Why HULK (2003) Is Actually the First Movie in the MCU
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We think Hulk (2003) is secretly the first film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here's why.
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@screenCrush so you’re just going to ignore BLADE?😐
Blade was the first successful modern Marvel movie, it came out in 1998.
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the incredible hulk (2008) and hulk (2003) are just too closely connected for them to be separate entities. since watching hulk (2003) recently for the first time in years, i think it’s overhated immensely. it deserves a spot in the mcu.
It's just as much part of the mcu now as the spidey and X-Men films are retroactively.
That Hulk film somehow always fit but now everything does after phase 4.
Doesn’t explain how he lost the ability to grow in size the angrier he gets if it’s supposed to be the same Hulk
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 i thought the same thing, but u could just say since hulk was in his infancy he could change in size
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 they can just make Eric Bana’s hulk one of those alternate time line
It wouldn't make any sense for them be connected considering 2008 hulk simply just bruce using unstable super solder serum while mixed with gamma radiation trying recreated what created captain america while ang lee version is just all repressed trauma being manifest thanks to gamma rays and nanomads
imagine all three iterations of hulk in one movie. one literally looks like a green blob and no one questions it.
After the success of nwh, that wouldn't shock me to see at all!
Banner: Into The Hulkverse!
Which one looked like a green blob?
Norton & ruffalo are the same hulk
Four - Lou Ferrigno FTW !!
This movie will always have a place in my heart I never understood the negative feedback this hulk was badass
same, with quite a few movies actually
So nostalgic 🥲
I think it had a lot to do with the fact that Ang Lee, who was known as an “art film” director, wanted to do something that audiences then weren’t ready for.
Now, this would be a Disney+ show.
@@Rnyargd You could easily mistake it for something by Sam Raimi. Particularly Darkman.
@@CantankerousDave 💯Great Observation!
This movie was a total showcase, I mean a tour de force, of Hulk's powers. He leapt across terrain, flung tanks, smashed copters, turned a missile into a boomerang, ran around canyons...amazing.
Yeah but the normal civilians also had super powers like never dying apparently there was a scene where a helicopter crash or was knocked out of the sky and all of the pilots were fine.
@@isaacpaz9287 I remember that trick since the G.I. Joe cartoons.
Don't forget the giant dogs
@@johntuel2375 Yeah I used to hate on them...still do somewhat. But they served as baddies that Hulk could actually decimate...he couldn't whip Talbot into a tree or rip his jaws apart.
I just watched all the MCU movies with my brother, who hadn't seen any of them. And we started with Hulk (2003). I agree, it can be seen as a prequel to The Incredible Hulk.
TOTALLY💚
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez chill fool. He didn't even say he watched it as a "Canon" movie.
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez it's that serious. Lol why you mad? Let people think the Hulk tv series with Lou Ferrigno is MCU it doesn't matter.
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez I'm furious lmao
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez People can't comprehend storytelling anymore. They just make up bullshit in their heads
This is literally one of my biggest arguments I have with people. When Ed Norton Hulk came out I saw all the connections and called it a sequel up till this day
Apparently you missed the biggest thing with them having 2 different origins.
@@Einlanzer83 could be chalked up to the government lying easily
@@Einlanzer83 Ed Norton once said that his Hulk film is technically a sequel to Bana's Hulk.
@@mottom2657
Doesn't really matter what he said. 1) He got replaced. 2) Bana Hulk wasn't produced by Marvel Studios. 3) plot doesn't line up
It was originally a sequel, they asked Eric Bana to return for the 2008 film but he declined so they went with another actor. It’s just strange that at the end of The Hulk he ends up in South America and in The Incredible Hulk he starts out in Brazil, weird
A very underrated film imo
Hope Eric Bana makes a cameo in Secret Wars As his version of hulk
Him teaming up with our hulk and seeing them smashing things up would be awesome
What if they bring back Eric Bana's Hulk back as Maestro from a distant future from the first Hulk movie
@@gluebreeza1999 that’s a possibility
A big and epic one
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez They would ruin his character if he came back, its wise of him to steer clear.
I totally agree!!
@Emmanuelle Rodriguez Garfield said many many times he wasn't part of NWH, and then...
I have actually been considering them all continuity since The Incredible Hulk came out. The opening was so telling that it was intended as a spiritual sequel.
I spent part of my childhood living in the specific desert-backed military housing on George AFB in Victorville, CA where the "Banner family" sequences of Ang Lee's HULK were shot. Thank you so very much for beginning to vindicate this movie from its undeserved shame shadow. It's the only MARVEL movie I can watch and say "I can see my house from here!"
I loved the first hulk movie in 2003. It still to this day is the only superhero movie properly formatted to look like a comic strip came to life. Plus, I appreciate that they included the hulk’s ability to grow in size and strength with rage.
Hulk isn't supposed to grow larger as he gets angrier. He's supposed to get stronger
I totally agree. This movie is so under appreciated. The comic book panel cinematography, Nick Nolte was amazing. Plus I’ve always had a Screen crush on Jennifer Connelly. (See why I did there)
I had a Vision or two of Jennifer myself (see what I did THERE)?😂😂)
ASS TO ASS!!! 😏 ..(see what I did there?)
the comic book stuff was goofy and didn't work with the tone of the rest of the movie imo
Yes! Thank you! I thought I was the only one who felt that the 2003 Hulk was the true start of the MCU. Bravo!
All it would take is one bonus scene in Secret Invasion, introducing Nick Fury's father Nick Senior, played by David Hasselhoff, to make his TV movie the first MCU title.
Doesn't work. Too many characters from that movie, like Val and Alexander Pierce and Strucker and Zola and Dum Dum Dugan, are in the MCU.
@@MrBazBake time travel shenanigans caused that probably
I've always in my head cannon considered the opening to Incredible Hulk not his initial transformation but his possible first attempt to cure himself which could have made Hulk more savage and unpredictable just like every attempt to find a cure in the comics led to unforseen results gives it another perspective if you look at it this way
nice!
I've always considered Ang Lee's Hulk MCU canon. For all the reasons laid in the video. Also, it provides a richer backstory and explains banners and hulk's growth throught the other films, something you dont get if you dont consider his full journey.
Same here and it was obvious that it was. Only people who hated the movie says that it wasn’t.
You're wrong and all official MCU statements clearly say that.
@@unwashedheathen4897 The incredible hulk HAS to at least be a sequel in the director's head canon. It seems to flow perfectly.
@@MrGuitarJockey No, it doesn't. You just want it to be. That rationale makes no sense.
@@unwashedheathen4897 Why are you so worried about it, man? They're just movies. Im just saying he got some inspiration from it. Which is still a fact whether you like it or not.
In She-Hulk he does say his blood converted gamma radiation because of a mutation…and something about the way he is acting and delivering the line suggested regret or sadness.
it was of the super soldier serum she inherited from him coupled with the gamma as well in the experimentation
I remember when i was like 6 and they were planning the Hulk sequel. I was young and didn’t have social media when the Incredible Hulk came out so i assumed for years, way too long, that The Incredible Hulk was a sequel to Hulk. All the reasons you said were things I assumed.
I have always had Ang Lee's "Hulk" organized on my shelf right before "Iron Man" and the other MCU movies. It always seemed to work well as the first movie in my head cannon, so thanks for giving me harder evidence.
Eric's Hulk got bigger as he got angrier I love that movie.
Actually Blade was the first MCU film. It was even the film first done by Marvel Studios itself. It's the grandfather of all modern super hero movies and still holds up.
Howard The Duck, 1986.
But yeah, love Blade.
It depends on what they do with the new Blade. It could be that Wesley Snipes Blade is a variant from a different universe, but they haven't said yet.
You clearly didn't pay attention to the first 5 minutes of clarification on what he's arguing for in this video, did you?
@@theentertainmentchannel9524 I didn't watch it. I got 30 seconds in and pulled the rip cord. My bad.
What if the flashback scene in The Incredible Hulk wasn’t the origin, what if Betty & Bruce was trying to cure himself of the Hulk and Ross shows up and causes a transformation and he accidentally hurts Betty and that’s why he went in the run. He left South America back to the U.S. to meet up with Betty and Ross found out and after this transformation, he went to Brazil as Hulk and that’s where Bruce settled.
The incredible Hulk happens during Fury's Big Week in 2011
I knew I wasn’t crazy when I thought it was a sequel/reboot to Hulk 2003
I LOVE this movie. Not to say I don't see its weaknesses. I used to laugh hardest at the gamma doggies, but they're so distorted and beastly that we get the first look at Hulk against living opponents without holding back....he snuffs their super-canine asses.
To me the intro of the INCREDIBLE HULK was instead of the accident that created the Hulk, was just an experiment done by Banner with the help of Ross and Betty to cure Banner of the Hulk, which with the Gamma radiation from the chair and the cheap super soldier serum in turn caused an alteration on the Hulk and created the accident where both Ross and Betty were hurt.
At least that is my interpretation of the events, and It would make sense that within the context. This was the way that the originally intended Gray Hulk was going to be made, and if one looks at the 2008 Hulk, it is instead of Green, he is more of a Green/Gray color. We can call him then Savage Hulk, creating a contrast with the original on the 2003 movie that we could just indeed refer to as just plain Hulk. This also would explain that the 2003 version's power was unstable, hence the angrier he would get, the bigger and stronger he got, but then with the alteration by the second accident the 2008 Hulk with the change became weaker in comparison and looks different. As time passes, then the Avengers Hulk is a look that seems to where he started changing as we see throughout the first Avengers movie and forward on the other films.
That's pretty much how I treated it because the film fits too well with the MCU films. I loved this film and the complaints about it only highlight the problem with making solo Hulk films. Most people don't want the drama that comes with a Hulk centric story. They don't want to see Banner do his best to stay calm or look for a cure. This was also proven again with Smart Hulk. Most people don't want that. They want the rage filled monster destroying things and pummeling equally sized monsters. Comic purists will always find something to nitpick as well, never being satisfied unless it is exactly like the comics. As a fan of both mediums, I understand that films do not have the same advantage as comics. Comics can tell a story over long periods of time and while the MCU has definitely proven it can do something similar, there are still limitations. And sometimes, things have to change for the better to fit in with main narrative. A good example of that for me is Ego being Star Lord's father in the films. This was a much better choice than what it was in the comics. Thanos' reasoning for the Snap was also better than in the comics as I never liked he was doing it just to court Death. That put a layer of dastardly cheese over a huge event.
I have always said this about the Hulk movies. Norton’s Hulk picks up where Bana’s left off and the fact that they didn’t repeat Hulk’s origin for MCU worked in their favor.
Okay. This was brilliant. And I also liked most of Ang Lee's film for what it was--an origin story. As a bonus, they could have brought back Sam Elliott to play Ross for current films in the pipeline. He has played some excellent villains.
I agree that The Incredible Hulk is a direct sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk because that movie started where the last movie ended. And the events from Ang Lee's Hulk were referenced in the movie like the military dealing with the Hulk crisis for 5 years. Despite the whole characters from the Hulk movie getting recast I would say it's a half sequel and half reboot just like James Gunn's The Suicide Squad and the upcoming Deadpool 3. With a lot of Hulk characters returning to the MCU, Absorbing Man and Betty Ross should return as well. But if they're going to make a solo Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, Thunderbolt Ross (Red Hulk) or Absorbing Man or Gray Hulk could be great choices for it's villain.
I feel like Ed Norton's Hulk was more of a sequel to a reboot of Eric Bana's Hulk. This biggest change is his origin involving his dad. I feel like a better argument could be made that 2003's Hulk was in a different universe in the multiverse than the MCU which is why they are close yet not the same.
I think the incredible hulk is a reboot but keeps majority of the backstory of the original movie. They were definitely supposed to be in the same timeline originally but after they changed it to be in the mcu, they switched a few things.
The changes weren't made to put it in the MCU. The changes were made by Edward Norton who contractually was allowed to make rewrites and changes.
He wanted to do it because he was arrogant. Marvel accepted it in his contract because there wasn't "the MCU" yet and they felt they needed the star power of him to get things going.
Thankfully, Iron Man was the major hit between the two movies (Iron Man & The Incredible Hulk) released back then, giving Marvel the strength to stand on their own. This is why Edward Norton was recast with Mark Ruffalo - Norton didn't play well with others. And much like Eric Bana's 2003 Hulk, for a long time Edward Norton's 2008 Hulk was also left ambiguously out of canon (until very recently).
Ironically, Universal trying to copy the MCU made the EXACT same problem with Tom Cruise when attempting to launch their Dark Universe with Tom Cruise in The Mummy (2017). They also gave the big shot the power to rewrite the script, which he did, which then bombed horribly.
I agree. Hulk should be considered the first movie in the MCU
You have to admit that tank fight scene kicked ass.
Compelling argument...I'm in! Hulk (2003) is such an underrated movie too.
Pretty sure 2000s "X-Men" is, giving Feige being the producer behind it
Kevin Fiege confirmed a few years back that Agents of Shield and the Netflix series' were not canon to the main MCU timeline. I think the fact that in She Hulk his cousin, Uncle, and Aunt know him well yet never mention his parents either. I think it's very plausible they are connected.
Can you cite the claim about Fiege? I've been circling this debate for a while and have not heard that.
This idea came into my head when i was about 10. Its interesting to see other people acknowledge it.
This feels like a MAJOR stretch. Most of it is just script remnants from when The Incredible Hulk was going to be a sequel to Hulk or common elements from past versions of the character
Props for the Wayne's World 2 line about Keith Richards. Excellent!
I thought I was the only one thinking about this. But all evidence points to yes, Reboot/Sequel. For Me it was seeing Eric Bana Hulk ending up in the Amazon and Finding Edward Nortons Hulk in Brazil. Thanks ScreenCrush for this more indepth theory.
You convinced me, this one is going in my next MCU rewatch!
I thought this movie was okay though I prefer Incredible Hulk. Also I already know at least part of this will be how when Incredible Hulk first came out the movie subtly implied that it was more a soft reboot/sequel to Hulk than totally know.
I've been saying this forever. And people have never really been able to argue with me because they haven't seen Ang Lee's Hulk or they forgot what happened in it. But, I mean, yeah, it's really obvious these movies are connected.
I remember reading they planned a sequel for ang lees hulk but was scrapped and then reworked for the Incredible Hulk. Which explains why ang lees movie ends in Latin America while the new movie starts there
Bruce's origin story in Hulk is actually incredibly accurate..
One thing that hasn't been addressed is that Ang Lee's Hulk not only gets stronger with his rage but gets physically bigger. MCU Hulk doesn't get physically bigger. Kind of a big difference.
I thought about that too. But then I remembered that he had the fight st the end of the movie with his father who was trying to absorb his strength. That would have certainly balanced out the growing rage monster that we saw into a more steady and consistent hulk following (similar to teens going through puberty, eventually their hormones find balance, but this accelerated by the fight with his father), and them we don't see him turn again to see the after effects of the balance.
Subsequently, this also sets up the groundwork for how Banner is able to eventually (after the events of TIH) gain control of when he turns for the events of The Avengers. Quite a lot of growth the character went through, even further adding weight to his shock in She-Hulk Attorney at Law when she is able to control it within days of her first Hulk-out.
Have always said this. Good job bringing together the points. Lets hope marvel doesn't ruin the next hulk film bringing together Universal. I appreciate the properties not being under a monopoly.
Bro actually drenched himself for the promotion. Dedication 💪
Honestly I've been saying this for years... It doesn't fit that well but it was totally a re-quel so it does belong somewhat. I would love to see variant banners Bana and Norton reprise their roles in secret wars or another movie. Making the movie at least tangentially related.
About the Bruce flashbacks how the Hulk was borned, is worth to note that in the Incredible Hulk (2008) while Bruce/Norton was hiding in Brazil, is showed that he watches 70/80's soup operas and an easter egg is the appereace of Bill Bixby on TV. That might explain why he merges two "origins stories" as part of the "re-quel".
This is a brilliant theory!
Always considered as part of it and Norton’s as a sequel. It really started it all for the MCU.
I've been arguing this same point for over a decade. My personal MCU began with Ang Lee's Hulk
I've actually seen "Japanese Spider-Man" and its pretty amazing. He rides a motorcycle like any good Japanese Superhero and when he crawls on the wall its clearly just the floor painted to look like a wall.
Doesn’t he also have a traditional Japanese giant robot?
In the MCU multiverse, every Marvel film/TV/animated show is canon in some universe.
You could even remove The Incredible Hulk from the timeline completely without affecting Hulk's storyline in the MCU.
Hey man strange thought here, Eric Bana and Edward Norton were such profoundly strong individuals for the time that Kang (Jonathan Majors) pruned them, allowing Mark to be instated as the Hulk. This would allow the two predecessors to come back in a secret ward level as a trio of potential red hulks that can as well, break the fourth wall and cause kang some serious conflict aside the rest of the marvel legion?
I always felt like the 2008 Hulk was hedging it's bets so audiences could either see it as a sequel or reboot. Bit like Snake Eyes and Bumblebee both act a bit like prequels and a bit like reboots.
Love the Ang Lee Hulk. It was fun. Can't afford the shoes though. Will just be wearing sandals when it's raining outside or be barefoot like the Hulk. 💚💚💚💚💪💪💪💪
Is it a MCU movie? Yes, i’ve always thought this for reasons stated. Is it the first MCU? No, Howard The Duck was in Guardians of the Galaxy but also in his own eponymous movie aka Howard The Turkey (1986), his appearance in GotG explains why we never got a sequel to his original movie
Turkey?
@@TheMrCHELL That’s what a number of critics called it at the time - I remember seeing it at the cinema after getting free promo tickets from the local radio station and thinking “Thank goodness I didn’t pay for these”
Howard was also in Avengers Endgame.
@@SighManP I was at the convention where Stan Lee made the announcement that it was in development. He had just asked the floor to say what movies they "knew" were in the works, and was greeted with shouts of "X-Men!" "Fantastic Four!" "Captain America!" "Doctor Strange!" and others. He let it go on for a minute, and said "Wow, that's really strange, because the ONLY project that*I've* heard about in the works is Howard The Duck." You could have heard a pin drop. Or several jaws. NOBODY in the room was prepared for that. I'm from CLEVELAND, and I'd never heard that. Anyway, by the time it came out, I was back home in the Cleveland area, and I was really excited to go see it, even though it hadn't been filmed anywhere near the city and NOTHING in it looked like Cleveland. Man, was I disappointed. Obviously, so was the studio, at its performance.
finally! someone who's agreeing with what I've been saying for YEARS!
Maybe in the minority, I loved Ang Lee’s Hulk. To me, it was ahead of its time.
I've always thought that the 2003 Hulk movie was part of the Marvel Cinematic universe - even without the people who made the 2008 Hulk movie stating that it was originally supposed to be a sequel/reboot hybrid.
That main theme from Danny Elfman is still perfect to this day. Really wish they kept that.
As for Nick Nolte returning in the future, I'd love it, no questions. He absolutely chewed the scenery in this film and I loved every second of it. Sam Elliot was also a very good Thunderbolt. I don't have doubts about Harrison Ford taking over the role, but I have to wonder if they even considered or approached Elliot about coming back because that'd be a way to keep the character around longer as I highly doubt Ford is going to do it long term.
Here's the real kicker. Into The Spiderverse already has connections to alot of things (Japanese Spiderman, 60s Spiderman) but the floodgates really open up about the multiverse if the rumors are true about Holland or any of the live action Spiderman appearing in the sequel. That means anything that's ties to that movie will be multiverse Canon and not alot of people are discussing that imo.
I think most people were at a point of accepting everything as "Muktiversal Canon" since Marvel confirmed the multiverse rumors (that had been circulating since Endgame) when they dropped Loki.
So it doesn't get brought up because its basically head canon for everyone. The really interesting conversation to have is about the details of things to see if they fit inside the MCU prime timeline (which I refuse to call 616 because Fiege initially didn't and I stand with Iman Vellani's arguments)
@@theentertainmentchannel9524 Your refusal to call the MCU the 616 timeline can be concretely supported by the fact that the authority which designates timeline numbers is the Captain Britain Corps, and they have already designated the prime MCU timeline as 199999. The variant offshoots of it (The Quaked/Gravitoned Earth timeline and No-Snap timelines from Agents of SHIELD, the Thanos-comes-forward-in-time universe from the last act of Endgame, etc) would be different designations, but I don't know what they are.
Dude... you just detailedly corroborated what I already knew, as you mentioned, events of Norton's Hulk smoothly follows Bana's Hulk.
100% with you! can't say i could've elaborated as well but i always include Ang Lee's Hulk when i watch the MCU with a purpose
There's a cut scene from Thor Ragnarok where Banner talks about his absent father's death which conflicts with 2003. But being that it was cut gives more credit to 2003 being more canonical.
I was born in 99 and growing up 2003 hulk I loved sooo freaking much
SNOW PIERCER is sequel of CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY 1971.
I love this movie for what it does well.
I remember when TIH was coming out, many of mentions of it on morning shows, or TV reviews of it, referred to it as a loose sequel, or a stylistically update continuation. I certainly went into it with the view that it was Hulk 2. Which wasn't quelled by the opening credits, as you mentioned.
I’ve only ever fallen asleep in a movie theater twice in 40 years. One was at Ang Lee’s Hulk. Never watched it again after.
i always saw the incredible hulk as a sequel. The 2003 HULK is under appreciated. The fight with the dogs stuck with me and i loved the soundtrack of the movie.
Anyone else notice that time lapses are often used as "5?" 5 year time gap in the Hulk movies, the Blip was 5 years and so forth. I wonder why that is....
“Often”. It literally happened 2 times lol. In completely different situations
I used to work with someone with the same first, middle and last name I have. His brother was Jim Aparo and worked for DC comics. So, it's always possible to encounter someone with your name.
The Danny Elfman music was so tense in the best ways
Love this movie
"Hulk" is very much not set in the MCU! "The Incredible Hulk"[2008], which contradicts it in numerous ways in it's opening credits sequence, is.
Would blow my mind if Kang was somehow involved and somehow removed the two previous banners and replaced them with the current one for whatever the plot may be there.
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Ahhh, THIS is why I subscribe to SC. Ryan always makes a damn good case, especially in this one. 🙏👍
This was the best character study of the hulk we’ve seen on screen I think. The older I got the more I enjoyed Ang Lee’s Hulk
I literally had this conversation while watching Incredible Hulk yesterday. This is tripping me the F out.
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Yes, awesome! Thank you for doing this. During the height of the pandemic when we were all inside doing crazy things, our household was a part of putting all of the MCU timeline together as one epic, singular, long chronological movie. & I made the same argument here! I did not have as many facts as you, but the intro especially among other factors was a large part of the discussion. Out of the high respect we hold for your channel, this video has settled the debate. Thank you human!
The way I choose to interpret it is that all 3 actors are variants from different timelines. Even Edward Norton. I like to think in the MCU 616 Mark Ruffalo Hulk went through everything exactly the same. So I guess that could be extended to the first Hulk movie as well. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's 616 canon though.
hulk 2003 isnt from mcu
Danny Elfmans hulk score actually sounds pretty similar to the 70s show’s music too! I like that hulks soundtrack is linked
The reason why the Incredible Hulk movie didn't give a full on back story to the Bruce character was because it had been already done, and no need to rehash it. It's not as if MCU isn't known to do this. Example. Did we need a second back story to Spiderman Homecoming? No the first spider movie in the MCU just continued the story because we all know his origin. So does that mean it's a continuation of Tobey Mcguires Spiderman? Of course not.
Yes I always consider "Hulk" to be canon with the MCU. 😉 I also made up my own MCU with the non-MCU Marvel movies canon, starting with "Blade".
For me, the two different Talbots is explained by making them brothers (and giving the 2003 Talbot a different first name, I picked William after Glenn's nephew William Matthew Talbot in the comics who's often called just Matt Talbot); and 2003 Talbot's death contributed to the MCU Talbot's increasing distrust towards superhumans.
Even if they don't bring back David Banner (it's obvious he's killed off for real), maybe they'll at least have Bruce mention his bad childhood in a way that wouldn't contradict "Hulk".
Though there's one thing you didn't bring up: Bruce got adopted after his mom died and his dad sent away in "Hulk", while in the MCU, he's in touch with his cousin Jennifer and her family.
Amen, MarvelBrother.
My perspective is that the film itself isn't exactly canon per se, but the story is essentially how the story for MCU Hulk went and so works as the explanation.
Technically the first Raimi Spider-Man is the first since it already exists in the MCU multiverse.
Even if it was part of the MCU, Spiderman 2002 would be the first MCU movie.
MCU means cinematic universe which means movies linked to each other canonically, spiderman 2002 is linked to the rest of them so it is the same cinematic universe which is the mcu.
Blade 98
@@nicoepotts6452 not Mcu
It hasn’t been canonically linked to any other Mcu movies
Ever since ‘08 I thought Incredible Hulk was following up Ang Lee’s version in ‘03. Glad I’m not the only one
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That Japanese Spider-Man was a straight up killer!
6:50 But the MCU Spider-Man didn’t get an origin story either, he just mentions that he got bitten 6 months ago in Civil War
Am I the only one who thinks Banner's childhood backstory just adds layers of authenticity to The Hulk? I didn't think it subtracted. I also thought it was cool that Hulk's size grew with his level of rage....although could have done without that.
Sorry for the tone of this, I copied it from a comment I left on someone else's comment. But I think it speaks to the "layers" you're talking about. Here you go:
"...then I remembered that he had the fight st the end of the movie with his father who was trying to absorb his strength. That would have certainly balanced out the growing rage monster that we saw into a more steady and consistent hulk following (similar to teens going through puberty, eventually their hormones find balance, but this accelerated by the fight with his father), and them we don't see him turn again to see the after effects of the balance.
Subsequently, this also sets up the groundwork for how Banner is able to eventually (after the events of TIH) gain control of when he turns for the events of The Avengers. Quite a lot of growth the character went through, even further adding weight to his shock in She-Hulk Attorney at Law when she is able to control it within days of her first Hulk-out."
@@theentertainmentchannel9524 When this version of Absorbing Man (First viewing, I thought it was a version of Doc Samson) took properties of something, he didn't weaken the original material. The father, with a combination perhaps of wanting his son to be free, but also wanting more power, only SAID he was taking from Hulk. He obviously took nothing.
In the thumbnail, Hulk sure looks like the bit in Big Trouble in Little China when Thunder literally explodes with rage.
Wolverine vs Gray Hulk was a fun comic. Logan antagonizing Hulk by replacing all of his pants with purple pants 😅
Excellent video! This has been my personal theory for over a decade.
In some strange way, I feel like I’ve only just registered that the dog is not actually talking
A Joe Fixit vs Mr. Knight story would be amazing, can’t believe I’ve never thought of this before😂