Why Stack & Tilt May Change Your Life
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Weight forward really changed my game. Way more consistent contact. I don’t expect to become pro, I just want to have fun! Thank you both.
Just tried this after seeing these vids and cut out 10 shots 1st round out and should have done WAY better
Love to hear that!!
Same here. It's the only way I get consistent contact with my irons. It doesn't work as well for me off the tee box but for my irons it is money
I was distracted by the crispy fried chicken tasty sounds you both were cooking with them irons.
Lol
Yes
@@CogornoGolf can you please explain the stack part and what the tilt part means so I can practice set up the right way please?! Thanks
Two of my favourite instructors combined…love to see more of that
:)
It's crazy how every time I notice a flaw in my swing there is a eric cogorno video uploaded straight to my feed that addresses it. Best golf instructor on youtube
You prob have a lot of flaws in your swing
@@gametimeflagfootball There absolutely is I am still struggling between 80-85 trying to get under 80 for good
@@StevieTv3 sound like decade golf approach could help u get there
Lol
Much respect to you Eric for acknowledging how good stack and tilt can be for some people. I changed to it and it did change my golf life. Love to see videos like this. More instructors need to get out and explore other swings to help everyone they can.
Appreciate ya!
Eric, you've nailed it with this 'driving range discussion' format. Aside from the great info, it's aesthetically pleasing to watch. You are getting better all the time.
Thanks, Bruce! Wasn't sure how it would come out but I quite liked it as well :)
I remember I was practicing on the range and a golf instructor started give me some advice. I told him I was doing stack and tilt, and he began to get visually upset. I just thought it was hilarious.
:)
i guess it's not for everyone but i like it.
I watch both individually, great to see the collaborative effort. Good chemistry!
:) Appreciate the support!
Possibly my favorite series of golf tutourial vids I've seen on the Y-tube. The Tom & Eric collab is gold. Well done guys, and thanks so much for your very helpful content!
Appreciate the kind words and support! We had a really good time!
I personally found huge amounts of amusement watching the “Spaulding” cameos……. playing catch with himself in the background……. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Very different video but truly enjoyable. It was effective because the viewer could see the difference for themselves between two very good swings. And having you two describe the principles of stack and tilt was informative. Really appreciate, Eric, that you continue to be open minded with other professionals about the different ways to approach swing improvement. Well done.
Thank you--appreciate that! Always fun to hear others thoughts and inputs....lots to learn! We enjoyed this format as well---something different!
@@CogornoGolf Yeah, the casual format is great, just like your attitide while swinging should be more casual, works for me better anyway
Weight forward, hands in, arms straight, shoulder down, hips tucked. I haven’t missed a fairway in many rounds. Love these guys. They are awesome. Don’t go into the weeds, listen to these dudes, Rob Cheney…Golftec…all equal better and more consistent ball striking.
Love it Rob!!
A course vlog with you two would be great!
Would love to! Maybe next time we are down!
You two are the last two coaches I ever expected to see in a collaboration lol. Its nice to see everyone getting along though 🙂
Lots of fun---Tom is great!
If SnT is the opposite of everything most amateurs are doing wrong, i.e., weight back and out-to-in, then why not try it! I would suggest a 'hooded' clubface back and through would help to cultivate a push-draw? Crispy KFC yeah!
Good points!!
I bet this was the most altruistic thing on all of YT today. I share Toms experience in that when I discovered S&T it was like the game I had loved and been obsessed about for so long suddenly began to love me back a little more cincerely... off course, with S&T you still need to do it the right way and properly to succeed. But at least you got an honest chance - and yes, I've found it to work briiliant with the driver too (when done as prescribed) Thanks!! Martin hcp 5
Thanks, Martin!
I'll never be able to play golf if I have to know about squares and rhombuses and Papa John's pizza.
:)
Eric a great video! I’ve had the good fortune to see Tom in person and get his help. I was about to quit golf due to neurological issues that had taken a toll on my ability to play the timing based slide and glide swing I’d had for 66 years. Having played as a single digit golfer for most of my life, it was hard to see those scores going up to the point of quitting. I’ll never overcome my ailments, but Tom has simplified my motion to mostly crispy and that I can live with and enjoy. Thanks Tom!
Glad to hear you got back on track, Gerald! Tom is great! Keep enjoying the game!!
Eric, Eric, Eric . . . "proof is in the pudding" is not the saying, that doesn't mean anything. The correct saying is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ie. it might look great but you won't really know until you bite into that sucker!!
Anyway, English lessons aside, are you for or against the 'stack and tilt' swing? I subscribe to your channel and that's not what you teach . . . HELP 🙃
Lol :)
Golf is really hard to understand for the beginner. You've got so many people saying this is the correct way. Now this is the correct way it's very hard. There should be one simple way to show how to hit a ball, hit it straight and precise.
I hear ya Danny---thanks for watching and the feedback!
Tom’s hair is wild! 😂 that dude has such a pure swing!
Lol yeah man hes a fun guy---really good dude!
As a golf fitness trainer, I totally agree with the stack and tilt. It really helps to minimize lower back pain and keeps your core engaged through your swing. There are a few nuances to the stack and tilt which can be helpful for the older golfer.
Love it!
This partnership is great to see! I’ve watched Toms growth on RUclips from the beginning. Great to see the respect, Eric. Good on you
Thanks, Drew! Good fun!
I been following Tom for over a year. Today shot my best score to date....77 stack n tilt!!!!!!
Love to hear that!
Eric doesn't look like he loads his weight onto the front foot as much as other stack and tilt swingers. I mean Tom looks just like Jess Frank and Nick Taylor at the top of the backswing but Eric's swing looks more like a traditional swing with the weight shifting more to the back foot in the backswing.
Could be! Definitely different variations that can work....have to match the other pieces together
Great to see you two collaborating! Keep it up, both of your channels are great!
Thanks, Anthony!!
Stack and wilt, uhmmm nope! This was dead 10 yrs ago!
Thanks for your feedback!
Can you guys buy a cut with this move? Not everyone wants a push draw.
Thanks for watching, Mike!
A few setup adjustments can aid the golfer who'd like to fade it:
•move the weight back
•move the handle back (away from the target) and set it a little lower (on a lower angle towards the ground...in other words, less upright)
•move the ball position more forward
These pieces help preset more of a fade bias while keeping your swing the exact same👍
I’m guessing for driver you don’t do this as you want to hit up on a driver not down?
Less of it....you want to replace forward bend with side bend
Since you are less bent over at setup with driver (compared to iron) your shoulders should naturally tilt less
You guys keep teasing us with these videos....Would love to see you guys go hangout and play at least a 9 hole. Give us some on course lessons together. =)
Lol...would love to! Maybe next time around!
This is the collab that me and my next door neighbour have been waiting for .
:)
These recent videos have COMPLETELY changed my game. Practiced 1 hr leaning forward at address and 1st round shot 88 (normal high 90s low 100s player). Should have scored better 39 front nine but blew up on 3 water holes on back. CANNOT wait to get out there again
Love it!!
My golf coach has got me doing a slight movement to the right before I start my takeaway, then as as I start the takeaway, getting me to move straight on to the left side. So it seems I’m not really loading up my right side. It’s just a trigger movement. Without wanting to question his advice or coaching, I’m wondering as I’m virtually shifting immediately after the trigger move., that it would be better if I just stayed on my left side from the start without the trigger move to the right. for me it would simplify things. Thoughts?
Hey Gary! Either can work fine!
Thanks Eric. That’s reassuring, Love your RUclips videos. Everything explained and broken down so well and clear. . Cheers Gary 🏴
Good vid Eric. I am not a stack and tilt player either, but for the people who consistently shoot 85 and over................................stack and tilt would make golf so much more enjoyable them and probably lower their scores as well.
Yessir!
I do not believe setting up with 55% of your weight on that lead foot is a concern. I believe the concern comes with keeping the weight there throughout the backswing. This would undoubtably keep swing center steady and could result in consistent solid compression. There are many ways to strike a golfball. Moe taught us that. Great video guys.
Thank you
Agreed! Thanks man!
Quick question-with the stak and tilt swing.. is there also a loading phase onto the back foot during backswing to some degree?
Hey Tripp!
The Stack & Tilt model swing would have the lower center (think belt buckle) and upper center (think shirt buttons) staying fairly centered all the way up to the top/P4 (no centers would move to the trail side)
Hope this helps!
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric!! In other words the torso should be rotating on the center axis ?
Highly recommend the weight forward technique. I use it on all my shots. Just get that weight on the left foot and watch it go. Shot my first sub 80 round with this technique this past weekend. Do it!
Even on driver?
@@gametimeflagfootball just need to modify your setup. Check out Nick Taylor Golf on RUclips.
Awesome!!
Great job guys. It’s such a natural move at the ball. This way of golf for me activates my legs.
Appreciate it!
How does that activate your legs if all energy is stayed on one edge of the left foot?? Haha makes no sense. It makes sense that being in a final shift position creates accuracy and consistency, but you're easily losing power. That's why a half swing is way more consistent than a full swing. Full swing you're going at it! Also flexibility is a huge key for power and rotation. Smaller people won't need a true deep hip rotation. I see this working for some people but most people want that power; for the fun of the game.
This is phenomenal. I started a pseudo stack and tilt and love it. So it’s grand that you both support my effort in a new and efficient swing. Cheers to you both
Thanks, Timothy!
Love this format. Feels like I'm at the range with you guys
Appreciate it! It was good fun....maybe more like this in the future!
Eric, that was excellent. You’ve convinced me, it’s worth a try. Again, really good including how you and formatted the video. Cliff
Thanks, Cliff! Appreciate the kind words and glad you enjoyed it!!
I was duped into stacking and tilt by Tom. I joined Saguto Golf, not knowing the system was stack and tilt. I have never been happier to have been duped. My golf has never been so good.
Love to hear of the progress, Andrew! Tom is awesome!
Watching Toms video for the last 5 months and I have been crushing the ball , I had to down my clubs because i gained 30 yards ..
Love it
No hype and sort of back to basics. Nice video.
Thank you, Kevin!
I know which swing I would pick if I had the choice
Thank you for watching the channel!
Eric doesn't look as loaded to the left side as Tom, maybe its the camera angle?
Hey! Thats probably true (not camera angle)
Loved this video, just watching some great ball striking and listening to good conversations.
Appreciate it, Michael! Good fun!
I never thought I would see these two together. I have been watching them both for about a year. Eric is so serious while Tom is corny but funny.
thanks for the support, Steven! Good fun with Tom!
I love S&T. I played so much better when I devoted myself to that method. And Eric, even if you are not a certified S&T guy, I always felt like you were. You & Tom are both great teachers & I love those three guys at Golftec in Singapore.
Thank you-glad to hear that!
Being a tennis player as a child, I have grown up being very comfortable moving into a ball on the full swing - it's just how my brain calculates power meeting impact. That said, and I can be brutally honest, I was a horrible chipper & pitcher of the ball because my low point control on these smaller shots didn't work. Stack & Tilt, the key being weight forward and Left shoulder down, is like an instruction manual from God on how to be a great pitcher & chipper - I'm a 100% convert using this technique around the green.
I like it....I used to dabble in some tennis as well!
@@CogornoGolf The more I thought about Stack & Tilt after watching this video, the more it's obvious that the modern game is a progression from Long-Driving dynamics for the Driver and then moving towards Stack & Tilt for the short game. The only question is what is the distance & shot where you fully transition - likely the 50-yard low spinner pitch and 90% true at that 100-yard flighted wedge shot.
Wow!!! I had used the connected golf swing feelings for years. I watched this video. I took the weight forward, belt line to belt line approach and hit to ball as solid as I have ever hit it with nearly zero practice. Pumped to start practicing this approach. Thank YOU!!!
Love it!!
Your Mate should do a Gillette commercial
:)
After struggling for years with shooting in the 90s even with instructions I tried S&T and shot 86 and 82 in the last 2 rounds. I hope it is not a fluke. I hit the driver 20 yards longer and no more wild slices.
Love to hear that!
Tried this technique this morning during my round after watching this video. I’ve never hit so many crisp iron shots in my life! I’ve always struggled with inconsistency by having to pick it clean and usually pulling my shots left. Thanks for the great content.
Love to hear that!
I have a tournament tomorrow, I have no business watching this now.
Correct :)
It’s a hard pass it will screw your swing up. Go look at Mac O’grady videos and find someone he worked with.
Thanks for your thoughts and feedback, Rob!
I think Bryson's earlier swing is a really simple way to hit the ball, biggest problem I see is ppl not being able to keep that left leg bent through impact alot of them are snapping straight and coming up out of the shot
I discovered Stack & Tilt back in 2012, and it worked great for me. I find it amazing that today, 9 yrs later, this brilliant teaching system still has a bad reputation among the pro class. Can’t think of any reason for this, other than that it is so transformational it offends the old blue bloods whose careers are fully invested in inferior ideas. Glad to hear you guys agree S&T is good stuff.
With ya, Bret!
Really enjoy you guys collaborating... great synergy. Stay crispy!
Thanks, Steven! Lots of fun!
Have just watched this video, I am that golfer that is on the edge of quitting something I love to do. So went and put a few of the videos talking points in play and wow! Now I’m not thinking about shifting weight and just focusing on a good shoulder turn, the strike changed instantly. Great video guys
Love this Chris! Thanks so much!
This is the issue I have. Too many gremlins in my head during my golf swing, just overthinking every step to get a good swing and before I know it I end topped, thinned or chunked the ball
It seems that finishing with the left palm high & facing target is now more popular.
Good job guys
Do pro players use this method?
Yes to varying degrees
Funnily enough "weight forward" is what's got me interested in S&T...it seems to be the right "move" to get me more consistant.
:)
Love these two guys and their knowledge is way better than anyone else. 👍🏴🇨🇮☘️
Appreciate ya!
HH🍀
Great vid to show the range of blend in a golf swing. Both doing the same concept but look very different, just goes to show ya...do what makes crispy contact. Keeping it simple should be the mantra.
I thought golf,was psycho-therapy.
:)
This is a good explanation of how to digest instruction, from educated coaches. SaT is not for everyone in its entirety, but there are pieces that can help anyone. I don’t SaT per say, but a drill I work on is a 80-60-80 type feel for weight on front foot through swing(start-during-follow through). It keeps contact more consistent, prevent me getting too long with my backswing, and let’s me turn better.
I like that, Henry!
Two very good Golf Instructors that epitomize the old quote
" if you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life "
Soo refreshing to see teaching pros remaining excited about what they do.
Great post ⛳️
Appreciate the support, Johnny! Thank you!
Heading to Tobacco Road this weekend to try out some of these new swing thoughts.
Awesome spot-enjoy!
S & T never seems work well with the driver though.
Check out Toms channel for more of his videos to see what he says about driver!
You just need to change your setup for driver. I believe that most of what coaches teach today is stack and tilt but call it “centered”. As Eric said, most swings are a stack and tilt derivative.
i watch u both hit the ball,,But I can't see where the ball is at address on ether of your address points? reason for the question is, I have left hand nerve damage and can only use a baseball grip,, and I think because of that grip I have difficulty hitting the ball then the ground,, It's ether the ground first , ball first and no divot , which is what you guy do effortlessly.. is my grip dynamics creating this hit and miss or is it as simple as fining the right ball position??? your advice would be much appreciated. By the way i am 62yrs and A 7-8 HC.. i just want more constancy!
Hey!
I would need to see your swing on video to say for sure what you need to do to improve as I would need to see where you currently are at.
Check out www.cogornogolf.com if you dont get it sorted so you can send me your videos
In the meantime see if this helps about setup position
ruclips.net/video/sJd-0eEQU0w/видео.html
Awesome video
Thanks Tripp!
I wish i could have found stack and tilt 6 years ago. I was like tom. Where you would get so mad you wanted to sell your clubs for a different hobby. I should have been shooting low 80s years ago. Maybe even high 70s. For so long golf had me feeling so unathletic. If i ever get a legit lesson to tune things up, it will be a lesson with a stack and tilt instructer.
Hope it serves you well!
Whoa! I didn’t know Saguto used to look like Joe Cocker at Woodstock…wild.
7:08 10 Words
Weight forward
Shoulder down
Hands in 9:42
Arms straight
Tuck hips
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A video oozing enthusiasm from two great coaches who want us all to play and enjoy better golf👍
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I am going to ST my best bud went to it and 46 years and hitting 8 iron 180 depending on wind soon I’ll be 60 and can get 150 out of my 8 iron stack it people it works!!
Love it Mont!
My teaching pro brother taught me to keep my weight forward in 1985. His teaching pro twice his age taught him.
Excellent!
Good morning Eric!!! This just popped up on my feed, yourself and Tom, I follow you both and love both your teaching philosophy!! I'm just finishing up my 37th year as a Golf & Teaching Professional and just surpassed 24 thousand lessons taught. I'm currently the Director of Golf and Instruction at Cool Creek Golf Club in Wrightsville Pa. If you're ever down this way, stop by, I'd be honored to meet you. Eric, as always, please keep doing what you're doing!! YOU are AWESOME!!! My best to you ALWAYS and FOREVER!!!
🙏🌞🏌️⛳🏌️🌞🙏
Hey Chris!
Thank you---really appreciate those kind words!
If I'm thinking of the same place that is TOO FUNNY.....we just rented a river house in Wrightsville about a month ago....what are the odds of that?! I was just there :)
If we head back again next year I'll touch base!
@@CogornoGolf That's very close Eric!!! It would be awesome to meet you someday!! My best wishes always to you!!🌞🏌️⛳🏌️🌞
Can u explain the difference, tried the Moe Norman thing, worked very well, but distance....so so, so where is the distance here? Where is the power if just leaning and tilt? Or is this swing just to come in tilted and hit it solid?
Hey Lars! I'm not sure Im following your question here but I would suggest checking out more of Tom's videos on his channels for more on stack and tilt!
I love this video... two guys having a chat about golf. That was great!
:) Thanks David! Good fun!
Just tried S&T yesterday bc I was tired of poor contact. Instant success. And let's be honest, the random times I was hitting the ball well over the years was probably due to (unknowingly) using S&T.
Love to hear this!
Cool discussion format, but it's slightly driving me nuts watching you chop up that driving range and not in tidy lines.
Thank you, Corbin! Appreciate you watching the channel!
Great video… for whatever reason stack and tilt became a dirty word. But when you listen to Bennett or Cagno describe what’s going on, it makes all the sense in the world it may not be for every pro. In fact most of them don’t but Zack Johnson comes very close to a tailor-made stack and tilt guy. I’ve been working on it for a month I’m a senior golfer. It’s really been helpful for me. this is a great video. Great summary thank you very much.
👊Love it Billy! Thanks for watching!
I can only see one slight difference between stack n tilt and a 'regular' swing, which is a little bit more weight is kept forward all the time rather than shifting it backwards. And yes, I'm in the bathroom. Lol. Everyone should also check out the jess Frank golf academy RUclips channel. He's awesome like these guys and uses stack n tilt.
Ok, I just had the thought here in the bathroom, that you guys should have a match. That would be awesome. Who else wants to see that?
Agreed, Oliver!
Would love to do an on course match....maybe next time around!
Hey ... the "exaggeration" on tilting was perfect to visualise! It's really helping... could you do a video to explain how does tilting applies when using the driver? Cheers
Glad to hear it!
Less of the tilt with driver....you want to replace forward bend with side bend
Since you are less bent over at setup with driver (compared to iron) your shoulders should naturally tilt less
More details on driver vs. iron here!
ruclips.net/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/видео.html
Amazing tip. I had exactly the same feeling. Straight and much further then normal. It really helps me today
Love it!
I would like to say also I am a hand neutral golfer like the guy playing the stack and tilt. It's much easier playing that way cause my hands are really fast, so you get to go after the balk that way.
Love it
I like the feel of the hands being lower because it seems more compact and less parts to get wrong
For sure
Messing around on the range this week...I decided to go crazy and put the weight on my left side, with shoulder down in backswing...creamy mashed potatoes, instantly...I wish I knew this 40 years ago
Lol Love it, Larry!
Tom Saguto really changed my game for the better at 72...really really helped with back pain and scoring ...!!
Love this Andy! Tom is the best!
This is absolutely a great video, it will be nice to see you two play 9 holes together.
Thanks, Jose! Would love to...maybe next time around!
Wow 2nod my favourite golf instructors together... A dream indeed 👍
Appreciate your support, Vikram! Thank you!
Stack & Tilt changed my golf game. Now for bettering my putting!
Love it! You may enjoy some of our putting videos on the channel here!
Just a couple guys talkin’ golf. 👍🏻. I was in my pro shop talking about some of the S&T video instruction I watch and they all pi$$ed all over it. I’ve been focusing on tilt, turn and extending for last 6 mos. or so. I’d say my hdcp (low double digits) is in the same territory, but during that time I broke 80 twice for the first time ever (incl a 77) and I’m early 60s. The club pros basically named the two or three guys on tour who were S&T’ers and claimed they all gave it up. Aaron Baddeley was frequently mentioned.
Fun format for us! Love to hear of those results.
There are always two (or more) sides to every story.
My swing coach Paul Myers was teaching me that. Haven’t been able to use him because of the virus.
Sounds like you are on the right track, Andre!
Golf is a cruel mistress. She giveth and she taketh away lol.
Would like to see stack and tilt with driver because it seems “optimal” impact position for that club would not jibe with stack and tilt.
Maybe next time we are there!
I've applied this approach for the last few weeks and it's been wonderful! I'm older (60 and female) and find it's easier on my body. My dad taught me how to play 50 years ago and it worked for me for a long time albeit with a natural slice my whole life. I find this method gives me a stronger, more compact swing with less moving parts to think about. I still hit my 7 iron 145 - 150 yards, but feel so much more in control with less effort.
Love to hear this!!
Man I am no where as good as you or Tom, but I definitely feel what he said! I like to play golf, but doesn’t play too damn well lol. I always get upset at the course, sometimes I just want to quit. But I help this local golf organization, so I can’t quit ha. Today, I went to play, all I did was put the weights forward, hand towards my lead foot, half swing it, omg it was crisp. Maybe it was not KFC crisp, but Chinese friend chicken crisp. I didn’t have time to practice at range due to work, but the weight forward works. If I just chipped a little better or putt a little better, then I would break 100. I ended up with 100 even. Thank you guys for the information. I love your collaboration with Tom and Mike Malaska! Keep up with the great content.
:) Lol love it! appreciate the kind words and support!
Is this for amateurs and teaching pros only or do any PGA or European tour players use it?
I think all players do this to varying degrees.
I’m sure most of the RUclips crowd is watching for some relief of years using a traditional swing.
This swing method should be game changer for most amateurs.
:)