5 Things You Should Know BEFORE You Buy A Tudor Black Bay 58
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- I’m not shy to admit it: I think the Tudor Black Bay 58 may well be the most perfect watch you can buy today. It has everything, style, heritage, value, reliability, and that makes finding fault with it very tricky. Although when a watch is this good, those faults, however small, can start to make themselves rather well known. Let’s take a look.
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This video has convinced me that this is a terrible watch and I’m going to have to go buy one as soon as possible.
lol
LOL. I don't think I ever disliked any watch on this channel. They're either classy or gods money expensive.
Yea me too lol
😂😂😂😂Me too, buying one soon.
Me too ☺️
Before: Tudor is a Poor man's Rolex
Now: Tudor is a Smart man's Rolex
I hated the snow flake hands but over time I have grown to love it! It is one of the things that make the Tudor a Tudor.
Very much like the helium escape valve on the Omega Seamaster. Either it adds to the character or you hate it lol. Doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of in between.
When you know why they are snowflake hands (by the request of the French Navy, so they can be better seen deep under water by marine welders), you get it. It’s form following function. It’s beyond opinion on aesthetics. A tool, not a design.
@@jswede1 Didn’t know that... Thanks for posting, James. I actually much prefer the “Snowflake” to the “Mercedes”.
Exactly the same. Used to hate it and it just grew on me. Now I love it... There's not a lot of design these days that isn't borrowed and used by other watches but those hands are decidedly Tudor.
Me too. Hated it at first but now can’t get enough of it
I love how the silliest gripes are used to show what an absolutely amazing watch this is. Fantastic video!
☺️that’s the point 😎
I actually love the shield. As a story, it is the shield that protects the Crown (Rolex), and I quite like that. The Rose is definitely cool too. Next watch to dissect would be an Omega Seamaster Professional.
Aaahh, the Shield that protects the Crown. I like that
That sounds fckin badass and very royalty
What a line! I Love it
Thanks for reminding me I need one of these in my collection. Would be a great daily wear.
It is my everyday watch . ( original)
Most people don’t know that the Tudor shield was chosen because the shield is there to protect the crown
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👏 😂
Thats funny seeing as this model is based on the early submariner big crown models that dont actually have crown guards lol! 🤷♂️
@@philipharvey1939 when he says “crown” he’s referring to the rolex crown
@@avarmaukI knew what he meant. Its just my sense of humour type of reply lol. No offence meant !
I love the snowflake hands. Everyone uses the Mercedes hands. I’m sick of Mercedes hands.
The snowflake hands avoid the extreme tackiness of the Mercedes hand. What is not to love.
Redbull fan?
For me, the hour hand and
thickness of turods is the reason why I don't have it yet. I'm not say that I hate the "snow flake" bot it's always looks for me as a hammer not snow flake.
@@70soul35 I agree, it's not a snowflake.
Please do the ANNOYING Rolex Daytona!
I love the original BB58, but every time I see a high quality video of the blue version I am reminded of what an inescapably great looking watch it is. Perfect shade of blue, supremely legible. I could afford one of these two, but haven’t reached the point where I can justify the purchase to myself. Thankfully Tudor spared me further confusion/desire by only releasing the 925 Silver version on a strap rather than a bracelet.
BTW, I agree on the dial text. Drop “Officially” and just have “Chronometer Certified.”
The coin edge is what I like better about the Tudor vs the Rolex subs. Diver homages also use the harsher scalloped bezel edge which over time to me has diluted the sub mariner look for me. The Tudor doesn’t look cheap to me but actually more sophisticated.
It's also far easier to grip. People try to grip it from the top like the sub but you grip it from the side and it is far easier to use.
I agree
Because of your in depth knowledge & commentary I finally decided on the Tudor black bay ceramic. It's simply marvelous timepiece. Thank!
Yes it is!!! Are you enjoying it?
I love this watch every part of it, this watch is so good that people actually put the watch in front of them to look for faults 😂😂😂, what a watch.
Damn you’ve tried hard to find flaws with the BB58. My only gripe when I first got it was the faux rivets but you just don’t notice them in day to day life. Either way another great video, keep up the good work!
Agree. The only thing I’m on the fence is the faux rivets. But there’s so many pros to the watch that it becomes easier to ignore/accept the rivets.
@@avarmauk trust me you never notice them once it’s on
Why do the faux rivets bother you in the first place?
@@Mattcrafter15 because they are faux
@@avarmauk that's a description rather an explanation of why it bothers you.
I really appriciate to you for making a high quality reviews
Picked mine up yesterday and love it! I will list my pet peeves without watching this video.
1. Micro-adjustment clasp requires a tool.
2. Fake rivets on the sides of the bracelet
3. The snowflake on the hour hand could be smaller
4. No engraving at all on the back or the clasp :( Wasted canvas
5. I realize Rolex wants to differentiate Black Bay from Submariner, but I really think the bezel could use more pronounced teeth
Whats the price of one of these ?
@@stephenstaerck1131 I think under $4000 in Western countries but 10-20% higher in Korea where I live
I’m so glad I’m a tudor fan since the late eighties. I own a few submariners, blue and black, some chronos and i can choose between the tudor shield and the rose. So needless to say i was pretty suprised when in 2011 Tudor came with the new Chrono Heritage in grey and black dail to let everybody know they’re back. The new 58 will be a new watch in my collection, maybe black or blue. Thank you for talking about the little love of my life.
One of the aesthetic items that pushed me to buy this watch was the coin edge. I looked at it and it thought what an understated design choice. The execution was bang on for me too. The shape of the crystal edge with that perfectly shaped radius just makes me smile when I look at it. And the rivets...well, I thought I would hate them but oddly, I'm beginning to think that I might miss them if they disappeared in an alternate universe. A couple of years ago when this watch was all the hype, I held one and it was lost on me. I'll take a SM300 and marvel at the technical achievement of that piece, but somehow this watch, the BB, just nails it. My new fav.
I bought the bb58 original around a year ago and absolutely love it. My only gripe is the lack of adjustment in the bracelet. Otherwise I can't fault it.
Man the BB58 blue is so beautiful.
It really is, but I prefer the black one myself. Black dial and bezel with gold idecies and numbers on the bezel, and that little pop of red at the 12 pip of the bezel. I'm struggling to decide between the white dial Seamaster Pro 300m and the BB58 black. Gonna be a gift to myself for my 50th, so I have a couple years to sort it out at least.
The blue bb58 is the best looking
@@Hrethgir the nice thing about Omega and Tudor is you can actually buy them. 😬
The snowflake hand is one of my favourite things on my Black Bay. I have a 79230n on black leather and khaki NATO. I absolutely love it, the geometrical shapes are very satisfying
The only thing I wish this watch had was a ceramic bezel and a version in black (without the gold tint). I would be ecstatic if Tudor released a 58 like that. I think that might be releasing one in the near future since they released a fully blacked out ceramic black bay, so maybe I should hold out for a bit longer. The value on this watch is just incredible though and happy they finally shrunk the diameter, height, and band size.
Wearing one right now. Was a graduation gift. First mechanical "nice" watch. Love it.
Whenever I look at the Tudor Shield- it always looks like Joker having a smile!
The rose will show up on products later in the revival... I suspect for real serious limited editions.
Now I can't unsee it🥴
Yeah I never noticed that either.
Now that’s all I see.
I also have the same watch
"annoying watch"? Oh, the Panerai Due, for sure. (imo a great watch, but nobody seems to agree)
What's wrong with the Due? I love it
Everyone agrees. It receives frequent scorn. 30m resistance in a watch with its heritage? An absolute slap.
I think the issue is just the amount your paying for ETA movements, or even ETA based ones. So there's nothing actually wrong, I think the value just isn't there for a lot of people. But it's still unclear how much work they do on the movements or not.
My favourite watch in my collection! It’s an easy everyday watch to wear, which looks classy with a classic look. 👌
Opened the vid, clicked "like", double-checked that I'm subscribed, settled back to watch the video.
I have the BB58 Black and you are right. The hands are wonderful. Anyone who doesn't like them probably doesn't own one and just likes to claim that's the reason...LOL. At least we get the rose on the crown!. great vid as always.
…and as for those rivets. Yet I still love the watch
thats the most terrible flaw in terms of design, speaking for me.
@@tundetwasvordemk5345 You can keep the end links and the clasp and swap the rest out for an oyster bracelet.
Yes, funny how that didn’t come up
Buy the watch and you'll forget about those rivets.
I recently purchased a new Benrus Type 1 LE (yes, the Benrus brand has been revitalized by an investment group); the Type 1 was initially only issued to US military personnel, and the original iterations are highly sought after collector pieces.
The re-edition is pretty faithful to the original from a design perspective, but I think you could have a blast picking its flaws apart.
On the snowflake, it's fine on the 58. It's on the chrono that I don't like it. It's a major flaw that it obscures the subdials depending on the time. Paying that for a chrono and not having the ability to use it I struggle with as I love the chrono.
But the original Tudor watches had snowflake hands with the the square hour markers like how the pelagos dial is, they were never used with the round hour markers, the black bay is like a mish mash of there watches throughout the years.
@@psmith2632 agree the originals had the snowflake and I get your point on the Pelegos. What I was trying to say is that the snowflake hand does not work on the chrono layout wise. I think they could have done something different so you can use the chrono. They have other hour hand styles in their history they could have used to my mind.
Agreed, but I would’ve solved the problem by skeletonising the snowflake hand. A simple and effective solution that would look good, as per the Seamaster.
@@mr_watchaddict3146 Tudor needs to read your comment
does anyone really ever use the chrono sub dials enough to actually encounter the flake being in the way? if anyone even uses the dials i dont and have 5 or 6 of them
An update to an earlier post: . Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 version as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. But after watching some of your helpful videos, plus many others, I succumbed and I have just purchased a new BB 58 Black version in late Dec 21 from my AD at retail - there is no shortage of them in the UK these days.
I do, and still love the blue, but I have also grown to adore the warmer, more vintage appeal that the black version exudes, not to mention the slightly darker shade of steel Tudor has cleverly used to add further differentiation. Maybe owning identically-made watches with the exact same specs is crazy, but hey it's Christmas after all !
is it me or is the bb58 getting a lot of hate lately? people thought it was the hottest ticket, but now people are being turned off by it by the "vintage inspiration" and now this!? i love my bb58 still!
I think many are coming to the realization that it’s really a dull watch and if it weren’t for the Rolex association and the group think of every RUclipsr raving about it, the watch really falls flat against other watches in similar price range.
Gah! I’m so in love with this watch! Best watch of 2020, and I’m genuinely looking forward to what offerings tudor give us next!
At about 7:45, best comment ever: "Even Tolkien would say that was too dense". Excellent!
His movie/book references and quotes he slips in are amazing. Pretty sure I heard a Mallrats reference in one video.
Please review the Longines spirit 40mm, it's a great watch and a bargain, chronometer grade movement and puts more expensive watches to shame.
My favorite channel on youtube..my gf asked me to put this on as she was going to sleep...such a win win...poetry to say the least.
In Nov 2021 I bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue on the steel bracelet to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've cherished for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and aluminium bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear on my 7 inch wrist. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it when it's barely 40% of a steel Sub's retail price (if you could actually get a Sub that is !)- visit an AD and try one on. An in-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve, staggering lume.... you won't be disappointed. Ignore the fuss about the faux rivets - you cannot see them when wearing the watch and they are designed to be a vintage-style idiosyncrasy.
I really hope that review the H.Moser swiss Alps rinal upgrade watch. The watch itself is really really strange and a think could be very controversial. Nothing other than a research from watch finder would be able to explain the intention and reality of that watch.
The crystal and shield are definitely personal preferences. I kind of like the slim profile of the Sapphire and the 'boring' shield is perfect for me. The rose always was a little frilly for my taste.
As for the essay on the dial, I think it balances out the logo pretty nicely but that may just be me. I do love the snowflake as well though.
I agree. There's something to be said for a simple, clean logo design. The shield has never bothered me. And for me, the wording is a plus point. I would rather buy this than the 1926 that just says Rotor Self-Winding, which is dumb.
Was just looking to bite the bullet on the black one this month and I was hoping this video would make me think twice about it... but you just pushed me more into wanting it!
Just get it Josef you won’t regret it. I too got the black as I feel it is more versatile, a bloody great watch.
@@lawrenceh7182 local AD just got one in stock for me last week. Haven't gone to visit yet but I guess this is it!
@@josefsbeach Josef you need to get yourself down there and try it on dude!
I love my “Navy” like I loved my MX-5, fun, simple to use everyday, good to look at and affordable. A perfect daily.
Please review a GP laureato , or the brand in general. Thanks for the brilliant reviews. James.
He actually has, by comparing it to the VC overseas
I hated the rivets at first but in person they’re actually really small 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t mind them now, so make sure you see one in person because it may change your mind 😊 oh and also… there is a big difference between Land Rover and Range Rover 😂
Why rivets?
100% better in person
@@HOBBL3 typo, sorry. What rivets tho?
@@oliverfasola19 for looks basically
My BB58’s bracelet rattles when i shake my wrist and it’s quite annoying… Does anyone else have this problem?
The narrative details like "Booo!" , "officially annoying" and "annoying are the people who hate it" are, as always, spot on!
The only annoying thing I find is that I don't have the funds to buy this fantastic watch lol
I got a pre owned original one .
@@davidcoleman2796 and?
@@quatrical you can too.
As soon as the BB58 line has a tool free micro adjust clasp like the one on the pelagos or even the new bronze 58, I’d buy one in a heart beat.
Seriously, a diver without and adjustable clasp is a shame.
That would be nice if they added that, but at least it still looks great on a NATO!
For just a slightly higher price, you can opt for the GMT version which offers both a date function and a true GMT feature. While I absolutely adore the black bay series, having a date complication is something I simply cannot live without.
Great video, as always! It's something magical in what I hear while watching each detail of beautiful timepeace (or a watch). Tones of informations presented so fluidly and acceptable so I always want to get more of it. And I am getting it each time. Not only historical facts, or technical details, there is something addictive in the way those sentences are presented, The Voice!! Beautiful! There is only one thing that I miss. Wouldn't it be great if there was an audio of a presented watch? Hearing it speak for itself.
People are telling me they are bored of Tudor BB58!? How can that be? Guys, don’t underestimate this! Get BB58
You should do a five reasons to love the re issue of the 60's classic, rado captin cook, a modern classic (in my opinion)
Breitling Chronomat, I think a good contender for the next clip.
Love your channel, the Dutch are behind you ✌️
I own a Breitling Galactic 41 and so far I have never seen one in the wild 👍🏻
I second that choice.
I have a huge problem with Tudor…. The problem is, I have two of them and I want 4 more from the current catalogue. I have 1 Rolex and now realise that I’m “fortunate” to have been “allowed” to buy it. The chances of me getting another Rolex from an AD are slim to none. Apart from the new Zenith Sport Chronograph (which is over £8000!!) I haven’t seen anything from any other company (other than Tudor) that I’d like. I think it’s time the other guys upped their game!!
Yea Rolex has taken the artificial scarcity game too far IMHO.
The SD4000 is probably still my favorite watch though.
But wow that Zenith Sport Chronomaster is damn near perfect isnt it?!
Try 40 mm IWC Petit Prince in blue, on bracelet. I own several Tudors, which are fabulous.....but the 40mm Pilot from IWC is turning my watch crank big time, excuse the pun.
I LOVE the Zenith El primero 1969 with the slight open heart 🤩
Breitling is using the Tudor movement.
You can get a rolex from an AD, you just can't get it TODAY. You need to wait. And possibly for a long time. That is the price of admission.
Love my BB58. Can’t fault it, really.
The only drawback of this watch is that i think it really belongs on the bracelet. It doesn’t look nearly as good on anything else. Whereas the black version of the bb58 is more versatile imo
If you have a chance to see one in person, do it. I had it in blue with both the bracelet and a blue leather strap as an option. I went with the latter. Not a regret at all. It looks stunning. That’s not why I buy watches, but the blue 58 with blue leather strap is a head turner. It only means how beautiful it is. I get asked about it from people that don’t even know watches. Take a look. It’s great.
I have the original one on the Nato . I love it.
This is now my favourite Watchfinder video of my favourite watch in my collection. Well Done 👏🏼
Your chanel is probably the best watch channel on RUclips yet.
Man….when you said flashback and used sun tan lotion….truly loved that….that alone was a flashback for me….
Had it for about a year. I can’t see myself flipping it as I did with many others. Yes it has flaws but … I still love it to death.
Let’s go really decisive and review the 2265.80.00 omega seamaster quartz !!
Battery haa.. old style clasp haa.. arguably still the best looking SM dial in existence. And yes it’s a keeper 😁👍
So it was you sitting behind my Evoque at the traffic lights - I wondered what you were mouthing..... :-)
This watch it amazing. The design is beautiful. So much attention to detail. Good investment
I've never owned one or even seen one in reality, but the Rolex Sky Dweller seems a good candidate for annoying.
The only thing I think the BB58 must have, is the drilled lugs. This is a must have for a old styled watch. For me it will be perfect !
I bought the BB58 925 as my first luxury watch last week and I’m fully in love
I bought the black / guilt BB58 a while back. Can't fault it, no QC issues fits very well on the wrist, looks stunning, keeps good time and perceptibly quality-wise, certainly looks no worse than my Rolex and way better value. The way the colours sit together, are simply excellent.
comparison is the thief of joy. stop comparing this to a rolex.
Hey this morning i decided to put on my BB 58 after about a week off. Glad i did!
I wanted one of these until I saw it in person, and then I went from merely wanting it to absolutely needing it in my life. I didn't leave the store without it, and I couldn't be more pleased at my decision. Just buy one already!
I have a Sinn 104 St SA ABE limited edition blue dial blue bezel and I have been kicking around selling it to buy this watch, I think your video sold me. I have Tudor BB GMT and love it, can't see why I wouldn't love this one too. Thanks for the video. Sorry I am one of the 60% lolololol and I watch your videos all the time.
The only “issue” I’m at all concerned with is the bezel knurling, and even them I’m OK with it and just would prefer it be better. Coin-edge is what it is, but something like the Tudor/Rolex Sub edging would be ideal.
Talking Hands: Officially certified. Officially annoying.
Me: [Nerd laugh]
G-shocks are certainly divisive watches and tend to either be loathed by people or then we collect several dozen of them. I think a Watchfinder take on G-shock would be fun. Can we have a G-shock episode, please? :)
I have just received mine,,
I love it❤️
U r very lucky my friend
I would like to see an Armin Strorm. Preferably a gravity equal force or a tribute 1. Since you asked. :)
I used to prefer this blue iteration of the BB58. But recently I've done a complete 180 degrees turn, and now favour the more warmer-toned black dialled version with the iconic red triangle on the bezel at the 12:00 position. This blue version now seems kind of cold and sterile in comparison
If it weren’t for the big crown association, group think, fair price most would find it an abysmally dull watch. Agree the original bb58 is a far better iteration.
As you arleady talked about Navitimer B01 (Maybe another one?) ..for the future video please talk about: Nomos Metro Update 41, Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe. those three are in my list to get. I want to see some macro shots, thanks !
This is almost like when they ask you to name a few of your own bad characteristics, which you turn into positives indirectly 😂
"more superfluous than Superlative " LMAO
The biggest flaw for me is that the clasp only has three micro adjustments. If Tudor included half links in the bracelet without rivets this watch would be perfect imo. Only having 3 micro adjustments is a shame and the reason for this is because the rivets on the full size link that attaches to the clasp prevents it from fully articulating inside the clasp past three micro adjustments. The oris divers 65 gets around this by including a couple half links without rivets on their bracelet. This allows for 5 micro adjustments on the divers 65.
If the whole watch gig doesn't work out for you, believe me, you have a voice for a career nature/animal documentaries.
My annoyance is I’ve had to have my GMT back for service twice in the 2 years I’ve owned it, and the second time Rolex sent it back broken. They finally got it fixed and still love the watch.
I though, oh no when I first saw your vid pop up in my feed. I'm buying the 39 BB blue for my son's 34th birthday present this month. I was considering the 41 at first, but I personally found it to be a bit too much. I'm going to tell him about it before he removes the polyimide, just in case he wants to go scope it out. I think he'll overlook all the "negative aspects" you pointed out about this watch. 😉 I was unaware of the origin of the name, now I know. Great vid, thank you. 👍
The knurling looks so much better than the knurling on a sub!
Fantastic video. Please put the Cartier santos next
Fun video, I love the little quips sprinkled along the way.
I like Tudor watches, but at 6min 35secs, that close up of the shield screamed... Erm, Scream, the character from the movie.
Agree with the bezel edge and the shield logo.
Why does the bb58 look so much better under macro than any Rolex?
My 2 issues are the hour hand proportion and the lack of crown protector (for a tool watch).
It’s their tool watch lite, to be fair. Love the look of open crowns.
I think Tudors just look better than rolexes in general.
it’s more of a “tool watch”
The hour hand is not as present in real life, as everything on the watch is delicately taken back. Magnified everything comes to a presence, which is not really there wearing the watch.
@@guignolification thanks
There's another thing acrylic does better than sapphire: it's infinitely stronger under pressure. If you're 200 feet down, try not to bump your sapphire against a stanchion or something.
I want to love that watch but I just can’t - I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it but it’s to my eyes it’s just not something that says I must own it .
I love Tolkien and laughed out loud at the reference!
Fantastic humour and accuracy as per the norm….great fun to watch.
I’ve had my BB58 a year now. Trust me people, the rivets ARE NOT AN ISSUE!!! This watch is a piece of art and something you feel more in love with by the day
Have had one for a couple of months now and agree, it's a piece of art, the only negative for me is that I am constantly staring at it and will have an accident if I'm not careful 😁
"what annoying watch ..." Try that other 'perfect' watch: the Omega Seamaster 300.
I was in doubt of which one to choose, the bb58 925 or the seamaster 300.... At the end, I opted for the bb58, but.... The omega will be one of the next
@@sandrinoes either way that is a very fine choice. That silver part really does it. Actually I am looking at the gmt, something omega only offers with the 'somehow' to big' planet ocean. Didn't make up my mind yet. Enjoy yours. Amazing watch!
The 'If it wasn't for the helium escape valve I'd buy one' crowd can do one and buy a Submariner.
Just like the snowflake hands make a Black Bay, the HEV makes a Seamaster 300m.
or the Omega Seamaster 300 Co-Axial 233.30.41.21.01.001, better than the Tudor in every aspect.
I have a daily tag aquaracer, an omega planet ocean 46mm with rubberish and stainless strap, a tudor bb58 and a tudor royal. The omega by far the most expensivest, by far the best brand…but ive not worn it in at least a year…bb58 and the tag are suprisingly the ones for me at the mo…
I'm not a watch expert but I own this exact watch as well as 2 subs and a Longines and I can tell you wearing this watch on your wrist you can tell just how good it is more so than both of my subs.This watch was made to be good not say that it is good.
I love the snowflake hand because I like angles, and because it looks like a scepter. Which, unless I am gravely mistaken, fits the other Tudor motifs.
Is the background sound/music choppy? Nevermind....must have been the watch.
adding square hour indexes is probably the only thing that would make this watch better.
My keeper is BB58 in burgundy/ first gen (rose) doing minus one sec per day... & blooody beautiful👌🏻😉