conflict in the story.
yeah thats the point. she‘s just a plot device and not a fleshed out character. you could literally put some guy in a lab coat into the movie instead of her and it wouldn’t really change.
Riri did help lure nemor for the final battle and defeat him .
Honestly Greg gets it. That’s all I’m going to say. Matt had points that had no meat. He is looking for a flavorless movie.
Yeah this guy on the left.... I don't expect everyone to enjoy this movie and that's perfectly fine. But damn He is trying to be that guy
@@chucklez8810 yes and o didn’t want to say anything negative nor in force my views on movie but there was a line that just wasn’t understood and why Ryan stayed maybe he will get that on second viewing. But thats also what made this movie the way it was because it had a lot of emotions and viewpoints.
I appreciated what Greg had to say about his point of view on the movie. I am not surprised how the other two felt about BP:WF.
I did quite enjoy it. Movies are for entertainment value and not to over think it.
And don’t forget, since Chadwick’s passing it’s not possible to judge or compare the first BP and this BP.
I love the parallel between Shuri and Namor. to me it was the best part of this film. I don't think it would have work in the same way with T'Challa
I would LOVE to find out one day what the script was for this movie before it had to be changed. Bc I don't see it either. Namor knew Shuri was new and young and unsure. His angle would never have worked on TChalla.
This is so true
I loved it!!!!! I might be biased but I LOVED seeing raza on the big screen. It was refreshing our history was input into the movie it was absolutely brilliant .
This movie was amazing
The only movies in Phase 4 that I walked out “satisfied and happy” were Shang Chi, SP NWH, & now BP2
Oh man, I love your video's so much!! The best of all the Marvel movie channels!!!
The problem is that we know too much. We know what projects will be released later on down the line so every character they’ll introduce will now be “set up” or a “commercial” rather than just a cool character, cameo that moved the plot forward.
Riri Williams created the device that allowed other countries to search for vibranium. Why is the world now searching for more vibranium? T,challa blew the whistle on that so now namor is holding wakanda and riri responsible for putting his people in danger. Makes a lot of sense to me. But it just so happens that we know she’s getting her own show so now it looks bad and doesn’t seem necessary. Her character in this movie was similar to that of a Helen Choi from age ultron and war machine wrapped up in one.
This movie was incredible! The new take on Namor was phenomenal! Absolutely phenomenal.
I knew Shuri would become the new black panther, leticia was good but she just doesn’t have the fan adoration like Chadwick. No one cheered when she was revealed as the black panther in her ok new suit.
Seeing Namor finally on screen with his ankle wings and flying in and out of the ocean just like the comics, PERFECT. Angela Bassett gave best performance of her career!
Danai and Lupita were both exceptional, and I LOVED the unexpected appearance of Julia L-D as Valentina Allegra de Fontaine!!
The visuals were outstanding in this movie, the emotion was raw, the love letter to Chadwick hit me hard.
10/10
The constantly setting up the next tv show or movie is MCU's current problem.
I’m really enjoying your videos they’re the best keep up the great work love the dog🐶
I rarely cry during fictitious movies because it just doesn't get to me on a deep level. In this movie I cried right from the start and was close to really breaking down. Of course that's because of Chadwick's passing but that will always make this movie special for me.
with all due respect, I highly disagree with your opinion Ryan. This film was exceptional. It did so many things ESPECIALLY for culture and for BIPOC. It tackled the idea of grief with perfection. The “side plots” in my opinion were absolutely necessary, with Val, dealing with the ending of the first Black Panther; opening up to the world of course it will have its consequences and having Val become the new director of the CIA makes so much sense for the future. As for Riri Williams, it introduced her in the perfect way and it has us very excited to see her in the future of the MCU. It honestly bothers me how most of the criticism comes for non BIPOC. But overall I loved this movie & it is definitely the best out of Phase 4, hands down.
Seriously..it was pathetic..slow in the first half..builds for an escalation which never happens..stupid ending.. the plan to defeat namor was idiotic..apart from initial funeral for tchalla ..nothing works in the film
TBH..No one apart from you is even a wee bit exited to see Ree Ree williams comical iron man ripoff
As a poc I didn’t enjoy it very much I liked black Adam more black panther 2 was slow at part sooo ehhhh but it was still good I just didn’t enjoy it as much as I thought I would
Couldn’t agree more. A major criticism is that it felt like set up for content down the line which is unfortunate cause even if the story is good and makes sense, it will still get negatively critiqued since we know so much of what’s coming next. Riri had more development and was more enjoyable than a lot of side characters from previous marvel movies.
This was a great follow up to the first movie. We’re seeing the repercussions of T’challa revealing the real wakanda to the rest the world, amazing villain with a believable motive, and a great character arc for shuri. It’s definitely in the top two best movies in phase 4 for me. Right up there with no way home.
You must be an out of touch democrat or black Karen
Claim the ""I saw this video when the title said WAKDNA instead of Wakanda" ticket here
Lol
Is it me, like am I looking too deep into that title...lol WAKDNA, like who has WHACK DNA my guy..lol
WAKDNA 5 hours later.
The bridge fight was hands down the best fight in the movie. Stakes were high, choreography was superb, and the emotions felt real.