Investigating the DevaCurl Damage
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2020
- DEVACURL..WHAT HAPPENED? In this video, I am speaking out about the DevaCurl scandal and backlash that Devacurl has been facing in light of allegations that the use of these products is causing hair loss, hair and scalp damage, and other trauma.
Can Devacurl be held accountable? There are many variables to consider that can be causing these issues, and with the knowledge I've learned through my professional experience with hair and from researching scientific journals, my goal with this video is to discuss the facts around proper hair care.
I think its most important that I speak out and raise awareness on this topic because although I am not a hardcore deva cultist and have only talked about a couple of their products on my channel, unfortunately, there are millions of users of this and many of them are being hurt right now. I empathize with those struggling with their hair, and as your "manetor", I promise to help by sharing entertaining education to teach you everything you need to know to nurse your hair and scalp back to good health.
If you are feeling discouraged from damage and other hair and scalp concerns, I will do whatever I can to be hair for you. I hope you stay tuned to learn more. As always, thanks for watching!
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“I don’t even know if the tea is hot anymore so I moved on to water” has now become a part of my vocabulary, thank you.
kari lmaoooo same here!!
same. love this girl
screenshot it
😂 😆 😂
J lop
Literally have the most pin straight Asian hair with negative curl but I’m obsessed with this channel.
Katrina I can relate...I have Sisterlocs 🤷🏽♀️😂😂
“The bigger the hair, the harder they stare” -Mel
Omg I love this. Cause she is that Aesop’s.
Woah- awesome!
Atta girl! Welcome! ❤️😁
Thank god I was always too broke to actually get into DevaCurl
Lmao i know right ? I could never afford $20+ hair / styling products.
haha same, and it’s hard to get in my country so even more pricey. Personally, I use v simple silicone-free conditioners and they’re fine!
Haha forreals!
Lmao me 😂
You did not miss anything haha. I bought some DevaC products, they were ok but there are cheaper stuffs doing the same thing for my hair -.-! I still have the gel and a small amount of the mousse, I won't buy them again.
“Some of you may die...but it’s a sacrifice Deva Curl is willing to make.”
😂😂😂🤣💀
The same ideology for every industry, from sugar to pharmacy...they want us to die for their stupid money
Hello, Lord Farquad. Sorry, my mind went to Shrek lol
I just shot water out of my nose when you said "curllock holmes"
mynameispez 🤣
I loved that one!
Ahhaahah
Hi Mell, I’m an actual scientist 👩🔬 and I’ve been looking into the whole devacurl thing since December. I agree with most of what you said but I believe the bald spots that people are experiencing may be due to the inflammation of the scalp. Chronic scalp inflammation can indeed cause follicular malfunction thus producing hair loss (I swear I checked the scientific literature) Actually hair loss caused by chronic follicular inflammation can be irreversible because the immune cells kill the hair stem cells. My hypothesis,as a biomedical researcher, is that people are developing sensitivity to either the ingredients or a contaminant in the products which is causing an inflammatory response in the scalp, which in turn is causing the rashes, pain and hair loss. As for the change in hair texture I believe you are probably correct. The thing is that the only way to corroborate these hypotheses is by doing extensive testing including allergen tests and skin biopsies on the victims, and mass spectrometry + gas chromatography on the suspect products at least.
You used the word hypothesis. That's something a scientist would say. I believe you 😁
The inflammatory response is likely to come from sensitivity to fragrance. It is so commonly irritating that it is the most likely cause for most people. If you're leaving a heavily fragranced product sitting on your scalp, of course you're likely to have chronic irritation and inflammation.
I did experience hair loss (overall thinning no bald patches) and I do have regrowth coming back in. I sincerely hope it’s not irreversible damage for the victims that did lose hair in clumps
000snow000 yes the fragrance may be the culprit but I also believe that there may be a contaminant. Maybe there was an issue in the synthesis of one of the ingredients, that’s why I think it would be important to analyze the formula just to make sure that it is exactly what it says in the bottle. However, my personal hypothesis is that the hypersensitivity is to either the fragrance or the preservative.
I used the deva curl products in question (I got a sampler try them before I bought the full size). After one use my scalp was on fire and so itchy. I stopped using it after that.
I think they switched to cheaper ingredients when they changed ownership
So far that’s speculation...
That would explain the issues over anything else
I think that’s probably it
They absolutely did.
It seems like a very obvious reason. I can totally see this as a made for TV movie where some asinine CEO demands shortcuts to cheapen production costs...
Hi, this is not related but there should be a warning for people with photosensitive epilepsy (20:57)
Noor AlKharusi Thank you so much I have photosensitive epilepsy ✌🏽
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Baby is in bed. Bath is hot. Wine is poured. New manes by mell. How did I get so lucky
sounds nice
Every mother’s fantasy . Lol 😂
MishyTaka it
I was already in the tub when the notification popped up. Perfect timing! 🥰
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I get that correlation =/= causation, and that not everyone's hair is going to react the same to every product, and our bodies change... But what could explain the fact that thousands of people who used these products exclusively all have the same negative reaction, all at the same time? Children, teens, postmenopausal women, postpartum, 20-somethings. I just don't understand.
My hairdresser said I have chemical damage. Literally the only products I've used since 2014 were Deva. Honestly, that's all the evidence I need to cancel them.
Sorry to hear about your experience with Deva curl I personally have never used any of there products it was just to expensive for me . Anyway I'm sure something shady definitely happened like maybe a bad batch went out or like any product it starts to go bad at some point and people are holding on to there products too long I know personally I have so many different brands of curly hair products like I do different gels , leave ins, treatments and shampoo and conditioner's I went through and cleaned out the bathroom cabinet and I had products from 2 years ago I know deva curl says they never expire but I don't believe that. I took home my aunts deva curl no poo bottle to try it because I refused to buy it without trying it ,it was half a bottle and she said she had it for a long time and when I took it home I checked it no expiration date but it smelled really bad I literally refused to put it in my hair because how bad it smelled and you can see the breakdown of ingredients so I refuse to believe it doesn't expire anyway what I was getting at is I believe some ppl really are having these problems but I also believe there a good amount of ppl jumping on the bandwagon because there going to possibly be a class action lawsuit and there trying to get in on it hell I could hold on to my aunts no poo say its mine say it cause the balding and thinning in my hair that I have even tho I know its dude too a new medication and no one would challenge my claim because I have curly hair and I have a bottle I'll just say I threw the rest away how do they know if I'm lying or not shoot I'm trying to hop on that bandwagon! So I don't believe thousands of people are having the same problem at the same time I think there some really victims out there but there's also alot of unintentional self inflicted damage that they just happened to be using deva curl and that's so much easier to blame them give it a few months to a year and it will be another hair care product 🤷♀️ again ppl need to talk to there Dr. First rule out if it's from a new medication , Anemic, low vitamin D , thyroid, weight loss, I know keto diet causes hair loss, weight gain ect. Like mel said. Again I think maybe a bad batch had went out and there where some ppl who where effected by it but I think most of the people are hoping on the bandwagon!
@@valeriecorona5930 I've personally been to doctors about the migraines I suffered and we linked it to Deva. I also ordered products directly from Deva in May 2019 and they had all been used up by December. Products usually have a longer shelf life than 7 months. I am very confident that Deva is the problem.
Never ever just use one brand! Ever .. peace!
Stephanie Midolo Stephanie Mero has a viable theory. Deva started using a company called Dot Com Distributors. Maybe they use cheap plastic that leaches chemicals into the products and then into the hair, causing the damage. Deva’s recent statement on IG and their robotic replies are offensive. They’re gaslighting customers, acting like everything is ok. It’s just wrong.
Stephanie Midolo And we need to stop victim blaming. All of a sudden people are having issues. I wish people would stop blaming them for their issues. They need help. And answers. And solutions. If this happened to men, rest assured it would have been handled by now. IMHO
Literally every other community: “ omg it’s just hair they’re over reacting “
Me: yeah hair that takes hour of commitment, thousands of dollars in products and ages to grow, and not only that also all the effort and years people put into transitioning and people still say “it’s just hair”, smh.
Literally curly girls, our hair is apart of our identity. If I were to lose my curls I would be devastated.
Then add the frustration of having an itchy scalp, flakes on your shirts and no cure for it 😭
If make up girls all pushed a foundation that caused their skin to wrinkle, break out and developed psoriasis in some people they would be singing a different tune
I’ve been a hairdresser for 18 years and THANK YOU Mel for your channel. I’ve been yelling about ‘no poo’ long before diva curl and cgm was a thing . Scalps are not self cleansing. Wash your hair people.
This👆
Thank you!! Glad another person agrees
I did cleanse my scalp with a regular shampoo. I didn't use a Deva shampoo or no poo. So why is my hair like this then. Why is my hair and scalp destroyed. I have dandruff and scabs after only using the product's for a month. The shampoo I had used way before Deva. Check out the facebook group and actually educate yourself on what many women are experiencing. Look at the pictures woman are posting
@@Only_Gnomes_Live_Here perhaps you need a different cleanser if it is causing you problems and scabs.
Funny how I could use the same shampoo before using DevaCurl and have no issues. I only started having these problems after using DevaCurl. I ordered a travel kit size of the stylers and hair mask/conditioner. I used them for 1 month with the same shampoo. Now I did cut my hair shorter in November and thought maybe there is some sort of issue with that. Well I've had my hair shorter with the same shampoo. No issues there either. So all the hair on my head was fresh now and without any damaged. I I haven't dyed my hair in 2 years and only got bleach in it for highlights once. That was many years ago. Washing with the Deva products the first time was alright. No irritants to be found. My curls looked kind of fried but I thought it could be just not styled right. Wash 2 and 3 were making my scalp start to itch but I though it was just the dry air. Wash 4 and 5 were really when things started to get bad. I found what I thought was a scap but had my boyfriend look at my scalp with me. I gave it 1 more try thinking I was doing something wrong. My scalp was so inflamed I had to wash the products out after an hour. It looked like my scalp was a little chemical burned. I always patch test products after my sister and I actually got a chemical burn from clay hair remover. So I actually put this product on my skin under a band aid and didn't notice any problems. Later on after using the DevaCurl products my skin would get irritated from them. I thought yeah it's the perfume but there is definitely something else wrong too. Perfume doesn't change your curl pattern. Please check out the Facebook group. Look at the pictures. Some woman are having way more severe problems than me.
I used Deva products for at least 15 years with consistently good results. Around 2017, the company was sold and shortly thereafter there was a noticeable change in the quality of the products. I didn’t experience an increase in hair loss but I did notice that my hair wasn’t looking great and wasn’t as easy to style. I was already looking for alternatives when I heard about the “scandal”.
I only shampoo my hair once a week and I’ve been using devacurl for a few years now and their Original line is the shampoo and conditioner I used for YEARS with no problems and last summer when I picked up new bottles and used them my scalp was so dry that it had yellow flakes which has never happened to me before and my hair went from a 3b to a 2b (on a good day) and I kept using it cause I thought it was just me since I had used them for years and never had issues. My hair thinned out so much and my hair lost its pattern so I stopped using them in December and my scalp started getting better using other stuff and I went back to devacurl once in January just to test it and the same day I did my scalp was SO ITCHY and flaky. I just found out everyone was having problems with devacurl a few weeks ago and I literally was like “Wow so I’m not crazy it wasn’t just me”
Kaitlin Belle Rose I feeeel you! I thought It is me so I continue using it.. My hair become soooooo bad, scalp itchy sooo much that sometimes on few spots it was bloody! Like little spots. Overall bad experience!!
Wow you must've been so shook
This was me too!! I was using it to wash and condition...my hair really like it, so I thought. As time went on my curls looked frizzy, dull and less defined. I thought I was balding because my hair line seemed to be receding. Anyways, I got my hair straightened about 6 months apart and my hair was literally half as thick the second time around.
Thyroid came back fine. I had NO CLUE about this until about 2wks ago when was watching a M.A.D. Curls live stream and they started talking about it...I had an ah-hah moment and realized this must have been the cause. I went as far as having my thyroid checked because it just didn't make any sense.
I ended up chopping my hair and thank God I fell back into being a product junkie and happened to stop using Deva Curl cause now my curls are starting to look normal again, is feeling thicker and my hairline is growing back in. I am still cowashing the same way though.
Kaitlin Belle Rose Yellow flakes sounds like seborrheic dermatitis. I have that condition and when I flare up I get those. I think maybe your scalp put up with years of Devacurl crap (because I’m sorry, but DC has always had questionable formulations) and finally flared up. Sensitization reactions can take months or even years to sometimes manifest.
Ditto. Started using DC last winter and stopped in January and my curls are a 2b/c on their best day now vs 3b/c they were before.
Dermatologists have talked about this "clean beauty" trend and demonization of parabens, which have a much longer and well studied use history, leading to companies actually using preservatives that are more like to cause irritation.
Lol hoping we can get past this era
Yep
Same
I'm also mystified at the DevaCurl issues. I started using DevaCurl right before this whole scandal, it caused a ton of hair loss, build up, and breakage. I'm talking like whole chunks falling out. Full blown bald-spots. As soon as I quit it the hair loss stopped being an issue.
finally the queen of curls has made a vid on the situation I HAVE BEEN WAITING IM VERY HAPPY
Same
Okay but girl if you’re comfortable with it, what is your IG? I just saw your little bubble picture and you’re so PRETTY! And have gorgeous hair 😩 !
Trinity Nykole thanks omg❤️😩 its @valelavieri / @curlreina
Valentina Lavieri girl your hair is gorgeous!!! i love your curl pattern 🥺🥺
tia thanks so much!!😩❤️
The heat argument was not that using heat on your hair caused problems, it's that the products were exposed to heat either during storage or during shipping.
That's been debunked by several people so far, and I tend to agree with them. Check out Kenna, shes a scientist on RUclips, who also has her own product line. My hair loss is terrible and has been happening for the last 2 years with Deva Curl. I think something else is up with these products.
@Crucibelle Obviously I never realized it was the Deva Curl!
@Crucibelle how could you possibly think that someone would PURPOSEFULLY continue to use a product that causes them pain? There's so many other factors that could have caused it. Clearly the thousands of women who have experienced the great pain of hair loss didn't realize it was the Deva Curl causing it.
As someone with an immune disorder that gives me non-anaphylactic food allergies but with the sensitivity of someone who is, say, deathly allergic to peanuts, I have learned a lot about how the presence of an individual ingredient and its potential effects on the user is independent from overall trait of the substance the ingredient is in (for instance: hydrolyzed wheat protein is in tons of hair gels and is perfectly safe for use, but the ingredient will still make me very sick). pH is EXTREMELY important for hair care, but I also don't think finding a good pH range in a potentially-problematic product is the end of the line of investigation.
Agreed. I had my hair fall out from a hair product two years ago. I have an immune disease, so am probably more sensitive, but I had problems similar to what people who are having issues with the devacurl products are experiencing. My hair has changed forever as it was really straight and is now wavy. It took a long time to nurse it back to an acceptable form of health and I’m still not there yet. Due to the waves it will take much longer for it to grow back as long as it was. I know how devastating it is to have these hair issues and it will take years to fix them, I really feel for everyone who’s going through this. To me it looks like some women have a fungal infection, which can cause a lot of damage and allergic reactions, which could explain the difference in intensity. As you can have an infection and you can have that infection and be (severely) allergic to the fungi from that infection on top. I’m not a doctor, but I hope someone will figure it out, so everyone can start to heal.
I read the ingredients for DC’s no poo conditioner. It contains hops. Would that be considered bad for someone who has a wheat allergy?
@@reikun86 hops is neither a wheat nor a plant that contains gluten. It wouldn't give someone with wheat allergies, or gluten sensitivity, issues.
Btw, it sounds like you were mixing up wheat allergy with issues with gluten. Wheat allergy can have cross-reactions, but people with celiac are reacting to the gluten protein, not a specific plant, so yes people with celiac don't just react to wheat.
I actually gasped when I heard you mention malassezia! It's something I and many others struggle with not only on the hair but skin as well, and not something many people know about.
Thanks for bringing awareness to it, its links to dandruff, and of course the rest of the video.
I really appreciate how much research you put into it, still making it fun and engaging to watch without minimizing the complicated nature of the issue and allegations. Keep at it Mel ❤️
I appreciate this more than you know. ❤️
Azelaic acid helped clear my face fungal acne (caused by malessezia) btw. I've sworn off fermented ingredients since because that's what trigerred it for my face.
@@MShaiqable Oh yes I love azelaic acid, it's helped me a lot too. Didn't know fermented foods could be a trigger, I feel like if anything the probiotics in them would be helpful? I'm curious about how you found out, I guess. I've mostly been learning about fungal acne and how to treat it through the simpleskincarescience blog.
We demonize parabens, but they tend to be some of the least irritating preservatives used in cosmetics. I don’t have a moral judgement on them one way or the other, but I wonder if we’re seeing more irritation from products now because companies are using more irritating preservatives in hopes that a “paraben-free” label will sell more.
always the same, it's always about the money!
100% they changed a distributor or something to save money. they changed something in 2018 I'm sure.
Yessss finally somebody said that out loud, thank you
So that’s why Propylparaben and Butylparaben are forbidden for children under 3 in the EU?
Ellis she said “tend” not “are”
I don’t know enough about parabens to know if it’s safe or not. I’m certainly no expert, but I thought it was rumored to be linked to breast cancer in women.
Off topic, but we totally need a tutorial on that purple eye look, because it is absolutely perfect!
I was thinking the same thing! It was distracting because I was thinking about how I'm gonna try and recreate it lol.
@@user-ik9bl8xv2f yes! As soon as i clicked on im just like, that purple!
I was thinking the same thing
Right?! I vote it to be part of a "things to do while your hair dries" series.
I found your videos about 2 or so weeks ago. I’ve since cut 5-8 inches off and thrown out A LOT of products, my hair has never felt or looked better. I’m a receptionist in a salon that predominantly deals with non textured hair, the difference in a stylist who is comfortable and celebrates texture and curls and one who is not is night and day. So for all of the people who don’t appreciate you and all the free advice and entertainment you give thank you. I don’t know what my hair journey would look like without you and your seester.
I don't think the statement about "no expiration date" was referring to the products but rather to the credits issued when returning products. Surely there is a point the products expire.
Yes, I noticed this faux pas as well. They were talking about the merchandise credits, not the products themselves.
I once bought a Devacurl product off of Amazon, and it came with an expiration date on the packaging, but anything I've ordered directly from Devacurl had no expiration date on it. I've never worked in the cosmetics industry, but I have worked with chemicals for many years, and most products have a shelf life, but companies are not required by the government to label them with an expiration date (unless they're being ingested by consumers). The QA (quality assurance) departments I've worked in had us continually test the products, with samples from each batch, for different things: pH, color, and smell for example, and also shelf life under different conditions (for example, simulating a hot warehouse environment where the products may be shelved for long periods of time). I have a hard time believing that Devacurl's QA department would let things like that slip. If the products have changed ingredients, like many consumers claim, their QA department would be on top of this, specifically watching for different reactions in the new products as they are being tested. But it could be that the company hires a lab on contract to do these kinds of tests on their products, and whoever they've hired could be getting lax in their testing. I would think they are a big enough company to have their own QA labs to test their many products, but I could be wrong.
My daughter bought deva curl at my suggestion. Within a short time, he curl pattern is almost nonexistent. Her hair is straight, I didn't experience any issues. But have since stopped using the brand.
maybe they should start marketing their products as a way to permanently straighten/relax your hair
What products did you switch to?
@@gloriaoseguera9174 i switched to Verb I use the curly hair products and also the ghost products.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO MY HAIR!!!!!! I went from 3b/3a to flat out 2a
Which deva products did she use?
I just feel bad for people like Spisha because her hair was such a big part of her life. She did everything right. If I remember correctly, I think she developed something on her scalp. I just need Deva Curl to answer people like her. Join together with their customers and figure out what's going on.
Devacurl just brushed it off
Pandulse123 I hope she watches this video.
SilverBow FTW I don’t think they brushed it off.It said on their website they are looking into it and have tested it with labs and etc.You think they just lying? If they are I wonder who esle lying with all these so called natural hair care brands...
@@crayton2004 One of their own employees, stylists?, (gotta find the dudes name) is literally on video claiming this is nothing but a big witch hunt by influencers that Deva Curl cut ties with. No apologies, no retractions. That's the moment I decided they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. I believe some problems can be explained by protein overload and buildup, but some people are experiencing severe medical issues. Something is WRONG.
As far as the buildup is concerned isn't that what the whole cgm was about? Avoiding silicones because they cause buildup? Now they have people blaming customers for not clarifying. This has got to be some kind of sick joke.
Smh. So sad for all involved. I know what they are going through. Its devastating for a female to wake up and half of her hair is gone. Mine will probably never be the same. I will probably never be able to wear my hair down again, as the only way to cover the bald and thinning spots is with a ponytail.
(Its not from deva curl, but another "organic" product that did the exact same thing to my hair. )
Denise Shannon I used Deva Curl that I have left today to see if I have any issues because I was avoiding it because of the backlash and my hair still feels ok.But I still like to use other brands that might define more. I would like to know which line of the products did they use? I was using the Decadence one.Is the other part of the line causing issues too or which products specifically?
I personally stopped using their products because my hair pattern was changing. I mainly used their stylers but decided to try one of their shampoos the low poo to be specific and their conditioner my hair started acting up and I didn’t know what it was until I came to the conclusion that those products were very high on protein and I was experiencing protein overload, which was making my hair dry brittle and it would not retain any moisture. I loved the stylers but I stopped using them all together, I switched to other products, got a haircut and my hair quickly improved. (Fyi I never followed the no poo method bc my hair is fine).
carmin Diaz mordan what products do you use ? My hair is also fine and I’m struggling 😭
This is exactly what happened to my hair...i was so bummed. I didn't know why... But this video makes lots of sense
carmin Diaz mordan same
Tomibel Polanco I use shea moisture anti breakage yucca shampoo and not your mother’s charcoal conditioner. For stylers, I use not your mother’s curl talk creme and gel and sometimes I use the Aussie freeze it gel but very little of it bc it has a very strong hold. Make sure to clarify at least once a month with sulfate shampoo and follow up with a deep conditioner so your hair won’t feel so dry.
irie7iv hey girl! What I did was try to avoid products that are heavy on protein so always read the labels. I started deep conditioning with not your mother’s matcha green tea and apple blossom mask ( it does mot have any protein) this will help with moisture you need moisture in your hair to balance out the protein.
Man hair products are complicated, I’m finna make water my new curly hair routine lol
Wait that’s not good for it either
LOO
that was my exact thought
Lmaooo remember when “water only washing” was a thing people were doing?
Honestly, I'm ready to shave my head. Ugh.
Minouxx99 Yes!! I remember that!
I love that I'm not just learning about the DevaCurl scandal but also how to take care of my hairs and make sure I don't experience the same thing with other products
Mell, always schoolin' us with the FACTS! This is the best video I have seen on the issue so far 💕
This was a lot of information to take in def ! so I just wanna thank you for taking the time to make this video ! 💞❤️
You said "way back. . . WEN." LMAO
"Curlock Holmes" Mell, I love the way you can slip humor into a very serious video. Thank you so much for sharing this!
Just sharing my experience.... I have been following CGM since 2 years now, I don't use all of the devacurl products but I keep using their one or the other product in a regular basis... I have been suffering from itchy scalp and hair loss(not too extreme but alot than i used to have before i followed CGM), but I thought that was just my problem and will eventually be better.... But when I heard about the devacurl scandal, without blindly believing what all others are sharing,,, I decided to continue trying CGM without any devacurl product since this feb 1st, and even I can't believe my hairfall and itchy scalp problem has decreased to almost more than 80%.
It might be helpful to see which ingredients are different in your Devacurl product vs the one's you currently use. You may have developed a sensitivity to something, in which case you should see a dermatologist or allergist for some testing so you can avoid any irritating ingredients in the future.
@@shizzlefizzz yes,. definitely
Same here! The shedding in the shower was insane with deva! As soon as I tried another non deva product, shedding decreased significantly
My scalp no longer itches ever since I stopped using DC back in January. Never experienced itchy scalp with any hair products. I also had a ton of shedding too, now that drastically decreased as well.
I’m in the exact same boat. Been CGM for 1.5 years, pulling chunks of hair out in the shower (way more than what’s healthy) but I don’t see any balding or thinning. I recently stopped CGM and now I’m barely losing any hair. I think it was just excessive buildup that clarifying shampoos couldn’t remove
Personally, I did experience hair loss with Devacurl. I thought it was just because I was starting my natural hair journey, but then I switched products. Within the first couple of weeks, I noticed a massive difference in my hair. It was healthier. I’m very lucky that I didn’t lose my texture or a lot of hair
Man I love you so much. People who are not professionals, but who consider themselves experts in their fields bother me so much. You can only learn so much on your own, no matter how nerdy you are. And so I really appreciate it when dermatologists or actual hair care specialists like you speak out on these issues because you provide us with knowledge we may not even have access too (or at least easy access too).
I think both the curly girl method AND DevaCurl products are to blame. Everything you explained about buildup and such causing damage to hair definitely makes sense, but it also seems that DevaCurl problems suddenly appeared--or at least, flew into high gear in 2019.
Ayesha Malik used the stuff for yeeeeeaaaaaars and never had a problem until about 2019. Not only did she use their Buildup Buster regularly to prevent that sort of problem, but when she realized DevaCurl might be the problem (her curls were gone, her hair was falling out, her scalp was itchy and irritated, she has chronic headaches, and her new hair is even growing out gray and wirey) she quit for a while...her hair got a little better...and then she used DevaCurl one last time while on a trip when she didn't have her alternative products, and BAM her hair was awful again.
I think that when the company was sold, the formula was changed. People have also been saying that their products smell different than before, and they even feel different on the hair when using them in the shower than they used to. Something is definitely up with that company.
Ziaberry 1000% agree !!!!
Ziaberry That build up buster has ingredients in it known to cause buildup, so that wouldn’t do much in terms of clarifying. In fact, all Devacurl products have ingredients with high build up potential that, over time, can cause damage and irritation.
This experience was the beginning of me taking care of my hair. My first and only purchase Build Up Buster felt slimy and my hair didn’t feel clean at all. I had nothing to compare it to. I quickly switched to using Suave Clarifying shampoo. I also saw my doctor and had bloodwork done just to be sure. All levels were in normal range. The problem may lie with a distributor. I don’t know. I do know that dc ignored us (about 4000) and our concerns up and until Ayesha’s video came out. For that I will never trust them again.
I have been doing the curly girl method for five years. I have only used Diva Curl once several years ago. I had a short transition period with my scalp when I started the CGM. My hair is thick and healthy and I have zero scalp issues. Before we had all these products people went very long periods of time without washing,if this causes these issues we would know already.
gosnell62jg Before I was natural I didn’t wash that much but with scalp psoriasis I would wash more.But I use diffrent brands for my hair to see which ones work best.
You'd think with such a large product line that people exclusively using devacurl could still tackle different hair concerns (clarifying, deep conditioning, protein treatments, oil treatments, etc)...and it seems like most people using devacurl spread out wash days (washing 1-2 times a week) so I'm hesitant to believe it's hygral fatigue either. I initially thought it must be buildup, but many people have refuted this theory, saying that they make sure to clarify every 1-2 weeks. I'm inclined to believe it's a problem higher up the supply chain/manufacturing process. Whatever the issue is, we're not going to figure it out using homemade pH kits (no shade, this vid explored many viable options and was very informative!) Other tests like spectral analyses need to be conducted on each ingredient by an independent testing facility before we're ever going to learn the cause of the curlpocalypse
Based on my completely unscientific third-hand information from reading accounts and watching videos, I'm inclined to agree. I've noticed a trend of people, both CG and non-, saying they used Deva products, noticed problems, and then changed to other products (but not changing methods!) and noticing improvements or at least the absence of those problems. Obviously not everyone has mentioned all these things, and obviously this is all anecdotal, and obviously rigorous testing needs to be done, like you said, but I am an engineer and my job is to notice patterns and minute details (I do component soldering repair on LED and lighting fixtures, so sometimes near-microscopic stuff and really finicky, temperamental processes) and it's making my Spidey Sense tingle. Just like Mell said at the beginning, I don't think ALL these people's experiences can be discounted entirely as all having the same problem with method. Something is fishy and it's not cool at all.
My only question to the folks that claim that it's not buildup, not hygral fatigue... are they using Deva Curl cleansers, such as "Buildup Buster" for their clarifying?
They might be clarifying with more of the same chemicals, emollients and preservatives that are causing their issues.
I just wanted to thank you for believing the experience of others (and trusting that we're not all just dummies that don't understand our hair!)
@@aracelischlosser6993 THIS! If they're clarifying with the same ingredients in other DC products coming from the same manufacturer... could this pinpoint that the issue is the ingredients being low grade/ adulterated, etc.
I had the negative side effects with devacurl. I tried the buildup buster ONCE and it made my hair feel disgusting and unclean. It took forever to sort of feel back to normal, but never 100% I suppose because I still used other Devacurl products. I clarify regularly at least once a week with sulfate based products. I also now use, since December 2019, a soft scalp brush to massage my head. Devacurl gave me itchy and burning scalp, acne on my head, hair loss, and my hair looks like I relaxed it; it looked dull and frizzy. I'm so glad I spent hundreds to look like 💩😐😑
So glad I found you. I dont have the curls you do, but your confidence, your voice, and the fact that you are a professional gives me comfort.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into researching this. Well done.
My theory is that the previous company that bought Devacurl in May 2017 was there to increase profit margins as much as possible before selling the company for more than what they paid for it. Keep in mind Devacurl was sold around Nov of 2019 again. So in order to make the books look good for potential buyers they opted for cheaper ingredients not as high in quality and cheaper packaging but kept the price point obviously for gain. It should be noted this practice is super common and would only become a problem if maybe a cheaper ingredient isn’t pure and was causing problems. Of course consumers would not really be able to tell because no amount of at home testing would be able to determine the product purity or quality of ingredients.
That explains alot.
I think you are onto something. Makes a lot of sense.
Agreed
Nona39 There are videos from 2016 of people complaining about Devacurl, though.
Been waiting for your response Mell! So happy to tune in on a Sunday night to round out my weekend 🤗
Mell- thanks for taking your time and putting together a very informative and fun video. I really respect that you didn’t just throw a video out quickly - just to do it.
You added to the conversation in a helpful way! Thank you 😊 Good job!!
I'm a medical esthetician who is obsessed with product development and ingredients. Thank you! I've also suffered from hair loss after using Deva Curl for 6 years, but I was going out of my mind trying to explain these things to people in the comments of many videos. Yes, there is an issue. But it's not pH adjusters and other safe ingredients.
i've never clicked so fast and im almost finishing this video... we are blessed to have you in this community, this information is insanely great... thank you so much 💕
jose martin chilet - 🙌 also your profile pic is so cute, you’ve got the best smile!
Wow, so I've been standing under ice cold showers rinsing my conditioner out for no reason. Cool.. glad I can stop that ish now. I have curly hair and I dont have a clue. Ima binge this channel.. GREAT VIDEO learned more in this 1 video than I have in my entire life. No joke!!!
Sameeee girl same
I have to go on a whole new hair journey though. It sucks but I saw the effects of nature shampoos and going no poo but I never tried DevaCurl. I am so glad I'm learning from a youtuber that does their own research. 🙌🙌🙌
Mel is the best sage to journey with you on the magical curly hair road!
It's logical that heat (humidity) raises the cuticle making the hair swell and frizz, so what can reverse that? Cold air. It's also logical that scientists and trichologists knew this theory as well, but just sold the dream that it works the same way with a liquid (hot and cold water) as it does with a gas (hot and cold air) which is sadly incorrect. 😴👎😞
I mean...cold is good for the body so it wasn't a total loss haha
When I started going through Mel’s curly tutorials I kept rewinding until I broke down and started taking notes.
The best video ever about this issue. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us!
Loved this! I really appreciated your non-biased approach.
Just saw your IG story. We love your recommendations, tips and tricks Mel. Thank for doing what you are doing. You gave me a lot of answers throughout your videos. Consider me as a very thankful subscriber.
Mell!! Omg you did such an amazing job! As a cosmetic chemist i agree with everything you said. Very well researched and unbiased. ❤️
Not only are her curls poppin, her eyeshadow seems to have been blended by the gods 🙌🙌
Mel is a Queen
I have been waiting for your take on this issue. You are being very thorough and explain things SO well!!
I’ve only just started my natural hair transition and I’m so overwhelmed with all this info. You think your doing the right thing then NOPE CANT DO THAT. It’s so stressful it’s like I spend this money on one thing but I actually have to do something else or buy even more things. Not to mention I now how have to change what I’m doing all the time and apparently coconut oil isn’t good. Oh god. That’s my rant thanks
edit: thanks for all the replies guys I really appreciate it. I’ve been straightening my hair for the past 10 years and I’m only 2 months into my journey. I’m glad I was too poor to use devacurl 😂 I’ve been using Shea moisture but I will be trying something new next month (tropic isle living). One thing I don’t have is patience but I guess that’s something you have to learn on this journey 💞
I have the same rant. What the heck do I use? I thought oiling the hair was good. Maybe not? I have no idea how to take care of my hair now.
Coconut oil can be good when you are transitioning or when your hair has high porosity. I've been in my curly hair journey for more than a year now and my hair is now rejecting coconut oil. Hair changes. 🤷
Oh my. I feel you. I just passed my year 1 of the journey and I understand perfectly. If I can give you some piece of advice is to try everything that makes sense to you. Literally experiment what your hair likes weather it's silicones or oils or whatever your hair likes. I promise you will find your perfect routine but it takes time so enjoy the ride, see how your hair changes and adapts to this new life cause it's SOOOOOO WORTH IT! I promise it's worth every experiment, I finally found my routine and my curls are the best ever.
Arling Pastor honestly, being entangled with controversy like this will just make everything worse for you when you should be learning to love your hair. frankly, don’t worry on products. go to a store, look at products, and make a judgement based on what you think your hair might like. start off with literally a few products bc no one needs a million products to have nice hair. as much as videos like this are interesting, it helps no one with just trying to keep their hair healthy. you got this!
Arling Pastor I’ve been on my “curly hair journey” for maybe three years now. I started off with coconut oil and just using a crap ton of conditioner to style my hair. It didn’t look great but it didn’t look bad either so I thought I was getting it right. Then I did some more research and watched a ton of videos and found that there really is no right way to go about things. Everyone does something different. I follow the curly girl method very leniently. I try to keep all silicones, sulfates, parabens, out of my routine. But I still experiment and try to find things that my hair enjoys. It’s an on going process. I have some go to products that I use, but I don’t rely on them consistently. Just try to find what works for you. Test the different methods and products. And don’t feel defeated when things aren’t perfect. You’ll find something that works some days and other days it doesn’t. But if I’ve learned anything from this devacurl scandal, you cannot rely on a product to show the same results all the time. That’s a miracle product and if that existed, there would definitely be a monopoly in the industry, which there is not. Anyway, keep at it, it’ll all work out for you eventually. Don’t lose hope and good luck!
"If we remember way back WHEN... wen" 😂🤦🏽♀️
😂😂
Really insensitive
@@Palmundo91 How?
Many people lost their hair seriously by using the WEN products whether it was their fault or a fault of their method. The same thing is happening now with Deva curl. Any jokes on this matter are just insensitive in my opinion
@@Palmundo91 Comedy comes from tragedy as a sense of relief. If you didn't like the video you didn't have to watch 🤷🏽♀️
Mell - if there's no expiration date, what are the odds that they've sent out a batch that has gone bad from sitting too long in the warehouse? I would believe it isn't the product if all the damage wasn't recent. You don't see anything about anyone having these experiences 3,4,5 years ago. Everything seems to be from within the last 2 years, which is around the time the company changed hands, and within that time got new packaging.
AMAZING point
Hi Mell - Thank you for taking the time to educate! To be honest, I almost didn’t watch this because I’m sick of hearing about the Deva Curl problem. But it’s a Manes by Mell video and there is ALWAYS something to learn. And true to form, regardless of the product I use or even whether I have straight or curly hair, this video is chock-full of GREAT information for everyone. Thanks for sharing about build up, hair structure, hair damage, fuh (pH), ingredients, and the “fragrance” issue. I so appreciate the meat of your videos and this one is really one of the best!
Thanx for this video Mell, so informative 👌
Also I'm in love with your purple eyeshadow, looks so gorgeous on you 💜💎🙌
Really glad you made this video! Especially the fact that you’re looking into every factor as to why this is happening
This is perfect. Great explanation! Awesome delivery. Absolutely perfect. Thank you so much!!!❤
Thank you for giving us facts. It’s not just your opinion. I appreciated that you tested your products and you were transparent with your findings! Thank you for posting this!
Honestly I'm not doubting that some devacurl products have some serious issues and could be leading to damage, but I feel like a lot of the damage could be attributed to the curly girl method as well.
I didn't use any devacurl products and had the same issues that all of these devapeeps are experiencing. When I switched back to silicones and sulfates (and completely removed coconut oil) my curls started to come back and the hair loss stopped. It's even getting less dry.
Unfortunately when I would bring up the issues I was having in CGM groups I would be told that I was lying or "that's just how you know it's working". Nobody was willing to believe that CGM and coconut oil may not be right for everyone.
Same! I feel so much better. I thought I was the only one.
My hair hates coconut oil!!
It's a relief to hear someone else say that. I've been using silicones and sulfates all my life, without any hair damage. I started to get paranoid because of all that "you're gonna go bald if you keep using them" talk. My hair is still healthy and fine and curls are still here 👌🏼
I am a bit iffy on silicones still because it doesn't allow my hair to breathe but like you said, the CGM is not a one-size-fits-all. I'm really shocked you were accused of lying for simply saying what works for you.
@@dosman3458 i use water soluble silicones and do a once a month clarifying wash since one of my products has shea butter and so far I don't have any problems with buildup. But routines are really personal so I'm sure that there are plenty of great silicone free routines out there for people!
Mel at 23:20 or so when you read the excerpt from the site about no expiration date. It states that credit has no expiration not the products themselves. 💛 Also finding your channel is the best thing to happen in 2020 thus far and likely for the win!
Jen I came here to say that too
I came here to say the same thing! Great minds...
I was hoping someone would point this out! ❤
Haha, yes. Same thing I wanted to correct. I'd also like to point out that the main preservative, phenoxyethanol, is known to be not very effective against yeast and mold. I received two different shipments of products, one from an online retailer, and one as a replacement directly from DevaCurl, that smelled strongly of mildew. This was before any of this public outcry, but it immediately made me think that they were having distribution or storage issues where products were sitting around and the preservatives were no longer effective to keep the products safe for use.
Very informative. Thoroughly researched and well put out. Thank you Mel 🙏
This is the most informational video I’ve watched on Deva Curl. Good job!
I thought when people are talking about heat they mean products exposed to heat during distribution
It was
Yes, I think that is what they meant. This would leave the controversy out of Deva curl themselves as a product company and more about which distributor messes up their shipment.
@@CCaravasi it's still Deva Curls responsibility to track the supply chain conditions
Yes, and/or Curl Ninja noticed problems when she started going to hot yoga, so it maybe is either heat in storage and/or heat in styling or environment?
exactly. like the heat changed the product or had a chemical reaction to the plastics in the bottle
I’ve been waiting for you to break it down haha always comin through with the science 👌🏽 love your channel. Thanks for sharing all the great info
Loved this video! Thank you for taking the time to research all of this and for kindly sharing your knowledge with us! Correct me if I’m wrong but the statement about the expiration date that you read seems to be referring to the merchandise credits not the products themselves. I think they mean that if you receive a merchandise credit from deva curl that those credits don’t expire and you can use them whenever.
You’re amazing. Funny, smart, honest. Thank you- I am just beginning my curly journey and this was very helpful.
I had a bad reaction while using Deva Curl that us similar to the current complaints. However, I immediately stopped using the product and my hair is a lot better. You have really help me out with understanding my hair.
Dr. Wright
Its about time! I've been waiting for her opinion on the subject.
Thank you for an objective, exceedingly well researched and informative video. Super thorough. You’re awesome.
Love the video and have to agree with you! You are so good at breaking things down so I can understand my curly hair better. Thank you!
thank you for making this video! as a science gal, i love to see science used to investigate things like beauty, hair etc. i’m so glad I didn’t have hair loss, but the dandruff/scalp itch and frizz was a big issue. I always cleansed my hair when i noticed extra build up with a light sulfate shampoo (TJ tea tree shampoo) or apple cider vinegar rinse. My hair is healing now!
thaaank you soooo much for this video and for being hair for us !! ❤️
Thank you so much for all the information you provide! You really educate and help us understand how hair works. I love your videos! 👍🏼👍🏼
I was expecting a short, chill and classic youtube video. I got a long informative and creative youtube video. Well done you obviously did your research, thank you for this video
during puberty a year ago my hair turned curly, deva curl was the first thing i used. i've noticed my hair starting to fall out, my curl pattern has been destroyed, and my head was always itchy. i got a new serum that defines curls and makes your hair not frizzy. and after only a couple of days my hair has HUGE improvements. do NOT use devacurl
Deva Curl is now part of one of the largest houselhold product groups in the world, well known for using very cheap chemicals in their products as standard practice. The ingredients didn't change but the *grade of the ingredients* might have. On top of that, as someone who is white but has been using heavy products for type 4 hair exclusively for a very long time, including a co-wash, butters etc, my hair has healed and has never felt better, my scalp is not suffering dryness like it used to, and my hair loss has stopped. 0% inflammation. But I have never, ever, ever put Deva Curl on my head because I do not trust large corporations. That includes other brands, such as Shea Moisture, which we won't purchase again - especially now that the CEO stepped down.
Clare O'Reilly Oh so what products and brands do you use now?
@@crayton2004 I use As I am a lot, what I have left of Shea Moisture, some local organic brand and currently looking into more options... As for products I use As I Am cowash and the SM purple conditioner (my daughter's), SM BCO shampoo occasionally for cleansing with the Manuka deep treatment mask, As I Am double butter after every wash and this really nice Boucleme gel that seems to disappear in my hair without a trace.
I came across your channel yesterday and i love it. I love the way you do your videos, very funny and informative.
Thank you for your knowledge and research mell.. On a positive note your hair is poppiinnn today 😍👏🏻❤️
I’ve been waaiiiting for this!! Thank you🙌🏻
"merchandise credits" are store credit for returning an item, not the product itself. That's like saying that a gift card has no expiration date, not that the product has no expiration date.
This video is so thorough and the scientific explanations are easy to understand. Thank you! 🙏
Mell!!! you rocked this video! Amazing! You have outdone yourself.
You're one of my favorite hair care people im also a licensed cosmetologist.. I've been thrown out of cgm groups for putting my knowledge against their pretend knowledge. Keep educating!!
OMG, a curly girl scientist! Thank you for the information. This actually happened to with WEN a few years ago but only with once product. I started using regular shampoo and conditioner and my hair started looking better. It seems like I had serious build-up so now I know better with any product but you gave me even more important information!
Wen was terrible for me too!
Thank you very much, indeed. You are finally one of the youtubers talking about hair in a professional but fun way. I'm so sick of those self proclaimed "(fill the blank with your topic) GURUS" and all I want is a opinion of someone who is actually specialized. And the way you explain all of your videos I don't get the feel of being nearly drowned in over excitement and afilliate blabla. Thank you for helping the viewers to get a bit more educated.
Fantastic video! You are so funny yet so informative! I just love your content so much! Great job Mell! ❤
Even though I haven't used deva curl this was very informative, thank you!
❤ I think you hit the nail on the head!! This makes so much sense!! Very well put together and so informative 👏🏽
Thanks for being so thorough on this topic! So many people are just adding fuel to the fire without critical thinking. I appreciate that you bring knowledge/education and multiple considerations to a complicated topic.
Even though I wasn’t using devacurl products religiously this video, (and your channel) has such valuable information. All these years of me being on my natural hair journey and it never really getting any better/healthier have been so frustrating. I’m so glad I found your channel. Thank you for spreading good information ❤️
My hair has literally been doing almost all of the above without me even using deva curl... thank you for making this video, I wish so much I could come to your salon! My hair needs you! Lol
Mel, can you please do a video on “Flash Drying”? This has been a recent problem for me with a lot of my products. I think if a product has aloe vera it is causing the “Flash Drying”, but I am not positive. Thank you for your videos!
I came for the tea but honestly I will be referring back to this video so often because you truly laid down so much knowledge about curly hair in general. Thank you so much for making this! It looks like it took a LOT of work
I've just recently found your channel. I have enjoyed your content and humor. Thanks so much!
So much good info. Thanks a lot
- our hair needs different needs every day
- hormones affect our hair
- build up can cause damage to the hair and dandruff
- lack of vitamins (iron or such) can cause hair loss
- some of Deva Curls ingredients may have to be avoided by pregnant women
- too much moisturizer can cause damage too, like hydr fatigue 😬
- test the products yourself with a PH tester
I believe her. I never used Deva curl and I had all sorts of products because some frickin RUclipsrs swore silicones and Sulfates were the problem. It was a lie! Now I'm on to a different hair journey.
PS I never will use DevaCurl because I don't believe in the no poo cult anymore. Thanks for a fantastic video 🌞🌞😑
I was under the pretense that Sulfates were damaging my hair and yet the dermatologists came out too late (in my experience) to tell me why that was a BAD idea. I need some good recommendations on how to deal with the damage now. I think I could undo it. Sigh 😑
@Tiffany Alvord
Also I think Sulfates are not able to damage the hair since curly hair people usually know they shouldn't wash it every day. Screw the natur way, it only damages my scalp 😒
I ALWAYS use sulfate shampoo. Of course it dries my hair out but that's why I load my hair with nourishing conditioners and leave ins afterwards. Never understood no-poo and co-washing.
I normally use shampoo with no sulfates one wash day and then the next wash one with sulfates to remove build up and that seems to work for me
@@tiffanyalvord4757 that's why u use a clarifying mask or ACV wash
Well said, Mell. My hair at the moment is fine. Like you, I don’t use DevaCurl religiously. I use only the products that I like... but I alternate them with other products. I think alternating what you use is incredibly helpful. I make sure to clarify my hair every so often and not wash my hair everyday.
I really thought I was my own curl expert. I just learned SO MUCH from this vid and will definitely be adjusting my hair routine. Thank you 😩😩
This video helped me figure out what was wrong with my hair regiment! I’ve only been using DevaCurl products w/the Curly Girl Method since December. My hair was GREAT, until this last month. It started getting frizzy, my scalp started itching, I developed BAD dandruff, I had a lot of hair fallout, my curls started getting crunchy, I lost my shine and the curls I had were becoming stringy!
I was so upset I started watching as many RUclips vids I could. Watching this vid triggered an AHA! moment for me when you started talking about protein. After watching this vid I watched your protein vs moisture vid as well as you and your sisters fav amazon purchases. I took the dive, bought the Undo Goo by Malibu C, cleansed my hair twice and omg I got my curls back! I hadn’t been cleansing my hair and I just had a protein overload w/all the products I’d been using. I’ve only been doing No Poo for so long my hair needed a cleanse. It felt like a pound of weight was lifted after my first wash. I could feel my curls bouncing after that wash for the first time in weeks.
Idk if that’s even what some of the other curlies out there have been experiencing. But I am DEF not a believer in the Curly Girl Method at least. All my DevaCurl products work fabulously. I still love all of them personally. I just need to shampoo and cleanse more now ☺️