Controller Latency Feels Bad Man
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Good stuff Cris, a GPU Scaling VS Display Scaling input lag test in various competitive games would be highly appreciated, thanks man!
Ok so youve ruined my night. I use an xbox elite and did all the overclocking but have always wondered why it still feels clunky and super unresponsive and you have just debunked it. heartbreaking to be honest because i quite like the controller but yep, 7ms delay makes sense and im going to sus a gambit. Great video as always thanks.
I'm gonna sell my PC and become an aim assist enjoyer
Or just plug in a controller…..
Got u @Thorxxn
Why sell your pc just play pc controller
Hey Fr33thy, love your content man. But I figured out something recently, not sure if you’ve covered this, but I was having issues with my ps5 controller registering what I thought was double input or input lag even though it’s oc. Xinput was reading the input as 0.2ms so I didn’t think that was the issue. Then I read somewhere that audio sample bitrate being too high can cause peripheral input delay too! I turned it down to 16bit, and now things are fixed!
How do you change the audio sample bitrate?
@@angelrobles23 you go to your sound settings and then go to which ever sound device you’re using and select “properties”. From there you can change the sample bit rate for that device
Awesome Video Chris. I have the Vertrix Controller (OC) and absolutely love it. Thanks to you! I bought an Xbox Elite Series 2 Controller after playing with the Vertrix (OC), and I couldn't do it. It was So So Slow. It felt like going from a Ferrari to a go-kart! I instantly returned the Xbox elite Controller. After overclocking your Controller, it will ruin you. Everything else will feel so slow. It's like going from a high refresh Monitor, down to 60hz!!!
Thanks Chris
Cheers 🍻
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damn.. have the same problem since some weeks... can't get rid of the missing thumbs in win 10
can you do a video on overclocking past 1000 hz on dual sense ps5 controller?
How do you overclock ps5 controller to 8000 kHz polling rate I’ve seen people do it but you don’t show how to do it I wanna overclocking to 8000 hz polling rate
It will cause fps drop and stutters unless you have a top notch cpu
Does the Overclock stay onboard the Controller Chip? Or only on PC when the application is running etc.?
Good stuff Chris, not enough people know the disadvantages of the series x controllers which have like 14ms delay via Bluetooth on pc
This controller does not do 1000hz stable (at least the one I got). It shows .9 to 1ms delay but it jumps sporadically up to 8-9ms so the average ends up being 500hz even when set to 1000hz OC. It is however stable at 500hz with an average delay of 1.9 ms compared to the average 3.9 ms at 250hz straight out the box. So without even messing with anything this is still much better than regular xbox controllers but it falls slightly short of Playstation controllers with 1ms higher delay, but I'll take 500hz 1.9 ms delay over 125hz 8 ms like normal xbox controllers any day.
Does your gambit Controller have stick drift now???
After 3 months in use?
if you can run far cry 6 at 60 or 70 frames and the input delay is 6 or 7 frames on WIN10 on any setup, controller or mouse which it is always. THEN adding 4 ms to 6x16ms makes NO difference. its WIN 10 and optimization of AAA games. battlenonsense showed how bad input delay is on games . god of war has 120 ms delay on ps5 out of the box and you can get it down to 45ms on win10, no matter the framerate. 4 ms improvement MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
I don't get it, is the Xbox delay still present when the controller is plugged in wired??
Yes the victrix gambit overclock remains on the controller. The new victrix pro bfg for Xbox can’t be overclocked though just fyi
Just fyi, the ps5 controllers have new bug with hidusb where you set the polling rate to 1000, the bitrate goes to 4. To get the 1 bitrate, switch to 8000 polling rate instead of 1000. Cheers
Thanks for this! Just did what you said it's at Bitrate 1, do we have to keep it at 8000 polling rate for now till / if the bug gets fixed?
@@D__Sync my bad, just seen this. yes, ive kept mine at 8000 without issue
@@cbarrshiz Thanks bud!
Its not bug. Its interval on the list… Like counting from top to bottom. Number 1 is 8000. Number 2 is 4000 and so on… it has nothing to do with anything at all but displaying number on the list lol
Interesting because a lot of pro apex player use Xbox controllers too
Pls do a video on nvcleaninstall
This so sad man, all these Videos don't even apply to me cause I have EMI/ rfi lag and there's really no fix for it. And your pc becomes unusable.
then move house or get a ups and enable spread spectrum. it's probably in your head but I'd it's not and you have bad power I can't help you fix it. my man here needs an electrician.
@@FR33THY I've tried a ups, doesn't work. I've tried an electrician and nothing. Only fix is to move houses lol. Its sad fr
I'd love to see chris' experience and perspective on linux gaming. i dont expect it to be smooth or stable 100% of the time. and i don't expect him to stick with it. it would be nice to hear his opinion though.
I noticed using an Xbox 360 gamepad on PC felt a lot laggier than when I started up my PS3 for the first time in ages. I never got into any of this polling rate/overclocking stuff yet but out of the box the difference was huge, despite FPS on the PS3 being much worse, and having a very stable and fast gaming PC(10900K, NVMe etc). The difference in gamepad latency was clearly noticeable already without any tweaks.
EDIT: To be clear this was BEFORE watching this video and hearing that Playstation gamepads actually have lower latency(PS3 counts as well right, since it definitely felt more responsive).
@@Bar.C ?
If you using overlay for tekken 7 that unlock 60fps to 300. OC controller it's must have thing. Good video!
every time I switch from default to 1000, a blue information exclamation point pops up
i'm in a really weird spot rn. MW2 on my PC feels like absolute trash when i use my elite series 2 and not great with the series x stock controller. I overlocked both but they still don't feel right. The series x stock is better which sucks because the elite 2 is so much more expensive and allat. My only options seems to be to pick up a dualshock 4 i guess but it's such a big change. I'm awful at MnK and i'd preferably stick with controller for certain FPS. Idk what to do.
what do you think about Thrustmaste controllers Chris? thanks
first
Win 10 vs win 11 for gaming..I like to chase the highest fps possible i got 3080ti and i7 9700k ..240hz zowie monitor 24.5inch
ok
Mw2 reports it now for overclocked controllers.
Razer Wolverine v2 Chroma is also 250hz by default, wasn't able to overclock to 1000 though.
great info man, thanks. im a keyboard and mouse guy mostly but my little couisins all play with xbox controllers
What about the 8BitDo Pro 2 Controller ? do you have any idea if that can be Oc to 1ms ?
Hello please should I capped fps in all my games?
and how i know i need to cap or not please
Do u have much experience testing a Astro c40 controller?
J’ai le contrôleur victrix, le taux d’interrogation est de 125hz, la latence interne du système est la même que pour un contrôleur xbox officiel. ils jouent simplement sur le coup de gâchette qui est même beaucoup trop court, et après 1 mois d’utilisation, il arrive que les boutons se déclenchent eux-mêmes
What about the elite 2? Is it locked as well?
ive got one of these and you can mess with the deadzone and a bunch of other stuff with the software 2 year warranty as well because im hard on the stix and always get drift so thats nice
i cant open this :(
Bout to become the fastest aim assisted shooter in the galaxy
If u overclock this controller on pc then take it to Xbox does the overclock remain in the controller? Or it’s dependent on the 3rd party being run while plugged into usb?…. This controller looks nice n promising. I like PS4 n ps5 scuf for pc. but Xbox I was using eswap s thrustmaster which feels really responsive n amazingly accurate but durability has been poor for mine. Already had to replace thumbsticks after minimal usage. Also it’s grip isnt rubber it’s slick plastic
Yes the victrix gambit overclock remains on the controller, other do not. But I did test a $35 pdp controller from Walmart and that overclock worked on the Xbox. Pdp is the parent company of victrix which is why I’m assuming the overclock sticks. The new victrix pro bfg for Xbox can’t be overclocked though just fyi
do you need that overclock software running in the background/minimized in order for it to be taking affect or ?
No it OC your usb port that has your wired connected so you don't need it running in background
Please redo the Win 7/8.1 A-Z series
what if i use ds4 for an elite will it get rid of the lag
Another upload lets go!
The Eswap Pro is 500Hz which you can oc to 1k Hz (watch Rocket Science's guide); GuliKit is making an xbox-style one with out of the box 1000 Hz according to their correspondence.
Has this gulikit controller come out?
@@jasonbourne2204 nope
After overclocking and testing, do I need to have DS4Windows open for 1000hz to work?
No
@@lechf So I can close it without problems and still get 1000 Hz?. I play on Steam and try it yesterday but the controller didn't work when I press X, Triangle etc etc.
@@StevensxD try rebooting after you have set it to 1000
@@lechf I guess it's due to Steam remap + DS4 remap at the same time. But at 5:30 + 5:48 both answer my question.
Gotta love back to back uploads ❤️
Hey mate, just another quick question.
I’m assuming you have or have used multiple desktop setups, have you noticed that some rigs feel different to others when it comes to mouse sensitivity? E.g. 1 rig feels good at 800dpi where’s with the same settings, another feels better at 1600dpi?
Cheers mate
Nah mate not at all, unless the rigs have different frames/game configs/gsync on vs off
@@FR33THY Thanks for the reply mate, you’re helping a lot in the process of elimination 😄
@Dachpanther When mouse tracked correctly for me back in 2015, my settings were 1800 dpi 250 polling.
That was back in w7.
Thinking about it, I used to also scale my display to 150%, but doing that now, scales in win8 mode, so feels really wonky. Especially @ 125%.
Vsync always off, no Gsync, maximum performance power scheme, debloated.
did you change the monitor resolution when you switched rigs? maybe you used a different monitor
I bought a victrix gambet, hopefully it feels better
how has it been man?
@@somaticsxd1189 amazing controller
@@halocentral9242have you got stick drift on it heard reviews of people getting it after few months
@@darren5929 i have had zero problems and it domes with a really good warranty so im sure its fine even if you do have problems. You may get unlucky but personally i havent
It’s a shame console controllers haven’t reached 1k hz which has been the standard for a while now on PC.
Do you have monitor with 1000hz refresh rate to utilize 1000hz controller?
@@aruvanadj2362 1000hz on the controller is the polling rate. It’s different to display.
@@jayc0au I know what is polling rate and what is monitor refresh rate. But both need to be in sync to get maximum benefit. If you play at 240 fps, then you need at least 240hz polling rate from the controller. Since 1 fps need 1 command from the controller. You are just wasting your money if you get 1000hz controller for playing in 60fps games
@@aruvanadj2362 you really don’t understand. Many games require sequences of controller inputs to perform an fast execution, namely fighting games. fps games need fast controller polling rate because your holding ads with a button, moving plus aiming with 2 analog stick all at once. There are so many raw controller inputs all at once. If the controller doesn’t have a fast enough polling rate, the game engine won’t register the action.
This sequence or report rate is different from the monitor refresh rate but all good hardware will contribute to a smooth gaming experience.
@@aruvanadj2362hz in a monitor and a controller are not the same thing💀
Hey chris, just a heads up the Xbox elite series 1 and 2 both support overclocking with the same tool. I have my elite set to 1000hz polling and 1ms.
really ?
@@cliche_AF yep!
@@tylerwestman5668 I might have to pick up an elite then
@@tylerwestman5668 did you try it on the polling rate tester to see if it was really 1ms
@@Esthemo no but I can say if it gets turned off I notice right away.
I can overlock my controller to 8000 polling rate and it's feels really good literally 0 ms delay
Faster than the speed of light huh? Interesting.. I love the way you lie.
@@EricTheBroBean Not lieing I'm serious
@@death_7779 Lets say 0.X ms delay
@@EricTheBroBean I can send you SS in discord for proof
@@death_7779 Bro.. I was just pulling your leg. But on the real, theres no such thing as absolutely no delay, theres always a delay, its just the laws of the universe. 0.X ms delay is the best you can get, but 0 delay as an absolute is physically impossible.
Yeahboi! Ive always been a playstation gamer since PS1, controller has always been better, size and shape. But im also a pc gamer.
in windows 11 you have to enable secure boot so you will not able to overclock the controller what is the solution for that?
dont use win 11
Watch spirens overclocking video, theres a registry change to bypass turning off secure boot
First 🙌 great vid Chris
Question
So if you OC the controller, does the oc still stay on the controller, so you can use it on your console??
No
@@lechf thank you
Besides controller latency, remember also to try and keep your GPU utilization to below 97%. Battlenonsense has tested and proved that GPU utilization below that said point improves system latency by a very significant amount.
In other words, sometimes it's better to cap your framerate to 120fps instead of trying to hit 144 or 165 (by pushing your GPU to 99% utilization) eventhough the latter 2 refresh rates would have naturally lower input latency on paper.
this is why we have ullm now :)
@@FR33THY ULLM isn't a magic button that you turn on and forget about. It doesn't work for DX12 games (which would need implementation of Reflex, which has its own fair set of issues too), it also doesn't generate better results than just having your GPU utilization below 97%.
What’s ullm?
@@Serexityy_ ultra low latency mode, in nvidia graphics option
@@BenTan89 agreed however to many gamers out there, Relfex is all they need so the tech serves its purpose. The sweaty players will understand and do other things on top.