@@Manganization - The only explanation I can come up with, is that the Qilin bowed to Dumbledore because he is the main character and had good intentions at that very moment. Since, the entire point of his character is that he is Machiavellian. Plus, he literally does not even defeat Grindelwald for another 13 years.
Her whole thing was she's in love with a mundane but relations with mundanes is illegal. Grindelwald then makes a rousing speach in the second film and mentions this very thing in passing but coming off as though he disapproves of the government's mandate to marginalize people's choices in relationships. So Queenie signs up with him thinking he's got the power to change this law so she can be with her mundane boyfriend without being arrested. There's also that whole thing with her having trouble with her legilimancy and Grindelwald promising to help while also looking to use her gift for himself, naturally. And that's pretty much Queenie's motivations in this anthology.
@@meganparrish807 you've done a better job rooting through the nonsense than the movie did in explaining it. Grindelwald is openly, joyously anti Muggle. One passing reference to maybe changing segregation versus his constant "muggles are garbage, amiright?" doesn't work for me as sufficient motivation for a character of even room temperature IQ to believe he'd be ok with wizard muggle relationships. So a) she's deeply stupid or b) the script is lazy or c) both. I lean to c.
Dumbledore being pure of heart makes absolutely no sense when the entire HP series is all about how he had a dark past and how that also translated to the way he treated Harry as well... I was livid with that Qilin scene.
Super Carlin Brothers also suggested it in their review of the film. Tbh when I was watching the film I thought for the longest time that they were electing a new Minister of Magic for Germany, not the whole Wizarding World.
I immediately thought of Jacob as well when screenwriter guy was getting to that part. I thought "huh, cool they did that", disappointed what happened thou. Albus isn't at the point in this messed up timeline to be pure of heart, considering he was ashamed to fight grindleward after his sister died.
They thought about it but since they seem to think their audience is less intelligent than a retarded monkey on Crack they instead went: "hurr dubmdlr good durr"
I'm so glad that these super expensive movies are made every year. Not because I care about the movie, but because I get a seven minute pitch meeting about it. Truly great stuff.
ya if it weren't for pitch meetings to fall on top of these grenades for us let's just be honest and admit that we'd all get tempted by their siren songs of enticement. by being able to satisfy my curiosity and get rid of any doubt that I might be missing out on something amazing in just seven minutes it saves me a whole lot of time and regret! I look back at the past when I sat through all those promos, slow establishing shots, story progression, etc. just to feed the hope that something exciting might happen at any moment, and I think to myself, "never again, never again will I ever have to be put through something like captain marvel or the last Jedi!"
for anyone not checking this out in theatres this is the perfect way *(super easy - barely an inconvenience)* to catch up on the somethings that happened
Nothing really happened in this movie. Just a bunch of random nonsense to stop Grindelwald (a mass murderer) from falsely winning an election in Europe and a visit to Hogwarts to stir up nostalgia.
"He gets some politicians to say that he is NOT a wanted criminal" Sounds like the politics in Wizarding World is very much like politics in my country
Yep, other than the very first Harry Potter I don't care for any of this over glorified nonsense. Every new movie set in this universe just becomes a more blatant cash grab.
My biggest issue was that stupid blood pact that completely erased a major part of Dumbledore's character: in the 7th book Dumbledore specifically said that the reason why he didnt fight Grindelwald earlier was because he was so afraid of the truth about his sister's death. He let people die and suffer because he kept avoiding the fight out of that fear. The blood pact takes completely away that character flaw, by retconning the reason for why Dumbledore didnt stop Grindelwald before. Its like they had to suddenly make Dumbledore the best pure person ever again for these movies, when one of the major points of the last book was that in the end he WASNT one.
I completely agree, I hate blood pact. It erased humanity out of Dumbledore. Because its human to feel love or fear... and very human to just not be perfect. I thought much more about him when i discovered that he fought Grindelwald in spite of all these things, it was inspiring. It meant that even though we have our flaws, we can do better and do what is right at the end.
Justice to what exactly? A few name drops in the actual books, and a twenty page pamphlet made as a gimmick? What part of Newt are you concerned about? Fuckin douchebag
“Hey can I ask you something.” “Of course.” “What the hell is going on.” “Exactly.” 😂😂😂 this was literally me when I watched the movie. I’m gonna say this whenever I am or someone else is confused about something.
Yeah. The stakes were super vague in the non-Azkaban jail, the ballroom storm-spell scenes, and the Credence conflict at the railroad track in the street. Just expensive-looking confusion.
I feel like the Qilin kneeling to Dumbledore is really 'out of nowhere' in the senses that it's so obvious that you sort of just go "why?". Having Jacob be the true of heart would definitely be a better message and dramatic scene. Also Credence having a sudden change of heart shares the similar vibe to Queenie suddenly being forgiven
I feel like Dumbledore himself from the Harry Potter books would tell you that he is not pure of heart. In fact the whole point of the 7th book is to expose that Dumbledore was not the saint that everyone thought. This is just Rowling forgetting her own canon and characterizations ONCE AGAIN.
Except Jacob wanted to abandon the Plan and run with Queenie & he would never stop her, no matter how many people she harmed. Dumbledore went the to toe with the love of his life when it could have killed him, then duelled him the second he could. Jacob would NEVER do that, he'd protect his girl while she was ending the World. People need to learn the difference between "pure" and "boring audience insert for straight white dudes who's only personality trait is being nice"
I genuinely thought the deer creature was going to kneel for Jacob. They even kind of teased that happening earlier in the film. It was a bit ridiculous that it knelt for Dumbledore. We all already know Dumbledore’s heart. 🤦🏼♂️
@@thisisthedripster While that's true, even in the abominable second _Fantastic Beasts_ movie Dumbledore is introduced as a manipulator, and that characterization seems to continue into this movie if he gave Jacob a wand at all knowing that a) Jacob couldn't use it at all and b) said wand could potentially be used to implicate Jacob, who "inconveniently" also can't apparate away. I usually roll my eyes at the fan-fiction depiction of Dumbledore being evil "just" because he manipulates people, but he's also definitely *not* "pure of heart" given he always seems to have at least one secondary scheme going on whenever interacting with anyone and everyone. That part of the character is still the same here, 50+ years before Harry "Sacrificial" Potter is even born.
I thought it would be newt I'm mean he is the most innocent and sweet person ever. Though I haven't fully watch second movie... but Dumbledore being pure of heart is so much bull crap.
Wise. You're not missing much. I was awake for the first act, slept through the second, awake for the third and I feel I didn't miss anything as I'd worked out out in the beginning.
Dumbledore kept talking about loving Grindelwalt, but I saw zero evidence of that. There is more chemistry between the Joker and Batman than there is between Dumbledore and Grindelwalt. It's almost like they wanted an in-your-face constant reminder that there is a gay character in the movie so you think it's progressive, but without actually having any gay love in it. "A sexual, intense relationship" my ass - most they've done is probably just hold hands one time and accidentally get a boner.
This entire series should have been episodic, with each movie being about finding/stopping/saving some mystical creature. Sometimes it's a creature in danger of extinction that needs to be found and saved, sometimes it's a legend Newt wants to prove really exists, sometimes a super important creature to a culture that's stolen by poachers and Newt saves it. Newt should have been a cross between Milo from Atlantis and Indiana Jones, just solving magic puzzles to find magic animals.
That requires a well thought out plan... With good writers.... We don't have any of that in these sequels ... Just making stuff up with each new movie....
honestly, i think the best direction for the franchise is to try to not use harry potter adjacent characters at all. or at least very little. i wanna know what the wizarding world is like in other countries
One more thing that makes no sense is how everybody cheered for Jacob's torture and war on muggles but then once the baby deer kneels for Santos they just forget they were all on board with genocide
Just imagine you and your buddies walking back home after that, just thinking about how you were about to murder a bunch of innocent people. One guy finally breaks the tension and says: well that escalated quickly Evetybody laughs but deep down, they can't stop thinking about how they were about to murder
@@Simonporter89 As a German, my guess, going from our history, is more like "Every single person going home like 'Yikes, I cannot believe everyone except me was this into genocide'".
Plus the stupidity of "He's pure of heart", immediately followed by torture. Like, does the wizarding world have a completely different definition of what those words mean?
But like why wasn't Jacob the one who was pure of heart?? They completely led us to that conclusion and it made much more sense from a story-telling perspective AND would rationalise why they got a muggle involved in all this, really solidifying the one quality he brings to the team that the others can't measure up to. Rly missed opportunity IMO to (ironically enough) give the film much more heart.
In this movie they failed both at setup and payoffs. They missed the payoff with Jacob been the pure of heart, and they failed every setup with the dude who betrayed but didn't really betray (google tells me his name is Yusuf Kama). Like, he goes to Grindelwald, he tells him that he is there to spy on him, but that he also supports him, they confirm this with mindreading. So Grindelwald removed the memories of Yusuf being angry at him, so he has no reason to betray.... and then he betrays anyway.... like... what? Why?
@@BertockLeg totally agree with that, the yusuf 'storyline' was never explained nor did it actually affect anything (no payoff as you say). I think they had too many characters, so shoved some off to the side (like hey where's nagini for example?)
Let's not forget how most characters don't even get a single line in this garbage. They're just there starring at each other and pretending to be evil.
Dumbledore, a well established legiliment(effectively a mind reader) and influential figure in the wizarding world, let Serius rot in Azkaban for a crime he didn't commit. That same man manipulated Harry's entire life to kill Voldemort without telling him why. That man is somehow pure of heart. I mean sure, the good he has done vastly outweighed the bad, but he definitely was never what I'd call pure of heart.
@@sageseeker9197 Albus also seriously entertained the idea of using his magical prowess to rule humanity and only abandoned the plan after he got his sister killed (possibly killed her himself). All that before this movie.
The entire point of the later books was finding out the Dumbledore a bit of an opportunist. I guess it was a fall from grace or reverting back to being a prick depending on how you look at it.
and let harry be abused (ik he had to be around petunia because she has the same blood as his mom but dumbledore could’ve threatened them so they would stop abusing harry)
“So there’s a President of all wizards now, isn’t that contradicting literally everything we’ve done in this franchise since the second book, because this world has multiple wizarding governments. The previous movies plot started because the British and French wizarding governments had a disagreement” “Just Don’t think about it, I want Grindelwald to be President”
And he is president for like a WHOLE minute! Inbefore getting easily defeated with a thing we knew existed from the very first setpiece. Great storytelling and totally worth the watch!
Just imagine their discussion with the Prime Minister, who is sort of a muggle/wizard liaison. "So, you see, we just elected someone who's declaring war on muggles. But, you still have to keep this a secret from the rest of the non-wizard world."
“Nugget Scaffolding” “Newt Scamander” “Yea I don’t care.” Perfectly describes my relationship to the main character who’s supposed to carry these movies for 3 films now…
His character better fits a tv series, maybe swiping from the lord of the rings and it be him writing all of his experiences and journeys into his book.
I'm glad they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on that movie so I could watch this pitch meeting and know everything I need to know about it. Thank you pitch meeting for saving me hours of my life while simultaneously keeping me informed and entertained in a way the actual movie never could
I also thought it was confusing, I felt like in the Harry Potter series they made it somewhat of a thing that Dumbledore wasn't perfect even though Harry idolised him, also Jacob's arc was clearly going to the direction where he was gonna be the pure of heart anyways, fucking weird
Feel like this is one of the stronger recent pitch meetings. Lots of great lines in this one. -Nugget Scaffolding -Newt Scammander* - Yeah I don't care. -What the hell is going on?! -Exactly! *crab dance* -Seems like it can't be both. -Hey shut up! -What's the logic there? -People like Dumbledore! -They have this very deep, very easy to edit out for China love for each other. -Very romantic except for in the Chinese market. A lot of gold in this one.
I was actually expecting the deer thing kneel before Jacob and was so disappointed when it kneeled before Dumbledore because that didn't make any sense if you know his story at all. Dumbledore was a good guy but he also got tempted a lot and actually gave into the temptation once or twice. How can he be pure of heart?
@@Onikage55 No now he is so greedy he just wants whatever Screenwriter Guy wants. He doesn't even like poutine, he just wants to still what the other one loves.
Yup, repeated questionable decisions of J. K. Rowling, the storyboard writers for the films and the choice of actors have made me care less about the films than a fart of above average volume. Love the pitch meetings though! :D
"Wait did these people think that Jacob is a muggle or that he tried to assassinate Grindelwald using magic? It seems like it can't be both-" *"Hey shut up!"*
The Harry Potter universe keeps trying to convince us that dumbledore is a good guy when he’s literally been exploiting his students since 1927, left a student to rot in Azkaban knowing fully well he was innocent, and allowed one of his students (possible magical ward?) to be abused for a decade. So, yeah. Guy with the purest heart. What a great dude.
Aside from that, at the end of the books/movies, we learn that he still hasn't forgiven himself for the death of his sister and he was thinking of leading the wizards together with Grindelwald... Like yeah people change and you can have good intentions (the Greater Good), but i wouldn't call it the purest of heart. Also makes you think about all the other people in the scene. How fucked up are their lives and hearts, that Dumbledore is the purest among them?
I was so sure of Deer bowing down to Jacob as that is the only logical twist possible which makes sense as it completely shatters the main argument for war against the muggles
It absolutely doesn't. One muggle being pure of heart doesn't have any impact on the wizarding world going stir-crazy because they have to hide their existence constantly. It would have been narratively satisfying though, what with all the foreshadowing.
@@commandercorner5575 It does have an impact though, because there is a lot of racism in the wizarding world towards muggles. Sure, ONE muggle being pure of heart doesnt LOGICALLY mean anything, but it does shatter beliefs that are NOT based on any logical reasoning.
@@commandercorner5575 - Well seeing a magical creature preferring a muggle over The Great Dumbledore and all other candidates and persons present there does give a powerful message. The message that, any one can be good and any one can be bad, cast creed religion, colour, magical abilities have nothing to do with it.
@@gaurav12345pareek That's actually part of what bothered me about this movie. The Harry Potter series made it incredibly clear that magizoology and an interest in magical creatures in general is weird and rather looked down on. They even have little respect for intelligent, magic-capable creatures like centaurs and goblins. Hell, they shackled a freaking dragon in the bowels of Gringotts to use as a glorified guard dog. Even the first two Fantastic Beasts films established that the wizarding community at large was disinterested in magical creatures, outside of a couple notable exceptions that were just as out of character for the wizarding world. Now we're supposed to believe that they have all this respect for a magic fawn? It's not even remotely in the realm of congruent with the rest of the series.
To be fair, in the books at least it had been previously mentioned that part of the bigotry towards muggle-born wizards/witches is a false belief that magic can be stolen. This of course just makes giving Jacob a wand an even more stupid idea as it would only reinforce that superstition.
@@EmeralBookwise I mean, JKR managed to make "preventing the holocaust" part of her villains rhetoric AFTER Jewish people very vocally pointed out that they felt the goblins running the banks looked uncomfortably close to certain caricatures. And then she retweeted a person that denies parts of the holocaust happened, but I'm not sure that's relevant considering that person did not deny the murder of jews, but of gays.
100% agree that the Qilin kneeling before Jacob would have been better. It felt like the whole of Jacob’s arc in this movie had been building up to that.
@@pallydan893 this is spot on. Either the Qilins myth is just that, a myth. And it just picks random, which would be the only explanation for picking Dumbledoor, over Jacob.
Yeah everyone kept telling Jacob how brave he is and kind-hearted and selfless. In fact Dumbledore literally said to Jacob that he has a pure heart. I thought that was an obvious setup for something. The only reason I can think of why Rowling overlooked that payoff is because she's making stuff up as she goes along.
Ok Story Time; I went to see this yesterday and there was barely anyone in my screening. A few minutes in, a mother and her daughters - all under 11 years old - came in (expecting to see a fun family film with a guy talking to magical beasts). They came in just when we got the magical equivalent of Bambi and Grindlewald slitting the Chillen’s throat. Needless to say, an hour of magic politics in, they left.
I bet that scene caused a lot of people to walk out, I might have walked out if I'd seen it in the theater. It certainly ruined the film for a good sized percentage of its audience.
The comment about the other candidates is spot on. We literally learn nothing about them. At one point in the movie, they said "Each candidate has their own unique vision for how they want to change not just our world but the non-magical world as well." And I just sat there thinking, it would be nice to know what those visions were.
@@drogadepc disagree. Actually making Credence his nephew was the only way out without retconning. I was very worried at the end of part 2 and am quite relieved with this solution.
The secret is his intimate relationship with Grindelwald, the fact they still kind of love each other, the death of Ariana, the secret plots in this movie.
That he's gay (even though he's about as gay as Hermione is black despite what J.K. Rowling has tried to say on both matters) given that wouldn't fly in China. That and I guess that he gave Jacob a wand secretly to use Jacob as a fall-guy in an "assassination" attempt doomed to fail, which somehow still allows Dumbledore to be perceived as pure of heart by a magical baby deer (that he probably brainwashed when no one was looking) despite his manipulativeness.
I'm gonna say the exact same thing i said about the other fantastic beasts movies: This movie would be about a million times better if it actually was about, you know, fantastical beasts. Seriously, why the need to put a discount voldemort into those movies? Just have it be newt going around researching about fantastical beasts and gently educating his fellow wizards about them. And if you absolutly need some anatgonists have it be some crime syndicate hunting down those fantastical beasts to sell their parts or something like that.
I agree. The first movie had the magic and wonder of the Harry Potter series, but now they’ve just abandoned that for dark and gritty, with magic beasts thrown in “just because.”
The two stories could have easily been split and given the attention/time they deserved! I actually like both premises, but they don't go well together at all
True! I want to see fantastic beasts, can they just focus on them and not these humans? Maybe something like Pokémon where they are used to fight each other and our protagonist trying to stop this practice?
Maybe I should re-watch the Pitch Meeting for the second part. (If there is one, I have seen it already. But I'm not sure if there is.) Because all I remember is nonsense from it, and I kept thinking to myself "This confusion can't nearly all be explained by the fact that I am watching this film in the form of a cell phone bootleg."
Right, I really expected it to be Jacob there at the ceremony. It was even teased several times like by the dinner table when the creature liked him, when people told Jacob had a full good heart, and when Dumbledore told him what suitcase to pick up (which I expected held the creature but was proven incorrect)
@@queeneon don’t get me wrong I agree I enjoy the 1st but the HP films feel like a full story each FB movie has felt like a different genre and movie series overall
My thoughts on this are that Jacob was on the film so he could be the one pure of hearth, but studio execs shot that idea down in favor of Dumbledore exactly for the reason Ryan points out, Dumbledore is a brand and is very popular. So they went for the easy choice instead of the correct one.
Honestly, considering the writer is the same person who went to Universal Studios instead of Disney, because they wouldn't give her a train, I don't see her not forcing a change like this. She probably has more control over what goes into her movies than any other writer.
Exactly! Between Ezra attacking women and Amber Turd pooping in JD's bed and admitting to hitting him, I have ZERO desire to give my hard earned money to WB until they do the right thing.
Omg the quilin kneeling in front of Jacob would make SO MUCH SENSE!!! it would explain completely why Dumbledore wanted him so much and it would make wayyyy more sense that it kneeling in front of Dumbledore who is... LOL not pure of heart, the whole harry potter saga is kinda about that.
I think you minda read fanfiction instead of the actual books.... cause last time I checked it was about some guy named Tom trying to kill some kid with glasses.
The fact that Dumbledore did some sketchy stuff *in the past* doesn't mean he can't be pure of heart in the present. This also adds to the pain Dumbledore must be in because he is presented with empirical evidence that he is a good person yet he still can't bring himself to accept that as the case because of the guilt of what he has/might have done in the past. I think the reason Dumbledore brought Jacob to begin with was because he thought it would bow to him, but was surprised and confused when it chose him instead.
The first fantastic beasts movie was fun and had a lot of good potential, the second movie shot its self in both feet then jumped overboard, in an attempt to save itself the third movie has tied a boulder around it’s sinking waist.
Yeah. They're mostly without dialogue, so far less chance for needless exposition, and it's just wizards tracking down magical monsters and stopping them from hurting muggles whilst remaining hidden. Like conservationist wizards. Want Grindelwald in there, have him try to use magically mutated monsters to attack people so they have to stop his monster machination.
On top of all this I want to know: What were the secrets of Dumbledore?!?!? If taken seriously, we get ONE secret - singular - which is revealed at the BEGINNING of the movie. There is no search for more secrets. We were promised multiple but none arised!
I think I'm counting 3 major secrets: confirming albus's past romantic relationship with grindlewald (though that was hinted at for some time), that creedence is his estranged nephew, and that the dumbledore brothers accidentally killed their sister during a fight where they drew wands on each other
I feel like if we have to guess then it has no reason being the title of the movie. It's not a macguffin. It doesn't spur on the non-existent plot. It affects no one.
Many websites listed the premise as something like: Grindelwad is gathering an army to start a war, Newt and his allies must race to stop him. Realised this premise essentially applies to all 3 Fantastic Beasts movies since nothing really noteworthy happens.
The biggest issue with the film that he forgot to mention is how Newt's assistant ordered a half dozen suitcase copies and in the big scene, there were only 4 copies. WTF
I thought I remembered her saying she needed five IIRC (and there were five, IIRC as well). I might be misremembering. She might have needed six but Dumbledore didn't have one. Idk maybe that was just a precaution to have more made.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Dark Shadows Of course, I'd die from coughing if i said every one of them. Lets also not pretend that EVERY role Johnny Depp plays is him playing Johnny Depp in cosplay. He has the acting range of a potato. But hey, thirsty middle-aged women think he is cute and incels have decided he is their messiah.
@@as3609 She literally did though. She has sole screenwriting credit for the first two and is credited with Steve Cloves as co-writer of the third one.
I was dragged by my mom to see this movie and it’s just as boring and nonsensical as he made it out to be. I spend the entire drive back home just pointing out EVERYTHING that didn’t make sense
Absolutely nailed it with this one. Basically addressed all the problems with the film. I would've also accepted a line about why Abernathy & Nagini aren't in this film at all.
@@lothianedwards7816 He worked at MACUSA, then in Crimes of Grindelwald it turned out he supports Grindelwald and (I think is a metamorphmagi and) at some point switched places with Grindelwald so he could escape. Then he's at various places like the French Ministry with Rosier and at the Grindelwald rally at the mausoleum.
Like.... They COULD have made this great if Newt mostly just "ended up" getting involved with Grindelwalds plots in every film while searching for.... Fantastic Beasts.
I would love if it was just Newt doing his thing while all this unfolding in the background. Like, we follow him trying to Catch’Em All while major war is happening.
I originally signed up for Eddie Redmayne catching Wizarding Pokémons in his hufflepuff scarf. I stopped it after the second movie was a freaking disaster
I once saw an alternate idea for how the franchise could have unfolded: like Indiana Jones. Each movie a completely stand-alone adventure in a different part of the world, with a plot centered around a beast of local mythology. The writers could have collaborated with the local film industry to flesh out how that country's Wizarding World works, and featured local movie stars in lead roles. It would have been a great way to expand the universe without bogging the series down in continuity traps.
“What is going on?” There was literally in the subtitles of the film a character that said “I don’t get it” during the election scene and I was like “that sums up the whole movie.”
Yes Dumbledore who is fine with sacrificing Harry and sending him back to his abusive relatives each year, gets the worse DADA professors (except Moony ofc) to test him, and presumably is so fine with bullying that he let Snape and The Marauders nearly kill each other is pure of heart. Of course he is
@@sabalisigns4474 I think that in the books Dumbledore specifically stated that he turned down offers to become the minister of magic because he doesn't trust himself in positions of power. If not even Dumbledore thinks he's pure of heart, why would this animal?
INTERNET: “I feel the Wizards’ political system is nonsensical” for somehow enabling a wanted criminal to run for office ME (a Venezuelan): *cries in the corner*
But they already know. They just don't give a single F about any of that. Movies today make moneys mostly based on hype, nostalgia and star power plus CGI effects. The plot doesn't matters because there are tens of millions of boys and girls aged 8-19 that will go watch literally anything you put of screen. So they give the job of writing plots to people they're buddy-buddy with, rather than based on quality and merit or skills.
I have to assume studios are paying him to do pitch meetings and supplying footage even shortly prior to release, in order for him to pull these off so seemingly quickly. Any hype is good hype if it sells tickets or online rentals/subscriptions.
"Isn't he a wanted criminal?" "He is, yeah. But he gets some politicians to say he's not a wanted criminal anymore, and that means he can be a candidate immediately." "Oh, I think the wizarding political system is kinda non-sensical." Bro, that's literally Brazil (the real life analogy to Grindelwald would be Luíz Inácio Lula da Silva for those who are wondering)
Honestly, this is how Hitler rose to power in Germany. He literally was sent to prison for being involved in a coup. Yet, was however allowed to become Chancellor.
I often forget the premise of this franchise is to include fantastic beast's in the movies, and that the creatures are basically mcguffins for the plot.
Yeah because that premise only made sense for barely a stand-alone little movie. Or a TV series with a completely different vibe where we follow the guy around the world finding creatures and having fun little adventures. I mean, if she wanted to make movies about the Dumbledore - Grindelwald conflict, then she should've have started with that. Now it feels like an afterthought as if she run out of material and didn't know what else to do, probably because she run out of material and didn't know what else to do.
It doesn't feel much like a premise anymore. The franchise was hijacked by Grindelwald in the first movie, relegating the fantastic beasts to the background. Now they're essentially meaningless single-scene setpieces mandated by a checklist, because it's too late to remove the "fantastic beasts" thing from the title of the series. The fantastic beasts aren't even that relevant to the plot for the most part, most of them are featured in one scene and then promptly forgotten. *sigh*. I think there would have been great potential in making this franchise a bit like Indiana Jones, with each movie featuring Newt on a completely stand-alone adventure centered around a different beast in a different part of the world. For extra spice, they could have collaborated with the local film industry of the country in question to flesh out how the Wizarding World works in that country, and maybe featured some local movie stars in prominent roles. It would have been a great way to expand the franchise without bogging the series down in continuity traps.
Yeah, like, that exact thing happened in Young Justice. A sword chose the bad guy because he was pure of heart aka he had no attachments or regrets after, ya know, murdering his sister and stuff like that. Grindelwald totally could've just chanced it
AND THEN you could have it NOT choose Grindledorf because his heart is conflicted over Youngbledore. Y'know, like that other bit of explicit text in the film that they only pay attention to when it's convenient?
I blame Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. It's so ridiculously easy to put a filter these days that everyone going to town with it. In the past, you have to literally tint the film strip to achieve a filter, that's why few people did it because it was so hard.
A guy being able to run for and nearly win political office even after people know he did horrible things beforehand is probably the most realistic thing in the whole Fantastic Beasts franchise.
Ah, but a recent poll has determined that there are over 12 people in the US who would not vote for a presidential candidate if he was convicted of a fellony in the same news cycle as the election, so there is hope for us muggles.
Took my wife to see this even though she had a bad taste in her mouth for anything in the Fantastic Beasts. Needless to say she was so disappointed after barely making it through the movie. Even slept for 10mins during the second act. I have no stake in Harry Potter world but it broke my heart to see her lose her love for this universe because of this movie and the 2nd movie being sooooo bad :(
It’s an expensive franchise with lazy world building, brand care, and criminal storytelling that keeps giving diminishing returns. And it’s totally self-inflicted. WB under Discovery will have their hands wringing, forced to make the last two to keep Rowling happy.
I mean yeah I don't watch them for that same reason lol, the original story is pretty good and ended well, don't care for anything that came out after it lmao
When I hear the words "Wizards and Magic" I think fun, adventure, excitement, brightness, color. These movies are dark, colorless, lifeless, dull, boring. It's a movie of people walking and talking, walking and talking.
My biggest problem with the plot is that we know Albus sees glimpses of the future seen by Grindelwald, yet we don't know how. It's literally what leads the whole plot forward, the reason Jacob is there, it's the reason he's given the wand, the reason they acted in such a convoluted way, yet it's never explained. So it feels like we know even less than the main cast
I've always hated characters like that in books and film. Characters that know everything but doesn't share the knowledge to his friends because it would solve the plot in 5 minutes. So he divulges the information in small bits. It is VERY convoluted.
@@One.Zero.One101 Yup. If you have knowledge, you better have a hugely good reason not to share it. And sometimes it's done well. But here we don't know enough to judge, since we're told nothing about what Dumbledore knows, how, how he can change it, and why some random pieces are important to that plan. Even movies like Ocean's Eleven, or Now You See Me, which have somewhat convoluted plans, still explain them well, even if it's scattered here and there
Yeah when that deer kneeled in front of Dumbledore all I could think is "BULLSHIT!" Dumbledore openly acknowledged that he longed for power and stopped himself from achieving it multiple times because he didn't trust himself, even in his old age. No way that the Dumbledore of this time frame is pure of heart. That deer needed to kneel before Jacob. This movie feels so out of left field that I cannot believe this was the original plan. The last movie had Grindelwald convincing people that Muggles needed to be ruled for their own good and he didn't hate them and that the goal was for wizards to not need to hide from the Muggles (in line with how he and Dumbledore discussed taking over the Wizarding World), and now suddenly he's openly declaring war on them and calling them abominations? Queenie's motivations for following him don't add up with what was established in the last movie. , Credence being Aberforth's son is way too out of nowhere (I was convinced that Credence was actually Arianna's Obscurial that had attached to Credence, which would have had enough clues but wouldn't have been an easy twist to figure out), the back story with Arianna should have had at least 10 more minutes, maybe a few flashbacks GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE IS CALLED SECRETS OF DUMBLEDORE AND SHE WAS HIS BIGGEST SECRET People can have their opinions on Rowling as a person or whatever; she is smarter than this, and has proven that she can write twists that had proper build up so they felt natural but also weren't too obvious, so I cannot believe that these "twists" are what she originally intended. It really does feel like someone else was brought in to write this third movie
Having it kneel in front of Jacob would have been terribly cliche but it's much better than what they gave us. I think it was written when the "subversive" trend was happening and they filmed it much later. On the whole a pretty dumb and non-sensical movie.
@@abhiramnaik6720 should have taken out the whole mass war against muggles and make it that it actually would have kneeled to grindenwald making it more complicated
A novel and a screenplay are two very different mediums that need a different set of skills. Just because someone is talented at one medium of writing doesn't mean they'll be good at another. She should have written this series as novels (her strength) and let a screenwriter adapt them to film later.
@@ArnisKaye if the only problem was that it was the wrong format, then the movie's only problem would've been improper pacing and too much dialogue. That's what happens when an author turn a book directly into a movie. But Secrets of Dumbledore is so bad, even if it were a book, it would still be bad. I'm convinced Rowling only has her name on the project but has very little actual influence. I wouldn't be surprised if she accidentally signed a contract without fully understanding it and is now just being bullied by Hollywood.
exactly. he makes newt and harry and all these other, younger, less powerful or experienced wizards do his bidding & most dangerous missions when he's strong and skilled enough to deal with over half the problems himself. thinking the villain is too hot to fight isn't enough lol
It's been a while, but didn't a huge chunk of the Deathly Hallows book revolve around Harry finding out that Dumbledore wasn't as great as Harry thought he was? Didn't Rita Skeeter uncover a bunch of bad shit from Dumbledore's past in one of the first chapters that proves that Dumbledore wasn't that pure of heart at all?
@@confusionandcreation6036 Dumbledore admitted that he and Grindelwald became unified in their search for the Deathly Hallows, which would allow them to overcome death. They planned to use this power to overturn the ministry and create a new order, with wizards lording over muggles. So yes, not very pure of heart.
I love that in the election part in the mountains, Newt is stopped by the German guy's assistant, she takes his briefcase and knocks him out. Then Newt wakes up immediately, runs up to her, takes the briefcase back with 0 effort and the briefcase disappears for some reason, and there is no point to EITHER of the interactions because Newt just appears near the election candidates right after, and the assistance never appears again... Why was that in the movie?!
Both Newt and Jacob are really pure of hearth. Dumbledore, instead, permits to his love for a psychopath to block himself to do the right thing and to stop people be endangered. The deer election makes no sense.
@@markuhler2664 "Don't you have to be pure of heart to become a super saiyan?" - "Yes, and my heart is pure. pure badassery!" (Or something like this XD)
Your videos are always funny, but that super quick "Hey shut up" response that goes into the next sentence without missing a beat made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video 4:28
The idea of Jacob being the one that has a pure heart and Grindlewald having to come to terms with that is so good
The Qilin should have bowed to Jacob, it also bonded with him earlier in the film.
It's so strange that it would choose Dumbledore of all people after all of the things we've found out about him from the Harry Potter series.
@@Manganization - The only explanation I can come up with, is that the Qilin bowed to Dumbledore because he is the main character and had good intentions at that very moment. Since, the entire point of his character is that he is Machiavellian. Plus, he literally does not even defeat Grindelwald for another 13 years.
@@Manganization eh, he’s mentally unstable, not evil
Even Snape called out Dumbledore for being a manipulator.
Watching the pitch meeting so you don't have to watch the movie is tight
And it's also super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@brucesimmons5517 💯💯💯💯💯.
Indeed, I've seen the movie, and I only understand what has happened thanks to Ryan.
@@trinaq 💯💯
Wow,wow,wow...wow
I suppose Queenie being suddenly forgiven makes as much sense as her being suddenly evil in the last film.
I thought she was a spy, but they just never bothered to explain that.
Her whole thing was she's in love with a mundane but relations with mundanes is illegal. Grindelwald then makes a rousing speach in the second film and mentions this very thing in passing but coming off as though he disapproves of the government's mandate to marginalize people's choices in relationships.
So Queenie signs up with him thinking he's got the power to change this law so she can be with her mundane boyfriend without being arrested. There's also that whole thing with her having trouble with her legilimancy and Grindelwald promising to help while also looking to use her gift for himself, naturally.
And that's pretty much Queenie's motivations in this anthology.
@@meganparrish807 you've done a better job rooting through the nonsense than the movie did in explaining it. Grindelwald is openly, joyously anti Muggle. One passing reference to maybe changing segregation versus his constant "muggles are garbage, amiright?" doesn't work for me as sufficient motivation for a character of even room temperature IQ to believe he'd be ok with wizard muggle relationships. So a) she's deeply stupid or b) the script is lazy or c) both. I lean to c.
@@MisBabbles its a character. Calm down.
@@canesugar911 It what way were they not calm? 😆
Dumbledore being pure of heart makes absolutely no sense when the entire HP series is all about how he had a dark past and how that also translated to the way he treated Harry as well... I was livid with that Qilin scene.
Funny thing is, Dumbledore even points out himself that he isn’t pure in that scene.
When the comedy skit comes up with vastly better twists like Jacob being pure of heart, compared to the big budget movie.
Super Carlin Brothers also suggested it in their review of the film.
Tbh when I was watching the film I thought for the longest time that they were electing a new Minister of Magic for Germany, not the whole Wizarding World.
I immediately thought of Jacob as well when screenwriter guy was getting to that part. I thought "huh, cool they did that", disappointed what happened thou. Albus isn't at the point in this messed up timeline to be pure of heart, considering he was ashamed to fight grindleward after his sister died.
I thought it was gonna be Newt but Dumbledore? Doesn't his brother expose him as a huge egomaniac in the Deathly Hallows?
They thought about it but since they seem to think their audience is less intelligent than a retarded monkey on Crack they instead went:
"hurr dubmdlr good durr"
Yeah, I also thought Jacob for sure would be the “pure of heart” character they constantly were hinting at. I would’ve loved that.
I'm so glad that these super expensive movies are made every year. Not because I care about the movie, but because I get a seven minute pitch meeting about it. Truly great stuff.
Yep. Also that money gets into the pockets of hard working people. So it is a win-win situation.
@@Schmidtelpunkt Some of it definitely does.
ya if it weren't for pitch meetings to fall on top of these grenades for us let's just be honest and admit that we'd all get tempted by their siren songs of enticement. by being able to satisfy my curiosity and get rid of any doubt that I might be missing out on something amazing in just seven minutes it saves me a whole lot of time and regret! I look back at the past when I sat through all those promos, slow establishing shots, story progression, etc. just to feed the hope that something exciting might happen at any moment, and I think to myself, "never again, never again will I ever have to be put through something like captain marvel or the last Jedi!"
Watching pitch meetings is Tight!!!!!
@@Akash-zw1jnya ya ya
for anyone not checking this out in theatres this is the perfect way *(super easy - barely an inconvenience)* to catch up on the somethings that happened
Hello Click’s boyfriend treat him well please
I hated it. It made little sense (had Yusuf and Leta even met before the last film?) and parts didn't need to be there at all (Crab dancing)
Hi
Or safely ignore all together, either way.
Nothing really happened in this movie. Just a bunch of random nonsense to stop Grindelwald (a mass murderer) from falsely winning an election in Europe and a visit to Hogwarts to stir up nostalgia.
“They have this very deep, very easy to edit out for China love for each other”.
That made me laugh.
jokes on you the Chinese fanbase is actually into that stuff
@@mikehu2451 Fanbase yes, the government not so much
@@saramorgan4744 yes. and in china the gov't is all that really matters.
@@mikehu2451 jokes on you the Chinese are slaves of the ccp
no one is into that chit@@mikehu2451
"Where does he go?"
"Into the sequel, if this makes money...."
Ryan hits the nail on the head.
He is already in the sequel. It's called Harry Potter and the deathly hallows.
@@torquin1720 Sure that is technically the sequel but I like to think of it as the fifty or so year time skip.
"He gets some politicians to say that he is NOT a wanted criminal"
Sounds like the politics in Wizarding World is very much like politics in my country
Precisely what I was thinking 😂
Mine too. The exiting leaders often spend the last weeks just writing pardons for people who did crimes for them.
It's almost a legitimately good political commentary.
Brazil feelings
Sadly just like Brazil :)
"Hey can I ask you something?" "Of course." "What the hell's going on?" "Exactly." The Wizarding World ladies and gentlemen
'ThE wIzArDinG wOrLd' more like shitty writing
@@Videoguy789 true
LMAO That was exactly my reaction watching this
Yep, other than the very first Harry Potter I don't care for any of this over glorified nonsense. Every new movie set in this universe just becomes a more blatant cash grab.
@@zimtak6418 wait you’re talking about the whole first series or literally just the sorcerers stone?
My biggest issue was that stupid blood pact that completely erased a major part of Dumbledore's character: in the 7th book Dumbledore specifically said that the reason why he didnt fight Grindelwald earlier was because he was so afraid of the truth about his sister's death. He let people die and suffer because he kept avoiding the fight out of that fear. The blood pact takes completely away that character flaw, by retconning the reason for why Dumbledore didnt stop Grindelwald before. Its like they had to suddenly make Dumbledore the best pure person ever again for these movies, when one of the major points of the last book was that in the end he WASNT one.
Chalk it up to rowling losing her damn mind the last few years
I completely agree, I hate blood pact. It erased humanity out of Dumbledore. Because its human to feel love or fear... and very human to just not be perfect. I thought much more about him when i discovered that he fought Grindelwald in spite of all these things, it was inspiring. It meant that even though we have our flaws, we can do better and do what is right at the end.
1. Retconning things is TIGHT
2. Retconning things is 90% of Harry Potter plots
If they didn't have the guts to not censor it for China than we don't have to stomach it being canon
@@cenciende9401 You think Rowling wrote the script for these movies? Rowling hasn't lost her mind, society has.
“So what’s going on with Nugget Scaffolding”
“It’s Newt Scamander”
“I don’t care”
Yup already doing more justice than the movie
Haha, I'm totally going to refer to him as Nugget Scaffolding from now on!
He was so casual with the "I don't care." Ryan should do that more often! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Justice to what exactly?
A few name drops in the actual books, and a twenty page pamphlet made as a gimmick?
What part of Newt are you concerned about?
Fuckin douchebag
oh my god I DON'T care, I do NOT.... I don't care!
Yeah said it.
“Hey can I ask you something.”
“Of course.”
“What the hell is going on.”
“Exactly.”
😂😂😂 this was literally me when I watched the movie. I’m gonna say this whenever I am or someone else is confused about something.
This perfectly sums up why I didn't like this movie lol
Repeating stuff from the Pitch Meeting that we've just heard is tight!
What's going on
Magic of course. .
Yeah. The stakes were super vague in the non-Azkaban jail, the ballroom storm-spell scenes, and the Credence conflict at the railroad track in the street.
Just expensive-looking confusion.
Not even the Pitch Meeting could make me understand what the hell is going on. I guess it's pretty bad then.
When I was in the theater and the blood pact broke…I heard your voice in my head saying “super easy!, barely an inconvenience” Thank you
SAME! LOL I thought, “This is it. Definitely the part that will be in the Pitch Meeting.” 😆
I feel like the Qilin kneeling to Dumbledore is really 'out of nowhere' in the senses that it's so obvious that you sort of just go "why?". Having Jacob be the true of heart would definitely be a better message and dramatic scene.
Also Credence having a sudden change of heart shares the similar vibe to Queenie suddenly being forgiven
I think if it wasn't Jacob it shoulda been Newt.
I feel like Dumbledore himself from the Harry Potter books would tell you that he is not pure of heart. In fact the whole point of the 7th book is to expose that Dumbledore was not the saint that everyone thought. This is just Rowling forgetting her own canon and characterizations ONCE AGAIN.
Maybe Rowling things people like Queenie and Credence have changes of heart like a woman taking a new birth control or during her time of the month.
Except Jacob wanted to abandon the Plan and run with Queenie & he would never stop her, no matter how many people she harmed. Dumbledore went the to toe with the love of his life when it could have killed him, then duelled him the second he could. Jacob would NEVER do that, he'd protect his girl while she was ending the World. People need to learn the difference between "pure" and "boring audience insert for straight white dudes who's only personality trait is being nice"
I genuinely thought the deer creature was going to kneel for Jacob. They even kind of teased that happening earlier in the film. It was a bit ridiculous that it knelt for Dumbledore. We all already know Dumbledore’s heart. 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah, wasn’t he the guy who wanted to sacrifice Harry to stop Voldemort?
@@bingobongo1615 that was in the future so it doesn't count........... yet
@@thisisthedripster While that's true, even in the abominable second _Fantastic Beasts_ movie Dumbledore is introduced as a manipulator, and that characterization seems to continue into this movie if he gave Jacob a wand at all knowing that a) Jacob couldn't use it at all and b) said wand could potentially be used to implicate Jacob, who "inconveniently" also can't apparate away.
I usually roll my eyes at the fan-fiction depiction of Dumbledore being evil "just" because he manipulates people, but he's also definitely *not* "pure of heart" given he always seems to have at least one secondary scheme going on whenever interacting with anyone and everyone. That part of the character is still the same here, 50+ years before Harry "Sacrificial" Potter is even born.
I thought it would be newt I'm mean he is the most innocent and sweet person ever. Though I haven't fully watch second movie... but Dumbledore being pure of heart is so much bull crap.
Exactly
The guilty pleasure of watching a "spoiler" pitch meeting for a movie I have no intention of ever, ever seeing.
Wise. You're not missing much. I was awake for the first act, slept through the second, awake for the third and I feel I didn't miss anything as I'd worked out out in the beginning.
Lol same here
Idk, I might pirate this and watch it to laugh at it. It sounds REALLY bad 😂
Not financially supporting an exclusionary person of power and influence is TIGHT!
Me too, loved the pitch meeting, but hell will freeze over before I ever actually watch the movie, even for free.
"This have this very deep, very easy to edit out for China love."
Ryan George should go into baseball. He never misses.
I'd love to see him collab with Jomboy!
_very_ romantic ᵉˣᶜᵉᵖᵗ ᶠᵒʳ ᶦⁿ ᵗʰᵉ ᶜʰᶦⁿᵉˢᵉ ᵐᵃʳᵏᵉᵗ
Dumbledore kept talking about loving Grindelwalt, but I saw zero evidence of that. There is more chemistry between the Joker and Batman than there is between Dumbledore and Grindelwalt. It's almost like they wanted an in-your-face constant reminder that there is a gay character in the movie so you think it's progressive, but without actually having any gay love in it.
"A sexual, intense relationship" my ass - most they've done is probably just hold hands one time and accidentally get a boner.
@@Jesse__H that line and delivery was so fucking good
@@Jesse__H And the Middle Eastern market.
"Where does he go?"
"Into the sequel if this makes money".
Had me laughing.
I thought that was going to be the end of the video and it would show an article saying that the movie underperformed and the series is cancelled.
This entire series should have been episodic, with each movie being about finding/stopping/saving some mystical creature. Sometimes it's a creature in danger of extinction that needs to be found and saved, sometimes it's a legend Newt wants to prove really exists, sometimes a super important creature to a culture that's stolen by poachers and Newt saves it. Newt should have been a cross between Milo from Atlantis and Indiana Jones, just solving magic puzzles to find magic animals.
That would have made so much more sense and been more exciting than whatever the heck the series is actually about.
That requires a well thought out plan... With good writers.... We don't have any of that in these sequels ... Just making stuff up with each new movie....
Now that would have been worth watching.
Yeah but that would have been smart
honestly, i think the best direction for the franchise is to try to not use harry potter adjacent characters at all. or at least very little. i wanna know what the wizarding world is like in other countries
One more thing that makes no sense is how everybody cheered for Jacob's torture and war on muggles but then once the baby deer kneels for Santos they just forget they were all on board with genocide
Very true. That definitely made no sense.
Just imagine you and your buddies walking back home after that, just thinking about how you were about to murder a bunch of innocent people.
One guy finally breaks the tension and says: well that escalated quickly
Evetybody laughs but deep down, they can't stop thinking about how they were about to murder
@@Simonporter89 As a German, my guess, going from our history, is more like "Every single person going home like 'Yikes, I cannot believe everyone except me was this into genocide'".
Considering WWII happens, Grindelwald’s supporters are still in favor of a genocide.
Plus the stupidity of "He's pure of heart", immediately followed by torture. Like, does the wizarding world have a completely different definition of what those words mean?
But like why wasn't Jacob the one who was pure of heart?? They completely led us to that conclusion and it made much more sense from a story-telling perspective AND would rationalise why they got a muggle involved in all this, really solidifying the one quality he brings to the team that the others can't measure up to. Rly missed opportunity IMO to (ironically enough) give the film much more heart.
In this movie they failed both at setup and payoffs.
They missed the payoff with Jacob been the pure of heart, and they failed every setup with the dude who betrayed but didn't really betray (google tells me his name is Yusuf Kama).
Like, he goes to Grindelwald, he tells him that he is there to spy on him, but that he also supports him, they confirm this with mindreading. So Grindelwald removed the memories of Yusuf being angry at him, so he has no reason to betray.... and then he betrays anyway.... like... what? Why?
@@BertockLeg totally agree with that, the yusuf 'storyline' was never explained nor did it actually affect anything (no payoff as you say). I think they had too many characters, so shoved some off to the side (like hey where's nagini for example?)
"Magic." "But why--" "Its magic!"
@@BertockLeg I suppose Dumbledore somehow made sure to give Yusuf fake memories or something
Let's not forget how most characters don't even get a single line in this garbage. They're just there starring at each other and pretending to be evil.
Dumbledore, a well established legiliment(effectively a mind reader) and influential figure in the wizarding world, let Serius rot in Azkaban for a crime he didn't commit. That same man manipulated Harry's entire life to kill Voldemort without telling him why. That man is somehow pure of heart. I mean sure, the good he has done vastly outweighed the bad, but he definitely was never what I'd call pure of heart.
This is before all of that.... pure of heart, doesn't mean permanently pure of heart, ya know? People change.
@@sageseeker9197 Albus also seriously entertained the idea of using his magical prowess to rule humanity and only abandoned the plan after he got his sister killed (possibly killed her himself). All that before this movie.
The entire point of the later books was finding out the Dumbledore a bit of an opportunist. I guess it was a fall from grace or reverting back to being a prick depending on how you look at it.
and let harry be abused (ik he had to be around petunia because she has the same blood as his mom but dumbledore could’ve threatened them so they would stop abusing harry)
Hollywood has quite a warped sense of morality these days.
“So there’s a President of all wizards now, isn’t that contradicting literally everything we’ve done in this franchise since the second book, because this world has multiple wizarding governments. The previous movies plot started because the British and French wizarding governments had a disagreement”
“Just Don’t think about it, I want Grindelwald to be President”
Uff exactlyyy. They're literally making shit up as they go
Sir, I'm gunna need you to get all the way off my back about Wizarding governance
And he is president for like a WHOLE minute! Inbefore getting easily defeated with a thing we knew existed from the very first setpiece. Great storytelling and totally worth the watch!
Just imagine their discussion with the Prime Minister, who is sort of a muggle/wizard liaison.
"So, you see, we just elected someone who's declaring war on muggles. But, you still have to keep this a secret from the rest of the non-wizard world."
Two words: Supreme Mugwump. It’s been in the series since Philosopher’s Stone.
"What the hell's goin' on?"
"Exactly!"
"Right."
Fucking gold, Ryan. Fucking gold.
no swering
@@gtdc4685 Spell it right, dammit.
I checked out of this franchise right around the Cursed Child.
"Money"
@@Gruntled2001 smart
“Nugget Scaffolding”
“Newt Scamander”
“Yea I don’t care.”
Perfectly describes my relationship to the main character who’s supposed to carry these movies for 3 films now…
I'm gonna call him Nugget Scaffolding from now on.
I mean, I honestly wouldn't be able to recall his name to save my life.
These movies have been so amazingly forgettable.
Well, not all people are as ignorant as you.
Newt is a good character who doesn't deserve to have his serie hijacked by dumbledore
His character better fits a tv series, maybe swiping from the lord of the rings and it be him writing all of his experiences and journeys into his book.
I'm glad they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on that movie so I could watch this pitch meeting and know everything I need to know about it. Thank you pitch meeting for saving me hours of my life while simultaneously keeping me informed and entertained in a way the actual movie never could
Lmao same for most movies he does these videos on, I don't care enough lol
tbf, bc of YT algorithm, I rewatched this pitch meeting so many times probably more than the movie runtime itself.
Dumbledore, who carries the guilt for being partially responsible for his sister's death and devoted his youth to overcoming death, is pure of heart?
I also thought it was confusing, I felt like in the Harry Potter series they made it somewhat of a thing that Dumbledore wasn't perfect even though Harry idolised him, also Jacob's arc was clearly going to the direction where he was gonna be the pure of heart anyways, fucking weird
Plus he’s manipulative af
I don't understand why people keep bringing up the plot to these when... money!
"hey, shut up"
@@ExtremeSquared Oh, money! That's the thing that I like.
The delivery of that “hey shut up” was so good
Right,? 😂🤣
I feel like the screenwriter guy has been getting a little testy lately, I don't remember him ever just saying shut up so blatantly before 🤣
It really was.
It was awesome, I actually laughed out loud 🤣
Feel like this is one of the stronger recent pitch meetings. Lots of great lines in this one.
-Nugget Scaffolding
-Newt Scammander*
- Yeah I don't care.
-What the hell is going on?!
-Exactly!
*crab dance*
-Seems like it can't be both.
-Hey shut up!
-What's the logic there?
-People like Dumbledore!
-They have this very deep, very easy to edit out for China love for each other.
-Very romantic except for in the Chinese market.
A lot of gold in this one.
The worse the movie, the better the material it provides I guess...
@@hassathunter2464 Not always imo. Some of those that made me laugh the most are for good movies.
Agreed. This one made me laugh aloud multiple times. The delivery is so good, too.
I was actually expecting the deer thing kneel before Jacob and was so disappointed when it kneeled before Dumbledore because that didn't make any sense if you know his story at all. Dumbledore was a good guy but he also got tempted a lot and actually gave into the temptation once or twice. How can he be pure of heart?
even Newt would have made sense. jacob definitely, but Dumbledore? highly disappointed
Gotta give Ryan all the credit for committing to the buying Canada bit.
@@Onikage55 No now he is so greedy he just wants whatever Screenwriter Guy wants. He doesn't even like poutine, he just wants to still what the other one loves.
@@adamvialpando106 Yeah, Producer Guy is so obsessed with Screenwriter Guy that he literally canonically went through surgery to look exactly like him
@@Br-kc2jy except he doesn't have glasses. That's one very important detail.
@@Br-kc2jy Wait what? Isn't Screenwriter guy a hallucination of Producer Guy, as per Batman (1989)?
A very purchasable country indeed!
I can't emphasize how little I care about these movies anymore... but watching their pitch meetings is always tight!
Yeah, I was wondering if it was as bad as I'd heard and holy shit I think it's even WORSE, lol. XD
It has come to the point where I'm happy that most movies are train wrecks because it makes such good Pitch Meeting episodes.
Yup, repeated questionable decisions of J. K. Rowling, the storyboard writers for the films and the choice of actors have made me care less about the films than a fart of above average volume. Love the pitch meetings though! :D
i can empathize with what you emphasize
@@AegixDrakan Yeah, Yeah , Yeah
"Wait did these people think that Jacob is a muggle or that he tried to assassinate Grindelwald using magic? It seems like it can't be both-"
*"Hey shut up!"*
The Harry Potter universe keeps trying to convince us that dumbledore is a good guy when he’s literally been exploiting his students since 1927, left a student to rot in Azkaban knowing fully well he was innocent, and allowed one of his students (possible magical ward?) to be abused for a decade. So, yeah. Guy with the purest heart. What a great dude.
And now they want us to believe he loves wands for more than one reason... 🤦♂️
Aside from that, at the end of the books/movies, we learn that he still hasn't forgiven himself for the death of his sister and he was thinking of leading the wizards together with Grindelwald... Like yeah people change and you can have good intentions (the Greater Good), but i wouldn't call it the purest of heart. Also makes you think about all the other people in the scene. How fucked up are their lives and hearts, that Dumbledore is the purest among them?
I actually don’t think he knew Sirius didn’t kill those people until he realized Peter pettigrew was alive
@@dRoscoAZit was said in the final book tho??
He also used Harry as bait for Voldemort.
I was so sure of Deer bowing down to Jacob as that is the only logical twist possible which makes sense as it completely shatters the main argument for war against the muggles
It absolutely doesn't. One muggle being pure of heart doesn't have any impact on the wizarding world going stir-crazy because they have to hide their existence constantly. It would have been narratively satisfying though, what with all the foreshadowing.
@@commandercorner5575 It does have an impact though, because there is a lot of racism in the wizarding world towards muggles.
Sure, ONE muggle being pure of heart doesnt LOGICALLY mean anything, but it does shatter beliefs that are NOT based on any logical reasoning.
@@xord1946 That racism is why it doesn't have an impact.
@@commandercorner5575 - Well seeing a magical creature preferring a muggle over The Great Dumbledore and all other candidates and persons present there does give a powerful message. The message that, any one can be good and any one can be bad, cast creed religion, colour, magical abilities have nothing to do with it.
@@gaurav12345pareek That's actually part of what bothered me about this movie. The Harry Potter series made it incredibly clear that magizoology and an interest in magical creatures in general is weird and rather looked down on. They even have little respect for intelligent, magic-capable creatures like centaurs and goblins. Hell, they shackled a freaking dragon in the bowels of Gringotts to use as a glorified guard dog. Even the first two Fantastic Beasts films established that the wizarding community at large was disinterested in magical creatures, outside of a couple notable exceptions that were just as out of character for the wizarding world. Now we're supposed to believe that they have all this respect for a magic fawn? It's not even remotely in the realm of congruent with the rest of the series.
“So do they think that Jacob is a muggle or tried to assassinate Grindlewald with magic because it feels like it can’t be both?”
“Hey shut up”
I hope "Hey shut up" is a new thing!
@@MattStryker Friendship ended with "Because shut up", "Hey shut up" is my new best friend.
To be fair, in the books at least it had been previously mentioned that part of the bigotry towards muggle-born wizards/witches is a false belief that magic can be stolen.
This of course just makes giving Jacob a wand an even more stupid idea as it would only reinforce that superstition.
I wanna see that typed as
"heyshutup"
@@EmeralBookwise I mean, JKR managed to make "preventing the holocaust" part of her villains rhetoric AFTER Jewish people very vocally pointed out that they felt the goblins running the banks looked uncomfortably close to certain caricatures. And then she retweeted a person that denies parts of the holocaust happened, but I'm not sure that's relevant considering that person did not deny the murder of jews, but of gays.
The audicity of "I don't knoe" when he is the one that wrote the plot is always make me laugh.
He had me at Nugget Scaffolding! 🤣
you can tell that Writer Ryan is secretly disappointed with his own movie
Hollywood drugs numb the pain
That's why if you watch the movie credits he doesnt use his real name...
100% agree that the Qilin kneeling before Jacob would have been better. It felt like the whole of Jacob’s arc in this
movie had been building up to that.
Subverted expectations are tight!™
Also the fact he is a muggle gives an easy out for him not being Wizard president and chosing someone else
@@pallydan893 this is spot on. Either the Qilins myth is just that, a myth. And it just picks random, which would be the only explanation for picking Dumbledoor, over Jacob.
Yeah everyone kept telling Jacob how brave he is and kind-hearted and selfless. In fact Dumbledore literally said to Jacob that he has a pure heart. I thought that was an obvious setup for something. The only reason I can think of why Rowling overlooked that payoff is because she's making stuff up as she goes along.
Subverting expectations are tight!
Ok Story Time; I went to see this yesterday and there was barely anyone in my screening. A few minutes in, a mother and her daughters - all under 11 years old - came in (expecting to see a fun family film with a guy talking to magical beasts). They came in just when we got the magical equivalent of Bambi and Grindlewald slitting the Chillen’s throat. Needless to say, an hour of magic politics in, they left.
My screening was me and my sister and two others that sat towards the top. That's it for a 5 o'clock show. And yeah I hated that scene as well.
Poor kids they come for fantastic beasts not stupid politics!
it's actually spelled as Qilin.
I bet that scene caused a lot of people to walk out, I might have walked out if I'd seen it in the theater. It certainly ruined the film for a good sized percentage of its audience.
it's chilean's*
The comment about the other candidates is spot on. We literally learn nothing about them. At one point in the movie, they said "Each candidate has their own unique vision for how they want to change not just our world but the non-magical world as well." And I just sat there thinking, it would be nice to know what those visions were.
I am disappointed that we did ask, "So, what are the actual Secrets of Dumbledore?" ... cause at no point do we actually address that in the movie.
Perfect fit since the crimes of grindelwald seemed to be...throwing a lizard out of a window, I guess?
The only "secret" is that Credence is his nephew. That's it. J.K only cares about making money and is retconing the entire Harry Potter franchise.
@@drogadepc disagree. Actually making Credence his nephew was the only way out without retconning. I was very worried at the end of part 2 and am quite relieved with this solution.
The secret is his intimate relationship with Grindelwald, the fact they still kind of love each other, the death of Ariana, the secret plots in this movie.
That he's gay (even though he's about as gay as Hermione is black despite what J.K. Rowling has tried to say on both matters) given that wouldn't fly in China. That and I guess that he gave Jacob a wand secretly to use Jacob as a fall-guy in an "assassination" attempt doomed to fail, which somehow still allows Dumbledore to be perceived as pure of heart by a magical baby deer (that he probably brainwashed when no one was looking) despite his manipulativeness.
I'm gonna say the exact same thing i said about the other fantastic beasts movies: This movie would be about a million times better if it actually was about, you know, fantastical beasts. Seriously, why the need to put a discount voldemort into those movies? Just have it be newt going around researching about fantastical beasts and gently educating his fellow wizards about them. And if you absolutly need some anatgonists have it be some crime syndicate hunting down those fantastical beasts to sell their parts or something like that.
I agree. The first movie had the magic and wonder of the Harry Potter series, but now they’ve just abandoned that for dark and gritty, with magic beasts thrown in “just because.”
Cinema has forgotten that movies can have self contained plots in favor of 'epic' story lines spanning across multiple movies.
but then they wouldn't be like the harry potter movies. everyone knows movies are only good if they copy other movie in every superficial detail.
The two stories could have easily been split and given the attention/time they deserved! I actually like both premises, but they don't go well together at all
True! I want to see fantastic beasts, can they just focus on them and not these humans? Maybe something like Pokémon where they are used to fight each other and our protagonist trying to stop this practice?
I saw this movie about three days ago, and I only understand what was happening thanks to Ryan's analysis.
It was sooooo bad. I made the mistake of telling the fantastic beast subreddit that I hated this movie 😂 it’s so weird so many people LOVE this movie
@@DadsCigaretteRun Well people can have their opinion lol
@@DadsCigaretteRun well they wouldn’t be making and moderating a subreddit for something they don’t like
Me too. Same thing happened with Cats (2019). I understood things better with his Pitch Meetings.
Maybe I should re-watch the Pitch Meeting for the second part. (If there is one, I have seen it already. But I'm not sure if there is.) Because all I remember is nonsense from it, and I kept thinking to myself "This confusion can't nearly all be explained by the fact that I am watching this film in the form of a cell phone bootleg."
Right, I really expected it to be Jacob there at the ceremony. It was even teased several times like by the dinner table when the creature liked him, when people told Jacob had a full good heart, and when Dumbledore told him what suitcase to pick up (which I expected held the creature but was proven incorrect)
“Hey can I ask you something?”
“Of course”
“What the hell is going on”
Is the perfect way to summarise the entire Fantastic Beasts series 😂
You missed the "exactly" at the end, that for me is the most clever line
@@joshuachang5210 couldn’t agree more Ryan’s delivery makes it that more hilarious as well 😂
The first film is fairly straightforward.
Then the second devoted far too much runtime to a red herring that went nowhere.
Well not all of the series the 1st one was ok
@@queeneon don’t get me wrong I agree I enjoy the 1st but the HP films feel like a full story each FB movie has felt like a different genre and movie series overall
My thoughts on this are that Jacob was on the film so he could be the one pure of hearth, but studio execs shot that idea down in favor of Dumbledore exactly for the reason Ryan points out, Dumbledore is a brand and is very popular. So they went for the easy choice instead of the correct one.
They chose what is easy instead of what is right
The plan is to not have a plan at all
Jacob is in the film because everyone loves Jacob, and they're not wrong, but it still makes no sense plot wise.
@@amandakay6330 Jacob is one of the worst characters in any movie i've ever seen. super annoying and literally adds nothing to the story
Honestly, considering the writer is the same person who went to Universal Studios instead of Disney, because they wouldn't give her a train, I don't see her not forcing a change like this. She probably has more control over what goes into her movies than any other writer.
So glad there's a way to watch AND be entertained by this movie without giving WB Money.
Not wasting money is TIGHT!!!
@@danavixen6274 Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Exactly! Between Ezra attacking women and Amber Turd pooping in JD's bed and admitting to hitting him, I have ZERO desire to give my hard earned money to WB until they do the right thing.
Don't forget JKRowling. I don't wanna give her money either!
Or JKR. I made a bet that it will take her less than two years until she openly identifies as far right and calls Ben Shapiro a feminist.
Omg the quilin kneeling in front of Jacob would make SO MUCH SENSE!!! it would explain completely why Dumbledore wanted him so much and it would make wayyyy more sense that it kneeling in front of Dumbledore who is... LOL not pure of heart, the whole harry potter saga is kinda about that.
I think you minda read fanfiction instead of the actual books.... cause last time I checked it was about some guy named Tom trying to kill some kid with glasses.
The fact that Dumbledore did some sketchy stuff *in the past* doesn't mean he can't be pure of heart in the present.
This also adds to the pain Dumbledore must be in because he is presented with empirical evidence that he is a good person yet he still can't bring himself to accept that as the case because of the guilt of what he has/might have done in the past.
I think the reason Dumbledore brought Jacob to begin with was because he thought it would bow to him, but was surprised and confused when it chose him instead.
I love that you brought back the buying Canada for poutine plot line.
Seconded!
More continuity than the movies he’s reviewing
The first fantastic beasts movie was fun and had a lot of good potential, the second movie shot its self in both feet then jumped overboard, in an attempt to save itself the third movie has tied a boulder around it’s sinking waist.
The accuracy in this take was so sharp I cut myself reading it
I liked 1 and 2 this one sucked so bad though
4:21 leading to the "Hey, shut up" is one of the funniest moments of any of Ryan's videos. I nearly spit out my drink. Haha.
Honestly, J.K and this new screenwriter should both be fired.
Ever since I watched this movie I've been waiting for this pitch meeting.
And yeah, you said exactly what I was expecting.
Can you imagine a world where the movies were as entertaining as these Pitch Meetings?
That would be tight.
No
Yeah. They're mostly without dialogue, so far less chance for needless exposition, and it's just wizards tracking down magical monsters and stopping them from hurting muggles whilst remaining hidden. Like conservationist wizards. Want Grindelwald in there, have him try to use magically mutated monsters to attack people so they have to stop his monster machination.
“Let’s give Jacob a wand!”
“Why?”
“So he can have a wand in the trailer.”
I DIED! 😂
CRINGE COMMENT DETECTED! 😅🤣😂🤣😅🤮
Haha, me too, it seems like that was the ONLY reason he was even recruited onto the team in the first place.
@@trinaq 💯💯💯💯
I had no idea Jacob had no magic in the movie. Ultimate bait and switch there JKR.
Wow wow wow…wow
On top of all this I want to know: What were the secrets of Dumbledore?!?!? If taken seriously, we get ONE secret - singular - which is revealed at the BEGINNING of the movie. There is no search for more secrets. We were promised multiple but none arised!
They are off hiding with the crimes of Grindlewald!
@@sharkrancher282 touché
I think I'm counting 3 major secrets: confirming albus's past romantic relationship with grindlewald (though that was hinted at for some time), that creedence is his estranged nephew, and that the dumbledore brothers accidentally killed their sister during a fight where they drew wands on each other
The way I see it, the title is referring primarily to Aberforth, not Albus.
I feel like if we have to guess then it has no reason being the title of the movie. It's not a macguffin. It doesn't spur on the non-existent plot. It affects no one.
Many websites listed the premise as something like: Grindelwad is gathering an army to start a war, Newt and his allies must race to stop him.
Realised this premise essentially applies to all 3 Fantastic Beasts movies since nothing really noteworthy happens.
Yeah, and as a result, the second one is the best
The biggest issue with the film that he forgot to mention is how Newt's assistant ordered a half dozen suitcase copies and in the big scene, there were only 4 copies. WTF
Also why did she even have to go to the shop to get them duplicated? They’re literal wizards, why didn’t they just duplicate them with magic?
What if a wizard's dozen is 8?
I thought I remembered her saying she needed five IIRC (and there were five, IIRC as well). I might be misremembering. She might have needed six but Dumbledore didn't have one. Idk maybe that was just a precaution to have more made.
@@revimfadli4666 She asked a muggle specialist.
@@john-michaelcrljen6713 magic leaves traces. It's a line from Dumbledore in Half Blood Prince
They actually did Depp a favour by dropping him from this fustercluck.
....as if Depp hasnt done a fuckton of terrible movies in his career? he pretty much hasnt been good since Sweeney Todd so fucking spare me.
Although considering people love Depp he wouldn't be affected much.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Dark Shadows
Of course, I'd die from coughing if i said every one of them. Lets also not pretend that EVERY role Johnny Depp plays is him playing Johnny Depp in cosplay. He has the acting range of a potato. But hey, thirsty middle-aged women think he is cute and incels have decided he is their messiah.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Johnny depp’s movie track record is damn near flawless what you on about.
@@wonderbread4323 mortdecai, dark shadows, every pirates sequel was pretty dumb, alice in wonderland, crimes of grindelwald
They really should have had the Chillin kneel in front of Jacob. That was a HUGE missed opportunity to elevate the story.
I don't remember but wasn't there actually a muggle Minister for Magic?
@@priyachoudhary9896 - No, that was Prime Minister John Major.
So you're saying it would have been a certified Bing Chillin moment™? 😉
*Qilin
@@spencervanderkley No, sorry, I'm afraid that's incorrect. It's Chillin'. Bing Chillin'.
Audience: how did you ruined a beloved franchise.
J.K. Rowling: it was super easy barely an inconvenience
Yes, Rowling definitely did write the script for these movies. Yup.
@@as3609 She literally did though. She has sole screenwriting credit for the first two and is credited with Steve Cloves as co-writer of the third one.
@@as3609 do you know what google is?
Because money.
😂😂
The “can I ask you a question? What the hell is going on?” That killed me 😂
Same. I saw the movie today, then immediately watched the Pitch Meeting. I had to pause it after that one and take some time to literally lol.
@@Aarongorn My wife and I actually enjoy these and I hope they keep making them, but when Ryan’s right he’s right 😂
"Spoilers Ahead" Don't know, don't care, I'm watching this either way, since it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience
Watching pitch meetings of movies you haven't watched is TIGHT
True
Watching the pitch meeting before the movie is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I was dragged by my mom to see this movie and it’s just as boring and nonsensical as he made it out to be. I spend the entire drive back home just pointing out EVERYTHING that didn’t make sense
Me too
Absolutely nailed it with this one. Basically addressed all the problems with the film.
I would've also accepted a line about why Abernathy & Nagini aren't in this film at all.
Who was Abernathy again?
@@lothianedwards7816 My thought exactly!
I was so uninvested in Nagini's existence I didn't even realize she was never mentioned.
Don't even know who Abernathy is.
@@lothianedwards7816 He worked at MACUSA, then in Crimes of Grindelwald it turned out he supports Grindelwald and (I think is a metamorphmagi and) at some point switched places with Grindelwald so he could escape.
Then he's at various places like the French Ministry with Rosier and at the Grindelwald rally at the mausoleum.
Sounds to me that writers as most of the audience forgot about them
This is probably the hardest I’ve laughed at a pitch meeting! the crab part really did it for me
Like.... They COULD have made this great if Newt mostly just "ended up" getting involved with Grindelwalds plots in every film while searching for.... Fantastic Beasts.
Our boy Newt deserves more protagonism
Kinda like how Harry ended up in Voldemort's plots despite just trying to go to school. Man what a great idea for a movie franchise
I would love if it was just Newt doing his thing while all this unfolding in the background. Like, we follow him trying to Catch’Em All while major war is happening.
I originally signed up for Eddie Redmayne catching Wizarding Pokémons in his hufflepuff scarf. I stopped it after the second movie was a freaking disaster
I once saw an alternate idea for how the franchise could have unfolded: like Indiana Jones. Each movie a completely stand-alone adventure in a different part of the world, with a plot centered around a beast of local mythology. The writers could have collaborated with the local film industry to flesh out how that country's Wizarding World works, and featured local movie stars in lead roles. It would have been a great way to expand the universe without bogging the series down in continuity traps.
The return of the "Wanting to buy Canada for the Poutine" gag was genuinely fantastic.
I salute the Producer’s dedication to buying Canada. Best of luck to him.
What Poutain does to a man...
Maybe he could start by buying British Columbia then work on collecting the rest of the provinces.
“What is going on?”
There was literally in the subtitles of the film a character that said “I don’t get it” during the election scene and I was like “that sums up the whole movie.”
Yes Dumbledore who is fine with sacrificing Harry and sending him back to his abusive relatives each year, gets the worse DADA professors (except Moony ofc) to test him, and presumably is so fine with bullying that he let Snape and The Marauders nearly kill each other is pure of heart. Of course he is
He could have been pure of heart before the Harry Potter franchise started and something happened to unpurify his heart.
Lupin was the best DADA professor.
@@sabalisigns4474 I guess but like to the extent where he is fine sacrificing a child!! That just doesn’t seem right
@@sabalisigns4474 Can't wait to see them cover that in Fantasic Beasts 8 or whatever
@@sabalisigns4474 I think that in the books Dumbledore specifically stated that he turned down offers to become the minister of magic because he doesn't trust himself in positions of power.
If not even Dumbledore thinks he's pure of heart, why would this animal?
“Hey shut up!!!! So then the good guys are like….” Lol!!!! I did not want to be spoiled on this movie BUT I can never resist a pitch meeting. 💛💛💛💛
Ryan's writing is great, I love it.
So True.. I'd rather Spoil the whole Franchise then to wait 24hours to watch the Pitch Meeting
The Ezra Miller jokes have endless possibilities
Yes they do.
My man is getting ready for GTA adaptation
assault every female muggle
"IT WASN'T ME BARRY!"
I often think your videos are a little over the top or too harsh, but this one was about 100% my tought process while watching this movie
That spectacular moment where Pitch Meeting comes up with a better plot resolution than JK Rowling.
INTERNET: “I feel the Wizards’ political system is nonsensical” for somehow enabling a wanted criminal to run for office
ME (a Venezuelan): *cries in the corner*
Not just Venezuela, most countries in the world allow criminals to run for office
-laughs in Venezuela
Cries in Brazil
**just cries**
I brought tissues❤️
"Hey, can I ask you something?"
"Of course"
"What the hell is going on?"
I exploded 😂
Only summary I’ve heard of the movie, and I’m glad
Jacob would have made the most sense. Great video
Studios need to hire this guy to point out plot holes in their scripts
But they already know. They just don't give a single F about any of that. Movies today make moneys mostly based on hype, nostalgia and star power plus CGI effects. The plot doesn't matters because there are tens of millions of boys and girls aged 8-19 that will go watch literally anything you put of screen.
So they give the job of writing plots to people they're buddy-buddy with, rather than based on quality and merit or skills.
I have to assume studios are paying him to do pitch meetings and supplying footage even shortly prior to release, in order for him to pull these off so seemingly quickly. Any hype is good hype if it sells tickets or online rentals/subscriptions.
@@Narcan885 even the CGI in this movie is goddamn awful
Bold of you to assume they would even consider filling any of those holes
"Isn't he a wanted criminal?"
"He is, yeah. But he gets some politicians to say he's not a wanted criminal anymore, and that means he can be a candidate immediately."
"Oh, I think the wizarding political system is kinda non-sensical."
Bro, that's literally Brazil
(the real life analogy to Grindelwald would be Luíz Inácio Lula da Silva for those who are wondering)
Are there any deer in Brazil?
@@skygazer6082 yes
Wasn't Lula declared innocent and was only arrested in the first place because the fascist Bolsonaro bribed the judge?
Do you prefer Bolsonaro?
Honestly, this is how Hitler rose to power in Germany. He literally was sent to prison for being involved in a coup. Yet, was however allowed to become Chancellor.
As soon as they started talking about Johnny Depp I knew where this was going and still laughed
I often forget the premise of this franchise is to include fantastic beast's in the movies, and that the creatures are basically mcguffins for the plot.
Yeah because that premise only made sense for barely a stand-alone little movie. Or a TV series with a completely different vibe where we follow the guy around the world finding creatures and having fun little adventures.
I mean, if she wanted to make movies about the Dumbledore - Grindelwald conflict, then she should've have started with that.
Now it feels like an afterthought as if she run out of material and didn't know what else to do, probably because she run out of material and didn't know what else to do.
It doesn't feel much like a premise anymore. The franchise was hijacked by Grindelwald in the first movie, relegating the fantastic beasts to the background. Now they're essentially meaningless single-scene setpieces mandated by a checklist, because it's too late to remove the "fantastic beasts" thing from the title of the series. The fantastic beasts aren't even that relevant to the plot for the most part, most of them are featured in one scene and then promptly forgotten.
*sigh*. I think there would have been great potential in making this franchise a bit like Indiana Jones, with each movie featuring Newt on a completely stand-alone adventure centered around a different beast in a different part of the world. For extra spice, they could have collaborated with the local film industry of the country in question to flesh out how the Wizarding World works in that country, and maybe featured some local movie stars in prominent roles. It would have been a great way to expand the franchise without bogging the series down in continuity traps.
@@Not_Quite_My_Tempo Excatly! I’m only really interested in the Dumbledore Grindelwald plot lines, nothing else, and that’s really what’s keeping anyone mildly interested anymore.
I almost thought the not-dead-twin-baby-deer-thing would still choose not-Johnny-Deep because he IS pure of heart, just pure evil lol
Yeah, like, that exact thing happened in Young Justice. A sword chose the bad guy because he was pure of heart aka he had no attachments or regrets after, ya know, murdering his sister and stuff like that. Grindelwald totally could've just chanced it
AND THEN you could have it NOT choose Grindledorf because his heart is conflicted over Youngbledore. Y'know, like that other bit of explicit text in the film that they only pay attention to when it's convenient?
@@hollandscottthomas More angst and exploring Grindelwald's feelings towards Lawbledore? You're fucking hired
"And they have the most desaturated fight " oh boy does that summarize almost every movie in the last 10 years 😂😂
hell yeah
I blame the Bourne Identity films-- desaturated shakey cams so you can't tell who is driving which car and why it matters.
I blame Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. It's so ridiculously easy to put a filter these days that everyone going to town with it. In the past, you have to literally tint the film strip to achieve a filter, that's why few people did it because it was so hard.
A guy being able to run for and nearly win political office even after people know he did horrible things beforehand is probably the most realistic thing in the whole Fantastic Beasts franchise.
Ah, but a recent poll has determined that there are over 12 people in the US who would not vote for a presidential candidate if he was convicted of a fellony in the same news cycle as the election, so there is hope for us muggles.
Took my wife to see this even though she had a bad taste in her mouth for anything in the Fantastic Beasts. Needless to say she was so disappointed after barely making it through the movie. Even slept for 10mins during the second act. I have no stake in Harry Potter world but it broke my heart to see her lose her love for this universe because of this movie and the 2nd movie being sooooo bad :(
The Star Wars sequels did that too
It’s an expensive franchise with lazy world building, brand care, and criminal storytelling that keeps giving diminishing returns. And it’s totally self-inflicted. WB under Discovery will have their hands wringing, forced to make the last two to keep Rowling happy.
@@ska7triumph the Wizarding World franchise or Fantastic Beasts?
I mean yeah I don't watch them for that same reason lol, the original story is pretty good and ended well, don't care for anything that came out after it lmao
When I hear the words "Wizards and Magic" I think fun, adventure, excitement, brightness, color. These movies are dark, colorless, lifeless, dull, boring. It's a movie of people walking and talking, walking and talking.
My biggest problem with the plot is that we know Albus sees glimpses of the future seen by Grindelwald, yet we don't know how. It's literally what leads the whole plot forward, the reason Jacob is there, it's the reason he's given the wand, the reason they acted in such a convoluted way, yet it's never explained. So it feels like we know even less than the main cast
The plan is to not have a plan at all
I think what Bunty kept saying in the movie somehow spilled over to the real world audience; "Nobody can't know everything." lol
I've always hated characters like that in books and film. Characters that know everything but doesn't share the knowledge to his friends because it would solve the plot in 5 minutes. So he divulges the information in small bits. It is VERY convoluted.
@@One.Zero.One101 Yup. If you have knowledge, you better have a hugely good reason not to share it. And sometimes it's done well. But here we don't know enough to judge, since we're told nothing about what Dumbledore knows, how, how he can change it, and why some random pieces are important to that plan. Even movies like Ocean's Eleven, or Now You See Me, which have somewhat convoluted plans, still explain them well, even if it's scattered here and there
Yeah when that deer kneeled in front of Dumbledore all I could think is "BULLSHIT!" Dumbledore openly acknowledged that he longed for power and stopped himself from achieving it multiple times because he didn't trust himself, even in his old age. No way that the Dumbledore of this time frame is pure of heart. That deer needed to kneel before Jacob.
This movie feels so out of left field that I cannot believe this was the original plan. The last movie had Grindelwald convincing people that Muggles needed to be ruled for their own good and he didn't hate them and that the goal was for wizards to not need to hide from the Muggles (in line with how he and Dumbledore discussed taking over the Wizarding World), and now suddenly he's openly declaring war on them and calling them abominations? Queenie's motivations for following him don't add up with what was established in the last movie. , Credence being Aberforth's son is way too out of nowhere (I was convinced that Credence was actually Arianna's Obscurial that had attached to Credence, which would have had enough clues but wouldn't have been an easy twist to figure out), the back story with Arianna should have had at least 10 more minutes, maybe a few flashbacks GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE MOVIE IS CALLED SECRETS OF DUMBLEDORE AND SHE WAS HIS BIGGEST SECRET
People can have their opinions on Rowling as a person or whatever; she is smarter than this, and has proven that she can write twists that had proper build up so they felt natural but also weren't too obvious, so I cannot believe that these "twists" are what she originally intended. It really does feel like someone else was brought in to write this third movie
She wrote the screenplay. All three of these were written by her. She's a has-been who's high on her own supply.
Having it kneel in front of Jacob would have been terribly cliche but it's much better than what they gave us. I think it was written when the "subversive" trend was happening and they filmed it much later. On the whole a pretty dumb and non-sensical movie.
@@abhiramnaik6720 should have taken out the whole mass war against muggles and make it that it actually would have kneeled to grindenwald making it more complicated
A novel and a screenplay are two very different mediums that need a different set of skills. Just because someone is talented at one medium of writing doesn't mean they'll be good at another. She should have written this series as novels (her strength) and let a screenwriter adapt them to film later.
@@ArnisKaye if the only problem was that it was the wrong format, then the movie's only problem would've been improper pacing and too much dialogue. That's what happens when an author turn a book directly into a movie.
But Secrets of Dumbledore is so bad, even if it were a book, it would still be bad. I'm convinced Rowling only has her name on the project but has very little actual influence. I wouldn't be surprised if she accidentally signed a contract without fully understanding it and is now just being bullied by Hollywood.
4:22 the "hey shut up" made me piss into my socks. Ryan, you owe me new shoes.
The nonsensical plans coalescing into one coherent plan to stop someone who can predict movements is literally the plot of a Rick and morty episode
Yeah... only R&M pulls it off without the extra 2 hours of wasted padding :-p
"what the hell is going on?"
"exactly!" the best excuse I'll ever say to my boss.
Dumbledores track record in the original books for child endangerment makes that pure of heart thing a little difficult for me to believe
Yeah, he sounds like a completely grey character.
exactly. he makes newt and harry and all these other, younger, less powerful or experienced wizards do his bidding & most dangerous missions when he's strong and skilled enough to deal with over half the problems himself. thinking the villain is too hot to fight isn't enough lol
It's been a while, but didn't a huge chunk of the Deathly Hallows book revolve around Harry finding out that Dumbledore wasn't as great as Harry thought he was?
Didn't Rita Skeeter uncover a bunch of bad shit from Dumbledore's past in one of the first chapters that proves that Dumbledore wasn't that pure of heart at all?
@@confusionandcreation6036 Rita Skeeter is kinda the shittiest reporter in there.
@@confusionandcreation6036 Dumbledore admitted that he and Grindelwald became unified in their search for the Deathly Hallows, which would allow them to overcome death. They planned to use this power to overturn the ministry and create a new order, with wizards lording over muggles. So yes, not very pure of heart.
I love that in the election part in the mountains, Newt is stopped by the German guy's assistant, she takes his briefcase and knocks him out. Then Newt wakes up immediately, runs up to her, takes the briefcase back with 0 effort and the briefcase disappears for some reason, and there is no point to EITHER of the interactions because Newt just appears near the election candidates right after, and the assistance never appears again... Why was that in the movie?!
Both Newt and Jacob are really pure of hearth.
Dumbledore, instead, permits to his love for a psychopath to block himself to do the right thing and to stop people be endangered.
The deer election makes no sense.
Grindleweld is more pure of heart than Dumbledore. It's a purity of evil, but still, more pure.
I would say Newt is easily the most pure of heart, but who knows! We have been given so little information on this main protagonist...
The same woman who thought Snape's obsession with Lily would be romantic is behind this
While jacob seems like a great guy, he really doesn’t seem pure of heart. I agree with newt though.
@@markuhler2664 "Don't you have to be pure of heart to become a super saiyan?" - "Yes, and my heart is pure. pure badassery!" (Or something like this XD)
Was waiting for the Ezra Miller joke. Leaving extremely satisfied.
I don't know who that is or anything about him, so I was getting really worried I was about to learn Mads Mikkelsen did something terrible.
The Flash represents just how fast and easy Ezra Miller gets out of legal consequences for breaking the law repeatedly.
@@sygmarvexarion7891 prob not now 😂
Still waiting for a JKR joke.
Your videos are always funny, but that super quick "Hey shut up" response that goes into the next sentence without missing a beat made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video
4:28
3:40 the "doing this" part made me tear up, I can't stop laughing